no sentinels outside the DR

[strugler]

bad news for all of us :(
kinberg just confirmed that the sentinels are in the danger room only
here is a part of his answer:

"1. You said that the sentinels are not a big part of the movie (I'm hoping you're just covering up for Ratner letting the cat out of the bad, but I doubt it). Why was that the direction you went? They were a big part of the script (early version according to Zak, they didn't have the money to make them) in X2, why not revist them with the budget you guys had (being bigger then the first two combined)?

*We didn’t feel they fit into the scope of our story. We have Phoenix, the cure, and a number of other subplots that felt more personal and emotional than giant robots. Don’t get me wrong, I love the Sentinels in the comics. But we didn’t think they fit the broader narrative of X3."

bad news for all of us sentinels fans

[kytrigger]

Well, most of us were 99% sure of this, but it now seems completely true. Oh well. Thanks for the info though.

[Wolverini]

Why god ... why!?

[marty mcfly]

source?

[CapBeerCino]

I already knew it. Not sure from where...

[lordofthenerds]

bad news for all of us :(
kinberg just confirmed that the sentinels are in the danger room only
here is a part of his answer:

"1. You said that the sentinels are not a big part of the movie (I'm hoping you're just covering up for Ratner letting the cat out of the bad, but I doubt it). Why was that the direction you went? They were a big part of the script (early version according to Zak, they didn't have the money to make them) in X2, why not revist them with the budget you guys had (being bigger then the first two combined)?

*We didn’t feel they fit into the scope of our story. We have Phoenix, the cure, and a number of other subplots that felt more personal and emotional than giant robots. Don’t get me wrong, I love the Sentinels in the comics. But we didn’t think they fit the broader narrative of X3."

bad news for all of us sentinels fans
Not much of a surprise. :(

[MoiBijou]

They never should have put sentinels in this movie: it was too crowded for characters and plots. They should have just laid the foundations of "Wideawake Proyect" with Trask in this movie and later develop it in a X4 to get the most glorious portray of what a Sentinel is.

[CapBeerCino]

They never should have put sentinels in this movie: it was too crowded for characters and plots. They should have just laid the foundations of "Wideawake Proyect" with Trask in this movie and later develop it in a X4.

Sound like something Singer would do.

[Wolverini]

We'll see more of the Sentinel in the Danger Room ... thats for SURE!

IGN and , well ME , confirmed it.

You can see its torso / orange-red lights and a leg. Nothing more , nothing less. Lets hope they keep it in though

[strugler]

source?

http://www.thexverse.com/community/showthread.php?t=8&page=58

[nightwing06]

I figured as much

[strugler]

We'll see more of the Sentinel in the Danger Room ... thats for SURE!

IGN and , well ME , confirmed it.

You can see its torso / orange-red lights and a leg. Nothing more , nothing less. Lets hope they keep it in though

does it llok as bad as the head, im thinking they could sell that sentinel to the producers of the upcomming transformers movie or the upcoming power rangers movie (i think they are making another pr movie )

[X-Maniac]

In some ways bad news, yes... but Sentinels are less 'real' than people fighting people. Robots make dramatic action, for sure... but it's cold action. And, sadly, Matrix already did killer robots called Sentinels (Matrix was so bad to use the same name!!!). I can see why there was no real scope on top of a cure, a mutant vs mutant showdown and Dark Phoenix...

Perhaps in the next movie? It sure would be nice to have seen Magneto rotating Sentinels in the air and dismantling or reprogramming them (that became the Magneto scene in Dark Cerebro at the end of X2 where he moved Cerebro's panels around!).

[WorthyStevens]

Eh, well. I was wrong.

[X-Maniac]

Well, they are giving us one Sentinel.

And, if you are disappointed, see this as similar to if they had put Gambit in some small cameo role.

Many have said the Sentinels vs Wolverine sequence was cheesy and bad anyway, so it's just as well it isn't a big part of the movie!!!!!!

[xwolverine2]

i knew this already....and even i, a sentinel fan dont care because ...THOSE TVSPOTS WERE INCREDIBLE!

[LEX]

Figured as much when they showed it in the DR clip. :down

[Retroman]

bad news for all of us :(
kinberg just confirmed that the sentinels are in the danger room only
here is a part of his answer:

"1. You said that the sentinels are not a big part of the movie (I'm hoping you're just covering up for Ratner letting the cat out of the bad, but I doubt it). Why was that the direction you went? They were a big part of the script (early version according to Zak, they didn't have the money to make them) in X2, why not revist them with the budget you guys had (being bigger then the first two combined)?

*We didn’t feel they fit into the scope of our story. We have Phoenix, the cure, and a number of other subplots that felt more personal and emotional than giant robots. Don’t get me wrong, I love the Sentinels in the comics. But we didn’t think they fit the broader narrative of X3."

bad news for all of us sentinels fans
Shame. I wonder why Trask is in this then?

[MoPlaYa]

Well I think the last battle can still be very good w/o sentinels

[WorthyStevens]

Well, they are giving us one Sentinel.

And, if you are disappointed, see this as similar to if they had put Gambit in some small cameo role.

Many have said the Sentinels vs Wolverine sequence was cheesy and bad anyway, so it's just as well it isn't a big part of the movie!!!!!!

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad we're getting atleast one Sentinel. It's better than none at all.

[PWN3R]

Eh, well. I was wrong.

I admire you admitting that. :up:


And the 'Sentinel' in the DR is more of a nod to us if anything, they put it in because WE wanted it.

[X-Maniac]

Trask must be there either to give a known name to this anti-mutant character... or as some kind of potential 'set-up' for a possible sequel movie. If the government's going to have an anti-mutant commander, it can't be Gyrich (dead in X1 and impersonated by Mystique), so Trask is an obvious choice... Since there was an Operation Wideawake (Sentinels) icon on Stryker's desktop in X2, maybe the government is exploring extreme mutant control options behind the scenes and we are left to think that...

[Iceman]

Sentinels outside the Danger Room might have meant too many plot points towards the end of the film with Phoenix, the cure and the brotherhood already taking up space.

I would have preferred if they didn't have Sentinels at all as they should really be a leading plot point in a different X-Men film.

[Storm22]

I really don't care about this now, just as long as they show us more of the actual Sentinel in the DR!!

[Kmack]

It's dissappointing, but I kinda figured they would only appear in the DR anyway.

[CapBeerCino]

Eh, well. I was wrong.

:eek: Im hoping that the first and last! (Cykes fate and so on...) :(

[Maze]

i feel it's for the better,The last scene would really have been too crowded .


Now Wolverini ,yup you confirmed that we will see more of the sentinel than what we saw :)

I really hope that what we will see is more "classy" than what we saw.

i have nothing against the subtle approach , that's what i wanted , but there is not showing everything at first(like in predator ) , and not showing "anything at all"

ps: i really hope that they will fix that sentinel head. it really looks like a toy.

ps2: and Logan? for example ,could they edit the shot to put him in the sentinel cutting through a path ?

anything would be better , than the Copperfield move.

[Wolverini]

Cykes fate remains a mystery! I sure hope after I got my screening I can give you guys the final word ...

Still , dont worry about NOT seeing more of the Sentinel. I just received word that :

- The 2 bright lights will be replaced with the orange/red glow seen in the trailer.
- The smoke will be touched up with CGI and will show some glimpses of the Sentinel
- We will see its legs and torso
- We will see a part of its hand firing at the bus ( the exploding one )

[WorthyStevens]

:eek: Im hoping that the first and last! (Cykes fate and so on...) :(

It is.

Cyke will live. ;)

[CapBeerCino]

Cykes fate remains a mystery! I sure hope after I got my screening I can give you guys the final word ...


What screening? (And whatever his fate is - dont forget not all of us wish of find out b4 x-3 comes out) :up:

[PWN3R]

HAHA! Awesome avy!

[LoGaN's RuNNer]

Why god ... why!?
Why sound so surprised, they said they weren't going to have a big role.

[Maze]

It is.

Cyke will live. ;)
Worthy....

what will you do if die , inally?

Do you imagine how people will be disapointed?

[CapBeerCino]

HAHA! Awesome avy!

Mine? :confused:

[MoPlaYa]

What screening? (And whatever his fate is - dont forget not all of us wish of find out b4 x-3 comes out) :up:

well then, you shouldnt be in the spoiler thread....should you? :)

[LoGaN's RuNNer]

What screening? (And whatever his fate is - dont forget not all of us wish of find out b4 x-3 comes out) :up:
Yes, don't blurt it all out in the title, I'm staying away from all the major spoiler threads from now on, and I dont want to be spoiled by just reading the titles.:)

[Spidey 2007]

gooog ooooood, im a HUGE sentinal fan, but a BIGGER fan of these movies, and having the sentinals for REAL, i think is just too much for now. But i WAS hoping the danger room would be a little foreshadowing, and we get to see a little glimpse of teh sentinal factory or something.

[Wolverini]

What screening? (And whatever his fate is - dont forget not all of us wish of find out b4 x-3 comes out) :up:

Thats why im concidering NOT to post a review on this forum but to answer PM's of people who ask what they want to know. All I will say on this forum is wether or not Cyke's will live or die... Dont worry :)

Im not suprised ... was just sarcasm :p
And about my screening ... i'll be attending a Special Screening near the Amsterdam Arena ... yes , they will show X³ to the press here. :) So cant wait!

[PWN3R]

Mine? :confused:

rofl yes!

[WorthyStevens]

Worthy....

what will you do if die , inally?

Do you imagine how people will be disapointed?

Fine. I'm sure Cyke will live.

[Wolverini]

Worthy will just run out of the cinema screaming like a little school-girl who's lollypop was just stolen bij LightningStrikez ...

[CapBeerCino]

Thats why im concidering NOT to post a review on this forum but to answer PM's of people who ask what they want to know. All I will say on this forum is wether or not Cyke's will live or die... Dont worry :)

Im not suprised ... was just sarcasm :p
And about my screening ... i'll be attending a Special Screening near the Amsterdam Arena ... yes , they will show X³ to the press here. :) So cant wait!

When? And how did you get to go?

[PWN3R]

Worthy, for your sake, I hope you are. Not for Cyke, FOR WORTHY!

[Maze]

Fine. I'm sure Cyke will live.
That's not what i ask.

but ok;):)

[Phoenix_Rising]

Even though it is Kinberg who wrote this, for one thing he never says, Sentinels are only in the danger room, they could very well be at the end to set up later sequels. Also, Kinberg got the running time wrong so what's to say the Sentinels being in is a secret even to him and infact they are in the movie other than the danger room :P!

[kytrigger]

Even though it is Kinberg who wrote this, for one thing he never says, Sentinels are only in the danger room, they could very well be at the end to set up later sequels. Also, Kinberg got the running time wrong so what's to say the Sentinels being in is a secret even to him and infact they are in the movie other than the danger room :P!

well, we don't know if he got the time wrong yet or not (even though i think he did) and either way, I highly doubt they would keep a secret like sentinels in the end from him.

[CapBeerCino]

Even though it is Kinberg who wrote this, for one thing he never says, Sentinels are only in the danger room, they could very well be at the end to set up later sequels. Also, Kinberg got the running time wrong so what's to say the Sentinels being in is a secret even to him and infact they are in the movie other than the danger room :P!

Maybe they are a secret even to Ratner! Just imagine his face when he finds out! :p

[kytrigger]

Maybe they are a secret even to Ratner! Just imagine his face when he finds out! :p

hahaha...Singer secretly snuck in and directed a few scenes...

[Orko Is King]

I hope they at least show more than a head.

[TigerClaw]

It doesn't bother me the fact the Sentinels will only be featured in the Danger Room, I think it makes perfect sense, The X-Men films were done in a real life fasion, Putting giant robots in that universe would not be believable, The X-Men movies are more about personal struggles rather then fighting giant robots or mutanted monsters. X-Men is all about people struggling with who they are and dealing with the consequences that happen afterward.

[Supreme Power]

:mad: :mad: :down

[9livesKitty]

Thats why im concidering NOT to post a review on this forum but to answer PM's of people who ask what they want to know. All I will say on this forum is wether or not Cyke's will live or die... Dont worry :)

Im not suprised ... was just sarcasm :p
And about my screening ... i'll be attending a Special Screening near the Amsterdam Arena ... yes , they will show X³ to the press here. :) So cant wait!

if i sent you a private message with questions, do you think you would be able to answer a few questions of mine? ill love you forever and ever!
--kittycat

[Morgoth]

I'm just happy I'll get to see a Sentinal in an X-men movie finally. Maybe in one of the sequels they'll play a bigger role.

[9livesKitty]

It doesn't bother me the fact the Sentinels will only be featured in the Danger Room, I think it makes perfect sense, The X-Men films were done in a real life fasion, Putting giant robots in that universe would not be believable, The X-Men movies are more about personal struggles rather then fighting giant robots or mutanted monsters. X-Men is all about people struggling with who they are and dealing with the consequences that happen afterward.

word

[Nibune]

I love how Kindberg basically tells everyone how chopped up the scene was, just to relief anyone who believed that is was a full scene, lol

Anyways, like people are saying, in the X-men RL for the time being at least, giant robots seem a bit far fetched.......................just because they dont get used now outside DR don't expect thats the end.

Also consider how the X-men got the sentinel design in the 1st place for the DR, probably explianed in the X3 Official Game.
Perhaps Sentinels were too costly? (xmen govt)
I do wonder now how Trask's role plays out now

and lastly he didnt directly say sentinels werent outside the Danger Room :/

[PikaZeroX]

All I will say on this forum is wether or not Cyke's will live or die... Dont worry :)

That's all I wanna know, I'll be waiting! Thanks Wolverini!

[Supreme Power]

I'm just happy I'll get to see a Sentinal in an X-men movie finally. Maybe in one of the sequels they'll play a bigger role.

I hope so. :( And at least hopefully there's a little bit more than what we have seen.

[josh8]

oh well, you win some, you lose some.

i hate the fact that they were wasted on a danger room scene, but i'm ok with the sentinels never appearing in the movies as a real menace. there are plenty of living villians to play with anyways.

i guess it would have been pretty hard to have a sentinel battle that would live up to fan expectations (smashing buildings, mutants getting beat down, and lots and lots of good CG) all the while not being stupid or cartoony.

[CapBeerCino]

I'm just happy I'll get to see a Sentinal in an X-men movie finally. Maybe in one of the sequels they'll play a bigger role.

Since the spin offs are prequels I find that hard to believe... Any time soon anyways...

[BizarroAids]

[quote=josh8]oh well, you win some, you lose some.

:D So true, bettter then nothing at all I suppose.

[GoldGoblin]

This sucks,they belong out of the DR.It doesn't make any sense why Trask is in the movie.

[berzerko89]

i was kind of expecting those sentinels in teh final battle... sighs! :(

[The Kid]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooo

[Passage225]

My biggest question, and I don't know if this has been brought up before, but why wouldn't it make sense to have the Sentinels actually outside of the Danger Room in this movie since X-Men: The Official Game has Sentinels and that takes place before The Last Stand? I know that movie video games always throw in stuff not related to the actual movies but how does that make sense that the X-Men would fight sentinels in the game but then they wouldn't even be created in the movies? Especially since the game is supposed to bridge what happens between X2 and X3.

[Mr Garak]

Perhaps they won't show up, but will be known as a possible threat. Trask could want to release them, the DR will be a tease to us and the characters, it would be hinted at but at the end Trask will be shot down and like, arrested or something.

[freshandclean]

I'm fine with that. I have a feeling that Sentinels in the final act would eat up the budget and I'd rather they use the money to make sure the effects they need are top notch.

[Sun_Down]

Why are there so many people freaking out? This was all but confirmed a long time ago.

[chaseter]

bad news for all of us :(
kinberg just confirmed that the sentinels are in the danger room only
here is a part of his answer:

"1. You said that the sentinels are not a big part of the movie (I'm hoping you're just covering up for Ratner letting the cat out of the bad, but I doubt it). Why was that the direction you went? They were a big part of the script (early version according to Zak, they didn't have the money to make them) in X2, why not revist them with the budget you guys had (being bigger then the first two combined)?

*We didn’t feel they fit into the scope of our story. We have Phoenix, the cure, and a number of other subplots that felt more personal and emotional than giant robots. Don’t get me wrong, I love the Sentinels in the comics. But we didn’t think they fit the broader narrative of X3."

bad news for all of us sentinels fans
And there is my proof. Love Sentinels but I knew they couldn't be any where but the DR for this film.

[The Infernal]

Well I'm dissapointed. I think that this is the wrong place to introduce the sentinels. It gives people the wrong impression about their purpose. If they explain that they were an enemy they had faced before or something else explaining their origins eslewhere then that wouldn't be so bad.

Though if they are merely robots for the X-men to train against then they are not sentinels, just big robots for training. The sentinel isn't just a big robot. The sentinel programme has it's own history and purpose.

[chaseter]

Well I'm dissapointed. I think that this is the wrong place to introduce the sentinels. It gives people the wrong impression about their purpose. If they explain that they were an enemy they had faced before or something else explaining their origins eslewhere then that wouldn't be so bad.

Though if they are merely robots for the X-men to train against then they are not sentinels, just big robots for training. The sentinel isn't just a big robot. The sentinel programme has it's own history and purpose.
It will explain it in the video game for us fans. Other than that I am sure the gerneral public either doesn't care or has no idea.

[The Infernal]

It will explain it in the video game for us fans. Other than that I am sure the gerneral public either doesn't care or has no idea.

Though movie videogames aren't part of the official time-line. They're something that can always be ignored for future sequels.

Like you say the public will have no idea. Fans who watch it won't appreciate that much of a deviation from the source material and it misrepresents them to those who aren't.

[chaseter]

Though movie videogames aren't part of the official time-line. They're something that can always be ignored for future sequels.

Like you say the public will have no idea. Fans who watch it won't appreciate that much of a deviation from the source material and it misrepresents them to those who aren't.
Incorrect. This is the official movie game and takes place between X2 and X3. Fox as well as every big wig working on this movie has said that the video game is an official part of these movies and will explain many questions that fans want answered...Why Nightcrawler isn't in X3 is one of those questions.

[Morgoth]

Since the spin offs are prequels I find that hard to believe... Any time soon anyways...I said sequels, not the spinoffs, Lauren Shuler Donner already said they plan to do alot more. Hopefully people with more imagination and love for the books will start to make more faithful to the comic X-movies.

[The Infernal]

Incorrect. This is the official movie game and takes place between X2 and X3. Fox as well as every big wig working on this movie has said that the video game is an official part of these movies and will explain many questions that fans want answered...Why Nightcrawler isn't in X3 is one of those questions.

Having people who worked on the film working on the game is hardly a precedent. It's happened before. Though they may have set it in the movieverse, that doesn't neccesarily make it part of that universe.

Think of it as the movieverse equivalent to Marvel's Ultimate Team-up. Though I'm not saying out right that it isn't. I just don't think it's likely that it will be considered as such. Though if they did do that then it would be a precedent and I would be happy.

[chaseter]

Having people who worked on the film working on the game is hardly a precedent. It's happened before. Though they may have set it in the movieverse, that doesn't neccesarily make it part of that universe.

Think of it as the movieverse equivalent to Marvel's Ultimate Team-up. Though I'm not saying out right that it isn't. I just don't think it's likely that it will be considered as such. Though if they did do that then it would be a precedent and I would be happy.

We were talking about the timeline earlier. This game is and I repeat the "OFFICIAL" game for the movie verse. All the characters in the game that were in the movies have their likeliness as well as their voices I believe. It has been stated by Kinberg, etc... that the game is the events happening between X2 and X3 and will explain many things that fans want to know. Although the game might be a little more outlandish in action sequences or events, it is still set in the movieverse and follows the same aspects that the movies do.

[Superbeasto]

I really believed they would be in the final battle:(

[chaseter]

I really believed they would be in the final battle:(
Sorry:(

[Mar420x]

yea i had a good feeling that they wouldnt show up @ the end for the final battle. i guess the aint it cool script news had up last yr is looking 2 be true as the clips, trailers, and tv spots have shown. peace

[Abaddon]

again I ask,why is Trask there?

[The Infernal]

We were talking about the timeline earlier. This game is and I repeat the "OFFICIAL" game for the movie verse. All the characters in the game that were in the movies have their likeliness as well as their voices I believe. It has been stated by Kinberg, etc... that the game is the events happening between X2 and X3 and will explain many things that fans want to know. Although the game might be a little more outlandish in action sequences or events, it is still set in the movieverse and follows the same aspects that the movies do.

You can shout 'official' all you like. I'm just saying that it's possible that they can ignore it if they wanted to, it's not set in stone. There have been other official movie games set in the same continuity etc and haven't been referrenced in the sequels.

If however this is the one time where it is referrenced in the sequels and not ignored then that would be cool.

[freshandclean]

You can shout 'official' all you like. I'm just saying that it's possible that they can ignore it if they wanted to, it's not set in stone. There have been other official movie games set in the same continuity etc and haven't been referrenced in the sequels.

If however this is the one time where it is referrenced in the sequels and not ignored then that would be cool.

Oh yeah. If, by the next film, they want to include something that conflicts with the video game, they would totally ignore it.

[The Infernal]

Oh yeah. If, by the next film, they want to include something that conflicts with the video game, they would totally ignore it.

Yes, that's more or less it. Though they could easily validate the game by including certain elements in the upcoming movie.

[migs]

this is kind of sad news, but I guess sentinels weren't really necessary for the final battle. One thing though, if they don't show up and Mr. Trask has no referenced link to the sentinels in the movie, I will be really pissed. Why would they pick him to be an aide to the pres, just for the sake of a random comic reference. Boo. Bad choice. Better to have a randomly named person than a character that is easily recognized as being attached to the sentinel program.

The best way to handle the sentinel issue if they don't show up in the final battle, imo, is to have the x men battling the robot in the DR because they have encountered similar prototype sentinels in the past, and then to have a scene with trask and the pres at a sentinel manufacturing facility at the end of the movie discussing the need for drastic measures after some crazy stuff happens in the final battle.

[chaseter]

You can shout 'official' all you like. I'm just saying that it's possible that they can ignore it if they wanted to, it's not set in stone. There have been other official movie games set in the same continuity etc and haven't been referrenced in the sequels.

If however this is the one time where it is referrenced in the sequels and not ignored then that would be cool.
That wasn't your original complaint and argument. I simply stated and corrected you on the fact that this game is the official events between X2 and X3. I never said once that anything they do in a game cannot be overturned in future movies.

[The Infernal]

That wasn't your original complaint and argument. I simply stated and corrected you on the fact that this game is the official events between X2 and X3. I never said once that anything they do in a game cannot be overturned in future movies.

I apologise if I didn't make myself clear at the time. What I had meant was while it was official, it might not be true continuity if the filmmakers decide so at a later date.

[The Infernal]

this is kind of sad news, but I guess sentinels weren't really necessary for the final battle. One thing though, if they don't show up and Mr. Trask has no referenced link to the sentinels in the movie, I will be really pissed. Why would they pick him to be an aide to the pres, just for the sake of a random comic reference. Boo. Bad choice. Better to have a randomly named person than a character that is easily recognized as being attached to the sentinel program.

The best way to handle the sentinel issue if they don't show up in the final battle, imo, is to have the x men battling the robot in the DR because they have encountered similar prototype sentinels in the past, and then to have a scene with trask and the pres at a sentinel manufacturing facility at the end of the movie discussing the need for drastic measures after some crazy stuff happens in the final battle.

Well I guess having Trask would mean less time to develop his character and the storyline of the Sentinel programme. Presuming that they give the character good dialogue and present his viewpoint clearly, then the Sentinels could be fully introduced in X4, or even the rumoured 'new mutants' movie.

[Mike059jig]

I always thought the sentinels should show up after this huge war in X3...when all the mutants seem weakened and lead it into X4 i guess..Seeing sentinels in the Danger room is a LAME cameo and sucks!!!!

[chaseter]

I always thought the sentinels should show up after this huge war in X3...when all the mutants seem weakened and lead it into X4 i guess..Seeing sentinels in the Danger room is a LAME cameo and sucks!!!!
Better than no sentinels at all...at least we are getting them. There is no way we can fit every single thing we all want into X3 and have time.

[Mike059jig]

Better than no sentinels at all...at least we are getting them. There is no way we can fit every single thing we all want into X3 and have time.Why are they fighting a huge ROBOT in the first place shoudn't they be fight somethin there own size since their just going up against other mutants???holograms of other mutant maybe but not an oversize robot... i guess they just had to stuff the sentinels in somewhere :D

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

That wasn't your original complaint and argument. I simply stated and corrected you on the fact that this game is the official events between X2 and X3. I never said once that anything they do in a game cannot be overturned in future movies.

Actually, it's not even really "official"

It's more like the Star Wars books.

Lucas liscenses them, and allows them to take the Star Wars name, logos, characters, and all other likeness... however, they're essentially just glorified fan fiction.

Despite all the official names, logos, and other likeness, they are not a part of the official Star Wars continuity and timeline. George Lucas himself has stated that the only real timeline is the 6 movies. Nothing else counts. Luke didn't really turn to the darkside after episode 6... Boba Fett didn't really survive the Sarlacc pit.

And it's just like this. The "Official" attatched to this game is just marketing. It's "Official" because it's allowed to use the names, logos, voice overs, etc... from the movie universe. But it's happenings aren't part of the movie-verse time line.

Do you know why?

It's bad storytelling.

It's horrible storytelling to make a movie, the 3rd in a franchise, leave plotholes either in the movie itself, or between 2 movies (in this case X2 and X-Men 3) only to force the audience to have to play a game to get the answers to those plot holes. Not everyone is going to play the games. It is absolutley horrible storytelling to make your audience have to play a game, read a novelization, or access any other form of media to address questions, and essentially get the full story. If you can't tell your full story in the movie, then you're not a good storyteller.

That's why the game isn't part of the official timeline, no matter how many "Official X3" tags are put on it, and no matter how many lines Alan Cumming voice overs.

The official timeline is X-Men, X2: X-Men United, and X-Men: The Last Stand

My response towards Sentinels coming in my next post...

[Weapon M]

Well we can't get everything we want...

Making a movie, and developing a story is not as easy as it seems. I mean sometimes I think alot of us fans just want a super hero movie with a porn script. Just slap all the heroes together and give them reasons to knock the snot out of each other. Meanwhile the writers etc. Think about ways they can make the movie balanced and have all the charectors developed properly etc.
They sometimes come into problems they cannot see themselves getting out of, so they just make some sacrafices and edit out certain elements they didnt want to....--

--DAMNIT I WANT THE SENTINELS IN THE F#@$%%@$# MOVIE!!! WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY SMOKING?!?!?!?!??! FRIGGIN THROW THEM IN THERE SOMEHOW MAN!! HOW FRIGGIN HARD IS IT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? AARRRRGGGHHH!!!!!!!!! DAMN YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TNC9852002]

Well, here is my reaction to this news:

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[TigerClaw]

You know, Like it or not, We still got Sentinels in the movie, No matter if there a simulation or not, The fact to the matter is, The movie is based in the real world, Putting 50 feet tall robots attacking mutants wouldn't be believable, This movie is more about character development, Its about the drama of Humans vs Mutants and Mutants vs Mutants. In the movie were supposed to care for these characters. Having giant 50 feet robots would take away from the overall story.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

...now for my post about Sentinels.

First of all, I'd just like to address the "realism" issue.

How is a world filled with mutants who are given fantastic powers because of a gene, Cerebro, Blackbird Jets, doomsday mutating machines, and holographic training rooms, too realistic for A.I. controlled robots?

A.I. actually exists in reality. X-Genes do not.

Robots actually exist in reality. Brainwave enhancing devices to track human beings across the globe do not.

A.I. is used in hi-tech weaponry in real life. Machines that trigger this X-Gene mutation do not.

So tell me again, how is a Sentinel not realistic enough? It is hi-tech weaponry, controlled by A.I., something that exists in real life. There are plenty of things in these movies that don't exist in real life, and are purely fantastical. Sentinels are science fiction, with real life elements that could make mutant hunting robots truly believable, especially in a fictional world that has been established to be a place that is not very kind towards mutant-kind.

Now that I've gotten that out of the way, I'd like to address the lack of Sentinels in this movie...

Kinberg said that there's too much emotional stuff, i.e. the cure, Phoenix, etc... to just pack in giant robots...

Talk about over-simplification. If you think about it, Sentinels can be very emotional as well. They are weapons built because of intolerance towards a specific group of people, a weapon built for the destruction of that group of people. Tell me how that's not emotional again? And it fits in perfectly with what this movie is providing.

We have a cure for mutation. People are looking at this as a disease. These PEOPLE are diseased simply for being who they are. And this cure is developed to make these people NORMAL. The whole thought that mutants are defective people. That's very powerful.

Now expand on that...

Mutants are defects, and need to be "cured" to become normal... we also have the "racism" so to speak against this group of people. The fear that surrounds them. It's been talked about how people are scared to have their children going to school with mutants. Now we have these weapons developed for the sole purpose of dealing with the mutant threat. Something that Magneto predicted. Something that he lived through, something that he didn't want to ever see happen again.

Sentinels are basically the X-Men universe's fantastical version of the Nazi death camps. Kinberg's reply is like saying the Nazi death camps weren't emotional, because they were just buildings, locations. But that's so far from the truth. Those buildings, those locations, were there for one purpose... the slaughter of millions of people for no other reason than being different from what was deemed to be acceptable.

And that's exactly what Sentinels are. Weapons designed for one purpose... the capture or destruction of those who are different from what's deemed to be acceptable. Now tell me that's not emotional. It gives Magneto's motives complete justification. It brings his arc full circle. His whole reason for not being a pacifist, and believing that mutants and humans could never co-exist... "Let them kill me and they'll have a number burned into your head with the rest of them"

When this war occurs... when the Brotherhood marches on Alcatraz, a cure won't be enough. And neither will the Registration Act. Drastic times call for drastic measures. And these weapons built for one purpose, and one purpose alone, are the drastic measures to be taken when a group of mutants is destroying a world famous landmark, and launching an assault on another landmark, putting thousands upon thousands of lives at stake.

It's also kind of hypocritical that the reasoning for not including Gambit was because they wanted to get his character right... yet by not including Sentinels, they are totally inaccuratley portraying another major character in the X-Men universe, Bolivar Trask.

I think that this is a missed oppourtunity, and a very big one. Sentinels being the major threat from the humans would have been HUGE. But instead, we're getting a glorified version of the final battle from X-Men with the X-Men vs. the Brotherhood, and toss in some cannon fodder soldiers with guns into the mix...

These questions still remain though...

With Kinberg's latest comments about the Sentinels, if he really is confirming they aren't outside of the Danger Room, then why would he say "spoiler" before, when directly asked if they were outside the Danger Room?

And the other question, which is pretty big to me, if Sentinels are merely going to be in the Danger Room, and not be a part of the plot, why would they have their description on the main page? Why would they talk about a "last resort", and deals with big time weapons & arms manufacturers? And why would they mention something along the lines of "when this last resort is put into effect, we can only hope that mutantkind is prepared for this threat"?

And a final question, despite my feelings towards the game being an official part of the movie timeline, it is still based on the movie-verse... the backgrounds of all the characters there are based on the movie verse counterparts, not the 616. If Sentinels aren't in, and Trask doesn't produce Sentinels, why does the game website name Trask as the creator of the Sentinels?

Is it neccesarily looking good for Sentinels to be in the final battle? Probably not.

But the question hasn't been totally answered yet. It's been strongly hinted at. But there is still some evidence pointing towards them still appearing.

Afterall... there is a contridiction between Kinberg's runtime, and the runtime we are hearing here. Kinberg also stated that he feels disappointed about how much information has been revealed at this point. It could be a possibility (even if it's a slim one) that Kinberg is trying his damndest to at least keep SOMETHING unknown for May 26th.

I will end with this; if Sentinels do end up only being a Danger Room training simulation... it is better than nothing. BUT, it's pretty much the same as having Gambit's name on the computer screen in X2. It's a nice nod, but the character still isn't there.

It's not a real Sentinel when it's just a training simulation, and everything that a Sentinel stands for is not put into effect.

Just like it wasn't really Gambit when all we saw was a name on a computer screen.

Will the Danger Room sequence be awesome? Most likely. But Gambit's name on the computer screen is a pretty awesome 1.3 seconds also... doesn't mean it's satisfying.

[Weapon M]

I'm sorry Nell2ThaIzzay I'm not reading that.... It's a post not a screenplay.. My eyes are just too tired and too overwhelmed to read so much. I only read books if it changes something about me in the end.. Something like my life.. I dont think this will... I think it will be like Chinese.. I'll still be wondering what happend...
Lets just saayy i agree. okay?

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I'm sorry Nell2ThaIzzay I'm not reading that.... It's a post not a screenplay.. My eyes are just too tired and too overwhelmed to read so much. I only read books if it changes something about me in the end.. Something like my life.. I dont think this will... I think it will be like Chinese.. I'll still be wondering what happend...
Lets just saayy i agree. okay?

There's no need to reply to me if you're not going to read it.

[Weapon M]

Nell2ThaIzzay

you know I love you

[GoldGoblin]

I always thought the sentinels should show up after this huge war in X3...when all the mutants seem weakened and lead it into X4 i guess..Seeing sentinels in the Danger room is a LAME cameo and sucks!!!!

^Tell me about it,what a huge disappointment.

[Proteus-X312]

Sentinels outside the Danger Room might have meant too many plot points towards the end of the film with Phoenix, the cure and the brotherhood already taking up space.

I would have preferred if they didn't have Sentinels at all as they should really be a leading plot point in a different X-Men film.I agree.I always thought that they might appear in the final battle but I realized that it would be way too cluttered.The X-Men have to take on Dark Phoenix and the new Brotherhood which is alot going on in itself.X3 will still be great.:up:

[XCharlieX]

I dont have any issue with sentinels in the movie, as long as theyre done in a camp free fashion: lose the purple, show their power and as Nell said put them to use for story: a weapon of intolerance. In the x men future, technology has apparently made some advancements due to mutation research etc so i may not have a problem. I may have an issue with them flying, as if done wrong it could look ridiculous. I respect your povs Nell as you bring interesting conversation everytime, so ill have to peacefully disagree here again. IMO in a movie with people flying, if directed wrong, it could strain the premise and look like a collection of scifi cliches. Like I said before.. the unknown is a tightrope. Theres rules to make intelligent humans believe it.. and that means not going overboard with 100 unrelated outlandish ideas. I have always went by that approach and love movies that do such.

[eXperiment]

Well, here is my reaction to this news:

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LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[britrogue]

Personally, I don't think the sentinels serve any purpose to the plot of the story. Seeing them in the DR is enough for me.

[XCharlieX]

Yea its not a major thing... but if they did use them in actual story, there needs to be some purpose to them other than action tools. I really dont mind either way either.

[Casius--J]

I thought that'd be the case before i even saw that clip. Just seemed like the danger room was a giant easter egg for the fans, so havin that and a sentinel in one would be fun.

I would rather them have a more active role as growing up they used to be a huge deal in the cartoons and to see them get this treatment sucks.

Ah well nothing i can do but wait to see this film which still looks cool by the way!

[Nathan]

If the Sentinels don't have a big part in the story, then why have them in the Danger Room at all? Why train to fight against giant robots if you'll never encounter any?

[Majmun]

So what is Trask talking about when he says, "You know what has to be done." ? Send in the troops? Pllllleeeeaaassseeeeeee, give me a break. That is stupid, oh well.

[Lightning Strykez!]

We already have the ultimate threat--the Dark Phoenix--bearing down upon our heroes. To have Sentinels in the final battle would only take the focus off her.

This will be fine.

[JokerNick]

So what is Trask talking about when he says, "You know what has to be done." ? Send in the troops? Pllllleeeeaaassseeeeeee, give me a break. That is stupid, oh well.

and a complete rehash of X2.............:)

[Knightsaber Priss]

Well, here's hoping the Sentinels feature prominently in another movie. There is just way too much stuff from the comics to limit the franchise to only 3 movies.

[DarknessOfDeath]

We already have the ultimate threat--the Dark Phoenix--bearing down upon our heroes. To have Sentinels in the final battle would only take the focus off her.

This will be fine.

I definately agree with her er you. lol... Phoenix is DESTRUCTION!! Mauahaha. Im not a big fan of robots vs humans.

[XCharlieX]

and a complete rehash of X2.............:)

It depends... seems to me Stryker was one dude hellbent on his own little vendetta. Isolated incident. This time looks like the government is rounding them up like cattle, and at some point may result in an order to kill them all. Its a delicate dynamic to keep it fresh... another reason why im worrying a bit about the film...this takes talent.

[JokerNick]

It depends... seems to me Stryker was one dude hellbent on his own little vendetta. Isolated incident. This time looks like the government is rounding them up like cattle, and at some point may result in an order to kill them all. Its a delicate dynamic to keep it fresh... another reason why im worrying a bit about the film...this takes talent.

well we have scene soldiers vs. mutants before........... I think people are expecting a lil more this time......... I really think it would have been cool to see protype setinels fighting alongside soldiers against mutants........

and the thing is too, we don't know why trask is after the mutants...... we first had politicians, then soldiers, and now........ more soldiers...... Ijust am gonna to find it unbelievable that after a handful of mutants took down a hole regiem of soldiers in X2, that they will send soldiers out after a greater number of mutants, seems like the goverment should have thought their plan out more

"you know what we have to do" Trask

"yes, lets do what we did last time, send out the soldiers" President

I think it would have been very cool to have the president be like "soldiers are inifective against theses mutants"

then trask is like "we solved that problem Mr President, we have developed the "ultimate" solution, to the mutant epidemitic, it was started by Willam sryker, he called it project w....... (forget what it was called), but I call them "sentinels"

[XCharlieX]

Fair enough... but personally i wouldnt mind if it were just soldiers again.. as its simply the final confrontation all the same, but without robots.

[Knightsaber Priss]

I definately agree with her er you. lol... Phoenix is DESTRUCTION!! Mauahaha. Im not a big fan of robots vs humans.

Well, I think my avatar is kind of a clue as to where I stabd with Robots vs. Humans. But besides that, the X-Men characters are not humans though, they're mutants imbued with powers so it could work.

[Angamb]

Simon hasn't said there won't be sentinels in the final battle, guys, only they aren't a big part, so either a very very very little part, that would be if they only appear in the DR, so, I think there will be a few of them at the end.

[Storm22]

I wouldn't get your hopes up Angamb.

[Paste Pot Pete]

We already have the ultimate threat--the Dark Phoenix--bearing down upon our heroes. To have Sentinels in the final battle would only take the focus off her.

This will be fine.

But what of the human element? They won't have a presence in the end, short of soldiers?

[Mike059jig]

I don't sentinels will show up in the end.....if they show up in the Dr and end that would be a little wierd and need explaination...and i think they shouldn't made the sentinel that big..i always invisioned somewhat like the robot from the Judge dredd movie..that was cool..some thing like the x2 sketches

[pyrothebest]

If the Sentinels don't have a big part in the story, then why have them in the Danger Room at all? Why train to fight against giant robots if you'll never encounter any?
I'm totally agree with that , it will be so strange if xavier explain that is just a big bad robot for training , because xavier love robot ? I believe they appears at the end , i mean , the sentinel of trask.

[Alexei09]

How does Bolivar Trask fit into this now?

[WorthyStevens]

Well, here is my reaction to this news:

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/9880/patrickagain6gs4me.gif

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HAH! :D

[Seen]

Sentinels could really end the movie quickly. They'd just have to stomp on all the muties and humans fairly quick. Wham. End of story. Sentinels rule the world. Similar to why Xavier is dying -- he's so damn powerful he could end the movie before the third act even begins.

[TigerClaw]

If they were ever to have a storyline with Sentinels, They would also have to include Master Mold, Whose an AI that controls the Sentinels.

[truth0ne SGC]

Sentinels play a part in the video game, which "officially" tie X2 to X3, right?

Also, plugging in "sentinels" on the official film site turns up an entry alluding to the fact that they exist outside of the Danger Room.

I think they'll appear at the end, due to the whole mutants battling thing...
Humans get scared (Sh**, they wrecked a national landmark!) and the gov't calls in the Sentinels to wreck shop, setting up for future flicks.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$

[Seen]

If they were ever to have a storyline with Sentinels, They would also have to include Master Mold, Whose an AI that controls the Sentinels.

Isn't that like a Sentinel too? A device that Trask builds that essentially is the Alpha Sentinel? I mean the Mastermold eventually informs the Sentinels to form their own identity and I believe the Mastermold kills Trask in the progress. Could be wrong, though.

[TigerClaw]

Isn't that like a Sentinel too? A device that Trask builds that essentially is the Alpha Sentinel? I mean the Mastermold eventually informs the Sentinels to form their own identity and I believe the Mastermold kills Trask in the progress. Could be wrong, though.
Master Mold was a super computer design in the form of a Sentinel and it had the ability to create and control other Sentinels. Master Mold was created by Trask.

[Nathan]

The Sentinels better appear at the end of the Movie. Otherwise the Sentinel fight in the DR is Bogus.

Rogue: "Professor, why do we have to fight a giant Robot? Will we have to fight them in the near future?"

Xavier: "No, I just felt like it. Now be quiet and go with the programm."

[Celestio]

The Sentinels better appear at the end of the Movie. Otherwise the Sentinel fight in the DR is Bogus.

Rogue: "Professor, why do we have to fight a giant Robot? Will we have to fight them in the near future?"

Xavier: "No, I just felt like it. Now be quiet and go with the programm."

:confused:

They're training. Since when did they fight things that they might encounter in the future? They're just training in the Danger Room and I'm pretty sure a giant robot is a good thing to use.

[Nathan]

:confused:

They're training. Since when did they fight things that they might encounter in the future? They're just training in the Danger Room and I'm pretty sure a giant robot is a good thing to use.

No it's not. When Training against a giant robot, your Teamwork tactics are adjusted according to that. Now they might he able to take succesfull a single, giant robot down, but they won't know what to do when they are faced against a battalion of heavily armed Soldiers.

[Celestio]

No it's not. When Training against a giant robot, your Teamwork tactics are adjusted according to that. Now they might he able to take succesfull a single, giant robot down, but they won't know what to do when they are faced against a battalion of heavily armed Soldiers.

Yeah, the teamwork tactics being them all focused on one target, making it easier for the students if it is one of their first times in the DR.

I don't know about you, but I'd prefer to see the sentinel than an army of soldiers. Ratner has included it for us fans, as it looks like it can't be included in the actual main story of the film. You could be grateful that we are seeing one at all.

[liverlips]

Yeah, the teamwork tactics being them all focused on one target, making it easier for the students if it is one of their first times in the DR.

I don't know about you, but I'd prefer to see the sentinel than an army of soldiers. Ratner has included it for us fans, as it looks like it can't be included in the actual main story of the film. You could be grateful that we are seeing one at all.

I agree. I also think the Danger Room is a more fitting place for the Sentinels. However, I'm still crossing my fingers that we get more than Sasquatch footage; I was hoping we'd get to see X-men snatched up in giant, metal mitts.

[Supreme Power]

I agree. I also think the Danger Room is a more fitting place for the Sentinels. However, I'm still crossing my fingers that we get more than Sasquatch footage; I was hoping we'd get to see X-men snatched up in giant, metal mitts.

Me too but I seriously doubt it. :(

[Avalanche]

The X3 site description of Sentinels is interesting.

Rumours have been circling within the US Government - even within the Department of Mutant Affairs - of a 'last resort' option to handle the mutant issue. Permanently. These whispers have led to further investigation of little-known contracts with high-tech armour and advanced weaponry manufacturers. While still in rumour status, if such an option does come into fruition, we can only hope mutants will be prepared for such a drastic measure.

Perhaps, even though Sentinels aren't included outside of the Danger Room, they will be mentioned in background in government scenes, and perhaps in reference to the Danger Room when the X-Men fight one.

[TNC9852002]

Yeah, who knows? :p

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[EmmaFrostRules]

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