Comparisons of Hair, suits, etc....(merged)

[SUPERSEBAS]

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/9386/com7jy.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[WhatsHisFace]

I'd have to say, Kate Bosworth is a lot hotter than Margot Kidder.

Oh yeah, and Routh actually does look a lot like Reeve. ;)

[Bad Superman]

The woman in the last shot with Reeve is not Margot Kidder.

[KrypJonian]

I really dislike that top image of Routh. It looks like he's wearing lipstick and foundation....

But cool comparisons :up:

[Brian Braddock]

The woman in the last shot with Reeve is not Margot Kidder.

Youre right - Its not Kidder. Thats a still from Reeve's audition. I only think it was posted as a comparison of Reeve to Routh.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Out of every shot..that top shot is the only Routh shot that doesn't look like routh or reeve.

Its a terrible picture..the only one i have disliked.

[Yellow Cyclone]

i'll play your game



http://www.louandbud.com/Reeve/Supes/II/bonus/LexEve2.jpg vs http://www.bluetights.net/gallery/albums/cast/Nick_Lex.jpg

hell is the same freaking shot...although in that last pic the OP had, routh does look like reeve

[Strange]

Routh still for some reason looks younger than Reeve.

[Lobo]

yeah that top shot of Routh is the only one I really hate, I've liked evrything else pretty much

[user123456789]

yeah that top shot of Routh is the only one I really hate, I've liked evrything else pretty much

Holy crap Lobo awesome avvy.

Kate is FINE!!

[Bad Superman]

Youre right - Its not Kidder. Thats a still from Reeve's audition. I only think it was posted as a comparison of Reeve to Routh.

You've got one fine eye. Very good comparisons :up:

[Super78]

I really dislike that top image of Routh. It looks like he's wearing lipstick and foundation....



Singer's fault.

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/9386/com7jy.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Wonderful comparisons. Very skillfully done, indeed. Keep up the good work! :up: :up: :up:

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

Singer's fault.

you think? :rolleyes:

[Octoberist]

What's with the Marrot Kidder bashing? She wasn't that ugly back then.

[Whack Arnolds]

She is ugly, and has a deeper voice than Christopher Reeves, lol.

On a sidenote...Routh looks better than Reeve, and his Clark sounds better too.

[Wushuboy]

that first shot of routh is just horrible.. everything is horrible about it... the washed out colors, routh's hair... it just looks like some goth version of superman and it's a shot from the actual film too. they better color correct that **** to make him look like he's actually alive rather than half dead. Isnt Routh the same age as Reeve when he played superman? It's just funny in that shot that Routh looks like a younger version of Reeve even though they're the same age when they took on the role.

[Whack Arnolds]

No, it isn't...Routh looks better. It's just a stormy background. Does Superman not come out during storms?

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Isn't there already a 'homage' thread?

[Lobo]

Holy crap Lobo awesome avvy.

Kate is FINE!!


Thanks and yes she is :). Now I have to come up with a Lex like plot to rid the world of orlando Bloom :D

[DorkyFresh]

It's just funny in that shot that Routh looks like a younger version of Reeve even though they're the same age when they took on the role.

did you ever notice how 25 year olds back in the 70's look older than 25 year olds today?

might wanna ponder that for a sec. ;)

[Whack Arnolds]

Don't psychologists, and sociologists, say that Men take longer to mature and age in this day and age? I find it very intersting, that young men are kind of stunted in growth for the most part.

[Wushuboy]

yep i do notice that.... hence its weird.. i wonder what environmental factors have caused this. I mean men today eat worse than in the 70s and arent as active. That's the trend in the US at least. You'd think bad nutrition and lethargy would make us look older not younger. Might be something good to research.

[Whack Arnolds]

Well I meant that, Men look younger (which is a good thing, cause they will look even younger when they are older), but I mean mentally, men age and mature very slowly in this era.

[Gaurav Sharma]

Well, we are living in easier times, which means that there's lesser strain on our body, lesser exertion, better means of preserving youthfulness and so on.
I think that's the reason why people today look more youthful. Our bodies don't go through rigours that people in the 70s had to confront.

[Superfreak]

I'd have to say, Kate Bosworth is a lot hotter than Margot Kidder.

Oh yeah, and Routh actually does look a lot like Reeve. ;)

Margot was pretty cute in her day, but she went downhill REALLY FAST. I think if we saw a young Margo Kidder in todays world, she'd be a hotty (with the fitness awareness/craze).

But in reality, Kate is just hot

[lujho]

Smoking and exposure to sun are also factors of visible aging (****, I sound like a commercial). On average, people are smarter about those things nowdays, so that could be a partial explanation.

Reeve (at 25) doesn't really look older than routh though. His features are just more masculine - stronger jaw and chin, thicker neck, thinner lips, and smaller nose that emphasizes the strength of the other features. He just has comic-book facial proportions - Routh doesn't. Routh at 35 is still going to look less like Superman than Reeve at 35.

I don't really think people look any younger today than they did in the past really (except for the skin thing I explained above which really wouldn't make a huge difference). It's just that what looks are popular in the media have changed.

Routh in candid photos looks every one of his 26 years. He looks younger in the movie - just flattering photography, I guess.

[Super78]

Kidder was a cutey in the 70s.

But I have to agree with some here -- Bosworth is SMOKING!!!

:up:

[wobbly]

Smoking and exposure to sun are also factors of visible aging (****, I sound like a commercial). On average, people are smarter about those things nowdays, so that could be a partial explanation.

Reeve (at 25) doesn't really look older than routh though. His features are just more masculine - stronger jaw and chin, thicker neck, thinner lips, and smaller nose that emphasizes the strength of the other features. He just has comic-book facial proportions - Routh doesn't. Routh at 35 is still going to look less like Superman than Reeve at 35.

I don't really think people look any younger today than they did in the past really (except for the skin thing I explained above which really wouldn't make a huge difference). It's just that what looks are popular in the media have changed.

Routh in candid photos looks every one of his 26 years. He looks younger in the movie - just flattering photography, I guess.

Ditto on the media promotion of specific ideals coloring preception. For instance these days the 'pretty' boys (Depp, Bloom, Law, Pitt etc) are the heart-throbs whereas 20/30 years ago the rougher looks of Eastwood, B Reynolds, Ford and so on were the bigger draws. And going back further still you'd have Robert Mitchum, John Wayne, Kirk Douglas, Cagney, Bogart and so on, all of which would be probably be considered pug-ugly by today's casting directors.

For the most part though I've found people in the ordinary world do usually look pretty much their age. As with everything you get exceptions, but in general I don't think there's any significant change.

[not_a_victim]

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/9386/com7jy.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Man, in the last set of pics, Reeve looks like crap. That had to have been screentest footage. Look as his neck. It's skinny as Routh's, and the costume looks like pajamas.

[Whack Arnolds]

His costume always did look like cheap K-Mart pajamas in the SuperCorny films...

Routh's suit looks expensive, has texture, has a raised symbol, and looks like a Kryptonian outfit.

[dark_b]

what i found funny and idiotic at the same time was that they never changed teh suit.
i understand that it looked like that in S:Tm. but why didnt they updated teh materials in the sequels?

[Whack Arnolds]

Cause they were lazy, and didn't take the material seriously. Everything was tongue in cheek.

[Wushuboy]

More than likely budget. that's what i think. I dont think superman 3 and 4 had a very high budget so they probably cut down on expenses by reusing the suit.

[biggles2000uk]

its reeeve's jaw line and neck that really show the difference between the two

[JBElliott]

In the last set of pictures, Reeve looks most like Routh for a few reasons. The picture (as has been pointed out above) is from a screen test taken before Reeve bulked up for the part, so Reeve is as skinny as Routh in that picture. Next, take a look at the neck line of the "shirt" and the way the cape is tucked in in that picture of Reeve. It's a good match for the Routh costume. So the worst picture of Reeve as Superman is the same as an average picture of Routh as Superman. That doesn't seem like a good thing.

[Van Petrol]

Thanks and yes she is :). Now I have to come up with a Lex like plot to rid the world of orlando Bloom :D

lol. :up:

[The Kid]

orlando bloom should be braniac in the sequel.

[Wushuboy]

In the last set of pictures, Reeve looks most like Routh for a few reasons. The picture (as has been pointed out above) is from a screen test taken before Reeve bulked up for the part, so Reeve is as skinny as Routh in that picture. Next, take a look at the neck line of the "shirt" and the way the cape is tucked in in that picture of Reeve. It's a good match for the Routh costume. So the worst picture of Reeve as Superman is the same as an average picture of Routh as Superman. That doesn't seem like a good thing.


Great observation with the cape tucked into the shirt in the Reeve pic. I agree with this statement. The tighter neckline just looks horrible.. even back then

[BareKnucklez]

Man, in the last set of pics, Reeve looks like crap. That had to have been screentest footage. Look as his neck. It's skinny as Routh's, and the costume looks like pajamas.

heh Reeve also has the same neckline in the suit that Routh does in the last picture... Doesn't look good on Reeve or Routh.
I like the neckline used later on in the actual STM...

[BareKnucklez]

In the last set of pictures, Reeve looks most like Routh for a few reasons. The picture (as has been pointed out above) is from a screen test taken before Reeve bulked up for the part, so Reeve is as skinny as Routh in that picture. Next, take a look at the neck line of the "shirt" and the way the cape is tucked in in that picture of Reeve. It's a good match for the Routh costume. So the worst picture of Reeve as Superman is the same as an average picture of Routh as Superman. That doesn't seem like a good thing.

lol I just posted about the neckline then saw your post, and I agree that doesn't seem like a good thing.

[Wushuboy]

Indeed it doesnt. Stupid Mingenbach has no understanding of how to design IMO.

[Flame on!]

I'd have to say, Kate Bosworth is a lot hotter than Margot Kidder.
I'm hotter than Margot Kidder.

[Scooter]

Man, these comparisons don't go very well for Routh...

[Superman \S/]

Great comparison SUPERSEBAS.

[SUPERSEBAS]

that first shot of routh is just horrible.. everything is horrible about it... the washed out colors, routh's hair... it just looks like some goth version of superman and it's a shot from the actual film too. they better color correct that **** to make him look like he's actually alive rather than half dead. Isnt Routh the same age as Reeve when he played superman? It's just funny in that shot that Routh looks like a younger version of Reeve even though they're the same age when they took on the role.

WHAT ABOUT THIS HERE!!!! THIS WOULD BE ROUTH IF SINGER MADE A BETTER WORK ON SUPERMAN AND BRANDON`S LOOK

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/8889/20qz2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I JUST PUST A BETTER HAIR LOOK AND A BIGER NECK ON ROUTH; THIS THINGS CAN BE MADE ON ROUTH IF THEY WANT!

[Wushuboy]

nice! much better .. i think us artists have an understanding of what's wrong with the suit and the creative choices made in Mingenbach's design :up:

[Agentdemon]

Looks like you widened his jaw.

[Dark Phantom]

As people mentioned, the jawline and neck seem to be the major differences that hold back Routh from being Superman on Reeve's level.
But my problem also has to do with Routh's nose. His nose is long and a little wide. The narrow and small proportion of Reeve's nose almost fits the image of Superman. Reeve's looks like he was pulled straight from the comics with those superhero proportions. If Routh also had the narrow nose as a feature, then he'd look even more like Superman.

[Agentdemon]

As people mentioned, the jawline and neck seem to be the major differences that hold back Routh from being Superman on Reeve's level.
But my problem also has to do with Routh's nose. His nose is long and a little wide. The narrow and small proportion of Reeve's nose almost fits the image of Superman. Reeve's looks like he was pulled straight from the comics with those superhero proportions. If Routh also had the narrow nose as a feature, then he'd look even more like Superman.

Reeve's nose was very pointy and very unnattractive IMO. Other than that he's facial structure was ideal for superman. Routh may not have what Reeve was naturally born with but he looks more like superman than most.

[JamalYIgle]

No the only problem is that some people are so stuck on the image of Chris Reeve that they are unable to accept another actor in the part. I don't dispute Sebastions skills, but every time this subject comes up he's trying to compare Brandon to Chris. Chris, Gid rest his soul, is gone. The last Superman movie came out 20 years ago. Even if Chiris hadn't been crippled, he would have been too old for the part. It would have been a Sean Connery/never say Never again situation with an actor obviously too old for the part. I love the Chris Reeve movies but it's time to embrace a new Superman, a new actor and a new look. There is going to be an entire Generation of people for whom Brandon Routh will be Superman.

[The Kid]

I like the superman with long hair most.

[Agentdemon]

Nice post JamalYIgle :up:

[SUPERSEBAS]

No the only problem is that some people are so stuck on the image of Chris Reeve that they are unable to accept another actor in the part. I don't dispute Sebastions skills, but every time this subject comes up he's trying to compare Brandon to Chris. Chris, Gid rest his soul, is gone. The last Superman movie came out 20 years ago. Even if Chiris hadn't been crippled, he would have been too old for the part. It would have been a Sean Connery/never say Never again situation with an actor obviously too old for the part. I love the Chris Reeve movies but it's time to embrace a new Superman, a new actor and a new look. There is going to be an entire Generation of people for whom Brandon Routh will be Superman.

If you or singer want anoter actor with a new look, they have to cast an actor who looks as superman and not look like Reeve. Do you think that Routh look like Reeve a lot of times is just a casualty? no my friend, They chooise Routh because he look like Reeve, so is inevitable compare Routh wirh Reeve, If you Cast and get someone who looks like Reeve for superman, is wrong and contradictory try to made Brandon not looks like Reeve, dont you think?

By contrary, if Singer give to Brandon the same image that Reeve give to Superman , the image of Routh as Superman is going to be much Stronger!

[JamalYIgle]

If you or singer want anoter actor with a new look, they have to cast an actor who looks as superman and not look like Reeve. Do you think that Routh look like Reeve a lot of times is just a casualty? no my friend, They chooise Routh because he look like Reeve, so is inevitable compare Routh wirh Reeve, If you Cast and get someone who looks like Reeve for superman, is wrong and contradictory try to made Brandon not looks like Reeve, dont you think?

Contrary, if Singer give to Brandon the same image that Reeve give to Superman to brandon, the image of Routh as Superman is going to be much Stronger!

No actually I'm one of the few people who happens to believe that while Brandon has a passing resemblance to Chris, he should neither be foreced to look exactly like Chris or act exactly like Chris. I used to be an actor. So while his look got him the job, I'd rather judge him on his performance. It's not inevitable to compare the two just like it's not inevitable to compare Dean Cain or Tom Welling to Christopher. To make such a superficial(No pun intended) Comparison belittles the spirit of the movie. And to be honest I think Brandon looks more like a young marlon Brandon than he does Christopher Reeve. I also happen to think that Brandon looks great as Superman, he's not too thin but he's not huge. I think he looks like he stepped out of Superman:Birthright. It's a great look.

[chi-boy]

The only real problem I have with Routh is his neck. It makes him look weak. In some of the action shots we've seen, it's not that noticable. Mainly just on the close ups. I'm hoping when we see him in motion on screen, it won't be as bad.

[chi-boy]

No actually I'm one of the few people who happens to believe that while Brandon has a passing resemblance to Chris, he should neither be foreced to look exactly like Chris or act exactly like Chris. I used to be an actor. So while his look got him the job, I'd rather judge him on his performance. It's not inevitable to compare the two just like it's not inevitable to compare Dean Cain or Tom Welling to Christopher. To make such a superficial(No pun intended) Comparison belittles the spirit of the movie. And to be honest I think Brandon looks more like a young marlon Brandon than he does Christopher Reeve. I also happen to think that Brandon looks great as Superman, he's not too thin but he's not huge. I think he looks like he stepped out of Superman:Birthright. It's a great look.

I don't care if the dude they cast looks like Reeve or not. Routh would look fine if he didn't look like such a pussy. I really didn't have a problem with Cain either, since he looked strong. Routh just looks like a scrawny kid in most shots, IMO. It has nothing to do with him being a Reeve clone.

[JamalYIgle]

That's your opinion. I however have a better grasp of Human anatomy, the mans neck isn't thin, if you look at him straight on you can see that.

[The Master]

No the only problem is that some people are so stuck on the image of Chris Reeve that they are unable to accept another actor in the part. I don't dispute Sebastions skills, but every time this subject comes up he's trying to compare Brandon to Chris. Chris, Gid rest his soul, is gone. The last Superman movie came out 20 years ago. Even if Chiris hadn't been crippled, he would have been too old for the part. It would have been a Sean Connery/never say Never again situation with an actor obviously too old for the part. I love the Chris Reeve movies but it's time to embrace a new Superman, a new actor and a new look. There is going to be an entire Generation of people for whom Brandon Routh will be Superman.

Good point. I'd also like to add that the same could be said almost 30 years ago,
when Chris was cast for the role and people were skeptical as to
whether or not he could pass the role. Of course, with S:TM having been released, everyone was convinced otherwise and you had a whole new generation of fans, but before that the only living image of Superman was George Reeves.

This is no different.

[SUPERSEBAS]

I don't care if the dude they cast looks like Reeve or not. Routh would look fine if he didn't look like such a pussy. I really didn't have a problem with Cain either, since he looked strong. Routh just looks like a scrawny kid in most shots, IMO. It has nothing to do with him being a Reeve clone.

Brandon Routh can look much more strong and more like superman, Brandon cant be a clon of Reeve because he look like Chris but not so much like to make him a clon, what it can be do, is to use the best of the 2 sides, the Reeve side of routh can be reinforced and the Routh side on Routh can be better and more atractive!

[chi-boy]

Brandon Routh can look much more strong and more like superman, Brandon cant be a clon of Reeve because he look like Chris but not so much like to make him a clon, what it can be do, is to use the best of the 2 sides, the Reeve side of routh can be reinforced and the Routh side on Routh can be better and more atractive!

Can you try making sense?

[chi-boy]

I however have a better grasp of Human anatomy

Really, why's that?

[Agentdemon]

http://www.dccomics.com/comics/?cm=5092

Look at the artists, that's why.

[chi-boy]

http://www.dccomics.com/comics/?cm=5092

Look at the artists, that's why.

Oh sorry, I thought common sense and the ability to see would be enough. Good artwork though.

[Whack Arnolds]

Brandon Routh looks fantastic as Superman AND as Clark.

[The Kid]

yup

he'd look good as luigi too. Someone should manip that.

[JamalYIgle]

Brandon Routh can look much more strong and more like superman, Brandon cant be a clon of Reeve because he look like Chris but not so much like to make him a clon, what it can be do, is to use the best of the 2 sides, the Reeve side of routh can be reinforced and the Routh side on Routh can be better and more atractive!

No, that's where you're mistaken. You want him to be a Chris Reeve lookalike. Singer chose Routh for a reason, had him build himself to a point that hea was happy with. You either accept it as a creative decision or you walk away.
You're problem and I've said this to you befoe is you have this obsession with Chris Reeve as Superman, to the point that because Brandon doesn't look exactly like him you don't like him.
Every manip you do is based on turning him into an exact replica of CR. you change his hair, you widen his chin and neck, change the color of his eyes and give hinm those cutoff 70's muttonchops. it's really annoying after awhile.

[chi-boy]

No, that's where you're mistaken. You want him to be a Chris Reeve lookalike. Singer chose Routh for a reason, had him build himself to a point that hea was happy with. You either accept it as a creative decision or you walk away.
You're problem and I've said this to you befoe is you have this obsession with Chris Reeve as Superman, to the point that because Brandon doesn't look exactly like him you don't like him.
Every manip you do is based on turning him into an exact replica of CR. you change his hair, you widen his chin and neck, change the color of his eyes and give hinm those cutoff 70's muttonchops. it's really annoying after awhile.

Yes, you've seen the movie and have talked to Singer personally, so you can say all of that as a fact, right? Probably not. Judging from the trailer, it's safe to say that Singer chose Routh because of his resemblance, seeing how the entire movie looks like a direct sequel to the old movies. Hmm, Marlon Brando, Spacey imitating Hackman, crystal Fortress, bumbling Clark... I wonder why people think Singer choose Routh because he resembles Reeve... I'm just saying there's more evidence going against your argument there, Mr. Igle....

[The Watchman]

What a lot of people seem to forget is that Chris Reeve wasn't the perfect transition from comic to film. What I mean is, at the time Superman was drawn a certain way, linework was often less detailed so it was more ambiguous but he had the basic broad qualities a Superman needed to have and his performance was great. To the general populace Chris Reeve IS Superman, and that opinion has been strengthened by subsequent artists being influenced by Reeve's look and tailoring their Superman art to more resemble Chris. Just look at the way John Byrne's Superman looks, I see more than a passing resemblence, and Byrne's Superman in itself inlfuenced a generation of comic readers, Hell I'm 22 now and I essentiall grew up on Byrne's Superman (even with all the problems I have with it) visually at least. It's like retroactive acceptance where the art started to resemble Chris and superman evolved, look at the recent Guedes artwork and tell me what you see. I think people need to understand why they're so hung up on chris, and possibly move on and accpet another actor in the role, because Superman and his message is bigger than any one person and more than anything I'd like to see a movie that sends a positive message out to it's audience, maybe actually affects someone's core beliefs, perhaps helps shape the moral values of a young kid like S:TM did with me way back when. Perhaps I'm naive or idealistic, but the potential power a Superman movie carries with it is more than necksize and an 'S' on the belt, more than action beats or if Lois is married, and it's been said many times, but I find it ironic that fans of a character with such moral integrity, a hero, act like villains.

[The Kid]

My stance is that Routh was chosen for his resemblence to reeve(I can't quite see it though. He looks more like tom cruise). He's even wearing blue contacts to try to make his eyes match reeve's. but that's what I'm getting from this film. Fleischer's stuff is another influence with how the world looks, I think.

[Oldguy]

Oh sorry, I thought common sense and the ability to see would be enough. Good artwork though.

GuFaahhhahahahahmwaaahahahahhahahhaaaaaaawhheeeeee zeeeheheheheheeeee!!!

[chi-boy]

Here, I drew a diagram demonstrating the variations in neck girth. Does this mean I'm qualified to judge neck thickness now???:confused:
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h209/chiboyz/neckparody.jpg

[millennium movies]

If you also look at men's physical shapes back then, they used to be more square. The chin area, shoulders etc. People should take that into consideration when comparing Routh to Reeve. Reeve looked more older because of his jaw shape, its more toned, more square in shape, as are his shoulders. It gives him a more imposing figure. Routh lacks that strong chin. You can see it clearly in the pictures above.

[Wushuboy]

That's your opinion. I however have a better grasp of Human anatomy, the mans neck isn't thin, if you look at him straight on you can see that.


Sometimes you just sound so conceited it's not even funny. Like somehow you being a dc artist invalidates everyone else's artistic opinion. Seems like you like to toot your own horn every chance you get. It gets annoying.

[Majestic]

Here, I drew a diagram demonstrating the variations in neck girth. Does this mean I'm qualified to judge neck thickness now???:confused:
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h209/chiboyz/neckparody.jpg

No you are not because if you had some common sense anyones neck would look smaller if the the neck line was that high no matter what. It is just common sense and all the talk about it is more ignorance than knowing anything about it at all.

http://www.brandonrouth.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=70&pos=4

That is not a small neck, so please get a clue. It is obvious he built some good trap and shoulders for the film. Think of something else to whine about! Or better yet stop being such an armchair quarterback!

[Oldguy]

Here, I drew a diagram demonstrating the variations in neck girth. Does this mean I'm qualified to judge neck thickness now???:confused:
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h209/chiboyz/neckparody.jpg

How does The Game put it? Ah yes...

Pure Ether. :up:

[skruloos]

Yes, you've seen the movie and have talked to Singer personally, so you can say all of that as a fact, right? Probably not. Judging from the trailer, it's safe to say that Singer chose Routh because of his resemblance, seeing how the entire movie looks like a direct sequel to the old movies. Hmm, Marlon Brando, Spacey imitating Hackman, crystal Fortress, bumbling Clark... I wonder why people think Singer choose Routh because he resembles Reeve... I'm just saying there's more evidence going against your argument there, Mr. Igle....
Actually, when you really think about it, your "evidence" isn't much better. Perry, Jimmy, and Lois don't look anything like their S:tM counterparts. And what we see so far of all three show that they aren't imitating the actors from S:tM despite what you say about Spacey and Routh imitating Hackman and Reeve. Sure it's a crystal FOS, but the Daily Planet and the rest of Metropolis look completely different. So, really, you're evidence doesn't hold any more water than anyone else's.

If anything, this comparison thread really shows off just how different Reeve and Routh actually are. Besides both having fair skin and dark hair, what else do they really have in common? They have very different noses. Reeve has thin lips while Routh's are fuller. Routh has a thinner jaw line and a cleft chin whereas Reeve has more of a square jaw. The only time Routh really even resembles Reeve is when he's Clark.

[The Kid]

Hey I think they look close enough(olsen bowtie), and even seem to act similarly enough (Mr. white being called chief--I'm not sure if they do that in real life in newspaper business though)too moreover the music, Jor-el, the story, possibly a superson from a night of super-passion in Stm2 and probably other stuff I can't remember right now... it's all seemingly in continuty with the first and second film, I think.

[Lone]

What a lot of people seem to forget is that Chris Reeve wasn't the perfect transition from comic to film. What I mean is, at the time Superman was drawn a certain way, linework was often less detailed so it was more ambiguous but he had the basic broad qualities a Superman needed to have and his performance was great. To the general populace Chris Reeve IS Superman, and that opinion has been strengthened by subsequent artists being influenced by Reeve's look and tailoring their Superman art to more resemble Chris. Just look at the way John Byrne's Superman looks, I see more than a passing resemblence, and Byrne's Superman in itself inlfuenced a generation of comic readers, Hell I'm 22 now and I essentiall grew up on Byrne's Superman (even with all the problems I have with it) visually at least. It's like retroactive acceptance where the art started to resemble Chris and superman evolved, look at the recent Guedes artwork and tell me what you see. I think people need to understand why they're so hung up on chris, and possibly move on and accpet another actor in the role, because Superman and his message is bigger than any one person and more than anything I'd like to see a movie that sends a positive message out to it's audience, maybe actually affects someone's core beliefs, perhaps helps shape the moral values of a young kid like S:TM did with me way back when. Perhaps I'm naive or idealistic, but the potential power a Superman movie carries with it is more than necksize and an 'S' on the belt, more than action beats or if Lois is married, and it's been said many times, but I find it ironic that fans of a character with such moral integrity, a hero, act like villains.

Interesting that you should mention that.

In the latest issue of Action Comics, Superman actually looks like Routh...and it works.:up:

[OneKnight]

When the movie hits theaters, I think Brandon is going to be ripped in the same way Jack Lloyd was for his portrayal of Anakin Skywalker.

[dark_b]

i dont hink that he was cast because he looks liek reeve. to me he doesnt look like reeve when he is not in the clark kent costume or superman suit.

dont tell me that singer saw C. reeve when he was on a coffe with him.http://www.popstarsplus.com/images/BrandonRouthPicture.jpg

[The Kid]

if you squint he looks like the bizzaro version of reeve.

[SingItWithMeNow]

if i squint my eyes hurt

[The Kid]

he should have been cyclops not that puny marsden guy

[dark_b]

if you squint he looks like the bizzaro version of reeve.i am here from last year. and i know that routh has a face that looks like 100 actors. depending on an angle.

so if you squint you can see a lot of actors in him.

[JamalYIgle]

Sometimes you just sound so conceited it's not even funny. Like somehow you being a dc artist invalidates everyone else's artistic opinion. Seems like you like to toot your own horn every chance you get. It gets annoying.
Really, considering that i hardly ever post anymore nor did I ever at anypoint in this entire conversation say "Well as a DC comics artist, my opinion is more valid that opinion X". I stated that I've studied anatomy so I have a better idea of what constitutes a "Thin neck than most people. You can take it as you will.

[lujho]

The thing is Superman can't just be average. Maybe his neck isn't pencil thin, but it's still not thick enough.

This image clearly shows how Reeve had true Superhero face/neck proportions and Routh simply doesn't.

http://www.capedwonder.com/Reeve_Routh_version2.jpg

It's not that Routh doesn't look exactly like Reeve, it's that Reeve looks a lot like Superman (yes, EVEN taking in to consideration how Reeve's appearance may have influenced later comics versions - he still looked like earlier versions) and Routh not as much.

It's possible to look a lot like Superman without strongly resembling Reeve. You can have those same comic-like proportions while still having different facial features. Routh has Reeve-like features (apparent at some times, but not always), but NOT the Superman-like proportions, and really, the proportions are more important than any Reeve resemblance.

It's not that Routh doesn't look enough like Reeve, it's that he doesn't look as much like Superman. There are guys who look nothing like Reeve or Routh who would make a great Superman.

[JamalYIgle]

The thing is Superman can't just be average. Maybe his neck isn't pencil thin, but it's still not thick enough.

This image clearly shows how Reeve had true Superhero face/neck proportions and Routh simply doesn't.

http://www.capedwonder.com/Reeve_Routh_version2.jpg

It's not that Routh doesn't look exactly like Reeve, it's that Reeve looks a lot like Superman (yes, EVEN taking in to consideration how Reeve's appearance may have influenced later comics versions - he still looked like earlier versions) and Routh not as much.

It's possible to look a lot like Superman without strongly resembling Reeve. You can have those same comic-like proportions while still having different facial features. Routh has Reeve-like features (apparent at some times, but not always), but NOT the Superman-like proportions, and really, the proportions are more important than any Reeve resemblance.

It's not that Routh doesn't look enough like Reeve, it's that he doesn't look as much like Superman. There are guys who look nothing like Reeve or Routh who would make a great Superman.

well considering your using one of Sebastians infamous manips it really doesn't help your point. It all comes down to one statement, Bryan saw something in Brandon, over every other unkonown actor he tested for the role that he liked and wanted in Superman. If there was another actor in the directors eyes who was better for the part... they would have booked the show.

[The Kid]

interesting pic. I love how the red matches the american flag in reeve's side. That's nice. Here's how to make routh look like superman in that pic:

Take your fingers and block the top half of his ears with them. Voila.

[lujho]

well considering your using one of Sebastians infamous manips it really doesn't help your point.

I'd rather have used an un-manipped pic of Routh for fairness' sake, but that picture was a convenient comparison I found. And unlike his other manips, all Sebastian changed was the hair - and if I'm wrong about that, it's telling that even after being manipped, he's still got a thinner neck than Reeve, but again, i don't think it is manipped except for the hair. Routh's neck is thinner than the width of his jaw, Reeve's is wider - that makes a huge difference.

So what I said stands - that picture demonstrates exactly that Routh doesn't have the "drawn by a comic-book artist" proportions that Reeve has. It's the neck, the nose, even the ears, which make his face look weaker.

And in a front-on view you can't even see how Brandon's chin is weaker - his lack of comic-book proportions is even more evident in profile. That might not matter much to some people but it's undeniable.

[Cinemaman]

Still think Routh is Superman, like was Reeve.

20 years later people will say about Routh the same words, which Reeve had.

[lujho]

Still think Routh is Superman, like was Reeve.


That's very generous of you.

[SUPERSEBAS]

No, that's where you're mistaken. You want him to be a Chris Reeve lookalike. Singer chose Routh for a reason, had him build himself to a point that hea was happy with. You either accept it as a creative decision or you walk away.
You're problem and I've said this to you befoe is you have this obsession with Chris Reeve as Superman, to the point that because Brandon doesn't look exactly like him you don't like him.
Every manip you do is based on turning him into an exact replica of CR. you change his hair, you widen his chin and neck, change the color of his eyes and give hinm those cutoff 70's muttonchops. it's really annoying after awhile.

YOU ARE WRON!!! Wron about me, and about everything you say!!!

[Cinemaman]

That's very generous of you.

Thanx.

[chi-boy]

well considering your using one of Sebastians infamous manips it really doesn't help your point. It all comes down to one statement, Bryan saw something in Brandon, over every other unkonown actor he tested for the role that he liked and wanted in Superman. If there was another actor in the directors eyes who was better for the part... they would have booked the show.

Maybe Routh was so desperate for the role he was willing to perform certain... favors.

[storyteller]

I have no doubt about routh on screen. Because unlike reeve, routh will actually need to move and not stand like a statue.

[redisnotbrown]

i think they could have stopped all this problem of reeve comparisons by gettting Cavill

anyone seen Tristan and isolde?

Cavill looks he been doing some training,
looks like the comic book superman with long hair

check here

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g6/morgan_le_fai/75e8aba3.jpg
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g6/morgan_le_fai/fad84727.jpg
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g6/morgan_le_fai/ti025.jpg

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

Reeve... Routh... Reeve... Routh... the comparisons will go on forever. Atleast until the movie comes out. Then, the two groups will again sit with a ****load of manips, screenshots, promo shots, and frame grabs from the movie, and duel with each other until the issue becomes a moot point. That's where this is going. Let's just cut to the chase, shall we? In certain shots, Routh resembles Chris Reeve, in others, he doesn't. Metropolis, The Daily Planet, Perry, Jimmy and Lois look nothing like characters from S:TM or SM-II. Spacey's Lex is much more sinister than Hackman's overly-campy Lex. And Superman Returns is taking a huge step in the opposite direction of the past movies, with the whole "munchkin/kid" scenario. So, I guess if we want to distinguish, there are a lot of points, and if we want to find similarities, there are a lot of pictures. The rest is up to the powers that be....

[chi-boy]

i think they could have stopped all this problem of reeve comparisons by gettting Cavill

anyone seen Tristan and isolde?

Cavill looks he been doing some training,
looks like the comic book superman with long hair

check here

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g6/morgan_le_fai/75e8aba3.jpg
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g6/morgan_le_fai/fad84727.jpg
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g6/morgan_le_fai/ti025.jpg

Yeah, that dude would have been great. But I'm glad he's not attached to Singer's abomination. He would have worked better with a restart.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Yeah, that dude would have been great. But I'm glad he's not attached to Singer's abomination.


give the movie a chance watch it..then disect and hate it..

other wise you come off as a troll.

[chi-boy]

give the movie a chance watch it..then disect and hate it..

other wise you come off as a troll.

Sorry. I will, but I will poke fun at it until it proves me wrong. Seriously, I am hoping this film suprises me.

But damn, look at Cavill. He has so much more emotion with his expressions, very commanding and strong. Very much like what Superman should be. Routh just looks like a poser.

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

Yeah, that dude would have been great. But I'm glad he's not attached to Singer's abomination. He would have worked better with a restart.

Congratulations. We have a winner! The first reviewer of Superman Returns! Come on, "dude", give some details of the movie. You have watched the entire movie... right? Otherwise, it would be pointless to comment on something you have very little idea on, wouldnt it?:o

[JamalYIgle]

YOU ARE WRON!!! Wron about me, and about everything you say!!!
really?
these aren't wild speculations or baseless accusations. These.. are matters.. of undeniable fact. LOL
(javascript:;)http://supermanfanart.com/artists/sebastian/brandon-routh.jpg

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Sorry. I will, but I will poke fun at it until it proves me wrong. Seriously, I am hoping this film suprises me.

But damn, look at Cavill. He has so much more emotion with his expressions, very commanding and strong. Very much like what Superman should be. Routh just looks like a poser.



Poking fun at something that doesn't have any proof behind it dude.. i like cavill..but routh is superman.. just like the man before him..your not saying anything that wasn't said when Reeve was cast.

And look what he turned out ..

[chi-boy]

Congratulations. We have a winner! The first reviewer of Superman Returns! Come on, "dude", give some details of the movie. You have watched the entire movie... right? Otherwise, it would be pointless to comment on something you have very little idea on, wouldnt it?:o

Press refresh and see what I posted after that, douche.

[Zor-El]

Press refresh and see what I posted after that, douche.
watch the name callin, friend.

[chi-boy]

Poking fun at something that doesn't have any proof behind it dude.. i like cavill..but routh is superman.. just like the man before him..your not saying anything that wasn't said when Reeve was cast.

And look what he turned out ..

Okay, like I said I hope I'm proven wrong, but I have the right to express my opinions just like the fanboys can claim that Routh is the shiznit messiah come again...

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Press refresh and see what I posted after that, douche.


no need for the insult..if you want to start having ago,i will more than oblige you.

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

Press refresh and see what I posted after that, douche.

You're on my case for not pressing the refresh button, but have you tried applying god's gift to you, your BRAIN, before posting?

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Okay, like I said I hope I'm proven wrong, but I have the right to express my opinions just like the fanboys can claim that Routh is the shiznit messiah come again...


what is your problem with Routh..what are you? an actor who tested but got turned down?

[JamalYIgle]

Maybe Routh was so desperate for the role he was willing to perform certain... favors.

Same reason he was going to be considered by McG and Brett Ratner when they were attached, right? As well as the call back he got for Smallville. Stop reaching.

[chi-boy]

Same reason he was going to be considered by McG and Brett Ratner when they were attached, right? As well as the call back he got for Smallville. Stop reaching.

You're a fanboy if you can't admit the one on the right looks better:

http://supermanfanart.com/artists/sebastian/brandon-routh.jpg

[JamalYIgle]

You're a fanboy if you can't admit the one on the right looks better:

http://supermanfanart.com/artists/sebastian/brandon-routh.jpg
I'm not a fan boy. I'm a professional.I recognize that you're not going to get a perfect reproduction of anything that's drawn in a comic book onto the screen. It's not possible and a movie shouldn't have to. It's an adaptation.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

You're a fanboy if you can't admit the one on the right looks better:

http://supermanfanart.com/artists/sebastian/brandon-routh.jpg


A person will not admit to something they do not agree with..admit it...

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

You're a fanboy if you can't admit the one on the right looks better:

http://supermanfanart.com/artists/sebastian/brandon-routh.jpg

Easy with the name calling, or:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y79/mehzeb/yoda.jpg

[chi-boy]

I'm not a fan boy. I'm a professional.

There's little difference in the comicbook industry.

[Zor-El]

EDIT: That was probably a low blow...

[chi-boy]

theres also little difference between "chi-boy" and "troll," but we let it slide. :)

Good one, dude. I'm just misunderstood. My cynical attitude masks my deep sadness and insecurities. Deep down inside I'm hoping for this movie to pull through. Seriously, dude. Sersly. :(

[JamalYIgle]

There's little difference in the comicbook industry.
really? Hmmm facinating obsevation. And what do you do taht gives you such glowing insight?

[Zor-El]

Good one, dude. I'm just misunderstood. My cynical attitude masks my deep sadness and insecurities. Deep down inside I'm hoping for this movie to pull through. Seriously, dude. Sersly. :(
haha all in good fun.
I just think everyone needs to remember that Superman is a legend. This movie, good or bad, wont destroy Superman.
but at the same time, we need to trust singer not to screw it up. And from what I know, he hasn't so far. There's definitely a lot we dont know, and that's why we're freaking out. IMO

[chi-boy]

really? Hmmm facinating obsevation. And what do you do taht gives you such glowing insight?

Because you're all a bunch of fat, greasy nerds. Have you read a mainstream comicbook within the last 10 years? It's all the same crap. Superman, Batman - they've grown stagnant and dull and it's the "professionals" who've let that happen. It's all fine to them, dishing out the same redundant crap, as long as they're banking on it. But you know, it seems they're the ones responsible for your paycheck, so we all know where your blind enthusiasm is stemming from.

And I'm just wondering how you'd draw Superman Probably with a bigger neck than Routh's.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Yeah, that dude would have been great. But I'm glad he's not attached to Singer's abomination. He would have worked better with a restart.

When is your review of Superman Returns going to be posted? I'd really like to know what was wrong with the film that you would call it an "abomination." I'm sure you have valid reasons.

:rolleyes:

[chi-boy]

It's not possible and a movie shouldn't have to. It's an adaptation.

So you're saying they shouldn't get some who is physically imposing, who exudes confidence and strength? Qualities, at least IMO, that Routh does not possess. I bet Burton had the same thought train when he cast Keaton as Batman. "It's just an adaptation". 10 years later, all the fans are complaining that Keaton was too small, pudgy, etc and look what we got, a restart.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

So you're saying they shouldn't get some who is physically imposing, who exudes confidence and strength? Qualities, at least IMO, that Routh does not possess.

I would tell you to wait for the ****ing movie before making statements like that but I see you don't have the habit of being patient or objective. Nor can you actually wait until you have something to backup your asinine, trollish statements.

[JamalYIgle]

Because you're all a bunch of fat, greasy nerds. Have you read a mainstream comicbook within the last 10 years? It's all the same crap. Superman, Batman - they've grown stagnant and dull and it's the "professionals" who've let that happen. It's all fine to them, dishing out the same redundant crap, as long as they're banking on it. But you know, it seems they're the ones responsible for your paycheck, so we all know where your blind enthusiasm is stemming from.

And I'm just wondering how you'd draw Superman Probably with a bigger neck than Routh's.
Yeah.. lol wow. you really don't know what the hell your talking about. it's hysterical though.

[chi-boy]

I would tell you to wait for the ****ing movie before making statements like that but I see you don't have the habit of being patient or objective. Nor can you actually wait until you have something to backup your asinine, trollish statements.

Like I said, it's my opinion based off what we've seen. When I see the movie, I will be more than happy to refute that if my opinion changes. You do know that 90% of the conversation on these forums is speculation, right?

[SolidSnakeMGS]

You do know that 90% of the conversation on these forums is speculation, right?

If you think 'speculation' and 'judgment' means the same thing, then you are...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v508/jcgabe/spaceyluthor.jpg

[Wushuboy]

Why are some people denying that Routh has a resemblance to Reeve? Remember that first pic of Routh dressed at clark kent at some halloween party? What did everyone first say? OMG he looks like Reeve? Hell even Donner and Dana Reeve think there's an uncanny resemblance. If Reeve's own wife can see there's a resemblance why cant some of you admit that there is? In the next month the media will undoubtedly put up stories about Routh and you just know they're going to compare the two and look at the resemblances. No matter what some of you think, the public will compare the two. Unless he gives a spectacular performance, he'll always be in the shadow of Reeve.

[JamalYIgle]

So you're saying they shouldn't get some who is physically imposing, who exudes confidence and strength? Qualities, at least IMO, that Routh does not possess. I bet Burton had the same thought train when he cast Keaton as Batman. "It's just an adaptation". 10 years later, all the fans are complaining that Keaton was too small, pudgy, etc and look what we got, a restart.
You'd get alot of people also who consider Keatons Batman to be the best. And frankly this image:http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c7/JamalIgle/sup-flying-globe.jpg and this one :http://supermanhomepage.com/images/superman-returns6/trailer05.jpg tell me that he has the look of Superman. I'm waiting to see the movie as a whole before I commend or condemn him as an actor.

[chi-boy]

If you think 'speculation' and 'judgment' means the same thing, then you are...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v508/jcgabe/spaceyluthor.jpg

That's going to get old, fast.

[chi-boy]

You'd get alot of people also who consider Keatons Batman to be the best. And frankly this image:http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c7/JamalIgle/sup-flying-globe.jpg and this one :http://supermanhomepage.com/images/superman-returns6/trailer05.jpg

Yep, there's that skinny neck. :)

[JamalYIgle]

He has the look, And ONLY when I see the movie will I commend or condemn him as an actor.

[chi-boy]

He has the look, And ONLY when I see the movie will I commend or condemn him as an actor.

Me too, but right now I'm just passing judgement off the pics and trailer. I'm reserving final judgment for the movie.

[Wushuboy]

Really, considering that i hardly ever post anymore nor did I ever at anypoint in this entire conversation say "Well as a DC comics artist, my opinion is more valid that opinion X". I stated that I've studied anatomy so I have a better idea of what constitutes a "Thin neck than most people. You can take it as you will.


but you have before. It's really the tone of how you say things. You like to throw out , oh im a professional.. oh i studies anatomy, oh im a dc artist so therefore i know much more than you and my opinion is more valid. You may not say it explicitly but it's implied.. I respect your work and all but damn... humility is a virtue. Also just because someone's a pro and has studies anatomy doesnt mean much in my book because for every artist that's great at anatomy there's another that isnt. Case in point... Liefeld. Big name.. probably will tell you he studied anatomy too... but cant draw for beans. And you dont have to be a professional to be a great artist and be knowledgeable about anatomy. :rolleyes:

[chi-boy]

but you have before. It's really the tone of how you say things. You like to throw out , oh im a professional.. oh i studies anatomy, oh im a dc artist so therefore i know much more than you and my opinion is more valid. You may not say it explicitly but it's implied.. I respect your work and all but damn... humility is a virtue. Also just because someone's a pro and has studies anatomy doesnt mean much in my book because for every artist that's great at anatomy there's another that isnt. Case in point... Liefeld. Big name.. probably will tell you he studied anatomy too... but cant draw for beans. And you dont have to be a professional to be a great artist and be knowledgeable about anatomy. :rolleyes:

Yeah, Jamal, learn some humility. But I respect your work, and you do have a good sense of anatomy. It's too bad that sense has failed you. Routh has a small neck. :up::)

[JamalYIgle]

tone on a messageboard is one of the most misunderstood things in existance. you don't know me, you don't know my intentions, please don't make assumptions on whether i'm sufficentially humble or not.

[JamalYIgle]

Okay then lets paly a little game. I'll show you a picture and you tell me if I know what I'm talking about or not.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c7/JamalIgle/Muscle1.jpg
This is a scan of a model i found in my files. Would you say his neck which is roughly the same size as Routh's a size 16-17. Would he be too thin to play a Superhero?

[chi-boy]

At least he looks like a fully grown adult.

Let's play a funner game, "People who have 'It'". These three actors exude more strength, widsom, nobility, etc etc than Routh has in any of his pics. While Routh looks like he's struggling, these guys project Superman-like qualities with ease. As a comic book artist, you should know these things.

http://henry.intensevibe.net/photos/professional/henry004.jpg
http://www.poster.net/law-jude/law-jude-photo-jude-law-6200543.jpg
http://i.timeinc.net/people/i/2004/04/features/magstories/041129/jcaviezel.jpg

I think one of the problems is that the contacts they have on Routh make his eyes look glazed over. He looks like a doll, and any sparkle of emotion is destroyed.

[Oldguy]

That's your opinion. I however have a better grasp of Human anatomy, the mans neck isn't thin, if you look at him straight on you can see that.
I'm not a fan boy. I'm a professional....
You sure as hell don't act like one, thus reinforcing my doubts.
He has the look, And ONLY when I see the movie will I commend or condemn him as an actor.
So why can't the rest of us evaluate the images we have seen? Sounds like your trying to impose your value system on others. It's a brick wall, trust me.
but you have before. It's really the tone of how you say things. You like to throw out , oh im a professional.. oh i studies anatomy, oh im a dc artist so therefore i know much more than you and my opinion is more valid. You may not say it explicitly but it's implied.. I respect your work and all but damn... humility is a virtue. Also just because someone's a pro and has studies anatomy doesnt mean much in my book because for every artist that's great at anatomy there's another that isnt. Case in point... Liefeld. Big name.. probably will tell you he studied anatomy too... but cant draw for beans. And you dont have to be a professional to be a great artist and be knowledgeable about anatomy. :rolleyes:
Snap, zing, pow! Couldn't have said it better myself.
Jamal, you would come across less like a troll if you weren't so hard pressed to quash opinions you didn't disagree with so much. There's no comprimise with you at all.

Is Routh slim? I've argued with enough SR supporters who applaud his graceful everyman swimmer's physique, to know that he must be slim for them to admire it. Does he look similar to Reeve? Enough to make Dana Reeve notice, so that's good enough comfirmation for the rest of us.

You don't think Routh is too slim, fine that's your perogative. You think Routh is some new original flavour, again, to each their own. The more you try to drown out your "opposition" with nothing more than your personal opinion confused as fact, the less professional it seems.

Learn to let it go, and you know if Oldguy is counselling you, then you must really have a problem.

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Chi-boy, what movies have you seen Routh in? How did he do in Superman Returns?

Why do I doubt you can answer any of those questions?

My magic 8ball has a message for you. It sees your future. It sees your name in my ignore list, and probably in many others' as well.

[chi-boy]

Chi-boy, what movies have you seen Routh in? How did he do in Superman Returns?

Why do I doubt you can answer any of those questions?

My magic 8ball has a message for you. It sees your future. It sees your name in my ignore list, and probably in many others' as well.

That's okay, I don't talk to you anyway. And it's not like you say anything productive either. :up: :)

[Oldguy]

tone on a messageboard is one of the most misunderstood things in existance. you don't know me, you don't know my intentions, please don't make assumptions on whether i'm sufficentially humble or not.

That's your opinion, I however have a better grasp of human anatomy...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1315000/images/_1315117_grave150.jpg

Lookit you go...diggin away.

[chi-boy]

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h209/chiboyz/routhsupes.jpg
I think that's the best pic of Routh. It's the only one where he looks natural in the role. I can ignore the tiny neck when that happens. I'm hoping the whole movie is like that.

[Tzigone]

Why are some people denying that Routh has a resemblance to Reeve? I haven't said a word about it up until this point but I don't think they look alike. I mean, you put them side by side, and yes, I guess I can see some resemblance, but nothing shocking or extraordinary. I know others don't agree with me. When I showed my uncle the trailer (and I had Superman II dvd playing aat that time) he said "he looks just like the other guy, only a little better looking" - and he thought Spacey looked like Hackman. I don't agree on either front (yes, there is a slight resemblance, but not enough to say that either "look like" their predecessor, nor enough for me to notice without it being pointed out to me), but that just goes to show that different people see different things.

[JamalYIgle]

Snap, zing, pow! Couldn't have said it better myself.
Jamal, you would come across less like a troll if you weren't so hard pressed to quash opinions you didn't disagree with so much. There's no comprimise with you at all.

Is Routh slim? I've argued with enough SR supporters who applaud his graceful everyman swimmer's physique, to know that he must be slim for them to admire it. Does he look similar to Reeve? Enough to make Dana Reeve notice, so that's good enough comfirmation for the rest of us.

You don't think Routh is too slim, fine that's your perogative. You think Routh is some new original flavour, again, to each their own. The more you try to drown out your "opposition" with nothing more than your personal opinion confused as fact, the less professional it seems.

Learn to let it go, and you know if Oldguy is counselling you, then you must really have a problem.

You know what? Do you see me on here calling Routh the second coming of anything? No. Am I not allowed to argue what a percieve to be the merits of the man? As far as you counselling me that will be the day. I didn't tell anyone here they had to accept Routh if they don't want to. Not for nothing I actually have a little experience in these things, I thought I'd share. I didn't attack anyone, just the opposite. I never make a post without have the evidence to back it up. Some people have a problem with that. Some people accuse me of towing some company line, I speak for myself first and for DC second. It's not my fault I just happen to have the insight,knowledge and experience to back up my posts.

[Backdrifter]

I agree with you on the contacts.

[chi-boy]

That's your opinion. I however have a better grasp of Human anatomy, the mans neck isn't thin, if you look at him straight on you can see that.

Yeah, that's some wicked evidence.

[JamalYIgle]

At least he looks like a fully grown adult.

Let's play a funner game, "People who have 'It'". These three actors exude more strength, widsom, nobility, etc etc than Routh has in any of his pics. While Routh looks like he's struggling, these guys project Superman-like qualities with ease. As a comic book artist, you should know these things.

http://henry.intensevibe.net/photos/professional/henry004.jpg
http://www.poster.net/law-jude/law-jude-photo-jude-law-6200543.jpg
http://i.timeinc.net/people/i/2004/04/features/magstories/041129/jcaviezel.jpg

I think one of the problems is that the contacts they have on Routh make his eyes look glazed over. He looks like a doll, and any sparkle of emotion is destroyed.
I humbly disagree with your choices. I couldn't see any of these guys in the costume. If it were me casting this movie I wouldn't have picked Routh right off either, I would have gone in another direction. However seeing him in the role seeing the material that i've seen, I have a hard time not seeing him in the part.

[JamalYIgle]

Yeah, that's some wicked evidence.:)
Actually:http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c7/JamalIgle/muscle2.jpg
it is.

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

This calls for something from the ultimate Superman series:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y79/mehzeb/supes4fun.jpg
Tadda!

[supzfan]

Chris Reeve worked his butt off to get in shape for the first Superman movie. Stanidng 6'4", his bull neck, broad shoulders and developed legs exuded power, strength and confidence. I'm sure Routh will give it his best, turning in a sincere and competant performance. But if he really wanted to honor the character he could have at least had the courtesy to put on twenty pounds. If Bale and Jackman could get into that kind of shape then certainly Routh could have. What with the modern nutrition and training he has at his disposal there is really no excuse, despite that bit of baloney about the suit not being able to accomodate a weight change. For cryin' out loud we're talking about a padded suit. Padded! Chris Reeve didin't need no stinking padding! Reading the current entry in the Superman Set series I am absolutely mystified by those inane comments offered up by the costume designers as they diss the Reeve costume and make lame excuses for the new one. What the heck were they thinking? It's obvious this disaster reflects Singer's peculiar "take" on the character and it certainly looks "swishy" to me, if you get my drift. Routh has a long torso and thin neck so what do they do? They design an outfit that ACCENTUATES his physical weaknesses. Superman isn't a "swimmer" and shouldn't look like one. Funny how none of us have no problem with the way he looks in the comics but when he hits the big screen the excuses start pouring in. The physical comparisons between Routh and Reeve are inevitable and they won't prove kind to Routh, not in that get-up and certainly not in the shape he's in. Padding...PULEEEZE!

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

Chris Reeve worked his butt off to get in shape for the first Superman movie. Stanidng 6'4", his bull neck, broad shoulders and developed legs exuded power, strength and confidence. I'm sure Routh will give it his best, turning in a sincere and competant performance. But if he really wanted to honor the character he could have at least had the courtesy to put on twenty pounds. If Bale and Jackman could get into that kind of shape then certainly Routh could have. What with the modern nutrition and training he has at his disposal there is really no excuse, despite that bit of baloney about the suit not being able to accomodate a weight change. For cryin' out loud we're talking about a padded suit. Padded! Chris Reeve didin't need no stinking padding! Reading the current entry in the Superman Set series I am absolutely mystified by those inane comments offered up by the costume designers as they diss the Reeve costume and make lame excuses for the new one. What the heck were they thinking? It's obvious this disaster reflects Singer's peculiar "take" on the character and it certainly looks "swishy" to me, if you get my drift. Routh has a long torso and thin neck so what do they do? They design an outfit that ACCENTUATES his physical weaknesses. Superman isn't a "swimmer" and shouldn't look like one. Funny how none of us have no problem with the way he looks in the comics but when he hits the big screen the excuses start pouring in. The physical comparisons between Routh and Reeve are inevitable and they won't prove kind to Routh, not in that get-up and certainly not in the shape he's in. Padding...PULEEEZE!

Except for the "padding" part, I'm inclined to agree with you... :up:

[The Kid]

I think routh's huge enough but what makes his neck appear so small is that tight neckline. Any pic of him I see with an open neckline he looks much better...

[Oldguy]

You know what? Do you see me on here calling Routh the second coming of anything? No. Am I not allowed to argue what a percieve to be the merits of the man? As far as you counselling me that will be the day. I didn't tell anyone here they had to accept Routh if they don't want to. Not for nothing I actually have a little experience in these things, I thought I'd share. I didn't attack anyone, just the opposite. I never make a post without have the evidence to back it up. Some people have a problem with that. Some people accuse me of towing some company line, I speak for myself first and for DC second. It's not my fault I just happen to have the insight,knowledge and experience to back up my posts.

You post no evidence, whatsoever. You confuse your opinion with fact, and you are completely intolerant of any opposing point of view.

You are nothing more than a puppet at an internet cafe, who linked Ingle's public website as proof of your identity. Your persistant ignorance of Routh's slender physique and his resemblance to Reeve betrays your claims of artistic skill. I can accurately make this assessment because I have the insight, knowledge and experience as an animator to back it up.

By all means, prove me wrong. Next time your in Vancouver, pm me. We'll go for a beer and you can show me yer driver's liscence.

Until then, take care, whomever you are.

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

You post no evidence, whatsoever. You confuse your opinion with fact, and you are completely intolerant of any opposing point of view.

You are nothing more than a puppet at an internet cafe, who linked Ingle's public website as proof of your identity. Your persistant ignorance of Routh's slender physique and his resemblance to Reeve betrays your claims of artistic skill. I can accurately make this assessment because I have the insight, knowledge and experience as an animator to back it up.

By all means, prove me wrong. Next time your in Vancouver, pm me. We'll go for a beer and you can show me yer driver's liscence.

Until then, take care, whomever you are.

I actually missed your posts, Oldguy :) ... welcome back, bro :up:

[Whack Arnolds]

No, the costume designers were right... The original Superman suit DID look bad, very cheap, and awkward. With un-even Superman symbol, that goes from armpit to armpit, etc. The difference between a comic page, with a DRAWING of a man with proportions that aren't realistic or even possible for an actor to have, is why it is acceptable in the comics but not in live action. The colors, and vibrancy of a comic book page isn't like the real world. Some of tha stuff looks just out of whack, if put into a real world setting.

[Whack Arnolds]

Open neck lines looks funky, and not tidy. Like someone could just rip off his cape and costume.

[Oldguy]

Except for the "padding" part, I'm inclined to agree with you... :up:

It's been documented several times that the suit is padded. Have you not read the costume designers comments yet?

Edit-Not that I have a problem with padding per se, ya it irks me, and I wish Routh was bigger, bigger than Reeve in SIII even, but as long as it doesn't look fake on him in the movie, I got no problems with it. Well I'll deal, let's put it that way.

[The Kid]

Open neck lines looks funky, and not tidy. Like someone could just rip off his cape and costume.

:supes: nah no way. he looks classy and dignified like some sort of god or roman guy.

I googled Ceasar to show you what I mean.

http://wildscapes.nudieman.com/Albums/paris/paris2_ceasar_statue.jpg

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

It's been documented several times that the suit is padded. Have you not read the costume designers comments yet?

Edit-Not that I have a problem with padding per se, ya it irks me, and I wish Routh was bigger, bigger than Reeve in SIII even, but as long as it doesn't look fake on him in the movie, I got no problems with it. Well I'll deal, let's put it that way.

What you said... I have no problem with padding either, as long as it looks good on film.

[Oldguy]

Open neck lines looks funky, and not tidy. Like someone could just rip off his cape and costume.

The open neckline serves compositional purposes as well as practical ones. It draws a straight line from shoulder to shoulder, which makes the shoulders appear wider.

The practical purpose is of course, to aid in concealment when worn under civilian clothes. Imagine the impracticality of Singer's design, Superman uniform collar, cape attachment, dress shirt and tie, are all competing for space, because they all overlap. The open collar and cape attachment rest below the shirt collar and necktie, reducing overlap and bunching.

Just a personal observation, but the open collar also seems to project a sense of confidence, incomparison to a close necked collar. Maybe because the most vulnerable body part is exposed, maybe because turtle necks and tight collared attire have long been associated with feeling of anxiety or restraint. How many times have you seen a movie where the girl looses his collar and tells a guy to loosen up, stop being such a stuffed shirt.

I'm not saying you have to like an open collar, or you're deficient for not doing so, just some insight into why the open collar design emerged in the costume design, and why it persists today.

[Oldguy]

:supes: nah no way. he looks classy and dignified like some sort of god or roman guy.

I googled Ceasar to show you what I mean.

http://wildscapes.nudieman.com/Albums/paris/paris2_ceasar_statue.jpg

I think the cape attachment looks regal, majestic even, but I don't know why. Maybe because it was in style with the Romans?

[Wushuboy]

excellent points made oldguy

[supzfan]

The tight collar is restrictive and seems to be hiding something. Hiding something should be what Supe's steet clothes, his Kent clothes, do. Superman in costume REVEALS himself, celebrates his power. The outfit should be expansive not claustrophobic. The tight neckline diminishes the sense of strength coming from the character. It certainly doesn't enhance it. Practical considerations aside (the difficulty in hiding the suit under his street clothes, etc.), showing the collar bone is a nice aesthetic touch and does add to the idea of a broader, more masculine figure.

[Oldguy]

The tight collar is restrictive and seems to be hiding something. Hiding something should be what Supe's steet clothes, his Kent clothes, do. Superman in costume REVEALS himself, celebrates his power. The outfit should be expansive not claustrophobic. The tight neckline diminishes the sense of strength coming from the character. It certainly doesn't enhance it. Practical considerations aside (the difficulty in hiding the suit under his street clothes, etc.), showing the collar bone is a nice aesthetic touch and does add to the idea of a broader, more masculine figure.

You know, the third suit rumour never was debunked...;)

[The Caped Knight]

http://captain.custard.org/league/graphics/150/lois-e2.jpg

http://www.**************.com/images/news/superman-returns/Lois%20Lane%202.jpg

[Backdrifter]

Okay then lets paly a little game. I'll show you a picture and you tell me if I know what I'm talking about or not.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c7/JamalIgle/Muscle1.jpg
This is a scan of a model i found in my files. Would you say his neck which is roughly the same size as Routh's a size 16-17. Would he be too thin to play a Superhero?


Actually:
it is.

What a stupid ploy. Who cares. That guy is ugly and painful to look at. I bet you were just waiting for that "pay off." God, you are one of those "wannade pseduo-intellectuals" that make me want to projectile vomit all over the place. There is more to playing a superhero than a nice body. Acting chops and a natural presence play into it as well as a nice physique. I do not think Routh has the physique however. He so clearly has that hour glass, awkward body and does not fill out the suit. He should have been working out like Bale did for Batman. Bale's transformation from his appearence in The Machinist to Batman is astounding and I wish Routh would have shown that kind of devoution to the role... But, I have a feeling Singer did not want a buff Superman for some reason. Nothing to back that up except intuition.

[Oldguy]

Oo, oo, I want to play too.

Okay then lets paly a little game. I'll show you a picture and you tell me if I know what I'm talking about or not.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c7/JamalIgle/Muscle1.jpg
This is a scan of a model i found in my files. Would you say his neck...

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2933/untitled0wf.jpg

Looks thicker than Routh's? Sure.

[JamalYIgle]

You post no evidence, whatsoever. You confuse your opinion with fact, and you are completely intolerant of any opposing point of view.

You are nothing more than a puppet at an internet cafe, who linked Ingle's public website as proof of your identity. Your persistant ignorance of Routh's slender physique and his resemblance to Reeve betrays your claims of artistic skill. I can accurately make this assessment because I have the insight, knowledge and experience as an animator to back it up.

By all means, prove me wrong. Next time your in Vancouver, pm me. We'll go for a beer and you can show me yer driver's liscence.

Until then, take care, whomever you are.

yes because C. Lee would let me go on and on claiming to be Jamal IGLE (If you're going to try and slam me, spell my damn name right) for months with out question if it wasn't really me. Besidies I offered you my email address, if you'd like I can scan my drivers license for you or fly you to New York and you can give me the inquisition in person. hell I'll PM you my phone number and you c an call me if it amkes you feel better,The fact that you keep trying to prove me wrong for some reason in order to make yourself valid somehow tickles the hell out of me. I proved that you can't judge somes muscle tone by the size of their neck. Every person is different. The people who saw Routh at Wondercon in person all said the same thing. They were surprised how big he was. The man's not Mr. Olympia , never said he was. I disputed someone elses opinion with proof.

[chi-boy]

I want to call you.:)

[JamalYIgle]

Oldguy,
instead of playing"You're a liar, cause i don't think it's really you" Why don't you come up with debatable points. I provided evidence to back my claims.

[JamalYIgle]

I want to call you.:)
PM me your phone number i'll give you a call. i'm not too busy today.

[Wushuboy]

just found this funny.. so my gf wakes up and sees me readign this thread.. sees the picture of routh and says, " ok that guy doesnt look like superman.. he looks too girly.. too much makeup and just doesnt look like a superman." I couldnt do anything but chuckle.. guess routh didnt make a good first impression on her. I still think Routh COULD be a good superman.. just needs to do a little extra work to look the part, a better hair stylist and a better friggin costume designer....

[chi-boy]

just found this funny.. so my gf wakes up and sees me readign this thread.. sees the picture of routh and says, " ok that guy doesnt look like superman.. he looks too girly.. too much makeup and just doesnt look like a superman." I couldnt do anything but chuckle.. guess routh didnt make a good first impression on her. I still think Routh COULD be a good superman.. just needs to do a little extra work to look the part and a better friggin costume designer....

Yeah, he looks more like Superman out of costume and without the make up on, IMO. I'd post a pic, but I don't want to dig it up....

[Wushuboy]

yeah sometimes i think they should have just let him comb his own hair instead of that cowlick they gave him. I really want Routh to succeed and take up the mantle but the design crew is really making it hard for me.

[Oldguy]

yes because C. Lee would let me go on and on claiming to be .

What makes you think C.Lee cares? What makes you think I do? You want debatable points? There they are.

You post no evidence, whatsoever. You confuse your opinion with fact, and you are completely intolerant of any opposing point of view.

You are nothing more than a puppet at an internet cafe, who linked Ingle's public website as proof of your identity. Your persistant ignorance of Routh's slender physique and his resemblance to Reeve betrays your claims of artistic skill. I can accurately make this assessment because I have the insight, knowledge and experience as an animator to back it up.

When I get the PM, and I see your driver's liscence, then I'll believe you, and not a second before. If you are really who you claim to be, you won't care that I don't believe you.

So go on now, show me how much you don't care that I don't believe you.

[JamalYIgle]

sorry double post:
BTW Stewie, Sorry about that I thought I was calling Chi-Boy.

[JamalYIgle]

What makes you think C.Lee cares? What makes you think I do? You want debatable points? There they are.

You post no evidence, whatsoever. You confuse your opinion with fact, and you are completely intolerant of any opposing point of view.

You are nothing more than a puppet at an internet cafe, who linked Ingle's public website as proof of your identity. Your persistant ignorance of Routh's slender physique and his resemblance to Reeve betrays your claims of artistic skill. I can accurately make this assessment because I have the insight, knowledge and experience as an animator to back it up.

When I get the PM, and I see your driver's liscence, then I'll believe you, and not a second before. If you are really who you claim to be, you won't care that I don't believe you.

So go on now, show me how much you don't care that I don't believe you.
I'll do one better, Just so that no one else has any doubts. I blacked out the important information:http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c7/JamalIgle/ddl.jpg

[dark_b]

you are a very big black guy.
you could really kick oldguys ass hehehehehhe :D.

[JamalYIgle]

They call me Big Poppa for a reason

[J.Howlett]

You guys are really hard on Routh...

Would you rather have Nic Cage, Ashton Butcher, or Josh Hartnett as Superman rather than Routh?

[Wushuboy]

For me it's not that im hard on routh.. i do like routh and think he's very capable of looking like superman.. it's just the costume designers and hairstylists really failed in bringing out routh's potential.

[J.Howlett]

Even with that, they had to update the costume a bit compared to what Reeves wore. No matter how you spin it, Reeves' costume isn't that great. Reeves' body is what made that costume.

The question with Routh's body is this; how long did he have to sculpt his body before they made that suit for him? He was cast in the role when and when did they start doing body cast to make his suit and when did they start filming....?

[Topdawg]

i would like to see how oldguy looks like. lol

[Captain Villa]

I'll do one better, Just so that no one else has any doubts. I blacked out the important information:http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c7/JamalIgle/ddl.jpg

Is this one of those times, where may i be so bold and English to dare say it ?

"Oldguy ? - You got OWNED !"

:D

[Wushuboy]

Even with that, they had to update the costume a bit compared to what Reeves wore. No matter how you spin it, Reeves' costume isn't that great. Reeves' body is what made that costume.

The question with Routh's body is this; how long did he have to sculpt his body before they made that suit for him? He was cast in the role when and when did they start doing body cast to make his suit and when did they start filming....?


they had to update the materials of the costume not the design. Maybe they could have tweaked little things but overall the design of the Reeve costume was dead on accurate to the comics. the proportions and cuts were great. The only part of the design that needed updating were the S and bringing the belt slightly down.. but not down to the hips. Midway between the waist and hips would have been good.

[J.Howlett]

Routh's costume is pretty damn close, besides the neckline, which I think was the right move, considering Routh's shoulder/neck region.

He looks more stealth-like in his appearance. For me, he looks like Superman. I don't see what the fuss is about.

As far as the colors, well, he had them in the drawers for 5 years, of course they would be a little faded. Wouldn't you say?

[Dagoods]

BBBBBBBBBBAWWWWWWAHHHHHHHh

Byron Ruth looks like that clown from that 70's show :D

http://z.about.com/d/primetimetv/1/0/p/7/that70sshow_topher2002_72.jpg
Eric Forman :D:D:D


BEHOLD THE REAL SUPERMAN:

http://www.cinemaemcena.com.br/cinemacena/Geral/news/superman508.jpg

[J.Howlett]

Sorry but Tom Welling is not Superman in any stretch of the imagination. He's just okay. He's up there with Dean Cain...

[JBElliott]

http://www.dccomics.com/comics/?cm=5092

Look at the artists, that's why.

So what? It's the opinion of one comic artist. Big deal. Other comic artists haven't been so keen on Routh, e.g. Alex Ross.

[JBElliott]

Interesting that you should mention that.

In the latest issue of Action Comics, Superman actually looks like Routh...and it works.:up:

He might look similar to Routh, but he's still drawn a lot bigger and more muscularly that Routh.

[Fatboy Roberts]

LOL. holy s**t. Dude, OG. you can't let yourself spiral that far out of control like that. I know you get pissed when people disagree with you and then disagree with the WAY you disagree with people. It sets off this weird chain reaction of misguided nastiness, but trying to call out Jamal like that? Essentially saying you don't beleive he's really Jamal simply because he disagrees with your opinion as a layout artist? That's REALLY stretching it man. C'mon. Your calling the dude's IDENTITY into question because you don't see things from his point of view--so he MUST be a liar hijacking identities to win arguments on the internet?

That's pathological, dude. The intolerance you rage against is almost ALWAYS largely your own. Give yourself some credit for a change. Hell, you've tried to claw my eyes out here more times than I can count and *I* give you more credit than that.

What a stupid ploy. Who cares. That guy is ugly and painful to look at.

What an insightful rebuttal. And it would have been better if the guys face was the point of posting the picture. but it wasn't. You sort of got to an actual point by the end of your rambling there, but it really didn't have anything to do with what Jamal was talking about.

[M.O.Steel]

BBBBBBBBBBAWWWWWWAHHHHHHHh

Byron Ruth looks like that clown from that 70's show :D


Eric Forman :D:D:D


BEHOLD THE REAL SUPERMAN:

http://www.cinemaemcena.com.br/cinemacena/Geral/news/superman508.jpg

welling will never look like that, certainly not in the suit, just because some guy drew his vision of superman and put welling's head on it.

[JBElliott]

welling will never look like that, certainly not in the suit, just because some guy drew his vision of superman and put welling's head on it.

"some guy" = Alex Ross

There's no reason Welling couldn't have that build. Certainly not if he hooked up with some of the Balco boys and that's probably not even necessary.

[Wushuboy]

Routh's costume is pretty damn close, besides the neckline, which I think was the right move, considering Routh's shoulder/neck region.

He looks more stealth-like in his appearance. For me, he looks like Superman. I don't see what the fuss is about.

As far as the colors, well, he had them in the drawers for 5 years, of course they would be a little faded. Wouldn't you say?

since when is superman supposed to look stealth like?

FYI colors fade from use and from exposure to sunlight not if they're stored in a dark place. That's such a horrible arguement to explain the colors.

[Wushuboy]

So what? It's the opinion of one comic artist. Big deal. Other comic artists haven't been so keen on Routh, e.g. Alex Ross.

:up:

[spencer6891]

BEHOLD THE REAL SUPERMAN:

http://www.cinemaemcena.com.br/cinemacena/Geral/news/superman508.jpg


I am baffled by all the Welling support. The guy has too many feminine features to be Superman. Yes, he has a nice jaw, but those puckered pink lips and flared nostrils don't look very manly to me. I'm surprised no one else sees how feminine his facial structure is. :confused:

[Naite22]

I really dislike that top image of Routh. It looks like he's wearing lipstick and foundation....

But cool comparisons :up:
Lipstick and foundation huh.. than look at the bottom right pic of Reeve!.. Looks like he's wearing mascarra.. to each its own.. Routh looks great! He has a whole lot of Reeve in him, but it's clear that he'll also bring in his own version of superman.. a version I can't wait to see come to life.. He'll be awesome:up: :up:

[Zor-El]

http://captain.custard.org/league/graphics/150/lois-e2.jpg

http://www.**************.com/images/news/superman-returns/Lois%20Lane%202.jpg
thats a keeper, put it in the comic to film thread :up:

[The Kid]

yeesh! and I thought my drivers license picture was bad... :D
My hair has that napoleon dynamite thing going on in it and I look like I just ate some crackbars for breakfast.

now what I want to say... how the heeeelll is it you can compare welling to routh when we've never seen Welling put on the tights or have his hair done like superman's. Let it be... no welling bashing please... it's not cool... I thought that was done by now.

About the too femenine thing. IN some shot, he looks a little too beautiful, but in others, I can't think of him as anything but the man of steel. It's weird. Or maybe its the all natural blue eyes. heh

[Fatboy Roberts]

thats a keeper, put it in the comic to film thread :up:

Actually, the better one would be the shot from the trailer where it's actually in her mouth. And her hair looks darker in that shot, too.

http://captain.custard.org/league/graphics/150/lois-e2.jpg
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/6379/lois2un.jpg

[Tzigone]

yeesh! and I thought my drivers license picture was bad... :D
My hair has that napoleon dynamite thing going on in it and I look like I just ate some crackbars for breakfast.

now what I want to say... how the heeeelll is it you can compare welling to routh when we've never seen Welling put on the tights or have his hair done like superman's. Let it be... no welling bashing please... it's not cool... I thought that was done by now.

About the too femenine thing. IN some shot, he looks a little too beautiful, but in others, I can't think of him as anything but the man of steel. It's weird. Or maybe its the all natural blue eyes. heh

I'd vote for no Welling or Routh bashing, please. BTW, Welling's eyes are green, not blue.

[The Kid]

I can never tell... Well I learned something new today. thnx... :D

[chi-boy]

Did Rob Leifield draw this?
http://www.cinemaemcena.com.br/cinemacena/Geral/news/superman508.jpg


http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/387/liefeldcaptainamerica0xc.jpg

[Zor-El]

Did Rob Leifield draw this?
http://www.cinemaemcena.com.br/cinemacena/Geral/news/superman508.jpg


http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/387/liefeldcaptainamerica0xc.jpg
alex ross.

[Zor-El]

Actually, the better one would be the shot from the trailer where it's actually in her mouth. And her hair looks darker in that shot, too.

http://captain.custard.org/league/graphics/150/lois-e2.jpg
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/6379/lois2un.jpg
true.

[Fatboy Roberts]

Jesus God Liefeld is horrible.

[Captain Villa]

BBBBBBBBBBAWWWWWWAHHHHHHHh

Byron Ruth looks like that clown from that 70's show :D

http://z.about.com/d/primetimetv/1/0/p/7/that70sshow_topher2002_72.jpg
Eric Forman :D:D:D


BEHOLD THE REAL SUPERMAN:

http://www.cinemaemcena.com.br/cinemacena/Geral/news/superman508.jpg


Now this is "Trolling".........

The guys name is "Brandon Routh", not "Byron Ruth".

More respected trolls do their homework first.

[Topdawg]

Now this is "Trolling".........

The guys name is "Brandon Routh", not "Byron Ruth".

More respected trolls do their homework first.




:supes:OWNED!!! LOL.

[DOO BEE]

trolling is done because the smallville fans can't admit that Routh will bury wellings performance..... they are all just jealous little trolls lost in there little tv boxes.....


-Doo Bee

[Captain Villa]

trolling is done because the smallville fans can't admit that Routh will bury wellings performance..... they are all just jealous little trolls lost in there little tv boxes.....


-Doo Bee



No, they aren't. I'm a Smallville fan too and I look forward to SR.

Fact is, these trolls are attention seeking saddo's whose home lives are simply dull and come here for a bit of attention.

[DOO BEE]

my sayign still goes but... you like smallville and the movie.... i never said all smallville fans i said the trolls are all smallville fans only.....


well thats what i meant i re-read what i wrote and yeah... thats what imeant... the biased SV fans are *****......

[Zor-El]

Jesus God Liefeld is horrible.
not all of his stuff looks like that...
he's not my cup o' tea, for sure, and he does seem to tend to draw out of proportion here ane there... but i've seen a lot of his work that's a little less....uh....bad lol
the Capt. America pic is the most extreme of his i've seen.

[lujho]

I think routh's huge enough but what makes his neck appear so small is that tight neckline. Any pic of him I see with an open neckline he looks much better...

It accentuates it, but its still thinner than ideal nonetheless. He just doesn't have a strong neck.

If you saw Routh walking down the street, you wouldn't say "boy, what a thin neck". It's in fact entirely normal. But Superman should be more than that. Routh should have put as much effort in to bulking up his neck as he did the rest of his body. It may sound excessive, but it really would have been a significany improvement.

[lujho]

He might look similar to Routh, but he's still drawn a lot bigger and more muscularly that Routh.

I checked out that issue (838)today. And the things that people talk about that make Routh look like a weaker Suerpman than he could be are not on the Superman that issue. It's not really drawn to look like Routh at all - he's got the thick neck, strong jaw and chin and smaller nose that every drawn incarnation of Superman has.

I don't give a **** about Routh's physique - from the shoulders down he's absolutely fine. Yes, he's a lean and slender Superman, but that's totally okay with me, I'm as fine with it as I would be with a bigger Supes - there's an acceptable range for Supes' physique and for me Routh falls in to it.

It's from the neck up that he's weaker than ideal, and if that weren't the case people wouldn't worry nearly so much about the rest of his body.

Superman can be slender and youthful and still be Superman - I like that version. Like this version - this is totally Superman to me:

http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/5419_400x600.jpg

But the above version still has a strong neck, and much more ideal facial proportions - nose, jaw, chin etc. Superman just really needs to look like a perfect sculpture or drawing of idealized masculinity - and this is NOT an unattainable goal - there ARE guys who look like that or could be made to. But Routh's not that - he's just a good-looking, slightly gawky, angular-faced guy, but he's no Appollo. It's a matter of pure geometry.

Christ, I'm not even against Routh, I think he's a good choice overall, but when people say that he doesn't fit the bill 100% (or even 90%) physically, I can see where they're coming from. From the shoulder's down he's fine, if on the lean side, but from the neck up he's significantly less than ideal, and some of that could have been fixed.

Superman's the one character out of all of them who most deserves to look like he's ripped straight out of the DC universe, for real, and not just having an actor portray him the way someone portrays a famous historical figure.

[Octoberist]

Did Rob Leifield draw this?
http://www.cinemaemcena.com.br/cinemacena/Geral/news/superman508.jpg


http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/387/liefeldcaptainamerica0xc.jpg

Ugly artwork.

[chi-boy]

So what? It's the opinion of one comic artist. Big deal. Other comic artists haven't been so keen on Routh, e.g. Alex Ross.

Yeah, it's not like you ever used your degree in physics to gain leverage in an argument. Hey everybody, let's not forget ol' JB runs marathons too. Just letting everyone know, so later The Man himself doesn't have to sound like an arrogant douche and tell everyone himself. :down :)

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

Hey chi-boy, can you atleast try to be civil when you post here?

[chi-boy]

Hey chi-boy, can you atleast try to be civil when you post here?

Yes.:) :up:

[Kane]

I am baffled by all the Welling support. The guy has too many feminine features to be Superman. Yes, he has a nice jaw, but those puckered pink lips and flared nostrils don't look very manly to me. I'm surprised no one else sees how feminine his facial structure is. :confused:

Since when are flared nostrils a female trait? A girl with Wellings hugeass nostrils would look hideous. :down

I dont think he has any female features, aside from his hair.. I think he looks the part as much as Brandon does. Both could pass as young and old.

[M.O.Steel]

"some guy" = Alex Ross

There's no reason Welling couldn't have that build. Certainly not if he hooked up with some of the Balco boys and that's probably not even necessary.

Yes i know it was done by Alex Ross. Big fan. I used the term some guy to generalize and say that it's just a manip that anyone could do, take a body of a big muscular superman and put welling, routh, or reeve's head on it. But that is not welling.

[Wushuboy]

I checked out that issue (838)today. And the things that people talk about that make Routh look like a weaker Suerpman than he could be are not on the Superman that issue. It's not really drawn to look like Routh at all - he's got the thick neck, strong jaw and chin and smaller nose that every drawn incarnation of Superman has.

I don't give a **** about Routh's physique - from the shoulders down he's absolutely fine. Yes, he's a lean and slender Superman, but that's totally okay with me, I'm as fine with it as I would be with a bigger Supes - there's an acceptable range for Supes' physique and for me Routh falls in to it.

It's from the neck up that he's weaker than ideal, and if that weren't the case people wouldn't worry nearly so much about the rest of his body.

Superman can be slender and youthful and still be Superman - I like that version. Like this version - this is totally Superman to me:

http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/5419_400x600.jpg

But the above version still has a strong neck, and much more ideal facial proportions - nose, jaw, chin etc. Superman just really needs to look like a perfect sculpture or drawing of idealized masculinity - and this is NOT an unattainable goal - there ARE guys who look like that or could be made to. But Routh's not that - he's just a good-looking, slightly gawky, angular-faced guy, but he's no Appollo. It's a matter of pure geometry.

Christ, I'm not even against Routh, I think he's a good choice overall, but when people say that he doesn't fit the bill 100% (or even 90%) physically, I can see where they're coming from. From the shoulder's down he's fine, if on the lean side, but from the neck up he's significantly less than ideal, and some of that could have been fixed.

Superman's the one character out of all of them who most deserves to look like he's ripped straight out of the DC universe, for real, and not just having an actor portray him the way someone portrays a famous historical figure.

excellent post!

[Morg]

Dagoods, methinks you need a break today. Bye!

[Kane]

....Morg, youre quoting McDonalds now?

[Morg]

....Morg, youre quoting McDonalds now?


I was? oh well, I never heard them so wouldn't know

[Nightwing1977]

Indeed it doesnt. Stupid Mingenbach has no understanding of how to design IMO.

That really unfair to call someone stupid just because they make the costume not done your way. At least she's a costumer designer & you're not. How come you're not doing one right now in Hollywood? At least she have a big job in Hollywood on something big like this movie & you're not. :p

[Kane]

I was? oh well, I never heard them so wouldn't know

That jingle; "You deserve a break today".. nvmd

[darknight7]

Youre right - Its not Kidder. Thats a still from Reeve's audition. I only think it was posted as a comparison of Reeve to Routh.

That doesn't even look like Reeve...:confused:

EDIT

I didn't know that was Reeve from the screen test...:)my bad

--dk7

[redisnotbrown]

Did Rob Leifield draw this?
http://www.cinemaemcena.com.br/cinemacena/Geral/news/superman508.jpg


http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/387/liefeldcaptainamerica0xc.jpg

Since when is Captain America a fat arsed dude with big tits??!!!

LOL, awful drawings!!

captain america has small head,big tits,

disgraceful!!

[Wushuboy]

That really unfair to call someone stupid just because they make the costume not done your way. At least she's a costumer designer & you're not. How come you're not doing one right now in Hollywood? At least she have a big job in Hollywood on something big like this movie & you're not. :p

It's my opinion. And from my artistic standpoint the choices she made on the superman costume were horrible. I dont have to be a costume designer to criticize her. In order to criticize her I have to be in the industry? what kind of logic in that? Have you every criticized anything in your entire life? I hope not because you'd seem hypocritical if you did. Did you like what Schumacher did with batman? What goyer did to blade? Did you like the nipples on the batsuit? If you complained at all .. evne the tiny bit that'd already make you hypocritical because you know.. at least schumacher is a big hollywood director and you're not and the person responsible for the bat nipples is had a big job in hollywood and you didnt. So you know.. you should just accept his vision and anyone else's vision because they have a job in hollywood. Just because someone's in hollywood doesnt make their choices right. Your post just shows how blindly devoted you are to Singer's vision. I like pretty much every singer movie made thus far and think he's a great director but that doesnt mean he and his team arent impervious to criticism

[redisnotbrown]

i think overall, mingenbach has done ok,
ok so the colours are darker, and neckline and shield on belt, but otherwise its a good costume and suits brandon well.

just be lucky we didnt get rubber nipples or some of John peters stuff!!

[Mr. Thing]

i think overall, mingenbach has done ok,
ok so the colours are darker, and neckline and shield on belt, but otherwise its a good costume and suits brandon well.

just be lucky we didnt get rubber nipples or some of John peters stuff!!

Exactly!

I like the suit, and I now love the colours, the work really well with each other. Only gripe is the neckline, that's about it.

[Wushuboy]

i just feel there was a missed opportunity to create something awesome. Superman shouldnt deserve jsut an ok costume.

I bet nightwing wouldnt have cared if there were rubber nipples on the costume cuz you know.. big hollywood costume designers can do no wrong.

[Wushuboy]

Exactly!

I like the suit, and I now love the colours, the work really well with each other. Only gripe is the neckline, that's about it.


for me it's the neckline and belt symbol... i mean those are the two biggest design elements of superman's costume and they couldnt get it right. oh well. im a traditionalist at heart but maybe once i see the movie ill be more ok with it.. though for now... im not liking the design or the colors.

[skruloos]

It's my opinion. And from my artistic standpoint the choices she made on the superman costume were horrible. I dont have to be a costume designer to criticize her. In order to criticize her I have to be in the industry? ...
I like pretty much every singer movie made thus far and think he's a great director but that doesnt mean he and his team arent impervious to criticism
Criticism is one thing. But just insulting the person? That's not criticism.

[skruloos]

for me it's the neckline and belt symbol... i mean those are the two biggest design elements of superman's costume and they couldnt get it right.
It's not a matter of getting it "right". It's that what's important about the design elements to you aren't the same for Singer or Mingebach.

[Showtime]

for me it's the neckline and belt symbol... i mean those are the two biggest design elements of superman's costume and they couldnt get it right. oh well. im a traditionalist at heart but maybe once i see the movie ill be more ok with it.. though for now... im not liking the design or the colors.

In regards to the belt, I know you wouldn't call it traditional, but you could definately call it retro since it has been featured on incarnations of Superman before.

[Wushuboy]

Unfortunately most people of this generation won't know that. So to many people it wouldnt be considered traditional. I agree that it could be retro. It's all relative to your age.

[Zor-El]

Unfortunately most people of this generation won't know that. So to many people it wouldnt be considered traditional. I agree that it could be retro. It's all relative to your age.
it's a belt buckle.
on Superman.
no offense at all meant here, but most people of this generation won't care what it is other than a belt buckle. on Superman.

[Whack Arnolds]

I just bought a cool metal Superman belt buckle not that long ago... it owns.

[Nightwing1977]

I bet nightwing wouldnt have cared if there were rubber nipples on the costume cuz you know.. big hollywood costume designers can do no wrong.

Sorry, but you're incorrect. I never like nipples on the costumes. Never have, never will. Just because I'm ok with some minor changes don't mean I'm going to like everything, especially the nipples. Duh! ;) :p

[Corben_Rulz]

To the GENIUS who put the bigger neck on Routh. . .

This has been my complaint since the first pic was released. A bigger neck is vital to looking older and more masculine. I just can't get past the fact that Routh's neck is so skinny. It really makes him look young.

[user123456789]

How does The Game put it? Ah yes...

Pure Ether. :up:

Never thought i'd live to see Oldguy quote The Game... :up:

[JBElliott]

Yeah, it's not like you ever used your degree in physics to gain leverage in an argument. Hey everybody, let's not forget ol' JB runs marathons too. Just letting everyone know, so later The Man himself doesn't have to sound like an arrogant douche and tell everyone himself. :down :)

I have used my background and expertise to point out errors in other people's logic during discussions. There's a difference between matters of fact and opinions. In matters of fact, expert opinions weigh more than the opinions of lay people. In matters of taste the difference is much less.

As for who is an "arrogant douche", I'd suggest you look in the mirror to find out.

[Backdrifter]

I have used my background and expertise to point out errors in other people's logic during discussions. There's a difference between matters of fact and opinions. In matters of fact, expert opinions weigh more than the opinions of lay people. In matters of taste the difference is much less.

As for who is an "arrogant douche", I'd suggest you look in the mirror to find out.
I have never encountered such a swollen-headed poster in all my life. Do you announce your professional expertise to the people who you argue with in real life? Or, is this just a facade that you put up on the internet to make yourself feel important? I mean, your signature is probably the most outrageously self-important singnature that I have come across in my tenure at the Hype.

[chi-boy]

I have used my background and expertise to point out errors in other people's logic during discussions. There's a difference between matters of fact and opinions. In matters of fact, expert opinions weigh more than the opinions of lay people. In matters of taste the difference is much less.

As for who is an "arrogant douche", I'd suggest you look in the mirror to find out.

How does your "expertise" help in a discussion about superheroes? You know how stupid that sounds? That's like trying to argue how many angels can dance on a head of a pin. You scrawny little man, it's a wonder you like comics in the first place. Your brain must be ready to explode with all the inconsistencies and bad writing that is had in a comic book. ****ing grow up, and quit using your "background" in an argument over a guy in tights.

[chi-boy]

I have never encountered such a swollen-headed poster in all my life. Do you announce your professional expertise to the people who you argue with in real life? Or, is this just facade that you put up on the internet to make yourself feel important? I mean, your signature is probably the most outrageously self-important singnature that I have come across in my tenure at the Hype.

The only reason he's so good at running is because he got so much practice fleeing bullies back in his schoolboy days. JBElliot can run fast. That's something to be proud of. :) :up:

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Wow, that guy should change the profile under his username to "smug arse". Man, I cannot stand self-centric ego maniacs.

[chi-boy]

In matters of fact, expert opinions weigh more than the opinions of lay people. In matters of taste the difference is much less.

If that's true, then that contradicts what you told Jamal earlier. You'd think a successful comicbook artist would have more say in the matter, than a skimpy white dude with a background in physics. I mean, weren't we discussing Superman's build? I fail to see how that is related to your "field of expertise", but I guess you're one of those people who says one thing, and does another. Bi-atch. :up: :)

[Spare-Flair]

Chris Reeve worked his butt off to get in shape for the first Superman movie. Stanidng 6'4", his bull neck, broad shoulders and developed legs exuded power, strength and confidence. I'm sure Routh will give it his best, turning in a sincere and competant performance. But if he really wanted to honor the character he could have at least had the courtesy to put on twenty pounds. If Bale and Jackman could get into that kind of shape then certainly Routh could have. What with the modern nutrition and training he has at his disposal there is really no excuse, despite that bit of baloney about the suit not being able to accomodate a weight change. For cryin' out loud we're talking about a padded suit. Padded! Chris Reeve didin't need no stinking padding! Reading the current entry in the Superman Set series I am absolutely mystified by those inane comments offered up by the costume designers as they diss the Reeve costume and make lame excuses for the new one. What the heck were they thinking? It's obvious this disaster reflects Singer's peculiar "take" on the character and it certainly looks "swishy" to me, if you get my drift. Routh has a long torso and thin neck so what do they do? They design an outfit that ACCENTUATES his physical weaknesses. Superman isn't a "swimmer" and shouldn't look like one. Funny how none of us have no problem with the way he looks in the comics but when he hits the big screen the excuses start pouring in. The physical comparisons between Routh and Reeve are inevitable and they won't prove kind to Routh, not in that get-up and certainly not in the shape he's in. Padding...PULEEEZE!

Agreed, the fault lies not with Routh but more with Singer and the production designers for all their ridiculous design choices.