just watched gangstar no. 1

[misteranderson4]

and paul bettany should be the only choice for the joker hands down. its sad he s out of the running now....supposedly

[explode7]

AWW man not this ***** again.

[L0ngsh0t]

Gangster No. 1 is "ok" and Paul Bettany would be a cool Joker...but one and only choice? no, Hulme, and Law are just as good

[Katsuro]

I would jump for joy if Paul Bettany got the role. I really dont wanna see a known actor in the role (Law, Weaving), but I also find it hard to get behind a complete unknown (Hulme). I find Bettany to be a good middle-ground. Most people dont know who he is, but i've seen enough of him to think he'd be a good candidate. I'm also a huge fan of Weaving, and while I think he'd make an awesome Joker, i'm a little afraid that I might not be able to shake the image of him as Smith. Smith was such an awesome character that stuck in my mind, that it might be hard to accept him as the definitive Joker. Although, on the other hand it would give him the rare distincation of playing 2 of my favorite villains of all time. How cool would that be?

[Asr]

I would jump for joy if Paul Bettany got the role. I really dont wanna see a known actor in the role (Law, Weaving), but I also find it hard to get behind a complete unknown (Hulme). I find Bettany to be a good middle-ground. Most people dont know who he is, but i've seen enough of him to think he'd be a good candidate. I'm also a huge fan of Weaving, and while I think he'd make an awesome Joker, i'm a little afraid that I might not be able to shake the image of him as Smith. Smith was such an awesome character that stuck in my mind, that it might be hard to accept him as the definitive Joker. Although, on the other hand it would give him the rare distincation of playing 2 of my favorite villains of all time. How cool would that be?

So did you see Weaving as Smith when you watched the LotR movies too? :p

[Keyser Sushi]

I obviously think that Paul Bettany would PWN as the Joker, but before his name came up, I was a big supporter of Jude Law for the role. I think that Jude Law would do a fine job, and I'll take him for Joker any day if it isn't going to be Bettany.

But Bettany would seriously PWN.

[StorminNorman]

I am very sad about the recent news I have read from BOF (I have been gone and out of the Bat-loop since Tuesday) and Gangster No. 1 is one of the reasons why I am sad. The performance Bettany gave in Gagnster No.1 was MY personal opinion of how the Joker should be played - just sans humor. He finds joy in killing, he is willing to do anything to pleasure himself, he has no alliances. That is the Joker - if he is not cast for the role, it will simply be a shame. IMO Bettany is a much better actor than either Hulme or Jude Law, I would not be upset with Rockwell nor Hugo Weaving - but they are no Paul Bettany.

[L0ngsh0t]

mmm i disagree with you on most of the fronts you have put up except for the fact that bettany in gangster no.1 should be an example of what the joker should bring to the table

Bettany isn't better then Law as an actor, you've seen one movie from him, that's why you want him for the role i get it, but Law has been in talented mr. ripley, i heart huckabees, enemy at the gates, he was fantastic in closer, cold mountian, road to perdition, aviator, and has been a lead actor in most of those fine films, they wouldn't cast him in such stout films as those is he wasn't a good actor

Paul bettany has been in some ok movies, but mainly bit/supporting characters in them

now i could give Bettany the benifit of the doubt because he is british and it is tought for british actors generally to break the fold into american film...but Jude Law is british, they where both born about the same area of england (so law wasn't just some brit born in america) and Jude Law is younger too, and bettany has been acting longer, so if Bettany was the better actor, and they are from the same part of town across the sea, are both british, and are both considered good looking, then how come jude law has been a lead actor in so many fine acclaimed movies? because he is simpley a better actor

yeah bettany is good, not to his discredit, but jude law is just better, Huckabees he rules, closer he rules, road to perdition dynamite, he is a very diverse actor, who can do very diverse roles, and can be a fantastic joker

[Keyser Sushi]

mmm i disagree with you on most of the fronts you have put up except for the fact that bettany in gangster no.1 should be an example of what the joker should bring to the table

Bettany isn't better then Law as an actor, you've seen one movie from him, that's why you want him for the role i get it, but Law has been in talented mr. ripley, i heart huckabees, enemy at the gates, he was fantastic in closer, cold mountian, road to perdition, aviator, and has been a lead actor in most of those fine films, they wouldn't cast him in such stout films as those is he wasn't a good actor

Paul bettany has been in some ok movies, but mainly bit/supporting characters in them

now i could give Bettany the benifit of the doubt because he is british and it is tought for british actors generally to break the fold into american film...but Jude Law is british, they where both born about the same area of england (so law wasn't just some brit born in america) and Jude Law is younger too, and bettany has been acting longer, so if Bettany was the better actor, and they are from the same part of town across the sea, are both british, and are both considered good looking, then how come jude law has been a lead actor in so many fine acclaimed movies? because he is simpley a better actor

yeah bettany is good, not to his discredit, but jude law is just better, Huckabees he rules, closer he rules, road to perdition dynamite, he is a very diverse actor, who can do very diverse roles, and can be a fantastic joker

That sure is a long way to say nothing at all.

[StorminNorman]

Bettany isn't better then Law as an actor, you've seen one movie from him, that's why you want him for the role i get it, but Law has been in talented mr. ripley, i heart huckabees, enemy at the gates, he was fantastic in closer, cold mountian, road to perdition, aviator, and has been a lead actor in most of those fine films, they wouldn't cast him in such stout films as those is he wasn't a good actor

Dont make accusations without knowing the facts, sir. I have seen Bettany in many films, Firewall, Ganster No. 1, Wimbledon, Dogville. I am impressed with him more and more, I knew nothing about Mr. Bettany before his name was mentioned for the Joker role, now he is one of my favorite actors ever - infact just behind Michael Caine. I have seen Law been good in a few movies - however...less than good in others.

Paul bettany has been in some ok movies, but mainly bit/supporting characters in them

He was the main character in Wimbledon and Gangster No. 1 and he was great in both of them. It does not matter the size of the role, he always does a fantastic job - he is one of the top young actors (along with Bale) in Hollywood right now.

now i could give Bettany the benifit of the doubt because he is british and it is tought for british actors generally to break the fold into american film...but Jude Law is british, they where both born about the same area of england (so law wasn't just some brit born in america) and Jude Law is younger too, and bettany has been acting longer, so if Bettany was the better actor, and they are from the same part of town across the sea, are both british, and are both considered good looking, then how come jude law has been a lead actor in so many fine acclaimed movies? because he is simpley a better actor

Jude Law is a "sexier actor" - and I dont say that because of looks. He has done more blockbuster films while Bettany has gone for some lesser known works. Bettany passed on the role of the villian in Red Dragon in exchange for a lesser known film. Law is not necessarily in more critically acclaimed films, simply more known films. Riddle me this, who is the better actor, Ben Affleck or Hugo Weaving? Who is better known?

yeah bettany is good, not to his discredit, but jude law is just better, Huckabees he rules, closer he rules, road to perdition dynamite, he is a very diverse actor, who can do very diverse roles, and can be a fantastic joker

I simply disagree, Bettany's portfolio is one of the most diverse filmography's I have seen.

[L0ngsh0t]

i disagree

it's a long way of saying that jude law is a better actor then paul bettany, that's what that is..

[StorminNorman]

Well, what can I say. I am Bettany's Number One Guy.

[L0ngsh0t]

Dont make accusations without knowing the facts, sir. I have seen Bettany in many films, Firewall, Ganster No. 1, Wimbledon, Dogville. I am impressed with him more and more, I knew nothing about Mr. Bettany before his name was mentioned for the Joker role, now he is one of my favorite actors ever - infact just behind Michael Caine. I have seen Law been good in a few movies - however...less than good in others.



He was the main character in Wimbledon and Gangster No. 1 and he was great in both of them. It does not matter the size of the role, he always does a fantastic job - he is one of the top young actors (along with Bale) in Hollywood right now.



Jude Law is a "sexier actor" - and I dont say that because of looks. He has done more blockbuster films while Bettany has gone for some lesser known works. Bettany passed on the role of the villian in Red Dragon in exchange for a lesser known film. Law is not necessarily in more critically acclaimed films, simply more known films. Riddle me this, who is the better actor, Ben Affleck or Hugo Weaving? Who is better known?



I simply disagree, Bettany's portfolio is one of the most diverse filmography's I have seen.


you couldn't be more wrong on a tone of fronts...

for one, firewall was not very good, bettany was ok in it, same with gangster no. 1, wimbeldon was terrible, didn't see dogville, i was more speaking to the Master and commander stuff that he did, where he was just a bit/supporting role in a tone of movie that needed british actors...and is ok in it..

Jude law is younger then paul bettany is, and that is a written in number fact, so what ever you say about bettany being an up and coming actor, jude law is younger, and isn't up and coming, he is already established as a fine actor

see but passing on the villan in red dragon, that still isn't a lead role, Bettany has lead in very few big time, good movies, where as jude law has lead in tones, and done magnificently in them

what is the better movie Edward nigma? Enemy at the gates, or wimbledon? I heart huckabees, or firewall? jude law is in the aviator, the talented mr. riply...i already went through the list, but these aren't just your run of the mill summer blockbusters he is doing, he is making, and starring in highley regarded films

jude law is just simply better...

in hollywood you don't "choose" to make lesser known flicks until you are to big where you have to to keep street cred...you make lesser known flicks because that is what hollywood thinks of you, and you try to do a preformence that lifts you over the top into the big time

jude law did it in 99 with Mr. Riply, and Bettany hasn't really done it yet althoughhe is in Da Vinci code though, which is going to be tight as hell,

and again, i don't hate bettany, i like him, he does good in the movies he is in, and i think he would be a fine joker, maybe better then law...but he is not a better actor at this point in both of there careers, he's just not

[Keyser Sushi]

i disagree

it's a long way of saying that jude law is a better actor then paul bettany, that's what that is..

Not really.

See, you said a lot of reasons why you think Jude Law is better than Bettany, but none of what you said proves a damn thing.

Bettany hasn't had as many starring roles as Jude Law.

Big hairy deal.

[StorminNorman]

you couldn't be more wrong on a tone of fronts...

for one, firewall was not very good, bettany was ok in it, same with gangster no. 1, wimbeldon was terrible, didn't see dogville, i was more speaking to the Master and commander stuff that he did, where he was just a bit/supporting role in a tone of movie that needed british actors...and is ok in it..

I enjoyed Firewall - it was not a fantastic movie though Bettany did do a great job in it. He was absoultly creepy when he dealt with the kid. Gangster No. 1 was a great movie, and Bettany was unbelievable in it. Wimbledon was very enjoyable and one of my favorite Romantic Comedies. Bettany showed his range in that role and did a great job - compare it to Gangster No. 1 and you see the guy has talent.

Jude law is younger then paul bettany is, and that is a written in number fact, so what ever you say about bettany being an up and coming actor, jude law is younger, and isn't up and coming, he is already established as a fine actor
Jude Law is an established actor yes, however age means nothing. Dakota Fanning is an established actor - and she is what 6?

see but passing on the villan in red dragon, that still isn't a lead role, Bettany has lead in very few big time, good movies, where as jude law has lead in tones, and done magnificently in them
For one it is TONS not TONES! The number of lead roles is not that important - look at Christian Bale.

what is the better movie Edward nigma? Enemy at the gates, or wimbledon? I heart huckabees, or firewall? jude law is in the aviator, the talented mr. riply...i already went through the list, but these aren't just your run of the mill summer blockbusters he is doing, he is making, and starring in highley regarded films

You can not compare the quality of an actor to another can by comparing movies between the two - there are to many variables. Only a fool would try.

jude law is just simply better...
Wow, so insitefull.

in hollywood you don't "choose" to make lesser known flicks until you are to big where you have to to keep street cred...you make lesser known flicks because that is what hollywood thinks of you, and you try to do a preformence that lifts you over the top into the big time
You dont? Seemed like Bettany did.

and again, i don't hate bettany, i like him, he does good in the movies he is in, and i think he would be a fine joker, maybe better then law...but he is not a better actor at this point in both of there careers, he's just not

Again, I disagree.

[wikum]

stormin i thought we would never see u again after recent BOF news:eek:

i also want bettany to be the joker, maybe not as desperatly as you, but he is definitely the best guy for the job.

i hope there is some kind of U turn. although jett has stated the source is very reliable.

i would say that if either of hulme's films are a hit, then he is a lock for the joker.

[L0ngsh0t]

yeah you don't choose to be in lesser known movies, you are in lesser known movies, Bettany wouldn't turn down the joker would he? no, because only a fool would, Red Dragon wouldn't of helped his career because it is another creepy british guy he would have played...

paul giamatti is one of the finest actors on the planet but he had to suffer for years on films like big mommas house and paycheck till he finally broke loose with sideways...you don't choose your roles in hollywood, hollywood chooses you

and i'm not comparing movies that they where in, i am comparing performances...Jude Law is down right brilliant in Closer, and Huckabees, and has given some top notch performances in stuff like Ripley. Aviator, Enemy at the Gates, and the list goes on...the list goes on...bettany's doesnt, it goes like 4 movies deep, and he has only lead in a few

now you say look at the range between two movies that bettany did to show his range....look at the range jude law did in One movie...one movie...I heart huckabees he goes from brad stand your everyday ho hum corperate exec. who loves haveing a good time and does everything he can to get to the top, and loves his life....in the end of the movie, his whole life goes to ****, he is found to be a fake, his grilfriend leaves him, and he comes to grips with reality...to totally different characters in 1 movie

firewall bettany does a good job of being creepy, sure, ok....Closer, jude law plays this obssessive adulteror, who cheats on his grilfriend when ever he can, he is addicted to it, but can't let his girl go anywhere with out him, and can't let her leave, he sees this other girl on the side and ruins her marrage to, but stalks her for weeks because he can't get enough of her...he plays sad and creepy all most flawlessly in this pic

just here...take a course somewhere on how to critque acting, and then watch jude law, and then you will see what you are missing, i can say all i want but untill you know what you are doing i can't expect you to see behind the Manips, and Fan art, and how "insane" bettany is, because the one thing bettany lacks in that movie that makes the role only "ok" is he dosen't know, he dosen't listen, he dosen't take in what his screen partners are saying, he knows what they are saying, but it dosen't affect him, his reaction shots are terrible, and im rambling about stuff most of you probobly don't care because you don't know..whatever...your fans, i can't blame you

[StorminNorman]

stormin i thought we would never see u again after recent BOF news:eek:

i also want bettany to be the joker, maybe not as desperatly as you, but he is definitely the best guy for the job.

i hope there is some kind of U turn. although jett has stated the source is very reliable.

i would say that if either of hulme's films are a hit, then he is a lock for the joker.

I love the fact I have gained such a reputation, it is an honor mate, an honor. I love my title as Bettany's Number One Guy.

To this new bit of BOF news I simply jam my fingers in my ears and say "I CANT HEAR YOU" very loudly, it works.

[L0ngsh0t]

StorminNorman, i would just like to say i am sorry for dissing your choice in actor for the joker, it's just childish for ether of us to continue this debate because i am not going to convine you on Law, and your not going to convince me on(at least the acting part of bettany, i stil think he would be a ok joker)
i have no reason to be *****ing about it because my actor at least made the BOF report, your didn't i feel ya, my guys(any of them; please not schreiber lol) probobly won't get Two-face...it happens

[StorminNorman]

yeah you don't choose to be in lesser known movies, you are in lesser known movies, Bettany wouldn't turn down the joker would he? no, because only a fool would, Red Dragon wouldn't of helped his career because it is another creepy british guy he would have played...
Or maybe he enjoyed the skript more of another movie that wasnt as well known or highly paid.

paul giamatti is one of the finest actors on the planet but he had to suffer for years on films like big mommas house and paycheck till he finally broke loose with sideways...you don't choose your roles in hollywood, hollywood chooses you
So? That was one man's decision, not all Hollywood actors agree. The fact is that Bettany turned down a bigger profile, higher paying role in exchange for a smaller movie (Dogville).

and i'm not comparing movies that they where in, i am comparing performances...Jude Law is down right brilliant in Closer, and Huckabees, and has given some top notch performances in stuff like Ripley. Aviator, Enemy at the Gates, and the list goes on...the list goes on...bettany's doesnt, it goes like 4 movies deep, and he has only lead in a few

Gangster No. 1, Beautiful Mind, Master and Commander, Wimbledon, Dogville, Firewall, A Knights Tale - those were all good performances.

now you say look at the range between two movies that bettany did to show his range....look at the range jude law did in One movie...one movie...I heart huckabees he goes from brad stand your everyday ho hum corperate exec. who loves haveing a good time and does everything he can to get to the top, and loves his life....in the end of the movie, his whole life goes to ****, he is found to be a fake, his grilfriend leaves him, and he comes to grips with reality...to totally different characters in 1 movie
I think going from complete lunitic psyco from Gangster No. 1 to charming tennis playing, hero in Wimbledon is great range.

firewall bettany does a good job of being creepy, sure, ok....Closer, jude law plays this obssessive adulteror, who cheats on his grilfriend when ever he can, he is addicted to it, but can't let his girl go anywhere with out him, and can't let her leave, he sees this other girl on the side and ruins her marrage to, but stalks her for weeks because he can't get enough of her...he plays sad and creepy all most flawlessly in this pic
I have not seen the flick, so I can not make a valid comment on this.

just here...take a course somewhere on how to critque acting, and then watch jude law, and then you will see what you are missing, i can say all i want but untill you know what you are doing i can't expect you to see behind the Manips, and Fan art, and how "insane" bettany is, because the one thing bettany lacks in that movie that makes the role only "ok" is he dosen't know, he dosen't listen, he dosen't take in what his screen partners are saying, he knows what they are saying, but it dosen't affect him, his reaction shots are terrible, and im rambling about stuff most of you probobly don't care because you don't know..whatever...your fans, i can't blame you

His character was the one that didnt listen, wasnt effected, didnt have great reaction - he was suppose to play an inhuman monster who had no feelings, had no care about anybody outside of himself. He was a disgusting character that Bettany played so well that I even hated him while watching the movie - me with all my bias FOR Paul Bettany found myself hating the guy because of his performance as Young Gangster, that shows great talent.

[StorminNorman]

StorminNorman, i would just like to say i am sorry for dissing your choice in actor for the joker, it's just childish for ether of us to continue this debate because i am not going to convine you on Law, and your not going to convince me on(at least the acting part of bettany, i stil think he would be a ok joker)
i have no reason to be *****ing about it because my actor at least made the BOF report, your didn't i feel ya, my guys(any of them; please not schreiber lol) probobly won't get Two-face...it happens

lol, for one learn the English language and two - how much more childish can you get than that line right there?

[cerealkiller182]

I Hate Jude Law!! He Sux!!!!

[Keyser Sushi]

StorminNorman, i would just like to say i am sorry for dissing your choice in actor for the joker, it's just childish for ether of us to continue this debate because i am not going to convine you on Law, and your not going to convince me on(at least the acting part of bettany, i stil think he would be a ok joker)
i have no reason to be *****ing about it because my actor at least made the BOF report, your didn't i feel ya, my guys(any of them; please not schreiber lol) probobly won't get Two-face...it happens

Ah, L0ngsh0t... you totally ignored my response to you? Why couldn't you handle being charged with having said nothing?

Nobody's trying to convince you to see things our way, we're just pointing out that what you've said his little or no merit.

[Katsuro]

So did you see Weaving as Smith when you watched the LotR movies too? :p

To be honest, I kinda did. Especially when he was talking about the era of Humans being over or something (been a while since I watched them), and basically dissing humans. Part of me expected to see him pull out sunglasses and a Desert Eagle.

But still, I wouldn't complain if Weaving got the role. He's a great actor, and as long as he absorbs himself into the role and really BECOMES the Joker, i'll probably love it. the only other problem I would have is that it rules out him as Sinestro in a Green Lantern movie. He would own that role.

[Maxwell Smart]

L0ngsh0t may I introduce you to our good friend, "logic"? :o

What a maroon.

[L0ngsh0t]

Ah, L0ngsh0t... you totally ignored my response to you? Why couldn't you handle being charged with having said nothing?

Nobody's trying to convince you to see things our way, we're just pointing out that what you've said his little or no merit.


because i didn't just say nothing, i said that jude law is a great actor better then the good paul bettany, that is what i said

it dosen't have merit to you because your blind to bettany, i'm not blind to law, even though i think he is fantastic, i can see bettany, i can see hulme....

Jude Law is one of the finest actors around, and because you guys are addicted to Paul Bettany you are blind to see it, your mezmirised, but he isn't getting the role anyways so i am going to stop arguing and do you all a favor because i am sure your all sick of me, it was my fault to enter this thread, with the thread not being called Law or Bettany, but a straight outright bettany thread...it's my fault i asked for it, i will leave

good day...Bettany is good, Law is better

[Keyser Sushi]

because i didn't just say nothing, i said that jude law is a great actor better then the good paul bettany, that is what i said

That is what you said, which is fine, except that you didn't give any actual evidence to back this up. It's like if I said that the Blue Jays are a better team than the Orioles because they beat the Orioles tonight, not taking into account the fact that the Orioles have a bunch of their best players hurt right now, and therefore, not in the game. Comparing Bettany's popularity status to Law's proves exactly nothing about his abilities as an actor.

it dosen't have merit to you because your blind to bettany, i'm not blind to law, even though i think he is fantastic, i can see bettany, i can see hulme....

Well guess what? I like Jude Law. Jude Law was my first choice for Joker before Bettany's name entered the fray. I thought that Law was too big a name for the role, considering it wasn't going to be a starring role and that Nolan might go with an unknown. I actually felt that Bettany had a better chance of getting the part than Law did.

Now, obviously, I am not so sure. I love Jude Law, but no way can you say that Bettany's not as good as he is. Bettany's career just isn't at the same place yet.

Jude Law is one of the finest actors around, and because you guys are addicted to Paul Bettany you are blind to see it, your mezmirised, but he isn't getting the role anyways so i am going to stop arguing and do you all a favor because i am sure your all sick of me, it was my fault to enter this thread, with the thread not being called Law or Bettany, but a straight outright bettany thread...it's my fault i asked for it, i will leave

I can't speak for the others, but I enjoy debate. I'm not trying to run you out of here. I was trying to say that you have offered no useful evidence to support your theory that Law is a better actor than Bettany.

good day...Bettany is good, Law is better

You're welcome to think it, but I don't think you can prove it.

[StorminNorman]

because i didn't just say nothing, i said that jude law is a great actor better then the good paul bettany, that is what i said

it dosen't have merit to you because your blind to bettany, i'm not blind to law, even though i think he is fantastic, i can see bettany, i can see hulme....

Jude Law is one of the finest actors around, and because you guys are addicted to Paul Bettany you are blind to see it, your mezmirised, but he isn't getting the role anyways so i am going to stop arguing and do you all a favor because i am sure your all sick of me, it was my fault to enter this thread, with the thread not being called Law or Bettany, but a straight outright bettany thread...it's my fault i asked for it, i will leave

good day...Bettany is good, Law is better

Get it right sir, I (and only I) am addicted to Paul Bettany, no one else on this forum is.

[Katsuro]

I really think Jude Law is overrated, and would be really pleased if he ended up with having nothing to do with this movie. I dont think he's right for either Joker or Dent. He's too well-known, and I have doubts he could hide his accent well enough (as we all know Bettany can).

[L0ngsh0t]

Get it right sir, I (and only I) am addicted to Paul Bettany, no one else on this forum is.


you've exhausted me to concedness and apathy about this subject, good sir, job well done, i still want Law but i could care less if anyone else does at this point...job well done, i tip my hat in pur respect

[StorminNorman]

you've exhausted me to concedness and apathy about this subject, good sir, job well done, i still want Law but i could care less if anyone else does at this point...job well done, i tip my hat in pur respect

I win, I win:up: :D

[L0ngsh0t]

congrats

[mcflytrap]

Paul bettany has been in some ok movies, but mainly bit/supporting characters in them


You might want to be sure about that.

Btw, there is a big difference between a bit part and a supporting part....a supporting part can be quite a large role (like in Master and Commander). Also, you might want to check out Bettany's filmography just to see how way off you are.

[mcflytrap]

you couldn't be more wrong on a tone of fronts...

for one, firewall was not very good, bettany was ok in it, same with gangster no. 1, wimbeldon was terrible, didn't see dogville, i was more speaking to the Master and commander stuff that he did, where he was just a bit/supporting role in a tone of movie that needed british actors...and is ok in it..

Jude law is younger then paul bettany is, and that is a written in number fact, so what ever you say about bettany being an up and coming actor, jude law is younger, and isn't up and coming, he is already established as a fine actor

see but passing on the villan in red dragon, that still isn't a lead role, Bettany has lead in very few big time, good movies, where as jude law has lead in tones, and done magnificently in them

what is the better movie Edward nigma? Enemy at the gates, or wimbledon? I heart huckabees, or firewall? jude law is in the aviator, the talented mr. riply...i already went through the list, but these aren't just your run of the mill summer blockbusters he is doing, he is making, and starring in highley regarded films

jude law is just simply better...

in hollywood you don't "choose" to make lesser known flicks until you are to big where you have to to keep street cred...you make lesser known flicks because that is what hollywood thinks of you, and you try to do a preformence that lifts you over the top into the big time

jude law did it in 99 with Mr. Riply, and Bettany hasn't really done it yet althoughhe is in Da Vinci code though, which is going to be tight as hell,

and again, i don't hate bettany, i like him, he does good in the movies he is in, and i think he would be a fine joker, maybe better then law...but he is not a better actor at this point in both of there careers, he's just not

Good god, you have the rationality and reasoning of a 12 year old.

[mcflytrap]

paul giamatti is one of the finest actors on the planet but he had to suffer for years on films like big mommas house and paycheck till he finally broke loose with sideways...you don't choose your roles in hollywood, hollywood chooses you


That's it. You are now a complete imbecile. Paul Giamatti was a well respected actor YEARS before SIDEWAYS you dumb ****. God you must be STUPID STUPID STUPID. What movie is that from you stupid *******?

[kytrigger]

That's it. You are now a complete imbecile. Paul Giamatti was a well respected actor YEARS before SIDEWAYS you dumb ****. God you must be STUPID STUPID STUPID. What movie is that from you stupid *******?

*rapidly waves hand in air* OOH OOH PICK ME! PICK ME! I know what movie it's from!!!!

[L0ngsh0t]

That's it. You are now a complete imbecile. Paul Giamatti was a well respected actor YEARS before SIDEWAYS you dumb ****. God you must be STUPID STUPID STUPID. What movie is that from you stupid *******?



if paul giamatti was respect years before sideways how come he has a stretch of movies like planet of the apes, big fat liar(he sure was an oscar candidate their) big mommas house and pay check in the early 2000's....every takes their licks, and he is no different...if he where respected more back then he wouldn't of had to settle for the dopey sidekick in stupid martian lawrence ben affleck vehicles and a doomed from the start remake......it was Sideways basically that drew him national attention, and now he is a viable leading man candidate....

it feels good to rebutle and not look like an idiot by name calling, and using curse words

[kytrigger]

if paul giamatti was respect years before sideways how come he has a stretch of movies like planet of the apes, big fat liar(he sure was an oscar candidate their) big mommas house and pay check in the early 2000's....every takes their licks, and he is no different...if he where respected more back then he wouldn't of had to settle for the dopey sidekick in stupid martian lawrence ben affleck vehicles and a doomed from the start remake......it was Sideways basically that drew him national attention, and now he is a viable leading man candidate....

it feels good to rebutle and not look like an idiot by name calling, and using curse words

While you have a point with Big Momma's House and Big Fat Liar, I wouldn't call Planet of the Apes and Paycheck as flops doomed from the start. Planet of the Apes was a major picture directed by Tim Burton and starred other great actors like Tim Roth, I find nothing wrong with taking a job for that movie. Paycheck is kind of like that, only a little worse in every way. Whether he was notable or not, I could still picture him doing both of those movies.

[L0ngsh0t]

i can hear that argument, but both movies where still less then par, not to his discredit though, so lets end the giamatti disscussion(for this is a batman movie forum) on the notion that we both kind of agree with the other person on the issue...

and we will continue it is Batman 3 when giamatti is up for the penguin!!!!!!!!!! i would dig it

[wikum]

the main penguin from march of the penguins for penguin.

[StorminNorman]

the main penguin from march of the penguins for penguin.

Brilliant :up:
He was soooo good! To bad I think he played a penguin in Batman Returns, so he is ineligable :(

[Ronny Shade]

Am I the only one that thinks Jude Law was pretty bad in I Heart Huckabees?

Don't get me wrong I love the guy, but he just didn't impress me in that film.

[BATFREDDIE]

Wait a minute, Paul Bettany's in a movie called Gangstar no. 1?
Is it a porno?

[Ronny Shade]

har.

[L0ngsh0t]

Am I the only one that thinks Jude Law was pretty bad in I Heart Huckabees?

Don't get me wrong I love the guy, but he just didn't impress me in that film.


i thought law was fantastic in huckabees

...the lady hates chicken salad

[mcflytrap]

While you have a point with Big Momma's House and Big Fat Liar, I wouldn't call Planet of the Apes and Paycheck as flops doomed from the start. Planet of the Apes was a major picture directed by Tim Burton and starred other great actors like Tim Roth, I find nothing wrong with taking a job for that movie. Paycheck is kind of like that, only a little worse in every way. Whether he was notable or not, I could still picture him doing both of those movies.

Longshot needs to look at Giamatti's filmography. I won't speak directly to Longshot because he's an idiot.

[kytrigger]

I actually just finished watchign Gangster No. 1 for the first time right now. Before I saw it, Bettany was my top pick for Joker, now he still is. I really hope he gets a chance to audition for it.

[mcflytrap]

*rapidly waves hand in air* OOH OOH PICK ME! PICK ME! I know what movie it's from!!!!

Do you? Let's hear it!

[bdsproductions]

bettany Damnit!

but Still,bettany Or Hulme Either Way There Is No Way In Hell You Can Go Wrong With Those Two,especially Bettany.hey,why Am I Ytpeing In All Caps And Full Size? Oh Well!.

[Ronny Shade]

lol@ bdsp

[bdsproductions]

thank you,thanks you,.

[Keyser Sushi]

thank you,thanks you,.

I think he was laughing because it wasn't all caps. Foiled again, eh?

[kytrigger]

Do you? Let's hear it!

Is it from The Rainmaker?

[L0ngsh0t]

I really think Jude Law is overrated, and would be really pleased if he ended up with having nothing to do with this movie. I dont think he's right for either Joker or Dent. He's too well-known, and I have doubts he could hide his accent well enough (as we all know Bettany can).


ooo the tables have turned again...

for those of you who tell me to check my facts on the Paul Bettany movie(which i did and i stand by what i said) you should check your facts on Jude Law movies...one in perticular...I heart Huckabees....and tell me if you note an thing that resembles a British accent...because there isn't, he has a straight up, ohio bread american accent, it sounds nothing like normal Law, also in road to perdition he dosen't have a british accent, and also the aviator i think, though it's been awhile, i might be wrong about that one

there is nothing dissing paul bettany in this post, or even saying law should be the joker...just if your gunna give me **** for not checking the facts, i suggest you do the same

[StorminNorman]

L0ngsh0t - Katsurowas simply giving his opinion of Jude Law, he was not giving facts.

[bdsproductions]

I think he was laughing because it wasn't all caps. Foiled again, eh?



*grumbles in a Reno-ish manner* i meant the big text........consarn it...LOL.

[Katsuro]

ooo the tables have turned again...

for those of you who tell me to check my facts on the Paul Bettany movie(which i did and i stand by what i said) you should check your facts on Jude Law movies...one in perticular...I heart Huckabees....and tell me if you note an thing that resembles a British accent...because there isn't, he has a straight up, ohio bread american accent, it sounds nothing like normal Law, also in road to perdition he dosen't have a british accent, and also the aviator i think, though it's been awhile, i might be wrong about that one

there is nothing dissing paul bettany in this post, or even saying law should be the joker...just if your gunna give me **** for not checking the facts, i suggest you do the same

I'm simply stating my opinion on this one actor, and not demanding that people stop campaining for him as you do, nor have I brought it up in practically every thread. Also, you'll notice I'm not trying to present my opinions as facts as you so often do.

[StorminNorman]

Reason Number 43 why Katsuro is better than L0ngsh0t....

coincidently it is also reason 43,000 why Ronny Shade is greater than all of use :(

[mcflytrap]

Is it from The Rainmaker?

Yep.

[kytrigger]

Yep.

YES!!!!!!

[StorminNorman]

Damn - I knew that, to bad I saw it too late. I love that book (and movie). John Grisham is my favorite American author (my personal favs are The Firm and The Street Lawyer).

[Ronny Shade]

ooo the tables have turned again...

for those of you who tell me to check my facts on the Paul Bettany movie(which i did and i stand by what i said) you should check your facts on Jude Law movies...one in perticular...I heart Huckabees....and tell me if you note an thing that resembles a British accent...because there isn't, he has a straight up, ohio bread american accent, it sounds nothing like normal Law, also in road to perdition he dosen't have a british accent, and also the aviator i think, though it's been awhile, i might be wrong about that one

there is nothing dissing paul bettany in this post, or even saying law should be the joker...just if your gunna give me **** for not checking the facts, i suggest you do the same

What movie were you watching?!!?

[Atomic Crusader]

Whomever Nolan and company decide upon is what will work for their project, we'll just have to wait and see. I'm concerned about Two-Face being in the film with The Joker, thats a prescription for very little Batman and either villain getting short shrift and adding up to very little. Both characters are great though, but one at a time please.

[kytrigger]

What movie were you watching?!!?

hahaha...I've only seen the film once, but I do remember his accent slipping through now and then (I am assuming this is what you're referring to). I 'll have to watch it again this weekend to see how often it really happens.

[Weapon M]

Jude Law,,, I dont know man..
I just dont see him a the Joker.. I'm sorry.. But he is too normal, and prototypical to see him as the Joker... Remember AI?

[Macphisto]

Actually, Law's attempt at an Amercian accent, which does slip in the oddest of places, could actually enhance the mystery surrounding The Joker. It worked for Hamill's interpretation which swung back and forth between American and upper British (Law's natural accent).

[Keyser Sushi]

Actually, Law's attempt at an Amercian accent, which does slip in the oddest of places, could actually enhance the mystery surrounding The Joker. It worked for Hamill's interpretation which swung back and forth between American and upper British (Law's natural accent).

Wow, somebody who's smart enough to understand that the Joker doesn't have to sound American, at least not completely. Excellent.

Nice suit, by the way. Gold lamé never goes out of fashion. ;)

[kytrigger]

Wow, somebody who's smart enough to understand that the Joker doesn't have to sound American, at least not completely. Excellent.

Nice suit, by the way. Gold lamé never goes out of fashion. ;)

I don't think he only needs and american accent, but there are some choices that I just don't feel fit well with the character. Looks wise, I love Vincent Cassel, but I cringe at hearing him try and spout Joker lines with his heavy french accent ( I don't know if he can make it more subtle, I have never seen a film of his where he has tried to lose it).

While his accent doesn't necesarily have to be american, I would prefer that it stay consistent throughout the movie, which Law didn't do in I Heart Huckabees. It went form pretty good american to pretty freaking british on a whim. And while some say that Hamill's voice showed some signs of a British accent, it was always with the same inflection and was very consistent. It was almost as if Hamill created a new sort of hybrid accent on his own that belonged to nobody but the Joker. That is completely different than going from all out american in one scene to all out english in the next.

[Keyser Sushi]

I don't think he only needs and american accent, but there are some choices that I just don't feel fit well with the character. Looks wise, I love Vincent Cassel, but I cringe at hearing him try and spout Joker lines with his heavy french accent ( I don't know if he can make it more subtle, I have never seen a film of his where he has tried to lose it).

While his accent doesn't necesarily have to be american, I would prefer that it stay consistent throughout the movie, which Law didn't do in I Heart Huckabees. It went form pretty good american to pretty freaking british on a whim. And while some say that Hamill's voice showed some signs of a British accent, it was always with the same inflection and was very consistent. It was almost as if Hamill created a new sort of hybrid accent on his own that belonged to nobody but the Joker. That is completely different than going from all out american in one scene to all out english in the next.

Well, I haven't seen Huckabees at all, because, frankly, I have zero interest in it. However, I liked Jude Law in Sky Captain, AI, and Road to Perdition, and my belief is that accents are mostly irrelevant with Joker. I wouldn't want him to sound French, either, but English or American is not a big deal to me. And honestly, Hammill's Joker voice always sounded rather upper-class British to me, with a heavy twist of insanity.

[kytrigger]

Well, I haven't seen Huckabees at all, because, frankly, I have zero interest in it. However, I liked Jude Law in Sky Captain, AI, and Road to Perdition, and my belief is that accents are mostly irrelevant with Joker. I wouldn't want him to sound French, either, but English or American is not a big deal to me. And honestly, Hammill's Joker voice always sounded rather upper-class British to me, with a heavy twist of insanity.

Fair enough. While I would prefer an american accent, I wouldn't mind a british accent either (as long as neither are extreme accents). The only thing I don't want is the accent to go back and forth because the english actor can't really pull off an american accent, or because the american actor can't pull of a british accent. I just want it to stay consistent. If Jude Law has the best audition for the role and is the best for the part, but can't really pull off an american accent, then I say just let him have a british accent.

[Keyser Sushi]

Fair enough. While I would prefer an american accent, I wouldn't mind a british accent either (as long as neither are extreme accents). The only thing I don't want is the accent to go back and forth because the english actor can't really pull off an american accent, or because the american actor can't pull of a british accent. I just want it to stay consistent. If Jude Law has the best audition for the role and is the best for the part, but can't really pull off an american accent, then I say just let him have a british accent.

I say if Law or Bettany got the role, just let them use a British accent. British accents are cool. If, God forbid, Hulme should get the role, just let him sound Australian provided he doesn't sound like Steve Irwin. If some American guy gets the role, let him sound American.

See where I'm going with this?

[kytrigger]

I say if Law or Bettany got the role, just let them use a British accent. British accents are cool. If, God forbid, Hulme should get the role, just let him sound Australian provided he doesn't sound like Steve Irwin. If some American guy gets the role, let him sound American.

See where I'm going with this?

Yeah, we are on the same page. I would rather them have a non-american accent than a fake american accent that dips in and out.

[nolan's roll'n]

Does anyone know if Lachy Hulme has a brother? I'm asking because I read the back of Gangster No.1 and it said Editor: Andrew Hulme. Interesting. It's hard to do online research on an actor unknown, like Lachy Hulme.