So what books of Stracsynski's run on ASM makes people hate him?

[JesusOfNazarath]

Is it the sins past, The Other story line and the Iron Spidey suit? Do the people who hate those parts know it was Joe Q's idea for them? I agree those acrs were pretty bad, but the most of his run I thought was good. Anyways, I'm not trying to convince anybody to like his writing, I just want to know what people think.

[Cyclops]

It's Sins Past. Everybody would still love JMS if not for Sins Past.

And before you say "He changed Spidey's origin!", let me tell you that he never did. He made it obvious by the "Book of Ezekiel" arc that Ezekiel was the totem spider and he was throwing all the hunters onto Peter's trail to save his own neck.

"The Other" came along and ****ed with that but I don't fault JMS for it.

[JesusOfNazarath]

Yeah figured that Sins Past might have been the starting point. I read the most recent issue of Wizard today and in it said, JMS went to Joe saying that he wanted to have it be Petes baby, but Joe said nah lets make it Norman's. I'm guessing Joe didn't like JMS' idea cuz it "aged" him in kids eyes.:rolleyes:

[Happenstance]

Sins Past was the start of the hatred for me but The Other just added to it. And I am still going to say that he did change Spideys origin despite what Cyclops says, we get his mystic curse, death, reborn, the stupid "other" thing talking to him. I hated it all and I hate the new suit and Pete being Starks lackey aswell.

[AmaznSpider-Fan]

No offense, but how many times is this going to be gone over. :rolleyes:

I think the line has been clearly drawn over and over as to what arcs people hate. There are tons of threads covering this.

[LarryLegend]

I'd say the whole totem thing was the start but Sins Past was the straw that broke the camel's back.

[Norman Osborn]

Just to be clear...I don't hate Straz...I hate him on Spider-man

Molten Man 2 (Skin Deep) Not because the villain was silly and a "rip" of a silver age villain but because the characterization was absolutely brutal. The flashbacks showed Pete as an opportunistic *** who was willing to feed another "socially awkward" student to the lions (not to mention join in the hazing) for a few moments of bully reprieve. Fast forward to the future and you see a Parker who blindly endorses the experiments of this same guy, sight unseen. Then when he realizes the guy's experiments are on the brink of catastrophe and could wipe out the entire city...Pete angrily storms out with a "you have 24 hours" ultimatum!!....24 hours??....Uhmmm Pete...remember that whole "power and responsibility" thing??

This was the first evidence that Straz was really not on the ball as it pertains to Spidey......"Sins Past" and the "Other" although far worse than the aforementioned, have been beaten to death enough here.....Skin Deep has always been that initial test result that preceeded a whole lot of ailing!!

[Citizen_Kaine]

I got sick and tired of him after the first Morlun arc, the creation of ****ty villians that were reminiscant of the Original classic versions, that got killed off at the end of each issue. I hated how he ****ed up ASM 500, and I hated the lack of supporting cast and villains in general. His arcs bore me to tears anyway, Sins Past was just the point where everyone started notcing this

[Rez]

Sins Past and The Other. That's it.

Even though he had a few other poor arcs, the majority of his stuff is FANTASTIC, and every writer could be expected to have a few duds. But the sheer concepts brought up in Sins Past, and the total mess of the Other were both horrible, unfixable mistakes.

[Elijya]

Basicly: JMS + JRJr on ASM = Gold

JMS on ASM -JRJr = crap

[roach]

It's Sins Past. Everybody would still love JMS if not for Sins Past.

And before you say "He changed Spidey's origin!", let me tell you that he never did. He made it obvious by the "Book of Ezekiel" arc that Ezekiel was the totem spider and he was throwing all the hunters onto Peter's trail to save his own neck.

"The Other" came along and ****ed with that but I don't fault JMS for it.


I agree with this assessment. In fact I dont think Sins Past would be so hated if it was allowed to go to print as JMS wanted(the kids being Peter's)

[stillanerd]

Strike one--The 9/11 issue. Not because it should'nt have been made but because JMS used Spidey to basically spout the notion that the United States probably deserved what it got on September 11th because of the terrible mistakes committed in the past, implying that the terrorists actions were justifiable. To be fair, it did try to make an attempt at honoring the men and women who acted heroically that day.

Strike Two--Sins Past, more specifically part 4 where the actual revealation that Gwen slept with Norman Osborn because of his "personal magnetism" was revealed. Despite JMS claims it fit into continuity, there was no way it could have, and he had to essentially re-write long established characters and have them act out of character in order for the situation to work. Plus we got a lously Goblin knock-off and later the awful Sins Remembered arc.

Strike Three--The Other, and although that was a story by commitee, it not only confirmed that Peter was bitten by a magical spider, which means that regardless of the radiation, he would've recieved spider powers (and likewise contradicting the entire theme of the spider-totem subplot in that there are certain mysteries that make it appear that science and the spiritual do not always contradict each other--plus bringing up the whole idea again after he had already effectively ended it in the book of Ezekiel) but we got those awful stingers that just screamed "Wolverine rip-off."

I do not "hate" JMS at all; I just feel that, when it comes to Amazing Spider-Man, he has worn out his welcome, especially now since he's pretty much ran the whole new age, mystical spider-totem crap into the ground. In other words, "Strike Three! You're out, JMS!"

[Cullen]

It's been said, but I don't mind repeating myself. I don't hate JMS. I hate his work on Amazing from "Sins Past" on. roach might be right, I and others like me might have be more okay with things had the kids been Peter's, but there's a hell of a lot wrong with the story beyond that.

[roach]

Strike one--The 9/11 issue. Not because it should'nt have been made but because JMS used Spidey to basically spout the notion that the United States probably deserved what it got on September 11th because of the terrible mistakes committed in the past, implying that the terrorists actions were justifiable. To be fair, it did try to make an attempt at honoring the men and women who acted heroically that day.


I may have to go read this again because I didnt get that from the issue

[Rez]

That's because it didn't happen. It was stated in one page from a tv report from some Arab nation and a religious nutjob. Stillanerd... wtf?

[Rez]

Here's some dialogue from the issue...

Spiderman: How do you say we didn't know? We couldn't know. We couldn't imagine.

Yeah. That's really him saying, "We should have expected the attacks!"


Here's the "naughty" dialogue:

Spiderman Commentary: Ordinary men. Ordinary women. Refusing to accept the self serving proclamations of holy warriors of every stripe, who announce that somehow we had this coming.

Cue Right Wing Religious Nut on Tv: ...Probably what we deserve... All of them who have tried to secularize America... the Pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians and the ACLU... I point the finger in their face and say, "You helped this happen."

Cue Arab Nation dude on TV: --It is God's will that America should fall through their iniquity and their sin--

Spiderman Commentary: We reject them both in the knowledge that our tragedy is greater than the sum of our transgressions.



Mmmhmm... Sounds like he was really supporting the terrorists.

[Citizen_Kaine]

Here's some dialogue from the issue...

Spiderman: How do you say we didn't know? We couldn't know. We couldn't imagine.

Yeah. That's really him saying, "We should have expected the attacks!"


Here's the "naughty" dialogue:

Spiderman Commentary: Ordinary men. Ordinary women. Refusing to accept the self serving proclamations of holy warriors of every stripe, who announce that somehow we had this coming.

Cue Right Wing Religious Nut on Tv: ...Probably what we deserve... All of them who have tried to secularize America... the Pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians and the ACLU... I point the finger in their face and say, "You helped this happen."

Cue Arab Nation dude on TV: --It is God's will that America should fall through their iniquity and their sin--

Spiderman Commentary: We reject them both in the knowledge that our tragedy is greater than the sum of our transgressions.



Mmmhmm... Sounds like he was really supporting the terrorists.

I knew there was a reason for why he was wearing a turban that one issue :p :up:

[AmaznSpider-Fan]

The only thing I didn't like about that issue was the panel with Doctor Doom crying.

http://www.mackwhite.com/Marv-DrDoomTears.jpg


I mean give me a break...he could care less that it happened. It would have been a bit easier to stomach if it was Magneto.

[stillanerd]

Here's some dialogue from the issue...

Spiderman: How do you say we didn't know? We couldn't know. We couldn't imagine.

Yeah. That's really him saying, "We should have expected the attacks!"


Here's the "naughty" dialogue:

Spiderman Commentary: Ordinary men. Ordinary women. Refusing to accept the self serving proclamations of holy warriors of every stripe, who announce that somehow we had this coming.

Cue Right Wing Religious Nut on Tv: ...Probably what we deserve... All of them who have tried to secularize America... the Pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians and the ACLU... I point the finger in their face and say, "You helped this happen."

Cue Arab Nation dude on TV: --It is God's will that America should fall through their iniquity and their sin--

Spiderman Commentary: We reject them both in the knowledge that our tragedy is greater than the sum of our transgressions.



Mmmhmm... Sounds like he was really supporting the terrorists.

I stand corrected Rez (although JMS is making a moral equivalancy argument between the religious right and fanatical Islam, even though such statements were made). Besides, I wasn't trying to suggest that Spidey was supporting the terrorists at all, but that he--and I admit I was mistaken--implied that it was because of America's transgressions which promted the terrorist attacks, when it could be argued that it was Bin Laden trying to prove--wrongly--that the US was a "paper tiger." So I will say you were right, I was wrong, and perhaps the count is really two strikes and a foul ball.

[Kool-Aid]

JRJR colorist on AMS back then was awesome. I loved how he/she made the webs shine.:D:up: They should always do the coloring on Spider-Man books.

[Cyclops]

The only thing I didn't like about that issue was the panel with Doctor Doom crying.

I mean give me a break...he could care less that it happened. It would have been a bit easier to stomach if it was Magneto.

The whole issue was metaphorical and out of continuity. If you just look at it like that, you'll see it in an entirely different light.

[SouLeSS]

The recent things have just been beating a dead horse, as far as I understand the general readers response. He started going down when he was left alone, then it went to hell with Sins Past.

[Elijya]

"left alone"?

[Cyclops]

He means when they locked JMS in a dark room with nothing but pens, paper, and a flashlight and told him to script ASM for the next five years.

[SouLeSS]

"Heres a pen, and a pad of paper that only has 100 pages in it. You have to write the next 5 years of AMS with just that, and you have to do so in the next week, or we kill you"

When he came out all he had was "retcon everything" and they loved it. Unfortunatly, we didn't.

[Dangerous]

Basically ASM#509 onwards the begining of SP.
That arc just trashed Gwen, a pivitol character and it also trashed continuity.
It was basically a huge F-you to the fans, then came The Other and now Spidey is not even Spidey anymore.
He is just a pussy comparred to who he used to be, Tony Stark's lapdog whopee!

[shinlyle]

DISCLAIMER: This is a mixture of fact and my opinion.

Okay, first off, I don't hate JMS. I hate what he's done to Spidey, and I hate his writing on Spidey since ASM#509....that's it.

His first strike wasn't the totem/Morlun Arc. I liked that arc. It presented us with a question, and it was interesting. We all thought this could lead to some potentially awesome stories, and villians and new cast members attempted to convicne Spider-Man what his origin was, when he knew what it was. That wasn't the problem. His first arc was the first readable issue of ASM is a long time, and it didn't mess with continuity....it just messed with Peter's head, and I found that to be fun.

His first strike was Sins Past. As soon as it was revealed that Gwen had children, it started going downhill. When it was revealed they were children that were produced from consencual sex with Norman Osborn while Gwen was supposed to be dating Peter, it was over. This was the first real strike against him. Then, he explained away the pregnancy by the most asanine means possible....attempting to work it into continuity by making up gaps in it. We all caught on, and alot of people were dissillusioned with JMS then.

Then came the "Skin Deep" arc. It wasn't tha tit was terribly bad, just that it was overly mediocre. It introduced a new version of an old villian, and it managed to accomplish nothing to repair the damage don in the previous arc...which we were all more than willing to forget.


The next step was the "Hydra" arc, which was simply one of JMS's best Spidey arcs since he began. Despite the fact that the fan reaction to Spidey being a member on the New Avengers was mostly negative (at least, it is now), this arc really managed to shine. It actually had MJ being a viable character, and we got to see Wolverine totally OWNED by Spider-Man...which we all love to see. This arc was good enough to get those who might have walked away to come back.....just in time for "The Other".

"The Other" was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. I clung to the hope that this arc would be great. It's been so long since there was a major SPIDEY event, that I thought, "Certainly, it will be great"....well, I was wrong.

There is now ay around it, this storyline changed Peter's origin, after turning him into a killer. Then....he died. The character most people in the comics community can relate to, dies. It's over. We die, we don't come back (well, until Jesus raises us on the day of judgement, but I'm not going ot force my beliefs on you. Still....go to Church)

He made a deal with a Spider-Demon, and was [b]resurrected[b/] as "More Spider than Man". He is now no longer the Spider-Man we've always known.

The Iron Spider suit is simply a tool to aide in Civil War. That doesn't excuse the poor design, though. Yes, it is a crappy suit, but this isn't JMS's fault. The first ASM story featuring the suit, however, is his fault. I didn't buy it, as I said, the "Other" was the straw, but I read it in the shop, and it fell far short. It was a sub-standard arc that has made the loner hero we all know and love, nothing more than a gullible side-kick with little or no common sense. He calls Tony "boss", and does whatever he says. On top of all this, the book seems to be more about Tony Stark/Iron Man than it is about Peter Parker/Spider-Man nowadays.

That's stupid. Iron Man has his own book (late as though it may be). Let that book showcase Iron Man. He should only have the occasional guest appearance in ASM, despite them living in the same place. I mean, doesn't Iron Man fight any villians?!?!

Anyway, this is my timeline of how JMS's writing on Spidey went from cool, to total pooch-screw. Take it as you will.

[Gregatron]

Where to begin?

At the very beginning (ASM Vol. 2 # 30), with the introduction of Ezekiel and the stupid, fanboy-esque, tilt the mirror, "What if the spider that bit Peter did it on purpose?" revisionist garbage.

Then the mystical villains. Then the 9-11 issue (and Victor Von Doom CRYING). Then the Gangster Hulk. Then a Dr. Strange story jammed into Spidey's book (along with Loki and hot dogs). Then the deplorable 500th issue, with the inaccurate time-travel nonsense and the "cathartic realism" of Peter talking to Ben's ghost. Then Sins Crap. Then the Molten Man rip-off. Then The Other. And then...

And then...


And then...


And then...

[Captivated]

DISCLAIMER: This is a mixture of fact and my opinion.

Okay, first off, I don't hate JMS. I hate what he's done to Spidey, and I hate his writing on Spidey since ASM#509....that's it.

His first strike wasn't the totem/Morlun Arc. I liked that arc. It presented us with a question, and it was interesting. We all thought this could lead to some potentially awesome stories, and villians and new cast members attempted to convicne Spider-Man what his origin was, when he knew what it was. That wasn't the problem. His first arc was the first readable issue of ASM is a long time, and it didn't mess with continuity....it just messed with Peter's head, and I found that to be fun.

His first strike was Sins Past. As soon as it was revealed that Gwen had children, it started going downhill. When it was revealed they were children that were produced from consencual sex with Norman Osborn while Gwen was supposed to be dating Peter, it was over. This was the first real strike against him. Then, he explained away the pregnancy by the most asanine means possible....attempting to work it into continuity by making up gaps in it. We all caught on, and alot of people were dissillusioned with JMS then.

Then came the "Skin Deep" arc. It wasn't tha tit was terribly bad, just that it was overly mediocre. It introduced a new version of an old villian, and it managed to accomplish nothing to repair the damage don in the previous arc...which we were all more than willing to forget.


The next step was the "Hydra" arc, which was simply one of JMS's best Spidey arcs since he began. Despite the fact that the fan reaction to Spidey being a member on the New Avengers was mostly negative (at least, it is now), this arc really managed to shine. It actually had MJ being a viable character, and we got to see Wolverine totally OWNED by Spider-Man...which we all love to see. This arc was good enough to get those who might have walked away to come back.....just in time for "The Other".

"The Other" was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. I clung to the hope that this arc would be great. It's been so long since there was a major SPIDEY event, that I thought, "Certainly, it will be great"....well, I was wrong.

There is now ay around it, this storyline changed Peter's origin, after turning him into a killer. Then....he died. The character most people in the comics community can relate to, dies. It's over. We die, we don't come back (well, until Jesus raises us on the day of judgement, but I'm not going ot force my beliefs on you. Still....go to Church)

He made a deal with a Spider-Demon, and was resurrected as "More Spider than Man". He is now no longer the Spider-Man we've always known.

The Iron Spider suit is simply a tool to aide in Civil War. That doesn't excuse the poor design, though. Yes, it is a crappy suit, but this isn't JMS's fault. The first ASM story featuring the suit, however, is his fault. I didn't buy it, as I said, the "Other" was the straw, but I read it in the shop, and it fell far short. It was a sub-standard arc that has made the loner hero we all know and love, nothing more than a gullible side-kick with little or no common sense. He calls Tony "boss", and does whatever he says. On top of all this, the book seems to be more about Tony Stark/Iron Man than it is about Peter Parker/Spider-Man nowadays.

That's stupid. Iron Man has his own book (late as though it may be). Let that book showcase Iron Man. He should only have the occasional guest appearance in ASM, despite them living in the same place. I mean, doesn't Iron Man fight any villians?!?!

Anyway, this is my timeline of how JMS's writing on Spidey went from cool, to total pooch-screw. Take it as you will.
Oh, goodie... you saved me a lot of writing! :up:

JMS is such a mixed bag... good stories... HORRIBLE stories... I HATE what he did with Gwen (making them Peter's kids would have been 10 times worse!) but I love the way he writes MJ and Peter.

The only thing I have a different take on is the Tony Stark relationship... I don't think it belittles Peter.

With his supporting cast either dead, or constantly misunderstanding him It's natural for Peter be open to a friendship with Tony... they have mutual interests and Tony, by his interest and support has given Peter RESPECT (at least on the surface, and as far as Peter knows...) which I think Peter gets starved for.

Peter is in a different place... more mature... and the Avengers are different... they are humbler. I can see him trying his hand at being an Avenger at this point in time.

After the fire, Tony became a port in a storm, when he gave them a place to stay... just think of how vulnerable they were feeling... And then, when the reporter attacked MJ he gave them a great cover story and "took care of it".... major brownie points. Tony saved his life when Peter had literally sacrificed it on the back of that missle. When Peter was sick, Tony flew him to the best doctors and gave him use of his armor and a plane. When Peter "died" and MJ could barely put one foot in front of the other, he took care of things. I'm sure she told Peter.

And now after the many times Peter has admired Tony's armor, Tony has made him a "new" suit, and asked him to be his protege (defined: a person who receives support and protection from an influential patron who furthers the protege's career) I think the whole "blood oath" thing might have given Peter pause, but I can see him forming a unique relationship with Tony. And I don't hate the design of the new suit (except for those three arms... what is up with THAT) but Spidey isn't "Spidey" without the red and blues...

I think Peter calling him "boss" is done a little tongue in cheek... Peter is not kissing up or being a lackey, but he has CHOSEN to ally himself with Tony for now... and in a sense Tony is his boss. He is also older and has been at this longer... Peter is respecting his "elders".

BUT, WE know that all is not as it seems... and while Peter may tend to be trusting, he's not stupid. He already suspects that something is "off" with the questions he was asking of Tony last issue... He'll figure it out.

JMS has been writing Peter as much more intelligent than Bendis, who has done a complete hack job on the character in the New Avengers.

[Eye Doc]

Like so many others here, I don't hate JMS. I just "hate" some of the things he's done on the book and some of the things he hasn't done.

We constantly debate on the poor creative decisions he's made (Sins Past, The Other, etc), but I'm actually more disappointed in what he hasn't done. He grew up when Spidey when the character was at his creative peak. I've heard him talk about how cool it was to read the book in the 60's and early 70's because new characters were constantly created....especially during the Ditko/Romita era. When he started the book he said that he wanted to keep the book fresh and bring in new foes for Spidey to fight. Yet, almost five years later, all JMS has really got to show for his run is Morlun and Digger. I just expected more from a guy who wrote Risiing Stars and has worked in the TV industry.

I also "hate" that he hasn't done anything with the supporting cast outside of MJ and May. The Bugle characters have all but vanished from AMZ. When is the last time Jonah, Betty, or Robbie played an important role in an AMZ story? It wouldn't hurt to see them from time to time. I'd also like to see some new people introduced there or at least have some of the older people show up. In the past we had people like Ned Leeds, Kate Cushing, Joy Mercado, Lance Bannon, and Glory Grant. They may not have had a major role, but all of the above have been prominently featured in the book even if only for a shot spell. The Bugle should be made a more important aspect of Peter's life.

If JMS wanted to de-emphasize the Bugle, why hasn't he built up the role of the Peter's co-workers and students at the high school? Can anyone here name a co-woker there? I sure can't. Joe Q says he wants to keep Peter young. Why not have him interact with the students more? Peter, even in Marvel time, isn't that much older than the students.

Who do Pete and MJ hang out with? JMS has pretty much ignored Flash, Liz, and Randy for his entire run. When's the last time anyone saw Anna Watson? In 5 yrs time he should've used these older supporting characters more or at least created a new one. I can't think of anyone new outside of the Lamont the cop.

I had high hopes when JMS came aboard. I've liked some of his work but overall it's been a let down. It's laughable to hear Quesada say the book needs a better supporting cast when they've been there all along. If those guys couldn't see what was wrong with Spidey in all this time, I have little faith their new miniseries is going to "fix" the character.

Eye Doc

[Dragon]

Oh, goodie... you saved me a lot of writing! :up:

JMS is such a mixed bag... good stories... HORRIBLE stories... I HATE what he did with Gwen (making them Peter's kids would have been 10 times worse!) but I love the way he writes MJ and Peter.

The only thing I have a different take on is the Tony Stark relationship... I don't think it belittles Peter.

With his supporting cast either dead, or constantly misunderstanding him It's natural for Peter be open to a friendship with Tony... they have mutual interests and Tony, by his interest and support has given Peter RESPECT (at least on the surface, and as far as Peter knows...) which I think Peter gets starved for.

Peter is in a different place... more mature... and the Avengers are different... they are humbler. I can see him trying his hand at being an Avenger at this point in time.

After the fire, Tony became a port in a storm, when he gave them a place to stay... just think of how vulnerable they were feeling... And then, when the reporter attacked MJ he gave them a great cover story and "took care of it".... major brownie points. Tony saved his life when Peter had literally sacrificed it on the back of that missle. When Peter was sick, Tony flew him to the best doctors and gave him use of his armor and a plane. When Peter "died" and MJ could barely put one foot in front of the other, he took care of things. I'm sure she told Peter.

And now after the many times Peter has admired Tony's armor, Tony has made him a "new" suit, and asked him to be his protege (defined: a person who receives support and protection from an influential patron who furthers the protege's career) I think the whole "blood oath" thing might have given Peter pause, but I can see him forming a unique relationship with Tony. And I don't hate the design of the new suit (except for those three arms... what is up with THAT) but Spidey isn't "Spidey" without the red and blues...

I think Peter calling him "boss" is done a little tongue in cheek... Peter is not kissing up or being a lackey, but he has CHOSEN to ally himself with Tony for now... and in a sense Tony is his boss. He is also older and has been at this longer... Peter is respecting his "elders".

BUT, WE know that all is not as it seems... and while Peter may tend to be trusting, he's not stupid. He already suspects that something is "off" with the questions he was asking of Tony last issue... He'll figure it out.

JMS has been writing Peter as much more intelligent than Bendis, who has done a complete hack job on the character in the New Avengers.

There are numerous problems with these points.

First Peter turning to Tony as "A port in the storm" is just the problem. Peter has always been self-sufficient. At this point in his life, he should be moreso. Growing stronger and wiser. Especially because he has to look out for MJ and Aunt May. He's always going to have problems. That's the credo of the character. How he deals with them is what's important.

Second, Peter purely out of his independence and self-sufficience should not accept the role as "protege". Maybe back when he was in high school or early college. Not at this point in his life. Losing Gwen, getting married- Aunt May learning his secret- surviving near-death countless times- Peter is simply too advanced in his life to take a back seat to anyone. Remember the way he handled Ezekiel, with all of his money and power? He showed Zeke respect, but was never beholding to him. But that's how he's written with Tony.

The same deal with the suit. It does nothing but weaken Peter's individuality.
The enhancements it gives are minor. Does Spidey need to fly? No. Does he need armor? He's fast enough to dodge a barrage of bullets- What can hit him? Yes I know he takes hits- but that's more the writer's fault as far as staging. Short of a Quicksilver, almost no one should really be able to lay a glove on Spidey unless he slows down for whatever reason or gets too close to the villain.

And considering that there are so many story avenues that they're missing to tell this story, it's a waste of time. I see so many people coming out about the possibility of Marvel ending the marriage- but for me- this is far more important. Just as some believe that the marriage is integral to who Spidey is (Which I don't) I do feel that how Peter reacts to the given circumstances, and the expression of his abilities IS integral to the character.