The villains that i dont want in any of the BB sequels.

[ganstaman56]

k these are the Villains i dont want (and dont have a chance in hell of being in) any of the bb sequels.

1.Calender Man
2.The Ventriliquist
3.Clayface (he's just too Sci-Fi like for a live action realistic Superhero movie he seems like more of a Superman villain)
4.Killer Croc (see num. 3 explaination)
5.Man Bat (see num. 3 explaination. exept that Superman part)
6.Mad Hatter (worst villain ever next to Calender man)
7. Penguin (really crappy villain if they go wit the whole freak deal instead of him being normal and an aristocrat who runs an underworld nightclub and iz also a crimelord who runs a gang.



these are the villains i wanna see in the BB sequals

1.Joker
2.Two Face
3.Mr. Freeze
4.Poison Ivy
5.Penguin (if they dont go wit tha whole freak deal)
6.Riddler (if they do tha whole Obsessive Compulsive Disorder thing)
7.Harley Quinn
8.Bane (make him smart instead of retarded big guy)
9.Black Mask
10.Catwoman
11.Firefly ( tha whole arson thing seems like a cool thing for batman to have to take care of. not a main villain just one on the side.)
12.Scarecrow (not a main villain just come back and be captured by batman or killed off by joker cause he doesnt want any competition. ya know let him get a taste of someone else's gas for a change)


k those are mine now lemme see yours! (pun definanatly intended)

[Anjow1060]

I'd think everyone is great and plausable minus one and only one = Poison Ivy. She's the only one I can't seem to have any reason for. She has no way to enhance the character development of bruce/batman. Everyone else could be tied in quite nicley IMO. And I mean everyone.

[Two-Face]

Wait Let me this straight, you wanna see Firefly who's lame but you DON'T want The Riddler or The Penguin.

[ganstaman56]

Wait Let me this straight, you wanna see Firefly who's lame but you DON'T want The Riddler or The Penguin.if you would look i said i dont want them if they go wit the crappy versions of them. but riddler's fine either way.

[ganstaman56]

Wait Let me this straight, you wanna see Firefly who's lame but you DON'T want The Riddler or The Penguin.k i realized my mistake and fixed it ya happy!?

[Anjow1060]

Hell I wana see firefly, he's not entirely lame. Not a main baddie, but definatly an interesting side villan. As it goes with a lot of these villans, I'd like to see the BTAS interpretations, especially on the riddler. Batman The Animated Series got it right. They need to take a look at those for source material, not direct interpretations, but draw some of the many strong points from there.

[Mr. Socko]

Clayface
Man-Bat
Killer Croc

[ganstaman56]

Clayface
Man-Bat
Killer Crocfor in tha movie or not in tha movie?

[Mr. Socko]

Not in the movie.

[El Payaso]

k these are the Villains i dont want (and dont have a chance in hell of being in) any of the bb sequels.

1.Calender Man
2.The Ventriliquist
3.Clayface (he's just too Sci-Fi like for a live action realistic Superhero movie he seems like more of a Superman villain)
4.Killer Croc (see num. 3 explaination)
5.Man Bat (see num. 3 explaination. exept that Superman part)
6.Mad Hatter (worst villain ever next to Calender man)
7. Penguin (really crappy villain if they go wit the whole freak deal instead of him being normal and an aristocrat who runs an underworld nightclub and iz also a crimelord who runs a gang.

Same here.

[ganstaman56]

Not in the movie.what about Calender Man and Mad Hatter and The Ventriliquist?

[ganstaman56]

also that Maxi Zeus iz the 3rd worst villain of all time. out of Calender and Hatter.

when Zeus iz in the comics he's dangerous alright dangerous to a good read! he rarely makes a comics appearance (thank god) but when he does he's often disrespected by the writer. lets face it when u cant even get love from a comic-book writer who's put you in their book your really not worth a damn.

[L0ngsh0t]

yeah i like calender man, i don't see it likely him in one though...

but i think these are the most likely (if not already forsure) in order...

1. Joker
2. Two-Face
3. Sal Maroni
4. Black Mask
5. The Riddler
6. Ra's Al Ghul's Daughter(i can't remember he name of the top of my head)
7. The Penguin
8. Catwomen
9. Holiday (i think it could be a good like Batman 4 story line lol)
10. Bane (for redemption from batman and robin)

[Mr. Socko]

12. Mr. Freeze(for redemption from batman and robin)

And 6 is Talia.

[El Payaso]

what about Calender Man and Mad Hatter and The Ventriliquist?

Off with their heads.

the Ventriloquist maybe.

[Keyser Sushi]

Ventriloquist/Scarface can be creepy if done right. The thing about him is that it IS a ridiculous idea, but if the writers accept that and play up the insanity that would be necessary for a character to operate that way, it could be very unsettling.

Also, about Killer Croc - he actually COULD be done without any problem, moreso than Clayface or Man-Bat. Because Croc could certainly be the circus-freak type of guy, some hideous freak of nature who's been abused all his life and he's just a really nasty guy, now. He couldn't carry a movie on his own but as a fugly bit of muscle to flesh out a cast, he'd be just fine, in my book.

[batmaluco]

Ventriloquist/Scarface can be creepy if done right. The thing about him is that it IS a ridiculous idea, but if the writers accept that and play up the insanity that would be necessary for a character to operate that way, it could be very unsettling.

Also, about Killer Croc - he actually COULD be done without any problem, moreso than Clayface or Man-Bat. Because Croc could certainly be the circus-freak type of guy, some hideous freak of nature who's been abused all his life and he's just a really nasty guy, now. He couldn't carry a movie on his own but as a fugly bit of muscle to flesh out a cast, he'd be just fine, in my book.
Totally agreed. :up:

[Shoemeister]

Ventriloquist/Scarface can be creepy if done right. The thing about him is that it IS a ridiculous idea, but if the writers accept that and play up the insanity that would be necessary for a character to operate that way, it could be very unsettling.

Also, about Killer Croc - he actually COULD be done without any problem, moreso than Clayface or Man-Bat. Because Croc could certainly be the circus-freak type of guy, some hideous freak of nature who's been abused all his life and he's just a really nasty guy, now. He couldn't carry a movie on his own but as a fugly bit of muscle to flesh out a cast, he'd be just fine, in my book.

My thoughts exactly on both characters. I still wanna see Ventriloquist/Scarface badly. I believe it could be extremely creepy, and having Scarface "shoot" and kill Ventriloquist after a heated argument would be highly disturbing and engrossing.

[cerealkiller182]

k these are the Villains i dont want (and dont have a chance in hell of being in) any of the bb sequels.

1.Calender Man

I'd like to see him in the Hannibal Lector style role that he was in The Long Halloween.

2.The Ventriliquist

Agreed

3.Clayface (he's just too Sci-Fi like for a live action realistic Superhero movie he seems like more of a Superman villain)

Sad to say, I agree. He just is not concievable.

4.Killer Croc (see num. 3 explaination)

I think Croc can be pushed in there the way he was originally concieved as a wrestler with a skin condition. He'd make a great second bannana to one of the bigger villains

5.Man Bat (see num. 3 explaination. exept that Superman part)

Agreed. Him and Clayface are such great characters too

6.Mad Hatter (worst villain ever next to Calender man)

Nolan could do something really twisted with this though, especially TAS version where he kidnapped all those people and dressed him like Wonderland characters.

7. Penguin (really crappy villain if they go wit the whole freak deal instead of him being normal and an aristocrat who runs an underworld nightclub and iz also a crimelord who runs a gang.

I agree if it is the freak. He would be a great gangster though.

[Golgo-13]

^. Ditto!

Also i would hate to see that Zeus character in there. I would rather not see any (except the Joker) of the Villans we've already seen on film before. Batman just has far too many villans in his world to keep recycling the ones we've already seen.

IMO, it was one of the elements that made Batman Begins so successful. It was fresh, all the way round ( including the villans)....

[cerealkiller182]

^. Ditto!

Also i would hate to see that Zeus character in there. I would rather not see any (except the Joker) of the Villans we've already seen on film before. Batman just has far too many villans in his world to keep recycling the ones we've already seen.

IMO, it was one of the elements that made Batman Begins so successful. It was fresh, all the way round ( including the villans)....

I would like Mr. Freeze, Two-Face, and Bane recycled since they were done so poorly. Riddelr would be nice to see to just so we can see Batman use his detective skills since that was what Batman Begins was missing(plus his knowledge of forensics.)

[StorminNorman]

k these are the Villains i dont want (and dont have a chance in hell of being in) any of the bb sequels.

1.Calender Man
2.The Ventriliquist
3.Clayface (he's just too Sci-Fi like for a live action realistic Superhero movie he seems like more of a Superman villain)
4.Killer Croc (see num. 3 explaination)
5.Man Bat (see num. 3 explaination. exept that Superman part)
6.Mad Hatter (worst villain ever next to Calender man)
7. Penguin (really crappy villain if they go wit the whole freak deal instead of him being normal and an aristocrat who runs an underworld nightclub and iz also a crimelord who runs a gang.


1. Calender Man - could work as a cameo villian very well, infact I see no reason why to NOT include him. Picture Batman walking through Arkham past a cell covered in Calender Pages and a bald man glaring at him.

2. Ventriloquest - I think this one could work actually, have a scitzo gangster in which one of his personalitis manifests itself in the form of an old Dummy.

3. Clayface, 5 Man Bat - I agree

4. Killer Croc I have seen some ways of making him work in a Nolanverse - however I dont care much about the character either way.

6. Mad Hatter - Child Rapist. It would be a very interesting twist for the character and a sick villian perfect for Bale to kick the crap out of. Think of a creepy 50 year old balding man with a sick addiction to little blond girls named Alice. My pick for the character: Kelsey Grammer.

[Mr. Socko]

I like The Ventriloquist. Robin Williams for the role.

[Golgo-13]

I would like Mr. Freeze, Two-Face, and Bane recycled since they were done so poorly. Riddelr would be nice to see to just so we can see Batman use his detective skills since that was what Batman Begins was missing(plus his knowledge of forensics.)

See i respect and understand why people want the already used villans on screen again, it's a form of redeeming them after they were ass rape by WB in the 90's but if we go that route, then we will never get the oppotunity to see all the other villans that the Batman universe has to offer. Like i stated above, i'm all for Joker, but that's it.....
:up:

[batmaluco]

I like The Ventriloquist. Robin Williams for the role.
Yes, Robin Williams or Kevin Spacey. :up:

[Keyser Sushi]

Yes, Robin Williams or Kevin Spacey. :up:

WTF? ROBIN WILLIAMS? No. Just... no.

Kevin Spacey would be brilliant, but he's already Lex and since this is ostensibly the same universe, I'll say no to that.

This is actually the first time where I'll suggest the voice actor who played both Arnold and Scarface on TAS: George Dzundza.

http://services.windowsmedia.com/vidpic/pic200/drV000/V007/V000790C5SN.jpg

Or how about Kurtwood Smith (Clarence Boddicker from RoboCop; Red from That 70's Show)

http://www.beyondhollywood.com/moviepics/fortress7.jpg

Hell, even Armin Shimerman:

http://www.vulkon.com/images/ArminShimerman2.jpg

[Golgo-13]

Armin Shimmerman looks just like the Ventriliquist! :up:

[TheGrayGhost]

A villain I don't want to see?

A reserved Joker with gay undertones.

[mister Lennon]

The things that i dont get is that you think that the penguin and the riddler are too lame and not fyrefly and that you think that people like clayface, kiler croc or man-bat are unbelievle in the Nolan style and not people like mister freeze?


Agree in the calendar man part.

[mister Lennon]

I think that any main batman villain could work in a movie with the correct development. From joker, two face, penguin, catwoman, riddler, mister freeze, poison ivy, talia, bane, mad hatter, clayface, ventriloquist, killer croc, man bat, hugo strange, etc.

Except the supporting villains like calendar man or killer moth.

[CConn]

King Tut
Egg Head
Red Baron
Calendar Man
Magpie
Killer Moth
George Clooney
Firefly
Hush
Killer Croc
Clayface (simply because there's really no way they could do it without it either (a) sucking or (b) having an overload of crappy CGI...and sucking)

Really, other than that, I'm open to just about anybody. Anybody else could work if they're developed correctly.

[trustyside-kick]

k these are the Villains i dont want (and dont have a chance in hell of being in) any of the bb sequels.

1.Calender Man
2.The Ventriliquist
3.Clayface (he's just too Sci-Fi like for a live action realistic Superhero movie he seems like more of a Superman villain)
4.Killer Croc (see num. 3 explaination)
5.Man Bat (see num. 3 explaination. exept that Superman part)
6.Mad Hatter (worst villain ever next to Calender man)
7. Penguin (really crappy villain if they go wit the whole freak deal instead of him being normal and an aristocrat who runs an underworld nightclub and iz also a crimelord who runs a gang.

The only ones I agree with you are Killer Croc, The Ventriloquist, and Man bat.

I do not see how Clayface is more of a superman villain and even though it would require CGI it would be great to see him on screen.

Penguin would be good to have in the movie actually, just not as a main villain (a very small role). He could like do some arm sales stuff.

I don't know about Mad Hatter being the worst villain. If written right they could do something cool with him but would not be a main villain.

[ganstaman56]

The things that i dont get is that you think that the penguin and the riddler are too lame and not fyrefly and that you think that people like clayface, kiler croc or man-bat are unbelievle in the Nolan style and not people like mister freeze?


Agree in the calendar man part.i never said that!! i said that they are kinda stupid if Penguin is a freak. and if riddler isnt an obsessive compulsive it just isnt dark and in depth enough so there isnt that much to him.

[cerealkiller182]

The things that i dont get is that ... that you think that people like clayface, kiler croc or man-bat are unbelievle in the Nolan style and not people like mister freeze?


Agree in the calendar man part.

For me its visual, not believable. Clayface and Manbat i think will look stupid (ie Van Helsing style). I am so for Croc and Freeze though. They remind me of old pulp villains that you might see in The Shadow of Rocketeer. Or like a Bond villain. I see Croc and Freeze looking real cool in a Nolan style movie?

I do not understand the hate for Mad Hatter and Calendar Man?

Hatter would look awesome in a Nolan film. Bottom line!

Calendar Man is wicked lame as a villain, but in The Long Halloween comic, he served as a Hannibal Lector type role, and someone like that would be cool in a Nolan style Batman flick. Or it could blow up in his face because ppl see it as a rip-off rather a homage.

[trustyside-kick]

But Calendar Man would have to commit the crimes coinciding with the calendar before he could play the role he did in TLH.

[cerealkiller182]

But Calendar Man would have to commit the crimes coinciding with the calendar before he could play the role he did in TLH.

Why? You never saw Hannibal Lector commit any of his crimes before Silence of the Lambs.

[trustyside-kick]

That is way different though. Not every Batman fan has read TLH. A butt-load of Batman fans are fans but not comic fans. If you were to have Calendar Man do what he did in TLH or even DV without first showing him commiting crimes that coincided with the calender you would have a lot of people going "who?"..."Julian...Day?"..."Calendar Man?"... :(

[StorminNorman]

That is way different though. Not every Batman fan has read TLH. A butt-load of Batman fans are fans but not comic fans. If you were to have Calendar Man do what he did in TLH or even DV without first showing him commiting crimes that coincided with the calender you would have a lot of people going "who?"..."Julian...Day?"..."Calendar Man?"... :(

I had never read a single Batman comic that had Julian Day before reading TLH and it in no way took away from the character. Batman mentioned that he was responsible for commiting crimes on Holidays - that is all that is needed. The way I would use the character is to never give him a name, simply have a shot of Batman walking down Arkham past a bald headed man with calender pages spread about his cell - lay people will think he is a nut, comic fans will know he is more.

[Calendar Man]

k these are the Villains i dont want (and dont have a chance in hell of being in) any of the bb sequels.

1.Calender Man

Not cool man. Not cool.

[trustyside-kick]

Lol at Calendar Man.

And to StorminNorman I get your point. And when I was talking about people not knowing who he was unless he committed the crimes by the calendar I just meant that unlike in a comic you don't got the boxes that basically tell you what people are thinking. Sure somewhere along the dialogue they could mention Julian Day and have him walk past him but I just felt wouldn't be the same on screen.

[cerealkiller182]

That is way different though. Not every Batman fan has read TLH. A butt-load of Batman fans are fans but not comic fans. If you were to have Calendar Man do what he did in TLH or even DV without first showing him commiting crimes that coincided with the calender you would have a lot of people going "who?"..."Julian...Day?"..."Calendar Man?"... :(

I get what you are saying, but all you have to do is have Gordon say "This is Julian Day, nefarious for being obsessed with Holidays. blah! blah! blah!" very short very sweet. Basically the same as Silence of the Lambs, this is Hannibal LEctor he ate people (to that effect). I think it will work. I would tweak the character a little so that you do not have to use the Holiday killer since Nolan will probably skip that story. Make him a criminalogy or psychology genius like Lector as well.

btw I didnt read anything with Calender Man before THL and thought that scene was amazing.

[The Watchman]

If you don't like Mad Hatter you need to read his arc in Gotham Central, truly creepy pedohile, certainly a worthy adversary that would fit perfectly in a "real world" Batman movie.

[The Watchman]

Hell, with a good writer literally any of them could be done well.

[cerealkiller182]

Hell, with a good writer literally any of them could be done well.

Very true, but the only reason I omit any villains is only visual reasons.

Clayface and Man-Bat are great characters, but i do not see them looking good on screen.

They would look out of place in the way that the tone the movies take. also the general ideas of the two are pretty out there.

[GoldGoblin]

King Tut
Egg Head
Red Baron
Calendar Man
Magpie
Killer Moth
George Clooney
Firefly
Hush
Killer Croc
Clayface (simply because there's really no way they could do it without it either (a) sucking or (b) having an overload of crappy CGI...and sucking)

Really, other than that, I'm open to just about anybody. Anybody else could work if they're developed correctly.

^Nice.

[Golgo-13]

I could see Man Bat actually working myself. Remember Bram Strokers Dracula? Remember the scene when Dracula was having sex with that ginger hair girl, as Winona Ryder stumbles across them in the maze...have Man Bat's face look like Dracula in that scene kind if like a Horse-Shoe Nosed Bat (i think that's the name of the specie that he looked like in that scene).....

[cerealkiller182]

^^^I'm still skeptical, especially after the Man-Bat in Van Helsing.

[trustyside-kick]

^^^I'm still skeptical, especially after the Man-Bat in Van Helsing.

A lot of people are using that movie as a reference and...I think they did a cool job with their monster designs for the most part. That is why having Clayface would not bother me in one of the Nolan films. Even though Man-Bat is not a favorite villain for me I do not think having him in the movie would be stupid either just because of the CGI thing. People keep taking the realistic approach too far with these films. :(

[7alex]

I think Ventriloquest would be awesome as a sub villan.

[Beelze]

I'd think everyone is great and plausable minus one and only one = Poison Ivy. She's the only one I can't seem to have any reason for. She has no way to enhance the character development of bruce/batman. Everyone else could be tied in quite nicley IMO. And I mean everyone.
She's actually one of the villains I'd like to see in the sequels. Toned down, of course. She provides another take on justice, and they could probably find her a reason to have some connection to Wayne Enterprises.

[cerealkiller182]

A lot of people are using that movie as a reference and...I think they did a cool job with their monster designs for the most part. That is why having Clayface would not bother me in one of the Nolan films. Even though Man-Bat is not a favorite villain for me I do not think having him in the movie would be stupid either just because of the CGI thing. People keep taking the realistic approach too far with these films. :(

THe designs were nice, but the end porduct was pretty shabby especially since the tone of the movie was fairly serious/ I think VH wuld have done a lot better had it better CGI.

[Knightsaber Priss]

I want to see Azrael in a movie plain and simple. He'd be a rather interesting choice since he's not a typical all evil, Batman foe.

http://spider-bob.com/heroes/dc/images/Azrael04.jpg

[cerealkiller182]

^^^^^Wasnt he part of some strange martial arts cult? Would it be out of the question to make him a member of the League of Shadows under Ra's?

[Anjow1060]

Well it would make for an interesting storyline if they tied it in with Knightfall as Ras would then have connections to Bane and to Azrael. The man who broke batman, and the man who took out the man who broke batman. Might be interesting, depends on how they do it. I'd still like to see Bruce be the one to take down Bane after getting horribly smacked up.

[cerealkiller182]

Well it would make for an interesting storyline if they tied it in with Knightfall as Ras would then have connections to Bane and to Azrael. The man who broke batman, and the man who took out the man who broke batman. Might be interesting, depends on how they do it. I'd still like to see Bruce be the one to take down Bane after getting horribly smacked up.

I remember in the cartoon. Bane broke the bat signal during a fight with Batman and eventually Batman pulled his venom tube and tied it to the broken bulb and electrocuted Bane. That would be cool to see.

[trustyside-kick]

I think Ventriloquest would be awesome as a sub villan.

Ya he is one of those villains that would obviously be a sub villain but a really good one. Since Falcone is behind bars in the first movie and The Ventriloquist grew up into a Mafia Family they could do a cool twist in the future films.

[Sandman138]

Ventriloquist/Scarface can be creepy if done right. The thing about him is that it IS a ridiculous idea, but if the writers accept that and play up the insanity that would be necessary for a character to operate that way, it could be very unsettling.

He's not rediculous at all. A man who suffers from MPS and, because he can't deal with his darker urges, transfers them into a fetish he's created for himself. I ask you, is that not a perfect juxtaposition for Batman? I definatly want to see the Ventriloquist in a Batman movie.

In terms of Nolan's movies Clayface and Man-Bat are out. I could see Croc being done, remember his original background was simply a pro wrestler with a skin disease. He could be an effective enforcer. I don't want to see Holiday, I think that TLH is overrated and there is no need to rehash a plot that depends on far too much canon. I don't want to see Bane, he's a one dimensional 80's villian. No need for Ratcatcher.

[theSILENCE]

i wouldn't want to see baby doll.

[trustyside-kick]

In terms of Nolan's movies Clayface and Man-Bat are out. I could see Croc being done, remember his original background was simply a pro wrestler with a skin disease. He could be an effective enforcer. I don't want to see Holiday, I think that TLH is overrated and there is no need to rehash a plot that depends on far too much canon. I don't want to see Bane, he's a one dimensional 80's villian. No need for Ratcatcher.

I loved TLH but I can understand about you not wanting to see Holiday. And it is not overrated...what is overrated is Batman: Year One and The Killing Joke. I disagree about Bane though, would be awesome for him to make an appearance. Killer Croc can be done but I dunno about wanting to see him in a future Nolan film.

[cerealkiller182]

I love Bane. He is a master strategist and he can see Batman as a challenge.

[Keyser Sushi]

He's not rediculous at all. A man who suffers from MPS and, because he can't deal with his darker urges, transfers them into a fetish he's created for himself. I ask you, is that not a perfect juxtaposition for Batman? I definatly want to see the Ventriloquist in a Batman movie.

That's what I'm saying. When I said it's ridiculous I just meant in terms of the dummy being the mob boss... it's a ridiculous image, but if you notice, I added that a good writer would make it work very well, and what I meant was exactly what you just described. As long as the psychology of the character is central to his being in the movie, it would work very very well.

In terms of Nolan's movies Clayface and Man-Bat are out. I could see Croc being done, remember his original background was simply a pro wrestler with a skin disease. He could be an effective enforcer. I don't want to see Holiday, I think that TLH is overrated and there is no need to rehash a plot that depends on far too much canon. I don't want to see Bane, he's a one dimensional 80's villian. No need for Ratcatcher.

I agree with all of that. :up:

[Ronny Shade]

k these are the Villains i dont want (and dont have a chance in hell of being in) any of the bb sequels.

1.Calender Man
2.The Ventriliquist
3.Clayface (he's just too Sci-Fi like for a live action realistic Superhero movie he seems like more of a Superman villain)
4.Killer Croc (see num. 3 explaination)
5.Man Bat (see num. 3 explaination. exept that Superman part)
6.Mad Hatter (worst villain ever next to Calender man)
7. Penguin (really crappy villain if they go wit the whole freak deal instead of him being normal and an aristocrat who runs an underworld nightclub and iz also a crimelord who runs a gang.


A post like this betrays lack of imagination. All of these villains can work very well if done correctly. Clayface, The Ventriloquist and The Penguin could especially be excellent characters.

[Ronny Shade]

Bane should definitely be in one of the later movies. I see him sharing a film with The Penguin.

[trustyside-kick]

A post like this betrays lack of imagination. All of these villains can work very well if done correctly. Clayface, The Ventriloquist and The Penguin could especially be excellent characters.

Yea and also, isn't Penguin one of the people rumored to be in the next one? Besides Black Mask and Joker.

[Ronny Shade]

Yeah, but "rumored" is the key word.

Penguin is rank with potential to be an amazing character.

[trustyside-kick]

I know. I was just saying cause he was on the list that the guy who made this thread came up with. The list of villains he does not want to see.

[Ronny Shade]

I think we decided that this guy sucks.

[cerealkiller182]

I know. I was just saying cause he was on the list that the guy who made this thread came up with. The list of villains he does not want to see.

Give him some credit! He said he doesnt want the circus freak Penguin, he wants the gangster Penguin.

[trustyside-kick]

Oh yea I know...I just did not want to be the one to say it outload. Thanks Ronny lol.

cerealkiller182- I know. And I agree if Penguin is in he should be the gangster one.

[Ronny Shade]

Okay. Here's some credit, gansterman. Take it.

[trustyside-kick]

Speaking of villains who could be great if written right...even though Firefly is not a huge villain to Bats like Joker is...with Nolan taking the whole realism approach to these movies they could very well make Firefly a main villain for a story or at least a big sub villain.

[Sandman138]

Yeah, but "rumored" is the key word.

Penguin is rank with potential to be an amazing character.

Ecspecially if played by Phillip Seymour Hoffman

[tw9876z]

penguin could be cool. but my big want is for the riddler to be how he was in TLH, an informer of sorts. Id love to see him play both sides and be a cool character through out the films as a side character. He could be in 2 and on, perhaps a build up character. I think scarecrow would be great in all the sequels, i mean joker needs a hook up for his toys and crane knows the underworld.

[trustyside-kick]

I had never read a single Batman comic that had Julian Day before reading TLH and it in no way took away from the character. Batman mentioned that he was responsible for commiting crimes on Holidays - that is all that is needed. The way I would use the character is to never give him a name, simply have a shot of Batman walking down Arkham past a bald headed man with calender pages spread about his cell - lay people will think he is a nut, comic fans will know he is more.

Maybe this would not count but on wikipedia it says his first appearance was in the 50s. Detective Comics #259. I was saying it might not count because of the whole revamp of the comics in the 80s.

[Ronny Shade]

I was always under the impression he was an awfully silly character originally. I, however am rather unfamiliar with his origins.

[trustyside-kick]

I was always under the impression he was an awfully silly character originally. I, however am rather unfamiliar with his origins.

I dunno, as far as I am concerned he was created in the 50s and committed crimes (not murder though) that coincided with the calendar and then I guess in the 80s re-vamp he was gone until The Long Halloween where as many people have said played a Hannibal Lecter kind of role.

[StorminNorman]

Calender man is one of the most worthless characters in the franchise IMO (and this from a guy who likes Maxie Zeus)

[trustyside-kick]

Well, maybe if like Holiday and Hang Man, he killed or did really bad things for his crimes that coincided with the calendar then he would get more respect.

Cause in Dark Victory when "on trial" with Two-Face and the gang he says that his crimes never included murder.

[cerealkiller182]

Calender man is one of the most worthless characters in the franchise IMO (and this from a guy who likes Maxie Zeus)

DId you read The Long hallwoeen? I thought that was such a great angle. I'd like to see Calendar Man only if he is like that. No way would he be interesting any other way.

Magpie! Pretty lame villain! But what if she was like the Penguin's b****. THey have similar bird fascinations.

[StorminNorman]

DId you read The Long hallwoeen? I thought that was such a great angle. I'd like to see Calendar Man only if he is like that. No way would he be interesting any other way.

Magpie! Pretty lame villain! But what if she was like the Penguin's b****. THey have similar bird fascinations.
I have read TLH, loved TLH - however Calendar Man in that was cliched villian - a complete rip off of Hannibal Lector. The characters history does not have him portrayed that way, and any attepmt to use the character as he is portrayed in TLH will come off (again) as a rip off of Lector.

I believe they SHOULD include Calendar Man in the movies however, just as a very very small cameo role - while walking through Arkham have a bald man staring out into the halls with Calendar pages littered through out his room. It would appear to the mainstreme audience as a simply loon, to comic fans it would be a nod to an established villian. Quite simply there is no reason NOT to do this.

[Two-Face]

Calendar Man been as main villian wouldn't work simply because he's NOT huge character like Joker or Two-Face who both them a match to Batman. The only time he appear in a Batman movie if Dark Knight needs his help, I also I agree with Norman.

[cerealkiller182]

I have read TLH, loved TLH - however Calendar Man in that was cliched villian - a complete rip off of Hannibal Lector. The characters history does not have him portrayed that way, and any attepmt to use the character as he is portrayed in TLH will come off (again) as a rip off of Lector

I suppose it would. Its just a shame. I thought that was so cool. Thats the only thing I have ever read with Calendar Man so I have no idea how lame he really is. Of course i suppose the name and MO are pretty obvious clues to his lameness

[ganstaman56]

Okay. Here's some credit, gansterman. Take it.thanks i'll put it on my mantle. lol

[Golgo-13]

I've always felt that, during the scene when Batman is escaping from Arkham, and he runs through the cell of those 2 prisoners sitting on the bed, that that would have been a perfect opportunity for a Ventriliquist cameo. I mean why the hell would they have two people in the same room, on the same bed, in an insane asylum...???

[ganstaman56]

I've always felt that, during the scene when Batman is escaping from Arkham, and he runs through the cell of those 2 prisoners sitting on the bed, that that would have been a perfect opportunity for a Ventriliquist cameo. I mean why the hell would they have two people in the same room, on the same bed, in an insane asylum...???maybe they're queer lol

[trustyside-kick]

I've always felt that, during the scene when Batman is escaping from Arkham, and he runs through the cell of those 2 prisoners sitting on the bed, that that would have been a perfect opportunity for a Ventriliquist cameo. I mean why the hell would they have two people in the same room, on the same bed, in an insane asylum...???

Well, they are insane. Maybe confused? :O

[cerealkiller182]

I've always felt that, during the scene when Batman is escaping from Arkham, and he runs through the cell of those 2 prisoners sitting on the bed, that that would have been a perfect opportunity for a Ventriliquist cameo.

If you go back when through one of the Arkham montages during that movie (cant remember where exactly) someone who looks just like the Ventriloquist looks through the slot on his cell door. I think it is right before he breaks into the room you are talking about.

After a second look, he doesnt look like the Ventriloquist much. I could have sworn there was someone though.

[trustyside-kick]

Really? :eek: :confused:

I'll check it out next time I feel like watching the movie.

[Qui Gon Ducard]

Quote:
6.Mad Hatter (worst villain ever next to Calender man)


Nolan could do something really twisted with this though, especially TAS version where he kidnapped all those people and dressed him like Wonderland characters.

Or even better just make him a peadophile who is obsessed by girls called alice, and Lewis Carrol bingo, just calls himself hatter and sometimes where's a hat none of this mind programming stuff. just dark and creepy.

[warren_sparta27]

yes, Mad hatter as a child kidknapper and rapist, that is what i've been saying all along. but because these films are for a younger audience i doubt we will ever get to see this come true :(

[Ronny Shade]

Roxy Rocket is hot.

[cerealkiller182]

I think there is way to at least make some of the more lame villains be cameos besides just dressing up there Arkham cell.

For instance:
Lock-Up: an over enthusiactic Arkham guard named Bolton
Roxy Rocket: stunt personality like Evil Kneval (sp?)
Firefly: a pyromaniac thug for a mob boss nicknamed Firefly (no suit, gun, or jet pack)


I'm sure theres others that can be done.

[Dark Knight88]

Villains i want;

Joker
Two-Face
Penguin
Scarecorw's return
Black Mask
Riddler
Catwoman (turned good eventually i hope)
Killer Croc (Non-Mutant, Hired Muscle)

Villains i don't want(the list is endless i'll name a few);

Shiva
Talia
Riddler
Freeze
Ivy
Hush
Bane
Harley
Firefly etc ya get the picture;)

[cerealkiller182]

I think Hush is a pretty good villain and really messes with Bats psyche. Do people not want him because his story is so elaborate and requires a lot of Bat-history?

[trustyside-kick]

A lot of people are hating on Hush because the whole Hush Returns and Hush Vs. Joker thing like killed the Gotham Knights series. Some parts I liked about it and parts I disliked. I feel that Hush could have been a better character if Loeb wrote Hush Returns since his storyarc created him.

[Sandman138]

WTF? ROBIN WILLIAMS? No. Just... no.

Robin Williams is perfect for the Ventriliquist. The manic pushover he played in One Hour Photo is exactly the kind of characterization needed to make such a character work.

[trustyside-kick]

Robin Williams is perfect for the Ventriliquist. The manic pushover he played in One Hour Photo is exactly the kind of characterization needed to make such a character work.

Ya, I have been saying the same stuff. I made a thread for who should play The Ventriloquist and I mentioned Williams for my nomination.

[Super Flight]

calanderman.....hahahaha....

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Villains I want:
1. The Joker
2. Two-Face
3. Catwoman
4. The Penguin
5. Riddler
6. Bane
7. The Ventriloquist
8. Madhatter (Martin Short or Andy Serkis for him!)
9. Mr. Freeze (Ben Kingsley for the part!)
10. Return of Scarecrow and Rahs Al Ghul
11. Talia
12. Poison Ivy
13. Harley
14. Killer Croc- Make him have razor-sharp teeth and a skin-defect, but don't make him look like a crocodile. I'd make him how he looks like in "BTAS."

Villains I don't want to see:

1. Manbat
2. Shiva
3. Firefly
4. Hush & Clayface- It's a tie. As much as I want them, Nolan wouldn't do them because he's going for too much reality.

[trustyside-kick]

^I would not want Shiva either but only because I do not want them to have Ra's in another Nolan film...I do not want to see certain villains twice. And since they are only signed for 3 films I do not want to have Ra's appear in the other so it would be pointless to have Shiva and even though she is not a villain I do not want to really see Talia as well...Talia is possible I guess...but I dont know...

[StorminNorman]

Villains I want:
1. The Joker
2. Two-Face
3. Catwoman
4. The Penguin
5. Riddler
6. Bane
7. The Ventriloquist
8. Madhatter (Martin Short or Andy Serkis for him!)
9. Mr. Freeze (Ben Kingsley for the part!)
10. Return of Scarecrow and Rahs Al Ghul
11. Talia
12. Poison Ivy
13. Harley
14. Killer Croc- Make him have razor-sharp teeth and a skin-defect, but don't make him look like a crocodile. I'd make him how he looks like in "BTAS."

Villains I don't want to see:

1. Manbat
2. Shiva
3. Firefly
4. Hush & Clayface- It's a tie. As much as I want them, Nolan wouldn't do them because he's going for too much reality.

How is Hush not a realistic baddie?

[NinjaTurtleFan]

How is Hush not a realistic baddie?

I just don't think he'd fit in Nolan's universe. I don't know...it's like Black Mask. If they go with an ordinary black mask than he'll fit, but if it's the skull mask it's pushing it.

See what I am saying or no?

[StorminNorman]

I just don't think he'd fit in Nolan's universe. I don't know...it's like Black Mask. If they go with an ordinary black mask than he'll fit, but if it's the skull mask it's pushing it.

See what I am saying or no?

So a gun man with a covered face is pushing it? Hush has a fairly realistic costume, good back story IMO, and would make for an interesting Nolan villian.

[Katsuro]

I just don't think he'd fit in Nolan's universe. I don't know...it's like Black Mask. If they go with an ordinary black mask than he'll fit, but if it's the skull mask it's pushing it.

See what I am saying or no?

There's nothing unrealistic about Hush at all. He covers his face in bandages to hide his identity, what's wrong with that? He's a very real-world villain.

[trustyside-kick]

How is Hush not a realistic baddie?

I do not see how he is not able to fit in this "realistic Nolanverse" either. However, the only reason why I do not want him to make an appearance is because I want him done right and to do so would require to introduce a whole lot more villains before him.

They are signed for 3 films...doubt will go past that...not enough times for enough villains for Hush to appear. Sure they could completely change his origin...but I don't know...

[NinjaTurtleFan]

So a gun man with a covered face is pushing it? Hush has a fairly realistic costume, good back story IMO, and would make for an interesting Nolan villian.

Well, you'd have to stretch out his storyline for people to get it and people are more familiar with characters from the 60's show, cartoon show, and the characters already done in the movies.

I mean he could possibly be done, but I just think the people want to see Joker, Two-Face, Riddler, etc. done right for a change and not bastardized.

[darwinwins]

HUSH sucked. a lot.

/only read the 1st half.
//too pissed to read the 2nd.

[trustyside-kick]

HUSH sucked. a lot.

/only read the 1st half.
//too pissed to read the 2nd.

I loved Hush. Gotham Knights is what killed the character.

[shaggyaggie457]

I mean he could possibly be done, but I just think the people want to see Joker, Two-Face, Riddler, etc. done right for a change and not bastardized.

Joker wasn't bastardized in B89. Nicholson had a great performance as Joker. His performance is considered one of the top 50 movie villains of all time.

[Two-Face]

I love to see Joker again on screen and we haven't seen him for 17 years so yes to Nolan's Joker version.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Joker wasn't bastardized in B89. Nicholson had a great performance as Joker. His performance is considered one of the top 50 movie villains of all time.

Yes, his performance was good and so was his origin, but "Batman Begins" got it right with having Joe Chill being Bruce's parents' killer, not Jack Napier.

And the whole Batman soundtrack with Prince is a bit too distracting, but Nicholson's performance was indeed great that is true there.

[shaggyaggie457]

Yeah, the whole Jack Napier thing was stupid to the nth degree.

I love the soundtrack though. Elfman's score is beautiful. And the Prince song where they vandalize the museum isn't too bad.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Yeah, the whole Jack Napier thing was stupid to the nth degree.

I love the soundtrack though. Elfman's score is beautiful. And the Prince song where they vandalize the museum isn't too bad.

Elfman's score was indeed beautiful, but the Prince song's are blah...Idk...I've never liked the guy as an artist to me he's a copycat Michael Jackson except he doesn't have sleepovers with 8 year-old boys and goes under the knife too much to make himself look like a woman that had sex with a chimp. lol

Also, I have to put up with the "We Love Prince" hoopla here in Minnesota. :mad:

[shaggyaggie457]

Ooh, that sucks.

[Ronny Shade]

Elfman's score was indeed beautiful, but the Prince song's are blah...Idk...I've never liked the guy as an artist to me he's a copycat Michael Jackson except he doesn't have sleepovers with 8 year-old boys and goes under the knife too much to make himself look like a woman that had sex with a chimp. lol

Also, I have to put up with the "We Love Prince" hoopla here in Minnesota. :mad:
YOU'VE NEVER BEEN MORE WRONG IN YOUR LIFE
:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[grabmygladys]

I never wanna see the penguin in another batman movie.

[Avernus]

I never wanna see the penguin in another batman movie.

he'll be nothing more than a mob boss type character...

[shaggyaggie457]

Not to mention I'm sure he won't be as disgusting as Danny DeVito's was. God, he was so nasty in Returns.

[grabmygladys]

I kind of hated Returns because of Devito.

[Lone Wolf]

I never wanna see the penguin in another batman movie.

He'll probably end up being only a cameo, and either a British or Russian arms dealer.

[grabmygladys]

Madonna would make the perfect Catwoman!!:P j/k

[Avernus]

I've heard he would be british...not russian....which makes sense if the guy I've heard for the role would play him...

I forget his name...but he looks like a thinner version of danny devito and he played in unleashed with jet li....

I'm sure someone will come up with the name I was too lazy to find in IMDB.com

[Two-Face]

Bob Hoskins you mean?

[Avernus]

Bob Hoskins you mean?

exactly...I've heard his name for the role..

[Ronny Shade]

Anybody named Cobblepot can automatically not be russian

[Kritish]

Wait Let me this straight, you wanna see Firefly who's lame but you DON'T want The Riddler or The Penguin.

Firefly could be just a crazy arsonist.

[Lone Wolf]

I've heard he would be british...not russian....which makes sense if the guy I've heard for the role would play him...

I forget his name...but he looks like a thinner version of danny devito and he played in unleashed with jet li....

I'm sure someone will come up with the name I was too lazy to find in IMDB.com

There was rumor circling that he would be Russian when Bob Hoskin's name was attached. Then it was debatable considering a lot of people preferred him to be British. Hoskin's was interviewed saying "I'm not doing it" when asked a question, but it wasn't necessarily pointed out what he was saying that too. Not being in the sequel, or not wanting the role of Penguin period.

[Avernus]

There was rumor circling that he would be Russian when Bob Hoskin's name was attached. Then it was debatable considering a lot of people preferred him to be British. Hoskin's was interviewed saying "I'm not doing it" when asked a question, but it wasn't necessarily pointed out what he was saying that too. Not being in the sequel, or not wanting the role of Penguin period.

I take whatever anyone says with a grain of salt at this point...if he was...he wouldn't be allowed to say it anyways...

[trustyside-kick]

Firefly could be just a crazy arsonist.

Yea, while some villains like Firefly, Ventriloquist, and The Mad Hatter do not get much respect in the comics for the "Nolanverse" that is more realistic they could be great.

Firefly- Duh...he is an arsonist.
The Ventriloquist- Hello? Born into a Mafia family...enough said.
The Mad Hatter- Mind control anyone?

[Katsuro]

There was rumor circling that he would be Russian when Bob Hoskin's name was attached. Then it was debatable considering a lot of people preferred him to be British. Hoskin's was interviewed saying "I'm not doing it" when asked a question, but it wasn't necessarily pointed out what he was saying that too. Not being in the sequel, or not wanting the role of Penguin period.

He was never rumored to be Russian, it was British. the original rumor on BOF said British, and some other website misquoted saying Russian, causing confusion.

That's the way I remember it. I'll bet if you check the archives at BOF you could find the original rumor saying he'd be British. Besides, British makes more sense. Does Cobblepot sound like a Russian name?

[Edd Extraordinaire]

After reading the first post in this thread, I realize that punctuation is so important to me.

[blackbyrd]

What about Hush, the former surgeon?

[shaggyaggie457]

Besides, British makes more sense. Does Cobblepot sound like a Russian name?

Well it could be Chzhxhvzhobblepot. Of course then they'd have to spit every time they said his name because that would make you hock a giant loogie.