Teen Titans East, official thread!

[The Flash!]

Just announced that that team will be getting their own ongoing after appearing in TT. Here we can all talk about it, who do you guys want to see on the team?

[Assassin]

i think doom patrol is gonna be titans east

[The Flash!]

No way, didn't Geoff say it would be some new team?

[Assassin]

dunno i'm pulling **** out of my ass

[Darthphere]

I dont think Titans East warrants its own title and I dont see it being that succesful. It would have some big name on the team or something, I just dont see the need for a Second Teen Titans title.

[sethcohen]

it had to have a good pitch and premise for it to warrant its own series... im sure there will be some interesting members of the team...

[Darthphere]

it had to have a good pitch and premise for it to warrant its own series... im sure there will be some interesting members of the team...


Books get greenlit with horrible pitches....*cough*New Avengers*cough*

[sethcohen]

hahaaha, but thats marvel ;)

[hippie_hunter]

I hope that it will have some former Titans such as Red Star, Starfire, Raven, and Flamebird.

[Elongated Man]

I want to see more of that stretching guy from issue 34 of Titans, hope he's on the team.

[Emerald Knight]

Maybe even that Zatara we keep hearing about, and saw in #34, will be part of the East Titans

[Elongated Man]

That would be cool.

[The Question]

So, Johns is going to be writing this too. Hooray. :(



Not that I don't like Johns' writing, but god, he's ****ing everywhere! Also, and this is based solely upon my opinion, Teen Titans isn't that great. It's not terrible, and it sells well, but it's an average book. Until Green Lantern came along, it was Johns' worst book, I think. I say, if they're doing Titans East, give it to a new writer. Hell, give it to Peter David. He wrote what I think are two of the greatest teen centric books of all time, Young Justice and Supergirl.

[Green Lantern]

dunno i'm pulling **** out of my assThats obvious, especially since in interviews its been said that they are three entirely seperate teams.

[Green Lantern]

So, Johns is going to be writing this too. Hooray. :(



Not that I don't like Johns' writing, but god, he's ****ing everywhere! Also, and this is based solely upon my opinion, Teen Titans isn't that great. It's not terrible, and it sells well, but it's an average book. Until Green Lantern came along, it was Johns' worst book, I think. I say, if they're doing Titans East, give it to a new writer. Hell, give it to Peter David. He wrote what I think are two of the greatest teen centric books of all time, Young Justice and Supergirl.Keep Peter David away from DC imo... Hated his Supergirl and Aquaman, never read Young Justice. DC did a good thing getting rid of the Matrix/Fallen Angel Supergirl IMO.

[The Question]

Keep Peter David away from DC imo... Hated his Supergirl and Aquaman, never read Young Justice. DC did a good thing getting rid of the Matrix/Fallen Angel Supergirl IMO.


Why did you hate Supergirl?

[GoldenAgeHero]

So, Johns is going to be writing this too. Hooray. :(



Not that I don't like Johns' writing, but god, he's ****ing everywhere! Also, and this is based solely upon my opinion, Teen Titans isn't that great. It's not terrible, and it sells well, but it's an average book. Until Green Lantern came along, it was Johns' worst book, I think. I say, if they're doing Titans East, give it to a new writer. Hell, give it to Peter David. He wrote what I think are two of the greatest teen centric books of all time, Young Justice and Supergirl.

worst? it maybe your opinion but his run rocked, i never was a fan of young justice i never really cared for it. but to call his titans run worst is exagerration, your probably mad they cancelled young jutsice and promoted them to teen titans....anyways. peter david is alright but im not really a fan of his dialougue from the young justice comics especially the ones ive read. johns brings seriousness into the books.

[The Question]

worst? it maybe your opinion but his run rocked, i never was a fan of young justice i never really cared for it. but to call his titans run worst is exagerration, your probably mad they cancelled young jutsice and promoted them to teen titans....anyways. peter david is alright but im not really a fan of his dialougue from the young justice comics especially the ones ive read. johns brings seriousness into the books.


David's stuff is plenty serious. And I didn't say Titans was the worst book around. I said that it was Johns' worst book. As in, out of everything he's read that I have written, I thought Teen Titans was the worst. It's not a bad book, mind you. I just think it's kind of average as a whole. Although, I must admit that Titans of Tomorrow and Lights Out were pretty damn good arcs. The rest? Not so much for me.

[Assassin]

Thats obvious, especially since in interviews its been said that they are three entirely seperate teams.

i was messing with the guy because he started a thread about a book thats isnt even scheduled to come out yet, stop responding to all my dumb comments, i do it for a reason ;)

[Green Lantern]

Why did you hate Supergirl?First off I hated the concept. I'm a very big Pre-Crisis Supergirl fan. The fact that the post crisis "Supergirl" (and I use the term very loosely because I don't think she deserved the title) was a protoplasmic, shapeshifting, telekinetic being rather than Superman's cousin from Krypton made it more confusing than it needed to be. Then you throw in the merging with an angel and it gets even more convoluted. When DiDio took over, it was the best thing he did to bring back the original concept of Supergirl. Hell if the current version confuses the guy who runs the damn company, its in need of a change. Granted the new Kara's nowhere near the old Kara in terms of character development yet, but she only has two years under her belt whereas the old Kara had thirty. I also didn't like the fact that he basically stole the original Supergirl's secret identity too. Yes lets make someone completely unrelated to the original have the same exact civilian identity. Use a bit of creativity Peter. The Matrix version, to me will always be SGINO.

[Assassin]

I want to see more of that stretching guy from issue 34 of Titans, hope he's on the team.

Thats offspring, he's plastic mans son (well if The Kingdom is correct)

[Green Lantern]

i was messing with the guy because he started a thread about a book thats isnt even scheduled to come out yet, stop responding to all my dumb comments, i do it for a reason ;)Stop making dumb comments and I won't have to comment on them ;)

[Assassin]

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[Assassin]

First off I hated the concept. I'm a very big Pre-Crisis Supergirl fan. The fact that the post crisis "Supergirl" (and I use the term very loosely because I don't think she deserved the title) was a protoplasmic, shapeshifting, telekinetic being rather than Superman's cousin from Krypton made it more confusing than it needed to be. Then you throw in the merging with an angel and it gets even more convoluted. When DiDio took over, it was the best thing he did to bring back the original concept of Supergirl. Hell if the current version confuses the guy who runs the damn company, its in need of a change. Granted the new Kara's nowhere near the old Kara in terms of character development yet, but she only has two years under her belt whereas the old Kara had thirty. I also didn't like the fact that he basically stole the original Supergirl's secret identity too. Yes lets make someone completely unrelated to the original have the same exact civilian identity. Use a bit of creativity Peter. The Matrix version, to me will always be SGINO.
i didnt like her either, she didnt deserve the title, any thing else and she would of been cool, but shes no kara zor el

plus she ****ed luthor :(

[Assassin]

Stop making dumb comments and I won't have to comment on them ;)

you dont comment on hardly any one else but my ****, i'm not trying to be mean but **** off, i'm not a dumb ass, i just play one online.:mad:

[The Question]

First off I hated the concept. I'm a very big Pre-Crisis Supergirl fan. The fact that the post crisis "Supergirl" (and I use the term very loosely because I don't think she deserved the title) was a protoplasmic, shapeshifting, telekinetic being rather than Superman's cousin from Krypton made it more confusing than it needed to be. Then you throw in the merging with an angel and it gets even more convoluted. When DiDio took over, it was the best thing he did to bring back the original concept of Supergirl. Hell if the current version confuses the guy who runs the damn company, its in need of a change. Granted the new Kara's nowhere near the old Kara in terms of character development yet, but she only has two years under her belt whereas the old Kara had thirty. I also didn't like the fact that he basically stole the original Supergirl's secret identity too. Yes lets make someone completely unrelated to the original have the same exact civilian identity. Use a bit of creativity Peter. The Matrix version, to me will always be SGINO.


Well, first off, Supergirl didn't have the same ID. Her name was Linda Danvers. Pre Crisis Supergirl was Linda Lee. They actually made reference to the reason for the similarity in the last story arc, where the Supergirl to whome the book belonged to met Pre-Crisis Supergirl in a little time hiccup that landed her in the Pre Crisis DC earth. And, as for her not being Superman's cousin, there was a reason for that. One that I personally agree with. They were trying to have Superman, the last son of Krypton, actually be the last son of Krypton. Not the last son of Krypton, except for those three criminals, his cousin, his dog, and an entire city of tiny people.

[The Flash!]

Q knows his stuff!

[Green Lantern]

Well, first off, Supergirl didn't have the same ID. Her name was Linda Danvers. Pre Crisis Supergirl was Linda Lee. They actually made reference to the reason for the similarity in the last story arc, where the Supergirl to whome the book belonged to met Pre-Crisis Supergirl in a little time hiccup that landed her in the Pre Crisis DC earth. And, as for her not being Superman's cousin, there was a reason for that. One that I personally agree with. They were trying to have Superman, the last son of Krypton, actually be the last son of Krypton. Not the last son of Krypton, except for those three criminals, his cousin, his dog, and an entire city of tiny people.WRONG. She was Linda Lee UNTIL she got adopted by Fred and Edna DANVERS. Then she was Linda Lee Danvers. In fact she was for MOST of her existance. If need be I can scan some proof. Trust me here, I know my s**t. He doesn't have to be the only survivor of Krypton for the character to work. As long as its not over done other survivors can work very well. Is the fact that J'Onn is no longer the only Martian (and for a long time he was) detrimental to his character?

[Green Lantern]

you dont comment on hardly any one else but my ****, i'm not trying to be mean but **** off, i'm not a dumb ass, i just play one online.:mad:I'm not picking you apart to be mean, I'd do the same to anyone who makes statements that aren't really plausible. Sorry if I've offended you Assassin.

[The Question]

WRONG. She was Linda Lee UNTIL she got adopted by Fred and Edna DANVERS. Then she was Linda Lee Danvers. In fact she was for MOST of her existance. If need be I can scan some proof. Trust me here, I know my s**t.

Didn't know that.

He doesn't have to be the only survivor of Krypton for the character to work. As long as its not over done other survivors can work very well. Is the fact that J'Onn is no longer the only Martian (and for a long time he was) detrimental to his character?

Well, all the other surviving Martians are homicidal fascists who hate J'onn. So, that adds a certain layer to his story, since while he's not alone, the others like him want to kill him, so he's still alone. Having Superman still have a dog, a cousin, and an entire city full of Kryptonians, it enables him to be too caught up in his alien heratige. What DC was trying to do in part aswell was to emphasize his humanity.


Listen, I understand what you're saying. I'm just saying, while she may not have been Superman's cousin, that doesn't make her a terrible character and it doesn't make her stories suck. Besides, the Peter David series even aknowleged the Pre Crisis Supergirl. She was the main part of their final story arc.

[Green Lantern]

Didn't know that. http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8942/linda0ew.jpg

that doesn't make her a terrible character and it doesn't make her stories suck.No, that was due to horrible writing. Whats funny is that this is the SECOND time she was phased out of existance by editorial. Mike Carlin hated her too.

[The Question]

No, that was due to horrible writing. Whats funny is that this is the SECOND time she was phased out of existance by editorial. Mike Carlin hated her too.


I guess I just don't see how it's bad.

[Assassin]

i'm just saying that i dont believe half the **** that comes out of my own mouth, so dont take me seriously ;)

[Assassin]

Didn't know that.


Even I knew that. :up:

[RockSP]

Peter David wouldn't be availabe to write Titans East for a little while anyway...didn't he sign an exclusive with Marvel recently?

[The Question]

Oh, did he? Well, no matter. It wouldn't have to be David, that was just an idea. I'd simply like to see someone other than Johns. The guy's bloody everywhere.

[Assassin]

yea

[Green Lantern]

I guess I just don't see how it's bad.Because it's destroying the whole concept of what Supergirl was intended to be. That was Superman's cousin from Krypton. Instead the Matrix/Angel "Supergirl" had originally VERY little ties to Superman. She was from an alternate reality where there was no Superman, and was sent to get him to defeat the Phantom Zone criminals. What freaking right did she have to call herself Supergirl, or where his symbol? Thats what made me mad. If that character had been a different hero, and not "Supergirl" it may have been a good character, but to me it was John Byrne cheaply deciding "We need a Supergirl but she can't be Kara, so lets make her a protoplasmic blob!"

[twylight]

Because it's destroying the whole concept of what Supergirl was intended to be. That was Superman's cousin from Krypton. Instead the Matrix/Angel "Supergirl" had originally VERY little ties to Superman. She was from an alternate reality where there was no Superman, and was sent to get him to defeat the Phantom Zone criminals. What freaking right did she have to call herself Supergirl, or where his symbol? Thats what made me mad. If that character had been a different hero, and not "Supergirl" it may have been a good character, but to me it was John Byrne cheaply deciding "We need a Supergirl but she can't be Kara, so lets make her a protoplasmic blob!"

WHOA there....



*checks his blood pressure*


Let's turn our rage to the 'new' supergirl. ;)

[Green Lantern]

At least the new Supergirl has the pedigree to have that title :mad:

[Mogwai]

i think doom patrol is gonna be titans east

I think I would want this.. Gar leading one team and Vic the other.

[hippie_hunter]

The Doom Patrol aren't the Titans though. It's members are way too old, except for Beast Boy, Bumblebee, and the Herald. They are a collection of freaks, the Titans are a collection of teenagers.

[The Question]

Because it's destroying the whole concept of what Supergirl was intended to be. That was Superman's cousin from Krypton. Instead the Matrix/Angel "Supergirl" had originally VERY little ties to Superman. She was from an alternate reality where there was no Superman, and was sent to get him to defeat the Phantom Zone criminals. What freaking right did she have to call herself Supergirl, or where his symbol? Thats what made me mad. If that character had been a different hero, and not "Supergirl" it may have been a good character, but to me it was John Byrne cheaply deciding "We need a Supergirl but she can't be Kara, so lets make her a protoplasmic blob!"


That doesn't make her stories bad. That just makes her not the supergirl you wanted. There's a difference between bad stories and giving a character a name that you don't think fits. What I'm asking is, what from Peter David's comic do you think was poorly written?

[TheCorpulent1]

At least the new Supergirl has the pedigree to have that title :mad:
Weren't you a fan of Conner? :confused:

[Green Lantern]

Weren't you a fan of Conner? :confused:Conner, being a clone of Clark DID have the pedigree. Matrix "Supergirl" wasn't a clone of Kara. She was a freaking protoplasmic blob. Who then merged with an angel, then unmerged and other things. Conner also didn't blatantly rip off his silver age predeccessor's secret identity like "Supergirl" did. Hell, he didn't even HAVE a secret ID for most of his life.

That doesn't make her stories bad. That just makes her not the supergirl you wanted. There's a difference between bad stories and giving a character a name that you don't think fits. What I'm asking is, what from Peter David's comic do you think was poorly written?
I told you. First off I HATED THE CHARACTER. I'm sorry but even if it was brilliantly written (which I don't think it was) I'm not going to enjoy a comic about a character I don't like. Secondly, the fact that David couldn't be original enough to come up with a secret ID that wasn't just a blatant thieving of the silver age Supergirl's. Third, I didn't enjoy the first arc, nor how he did handle Silver Age Supergirl in "Many Happy Returns." Otto Binder, Paul Levitz, Cary Bates, Paul Kupperberg and Marv Wolfman handled the character with much more poise and intelligence than David did.

[The Question]

Conner, being a clone of Clark DID have the pedigree. Matrix "Supergirl" wasn't a clone of Kara. She was a freaking protoplasmic blob. Who then merged with an angel, then unmerged and other things. Conner also didn't blatantly rip off his silver age predeccessor's secret identity like "Supergirl" did. Hell, he didn't even HAVE a secret ID for most of his life.

First off, Matrix didn't fuse with an angel. She fused with a human, and the amalgimated entity became an angel. And, I don't see how you can dislike Supergirl for one reason, but like Superboy even though he does the same damn thing. Superboy is not what the origional Superboy was intended to be. He's Superman's clone, not Superboy as a kid.

I told you. First off I HATED THE CHARACTER. I'm sorry but even if it was brilliantly written (which I don't think it was) I'm not going to enjoy a comic about a character I don't like. Secondly, the fact that David couldn't be original enough to come up with a secret ID that wasn't just a blatant thieving of the silver age Supergirl's. Third, I didn't enjoy the first arc, nor how he did handle Silver Age Supergirl in "Many Happy Returns." Otto Binder, Paul Levitz, Cary Bates, Paul Kupperberg and Marv Wolfman handled the character with much more poise and intelligence than David did.


Fine. Whatever. But really, having the same ID was an homage more than anything else. He couldn't use Pre-Crissi Supergirl, so he honored her by having the same name.

[Green Lantern]

First off, Matrix didn't fuse with an angel. She fused with a human, and the amalgimated entity became an angel. And, I don't see how you can dislike Supergirl for one reason, but like Superboy even though he does the same damn thing. Superboy is not what the origional Superboy was intended to be. He's Superman's clone, not Superboy as a kid.




Fine. Whatever. But really, having the same ID was an homage more than anything else. He couldn't use Pre-Crissi Supergirl, so he honored her by having the same name.But Superboy at least had a connection to Superman. "Supergirl" didn't. She wore his symbol and emulated some of his powers, but she had no actual blood relation to Kal-El. Conner was a young clone of Kal-El. What would that make him? Kal-El as a boy. What was the original concept for Superboy? Kal-El as a boy. :eek: "Supergirl" was a protoplasmic blob from an alternate universe. What did that make her? A protoplasmic blob from an alternate universe. What was the original concept for Supergirl? Superman's cousin Kara Zor-El from Krypton. Like I said; if the character wasn't using a title she didn't deserve, I may have liked her. But as such I couldn't find myself liking SGINO. And the one time Peter David had access to Kara, made me happy that that WAS the only time. He didn't do the character justice.

[Darthphere]

Ok, its not like im not enjoying your little argument about Supergirl/Matrix/Cir-El/Superboy/Krypto/Beppo whatever, but what does it have to do with Teen Titans East again?

[Green Lantern]

Question said they need to get David on TTE, I said they need to keep David as far away from DC as possible.

[Darthphere]

Question said they need to get David on TTE, I said they need to keep David as far away from DC as possible.


Marvel solved that by offering him an exclusive i believe. You guys really are arguing for the sake of argument.

[Green Lantern]

Meh, the Matrix "Supergirl" always has been and will be a touchy subject for me.

[The Question]

But Superboy at least had a connection to Superman. "Supergirl" didn't. She wore his symbol and emulated some of his powers, but she had no actual blood relation to Kal-El. Conner was a young clone of Kal-El. What would that make him? Kal-El as a boy. What was the original concept for Superboy? Kal-El as a boy. :eek:

Except, it didn't. He's nothing like Clark as a kid. He is (or at least was when he started out, he's matured a bit) arrogant, self centered, and a bit of a chauvonist. And, he wasn't even an exact clone of Clark. He was a clone of a human with Clark's DNA as a template to give him Kryptonian like powers. He's the same thing as Matrix Supergirl. Not what Superboy was origionally intended to be, but as close as they could get with the post crisis mandates regarding Superman.

"Supergirl" was a protoplasmic blob from an alternate universe. What did that make her? A protoplasmic blob from an alternate universe. What was the original concept for Supergirl? Superman's cousin Kara Zor-El from Krypton.

What was Superboy? A teenage clone of Clark with aditude problems. What did that make him? A teenage clone of Clark with aditude problems. What was the origional concept of Superboy? Clark Kent as a teenager growing up in Smallville.

Like I said; if the character wasn't using a title she didn't deserve, I may have liked her. But as such I couldn't find myself liking SGINO. And the one time Peter David had access to Kara, made me happy that that WAS the only time. He didn't do the character justice.

Fine. Whatever.

[TheCorpulent1]

Question said they need to get David on TTE, I said they need to keep David as far away from DC as possible.
But how does Supergirl negate the fact that many on these boards believe David's Young Justice was basically the Teen Titans done better than any Teen Titans comic has done them? I hate what Bendis is doing to the Avengers, but if he wants to write more of Torso or another of his good works at Marvel I'd be all for it.

[The Question]

Exactly. And really, weather you like the idea of a none Kryptonian Supergirl or not, that's not even David's fault. He was working with what they gave him. And, I think he did it really well. And if anyone would make Titans East good, he would. Young Justice trumps the current Teen Titans. Teen Titans is good, but it pales in comparison to YJ. And if Johns writes Titans and Titans East, I doubt East will do anything but be a cheap copy of Johns' Titans. Bring on David, I say. He brought together characters who everyone thought were cheap knock offs of the old DC side kicks and crafted a book that puts the old kids to shame.

[Assassin]

well my opinion is if you dont have a connection to krypton, or clark, dont wear the shield

[The Question]

Why? Why would that make you any less worthy. Steel has no connection to to Krypton or Clark, besides the fact that Superman isnpired him to be a hero.

[Assassin]

WHOA there....



*checks his blood pressure*


Let's turn our rage to the 'new' supergirl. ;)

why? i think she's cool :o

[Assassin]

Why? Why would that make you any less worthy. Steel has no connection to to Krypton or Clark, besides the fact that Superman isnpired him to be a hero.

his s isnt the same, his s stands for steel, and he doesnt call himself a "super"

[yenaled]

Personally, I don't think there should be anyone running around who has a direct connection to Krypton through family on Krypton calling themselves Super anything (Apart from Superman anyway) - I can't stand the new Supergirl (although I'd be happy if she only existed in the 31st Century).

Doesn't mean there can't be Super people - I loved Connor - fantastic character, although actually I never ever liked Matrix.

[The Question]

his s isnt the same, his s stands for steel, and he doesnt call himself a "super"


He still wears the S. And he never even called himself Steel. That's what other people called him.

[Assassin]

superman called him a true man of steel, so thats what he goes by

[yenaled]

Haha. Geoff Johns says (http://www.comicbloc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=558878&postcount=29);



I'm back from Australia and New Zealand! It ruled! More on that later.

As for this...huh? Linda Danvers hasn't been retconned out at all.

Simple - Joe Chill killed Bruce Wayne's parents. Wonder Woman helped found the JLA. Superman did stuff before Metropolis...more to come on this.

Where'd you get that idea that Linda Danvers didn't exist?

Geoff



Looks like it was just the Matrix that was retconned.

[BrianWilly]

Did you read Infinite Crisis #7, Green Lantern?

"You'll never be Superman. Because you have no idea what it means to be Superman. It's not about where you were born. Or what powers you have. Or what you wear on your chest...it's about what you do. It's about action."
-Superman

Linda Danvers wasn't from Krypton and she wasn't related to Superman; she was a suicidal human girl mixed with protoplasmic entity from another dimension who was granted one-third of the divine power of God's feminine side. And y'know what? She was ten times the Supergirl that any other could be. People who keep whining that you need to be from Krypton or (even more outlandishly) related to Superman to be considered Super really, really don't get the point.

Steel is a part of the Superman family. As is his niece. It's been a spoken and unspoken aspect of his character since his very conception.

I'm not crazy about the idea of a Titans East. Oh, I'm sure it'll be awesome and written better than almost everything else on the market, but there is such a thing as spreading a concept too thin. I mean, four X-Men team books going on at the same time do absolutely nothing but hurt the franchise.

[kiuju2k]

I wonder if Dc knew what to do with conner if they kept him alive. I mean he has to grow up. I figure they thought now would be a good time to get rid of him. I mean at his peak he will never be at superman power levels anyways.

[The Question]

Haha. Geoff Johns says (http://www.comicbloc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=558878&postcount=29);



Looks like it was just the Matrix that was retconned.


Joe Chill? Ugh. I much prefered Bruce not knowing his Parents' killer. Gave him more drive.

[yenaled]

I disagree, I used to think not knowing who killed his parents gave him drive but in fact I think this is stupid. This suggests that one thing was driving his vigilante mission when it is not so, you have a man who is totally and utterly driven and devoted to want to stop crime which was trigged by one incident (killing of his parents) but it doesn't continue because he wants to find the killer it continues because he does not want this to happen to anyone else.

Having the unknown killer suggests that Batman is only doing it for one reason - to avenge his parents. When this is something he should have grown out of. Having him find the killer and moving on from that allows him to move on from being a revenge focused vigilante into a hero - someone who is doing it to protect the people.

The idea of a man who 20 years later still goes out night after night, fighter robbers, super villains and aliens while thinking "I am avenging you mother and father" is stupid, he isn't doing it for that anymore it may have been what kick started the career but it is not what drives it.

It also allows him to make the choice very early on in his career; does he kill the man or does he do things by the law. That one moment when he makes that decision is what turns him into the hero and turns him away from a hate and revenge filled vigilante. For me this is the defining moment in the early life of Batman, before he finds Joe Chill he is much careless, angry, hate filled, very rough when he is on the streets. He's on his own no Robin and he is still finding his role and fighting street level thugs, yes he is stopping crimes but he is still more obsessed with finding the killer and solving that mystery and during this time is when the desire to stop crime is growing and takes more and more effect on him.

After Joe Chill he becomes more careful, plays things by the book more, socializes with more heroes and joins things like the JLA. This is the time when he starts fighting monsters and super villains and trains a sidekick because now he is a hero and he is acting like one.

At least. That’s the way I see it. :D

[The Question]

I disagree, I used to think not knowing who killed his parents gave him drive but in fact I think this is stupid. This suggests that one thing was driving his vigilanty mission when it is not so, you have a man who is totally and uttery driven and devoted to want to stop crime which was trigged by one incident (killing of his parents) but it doesn't continue because he wants to find the killer it continues because he does not want this to happen to anyone else.

Having the unknown killer suggests that Batman is only doing it for one reason - to avenge his parents. When this is something he should have grown out of. Having him find the killer and moving on from that allows him to move on from being a revenge focused vigilante into a hero - someone who is doing it to protect the people.

The idea of a man who 20 years later still goes out night after night, fighter robbers, super villains and aliens while thinking "I am avenging you mother and father" is stupid, he isn't doing it for that anymore it may have been what kick started the career but it is not what drives it.

It also allows him to make the choice very early on in his career; does he kill the man or does he do things by the law. That one moment when he makes that decision is what turns him into the hero and turns him away from a hate and revenge filled vigilante. For me this is the defining moment in the early life of Batman, before he find Joe Chill he is much careless, angry, hatefilled, very rough when he is on the streets. He's on his own no Robin and he is still finding his role and fighting street level thugs, yes he is stopping crimes but he is still more obsessed with finding the killer and solving that mystery and during this time is when the desire to stop crime is growing and takes more and more effect on him.

After Joe Chill he becomes more careful, plays things by the book more, socialises with more heroes and joins things like the JLA. This is the time when he starts fighting monsters and super villains and trains a sidekick because now he is a hero and he is acting like one.

At least. that's the way I see it. :D

The way I see it, it starts out selfish. He has no justice, so he becomes a vigilante to seek it out. But as he goes on, and he sees more of the world, his priorities shift from his own personal vendetta to helping others.

[The Flash!]

Well, this thread has gone offtopic. :)

[yenaled]

Just wait for some more TTE news, then it will go right back on track.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm not crazy about the rapid-fire retcons.

It's not necessary for Batman to exist that the murder of Bruce Wayne's parents was never solved, but I just liked it a lot more that way. I guess it helps with Bruce's change to be less of a prick, though. With a tangible, living person to pin the angst over his parents' death on, he's able to deal with it and move past it. Still, I liked the symbolism of his parents' being killed by the nameless, faceless, unending problem of crime in general.

Wonder Woman's helping found the JLA doesn't make a difference one way or another, but it just seems unnecessary. Aquaman, Black Canary, the Martian Manhunter, Green Lantern, and the Flash weren't enough? They really needed to tack one of the trinity on there right from the start? Bleh.

The last one really depends on what stuff Superman did before Metropolis. I think I'll be fine so long as The Daily Planet is still the first paper that scores the first interview with him.

[yenaled]

I'm not crazy about the Wonder Woman retcon, mainly because JLA Year One is such an amazing book - and it isn't anything.

I'm interested if Superman's activities are in costume or out of costume (like birthright).

[Stealth_Prime]

I'm not crazy about the Wonder Woman retcon, mainly because JLA Year One is such an amazing book - and it isn't anything.

I'm interested if Superman's activities are in costume or out of costume (like birthright).




Seeing as how he was powerless when he proposed, and then powerless again when he and lois married, maybe DC decided that during his powerless time in 52 he and Lois conceives.

[warren_sparta27]

so anyone got predictions of the team roster?

[rnewbz]

Anarky
Aquagirl
Argent
Flamebird
Joto
Mary Marvel
Mongrel
Split

[warren_sparta27]

have a feeling that the leader of TTeast will be a former member of the normal TT. someone like Cyborg or Beast Boy, maybe even Wonder Girl?

[yenaled]

$10 on Cyborg leading them.

[TheCorpulent1]

I think so, too. Not only does it fit with the "Titans Tomorrow" future that's supposed to be more integrated into the present, but I have a feeling Cy might become disillusioned with the Titans. They've gotten a bit bleaker lately, after all, and he's practically bullying Kid Devil and Ravager simply for not being familiar members of the Titans to him. I think Beast Boy will stay with the Doom Patrol and, although Wonder Girl will rejoin the Titans, Cy will be disappointed at her and Robin's inability to let go of Conner and branch off to form his own team.

[yenaled]

Yeah exactly, he's going on and on about wanting the real Titans back. So I think he's going to form them with probably Raven - when they find her. Then a host of old Titans so he can have his "real" Titans back.

[TheCorpulent1]

Smart move on DC's part for revamping the Titans while keeping old Titans fans happy, if that turns out to be the case. A certain other publisher could learn a thing or two from that. ;)

[warren_sparta27]

i'm thinking that Robin will lead the TT with Ravager, Kid Devil, Wonder Girl and maybe Plastic man's son and Zatana, is that his name?
and the new raven mini series might be about her forming a new titans, recruiting Cy to lead them, and bring in Speedy, aquagirl, maybe Bart....how old is he supposed to be now?
i also have a feeling that we will see Wally's twins soon becoming the new kid flashes.
and another idea i had was that Blue Beetle might join the Titans to get some training from Robin or Cy?

[TheCorpulent1]

I'd prefer if Blue Beetle stayed out of the Titans. I don't think every teen hero floating around DC at the moment needs to be affiliated with the Titans in some way.

[cerealkiller182]

I'd like to see some of the forgotten supporting teens from Young Justice come back (Lagoon Boy, Empress, the Point Men)

[yenaled]

I'd definatly like to see Lagoon Boy.

Hell I'd like to see Damage and Ray Terrill if they arn't going to play a part with the new Freedom Fighters.

[Tropico]

I'd definatly like to see Lagoon Boy.

Hell I'd like to see Damage and Ray Terrill if they arn't going to play a part with the new Freedom Fighters.

Unfortunately, the Ray in Freedom Fighters is already confirmed to be a new one. I dunno why the hell, but they're placing a new Human Bomb, Phantom Lady and Ray in the team.

I love the Titans but I don't think they're all that successful as to have another title. Herald and Bumblebee are a little old to be TEEN Titans, I don't think they were all that active as to be suitable mentors like some of the other ex-Titans could be. It would be interesting if Robin manages to "re-clone" Superboy and that would create tensions between the members where even Kon would prefer to be in a separate team. I have no idea for a roster at this moment. If the writers can pleasantly surprise me like they did with Kid Devil, I'll have that. As a Blue Devil fan, I know what a pain he was and I was extremely skeptical as to the addition of the character.

[cerealkiller182]

I would think Bumblebee would be the same age as say Cyborg, Raven, and Starfire, who at the beginning of the New TT, I thought would be to old.

Any chance of brand new Teens being made for the TTE? I'm not talking about making a new Speedy either, I'm talking brand spanking new.

[The Batman]

So, Johns is going to be writing this too. Hooray. :(



Not that I don't like Johns' writing, but god, he's ****ing everywhere! Also, and this is based solely upon my opinion, Teen Titans isn't that great. It's not terrible, and it sells well, but it's an average book. Until Green Lantern came along, it was Johns' worst book, I think. I say, if they're doing Titans East, give it to a new writer. Hell, give it to Peter David. He wrote what I think are two of the greatest teen centric books of all time, Young Justice and Supergirl.


You nailed it about Teen Titans. YJ was good because David actually wrote them as if they were Teenage Superheroes.

The issues where they just kicked back, watched some TV, or went camping were the best.

But, David is marvel exclusive now.

[TheCorpulent1]

I think Johns is writing them just fine as teenagers. He's covering the standard adolescent issues and treating them as I imagine any teenager who works their ass off to be a superhero and live up to an ideal set by the previous generation should be treated. Teen Titans doesn't have the same tone as Young Justice, that's all; and the tonal shift should've probably been expected, given the change in title. People looking for Young Justice shouldn't expect to find it in Teen Titans anymore than people expecting the classic Avengers should expect to find it in New Avengers.

[The Batman]

I think Johns is writing them just fine as teenagers. He's covering the standard adolescent issues and treating them as I imagine any teenager who works their ass off to be a superhero and live up to an ideal set by the previous generation should be treated. Teen Titans doesn't have the same tone as Young Justice, that's all; and the tonal shift should've probably been expected, given the change in title. People looking for Young Justice shouldn't expect to find it in Teen Titans anymore than people expecting the classic Avengers should expect to find it in New Avengers.


Part of my problem is with the constantly serious tone. I mean, anyone who's read YJ, Impulse, Superboy, and Chuck Dixon's Robin know that these characters were somewhat happier than they are now. Its depressing to see how sad they've become.

My main problem with this Teen Titans is that....they dont do teenage things. They just sit around in the tower and then go off on another adventure. In yJ, you had them camping out, going to a concert in civillian clothing, watching TV, etc. Thats what i wanna see in TT, along with the crazy superhero stuff. Also, Barts become boring, and Conner, before his death, a little too cocky.

[The Question]

Part of my problem is with the constantly serious tone. I mean, anyone who's read YJ, Impulse, Superboy, and Chuck Dixon's Robin know that these characters were somewhat happier than they are now. Its depressing to see how sad they've become.

Basically. I remember when they used to hang out anf have fun and talk about teenage stuff like argueing over weather Joss Whedon shows suck or not. Now, they're all moping about how horrible their lives are. Well, yeah. They're not even eighteen and they're costumes vigilantes who have a shaky relationship with the authorities and see death and missery every day. But they used to cope with it by having fun in their off hours.

My main problem with this Teen Titans is that....they dont do teenage things. They just sit around in the tower and then go off on another adventure. In yJ, you had them camping out, going to a concert in civillian clothing, watching TV, etc. Thats what i wanna see in TT, along with the crazy superhero stuff. Also, Barts become boring, and Conner, before his death, a little too cocky.

Again, my sentaments exactly. Bart, Conner, and Tim have been stripped of their apeal. Bart's not funny anymore, Conner isn't the slightly arrogant popular guy, and because bothe of them have changed, Tim's role as the straight man of the group loses it's meaning.

[Fantastic Fan22]

Unfortunately, the Ray in Freedom Fighters is already confirmed to be a new one. I dunno why the hell, but they're placing a new Human Bomb, Phantom Lady and Ray in the team.

I love the Titans but I don't think they're all that successful as to have another title. Herald and Bumblebee are a little old to be TEEN Titans, I don't think they were all that active as to be suitable mentors like some of the other ex-Titans could be. It would be interesting if Robin manages to "re-clone" Superboy and that would create tensions between the members where even Kon would prefer to be in a separate team. I have no idea for a roster at this moment. If the writers can pleasantly surprise me like they did with Kid Devil, I'll have that. As a Blue Devil fan, I know what a pain he was and I was extremely skeptical as to the addition of the character.

Where was this confirmed?

[TheCorpulent1]

Part of my problem is with the constantly serious tone. I mean, anyone who's read YJ, Impulse, Superboy, and Chuck Dixon's Robin know that these characters were somewhat happier than they are now. Its depressing to see how sad they've become.

My main problem with this Teen Titans is that....they dont do teenage things. They just sit around in the tower and then go off on another adventure. In yJ, you had them camping out, going to a concert in civillian clothing, watching TV, etc. Thats what i wanna see in TT, along with the crazy superhero stuff. Also, Barts become boring, and Conner, before his death, a little too cocky.
True, the tone is more depressing, but I think that's mostly a consequence of Infinite Crisis. I think in another two or three arcs the Titans will be back to a stabler, lighter tone. Plus, they were together a lot more for Young Justice. They only get together as the Titans on weekends, according to the current series.

Regarding Conner, I thought he was a lot cockier in Young Justice. He came more down to earth, then fell out of the hero game completely after "The Insiders," and finally he leveled out at a reasonable level of confidence with a little of the bravado he's always had during the latter part of Infinite Crisis.

Bart always annoyed me, so his calming down a bit was actually welcome for me.

[yenaled]

Where was this confirmed?

I had a chance to speak to Justin Gray and he confirmed that all the Freedom Fighters were new expect Uncle Sam.

He said he didn't know what Ray Terrill was doing but would ask. After asking he said that he "couldn't tell us" :D

[The Batman]

True, the tone is more depressing, but I think that's mostly a consequence of Infinite Crisis. I think in another two or three arcs the Titans will be back to a stabler, lighter tone. Plus, they were together a lot more for Young Justice. They only get together as the Titans on weekends, according to the current series.

Regarding Conner, I thought he was a lot cockier in Young Justice. He came more down to earth, then fell out of the hero game completely after "The Insiders," and finally he leveled out at a reasonable level of confidence with a little of the bravado he's always had during the latter part of Infinite Crisis.

Bart always annoyed me, so his calming down a bit was actually welcome for me.


Maybe so. I just hope they get conner and and bart back again, with some new teen heroes who arent sidekicks, and lighten things up. If anything, IMO, the fact that they only get together on weekends should be more incentive for them to have fun.

Bart was annoying, but that was apart of his charm, IMO. Bart was a unique hero with a great concept that david perfected in YJ.

Damn i miss that series.

[Nightwing]

Argent and Risk will be apart of the new East team.

[jim lee's bat]

how dyou know that?

[WonderWoman]

Argent and Risk will be apart of the new East team.

Yay, there really is a god! :O

[TheCorpulent1]

how dyou know that?
What he said.

[Nightwing]

how dyou know that?

Risk and Argent are both members of "Teen Titans East." However, the book, reported by Dan DiDio and written by Geoff Johns has yet to be internally scheduled.

Click here (http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=13) to read it from it's source.

[TheCorpulent1]

Hasn't LitG been wrong before? A lot?

[Nightwing]

I recall them being the ones who reported that there would be a slight delay with the new Spirit series, along with the Batman and Spirit team up. Turns out, they were right.

However, I'll wait for Geoff to give an official word.

[The Batman]

I dunno about this book.....you always run the risk of putting in nothing but second string.....

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, if the rumor's true you've got nothing to worry about. Risk and Argent? In the same book?? Nothing second-string about that. ;)

[Purple Man]

Well, if the rumor's true you've got nothing to worry about. Risk and Argent? In the same book?? Nothing second-string about that. ;)

I agree.

Third string at best.

[TheCorpulent1]

Maybe Risk'll get a bionic arm replacement and become the Titans East's Cyborg. :up:

[Lord Blackbolt]

Well...it's a good thing a lot of those third string titans died in Crisis...even out the herd a little.

[Purple Man]

Risk, that's what I call attacking Superboy-Prime. A big one at that.

[The Batman]

I agree.

Third string at best.


lol....the man speaks the truth...

to be honest, i didint really care for the 90s era teen titans much.

[yenaled]

Phft, Joto is an awesome character

[TheCorpulent1]

I thought he was making a comeback during IC because I kept seeing a black guy in a hood everywhere. Turns out that was just Herald.

[The Flash!]

Argent and Risk will be apart of the new East team.

:eek: :eek:

Are you serious? This series is so going to kick ass, thanks Batman!!