Superman on film - the bigger picture.

[Mentok]

I have been thinking about this for a while now. Regardless of what you personally think about the new Superman film there is a bigger movement taking place.

Not too long ago it was common knowledge that getting a Superman film on screen was an impossible task. For over a decade this is what people thought whenever Superman was mentioned.

Singer has shown that Superman can be brought back to the screen.

If this series is a total success or a big failure there is one thing it has brought us...



... The knowledge that Superman is not an impossible project to get on screen and I doubt it will be another 20 years after Singers films before we see him again.

Personally, I want too see many Directors and Actors bring many different versions of the Mythos to the screen... And thats the only way most fans will be happy.

So, if you like this film or not, think of the bigger picture. This is a good step for Superman.

[Tony Stark]

It can be brought back, but it has to be done the right way, and I think Singer and company took the wrong route.

Everyone freaked out at what Burton and Abrams were trying to do, but at least they were trying to do something new.

The point is, someone could have taken their work as a starting point, and then changed things about to make it more acceptable. I draw the comparison of James Cameron's Spider-Man scriptment, which if you've ever read it, is horrible. But Rami took that as the basis for the Spider-Man movie, he changed alot of things, and that movie made close to 400 million.

I think someone could have taken the Abrams script, changed the objectionable material (i.e. Krypton not being destroyed, Lex Luthor being an alien), and gone forward with it.

There have been so many different interpretations of Superman, that a fresh approach could have been taken. Look at the difference between the George Reves TV series, the movies with Christopher Reeve, the Lois and Clark TV series, and Smallville.

There are so many differnet routes that could have been taken, but instead, Singer is carpet bagging off the success of a 30 year old movie. I just don't think it's gonna work. I hope I'm wrong.

[chi-boy]

Wait til you see how it does in theatres before you jump to a conclusion. For all we know it could stink balls. And Singer really isn't taking any new risks. He's just rehashing what Donner did 20 years ago.

[블라스]

Only, it won't.

[chi-boy]

Only, it won't.

Yes, it will.

[sf2]

the trailer is out. the fans are still split. what do you think?

[JamalYIgle]

There are so many differnet routes that could have been taken, but instead, Singer is carpet bagging off the success of a 30 year old movie.

How can it be considered carpetbagging when it not only has the blessing of the studio but also Dick Donner, the original director?

[chi-boy]

They should have gone with a supervillian. A tragic figure that is being manipulated by Luthor to fight Superman. That would have been sweet.

[Zakk Sabbath]

The sequel, my friend. This one is about Superman/Clark/Kal-El/Mork From Ork having to reckon with a force stronger than any villian or Kryptonite: His own heart. This is gonna be a hell of a flick, and after seeing the trailer, I can honestly say, I think the kid is gonna bring a lot to the story. Something that doesn't necessarily need to be included years down the road from now, as Mentok said. I mean, Clark married Lois in the comics and on L&C, and you don't see that in this film. You don't see any of Clark's ties with Lex and Lois from Smallville in this film. It's just another interpretation, and if you don't like it, Christopher Reeve starred in 4 wonderful movies a couple decades ago. Stick to those until "Superman Begins" comes out in 2025.

[chi-boy]

The sequel, my friend. This one is about Superman/Clark/Kal-El/Mork From Ork having to reckon with a force stronger than any villian or Kryptonite: His own heart. This is gonna be a hell of a flick, and after seeing the trailer, I can honestly say, I think the kid is gonna bring a lot to the story. Something that doesn't necessarily need to be included years down the road from now, as Mentok said. I mean, Clark married Lois in the comics and on L&C, and you don't see that in this film. You don't see any of Clark's ties with Lex and Lois from Smallville in this film. It's just another interpretation, and if you don't like it, Christopher Reeve starred in 4 wonderful movies a couple decades ago. Stick to those until "Superman Begins" comes out in 2025.

Even if it does go that route I doubt Singer and his band of hack writers will be able to successfully pull it off with any emotional resonance. Just look at the X-men films, they were chock full of bland, self-referential dialogue that constantly reminded you that you were watching a comicbook movie. There was no depth behind any of it. From the trailer, it looks like SR will be the same way.

[Mentok]

Wait til you see how it does in theatres before you jump to a conclusion. For all we know it could stink balls. And Singer really isn't taking any new risks. He's just rehashing what Donner did 20 years ago.

Regardless of how this series does, WB now know that getting a film off the ground is not an impossible task. They now know it, Directors now know it and producers now know it.

What is it with you not even reading/understanding my posts?

[skruloos]

Just look at the X-men films, they were chock full of bland, self-referential dialogue that constantly reminded you that you were watching a comicbook movie.
Well that's a new one. The one thing I've read about most in the X-boards is that Singer's X-Men didn't respect enough that it was a comicbook movie. And the only two instances of self-referential dialogue I can recall was Cyclops' crack about wearing yellow spandex and Logan making fun of their codenames.

[Oldguy]

I have been thinking about this for a while now. Regardless of what you personally think about the new Superman film there is a bigger movement taking place.
Not too long ago it was common knowledge that getting a Superman film on screen was an impossible task. For over a decade this is what people thought whenever Superman was mentioned.
Singer has shown that Superman can be brought back to the screen.
If this series is a total success or a big failure there is one thing it has brought us...
... The knowledge that Superman is not an impossible project to get on screen and I doubt it will be another 20 years after Singers films before we see him again.
Personally, I want too see many Directors and Actors bring many different versions of the Mythos to the screen... And thats the only way most fans will be happy.
So, if you like this film or not, think of the bigger picture. This is a good step for Superman.

Mentok, you seem to be under the impression that Superman "needs" a movie, that there is some sort of imperative that he be featured in a hollywood movie. That simply isn't the case. Most Superman fans are happy because of the comic books made about him. We don't have to wait 30 years between stories like the casual fans do.

Instead of holding your breath waiting for directors and actors to bring their versions of the mythos to the screen, why don't you go buy a comic book?

[Mentok]

Mentok, you seem to be under the impression that Superman "needs" a movie, that there is some sort of imperative that he be featured in a hollywood movie. That simply isn't the case. Most Superman fans are happy because of the comic books made about him. We don't have to wait 30 years between stories like the casual fans do.

Did I say Superman needs a film? No. I do however like Superman in all forms. Film is one of them. I am just showing how much thinking has changed as far as Superman in film is concerned.

The point is Superman is no longer the impossible project.

Who says people interested in the films are casual fans? I guess because I dont buy every single comic Im not a real Superman fan then?

A hell of alot of Superman fans do want him in film.

Instead of holding your breath waiting for directors and actors to bring their versions of the mythos to the screen, why don't you go buy a comic book?

:rolleyes:

[Il_Siciliano]

I wouldn't worry whether the movie fails or not (I don't think it will). Superman is a cultural icon. T Kirk Alyn, George Reeves, STM, Lois&Clark STAS Smalville and SR prove that here will always be new depictions of Superman in different mediums, just like there'll always be a Tarzan a Zorro a Dracula etc. 30 years from now we'll be arguing about a new version of Superman not respectful of the Singer tradition. Who knows.

[The Game]

Mentok, you seem to be under the impression that Superman "needs" a movie, that there is some sort of imperative that he be featured in a hollywood movie. That simply isn't the case. Most Superman fans are happy because of the comic books made about him. We don't have to wait 30 years between stories like the casual fans do.

Instead of holding your breath waiting for directors and actors to bring their versions of the mythos to the screen, why don't you go buy a comic book?

Co-sizzle

[Mentok]

I best get to a comic book store before I have more elitism thrust upon me :rolleyes:

[The Game]

I best get to a comic book store before I have more elitism thrust upon me :rolleyes:

what you waiting around for go now damn it :p

[Mentok]

what you waiting around for go now damn it :p

Its dark and cold outside :(

[MJB]

There are so many great and imaginative things that can be done with Superman, and Singer rehash's old material. Expalin to me again why this guy is so talented??????????? Look I trust Singer to know that the movie won't suck, but nothing nbew is going to be brought to the table.

[The Kid]

it boggles my mind mjb. boggles it good.

He already knows he's not alone because of zod and his crew who all got sucked into his fortress or some **** so why the long journey to a bunch of space debris that used to be krypton? In all, why go back to krypton period. what's there to see?

Moriarty knows.........tell us mo......tell us that everything REALLy ties back to smallville, ok maybe not since the ma kent is so old but I wish it did.

[Nivek]

Moriarty knows.........tell us mo......tell us that everything REALLy ties back to smallville, ok maybe not since the ma kent is so old but I wish it did.

Kryptonite gives people powers, yeah, thats a great element established I want to see on the big screen. And instead of stalking and obsessing about Lois, let's see him do the same thing with Lana Lang for 5+ years! Go Smallville, the only good thing done with Superman.



"Sombody SSSSAAAAAAaavve meeeeee!!!!!"

[The Kid]

What's wrong with kryptonite giving people powers? It's a hell of a rock.

[GothicPowerMix1]

Kryptonite gives people powers, yeah, thats a great element established I want to see on the big screen. And instead of stalking and obsessing about Lois, let's see him do the same thing with Lana Lang for 5+ years! Go Smallville, the only good thing done with Superman.



"Sombody SSSSAAAAAAaavve meeeeee!!!!!"

CRAPPY ASS THEME SONG

It is a Show about the guy who in the end becomes Superman. Id have prefer there be a Score Track during the Titles or just the Title Smallville & then Credits in the beginning of an Episode

[Nivek]

What's wrong with kryptonite giving people powers? It's a hell of a rock.

Nothing if you want to rename the substance "Plotdevice". Not only does it give clark radioactive food posioning, but It makes the nerdy computer geek control over electricity and remove girls panties with a thought. Its like Scott Baio's Zapped movie mixed with Superman lore. Good stuff.

[The Kid]

I don't like the freak of the week crap by the way, I'm just wondering what's wrong with kryptonite giving a person powers because it really is a hell of a rock.

[Oldguy]

Did I say Superman needs a film?
Originally Posted by Mentok
I have been thinking about this for a while now. Regardless of what you personally think about the new Superman film there is a bigger movement taking place.
Not too long ago it was common knowledge that getting a Superman film on screen was an impossible task. For over a decade this is what people thought whenever Superman was mentioned.
Singer has shown that Superman can be brought back to the screen.
If this series is a total success or a big failure there is one thing it has brought us...
... The knowledge that Superman is not an impossible project to get on screen and I doubt it will be another 20 years after Singers films before we see him again.
Personally, I want too see many Directors and Actors bring many different versions of the Mythos to the screen... And thats the only way most fans will be happy.
So, if you like this film or not, think of the bigger picture. This is a good step for Superman.

You do realize these posts of yours are quotable, right? The inference is palatable, but who am I to piss on your spin? We all need to appreciate SR, because it's a good step for Superman?

:down:

[Tony Stark]

I don't want Superman to come back to the screen if it's going to be crap. The last thing we need is another Batman and Robin.

Now I don't think it will be that bad, but I've not been impressed with anything I've seen since the teaser trailer.

[Bibs11]

Mentok, you seem to be under the impression that Superman "needs" a movie, that there is some sort of imperative that he be featured in a hollywood movie. That simply isn't the case. Most Superman fans are happy because of the comic books made about him. We don't have to wait 30 years between stories like the casual fans do.

Instead of holding your breath waiting for directors and actors to bring their versions of the mythos to the screen, why don't you go buy a comic book?

I agree with Mentok on this one....Superman DOES "need" a movie. Every other superhero has basically had one in the past five years...why not the best? Let's bring Big Blue back to the silver screen where he belongs and back in the public eye...I've heard too much BS about how Superman is too "good" and doesn't fit in to society today. I want that proved wrong by a successful box office showing and a great film!

[CGHulk]

Kryptonite gives people powers, yeah, thats a great element established I want to see on the big screen. And instead of stalking and obsessing about Lois, let's see him do the same thing with Lana Lang for 5+ years! Go Smallville, the only good thing done with Superman.



"Sombody SSSSAAAAAAaavve meeeeee!!!!!"
Ok here we go, more Smallville attacks!! :rolleyes:

[Mentok]

Originally Posted by Mentok
I have been thinking about this for a while now. Regardless of what you personally think about the new Superman film there is a bigger movement taking place.
Not too long ago it was common knowledge that getting a Superman film on screen was an impossible task. For over a decade this is what people thought whenever Superman was mentioned.
Singer has shown that Superman can be brought back to the screen.
If this series is a total success or a big failure there is one thing it has brought us...
... The knowledge that Superman is not an impossible project to get on screen and I doubt it will be another 20 years after Singers films before we see him again.
Personally, I want too see many Directors and Actors bring many different versions of the Mythos to the screen... And thats the only way most fans will be happy.
So, if you like this film or not, think of the bigger picture. This is a good step for Superman.

You do realize these posts of yours are quotable, right? The inference is palatable, but who am I to piss on your spin? We all need to appreciate SR, because it's a good step for Superman?

:down:

OLDGUY, I still didnt say Superman needs a film. I do however like Superman in film and want too see different versions of him in film.

Thats not saying he needs a film, rather, I want him in film.

What I am saying is, if you dont like SR and like seeing Superman in film things have changed drastically. I personally see Superman in film being a much easier process now.

There is no spin about it. It just turns out you are jaded.

The whole elitism crap you have been pulling recently is wearing thin. Its only because you wanted something different anyway.

[Oldguy]

...The whole elitism crap you have been pulling recently is wearing thin. Its only because you wanted something different anyway.

Elitism? Oh is that my new label?

Of course I wanted something different, Ive seen StM 1000 ****ing times over the last 28 years.

[Venom71]

Elitism? Oh is that my new label?

Of course I wanted something different, Ive seen StM 1000 ****ing times over the last 28 years.
If you hate everything about this movie so much and can do nothing but cry and stomp your feet like a spoiled little girl because you are not getting the Superman movie you wanted why keep posting here? Just go and read your precious Superman comics take your pills and forget about SR....maybe you will be a happier camper if you do...your whining is getting OLD!:down

[The Kid]

Ok here we go, more Smallville attacks!! :rolleyes:
well I hate when people attack my favorite things but I love to attack theirs. lol

[lazur]

As I've said many times, Singer has a history of making decent films. He's a capable and successful movie-maker. At the LEAST, this movie will be just okay, which is perfectly fine by me because it'll still be a good movie. But, given Singer's track record and passion for good movie-making, I tend to believe it'll be better than that.

Edit: That's not to say I'm just putting blind faith in him. But it is to say that he gets a very generous benefit of the doubt from me.

[supzfan]

Kids need heroes they can look up to. For me it was George Reeves. Those memories of him hurtling into the air, crashing through walls and throwing bad guys around while standing for "Truth, Justice and The American Way" had a significant and lasting impact on my life. Just like Chris Reeve had for the next generation. Just like, hopefully, Brandon Routh will have for this generation of kids. The world desperately needs Superman, now more than ever. And while there is much about this movie that bothers me, it really doesn't matter. I'm a big boy now and this ain't MY Superman. And it shouldn't be. I already lived my youth. This is today's kids' chance. Singer has been entrusted with bringing to life the greatest hero of them all and he's obligated to making this the best movie possible, in every way, for them! If he mucks this up then he'll be betraying that trust given to him by millions of kids around the world. And that would be unforgiveable. So he better not drop the ball. This stuff matters, BIG TIME! It always has and always will.

[chi-boy]

Kids need heroes they can look up to. For me it was George Reeves. Those memories of him hurtling into the air, crashing through walls and throwing bad guys around while standing for "Truth, Justice and The American Way" had a significant and lasting impact on my life. Just like Chris Reeve had for the next generation. Just like, hopefully, Brandon Routh will have for this generation of kids. The world desperately needs Superman, now more than ever. And while there is much about this movie that bothers me, it really doesn't matter. I'm a big boy now and this ain't MY Superman. And it shouldn't be. I already lived my youth. This is today's kids' chance. Singer has been entrusted with bringing to life the greatest hero of them all and he's obligated to making this the best movie possible, in every way, for them! If he mucks this up then he'll be betraying that trust given to him by millions of kids around the world. And that would be unforgiveable. So he better not drop the ball. This stuff matters, BIG TIME! It always has and always will.

It's just a movie dude.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

As I've said many times, Singer has a history of making decent films. He's a capable and successful movie-maker. At the LEAST, this movie will be just okay, which is perfectly fine by me because it'll still be a good movie. But, given Singer's track record and passion for good movie-making, I tend to believe it'll be better than that.

Edit: That's not to say I'm just putting blind faith in him. But it is to say that he gets a very generous benefit of the doubt from me.

My fear is that as a MOVIE in and of itself, SR will be very good if not great. However as a hardcore Superman fan having things altered and new plot twists explored (such as Lois' relationship with Richard, and being a mother) there could be an issue for some. It's possible that non Superman buffs may end up thinking of SR as being a good/great movie because they aren't held down to past mythos. Wouldn't that be interesting? As Superman fans we've been afraid the general public won't like SR but we will. WHAT IF (you know me and those what if's) it is the opposite and the general fans LOVE it, while Superman oldbies are left scratching their head. A good movie on its own merit yet not enough to make hardcore Superman fans joyous. What a mind trip :eek:

[The Fallen]

Its dark and cold outside :(

Yeah! It's raining over here.. and I was gonna go comic hunting tomorrow damnit!

[lazur]

WHAT IF (you know me and those what if's) it is the opposite and the general fans LOVE it, while Superman oldbies are left scratching their head. A good movie on its own merit yet not enough to make hardcore Superman fans joyous. What a mind trip :eek:

Then that means Singer will have succeeded. You can't tailor a movie around the fanatics or "fan boys". You have to aim for the general audience, considering that's about 90% of who will go to see the movie.

The rest of us will just have to adjust to the norm.

[Super78]

Save for the kid, overall I like what I've seen and heard about Returns.

To me, the definitive Superman movie was Donner's 78 original -- and even II was great also.

So, I like the fact that Singer has used those as his benchmark.

You see, if he went into a completely different direction, fans would've been pissed.

He could've went with a completley different costume, but only slightly altered it.

He could've went with Superman having longer hair, but went with the traditional shorter do.

I think Singer tried to stick with the formula that had worked for Donner and added some new elements as well.

If it feels like a re-hash, who cares! Just be glad that after nearly twenty years, the Man of Steel is returning to the big screen!:supes:

[chi-boy]

Hey, it's too bad we're not getting something cool like this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=geKjvg0rI9c&search=superman%20darkseid

[The Kid]

we don't know that yet but hell yes that'd be kool

[chi-boy]

we don't know that yet but hell yes that'd be kool

Your avatar turns me on.

[The Kid]

ok.

[Nivek]

Your avatar turns me on.


Well, at least you can blame any spelling mistakes here on sticky keys, and we'll know why now.

And with that, G'night people.

Remember Tommorrow is free comic book day!

[Mentok]

Hey, it's too bad we're not getting something cool like this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=geKjvg0rI9c&search=superman%20darkseid

Thats the best non comic book Superman moment ever IMO.

[The Kid]

your opinion is a fact.

too bad darkseid pulled out some sort of bull**** device he had up his ass and punkd superman with it after all that happened. I was thinking that superman would finally just beat him straight to hell instead of being shocked or whatever stupid thing that was.

[Oldguy]

Oh, I'd even say it's right up there with any incarnation.

[Mentok]

your opinion is a fact.

too bad darkseid pulled out some sort of bull**** device he had up his ass and punkd superman with it after all that happened. I was thinking that superman would finally just beat him straight to hell instead of being shocked or whatever stupid thing that was.

Yeah, I didnt like the ending to that... It was a little annoying.