Creator Bout 5: Battle of the Brits part 3 Ellis vs Morrison

[Elijya]

It’s British psycho show-down, with the two insane masters of modern sci-fi comic story telling, Grant Morrison versus Warren Ellis. Both stand atop a mountain of notable work and prestigious awards, but who’s your favorite? I think this will be a close one.


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Name: Warren Ellis
Age: 38
Nationality: English
Insanity Level: Deranged
Magnum Opus: Transmetropolitan
Other notable works: Planetary, Stormwatch, The Authority, Nextwave, Down, Desolation Jones, Fell, Global Frequency, Ocean, Orbiter, Ultimate Fantastic Four, Ultimate Galactus Trilogy


Versus


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Name: Grant Morrison
Age: 46
Nationality: Scottish
Insanity Level: Demented
Magnum Opus: The Invisibles
Other Notable Works: Animal Man, Doom Patrol, Arkham Asylum, JLA, New X-Men, We3, DC’s Seven Soldiers of Victory, Kid Eternity, Marvel Boy, Seaguy, The Filth

[TheCorpulent1]

Morrison. Based on what I've read by Ellis, Planetary is his best work and, although I haven't actually read it, I hear The Invisibles is kind of what Planetary wishes it could be.

[nite-owl]

Morrison is my favourite writer so I vote for him.

[yenaled]

Yeah Morrison, he's amazing, I havn't read anything by him which is less than stunning - The Filth, We3, Animal Man, his JLA, Invisibles, Arkham Asylum, Kid Etenity... are some of my most well re-read books. As well as his work on the Flash.

And even though I havn't read them I hear 7 Soldiers and All Star Superman are both amazing, at least from the amount of awards them seem to get nominated for.for me anyway.

Although not to knock Ellis, his work is amazing especially Planetary and Transmetropolitan.

Morrison is just that one step more out of reality and that does it for me.

[Elijya]

Morrison. Based on what I've read by Ellis, Planetary is his best work and, although I haven't actually read it, I hear The Invisibles is kind of what Planetary wishes it could be.
That sounds like kind of a harsh judgement when you haven't read it

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, it does, doesn't it? What I have read of each of their respective works makes me believe it nonetheless, though.

[yahman]

Morissons JLA stuff is purely sublime .... WW3 is everything Our world at war was not .... Who would thought that a team with Orion, Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, Aquaman and Batman could work. Even the supporting cast such as Steel and Zauriel had amazing characterization. I loved the tension between Aquaman and Orion (No gay jokes !) and the concept of the Oracle. And his depiction of Kyle and Wally is pure magic. Thanks to Morison Kyle is definitely my favourite Green Lattern. His rogue gallery had everyone from the Shaggyman to the Joker, and I think Prometheus has real potential as serioulsy badass villain as does the Key. U can't help loving Protex and the White Martians as well. Morisson was even able to give the Sandman a cameo that lives up to his illustrious name.

I've started reading the invisibles and i love his New X-men stuff. I cant wait for his Wildstorm revamp and the coming conflict of the Authority and the Wild cats.

Hail the crazzy Scotsman !

[Johnny Blaze]

Morrison...his JLA run is what gives him the nod for me.

[Elijya]

Morissons JLA stuff is purely sublime .... WW3 is everything Our world at war was not .... Who would thought that a team with Orion, Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, Aquaman and Batman could work.
yeah, getting a team to work when there're two Batman is pretty frikkin hard. Imagine those two egos clashing.



:D

[TheFalcon]

Grant Morrison by a mile.

I liked Ellis' Planetary and Global Frequency, but everything I've read by Morrison has been great.

I haven't read Transmetropolitan, but I haven't read Invisibles either so they cancel each other out. They're both still on my to buy list.

[Elijya]

I go with Ellis, he is consistently entertaining and insightful, and I'm rarely disappointed. Morrison I always feel tries to hard and it goes over my head, leaving whatever I'm reading feeling dry and dull. We3 was great, but it read like it coulda been any of the awesome sci-fi minis Ellis pumps out on a regular basis.

[Lackey]

Morrison is able to work within and apart from major universe continuity unlike Ellis.

Although I liked Transmet more than The Invisibles, it's not enough to tip the scales in Ellis's favor.

You also forgot "The Filth" for notable works by Morrison. That one's pretty damn good.

[yahman]

yeah, getting a team to work when there're two Batman is pretty frikkin hard. Imagine those two egos clashing.



:D

Yeah im sure theres an issue when there are two batmans (Yahman goes moulin rogue)

[Whirlysplat]

Yeah im sure theres an issue when there are two batmans (Yahman goes moulin rogue)

Yahman meet Eli

Eli meet Yahman

- Whirly

[PWN3R]

Don't call your mom or the doctor, pick up the phone and call Nextwave!

:D

[Elijya]

Don't call your mom or the doctor, pick up the phone and call Nextwave!

:D
I take it that's a vote for Ellis?
Yahman meet Eli

Eli meet Yahman

- Whirly
We've met. On that Batman note, though, imagine if that happened with Wolverine? People often joke about how he's in so many places at once, what if that literally happened in a story? Like, the Avengers are talking to the X-men on some video conference or something, and Wolverine is standing on both sides of the screen? :D

[Whirlysplat]

I take it that's a vote for Ellis?

We've met. On that Batman note, though, imagine if that happened with Wolverine? People often joke about how he's in so many places at once, what if that literally happened in a story? Like, the Avengers are talking to the X-men on some videro conference or something, and Wolverine is standing on both sides of the screen? :D

It would make an excellent parody issue.

- Whirly

[The Question]

You know, I may get bashed for this, but I didn't think Morrison's JLA run was as mind ****ingly amazing as everyone says. I liked it, don't get me wrong, but it had some flaws aswell. Mostly from the fact that Batman and Superman were written a tad too over the top for my tastes. Batman was basically superhuman in this book, and some of Superman's feats borderlines on godhood. Plus, after Rock of Ages, it seemed that Morrison ddin't know how to write Orion if he wasn't the focus of the story, so he just made him the token angry guy who hits stuff.



That being said, I ****ing love Animal Man, and I've heard great things about Doom Patrol. Really, though, I've read more of Ellis' stuff than Morrison's. Until I read more of Morrison, I say tie.

[The Leaguer]

Morrison, durr.

[TheCorpulent1]

I think it should be noted that Morrison's much sexier than Ellis, as well. Look at that bald, gleaming, perfect orb he calls a head.

[The Leaguer]

Morrison is sexier than everyone.

[The Question]

I always thought Morrison looked like Lex Luthor.

[Elijya]

I think it should be noted that Morrison's much sexier than Ellis, as well. Look at that bald, gleaming, perfect orb he calls a head.
While looking for a picture, I stumbled upon photos of Grant posing for a softcore porn site in his underwear

It should also be noted Grant Morrison has publicly **** his own pants.

[Lackey]

You know, I may get bashed for this, but I didn't think Morrison's JLA run was as mind ****ingly amazing as everyone says. I liked it, don't get me wrong, but it had some flaws aswell. Mostly from the fact that Batman and Superman were written a tad too over the top for my tastes. Batman was basically superhuman in this book, and some of Superman's feats borderlines on godhood. Plus, after Rock of Ages, it seemed that Morrison ddin't know how to write Orion if he wasn't the focus of the story, so he just made him the token angry guy who hits stuff.



That being said, I ****ing love Animal Man, and I've heard great things about Doom Patrol. Really, though, I've read more of Ellis' stuff than Morrison's. Until I read more of Morrison, I say tie.


You're our resident Batman hater...of course you don't like Morrison's JLA run ;)

[The Question]

I don't hate Batman. He's one of my favorite characters. I just don't like how alot of people have written him over the years.

[PWN3R]

I take it that's a vote for Ellis?



I really don't know who to pick. Morrison's New X-men was sexy too....:confused: :(

[TheCorpulent1]

It should also be noted Grant Morrison has publicly **** his own pants.
Good God, he just keeps getting more awesome. :o

[Elijya]

yes, I'm sure if you were stuck next to him when that happened, you'd have been so amazed you'd have started licking it up :p

[TheCorpulent1]

There's nothing wrong with letting a little coprophilia into your closed-minded life. :mad:

[yenaled]

It should also be noted Grant Morrison has publicly **** his own pants.

I think you'll find in Scotland that is a formal greeting.

[Elijya]

I thought that was head butting?

[yenaled]

That's more informal, you don't headbutt at business meetings.

[yahman]

I thought that was head butting?

No.... that is only in parts of Glasgow. Scottland has given us loads of great stuff ; Iron Bru, Trainspotting ummmmmmm ?

Morisson all the way .... he brought Emma Frost to the X-men, made Gladaitor wet his pants, Magneto scary again, and has made me interseted in subway pirates ?

Isn't the Invibles partially responsible for the firt Matrix movies ?

[Lackey]

There's nothing wrong with letting a little coprophilia into your closed-minded life. :mad:


decided that copro- sounded better than scato- ? :confused:

[Lackey]

Isn't the Invibles partially responsible for the firt Matrix movies ?



...or so they say.

[Whirlysplat]

No.... that is only in parts of Glasgow. Scottland has given us loads of great stuff ; Iron Bru, Trainspotting ummmmmmm ?

Morisson all the way .... he brought Emma Frost to the X-men, made Gladaitor wet his pants, Magneto scary again, and has made me interseted in subway pirates ?

Isn't the Invibles partially responsible for the firt Matrix movies ?

Yes the invisibles is Yahs, I did a thread on it in a certain other place you still frequent, if you want to look there. The Warchowskis stole from lots of places.

- Whirly

[Themanofbat]

Ellis' work on Transmet is great, but he can't write anything decent that isn't his own creation.

Morrison stands alone with St. Swithin's Day in my opinion...

But his work on Invisibles, Animal Man (issue #5, "The Coyote Gospel" is a remarkable read), Arkham Asylum, and Aztek (a great DC title that ended too early :mad: :( ).

If it weren't for a few gems that Ellis created on his own, I'd consider him to be a too-bit hack if I based my opinion on his Marvel/DC works.

:)

[The Question]

Actually, I don't think any of the characters in Authority are his own creations. Although, I might be wrong. And, many of the characters in Planetary were based on already existing characters, and he did fine with them.

[Sandman138]

This is a damn tough one, but I'm going with Ellis. What I've read of Transmetropolitan is amazing. Add The Authority and Planetary to the list and I'm sold. We3 and Arkham Asylum were amazing, but Ellis just takes the cake.

[TheCorpulent1]

decided that copro- sounded better than scato- ? :confused:
"Scatophilia" isn't a real word, as far as I could tell. It sounded odd to me, so I looked it up. I didn't use "coprophilia" in the first place because I'd gotten it confused with "coprophage," which is something that could be better or worse, depending on how you look at it.

[Sandman138]

The word is scatological.

[TheCorpulent1]

Which word? That's an awfully disgusting quality for a word to have. :(

[Orko Is King]

While looking for a picture, I stumbled upon photos of Grant posing for a softcore porn site in his underwear

It should also be noted Grant Morrison has publicly **** his own pants.

LMAO! When did he **** himself and why? Isn't the guy on meth or something? That's what I heard.

[Elijya]

something like that

[nite-owl]

Well, he did know some stoners when he was younger.

[Sandman138]

Just picked up an issue of Desolation Jones for the first time, I'm now sure I made the right choice.

[Elijya]

clumpbump

[Anubis]

Wow, where the hell is Lackey?

[Max J Power]

Morrison.

[Aristotle]

Oh you dirty bastard. How can I vote on this? Morrison's JLA is unstoppable, as are his Animal Man, Doom Patrol, Arkham Asylum, Kid Eternity, Seven Soldiers, and Seaguy but so is Ellis on Hellblazer, Planetary, Desolation Jones, Authority, Fell, and Bad World.

I guess in the end I go with Morrison, but just barely.