Relaxed discussion of negative attitude to movie.

[Star Wars Fan]

Ok first of all I don’t want to sound like a troll.

We all have our own points of view and we are here as fans to share them.

This is my own personal opinion and I look forward to reading others.

I have a bad feeling about this Movie for a number of reasons.

I was 6 when I went to see the original it blew me away I did not question the choice of Actors or the storyline as a child I loved the action and the magic and the John Williams music.

Superhero movies since have not lived up to the same standard Batman Spiderman Hulk ect.

The other main blockbuster for me as a child was the Star Wars trilogy and this franchise has just returned with 3 average to bad movies.

I am not taking a shot at this movie in particular so much it just seems like they don’t make them like they use to.

Another point Superman the Movie stood alone but these days there are lots of Superhero movies and mostly bad.
I did not like the Spiderman movies or the Batman movies and I hated Hulk, however Batman Begins was quite good and I hope the new Superman movie can surprise me I really do.

In 1979 after years of Superman being in low budget productions Superman the Movie blasted it’s way onto the screen it was full of great effects in Widescreen and super stereo sound.
In 1979 at home we had a crummy little television and seeing Superman on the big screen was an experience.

Fast forward to today I have a huge Screen at home a powerful sound system and Superman the Movie is part of my collection.

Maybe the main problem I have with this movie is I am no longer a kid.
Back when we were kids we had less and seeing Superman was an event will kids these days care.

Now on the other hand if this movie turns out to be really good I fear it won’t capture the sense of event that we as children felt in the 1970s.

I know some fans will say I am just going to bash no matter what kind of movie comes out in the end and maybe they are right.

It’s possible that the main problem with this movie is that it’s out of it’s time and it will never replace itself in my mind with the movie I seen when I was a chid no matter how good it is.

Just one last point Christopher Reeve was Superman for me and It makes me feel a bit old and also a little sad to think things have moved on.
A little like James Bond we are going onto the 6th actor and many people still prefer Sean Connery after all these years.

[Ita-KalEl]

We have only to wait :)
We have no elements to say nothing.

[Kane]

Ok first of all I don’t want to sound like a troll.


You failed.

[VGPOP]

You failed.


hahahaha!...:)

[Star Wars Fan]

All movies get ripped apart these days that the age we live in.
I think from the little bits I have seen Spacey is one of the high points of the movie.

[Ita-KalEl]

This movie is going to be ripped apart after people see it. Fanboys are just going to go nuts i'm afraid. Just from the Trailer, i see a terrible looking superman, makes Dean Cain seem godly, and terrible storyline from what i can tell. The whole Lois with a kid deal, and Spacey, who love is making his own version of Hackmen's Lex, not the true comicbook Lex. I'm afraid for this movie. Just should have spliced clips of all the other superman movies together, and called that superman returns


My girlfriend thinks that SR is a movie of the same level of Spiderman.
She liked very much the trailer, more than the Spiderman 2 trailer...but she prefers the dark hero a la Batman.

[Star Wars Fan]

Another reason I have a bad feeling is that a number of big budget summer movies have been trash.
Waterworld Hulk ect.
Fans should remember that box office numbers are not everything.
King Kong did not do very well but I loved it.

[Superfreak]

Maybe the main problem I have with this movie is I am no longer a kid.
Back when we were kids we had less and seeing Superman was an event will kids these days care.



you post, and within your question, you already answered. Movies will always resonate with younger kids more than adults, because we adults are always looking for more. We have opinions and biases which have been made concrete in our minds. We want to see what we want to see. Children on the other hand are the exact opposite. This lose sight of what they want, when they are amazed by what they have.

Now you used SW in your example, and I must say, that if one goes back and watchs ANH, it is a very bad movie. Awesome mind you, but not exactly the greatest, most well written film out there. It's a bad movie. Pull out the score, and the F/X, and you have a pretty substandard space adventurer movie. But like you I love it. When I was a kid, this was the greatest movie ever.

So yeah, kids will always be more open to what a film is offering, simply because they haven't gotten to the point in their lives where what they want is far more demanding than what they get.

Such is life, childhood ignorance was bliss.

[Bat Attack]

You failed.
Haha, good one! :up:

[Lightning54SC]

id like to know what happens when his eyes look all messed up at the end is it pain or anger????

[Star Wars Fan]

Back in the 70s movies never got ripped apart on the internet for some strange reason:confused:

[Ita-KalEl]

Hey pals, before posting always the same speculations (full of crap), you have to go to read the SHHH set report! It sounds great!:up:

[WormyT]

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/576/patty0lf.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[WormyT]

ops

[The Guard]

I wish Chris Reeve was 30 years younger and...alive. But he's not.

SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE was good. It wasn't THAT good.

[blind_fury]

I wish Chris Reeve was 30 years younger and...alive. But he's not.

SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE was good. It wasn't THAT good.
Blasphemy!!! :eek:

It's still the best superhero movie ever made. :supes:

[CGHulk]

Blasphemy!!! :eek:

It's still the best superhero movie ever made. :supes:
I agree! Reeve is the best Superman thus far!
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/6978/superman20en.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[The Kid]

If there's a god, I bet he looks like that picture of reeve right now. Just up there looking at us with a smile.

[FreeRadical]

I agree! Reeve is the best Superman thus far!
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/6978/superman20en.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Wow! :eek:

[The Kid]

he really was perfect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G77EKbYOzGM&search=christopher%20reeve

I think the guy in gray sounds a little like the new superman.

[C. Lee]

Back in the 70s movies never got ripped apart on the internet for some strange reason:confused:
Please tell me you are being facetious.:(

[skruloos]

Please tell me you are being facetious.:(
Obviously. Because Al Gore wasn't Vice President in the 70's. And we all know that he invented the Internet.

[BareKnucklez]

Blasphemy!!! :eek:

It's still the best superhero movie ever made. :supes:

I agree! Reeve is the best Superman thus far!
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/6978/superman20en.jpg

IMO Batman Begins is the best Superhero movie ever made... Chris Reeve is just the best actor ever picked in a Superhero movie for the title role.
Nobody will ever really embodied a superhero character like Chris.
He simply BECAME Superman... Bale & Keaton are both a close 2nd, and 3rd.
As a movie Superman The Movie was a good movie but it has ALOT of flaws, and plot holes.
The acting wasn't that great in the first movie all around other then Reeve.
The acting only got worse after Part 2.. But those movies are gold because of Chris... He simply IS Superman.. Also another reason why the WB has had such a problem bringing the series back... They knew that alot of people wouldnt accept a new Superman so easily...

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Please tell me you are being facetious.:(

Why are people throwing around the word facetious like they just heard it for the first time? :confused:

Not you specifically C Lee, just something I've noticed :o

[skruloos]

knew that alot of people wouldnt accept a new Superman so easily...
Not true. People warmed up to Tom Welling. If they could warm up to him, then they can warm up to someone else.

[BareKnucklez]

Not true. People warmed up to Tom Welling. If they could warm up to him, then they can warm up to someone else.

ahhh yes but they really took to Welling because he brought something new to the role, and wasn't just another actor trying to act like how Chris Reeve did in the movies.
Also Welling had the torch passed by Reeve himself, and for this alot of people see him as this Generations face to Superman.
Even writer of Superman Returns Dan Harris said this, and Singer also has said it. But you were right people did warm up to Welling, and to some point Cain but still when someone says SUPERMAN the man you think of is Reeve.
True or not? lol :)

[Wong Fei-Hung]

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/6978/superman20en.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Nice photo, it reminds me of the Alex Ross Superman somewhat.

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/8453/wa1253pdsupermanportrait6sg.jpg

[skruloos]

ahhh yes but they really took to Welling because he brought something new to the role, and wasn't just another actor trying to act like how Chris Reeve did in the movies.
LOL. Is that why they bought into him? Then why didn't they buy into Dean Cain? His was completely different from Reeve's Clark and Superman. No. That has nothing to do with it.


Also Welling had the torch passed by Reeve himself, and for this alot of people see him as this Generations face to Superman.
HAHAHAHAHA. The torch being "passed" thing always makes me laugh. For a lot of people? Yes. Because Smallville is such a HUGE hit. It hits a certain demographic and does fairly well for the WB. But it's not as big as flagship shows on other networks, which have much larger viewership.


Even writer of Superman Returns Dan Harris said this, and Singer also has said it. But you were right people did warm up to Welling, and to some point Cain but still when someone says SUPERMAN the man you think of is Reeve.
True or not? lol :)
Of course. But them thinking of Reeve doesn't mean they will not accept someone else in the role.

[C. Lee]

Why are people throwing around the word facetious like they just heard it for the first time? :confused:

Not you specifically C Lee, just something I've noticed :o
My using it there...is the first time I have seen it here at the Hype in months. So I don't know who you are referring to.

[Showtime]

I personally have never seen it used here, but that doesn't mean anything, I am like a cat that's territory consists of it's yard.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

My using it there...is the first time I have seen it here at the Hype in months. So I don't know who you are referring to.

At least 4-5 threads on the hype I've seen it in and other forums have it circulating a good bit. Meh

[C. Lee]

I personally have never seen it used here, but that doesn't mean anything, I am like a cat that's territory consists of it's yard.
ANGRY CAT SAYS - Get back in your own yard!!:mad:
http://www.thecatgallery.com/images/lion-cut-1.jpg

[Showtime]

ANGRY CAT SAYS - Get back in your own yard!!:mad:
http://www.thecatgallery.com/images/lion-cut-1.jpg
If' that's angry, this is bordering on Psycho.
http://www.gagreport.com/Fake%20Ads/crazy_cat.jpg

[explode7]

Thats a manip.

[C. Lee]

If' that's angry, this is bordering on Psycho.
http://www.gagreport.com/Fake%20Ads/crazy_cat.jpg
I"ll see your Psycho....and raise you one "Mightely Pissed"

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b359/Spider-X/backoff.jpg

[explode7]

Thats another manip.

[Showtime]

I"ll see your Psycho....and raise you one "Mightely Pissed"

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b359/Spider-X/backoff.jpg

I'll call...One Large Cat and a Monkey...

http://www.zen25051.zen.co.uk/b3ta/evil-polar-cat.jpg

[C. Lee]

I'll call...One Large Cat and a Monkey...

http://www.zen25051.zen.co.uk/b3ta/evil-polar-cat.jpg
I raise you a....kitty cat with an Uzi!!!

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/gordonballroom/forum/chow_yun_cat1Small.jpg

[\S/JcDc\S/]

*yawn*

[Showtime]

I raise you a....kitty cat with an Uzi!!!

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/gordonballroom/forum/chow_yun_cat1Small.jpg

Nicely played! I can't beat that. You win C. Lee....


For now...

http://www.mycathatesyou.com/images/cats/2001/12/donovan.jpg

[skruloos]

I raise you a....kitty cat with an Uzi!!!

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/gordonballroom/forum/chow_yun_cat1Small.jpg
Meanwhile, from the building across the street...
http://blog.dbthoughts.com/C1404482591/E670175878/Media/bewarethesniperkitten.jpg
Another kitten takes aim.

[The Kid]

lol cats

[C. Lee]

Nicely played! I can't beat that. You win C. Lee....


For now...

I'm sure we will meet on the battlefield again my good opponent.........

[C. Lee]

Meanwhile, from the building across the street...
http://blog.dbthoughts.com/C1404482591/E670175878/Media/bewarethesniperkitten.jpg
Another kitten takes aim.
YIKES.......he got the drop on me!!!!

http://www.afghania.com/modules/My_eGallery/gallery/Fun/cat%20being%20gun%20down.jpg

[C. Lee]

Well...we sidetracked enough....time for us to get back on topic please.

[Stringer]

I agree! Reeve is the best Superman thus far!
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/6978/superman20en.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
I dont see how Reeve could ever be topped, I mean look at that. Its not really fair to compare Routh to this:o

[The Kid]

how? With singer making this movie so closely tied to the originals comparison is an inevitability. He either matches reeve, surpasses him or joins Dean Cain in the "ok" pile.

[DavidTyler]

I find it completely telling that the one thread that actually came right out and told us what kind of movie this was going to be and how it was leaning more toward the campy side of things was completely yanked.

Search for it. it was Moriarty has read the script.

In the thread, Moriarty told us - without posting the whole script - what was to be expected ... including how the kid is introduced. Apparently, the kid is sickly and sneezing all over the place until one day he decides to pick up a piano and throw it at someone.

And Luthor will have a wig fetish.

[Nivek]

Im sorry david, but did you get lost finding the door? I thought you said you were going bye bye because there was nothing of intrest left for you in the film after Moriartys review?

[Robocoastie]

the odd thing to me is how freaking young everyone is! If Superman left after some time then why is everyone younger than they were in the first superman movie even? Stupid, just stupid.

[sf2]

Quote:
Originally Posted by darthbakpao
now i see the idea of the reason why the kid being Supes'. Superman always feels like an outsider, being the only one left of his 'race'. That's the reason why he left earth and travel to his home planet. So, in the end he found another one like him, his kid...it comes full circle then... well, like you said, that's the whole story


ya, that's the whole story... don't know if i should cry or laugh at it.

[Hunter Rider]

I was gonna say that this thread is just another pointless riff on the AICN and Trailer ones already here but the cat war entertained me so it's cool:o :up:

[GreenKToo]

Ahhhh,cat wars.I smell the makings of a triolgy.sniff,sniff,no,never mind,its my litter box.

[DACrowe]

Well we'll just wait and see. I think the buzz right now is apathy. Superman is no longer "as cool" to the mainstream as the other big ones, namely Batman, X-Men and of course Spider-Man. BTW if you did not like SM2, which was drama and humor tied into a great summer pleaser with a lot of romance....you may be in for a disappointment here, but we'll see though.

Anyway, I think this movie will either be huge or disappointing. If it can connect with mainstream audiences, I could see it doing a POTC. No one expected much out of that film but it turned out to be great HUMOROUS FUN FOR EVERYONE and boom it was the biggest live action movie of the summer. If SR can transcend into that perfect crowd pleasing summer movie (I'd say other examples are Indy Jones, BTTF, the Spider-Man movies, Jurassic Park, Mask of Zorro, of course SW, etc.) then it will be huge.

However if it does not connect with audiences and comes off as boring or just silly and stupid (which I HIGHLY doubt) then expect it to pull in Hulk numbers.

I am merely speaking of buzz which is in relation to box office and not quality. However, oddly enough Superman the character no longer has the hype around him to garuntee a huge box office, he can be a blockbuster still, but to go into the stratosphere he has to hit one out of the park for everyone here then.

[Star Wars Fan]

If that thing about the kid having super powers is true Superman is in for a very hard landing at least in my books.
And I am serious I am not trying to be a troll we have free choice I mean nobody is forcing anybody to watch this movie and if some people don’t like the movie it should not spoil the enjoyment of those that do.
My ( personal opinion ) which people are free to disagree with is that this movie is out of it’s time.
The box office take has been down in the last few years people are tired of sequels prequels remakes and retakes.

The big summer blockbusters of the last ten years or so really don’t stand the test of time.
Independence Day, Spiderman, Terminator 3, The Day After Tomorrow, Alien 3 and 4 Jurassic Park 1-3 and the terrible Matrix trilogy.

I know some of you are genuinely frustrated that people like myself just seem to bash but I hope this post will open the door to understanding of were I am coming from.

Really bad movies.
Men in Black was funny then we got Men in Black 2
Final Destination 1-3 or was it 4
Scream 1-3
Scary Movie 1-3 and all it’s clones
Planet of the Apes remake
Lost in Space
Wild Wild West
Basic Instinct 2
Psycho line for line remake
Mission Impossible 1-3
Speed 2
And yes the Star Wars prequels also although the last one was good pity about the other two.
And there are many more.

I think Hollywood has turned into a crap factory and the box office numbers back this up.
Everything has to be based on a safe well established franchise and no matter how bad the movie is you can be sure of the Special Edition DVD five or six months down the road with deleted scenes nobody cares about.

Either I am growing old and cynical or Hollywood has or a bit of the two.

It seems to me if you look back at the 70s and early 80s you have a number or firsts and original movies.
Dirty Harry
Jaws
Exorcist
Superman the Movie
Star Wars
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Alien
The Omen
Airplane
Raiders if the Lost Ark
Police Academy
The downside of this list is a lot of these good movies had bad sequels but no matter how bad the sequels they were made because the first movie was so good.
These days the bad movies get endless sequels and even prequels.

In fairness I will admit that there were bad movies in the late 70s and early 80s also but there were plenty of great movies too.
These days it’s the other way around.

I have this nagging feeling that Superman Returns will try and wrap itself up in the clothes of Superman the Movie and at the same time try and bring the franchise up to date while failing to realise that this franchise is out of date.

I know there was Superman before 1979 but Superman the Movie was a landmark for many different reasons as were a number of others movies around the same time.

The Da Vinci Code looks about the best bet this summer from what I have seen and even this could be a stinker.

Another thing that disturbs me about the talk surrounding this Superman Returns movie is the talk of setting it up for a sequel it seems like the producers are more concerned with reviving the franchise rather then making a good movie.

Now there is a chance that this movie might surprise me and be really good and I hope it does, and if it does it will clean up because this summer the line up of movies looks depressing to say the least.


King Kong surprised me and I think the reason it did not do better is because people turned off when they heard of yet another movie remake.

Maybe some of you hardcore fans should go easy on us bashers because if we bash enough Hollywood might just take a risk and finance a big budget original movie once in while.

Even hardcore fans must admit if SR turns out to be a really good movie it will be the exception rather then the rule these days.:)

[The Kid]

Im exausted after reading all that. Hollywood's been doing pretty well with their movies these days despite a bunch of stinkers coming out too. Singer's made some good films IMO, so the natural conclusion I've drawn is that this film will be above average no matter what. It may not be god's gift to all mankind, but it'll do its job and entertain the hell out of every single one of us. I hate spidey for its deviations from the comic and its cornball story/characters but I'll admit I enjoyed what was good in it and got my money's worth from the fx at the end and hardcore fighting. So if it's an average film, I'll give it some slack but honestly I can't see just a passable average ho hum film coming from singer, especially with something as big and grand as this film is.

I do agree that I'd have preferred a re-start instead of a love letter to donner though... but I understand why they did it this way. It's hollywood afterall. And maybe you won't have to watch donner's version to completely understand returns?

that is all. carry on.

[Lucid]

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[The Kid]

lol :D

[Star Wars Fan]

Funny thing I just listed The Omen as one of the all time greats when I was attacking remakes retakes ect now look at this I only just found it.

http://www.themovieblog.com/archives/2005/07/omen_remake.html

:(

[sf2]

i believe the number of people reject the super kid isn't any less than the people who can accept it.
is it called a win-win situation?

[The Kid]

more like a draw. Or a tie. Or a stand-off. I call it a mixed reaction. Nobody's counting this movie out just yet, only because supes might be a father in it. I see most are hopeful although dissapointed. The idea to me is actually interesting but im aware it might not work to have supes dedicated to both serving humanity and being a parent.

Its tragic. What's better to do be completely altruistic or find personal happiness...

In superman 2, theres a deleted scene where he decides to do what he was destined to do and says goodbye to lois. and lois says "never forget..." It's all like peter pan in a way. Pan is just always going to be this immortal kid who hates growing up and can't every be with wendy who decides that she must grow up like a normal person. Poor pan can't have it both ways, be a kid forever and have wendy. We see in Hook that he chooses to grow up when he falls in love with wendy's daughter and well... I for one thought that movie was cool... so maybe this one will be to me too.

[skruloos]

In fairness I will admit that there were bad movies in the late 70s and early 80s also but there were plenty of great movies too.
These days it’s the other way around.
I seriously think that this is just because everything looks better in hindsight. It's easy to overlook the poor films because they were forgettable. The good ones stay fresh in your mind because they were good. However, today all films are much fresher in your memory so you'll remember even the bad films.

I think the 90's and the last few years have produced some pretty memorable films. Shawshank Redemption, the Lord of the Rings trilogy and Saving Private Ryan easily match the movies you mentioned. For every Dog Day Afternoon, we've got a movie like Good Night and Good Luck.

If you really think back and look year by year in the 70's and 80's, there are a handful of movies per year. The same is true for modern films.

[DavidTyler]

Im sorry david, but did you get lost finding the door? I thought you said you were going bye bye because there was nothing of intrest left for you in the film after Moriartys review?

I'm going to keep this pleasant.


Whatever impressions you had are yours and yours alone.

I still intend to post here because I'm now just looking for interesting conversation.

Does this clear up any of the mystery for you?

[SolidSnakeMGS]

I seriously think that this is just because everything looks better in hindsight. It's easy to overlook the poor films because they were forgettable. The good ones stay fresh in your mind because they were good. However, today all films are much fresher in your memory so you'll remember even the bad films.

I think the 90's and the last few years have produced some pretty memorable films. Shawshank Redemption, the Lord of the Rings trilogy and Saving Private Ryan easily match the movies you mentioned. For every Dog Day Afternoon, we've got a movie like Good Night and Good Luck.

If you really think back and look year by year in the 70's and 80's, there are a handful of movies per year. The same is true for modern films.

The 70's was one of the best times period for movies. No doubt. Sure, we get some good ones nowadays, but you had many back then.

You mention hindsight. Isn't that a really good way to judge movies? If they still look good after all this time?

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Yeah we don't have any threads open about negative aspects of the movie :rolleyes:

[skruloos]

The 70's was one of the best times period for movies. No doubt. Sure, we get some good ones nowadays, but you had many back then.
Seriously. Look at IMDB's list of movies released year by year. Compare it to one's released in the last decade. They aren't that far off from each other.

I love the films of the 70's. It was the first boom of truly independent films by young directors who actually studied film history. In a way, the 90's onward pushed that forward. There are still great movies being produced today. It just so happens that there are also a lot of crap and the crap is still fresh in our minds. The crap from the 70's is no longer fresh because let's face it, it's crap.


You mention hindsight. Isn't that a really good way to judge movies? If they still look good after all this time?
Of course. Which is why comparing today's movies with the movies from the 70's is not fair. Hindisight also causes us to forget or overlook bad movies. For the movies today, we don't have the luxury of hindsight yet.