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nite-owl
04-30-2006, 06:32 AM
I was over lurking at the DC message boards and someone posted Extracts from Morrison's Wizard interview:

"He's a very proud,determined and quite humorous guy-he's obviously seen the worst life has to offer,and he's got a really black sense of humor about it.I want to enter this character a lot more realistically:What would this guy actually be like,this millionaire kid who's built himself Batmobiles and Batplanes and has a cave.What the ***** would that guy be thinking?"

"Iwant to see Bruce waking up in bed with three supermodels,because Batman just thinks,'Well,that keeps me healthy and happy.That's good for the mission'"

Like i said in a previous post on another thread,Grant Morrison "gets" Batman.He know's what this character is all about.Not just Batman though,he also "gets" The Joker.

Now,on to the preview of issue #655:

The Joker:"I did it.I finally killed Batman.In front of a busload of vulnerable disabled kids!!!

This is why Morrison is my favourite comic writer. I love you Grant:( :up:
super85
04-30-2006, 09:18 AM
The bit about Bruce waking up with three supermodels made my day. Thanks for posting :)
batmaluco
04-30-2006, 09:23 AM
Yeah, Bat-p1mp! :o
Thanks for posting this.
Fledermaus
04-30-2006, 09:40 AM
Has anybody else seen the preview for "Batman and Son"?
Ibn
04-30-2006, 11:01 AM
Has anybody else seen the preview for "Batman and Son"?

Nope, please fill me in.

Oh, and YEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS:joker:

BAT PPPPPPPPPPPPIIIIIIIIIIIIIYYYYYYYYYMMMMMMMMPPPPP!!! !!!!!!!

It was always my opinion that Batman was the biggest whore in all of comics (hence my role model) but now.......... hehehehehehe:up:
nite-owl
04-30-2006, 11:46 AM
super85
The bit about Bruce waking up with three supermodels made my day. Thanks for posting :)


batmaluco
Yeah, Bat-p1mp! :o
Thanks for posting this.


No problem. I love that Joker line though.
Fledermaus
04-30-2006, 12:02 PM
I glanced at the Wizard preview for "Batman and Son"
From what I remember Batman and Son starts out with Gordon falling from a rooftop after being poisoned by the Joker. He is caught. Then a splash page of the Joker standing over a badly beaten Batman. The next thing I remember seeing is the Joker getting shot in the head by another Batman. The next page is Batman holding the Joker, a little reminiscent of Death in the Family. That's all I got.
TheFalcon
04-30-2006, 12:18 PM
This sounds good. I can't wait for Morrison to start his run. It's going to be great. That Joker line is really good too.
Nightwing
04-30-2006, 12:26 PM
The bit about Bruce waking up with three supermodels made my day. Thanks for posting :)

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

As it did mine. Morrison is going to absolutely rule the book when his arc begins, he's someone who understands the character. The Joker line was great as well, good find, nite-owl. Thanks for posting this, I honestly can't wait. Not to mention how Andy Kubert will be doing the pencils, his art is fantastic.
Fledermaus
04-30-2006, 02:55 PM
Drasticquench has got a thread in comics forum. check it out
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229546
but look at this:

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f140/McAlice01/batmanpreview006.jpg

Good art, a little Jim Lee-like. but good.
Kraven
04-30-2006, 02:58 PM
That looks sweet as hell :up:. I can't wait until his arc starts... that's when I'll be picking up the Bat books again. :up:
TheFalcon
04-30-2006, 03:34 PM
I just saw the preview pages and they looked great. I loved Jim Lee's Batman and Andy Kubert's is very similar.

Any guesses for who the other Batman is?

I suspect it will be Jason since he draws a gun on the Joker, but I hope not. First he imitates Nightwing and now Batman?
Fledermaus
04-30-2006, 03:38 PM
I'm thinking it's Jason . It makes sense, all things considered.
Zilleraut #66
04-30-2006, 03:47 PM
I just saw the preview pages and they looked great. I loved Jim Lee's Batman and Andy Kubert's is very similar.

Any guesses for who the other Batman is?

I suspect it will be Jason since he draws a gun on the Joker, but I hope not. First he imitates Nightwing and now Batman? I'm going with Clayface. The great Joker/ Clayface fued must not die.
Fledermaus
04-30-2006, 04:13 PM
LOL. Somebody's been reading The Greatest Joker Stories Ever Told.
Ibn
05-01-2006, 11:15 AM
I'm going with Clayface. The great Joker/ Clayface fued must not die.

Please fill me in. And thanks to Fledermaus for the pics.



Still, I can't believe somebody shot you know who in the you know what!
Fledermaus
05-01-2006, 11:31 AM
I got the pics off of newsarama, so I can't take the credit. You know joker's not dead, though. the bullet probably glanced off of his skull or something.
Ibn
05-01-2006, 11:48 AM
I got the pics off of newsarama, so I can't take the credit. You know joker's not dead, though. the bullet probably glanced off of his skull or something.


Yeah.:rolleyes: Probably grazed his ear.:) Still, it's crazy to see Batman holding Joker like that.
Katsuro
05-01-2006, 03:42 PM
Hmm, my first response to reading that summary was that it was a dream or soemthing, but it could be Jason. Man, I hate that guy. He needs to get his own identity.
LennonMcCartney
05-01-2006, 04:12 PM
Wait, when does this start?
Nightwing
05-01-2006, 04:15 PM
It could be someone else, but I wouldn't be suprised if it's Jason. When I was looking at the previews for the issue, one page shows Joker beating on the other Batman with a crowbar. We all know that was the same weapon he used to kill Jason, not to mention how Jason refers to Bruce as "father" when talking to Talia in the annual issue. Hence why the arc is called "Batman and Son," even though Morrison said he was bringing Ibn back into continuity.

Wait, when does this start?

July.
Ibn
05-01-2006, 08:19 PM
Hmm, my first response to reading that summary was that it was a dream or soemthing, but it could be Jason. Man, I hate that guy. He needs to get his own identity.

Wouldn't that be so lame?
Ibn
05-01-2006, 08:37 PM
It could be someone else, but I wouldn't be suprised if it's Jason. When I was looking at the previews for the issue, one page shows Joker beating on the other Batman with a crowbar. We all know that was the same weapon he used to kill Jason, not to mention how Jason refers to Bruce as "father" when talking to Talia in the annual issue. Hence why the arc is called "Batman and Son," even though Morrison said he was bringing Ibn back into continuity.



July.


Wait, what?!?! He calls him father? That's just damn creepy! There turning him into an obsessed maniac. Wait, what if, when Bruce finds out about Ibn, Jason gets on a jealousy tip, and goes after him. Kidnaps him or something. Then in order to save the day, Batman needs help from Dick and Tim, his other "sons". Something tells me this is going to be alot deeper than I first thought. I can't f****n wait!
ChrisBaleBatman
05-02-2006, 11:31 AM
Well, Bruce is Jason's father. That's pretty much been established.

Jason just seems to want to mess with all they're minds though....I guess he just went on to Nightwing.

That preview.....wow. WOW. Morrison's writing in only about 4 or 5 pages has already outdone about 4 issues of Miller's writing. It's like that, for me atleast.

Btw...hope nobody minds If I use some of those Morrison quotes for my sig....those are just nice.
ChrisBaleBatman
05-03-2006, 05:14 PM
I'm a little confused.....what title will they be on?
Rivethed
05-03-2006, 07:39 PM
Hence why the arc is called "Batman and Son," even though Morrison said he was bringing Ibn back into continuity.

When did he say that? Does that mean the Kingdom Come related stuff is in continuity too? How about the Brotherhood of the Bat and League of Batmen stuff?
Fledermaus
05-03-2006, 08:53 PM
Brotherhood of the Bat, League of Batmen, and Kingdom Come are all elseworlds, therefore, non-continuity. The Kingdom Come sequel, The Kingdom may be in continuity. Batman's son in Brotherhood and League name was Tallant, not Ibn. Did Morrison say "Ibn" by name or just that he was bringing back the child from "son of the demon" ?
ChrisBaleBatman
05-03-2006, 10:49 PM
Where did the name Ibn come from? I mean......what ever happened to good 'ol american names. Like, Dave....or Steve.
Rivethed
05-03-2006, 10:58 PM
Brotherhood of the Bat, League of Batmen, and Kingdom Come are all elseworlds, therefore, non-continuity. The Kingdom Come sequel, The Kingdom may be in continuity. Batman's son in Brotherhood and League name was Tallant, not Ibn. Did Morrison say "Ibn" by name or just that he was bringing back the child from "son of the demon" ?

But during Infnite Crisis things got changed again. Son of the Demon was also considered an elseworlds story.
Nightwing
05-03-2006, 10:58 PM
When did he say that? Does that mean the Kingdom Come related stuff is in continuity too? How about the Brotherhood of the Bat and League of Batmen stuff?

It was in an interview he had months back, I'll get the link for you. All that was said was that he was bringing "Son of the Demon" back into continuity, I don't recall him mentioning the others you've asked which Fledermaus answered.

Where did the name Ibn come from? I mean......what ever happened to good 'ol american names. Like, Dave....or Steve.

It's obvious they wanted him to be different. He wasn't named "Ibn" out of the ordinary, his name is arabic like Ra's' for "Son of the Bat."
ChrisBaleBatman
05-03-2006, 10:59 PM
I hope we can still call him something.....like....Dave. Or Steve.
Ibn
05-03-2006, 11:23 PM
I hope we can still call him something.....like....Dave. Or Steve.

Ibn is a cool name. It's deep. It means "son" in Arabic. Ibn al Xuffasch - Son of the Bat. That has a whole hell of alot more meaning to me than Dave.
theMan-Bat
05-03-2006, 11:33 PM
I hope we can still call him something.....like....Dave. Or Steve.

Or Batbaby? LOL.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/rudeboy-/batbaby.jpg
Ibn
05-03-2006, 11:37 PM
Or Batbaby? LOL.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/rudeboy-/batbaby.jpg


Now that, my friend, is deep!
Fledermaus
05-04-2006, 12:24 AM
I hope we can still call him something.....like....Dave. Or Steve.

You tell him, Steve-Dave.
nite-owl
05-04-2006, 03:42 AM
I'm a little confused.....what title will they be on?

Batman.
Nightwing
05-04-2006, 08:34 AM
I hope we can still call him something.....like....Dave. Or Steve.

Ibn, is just fine.
The Englishman
05-04-2006, 01:51 PM
Where did the name Ibn come from? I mean......what ever happened to good 'ol american names. Like, Dave....or Steve.

Don't you mean good ol English names???
ChrisBaleBatman
05-04-2006, 03:53 PM
Ibn is a cool name. It's deep. It means "son" in Arabic. Ibn al Xuffasch - Son of the Bat. That has a whole hell of alot more meaning to me than Dave.

Most people don't speak Arabic though, so it could be a tough one to pronounce.

I dunno....I guess I always expected Bruce's first born son to be named Bruce Wayne Jr. Or maybe even Tom Wayne, after his dad.

Don't you mean good ol English names???

I actually got that line from HAROLD AND KUMAR GO TO WHITE CASTLE, when Harold and Jumar get stopped by the cop for jay walking (wtf?) and he laughs, "What kind of name is that anyhow? Kumar? What is that five o's or two u's? Whatever happened to good 'ol American names, like Dave....or Steve?"
Rivethed
05-04-2006, 09:16 PM
How many comics has Ibn appeared in? I know of Son of the Demon, Kingdom Come 2-4 (I think he was in all of them), The Kingdom 2, Son of the Bat. Is that it?
Fledermaus
05-04-2006, 09:33 PM
The name "Ibn" is a creation of Mark Waid. The baby Talia had in "Son of the Demon" was never named.
ChrisBaleBatman
05-04-2006, 10:37 PM
Oh. Okay. I guess the kid could have two names.....I guess. I mean, he is the son of Bruce AND Talia.

Is he usually a good guy? Or does he ever get portrayed as a bad guy?
Nightwing
05-04-2006, 10:53 PM
Oh. Okay. I guess the kid could have two names.....I guess. I mean, he is the son of Bruce AND Talia.

Is he usually a good guy? Or does he ever get portrayed as a bad guy?

Kingdom Come and The Kingdom both depicted him as good and bad. In Kingdom Come he's found by the League of Assasins after Ra's has apparently died to be their newly found leader. Only to soon discover (because of flashbacks) that it was actually him who murdered Ra's. The Kingdom showed him having a relationship with Nightstar (Nightwing and Starfire's daughter) who he thanks for being there at his side, so that he never ended up being "him." Whether it was Ra's or Bruce he was refering to was never revealed.
ChrisBaleBatman
05-04-2006, 10:58 PM
I see. Conflicted......hmmm. Interesting.
Nightwing
05-04-2006, 11:01 PM
I see. Conflicted......hmmm. Interesting.

He could never decide between the family legacies.
Fledermaus
05-05-2006, 12:03 AM
If I remember correctly, at the end of Kingdom Come he was fighting the League of Assassins brainwashing and helping Bruce with his hospital.
Ibn
05-05-2006, 10:25 AM
Oh. Okay. I guess the kid could have two names.....I guess. I mean, he is the son of Bruce AND Talia.

Is he usually a good guy? Or does he ever get portrayed as a bad guy?

You should really read The Kingdom. His portrayal is awesome. Just imagine a combo of Batman and Ra's intellect, Ra's ruthless do or die approach, yet still a sense of compassion like Bruce. He is overally a good guy. However, he's done some things............ yeah........ that Bruce kinda wouldn't do. Like killing his grandfather (which was disturbingly satisfying after watching his upbringing). And I think his name won't have that much of an effect on the readers. Hell, there are still debates over how to say Ra's' name. I can't believe I didn't get that White Castle reference! Oh, and hey Batman, where the hell were you when I started that review thread on The Kingdom,:thing: hmm? I got like two replies. One of them was me:( .................................:p
ChrisBaleBatman
05-05-2006, 08:07 PM
This is Kingdom Come, right? the one by Alex Ross?
Nightwing
05-05-2006, 08:20 PM
This is Kingdom Come, right? the one by Alex Ross?

The one Ibn is refering to would be The Kingdom.
Rivethed
05-07-2006, 09:47 AM
This is Kingdom Come, right? the one by Alex Ross?

The Kingdom had two main books and several individual books. One of them was called Son of the Bat and that's the story he's talking about. You can read up on the history if the chracter here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al_Xu%27ffasch

BTW, here's some interesting info from that article...

In Teen Titans v3 #18, when the Titans were transported 10 years into the future, a graveyard full of deceased Batman allies and villains is depicted. One tombstone reads "Ibn Al Xu'ffasch". It is unknown whether this means that he is truly in continuity with the DC universe.
ChrisBaleBatman
05-07-2006, 04:52 PM
Oh okay. I just got Kingdom Come, sho I should see a bit of him in there.
theMan-Bat
05-08-2006, 12:07 AM
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f140/McAlice01/batmanpreview002.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f140/McAlice01/batmanpreview003.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f140/McAlice01/batmanpreview004.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f140/McAlice01/batmanpreview005.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f140/McAlice01/batmanpreview006.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f140/McAlice01/batmanpreview007.jpg
Wacky.
theMan-Bat
05-08-2006, 12:12 AM
"Two Batmen"? Huh?
nite-owl
05-08-2006, 11:40 AM
The other Batman will probably be Jason.
ChrisBaleBatman
05-08-2006, 05:57 PM
Looks ****ing crazy. I love it.
The Joker
05-08-2006, 05:59 PM
What the hell?? Did the Joker just get shot in the face??
Kraven
05-08-2006, 06:40 PM
What the hell?? Did the Joker just get shot in the face??
Yea, right before he got chucked into a trash dumpster. I doubt he'll die or be dead by the end of this story, though. (I doubt if they could ever keep Joker dead).
rnewbz
05-08-2006, 07:33 PM
Andy's art at DC is really different than at marvel, not bad different. I like it, but it just does'nt look like his work.
ChrisBaleBatman
05-08-2006, 07:42 PM
Yeah, it looks alot like Lee's. His art here does look different.
FCEEVIPER
05-23-2006, 08:07 PM
Very Jim Lee'ish, but that's a good thing.

This looks awesome all-around!
ChrisBaleBatman
05-23-2006, 09:10 PM
Yeah.....really interesting stuff. It'll be one hell of a team.
Hudson
05-24-2006, 11:21 AM
Jason is Bruce's real son?
Nightwing
05-24-2006, 01:00 PM
Jason is Bruce's real son?

...No, only adoptive.

This arc is really going to be worth reading, Morrison is one of the current best writers today.
ChrisBaleBatman
05-24-2006, 11:31 PM
Interesting....the first part is called "Building a Better Batmobile"

Hmmmmmmm.........interesting.