How was FNSM this week?

[ragingdemon155]

Passed it up this week again. Just curious how was it? Was it worth picking up?

[Citizen_Kaine]

No, it was all set up, basically Ben is from an alternate uni where Aunt May died, and Peter became an ass because of it. Anyway Ben somehow stumbles in 616 uni and runs into Peter, and than Hobgoblin 2011 shows up

Really boring, the scenario has been done to death many many times, and I don't give two ****s about any Hobgoblin who doesn't have the last name Kingsley

Thinking about dropping this, along with Unlimited (Sheesh that was awful)

[ragingdemon155]

No, it was all set up, basically Ben is from an alternate uni where Aunt May died, and Peter became an ass because of it. Anyway Ben somehow stumbles in 616 uni and runs into Peter, and than Hobgoblin 2011 shows up

Really boring, the scenario has been done to death many many times, and I don't give two ****s about any Hobgoblin who doesn't have the last name Kingsley

Thinking about dropping this, along with Unlimited (Sheesh that was awful)

Well that answers that.

Heh and to think...PAD was supposed to be the "saviour" for the 616 Spider titles. Damn it's a shame FNSM has been so lackluster, I was really looking forward to it.

FNSM #5 was amazing though and I loved it. But after that...nothing in the near future for FNSM seems to really be capturing my attention.

[Dangerous]

Well I aint quiting it baby.
It's all about those tasty full runs, even if they ain't that tasty right now.

[Dragon]

Another padded out arc. It figures. Well, i'm looking forward to seeing what Loeb & Campbell can do.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

This' why I said not to praise PAD before issue 1 ever freakin' came out. 'Cause based on Claremont's Uncanny & Miller's All-Star performance, there was a clear indication that some of these guys can't return to characters they once made good with th' same quality. An' so far, PAD's makin' me glad I read all his earlier Spidey's BEFORE pickin' up this series.

[shinlyle]

This' why I said not to praise PAD before issue 1 ever freakin' came out. 'Cause based on Claremont's Uncanny & Miller's All-Star performance, there was a clear indication that some of these guys can't return to characters they once made good with th' same quality. An' so far, PAD's makin' me glad I read all his earlier Spidey's BEFORE pickin' up this series.

*vomits on keyboard*

I could have done without ever hearing about All Star Batman & Robin again. What a horrible book.

As for FNSM, I'm dropping it when I go up to the shop this Saturday. I hate to do it, as I love 'Ringo's artwork, but I can't contribute money to a book that has that bad a story behind it.

It's just over. That leaves me with Sensational and Ultimate.

[Dangerous]

Atleast there is Sensational, bar the costume change that is a fine book.

[ragingdemon155]

Atleast there is Sensational, bar the costume change that is a fine book.

I agree. Sensationl has been very good the first couple of issues. A little upset that I have to look at that Iron Spidey costume for the rest of the arc though. Hope that doesn't destroy it for me.:mad:

[shinlyle]

I think all of the books would be 25% less painful to read if we didn't have to stare at that eyesore....:mad:

[Captivated]

I can't believe how disappointed I was... not just with this, but, pretty much with EVERYTHING I bought yesterday. I spent $17+ on 5 comics (CW1, FNSM, SMUL, USM, MASM) and the ONLY one that gave me pleasure was (surprisingly) Marvel Adventures Spider-Man.

FNSM SPOILERS:

Most have seen the preview pages... Peter comes home to find, not Uncle Ben murdered, but Aunt May being carried off by an ambulance. She died falling down a flight of stairs.

Later, a tearful Peter and Uncle Ben are at the cemetary. This is where the story hits its first sour note... Ben moans to Peter ""She did the thinking for both of us. I've got no knack for handling money... what little we'd get in. Don't know how I'm going to pay the bills now."

WHAT? HUH? I never pictured Uncle Ben... Mr "with great power comes great responsibility" being such an addled wuss. He's worried that he's too irresponsible to pay the bills?! Right.

Peter immediately takes over... tough talking... here's how it's going to be, so get with the program uncle... He tells Ben he's Spider-Man, makes Ben his agent and goes into show business.

Fast forward months (may-be a year or two) Ben and Peter are in the living room of their home. Ben is answering Peter's fan mail and Peter is reading the paper. They get into an argument because Ben thinks Peter should help answer the mail and Peter says "Farm it out to someone who cares." Ben replies, "you used to care..." Peter responds shouting "I said I didn't want to do this, for the love of..." and with that he SMASHES a table. Just happened to be the first peice of furniture May and Ben bought as a couple... The argument continued, Peter acting spoiled and Ben being a doormat.

It make me feel icky to see Peter, my hero, act like such a self-centered jerk, and then my sense of logic kicked in and the whole thing just seemed too false. :mad:

I just can't buy that, even under these circumstances, Peter would have become such a BRAT, the way he is portrayed here. The reason Uncle Ben's death made a difference in Peter's life was because he had a fairly sensitive conscience to begin with. He was a basically GOOD person that got side-tracked, and was open to the lesson when it came. Another person, would have been all, too bad, so sad, and gone on with show business.

Peter then moves out of their house, gets another agent and apparently never calls home. We later see Ben trying to get a call through to Peter with no luck. Another scene has him going to a "Spider-Man" movie.

He's walking home thinking about the birthday present Peter had sent him... that it was obviously sent by a secretary, because his name was spelled wrong, but at least he had remembered to write the date down... He looks up and finds that his house has burned down!

Ben flags down a cop and, you guessed it, finds out that he has somehow stumbled into someone else's life... The house burned awhile back and "Ben" died several years ago... Alarmed, Ben walks quickly away from the cops and goes to the cemetary where he sees his own grave. It is there that the Hobgoblin appears to him.

Hobby says "think of me as the ghost of Spider-Man's past, present... and future... all rolled into one. So how about it Ben Parker. To see your wife and nephew? What would you give for that opportunity?" "Anything" he says. And with that Hobby grabs him and flys away.

The next scene is Spider-Man (our Iron-Spidey) on a cell phone, taking to Jarvis who is in the restaurant. Jarvis tells him what happened, that May is upset and wants to leave. Jarvis is preventing that because he is afraid it could be an enemy of Spider-Man trying to trick them. (Can tell he's been hanging around super heroes for awhile!)

Spider-Man goes in the direction Ben was seen walking and catches up to him. He thinks he is a brilliant imposter, but is really startled when Ben says, "Peter, is that you under there?"

Hobby throws a pumkin bomb at them which Spidey avoids. Holding onto Ben, they look up and see the Hobgoblin hovering above them... "Excellent reflexes! Better than any of your successors! And believe me. I've faced a number of them. See time is always on my side, what with my being the Hobgoblin from the year 2011!" To be continued....

Like I said... I did not buy - or want to see - Peter acting like such an a-hole. Left a really bad taste in my mouth. And I'm NOT into the current, multi-title plot line, that has Peter being just ONE of MANY Spider-Men. Makes him unspecial... less unique... I don't like it. I'm also not into time travel on this level. But after the first two strikes, it was a minor beef.

I seriously doubt I will pick up the next issue. :(

[Effect]

Doubt if the Iron Spidey suit wasn't there that people would be complaining less. People in general would just fill the void with something else. Don't just single out the new suit as source of problems.

[shinlyle]

Doubt if the Iron Spidey suit wasn't there that people would be complaining less. People in general would just fill the void with something else. Don't just single out the new suit as source of problems.

The suit sucks. It's not the problem with the books, but it doesn't help. It's a constant reminder of a bad storyline, and Peter flying around with it on doesn't help.

The writing, constant continuity errors, and total disregard for the character are everyone's main beefs. The costume is just a visible manifestation of said aberration.

[LarryLegend]

That sounds horrible. Poor characterization, poor plot. And Peter David was the chosen one.

[Mara Jane]

Eh, I can buy that Pete in another universe would have been a jerk. Pete in this uni has been a jerk, but it's lessened a lot over time. If he never learned the "great power, etc." lesson, he probably would have become someone I wouldn't want to know. As for Uncle Ben coming across as incompetent, I'm at a loss for words on that and the only paltry explanation I can think of is that it;s just another universe, so he would be different there, too. *shrug*

This story reads so much like a What If? that it's hard to get into.

[ragingdemon155]

What is PAD planning for FNSM after this "Hobgoblin" arc going on right now?

[shinlyle]

What is PAD planning for FNSM after this "Hobgoblin" arc going on right now?

I don't know. The solicits for July still have this craptastic arc going on.

[ragingdemon155]

I don't know. The solicits for July still have this craptastic arc going on.

Meh....Damn

heh heh, laughing at all the suckers that thought PAD was here to save the day.:D

I was one of them though....:(

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Tried to warn you all...

[Citizen_Kaine]

That sounds horrible. Poor characterization, poor plot. And Peter David was the chosen one.

http://www.paul.aic.co.uk/blog/epiii/13.jpg

"You were The Chosen One!

It was said that you would destory Joey Q and JMS, not join them!

Bring balance to Marvel Comics, not leave it in ****tiness!"

[shinlyle]

Next, you should put a picture of Anakin saying:

"You're just afraid of CHANGE!!"

[Captivated]

Eh, I can buy that Pete in another universe would have been a jerk. Pete in this uni has been a jerk, but it's lessened a lot over time. If he never learned the "great power, etc." lesson, he probably would have become someone I wouldn't want to know. As for Uncle Ben coming across as incompetent, I'm at a loss for words on that and the only paltry explanation I can think of is that it;s just another universe, so he would be different there, too. *shrug*

This story reads so much like a What If? that it's hard to get into.

Yeah... Peter has had his moments of self-absorbed insensitivity... but they tend to be short lived and he typically repents.

When I think of someone who had it all, powers and popularity, I think of Jonny Storm. He started off with less depth and sensitivity than Peter, and he didn't become a jerk to this level.

What ARE the rules here with the "time" thing? Are these different universes? Hobby didn't say anything about that... just referred to the past, present and future... But we know that if you change the past, you alter the future, right? But how could May dying, instead of Ben, be an alteration of the past, when she is NOW in a restaurant with Jarvis. :(

You know... this is like a "What if..." that is a big "So what."

But I have to add, THE ART WAS GOOD! Ringo did a great job. Nice to see him back.

[stillanerd]

Is anybody else wondering just how Uncle Ben literally walked from his "What If" dimension into the 616? Maybe PAD took inspiration from that Star Trek: The Next Generation episode where Worf kept popping into quantum realities. Hopefully, it will be explained, but I have a feeling that, even after this arc is over, there's going to be more of this "temporal displacement" going on in Spidey's world.

[ragingdemon155]

Is anybody else wondering just how Uncle Ben literally walked from his "What If" dimension into the 616? Maybe PAD took inspiration from that Star Trek: The Next Generation episode where Worf kept popping into quantum realities. Hopefully, it will be explained, but I have a feeling that, even after this arc is over, there's going to be more of this "temporal displacement" going on in Spidey's world.

heh I love that episode.:)

[Gregatron]

Spider-Man deals with petty thugs, crimelords, and science-based nutjobs in kooky costumes, not time travel, quantum realities, or magic.

[stillanerd]

heh I love that episode.:)

Same here. And if you think about it, maybe it WAS that episode that inspired PAD for this arc. After all, he is a Star Trek fan and did write a couple of Next Generation books.

[ragingdemon155]

Same here. And if you think about it, maybe it WAS that episode that inspired PAD for this arc. After all, he is a Star Trek fan and did write a couple of Next Generation books.

What's this???? A fellow Star Trek geek..:up:

[Gregatron]

Let's not get started on how all the spin-offs raped the original series...

[ragingdemon155]

Let's not get started on how all the spin-offs raped the original series...

Whoa, wait...which original?

The original Star Trek? Or Star Trek TNG...TNG is easily one of the greatest series ever on television.

I didn't think the spin offs were that bad. DSN was solid and Voyager had some good moments. Enterprise was godawful though.

[Gregatron]

Whoa, wait...which original?

The original Star Trek? Or Star Trek TNG...TNG is easily one of the greatest series ever on television.

I didn't think the spin offs were that bad. DSN was solid and Voyager had some good moments. Enterprise was godawful though.


I love TNG a great deal, but it's really a tech-savvy, watered-down, politically-correct version of the "real" Star Trek (often imitated, never duplicated).

But it's seemed more and more, with each successive spin-off, that the creators are tying to sweep TOS under the rug. Enterprise was a joke. "We did everything Kirk did, and we did it first and did it better". Ugh.

That said, Enterprise is a fine prequel for the TNG-verse that all the spin-offs dwell in.

[ragingdemon155]

I enjoy the original Star Trek but the TNG cast just had so many more memorable/stronger cast members.

[Gregatron]

I enjoy the original Star Trek but the TNG cast just had so many more memorable/stronger cast members.


The characters were certainly more "developed" and "realistic" (hmmm...sounds familiar), but they're nowhere near as theatrical or well-known or iconic as the original crew.


But, as I said, let's not get into it.

[LarryLegend]

http://www.paul.aic.co.uk/blog/epiii/13.jpg

"You were The Chosen One!

It was said that you would destory Joey Q and JMS, not join them!

Bring balance to Marvel Comics, not leave it in ****tiness!"

:up: :up: Lol. Just what I was thinking when I typed it.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Is anyone else gettin' sick of th' word iconic bein' constatnly thrown around these boards? I know I am.

[CrimeMaster!]

What is PAD planning for FNSM after this "Hobgoblin" arc going on right now?

Mysterio,he confirmed it over at the Spider-Man message board.

[Cyclops]

Next, you should put a picture of Anakin saying:

"You're just afraid of CHANGE!!"

"Join me, Luke and we can put stingers on all characters in the Marvel Universe."

[shinlyle]

"Join me, Luke and we can put stingers on all characters in the Marvel Universe."

LOL!!

"I'll never join you!"

"JMS...never told you what happened to your origin....did he?"

[Upset Spideyfan]

heh I love that episode.:)



Unfortunately, that episode forever planted the image of Troi and Worf getting it on in my mind. :(





"You were The Chosen One!

It was said that you would destory Joey Q and JMS, not join them!

Bring balance to Marvel Comics, not leave it in ****tiness!"


LOL!!

"I'll never join you!"

"JMS...never told you what happened to your origin....did he?"

This has officially become my favorite thread. :D

[Cyclops]

LOL!!

"I'll never join you!"

"JMS...never told you what happened to your origin....did he?"

"Obi-Wan told me that you killed Spider-Man's origin!"

"No, Luke... I fixed Spider-Man's origin. Wasn't mystical enough."

"NNNNOOOOOOO!!!!"

[Venom Drool]

this issue was utter crap from beginning to end. the whole way through it was a giant question mark, but nowhere was i interested in the answer to the question. i just wanted to see hobby again.

instead.. i got Green Goblin Beta 7.0 from 1222 AD.. yea

real awesome...
especially since the art is drawn for pre schoolers.

yea..dropping this

[JesusOfNazarath]

Later, a tearful Peter and Uncle Ben are at the cemetary. This is where the story hits its first sour note... Ben moans to Peter ""She did the thinking for both of us. I've got no knack for handling money... what little we'd get in. Don't know how I'm going to pay the bills now."

WHAT? HUH? I never pictured Uncle Ben... Mr "with great power comes great responsibility" being such an addled wuss. He's worried that he's too irresponsible to pay the bills?! Right.

I thought about that too, but its a diffrent universe so its not out of character.

[JesusOfNazarath]

this issue was utter crap from beginning to end. the whole way through it was a giant question mark, but nowhere was i interested in the answer to the question. i just wanted to see hobby again.

instead.. i got Green Goblin Beta 7.0 from 1222 AD.. yea

real awesome...
especially since the art is drawn for pre schoolers.

yea..dropping this


Yeah I was hoping it was going to be a better Hobgoblin.:(

[Venom Drool]

i was hoping it was going to be THE hobgoblin

[AmaznSpider-Fan]

Did anyone else catch the jab he took at people that post on message boards being jerks to each other? :p

If you slapped "What If?" in front of the book, it would be a pretty good read, but as is, I'm not sure how I feel about it. It's ok, but I don't dislike it yet. Hobgoblin's dialogue at the end was corny as hell though. I'll have to see what happens next issue to come to a decision.

[LarryLegend]

Problem is its not a what if?

[Venom Drool]

problem is that it sucks a lot

[Cyclops]

i was hoping it was going to be THE hobgoblin

Kingsley or Macendale? Or Leeds?

[Dangerous]

Mysterio,he confirmed it over at the Spider-Man message board.

You never know, after Joe Q and JMS admitting that Spidey sucks now in Wizard... perhaps FNSM's Mysterio arc could be the begining of a possible 'clean up'?, tho prob not as PAD will be writing it and those two c*nts have said they will be doing the cleaning... sheesh.

[3dman27]

even if the kooky nutjob came from another universe?

[UK_Stu]

meh - this sounds pretty poor. Its not even that original - its been done before. The one hope that I have for this 'reality warping time travel' stuff is that it might be a way to clean up some of the cr*p storylines recently.

What if the Ben in this story is only 1 of a number of alternate reality Ben parkers? The new Hobgoblin has already implied that that there are multiple versions of spider-man. Ben appeared in the 616 universe pretty easily, perhaps the alternate realities are merging for brief periods.

With this in mind, perhaps Sins past, Morlun and the Other can be explained away. Maybe in one reality Gwen did have sex with Norman and have kids, and they somehow appeared in the 616 universe during one of these brief merge periods - a result of which slightly altered the 616 history to reflect this, Mary Jane suddenly knowing, not saying, the gap during pregnancy etc.

The same sort of thing could be applied to the Morlun to explain why he has no history and appeared from nowhere and perhaps in another reality, Spider-man wasn't bitten by a radioactive spider, he really was powered by the spider-god. somehow these realities have merged and affected the the 616 version of spidey we know.

Maybe I'm clutching at straws, maybe I've been drinking, maybe I just want a return to good spidey stories

[AmaznSpider-Fan]

It would certainly be a good explanation for all the crap that's been going on, but somehow I think you're giving this story too much credit. :(

[WOLVERINE25TH]

I like someone's Infinite Crisis theory...that th' crap in th' DCU is echoin' into Marvel's U.

[Venom Drool]

Kingsley or Macendale? Or Leeds?
any of them really.
i was hoping..to be more precise.. to see THE orange goblin suit.. better?

[Captivated]

I thought about that too, but its a diffrent universe so its not out of character.Where did you read that this was a different universe? I thought we were dealing with time travel...

I thought that to mess up our Spidey, Hobby arranged an accident for Aunt May and no thief for Uncle Ben, to alter the future. But all of a sudden this irresponsible Ben appears with current Spidey... doesn't that break some time-space continum "rule"?

If it is a different demension (or parallel time... a la Dark Shadows) then this is NOT our Uncle Ben. And it makes no sense...why is this Hobby travelling across not just time, but out of his own universe to "get" our Spider-Man, who would have nothing to do with him...

Basically, this story is not communicating why I should care.

[UK_Stu]

Where did you read that this was a different universe? I thought we were dealing with time travel...

I thought that to mess up our Spidey, Hobby arranged an accident for Aunt May and no thief for Uncle Ben, to alter the future. But all of a sudden this irresponsible Ben appears with current Spidey... doesn't that break some time-space continum "rule"?

If it is a different demension (or parallel time... a la Dark Shadows) then this is NOT our Uncle Ben. And it makes no sense...why is this Hobby travelling across not just time, but out of his own universe to "get" our Spider-Man, who would have nothing to do with him...

Basically, this story is not communicating why I should care.


It isn't simply time travel, because if the goblin had simply gone back in time, it would have changed the present 616 spiderman, but it appears this isn't the case. Ben appears to be from a slightly different world to the one we know. Which is why I have my multiple universe theory.

Why is hobgoblin doing this? Who knows, but I guess if he is so adament that he wants to wipe spider-man from all existence, then he would want to do it across all the multiple universes - if he discovered they existed.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Is it just me, or does HOBGOBLIN look more like GREEN GOBLIN?

[Captivated]

It isn't simply time travel, because if the goblin had simply gone back in time, it would have changed the present 616 spiderman, but it appears this isn't the case. Ben appears to be from a slightly different world to the one we know. Which is why I have my multiple universe theory.

Why is hobgoblin doing this? Who knows, but I guess if he is so adament that he wants to wipe spider-man from all existence, then he would want to do it across all the multiple universes - if he discovered they existed.So... this is all just speculation at this point.

Time travel... universe hopping... demension popping... it's confusing and tedious. Just more mystical weirdness in Spider-Man, and I'm really tired of it.

[UK_Stu]

So... this is all just speculation at this point.

Time travel... universe hopping... demension popping... it's confusing and tedious. Just more mystical weirdness in Spider-Man, and I'm really tired of it.

Yes, its all speculation at the moment. While I don't like seeing spidey involved in time travel, multiple dimensions and mystical weirdness, and prefer him dealing with more street level crime, if it manages to wipe out some of the current storylines it will be worth it.

[AmaznSpider-Fan]

So far I'm not really impressed, but going to reserve my judgement. All the possibilities have the chance of easily coming off as hokey, so I think PAD has to be on the ball to make this work. Let's hope he is. :(

[Dangerous]

You know I hate to say it but bar the spatz,
Ringo actually makes the Iron suit look ok in #8...

[3dman27]

So... this is all just speculation at this point.

Time travel... universe hopping... demension popping... it's confusing and tedious. Just more mystical weirdness in Spider-Man, and I'm really tired of it.
not half as tired as SPIDEY is i'll bet

[Shadowknight]

I'm not a fan of Spider-Girl, but I've been picking it up recently because it has the Roderick Kingsley Hobgoblin. DeFalco's doing a decent job of showing him as the badass he was in the 80's.

[SpideyInATree]

When I read the end of the issue before this one, where May sees Ben while she's out with Jarvis, I didn't know what to think.

I wasn't expecting this at all, which was actually a good thing for once. I was expecting something much worse, to be honest.

Though I enjoy it so far. I always enjoy alternate universe stories and how just by certain things changing how different things can be. I just think it will be interesting for the Uncle Ben of the other universe to see how Peter would have turned out if he used his powers for good.

I just think it's a little story that strengthens why Peter keeps putting on the Spider-Man costume.

I'm going to keep getting this and see where it goes and how Spidey is going to handle future Hobgoblin, though I find this part a tad corny...but, hey, it's a Spidey comic. :o

[Dangerous]

One thing that is really annoying me is that Hobby has GG's color scheme.
..Just makes no sense, he should be Blue and Orange.

[SpideyInATree]

I'm sure he or it doesn't really care what color scheme he/it is wearing.

But, yeah, I thought it was a little odd that it looks more like the Green Goblin than the Hobgoblin.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Didn't I bring that up like days ago with little or no response? Yeesh.

[SpideyInATree]

I wasn't here days ago. Nor did I see it.

But...Ok.

I'll give you your gold star and cookie tomorrow. :p

[Citizen_Kaine]

Didn't I bring that up like days ago with little or no response? Yeesh.

IIRC theres an actual reason for that, I think there was a Spidey 2099 story that stated that some of the information of the past gets mixed up in the future.

[SpideyInATree]

I want to read some Spider-Man 2099 now. :spidey:

[Shadowknight]

I don't have my copy of Spider-man/Spider-man 2099 with me, and haven't read it in years, but a future version of Spider-man and the Green Goblin appeared in the present. Can't remember what year and if the visual designs were similar. PAD could be repeating himself to some extent, possibly unintentionaly.

[Cyclops]

I know that he had Captain Marvel (Genis) visit the 2099 universe for some reason...

[CConn]

I like someone's Infinite Crisis theory...that th' crap in th' DCU is echoin' into Marvel's U.I wish it would. Then I'd actually enjoy the books.

[Dangerous]

I wasn't here days ago. Nor did I see it.

But...Ok.

I'll give you your gold star and cookie tomorrow. :p

Hhahahah, yea I would not mind digging out the relevent issues of SM2099 to read about Spidey 2211, hmmm.

[XSpidercideX]

Everyone, this is not a new character. Hobgoblin of 2211 has been created already back in the 90s and yes, he looks exactly how he did back then, green and all. He was instroduced in Spiderman meets Spiderman 2099. I for one, am looking forward to him in this arc, bc he was introduced back then and never used again or expanded upon. So it will be really interesting to learn more about him in this arc.

It is also obvious to me that it was from an alternate universe Spidey that uncle Ben came from. That is why he stumbles upon the burnt down house, and current universe Aunt May saw him and Peter is his normal self that finds his uncle. The alternate universe Spidey would still have Aunt May dead. And Spidey would still be a movie star jerk.

I enjoyed the issue and am looking forward to the next. Cant wait to see what this future Hobgoblin can do!

Btw, yes it was painful seeing Peter as such a jerk, however, there was comfort in knowing that it wasn't OUR Spidey. Also, remeber, in Amazing Fantasy #15, Peter WAS a first class jerk up until when reallity hit him hard at the revalation that it was HIS fault his Uncle got shot bc he didnt stop the robber.

[SpideyInATree]

Yeah, someone else had mentioned that this Hobgoblin appeared in Spider-Man 2099. Only made sense considering Peter David, current FNSM writer, wrote Spider-Man 2099.

I kind of like it for what it is. Though what irks me is that Hobgoblin looks like Green Goblin. Maybe there is some kind of explanation for that, but from what I saw...his name should be Green Goblin.

[Kraven]

I kind of like it for what it is. Though what irks me is that Hobgoblin looks like Green Goblin. Maybe there is some kind of explanation for that, but from what I saw...his name should be Green Goblin.

If I remember correctly, he was called the Hobgoblin in the Spidey meets 2099 one too, because the people of the future got the names mixed up and believed the look of the Green Goblin belonged to the name of the Hobgoblin.

I might be entirely wrong, but I think I heard that somewhere.

[SpideyInATree]

Well, that would make a whole lot more sense then. Hopefully David will touch upon this in the next issue.

[Dangerous]

You know, the next issue, #9 I love that cover the tribute to ASM#39.
Save the fact of the crappy costume ofcourse.

[Captivated]

I just saw a preview of FNSM #9.

We ARE talking parallel universe, but this was not what I was expecting. Hmmm...

http://www.popcultureshock.com/reviews.php?id=5593

[warren_sparta27]

ok, i read a couple of posts from the first page in this thread, and it seemed that this title is really getting a bagging. so is it worth getting? or should i just stick to sensational and amazing?

[UK_Stu]

I just saw a preview of FNSM #9.

We ARE talking parallel universe, but this was not what I was expecting. Hmmm...

http://www.popcultureshock.com/reviews.php?id=5593


Hmm, so it could be then that the alternate/future Hobgoblin is a female and future relative of Peter Parker from another dimension.

Plus with the talk of parallel universes not only existing but interacting - my theory about using multiple worlds to clear up all the sins past and The other problems could easily be on the cards

[Dangerous]

That sure would be cool.

[UK_Stu]

ok ok, no need for the sarcasm. I'm just clutching at straws to repair the storylines i didn't like.

[spahn]

so what are the thoughts of FNSM #9?

[SpideyInATree]

I liked it. At first it started to remind me of all the DC Infinite Crisis stuff with the talk of multiverses and everything...but then it kind of got interesting with how things turned out with "Hobby".

The futuristic Spider-Man was really cool.

It's a fun little story that can deal with some subjects that you won't be able to ever deal with...without pissing off every single Spider-Man fan in existance.

I'm looking forward to see how this all comes to a head. With the "retcon bomb" on the scene I'm having a feeling that someone is gonna get nailed with it...