View Full Version : WOLVERINE: NO MASK, NO WOLVERINE. Just LOGAN.
Flashman
05-03-2006, 06:07 PM
The only fault of the movies.
No mask, no Wolverine. Just Logan.
Wolverine's costume is one of the top 10 costumes of all the times. Period.
Who doesn't agree with me, has nothing to do among the X-MEN FOLLOWERS.
I'm sorry to be so rude.
Exploding Boy
05-03-2006, 06:45 PM
Like an outfit makes a character? And none of the characters in the movie are like the comics. Why doesent Pyro have an Australian accent? Or Storm an Afro-Centric one? Why didint Jean save the xmen in space and become Phoenix? Why is Lady Deathstrike not a cyborg? Why isint Kitty going out with Piotr?
Because its a movie based on the comics... so not everything is the same, they take a little of the comics and leave room for lots of interpretation.
ComicChick
05-03-2006, 11:42 PM
personally i don't really mind the no mask wolverine of the movies. i did at first, but i've grown to accept it.
i did appreciate the nod to the yellow spandex in X1, and i wouldn't mind seeing an old x-men costume hanging up in a closet or something as an easter egg if there are any scenes in any of the rooms of the x-mansion.
Cyclops
05-04-2006, 01:45 AM
Not this tired-ass old bull**** again. :rolleyes:
Go play with Morgoth, Flashman. I'm sure you two can appreciate each others' jackass qualities in privacy and leave those of us who don't appreciate jerks like you questioning our fanhood alone.
KingOfDreams
05-04-2006, 01:49 AM
Do you know how stupid it would look if he had a mask in the movies?
There are some things look good in comics that wouldn't look good on film.
Exploding Boy
05-04-2006, 01:59 AM
Cyclops you are such a bully :D
Halcohol
05-04-2006, 04:19 AM
The only fault of the movies.
No mask, no Wolverine. Just Logan.
Wolverine's costume is one of the top 10 costumes of all the times. Period.
Who doesn't agree with me, has nothing to do among the X-MEN FOLLOWERS.
I'm sorry to be so rude.
You're not sorry at all, who are you kidding? Cyclops has got a point. Wolverine's costume would look absolutely ridiculous on screen, but just because I think so doesn't make me any less of a fan than you.
Suck it up, buttercup.
Cyclops
05-04-2006, 08:01 PM
Cyclops you are such a bully :D
Not a bully. Just defensive of us fans, whether we started with comics, cartoons or movies. A fan is a fan is a fan and I won't stand for anyone trying to exclude someone from fanship.
Boba_Fett_123
05-05-2006, 08:19 PM
Don't forget about Sauron. Go hang out with him too.
This is ridiculous. Ignore.
Flashman
05-09-2006, 12:41 PM
If you think WOLVERINE's gorgeous costume would LOOK lame on screen (have you ever seen it in a live action movie anyway? NO!) than you're not provided with ENOUGH love for the SUPERHEROES. :ghost:
'X-MEN' is a kind of EPIC. As EPIC story, it involves costumes and physical appearances, not only personalities and superpowers. BEYOND the excellent story (the FOCUS), there's a whole esthetic world which made the X-MEN so attractive in the first place.
Would you like to see a movie on the TROY WAR WITHOUT the armours?
WOLVERINE's MASK was part of his personality in some ways. It represents his "bestial" ego taken on the surface. A Physical manifestation, as much important as his CLAWS! Also, the mask reflects his hair... that's a good "parallel" in my view.
SUPERHEROES in SPANDEX are cool! :thing:
SickBoy
05-09-2006, 09:41 PM
First of all, wolverine has no NEED for a mask. No need to protect his identity and no need for safety since he can easily heal.
Secondly, it would probably look stupid. SOme things really can't translate from comics to film. I can imagine a few designs that might look ok, but it would require a different costume altogether.
Thirdly, it's a movie, so being able to see his face is important. That's where all the emotion is.
With Batman, for example, the mask serves several purposes. It protects him, helps him hear, scares enemies, hides his identity, and turns him into a cold and frightening character. Wolverine doesn't need any of that.
Mistopurr83
05-10-2006, 03:53 PM
Maybe Wolverine will have an outfit/costume closer to what he usually wore in the comics in his spin-off film. Since it's been confirmed the Wolvie movie will be a prequel, he likely won't even be in the x-men uniform he wore in the movie trilogy. He could wear civies through most of the movie and than get into his warrior costume when the final showdown comes. I think we all should be fine with Wolverine's comic costume on screen as long as it looks professionally made and as long as they come up with a good reason for it in the story.
foxx5
05-10-2006, 06:53 PM
I would love to see a good Wolverine uniform in the movies, but I dont think they could pull it off, although they did it for spider-man, so why coudn't they make it work for wolvie
Savage
05-15-2006, 02:28 AM
I'd love to see his current costume in Astonishing X-men with the short ears brought in actually. There is something about that one that just...fits more. Less ridiculous and out there. No gigantic ears or V boots...I'd be fine if he wore it or not really. Mask or not, Wolverine is Wolverine, and he has shown this time and time again. There is no dual identity. It's the same guy. It's a code name for while on the field.
Nathan
05-15-2006, 02:33 AM
So I guess Ultimate Wolverine isn't Wolverine because he doesn't wear a Mask or his ridiculous yellow spandex.
SickBoy
05-15-2006, 03:20 PM
Was Ultimate Wolverine the one that had that lame little triangle goatee thing, and he would sometimes wear a harley davidson leather vest with nothing underneath? God that was the LAMEST, most RETARDED version of wolverine i've ever seen!!!
Flashman
05-15-2006, 03:43 PM
So I guess Ultimate Wolverine isn't Wolverine because he doesn't wear a Mask or his ridiculous yellow spandex.
His "ridiculous yellow spandex" has sold MILLIONS of COPIES worldwide and is stuff of legend by NOW. Make up your mind, there's something wrong in you. Period.:doom:
Sun_Down
05-15-2006, 05:24 PM
Go play with Morgoth, Flashman. I'm sure you two can appreciate each others' jackass qualities in privacy and leave those of us who don't appreciate jerks like you questioning our fanhood alone.
You are my hero.
Flashman, you realize that Wolverine is over 100 years old, right? He's worn a mask for maybe 20 years, depending on how long you interpret comic timelines. So you're telling us that he was a completely different person for those 80+ years of being unmasked and some piece of yellow fabric given to him at Dept. H somehow made him instantaneously transform from just some bum to a legendary hero?
Don Corleone
05-16-2006, 08:00 PM
If you think WOLVERINE's gorgeous costume would LOOK lame on screen (have you ever seen it in a live action movie anyway? NO!) than you're not provided with ENOUGH love for the SUPERHEROES. :ghost:
'X-MEN' is a kind of EPIC. As EPIC story, it involves costumes and physical appearances, not only personalities and superpowers. BEYOND the excellent story (the FOCUS), there's a whole esthetic world which made the X-MEN so attractive in the first place.
Would you like to see a movie on the TROY WAR WITHOUT the armours?
WOLVERINE's MASK was part of his personality in some ways. It represents his "bestial" ego taken on the surface. A Physical manifestation, as much important as his CLAWS! Also, the mask reflects his hair... that's a good "parallel" in my view.
SUPERHEROES in SPANDEX are cool! :thing:
wow, so you WOULD prefer yellow spandex!
SickBoy
05-16-2006, 10:44 PM
Spandex doesn't work well in movies. While it allows for movemont, its hard to believe it as being durable at all. It doesn't look tough.
Spiderman pulls it off cause his suit is made to look textured and somewhat tough, but Wolverine is not jumping around all over the place and swinging through the air. He doesn't need a skintight outfit like that. He needs something thats tough and will hold up well in intense fighting.
Also yellow would not transfer well into real life. It jsut wouldn't. Maybe the old dark yellow/orange and brown costume, if it would very dark and shaded and maybe textured. But not yellow.
The problem with wolverine is that his costumes, however cool they may look in the comics, aren't practical in real life. I would prefer seeing a unique film costume that still somewhat embodies the feeling of wolverine rather than seeing a direct translation of the comic costumes.
One thing I can think of that MIGHT work would be a mostly leather (or leather-looking) costume based on the orange/brown comic costume. The suit would be fitted and maybe slightly padded, like in the chest/upper body, and look a bit thicker and more durable than spandex. It would have to be very dark shades of brown/orange, but also with black in there too. But still, NO MASK!!!
Oh one more thing: the movie costume is unique to look ghood on film while still retaining a wlverine look! So what's the problem?
Harlekin
05-17-2006, 04:47 AM
Was Ultimate Wolverine the one that had that lame little triangle goatee thing, and he would sometimes wear a harley davidson leather vest with nothing underneath? God that was the LAMEST, most RETARDED version of wolverine i've ever seen!!!
The goatee was Ultimate, the biker jacket with nothing underneath was New X-Men (Morrison).
Spiff
05-17-2006, 11:40 AM
Ugh hated that look - made wolvy look like he was gonna be ina gay porn movie.
SickBoy
05-17-2006, 03:55 PM
The goatee was Ultimate, the biker jacket with nothing underneath was New X-Men (Morrison).
Oh, I'm talking about the Ultimate look then. I remember one of the issues he was wearing a leather biker VEST with NOTHING UNDERNEATH!!! And his little goatee thing... nasty.
Dope Nose
05-17-2006, 04:05 PM
Wolverine's costume is one of the top 10 costumes of all the times. Period.
Who doesn't agree with me, has nothing to do among the X-MEN FOLLOWERS.
oh give me a break. first of all, at least specify which costume. surely you know he's had more than one given you're such a HUGE fan. second of all, get over yourself. I mean really, who the hell do you think you are? suddenly anyone who doesn't agree with your opinion isn't a real fan?
Savage
05-18-2006, 11:17 AM
Oh, I'm talking about the Ultimate look then. I remember one of the issues he was wearing a leather biker VEST with NOTHING UNDERNEATH!!! And his little goatee thing... nasty.
I dug it actually. They really overhauled the whole "healing factor slows down his aging" thing and made him seem just about as old as the other X-men (as originally intended in 616 till he slowly started looking more like he was 38).
He looked like your basic young biker guy...In fact, I think I actually liked this version more than 616 at one point.
http://www.fyreincarnate.com/Pictures/Wolverine20017.jpg
http://www.dynamicforces.com/images/Spidey-Wolve-TeamUp.jpg
I really don't see what's wrong with this look...
Flashman
05-19-2006, 08:32 AM
1- Cool out, Dope Nose.
2- THE ONE and ONLY costume, the yellow-blue one. The others had all a short life and didn't look so cool... specifically, the brown/orange one was horrid.
3- LEATHER costume, okay. I can accept that. But give him a friggin' MASK. I'm not saying that 'WOLVERINE' and 'LOGAN' are two different personas... but the MASK is part of the mystique of the character. Okay?
Harlekin
05-20-2006, 03:22 AM
The brown/orange hardly had a short life, and I'm almost inclined to tell you that you can hardly be Wolverine fan if you didn't like that costume, but I won't, since each to their own.
perdev145
05-20-2006, 03:57 AM
i do agree that the mask would have been cool to see and could have been pulled off by some creative costumer out there...but the fact that it doesn't relate to comics is off...look at the stretch in all volumes of wolverine comics that he goes without a mask. after genesis tries to stick the adamantium back in in v.1 issue 100, all he's got is a ninja turtles-esque head band type thing. yea, its cool to see him with it, but definitely not a necessity. the part of wolvies character that i feel was never portrayed in the films was his animal nature...he's never been nasty, and only recently has he cleaned up in the comics...and we've only seen hints to his hightened senses (he sniffs out mystique in the x1 and hears soldiers in x2, but that's about it) overall i'm pretty dissatisfied with his character...mask or not
Flashman
05-20-2006, 07:14 AM
The brown/orange hardly had a short life, and I'm almost inclined to tell you that you can hardly be Wolverine fan if you didn't like that costume, but I won't, since each to their own.
I'm a big Wolverine fan indeed. I use to read my Wolverine comics while listening to 'Yesterday's News' by EUROPE. I can sure you that the orange one is HORRID. A dull version of the original one. And its life span is SHORTER when compared to the CLASSIC ONE.
Harlekin
05-20-2006, 09:35 AM
I'm a big Wolverine fan indeed. I use to read my Wolverine comics while listening to 'Yesterday's News' by EUROPE. I can sure you that the orange one is HORRID. A dull version of the original one. And its life span is SHORTER when compared to the CLASSIC ONE.
Of course it's shorter, but it's an outfit that he used for a quite a long time. Longer than any of the other outfits he's had anyway, besides the classic outfit. And you can assure me of nothing. I've got my own personal tastes, and you do too. I simply notified you of the fact that you're just about the only Wolverine fan that DIDN'T like that costume.
Savage
05-20-2006, 10:09 AM
i do agree that the mask would have been cool to see and could have been pulled off by some creative costumer out there...but the fact that it doesn't relate to comics is off...look at the stretch in all volumes of wolverine comics that he goes without a mask. after genesis tries to stick the adamantium back in in v.1 issue 100, all he's got is a ninja turtles-esque head band type thing. yea, its cool to see him with it, but definitely not a necessity. the part of wolvies character that i feel was never portrayed in the films was his animal nature...he's never been nasty, and only recently has he cleaned up in the comics...and we've only seen hints to his hightened senses (he sniffs out mystique in the x1 and hears soldiers in x2, but that's about it) overall i'm pretty dissatisfied with his character...mask or not
He sniffed out Sabretooth as well (a little late but he did...in fact he was using all his senses both then and when he was looking for Mystique). I think the point is you're supposed to assume his powers are at work. All the time. I think it'd be kind of odd to do a close up on his ear or hear loud sniffing every single time he's allerted by something. His power's were explained so just know they are at work.
foxx5
05-25-2006, 11:25 AM
I'll take Wolverine anyway i can get him, I like all his uniforms and even his cicilian cloths, but I dont like Ultimate Wolverine, 616 is the original and still the best.
SickBoy
05-25-2006, 09:53 PM
I'm a big Wolverine fan indeed. I use to read my Wolverine comics while listening to 'Yesterday's News' by EUROPE. I can sure you that the orange one is HORRID. A dull version of the original one. And its life span is SHORTER when compared to the CLASSIC ONE.
You're kind of an idiot. Everyone likes what they like. Don't claim that since you are such a big fan you can tell other people what costumes were good or bad. It's your opinion, don't try to force it onto others. Everyone has different opinions.
For instance, I'm a big wolverine fan and I personally LOVE the orange/brown costume. I think it's much better than the yellow and blue costume. It's more animal-like in color, it's darker, it has a more "realistic" look because it isn't so brightly colorful, it's less feminine looking, and it's MUCH easier for me to imagine logan wearing it than wearing bright yellow and blue.
Honestly... bright yellow and blue? Come on...he's Wolverine, not Captain *****ing Canary
foxx5
05-26-2006, 01:40 AM
I agree, I like the brown/tan one and there was such a demand by fans for the brown/tan on that they brought it back in Wolveirne Origins.
Abaddon
05-26-2006, 01:55 AM
this is a very silly argument
http://fantasy.mrugala.net/Julie%20Bell/Julie%20Bell%20-%20Hard%20Curves%202001%20-%2073%20-%20Wolverine.jpg
foxx5
05-26-2006, 01:58 AM
I think that is one of the worse pics of Wolvie there is I dont like any part of the mask by that artist.
Savage
05-26-2006, 11:20 AM
He's too clean shaven and that mask is supposed to be shorter and more...wrapped around the head...Well that looks like the more recent costume anyway.
SickBoy
05-26-2006, 09:59 PM
HAHA! what a terrible picture! Some artists' rederings of wolverine are just awful.
Mr. Socko
05-26-2006, 10:52 PM
I'd love to see the Wolvie costume used in a movie. Make it out of the same material that the Superman Returns suit is made of.
foxx5
05-28-2006, 12:27 AM
I'd love to see the Wolvie costume used in a movie. Make it out of the same material that the Superman Returns suit is made of.
I agree I think they should do it, use the custome even if it is just for a opening scene, it should be in the movie at some point:up:
Frosty81
05-28-2006, 12:14 PM
I don't think the yellow suit will ever be used in a movie because yellow looks horrible on screen. I specifically remember this issue being one of the main reasons they dropped the 'yellow oval' Batman symbol; yellow just doesn't film well, especially in a 'dark film' environment.
As far as a mask goes I am against that as well. Hugh Jackman is capable of conveying emotion really well, so why cover that up?
- Chris
foxx5
05-29-2006, 02:22 AM
it dosn't have to be the yellow, it could be the tan/brown and I feel there should be a scene or two with it, or perhaps make a new Wolveirne uniform using black and blue for the movie, since really the movies dont follow anything from the comics anyways
Savage
05-29-2006, 03:19 AM
They could include Alpha Flight or Department H and give him a costume pretty easily...That would explain the mask and all. Covert op/Canadian superhero. I wonder what a movie version would look like. The X-men uniform already has the tiger stripes so that would be too much of a coincidence. They'd probably go with the tan costume designwise (yes, I know the color would then be a coincidence). Keep the mask like the current one with the short ears and the boots hugging the leg (like the current one) instead of sticking out and you're set...Or they could do the X-men Evolution costume which is probably as realistic a translation as you can get...Either that or the original Ultimate costume.
http://hardhero.com/xmen/WOLVERINE2.jpg
http://www.ultimatespin.com/projects/gallery/wolverine-ultimate.jpg
Both variations on the tan costume that would look good imo (notice no outside undies).
Flashman
06-01-2006, 07:30 AM
SICKBOY,
YELLOW and BLUE = WOLVERINE.
Deal with it.
"Feminine" - WTF? :wolverine
foxx5
06-01-2006, 01:03 PM
The Wolveirne is soposed to take place before the X-Men movies, so WeaponX and Aphla Flight are very possiable to take place, more likly Weapon X.
Chris Wallace
06-01-2006, 01:06 PM
(sigh)
Wolverine is not defined by his costume. There was no need for a mask in the movies. That btight yellow outfit would have looked stupid. Blah, blah, blah-it's been 6 years! No mask, no yellow, no need! Get over it!
foxx5
06-03-2006, 12:37 AM
I know he is not defined by a mask, but we comic fans like it when the movies show where the man has came from, they cant act like the uniforms never existed.
SickBoy
06-04-2006, 02:42 AM
SICKBOY,
YELLOW and BLUE = WOLVERINE.
Deal with it.
"Feminine" - WTF? :wolverine
No, not feminine... more like...what's the word i'm looking for...oh yeah, RIDICULOUS!!! In most of the comics the yellow and blue looks ok, but the brown and orange are much more in character with wolverine. And blue and yellow in real life? NO WAY!
And why do you say yellow and blue = wolverine? He's had multiple costumes. When he's with the x-men a costume makes sense but on his own he doesn't really need any costume at all.
The costume doesn't make the character. Look at Batman. Blue cape, black cape, grey suit, black suit, yellow oval, no oval, yellow utility belt, black utility belt, brown utility belt, etc. etc. etc. IT'S ALL *****ING BATMAN!
You know Cyclops was also blue and yellow. Does that mean that he should have the same blue and yellow costume in every single adaptation of the x-men, including comics, movies, cartoons, toys, books, and so on?
These characters have been around for a long time. Their costumes are going to change every now and then. get over it.
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