Batman Begins vs. Superman The Movie ( 1978).

[Darthboy]

Which of these two DC comic adaptations do you like more? for me "Superman" cause it was the one that started it all and still is the greatest of all comic book movies.

[The Kid]

;) wow great place to have this poll.

[Kal-El 8]

Batman Begins !!!

[El Payaso]

Superman the movie of course.

[nite-owl]

Batman Begins.

[Eddie Dean]

Batman Begins

[TRUE]

begins

[Phaser]

Heh, they're both more or less the same in many regards so it doesn't really matter which one wins.

[bane]

BATMAN BEGINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!111one

[blind_fury]

:supes:

[Dcknight]

begins

[batmaluco]

;) wow great place to have this poll.
Totally unbiased posters. :batman:




























Batman Begins!

[Kroc1138]

Superman: The Movie
:supes:

[bdsproductions]

Batman Begins! it has replaced Superman:The Movie as the BEST comic book film ever! :batman:.

PS Superman:The Movie kicks serious ass thoguhe.

[Bathead]

They're both terrific in my mind, but Begins has the edge mainly because I've always been more of a Batman fan. Still, Superman will always be something special as it was the first movie to treat a comic-book superhero with respect.

[Two-Face]

They're both terrific in my mind, but Begins has the edge mainly because I've always been more of a Batman fan.

Me too.:up:

[El Payaso]

As usual the poll ends as popularity contest.

[spideyrunner]

Superman The Movie is best in history.

[El Payaso]

Totally unbiased posters. :batman:

You doubt about the level of seriousness?

[frodawgg]

i liked superman, but the ending was so stupid and corny...that right there puts BB on top.

[Qoèlet]

As usual the poll ends as popularity contest.
Well, when the question is "which do you like more" what the hell should it be? The poll is by definition a popularity contest.

[CConn]

BB, and not just because it's Batman or anything like that. I always found Superman - while very good, and extremely well made for its time - to be terribly outdated by today's standards. Otis, some of the more silly instances in the film, that damned "can you read my mind?" scene has always lessened by enjoyment of it to a pretty big extent. BB, however, is of comparable quality to STM, and obviously, is modern so it doesn't have any of the outdated concepts that STM has.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah, and it's pretty crazy b/c S:TM has held up pretty well for it's time. Visually, the film is still pretty solid. The acting still holds up great, and the story is great.

For me, Lex Luthor is the problem. Luthor seems more like a comedy relief character at times........and that's just not Luthor in my book. He should be scarier....a bit more demented. So, that's where STM kinda falls short against Batman Begins.

[zer00]

I voted both because these polls are becoming extremely pointless.

[blind_fury]

i liked superman, but the ending was so stupid and corny...that right there puts BB on top.
The ending to Superman was SYMBOLIC. When someone you love deeply dies you wish you could turn back time. When Pa Kent dies Clark says "all my powers and I couldn't save him" or something like that. That's how helpless every man feels when a loved one dies. It's a powerful and universal theme.

The ending is far more epic and meaningful than any other superhero movie since. :supes:

[CConn]

Yeah, and it's pretty crazy b/c S:TM has held up pretty well for it's time. Visually, the film is still pretty solid. The acting still holds up great, and the story is great.

For me, Lex Luthor is the problem. Luthor seems more like a comedy relief character at times........and that's just not Luthor in my book. He should be scarier....a bit more demented. So, that's where STM kinda falls short against Batman Begins.I also hate the fact that Otis (to me, at least) upstaged Luthor. It seemed like every scene involving the villains was more about Otis' comic relief than Luthor's, as you said, demented nature. If you actually took away the lackeys, the underground apartment building, and the hair, Hackman's Luthor isn't too bad, IMO.

[zer00]

I also hate the fact that Otis (to me, at least) upstaged Luthor. It seemed like every scene involving the villains was more about Otis' comic relief than Luthor's, as you said, demented nature. If you actually took away the lackeys, the underground apartment building, and the hair, Hackman's Luthor isn't too bad, IMO.

Oh defenitly. I mean really examine the dialogue there. And how Hackman acts when those lackeys aren't around. Pure Luthor. And get rid of the yellow collar.

[CConn]

I thought it made him look quite sharp. :(

[Spider - Man]

Stm.

[blind_fury]

Yeah, and it's pretty crazy b/c S:TM has held up pretty well for it's time. Visually, the film is still pretty solid. The acting still holds up great, and the story is great.

For me, Lex Luthor is the problem. Luthor seems more like a comedy relief character at times........and that's just not Luthor in my book. He should be scarier....a bit more demented. So, that's where STM kinda falls short against Batman Begins.
Luthor was evil enough to push a police officer in front of train, slowly. And when he shot a missle at each American coast it showed he was willing to kill millions for greed and power. The determination and desperation in Reeve's face when trying to stop both missles SOLD that scene, making Lois' death all the more tragic. How many superhero movies does the villian successfully kill the hero's love interest?

Ultimately there are two sides to the Superman movie. The Kal El side and the Clark Kent side. One is dark and serious the other is innocent and light hearted. :supes:

[CConn]

Luthor was evil enough to push a police officer in front of train, slowly. And when he shot a missle at each American coast it showed he was willing to kill millions for greed and power. The determination and desperation in Reeve's face when trying to stop both missles SOLD that scene, making Lois' death all the more tragic. How many superhero movies does the villian successfully kill the hero's love interest?Which is why I said Luthor's characterization was fine. It was everything that surrounded him that diluted his effectiveness as a truly frightening (as frightening as Lex Luthor can be, at least) villain.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I also hate the fact that Otis (to me, at least) upstaged Luthor. It seemed like every scene involving the villains was more about Otis' comic relief than Luthor's, as you said, demented nature. If you actually took away the lackeys, the underground apartment building, and the hair, Hackman's Luthor isn't too bad, IMO.

Yeah, that's true. I remember Luthor having some good lines, but then Otis ruining in by saying something stupid.

Oh defenitly. I mean really examine the dialogue there. And how Hackman acts when those lackeys aren't around. Pure Luthor. And get rid of the yellow collar.

Yeah. Did the wigs bother anyone else, though? I mean, it kinda bothered me at times.

Which is why I said Luthor's characterization was fine. It was everything that surrounded him that diluted his effectiveness as a truly frightening (as frightening as Lex Luthor can be, at least) villain.

I thought Lex was at his best with how cold he was towards his main squeeze. Her mom's about to die, and he could hardly give a ****. Gangsta, son. Otis sucked big time though.......

[CConn]

Yeah. Did the wigs bother anyone else, though?Majorly. :o
I thought Lex was at his best with how cold he was towards his main squeeze. Her mom's about to die, and he could hardly give a ****. Gangsta, son. Otis sucked big time though.......That's true. Ms. Treshmacher was a pretty solid character. It was Otis that camped messed things up.

[zer00]

The wigs are hella suckage. ****ing Hackman you genius:(


Otis sucks and rocks at the same time. It's odd:( Though Teshmacher was kind of a fine character that could have done better if Otis wasn't around

...Otis ****ed over two characters

yes Otisberg:(

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah, totally. I had no problem with Teshmacher.........I mean Lex never seemed get soft b/c of her, ie: he didn't give a **** about her mom dying, and she was pretty solid. Otis seemed to be like the retarderd little brother that crapped over every good moment. I wanted to beat the hell out of him. Why didn't Lex beat him to death with his 9 iron or something.....I dunno.....

[TheFalcon]

Batman Begins

[El Payaso]

I'll post this on the Superman section.

[Mee]

Begins. Superman was too long and campy. Although still pretty good.

[frodawgg]

The ending to Superman was SYMBOLIC. When someone you love deeply dies you wish you could turn back time. When Pa Kent dies Clark says "all my powers and I couldn't save him" or something like that. That's how helpless every man feels when a loved one dies. It's a powerful and universal theme.

The ending is far more epic and meaningful than any other superhero movie since. :supes:

i don't think it was symbolic...it seemed pretty literal. "let's reverse the earth's orbit, and therefore reverse time." things don't work that way. i know superhero movies are fantasy, but that is just going really overboard. i still think it's stupid (not the movie, the ending).

[The Kid]

Well I think a german guy named Einstein had this theory about time travel being possible. I don't know it, but anyway it leads me to think that it really is possible under certain conditions: You have to be a god. You have to be able to fly super duper fast. You have to be extremely pissed.

Now I'm not sure about what really happened, but I hypothesize that superman traveled back in time during his super-back to the future-flight around the globe. I don't think he took time and dragged it back a few minutes, but went fast around the world at 88mph and zipped back to save lois somehow.... :) That's just my theory though. Paradoxes be damned!

[batmaluco]

I'll post this on the Superman section.
It would be fair enough.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Spinning the world on it's axis in reverse.

Wtf.

[El Payaso]

Fighting crime better than a whole Police department and without guns because you have a nice bat costume.

wtf

[ChrisBaleBatman]

LOL.......they're not even equal......I mean, the guy might end up dead....or the universe might implode killing everyone on the planet.......hmmmmm........yeah, same thing. Lmfao.

[El Payaso]

In the wtf level, they're the same.

Superman making time go backwards - wtf
One man overwhelming the whole police dept with a bat disguise - wtf

Both fantasy liberties.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah......but your wtf'ing the entire premise of Batman.

I'm wtf'ong a scene from STM.

Quite different.

[El Payaso]

A guy from another distant planet that looks exactly like humans and who can fly with no propulsion system and thought it was cool to wear an acrobat tights with a cape to represent justice?

There you go.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah.....but the spinning of the world was kinda......well, campy. It kinda felt like a tease, ya know. We killed Lois.....but, it's okay....Superman can travel in time.

Btw, if he can do that....why doesn't he just do it all the time? I mean....

[El Payaso]

Yeah.....but the spinning of the world was kinda......well, campy. It kinda felt like a tease, ya know. We killed Lois.....but, it's okay....Superman can travel in time.

Btw, if he can do that....why doesn't he just do it all the time? I mean....

Jor-El forbids him. Watch the movie please.

[CConn]

Actually, originally it was meant for the release of Zod from the Phantom Zone to be a direct result of Superman's spinning the world, thusly showing that there's grave consequences for doing such a thing. Unfortunately, it obviously wasn't shot as originally written.

[COMPO]

If you'd said superman II then i would have picked that.

[Tar Baby]

super man the movie.

[frodawgg]

funny thing is, everyone is saying that superman actually travelled back in time, when actually he just reversed everything that had recently happened by reversing the earth's orbit, which is 10x cornier than going back in time

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Jor-El forbids him. Watch the movie please.

But Jor-El forbade it BEFORE he actually did it.

Way I see it.....if he can make sure nobody gets murdered again, why not do it again?


Actually, originally it was meant for the release of Zod from the Phantom Zone to be a direct result of Superman's spinning the world, thusly showing that there's grave consequences for doing such a thing. Unfortunately, it obviously wasn't shot as originally written.


Now that would have been awesome. Sort of like the trading of lives..........Lois > Millions of people. Consequences are always cool.


If you'd said superman II then i would have picked that.


I dunno, I think STM is better than II. Although, II was awesome....STM was just incredible.

funny thing is, everyone is saying that superman actually travelled back in time, when actually he just reversed everything that had recently happened by reversing the earth's orbit, which is 10x cornier than going back in time

Interesting......10x as cornier.

[El Payaso]

But Jor-El forbade it BEFORE he actually did it.


That's how happens. One forbid first, others disobey later.

Way I see it.....if he can make sure nobody gets murdered again, why not do it again?

Buddy, how is that no one can see he's Clark Kent with no glasses.

And she couldn't be a reporter since if he has the power to save human lives, he SHOULD be working as Superman 24/7 at least.

Philosophies aside, the movie is better than BB.

[Greenshirt]

Please, don't make me choose!

[CConn]

Please, don't make me choose!*gets hot poker and Leeza Gibbons*

[Binker]

Shouldn't the question be: Batman Begins vs. Superman Returns ?

Discussion of the two NEW movies?

[El Payaso]

Shouldn't the question be: Batman Begins vs. Superman Returns ?

Discussion of the two NEW movies?

Naturally.

[batmaluco]

Shouldn't the question be: Batman Begins vs. Superman Returns ?

Or Batman (1989) vs. Superman The Movie ( 1978).

[Milkman95]

Both great films - for me, it's BB just because I like the character of Batman better, even though STM is probably still the benchmark.

When Nolan's next Batman films comes out, I'm sure it will be better than Superman II though.......

[Two-Face]

Shouldn't the question be: Batman Begins vs. Superman Returns ?

Discussion of the two NEW movies?


That's true but SR hasn't been released yet.

[cryptic name]

As usual the poll ends as popularity contest.
that's what a poll is...

[El Payaso]

I meant about the characters. This poll is supposed to be about movie quality.

I am a Batman fan not a Superman fan, nevertheless Superman The Movie was better.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

That's how happens. One forbid first, others disobey later.


Of course, but once you cross the line....what's to stop you the next time? I just think the lack of consequence really just made the reverse globe thing something he could do all the time.


Buddy, how is that no one can see he's Clark Kent with no glasses.

And she couldn't be a reporter since if he has the power to save human lives, he SHOULD be working as Superman 24/7 at least.



Those are different things though. Those are things and aspects of the character. I'm just saying, he could probably stop millions of deaths......that's all.


Or Batman (1989) vs. Superman The Movie ( 1978).


No contest. Superman wins, hands down.

[El Payaso]

Of course, but once you cross the line....what's to stop you the next time? I just think the lack of consequence really just made the reverse globe thing something he could do all the time.

If you are average Joe, maybe. If you're Superman you have a strong moral fiber that will probably stop you the second time.

Those are different things though. Those are things and aspects of the character. I'm just saying, he could probably stop millions of deaths......that's all.

I'm sayting that if he would be Superman 24/7 he could probably stop millions of deaths......that's all.

No contest. Superman wins, hands down.

Big contest. Batman 89 contradicts the old classic Superman formula (that Begins follow step by step) - the villiain has more screentime, the hero's origin is told as a flashback at the end, the hero is black and misterious and the villiain is colorful and smiling, the hero is not actually a hero, the concepts of good and evil are complex and totally relative, etc etc - and still suceed big time as a cinematographic piece.

Begins limits to follow the same STM formula with the old black and white conceptions of good and evil.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

If you are average Joe, maybe. If you're Superman you have a strong moral fiber that will probably stop you the second time.


I dunno....the morals might actually make him more prone because he wants to save everyone everytime.


I'm sayting that if he would be Superman 24/7 he could probably stop millions of deaths......that's all.



He'd probably go insane.


Big contest. Batman 89 contradicts the old classic Superman formula (that Begins follow step by step) - the villiain has more screentime, the hero's origin is told as a flashback at the end, the hero is black and misterious and the villiain is colorful and smiling, the hero is not actually a hero, the concepts of good and evil are complex and totally relative, etc etc - and still suceed big time as a cinematographic piece.



Oh, no doubt. But, I think it's key to judge them according to the parameters of who they are. In the context of what Superman is, who he is and the comics...I think STM managed to do the comics justice AND was a great film. With Batman 89, it was a great film......but, for me, falls short of the character's parameters and the soucre material. It's not needed to judge them like that, but I think it's worth mentioning.

I do think that STM wins over it, atleast for me by much.


Begins limits to follow the same STM formula with the old black and white conceptions of good and evil.


I don't so. The huge battle within Bruce over what justice is, and the his journey from Bruce to the Batman.....it's not exactly as black and white as STM. However, your right.....it did go by the formula created by STM. Nolan defintely looked towards STM for inspiration, just adding to the testament of how impactful STM was and still is.

[Atomic Crusader]

Both films are "terrific", but, both films have a flaw, so they are equal. Superman has flying puppy love poetry, 'Begins has the Rachel Dawes/Tom Cruise character. If it weren't for that, they'd be "great."

[El Payaso]

I dunno....the morals might actually make him more prone because he wants to save everyone everytime.

Have you seen happening in any incarnation.

I mean, you love original source as a god, so I'd believe if it doesn't happen there doesn't happen anywhere.

I'd love to think what you say it's true though.

He'd probably go insane.

If he has to save lives and then be effectuive as a journalist too and then trying to get the girl at the same time. That would druive anyone crazier.

Specially considering that in the real worlsd he would go nuts thinking that when he sleeps or works, people are dying somwhere because he wasn't there.

Oh, no doubt. But, I think it's key to judge them according to the parameters of who they are. In the context of what Superman is, who he is and the comics...I think STM managed to do the comics justice AND was a great film. With Batman 89, it was a great film......but, for me, falls short of the character's parameters and the soucre material. It's not needed to judge them like that, but I think it's worth mentioning.

Have you seen any Dracula or Frankenstein movie? They all don't stick to the original source by far and oftenly changes the characters. And the good movies about those characters are far better than the books.

[Qoèlet]

I meant about the characters. This poll is supposed to be about movie quality.
No it's not. Try reading the first post: I've even gone to the trouble of quoting it here. The relevant part of the sentence is emphasized because you obviously missed it the first time.
Which of these two DC comic adaptations do you like more?
Now, I know in my heart of hearts that Seven Samurai is a classic film, and that it's objectively a far better film than Boondock Saints... but I can admit that and still prefer watching the second-rate flick. There is nothing in the question "which do you like more" that implies an objective assessment of quality.

[jrd550]

Here's another great thing about Batman Begins: let's take five other decent superhero flicks: Spider-man, the hulk, x-men, Daredevil and Superman. All possess cgi effect that look dated. For example, all the stuff with Peter Parker scalling the walls in his wrestling outfit looks really bad now. In x-men when wolverine and sabertooth are on the statue of liberty and wolverine claws one of the statues points off he looks reaally fake. Though I am one of the few that enjoyed the Hulk, there were plent of scenes where he just looks fake, and in Daredevil there are sooooo many bad effects scenes (his first encounter with Bullseye, in the church climbing up the pipes). Superman, though brilliant, does have some dated shots in it, but given when it was made you can't really argue with that - but in Begins there isn't one bad effects shot (mainly because cgi wasn't really used that much), everything, right down to the bats, looks perfectly, real making the movie more than just a movie... but a legend.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Batman Begins.

[The Kid]

Superman Begins

[The Kid]

Here's another great thing about Batman Begins: let's take five other decent superhero flicks: Spider-man, the hulk, x-men, Daredevil and Superman. All possess cgi effect that look dated. For example, all the stuff with Peter Parker scalling the walls in his wrestling outfit looks really bad now. In x-men when wolverine and sabertooth are on the statue of liberty and wolverine claws one of the statues points off he looks reaally fake. Though I am one of the few that enjoyed the Hulk, there were plent of scenes where he just looks fake, and in Daredevil there are sooooo many bad effects scenes (his first encounter with Bullseye, in the church climbing up the pipes). Superman, though brilliant, does have some dated shots in it, but given when it was made you can't really argue with that - but in Begins there isn't one bad effects shot (mainly because cgi wasn't really used that much), everything, right down to the bats, looks perfectly, real making the movie more than just a movie... but a legend.

Not much bad cgi because they never really used much cgi.... Thats... true....:( Though I'd argue the train kinda looked fake at points but my memory may be faulting me. (I don't have the dvd to watch it and see now)

I will say that even though those movies you mentioned have some bad shots here and there, at least I could see them clearly.

haha!! zing!

Hold the camera still next time. lol.

[Two-Face]

The train looked fake? how?

[The Kid]

That's just what my memory's telling me, that it looked a bit cgi during one of the establishing shots in gotham, but I might be wrong. meh

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I think it was actually a real train......although, they did have a mini-train...so....

[Whack Arnolds]

Batman Begins.


Superman '78 is corny. At no point does it even take itself seriously. It's all tongue in cheek. From the opening credits, with the comic book opening. Batman Begins treats it as if you are actually in the world. Birthright is a better origin story than Superman '78. It takes a light superhero, but treats him completely seriously.

[iceberg325]

I think Batman begins is the better movie. Not saying that superman was a bad movie. When I first saw the trailer for Batman Begins, I thought it was going to be garbage. I was shocked at how good it was. Everything about the movie was on point IMO. I especially liked how they explain how Bruce created the batcave, all his weapons the suit etc... Super man was good. For its time, there was nothing like it. Its still a great movie and can hold its own against many comic book movie adaptations. I liked the movie in its whole until superman decided to fly around earth to turn back time to save Lois. I thought that was a bit cheesy lol. Overall, great movie though. I have to say Batman is the better movie. It has set a standard for comic book movies.

[captain_jimbo]

The ending to Superman was SYMBOLIC. When someone you love deeply dies you wish you could turn back time. When Pa Kent dies Clark says "all my powers and I couldn't save him" or something like that. That's how helpless every man feels when a loved one dies. It's a powerful and universal theme.

The ending is far more epic and meaningful than any other superhero movie since. :supes:

Well said. I voted for Superman: The Movie and to be honest, I'm amazed Batman Begins is winning this vote, especially by so much.

Begins is good, but in thirty years time it won't be remembered as fondly as Superman.:supes:

[El Payaso]

Well said. I voted for Superman: The Movie and to be honest, I'm amazed Batman Begins is winning this vote, especially by so much.

why? It's a Batman board.

This same question in a Superman board would be the exact opposite.

Even so, as a Batman fan, Superman TM was way a better movie.

[The Kid]

Batman Begins.


Superman '78 is corny. At no point does it even take itself seriously. It's all tongue in cheek. From the opening credits, with the comic book opening. Batman Begins treats it as if you are actually in the world. Birthright is a better origin story than Superman '78. It takes a light superhero, but treats him completely seriously.

now come on.

[pspring5]

cut this out how can judge these two movies. superman '78 keyword 78 guys. why not wait a month and compare returns with begins. totally ridiculous unfair. why not compare george reeves superman with batman begins

[Whack Arnolds]

now come on.It is. That's my opinion. Superman II is just as corny.

[mjbull23]

Superman, The Movie - greatest superhero movie of all time. These two movies are so hard to compare to one another, it's been nearly thirty years between the releases of these movies, and thats why when you evaluate and contrast them, you really have to do it in a vacuum.

BB has an inherent advantage by virtue of being more recent, thus more relevant. STM wasnt a perfect comic book movie by any means, even Donner has stated that there are many scenes he would reshoot differently if the movie were released in this day and age, but it was the most resonant superhero flick i have ever seen. That movie impacted millions of people when it came out.

[The Kid]

It is. That's my opinion. Superman II is just as corny.

lol ok.

[XCharlieX]

Personally i prefer Begins, but superman 1 is a victory for the comic booky style definitely. I found it was comedic and had the most story of any superman film since.

[iceberg325]

cut this out how can judge these two movies. superman '78 keyword 78 guys. why not wait a month and compare returns with begins. totally ridiculous unfair. why not compare george reeves superman with batman begins

I think they can be compared because for a while the superman movie was being regarded as one of the best, if not the best super hero movie ever. When Batman Begins came out, alot of people would say that it was the best. I think its fair to argue which is better.

[CConn]

He sorta has a point in the sense of how dated STM has become. I mean, if STM was made today, it could very well blow BB out of the water. To me, at least.

[zer00]

He sorta has a point in the sense of how dated STM has become. I mean, if STM was made today, it could very well blow BB out of the water. To me, at least.

Yeah but he's a gangsta

[El Payaso]

Let's see BB in 20 more years.

[CConn]

BB will age like fine wine.

Or B89.

[El Payaso]

Same thought people back in 78 when they saw this all new way of making a superhero movie.

[CConn]

Yes. But they were highly uneducated then.

VHS...jesus.

[darknight7]

Christopher Reeve still to this day has pulled off the best portrayel of a comic book character...

SUPERMAN!

--dk7

[Whack Arnolds]

I disagree. He's overrated. Good, but overrated. George Reeves was just as good of a Superman.

[Calendar Man]

Batman Begins. My reasons: Reeve is overrated, Superman 2 was better then 1 anyway and plus I'm a hardcore Batman fan in general (huge Superman fan too but Bats is number 1 for me).

[Calendar Man]

I disagree. He's overrated. Good, but overrated. George Reeves was just as good of a Superman.

Not just as good. More like far better.

[darknight7]

Personally I don't know where you guys get off saying he is overrated. I understand that everyone has their own opinion, I am personally a bigger Batman fan myself, I just feel that Christopher Reeve pulled off the part amazingly well in everyway possible.

--dk7

[zer00]

I disagree. He's overrated. Good, but overrated. George Reeves was just as good of a Superman.

hahahaha

jesus.

he's not overrated. you don't like it.

it's like POTC or titanic. people say Pirates Of The Caribbean is overrated. No it's not. You just don't like it. Why? because it's widely loved by a **** load more people than who dislike it. Titanic on the other hand. Is the opposite. It is actually overrated. So Reeve is not overrated. Niether is Superman: The Movie

[darknight7]

Batman Begins was a better movie, with a better written story and a much better thought out plot. But Superman 1 is just sooooo classic, that it rules. Old school movies have a classic feel to them that new movies can't seem to grasp. Begins was good, but I just have to give it to S78, lol. It rules.

--dk7

[darknight7]

hahahaha

jesus.

he's not overrated. you don't like it.

it's like POTC or titanic. people say Pirates Of The Caribbean is overrated. No it's not. You just don't like it. Why? because it's widely loved by a **** load more people than who dislike it. Titanic on the other hand. Is the opposite. It is actually overrated. So Reeve is not overrated. Niether is Superman: The Movie

Very well said, that is what I wanted to say, I just couldn't find the words to explain myself.

--dk7

[CConn]

I think the whole tragedy surrounding him, and the simple fact that he played such a...inspirational character such as Superman endeared Reeve especially in the public consciousness.

Personally, I think Bale, Reeve, and Jackman are all up pretty close to the top.

Oh, and Weaving owned.

[zer00]

Jane mother ****er

[darknight7]

In my opinion, Christian Bale is overrated. Why? Because as good as he was, he still had flaws that were so noticable that it sticks out and bites you in the ass. I think he was a kickass Batman, and he is a great actor. But personally, I think he was a better Bruce Wayne than he was Batman. That is just my opinion, and it isn't because I am trying to pi55 anyone off, or because I don't like Bale, because I do very much think he was great, I just see people giving him way more credit and looking passed his flaws just so that they can say that he was "perfect".

-dk7

[CConn]

Jane mother ****erAnd Rourke.

Oh, I love them all. :(

[zer00]

In my opinion, Christian Bale is overrated. Why? Because as good as he was, he still had flaws that were so noticable that it sticks out and bites you in the ass. I think he was a kickass Batman, and he is a great actor. But personally, I think he was a better Bruce Wayne than he was Batman. That is just my opinion, and it isn't because I am trying to pi55 anyone off, or because I don't like Bale, because I do very much think he was great, I just see people giving him way more credit and looking passed his flaws just so that they can say that he was "perfect".



did...you just...agree with my post...then make a post that contradicts you agreeing with my point?

[darknight7]

LET ME MAKE IT DISGUSTINGLY CLEAR! SO THAT I DON'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO PEOPLE WHINE FOR 100,000 PAGES...I LIKE CHRISTIAN BALE. IMO, I agree with Cconn, REEVE, JACKMAN and BALE played their roles great. It just gets to me when you try to state a flaw about a character, and a person totally disregards it.

--dk7

[zer00]

And Rourke.

Oh, I love them all. :(

Stewart. oh! oh! Baldwin.

[CConn]

Baldwin?

You whore.

[zer00]

Baldwin?

You whore.

Oh **** you. I could have said Bill Cambell

[darknight7]

did...you just...agree with my post...then make a post that contradicts you agreeing with my point?

Well the thing is, Christopher Reeve looked the part, and played the part very well. And what I am trying to say about Bale, is that, when he spoke, he obviously has a speech impediment (se), (which throws off the character and almost makes you realize that it is an actor) and whenever I bring that point up, people always argue it, that is all I ment by that point. Is that, if you don't like an actor, give a reason why, don't just say he is overrated, that means nothing at all. But if an actor has flaws, than accept that, and don't argue it.

(don't mind me, it is late, I am tired, and I have been working on ISU's all night)

--dk7

[CConn]

Oh **** you. I could have said Bill CambellYou could have said Neeson too, you ungrateful ass. :(

[zer00]

You could have said Neeson too, you ungrateful ass. :(

I didn't know we were working the villians:down :mad:

[zer00]

Well the thing is, Christopher Reeve looked the part, and played the part very well. And what I am trying to say about Bale, is that, when he spoke, he obviously has a speech impediment (se), (which throws off the character and almost makes you realize that it is an actor) and whenever I bring that point up, people always argue it, that is all I ment by that point. Is that, if you don't like an actor, give a reason why, don't just say he is overrated, that means nothing at all. But if an actor has flaws, than accept that, and don't argue it.

(don't mind me, it is late, I am tired, and I have been working on ISU's all night)

--dk7

you contradicted by saying Bale is overrated.

[darknight7]

hmmm...faves (in no particulaar order):

Reeve
Bale (The mean, scary, roaring DK)
Jackman
Stewart
Clooney (haha fooled ya)
Nicholson
Pfiefer
Keaton (for the DK that he played, he pulled it off nicely, the dark, quiet and mysterious)
I must say I like Jane in the Punisher
Definately Neeson as well


--dk7

[CConn]

I didn't know we were working the villians:down :mad:Darkman, dude. Darkman.

No, I don't care if it wasn't a comic first.

[zer00]

Darkman, dude. Darkman.

No, I don't care if it wasn't a comic first.

Oh you want to play it like that? Weller

[darknight7]

you contradicted by saying Bale is overrated.:


But I am trying to give a reason why: ...People say he is perfect, when he is actually close to perfect. He is a great actor, who is 6'2 and jacked. But he has a lisp as Batman (almost), so I am saying that is why I think he is overrated, because he is infact NOT perfect.

As for the Reeve comment, there was no reason given, all that was said was he is overrated...but why?

An actor can be overrated, but there has to be reasoning behind it.

Just like an essay:
point
proof

--dk7

[zer00]

:


But I am trying to give a reason why: ...People say he is perfect, when he is actually close to perfect. He is a great actor, who is 6'2 and jacked. But he has a lisp as Batman (almost), so I am saying that is why I think he is overrated, because he is infact NOT perfect.

As for the Reeve comment, there was no reason given, all that was said was he is overrated...but why?

An actor can be overrated, but there has to be reasoning behind it.

Just like an essay:
point
proof

--dk7


You apparently missed my point. or pissed on it.

Regardless of giving points of Reeve, or Bale being overrated. It's simply untrue unless a mass majority says that and is bigger than the majority that says he isn't. The majority is that Bale is as perfect as possible(no actor is perfect not even Reeve, it's a cosmic impossibility) and Reeve is the same. So he isn't overrated. you personally think he's imperfect

[darknight7]

Ahhh, I understand what you mean. Well than overrated wasn't the word I was looking for, I guess I just think he is given more credit than he deserves (just my opinion).

All I was trying to say was that if Reeve is overrated (according to that other dude) than why? That's all.

But I totally know what you mean, and I agree that it is just personal taste.

--dk7

[zer00]

ya dig

[darknight7]

ya dig

Gotcha:up:

...party down?:)

--dk7

[zer00]

no. I have to fo to work

I don't have a job btw

[darknight7]

I have to get up for school in 4 hours:(

--dk7

[darknight7]

Well, time to jump to another thread, than BEEEEEEEEDDD!!! lol

Peace guys, goodnight

--dk7

[iceberg325]

Ahhh, I understand what you mean. Well than overrated wasn't the word I was looking for, I guess I just think he is given more credit than he deserves (just my opinion).

All I was trying to say was that if Reeve is overrated (according to that other dude) than why? That's all.

But I totally know what you mean, and I agree that it is just personal taste.

--dk7

Bale gets the credit he does because he redefined Batman. Lets go down the list of former batmans and there respective movies/show.

Adam West: For its time the show was entertaining. West played Batman OK, but it was too comical for me.

Keaton: The first Batman movie was a classic. Batman Returns wasnt as good, but it was good. Keatin did an excellent job on him.

Kilmer: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz thats all I have to say about that.

Clooney: That movie is so forgetable. Clooney was horrible.

Bale: Batman Begins IMO is the best comic movie of all time. Nolan really depicted Batman as "the dark knight". Bale played Bruce and Batman perfectly. I couldnt have asked for it to be any different.

Its not Bales fault he talks with a lisp. You cant discredit his performance for that. Batman Begins took the series to a whole new level. CLASSIC!!!

[Whack Arnolds]

hahahaha

jesus.

he's not overrated. you don't like it.

it's like POTC or titanic. people say Pirates Of The Caribbean is overrated. No it's not. You just don't like it. Why? because it's widely loved by a **** load more people than who dislike it. Titanic on the other hand. Is the opposite. It is actually overrated. So Reeve is not overrated. Niether is Superman: The Moviehaha, Why don't we take your own idea on this subject and apply it to "Titanic".

And Titanic is overrated, because?....



You don't like it? Riiight, exactly. Who says I don't like Chris Reeve?

There is nothing that seperates him from a George Reeves as far as potrayl goes. THAT's why I find him overrated. And as for S:TM, it's decent, but I could make it sounds ridiculous by breaking down all the idotic things that happen in the film. I mean, the ending as a whole just makes the entire movie ****ing SUCK. It negates everything done in the movie. He could have just kept flying around the world, turning back time...and then actually save his father. There are many instances where it is just a mess. I respect the fact that others like it, but that doesn't mean that I can't consider it overrated. It all boils down to opinion anyway. You do realize this, correct? There is no gauge to tell whether something is overrated or not. So it boils down to personal preference, and opinion. So, esentially no one is correct on the subject matter.

[iceberg325]

haha, Why don't we take your own idea on this subject and apply it to "Titanic".

And Titanic is overrated, because?....



You don't like it? Riiight, exactly. Who says I don't like Chris Reeve?

There is nothing that seperates him from a George Reeves as far as potrayl goes. THAT's why I find him overrated. And as for S:TM, it's decent, but I could make it sounds ridiculous by breaking down all the idotic things that happen in the film. I mean, the ending as a whole just makes the entire movie ****ing SUCK. It negates everything done in the movie. He could have just kept flying around the world, turning back time...and then actually save his father. There are many instances where it is just a mess. I respect the fact that others like it, but that doesn't mean that I can't consider it overrated. It all boils down to opinion anyway. You do realize this, correct? There is no gauge to tell whether something is overrated or not. So it boils down to personal preference, and opinion. So, esentially no one is correct on the subject matter.

The spinning around the world part was horrible along with the scene where he flys down to the san andreas fault line and lifts it back up and it magically retores itself to its original state. That was so cheesy lol.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Ya know.....I think every comic film has those moments.

For what it's worth, it's getting less and less occurance.

Still.....I can never get over that damn plastic S shield Superman tossed in Superman II......I mean, talk about a mega WTF moment.....

[zer00]

haha, Why don't we take your own idea on this subject and apply it to "Titanic".

And Titanic is overrated, because?....



You don't like it? Riiight, exactly. Who says I don't like Chris Reeve?

There is nothing that seperates him from a George Reeves as far as potrayl goes. THAT's why I find him overrated. And as for S:TM, it's decent, but I could make it sounds ridiculous by breaking down all the idotic things that happen in the film. I mean, the ending as a whole just makes the entire movie ****ing SUCK. It negates everything done in the movie. He could have just kept flying around the world, turning back time...and then actually save his father. There are many instances where it is just a mess. I respect the fact that others like it, but that doesn't mean that I can't consider it overrated. It all boils down to opinion anyway. You do realize this, correct? There is no gauge to tell whether something is overrated or not. So it boils down to personal preference, and opinion. So, esentially no one is correct on the subject matter.


wow...you...missing a point and not paying attention

never

happens

[fceeviper]

Batman Begins.

[Batty for Bats!]

I voted for both :eek::):up:

[darknight7]

Bale gets the credit he does because he redefined Batman. Lets go down the list of former batmans and there respective movies/show.

Adam West: For its time the show was entertaining. West played Batman OK, but it was too comical for me.

Keaton: The first Batman movie was a classic. Batman Returns wasnt as good, but it was good. Keatin did an excellent job on him.

Kilmer: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz thats all I have to say about that.

Clooney: That movie is so forgetable. Clooney was horrible.

Bale: Batman Begins IMO is the best comic movie of all time. Nolan really depicted Batman as "the dark knight". Bale played Bruce and Batman perfectly. I couldnt have asked for it to be any different.

Its not Bales fault he talks with a lisp. You cant discredit his performance for that. Batman Begins took the series to a whole new level. CLASSIC!!!

I totally think he did a great job, no doubt there. I am not saying it made his performance bad. I am just saying, that in some parts of the movie, it throws you off. Because it just slips up, you know, and catches you off guard. And the only reason I brought that up, is because it was really annoying to listen to a lot of people who just say Bale was amazing with no arguement, and when you try to make a point they just disregard it. It hasn't happened in this thread, but it has happened to me so much. Don't get me wrong, I think he did a great job, I just hate when people can't accept the fact that there are flaws you know.

--dk7

[iceberg325]

I totally think he did a great job, no doubt there. I am not saying it made his performance bad. I am just saying, that in some parts of the movie, it throws you off. Because it just slips up, you know, and catches you off guard. And the only reason I brought that up, is because it was really annoying to listen to a lot of people who just say Bale was amazing with no arguement, and when you try to make a point they just disregard it. It hasn't happened in this thread, but it has happened to me so much. Don't get me wrong, I think he did a great job, I just hate when people can't accept the fact that there are flaws you know.

--dk7

I think no actor is perfect. There will always be flaws. As far as talent goes, Bale did a better job than any other Batman. That is why he is probably held in such high regards.

I happened to watch the movie last night, and it just solidified my opinion of the best comic book movie so far.

[darknight7]

Ya, I totally agree with all the comments about Superman The Movie being cheesie. But technically you can't blame them. First off it is Superman (The American Boy Scout), and it was 1978. Things like him reversing the world and stuff always bothered me, until I learned to just respect it for being one those good ol' cheesey classic scenes in a movie. Also, because my English teacher explained to me something that actually made the whole Superman going back in time make sense.

He explained the whole theory about how Einstein said you can alter time, if you can move at the speed of light. (So if you consider Superman going at the speed of light at that part, than you can maybe bring yourself to beleive that it is not cheesey)

I can't help but love that scene, I love seeing Superman snap:)

--dk7

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Okay.....just for arguments sake......what would be the flaw of Christopher Reeve as Superman?

[iceberg325]

Ya, I totally agree with all the comments about Superman The Movie being cheesie. But technically you can't blame them. First off it is Superman (The American Boy Scout), and it was 1978. Things like him reversing the world and stuff always bothered me, until I learned to just respect it for being one those good ol' cheesey classic scenes in a movie. Also, because my English teacher explained to me something that actually made the whole Superman going back in time make sense.

He explained the whole theory about how Einstein said you can alter time, if you can move at the speed of light. (So if you consider Superman going at the speed of light at that part, than you can maybe bring yourself to beleive that it is not cheesey)

I can't help but love that scene, I love seeing Superman snap:)


--dk7

He could have just turned back time and stop Luther from changing the coordinates of the missles. It would have saved him some trouble lol.

[Image]

I prefer Batman Begins.

Bale gets the credit he does because he redefined Batman. Lets go down the list of former batmans and there respective movies/show.

Adam West: For its time the show was entertaining. West played Batman OK, but it was too comical for me.

Keaton: The first Batman movie was a classic. Batman Returns wasnt as good, but it was good. Keatin did an excellent job on him.

Kilmer: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz thats all I have to say about that.

Clooney: That movie is so forgetable. Clooney was horrible.

Bale: Batman Begins IMO is the best comic movie of all time. Nolan really depicted Batman as "the dark knight". Bale played Bruce and Batman perfectly. I couldnt have asked for it to be any different.

Its not Bales fault he talks with a lisp. You cant discredit his performance for that. Batman Begins took the series to a whole new level. CLASSIC!!!

I agree, but I think Kilmer did and ok job, but Keaton and Bale are Batman.

[darknight7]

I think no actor is perfect. There will always be flaws. As far as talent goes, Bale did a better job than any other Batman. That is why he is probably held in such high regards.

I happened to watch the movie last night, and it just solidified my opinion of the best comic book movie so far.


It is really well done. The story and everything was just so well done. And as for Bale, I think he is great, but I cannot say he is the best Batman, because I respect Keaton A LOT. Such a little man, who was not really intimidating, and he pulled it off so well, and looked crazy in the mask. Keaton is a great actor as well, and I can't compare B89 with BB, because they are very different. The times changed, technology changed, the played 2 totally different Batmans. ONE: The quiet, intense, mysterious Batman...and...TWO: The hot headed, more in your face scary Batman. I know Bale was really stealth. But in the next movie I would love to see him a bit more evolved into Batman, being his same self, just a bit more subtle.

So ya I agree, no actor is perfect, and a lot of the time it is opinion. So IMO, Bale and Keaton are the best Batman's to this day. (A lot of people don't like how Keaton played Batman, but really, it was a Burton film, he altered a lot of stuff.) I think Bale and Keaton were both pretty solid, and both intense:up:

As for Routh, I am still waiting to see if he compares to Reeve. Because Reeve, for me, IS SUPERMAN.

*IMO*

--dk7

[darknight7]

Okay.....just for arguments sake......what would be the flaw of Christopher Reeve as Superman?

IMO, I can't think of any, but I am not saying he has none, I just don't see any. Because I think he was awesome.

--dk7

[darknight7]

He could have just turned back time and stop Luther from changing the coordinates of the missles. It would have saved him some trouble lol.


But than that would have left out the cheesey scene for Supes to lift up the fault line ...lol:)

--dk7

[iceberg325]

It is really well done. The story and everything was just so well done. And as for Bale, I think he is great, but I cannot say he is the best Batman, because I respect Keaton A LOT. Such a little man, who was not really intimidating, and he pulled it off so well, and looked crazy in the mask. Keaton is a great actor as well, and I can't compare B89 with BB, because they are very different. The times changed, technology changed, the played 2 totally different Batmans. ONE: The quiet, intense, mysterious Batman...and...TWO: The hot headed, more in your face scary Batman. I know Bale was really stealth. But in the next movie I would love to see him a bit more evolved into Batman, being his same self, just a bit more subtle.

So ya I agree, no actor is perfect, and a lot of the time it is opinion. So IMO, Bale and Keaton are the best Batman's to this day. (A lot of people don't like how Keaton played Batman, but really, it was a Burton film, he altered a lot of stuff.) I think Bale and Keaton were both pretty solid, and both intense:up:

As for Routh, I am still waiting to see if he compares to Reeve. Because Reeve, for me, IS SUPERMAN.

*IMO*

--dk7

Keaton was great as Batman. I think if he was chosen to play it again for BB, he would have done a great job also.

I prefer the more stealthy Batman. It really scares the villians. I love that.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well.....I see Bale as being to Batman, what Reeve was to Superman.

Keaton again in BB? I don't think it would have worked....

[darknight7]

Bale and Keaton are just too different to compare. But than again, Keaton's Batman was more, settled in. It seemed as if he was Batman for many years already (although B89 is his first appearance sort of, because no one knows about him.)

The point is, they are way too different, but both amazing.

Keaton:
- Was always in the dark, his face dark, his eyes black.
- He said as little as possible, turned away from Vale when talking to her in the Batcave
- He was calm, and sure of what he was doing (the Batmobile chase, very quiet and almost sort of cocky)

Bale :
- In your face Batman, pretty much could see his full face everytime. He was very rarely "in the dark".
- Takes out 2 guys, and waits for Rachel to turn around so that he can talk to her (once again, face revealed in the light)
- Driving scene, very new at what he does, Unsure and risk taking.

So as you can see, they are almost oposite. This is why I think the sequals will be EVEN BETTER than Begins was. Because #1: they plan on making this next movie DARKER (from what I hear) and #2: Bale may play the more confident Batman since it is not his first time out.

--dk7

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well.....that's something I loved about Batman Begins.

**** happens.....Batman is not a super powered hero.....and part of what makes him so connected to us, is that he can be hurt.....he's human, ya know? He did get carried away in the chase....but he's a rookie.

[iceberg325]

Well.....that's something I loved about Batman Begins.

**** happens.....Batman is not a super powered hero.....and part of what makes him so connected to us, is that he can be hurt.....he's human, ya know? He did get carried away in the chase....but he's a rookie.

Yeah he'll be more seasoned in BB2 lol.

[darknight7]

Well.....that's something I loved about Batman Begins.

**** happens.....Batman is not a super powered hero.....and part of what makes him so connected to us, is that he can be hurt.....he's human, ya know? He did get carried away in the chase....but he's a rookie.


Oh ya, for sure. Don't get the wrong idea:)I think it is cool that we got to see the rookie. All I am trying to say is, between Keaton and Bale, it is tough, because they played such different Batman's. Both of which were great, but in their own ways. It will be easier to compare Bale to Keaton once he plays the more matured Batman (if he does).

--dk7

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Oh no doubt, Keaton's got a special place in my heart. The man did things for the character that fans will forever be thankful for. Burton too.

If your a Batman comic fan, you'll get this analogy.

I see Burton/Keaton's BATMAN as the DARK KNIGHT RETURNS of the Batman films. Not exactly in terms of story, or anything like that. (frankly, I think it's more like THE KILLING JOKE, with focus of the Joker. But, THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS sort of gave a kick in pants to Batman.....showed him at one of his most extremes....totally dark, gritty, and maybe even over the top. It hit people over the head with a very blunt "Batman's not supposed to be funny" hit....which I feel BATMAN was.

Batman Begins is probably more like a Denny O'neil......or Jeph Loeb Batman. Th Long Halloween, in terms of tone and direction. This is more like the Batman of comics.

[Lots o lafs]

:up: :supes: :batman: chris reed and chris bale r da bomb there both awesome because begins gave it a feel that it might cood hapin and superman stared it all which makes it old skool wich rocks

[Lots o lafs]

sorry i was in a hurry

[Whack Arnolds]

Ya know.....I think every comic film has those moments.

For what it's worth, it's getting less and less occurance.

Still.....I can never get over that damn plastic S shield Superman tossed in Superman II......I mean, talk about a mega WTF moment.....There was a bunch of those in those movies. How about where Clark gets the red sun rays, and looses his powers, and magically his superman suit dissappears and turns into a white collared shirt, with khaki pants??? WTF? Yeah, he lost his powers...but how does his clothes magically change? Or how about him hitchhiking, to antartica???? to go get his powers back, which I still don't know how he got them back.. his mother said the process was irreversible. How about Lex Luthor, his female companion, and otis stealing 2 nuclear missles ALL BY THEMSELVES. Talk about completely retarded. :(

[CGHulk]

There was a bunch of those in those movies. How about where Clark gets the red sun rays, and looses his powers, and magically his superman suit dissappears and turns into a white collared shirt, with khaki pants??? WTF? Yeah, he lost his powers...but how does his clothes magically change? Or how about him hitchhiking, to antartica???? to go get his powers back, which I still don't know how he got them back.. his mother said the process was irreversible. How about Lex Luthor, his female companion, and otis stealing 2 nuclear missles ALL BY THEMSELVES. Talk about completely retarded. :(
I'm hoping in the Donner Cut of Superman 2 all of this will be remedied!

[Jlandsw]

Superman the Movie!!!! HANDS DOWN! :supes:

[JTStarkiller]

Batman Begins. Best movie ever made.

[Ronny Shade]

Superman: The Movie was good for its time, But Batman Begins is a way better movie overall.

[Jlandsw]

Wait till Superman Returns, this movie will blow Batman Begins right outta the ****in water!! :supes::supes::supes:

[Ox Elf]

I vote Batman Begins. I like it more.

[iceberg325]

Wait till Superman Returns, this movie will blow Batman Begins right outta the ****in water!! :supes::supes::supes:

I highly doubt that!!!!!! Itll be a long while until a comic movie comes along and beats BB. I dont even think BB2 2 will top BB.

[Jlandsw]

I highly doubt that!!!!!! Itll be a long while until a comic movie comes along and beats BB. I dont even think BB2 2 will top BB.

Funny, considering that Spider-Man 2 beat it out in critic reviews on rotten tomatoes, fan reviews, and box office gross.

[iceberg325]

Funny, considering that Spider-Man 2 beat it out in critic reviews on rotten tomatoes, fan reviews, and box office gross.

True point taken. I guess I was referring it to being the best comic movie because now a days when asked whats the best comic movie, I hear alot of people mentioning BB. IMO its the best comic movie. I take nothing from spidey I love that movie also.

[Jlandsw]

And Superman Returns already has an Unofficial 100% on Rotten Tomatoes!! Click here (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/superman_returns/?show=all)

Look out Batman.:supes: :supes: :supes: :supes: :supes: :supes:

[CConn]

Funny, considering that Spider-Man 2 beat it out in critic reviews on rotten tomatoes, fan reviews, and box office gross.Fan reviews it didn't. If you look on any of the major rating/review sites, BB has the edge in them.
And Superman Returns already has an Unofficial 100% on Rotten Tomatoes!! Click here (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/superman_returns/?show=all)

Look out Batman.:supes: :supes: :supes: :supes: :supes: :supes:They're unofficial for a reason, y'know. Not that I doubt SR will be fantastic, but counting chickens before they hatch is a fool's game, IMO.

[iceberg325]

And Superman Returns already has an Unofficial 100% on Rotten Tomatoes!! Click here (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/superman_returns/?show=all)

Look out Batman.:supes: :supes: :supes: :supes: :supes: :supes:

When is the movie premier? I really hope its good.

[Bat Attack]

Both.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

There was a bunch of those in those movies. How about where Clark gets the red sun rays, and looses his powers, and magically his superman suit dissappears and turns into a white collared shirt, with khaki pants??? WTF? Yeah, he lost his powers...but how does his clothes magically change? Or how about him hitchhiking, to antartica???? to go get his powers back, which I still don't know how he got them back.. his mother said the process was irreversible. How about Lex Luthor, his female companion, and otis stealing 2 nuclear missles ALL BY THEMSELVES. Talk about completely retarded. :(


Hmmmm.......interesting points.

Wait till Superman Returns, this movie will blow Batman Begins right outta the ****in water!!

Wait til June 27th to cash that check buddy boy.

[iceberg325]

There was a bunch of those in those movies. How about where Clark gets the red sun rays, and looses his powers, and magically his superman suit dissappears and turns into a white collared shirt, with khaki pants??? WTF? Yeah, he lost his powers...but how does his clothes magically change? Or how about him hitchhiking, to antartica???? to go get his powers back, which I still don't know how he got them back.. his mother said the process was irreversible. How about Lex Luthor, his female companion, and otis stealing 2 nuclear missles ALL BY THEMSELVES. Talk about completely retarded. :(

You know I was watching supes the other day, and I thought the same thing to myself. How the heck did otid and that chick just get those rockets all alone? HMMMMM!!! There were alot of cheesy scenes in superman. How about the san andreas fault line scene, and how about spinning the world around to save Lois? And how the hell did he get back to antartica? HMMMMMMMMMM!!!!

[mcflytrap]

Actually, originally it was meant for the release of Zod from the Phantom Zone to be a direct result of Superman's spinning the world, thusly showing that there's grave consequences for doing such a thing. Unfortunately, it obviously wasn't shot as originally written.

I was pretty sure that the original script called for one of Luthor's missiles that Supes pushed into space to free the SuperVillains.

[mcflytrap]

You apparently missed my point. or pissed on it.

Regardless of giving points of Reeve, or Bale being overrated. It's simply untrue unless a mass majority says that and is bigger than the majority that says he isn't. The majority is that Bale is as perfect as possible(no actor is perfect not even Reeve, it's a cosmic impossibility) and Reeve is the same. So he isn't overrated. you personally think he's imperfect

That's stupid.

Overrated means that the majority of people think something is great when in fact you do not.

I wouldn't say someone like Ben Affleck is overrated because most critics and movie fans agree that he's not a good actor....even though he continually (and surprisingly) gets roles.

He's allowed to say Bale is overrated because it is true that Bale is liked by the majority of people (at least on this board) and he doesn't see it that way.

THAT'S what overrated means. It's all relative.

I personally think Bale is the 2nd coming (along with Bettany)...but that's just me.

[mcflytrap]

And how the hell did he get back to antartica? HMMMMMMMMMM!!!!

I have to wonder if you were really watching Supes the other day because he never went to Antarctica.

[mcflytrap]

Funny, considering that Spider-Man 2 beat it out in critic reviews on rotten tomatoes, fan reviews, and box office gross.

:rolleyes:

What the hell does that have to do with someone thinking BB is better than SM2?

[Jlandsw]

I just saw Batman Begins. It was ****ING HORRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How the hell can you say this movie was better than Superman??? The fight scenes are filmed horribly, way too close!!! And the way batman was yelling at that fat guy in the middle of the movie, I was laughing so hard. WTF was that???

[Jlandsw]

:rolleyes:

What the hell does that have to do with someone thinking BB is better than SM2?

Ummm, actually its vice versa. I thought SM2 is better than BB. And now I don't think it, I know it. I just saw BB and it was absolutely horrible. And the only reason BB has more votes is because it's in the Batman forums!!!!

[iceberg325]

The ending to Superman was SYMBOLIC. When someone you love deeply dies you wish you could turn back time. When Pa Kent dies Clark says "all my powers and I couldn't save him" or something like that. That's how helpless every man feels when a loved one dies. It's a powerful and universal theme.

The ending is far more epic and meaningful than any other superhero movie since. :supes:

You see I get the point but the fact that he flew around the earth and reversed time was little out there for me.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well, it was alot to handle....I think.

[Ronny Shade]

I just saw Batman Begins. It was ****ING HORRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How the hell can you say this movie was better than Superman??? The fight scenes are filmed horribly, way too close!!! And the way batman was yelling at that fat guy in the middle of the movie, I was laughing so hard. WTF was that???
You don't belong here :mad:

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Ummm, actually its vice versa. I thought SM2 is better than BB. And now I don't think it, I know it. I just saw BB and it was absolutely horrible. And the only reason BB has more votes is because it's in the Batman forums!!!!

SUPERMAN II sucks ass compared to Batman Begins. There's TONS of **** in there that fanboys would ****in kill.

[Jlandsw]

SUPERMAN II sucks ass compared to Batman Begins. There's TONS of **** in there that fanboys would ****in kill.

Spider-Man 2, not Superman 2. And they're both better than BB.

[CConn]

Way unnecessary-Dew

[Merkel]

I'm Catholic, and I think BB is superior to the Spiderman films in every single way.

[CConn]

And you're from Portugal, which makes you extra special.

[zer00]

hahaha
Completely unnecessary--Dew

[iceberg325]

Ummm, actually its vice versa. I thought SM2 is better than BB. And now I don't think it, I know it. I just saw BB and it was absolutely horrible. And the only reason BB has more votes is because it's in the Batman forums!!!!

No, it got more votes because It's a better movie. IMO BB is the best comic movie, then after comes spidey, then supes. Superman '78 was a great movie. There was nothing like it at the time, and most comic movies dont even come close still to this day. BB just surpassed it.

[dark_b]

BB was a good comic book movie for general people. and thats why i think it is sooo good. because a lot of people could enjoy it.

and i have a feeling that with SR it will be the same.


spidey movie are also very good!

[iceberg325]

BB was a good comic book movie for general people. and thats why i think it is sooo good. because a lot of people could enjoy it.

and i have a feeling that with SR it will be the same.


spidey movie are also very good!

IMO the best thing about BB is that it didnt cater to the general people. If it did we would have seen much more of bale in the suit. For the first hour we dont even see him suit up. Its all Wayne dealing with his parents death and becoming batman. I think why the first superman was so good also. Time was taken out to actually tell a story. Thats what makes both films good.

[dark_b]

IMO the best thing about BB is that it didnt cater to the general people. If it did we would have seen much more of bale in the suit. For the first hour we dont even see him suit up. Its all Wayne dealing with his parents death and becoming batman. I think why the first superman was so good also. Time was taken out to actually tell a story. Thats what makes both films good.yeah they want first to tell a story nto to make an action movie. and thats why dults can enjoy those movies.

:up:

[Jlandsw]

Batman is lame!

[iceberg325]

Batman is lame!

BB is a classic!!!!!

[nite-owl]

The goddam mother ****in Batman > everyone.

[CConn]

Batman is lame!Which is why I went to WB and suggested they make a Mercy Reef movie instead.

After they were done laughing they ripped up my pie chart.

That was my grandfather's pie chart. :(

I hope no one reports me for this. :(

[Ronny Shade]

*goes off to report CConn*

[zer00]

hahaha
Completely unnecessary--Dew

Ths post was satire making fun of those who made fun of him -Zer00

But yes you're right


though I still think he's just a troll.

[WhiteRat]

Superman The Movie is best in history.

Right on.Yeah I still gotta say that Superman is STILL the best comicbook movie of all time despite the fact I am a bigger Batman fan than I am Superman.Batman Begins gives Supes a run for his money though and is a very close second.I give Supes the slight edge for 3 reasons mostly.1.Batman Begins cant replace Superman with those nostalgia memorys I have from it as a kid.2.Batman Begins made the same mistake Burtons Batman movie did which dissapointed me-Never even at least introduced Dick Greyson and like Burton,left me hanging wondering if Robin will ever be in a sequal.:mad: 3.The Batmobile in Batman Begins had better improve its look in the next sequal.

[WhiteRat]

;) wow great place to have this poll.

Yeah why not have the poll in the superman section? This poll was done a year ago in the spider-man 2 section in Batman Begins trounced on that crappy spider-man 2 movie.,proof that it is much better than that movie:D so it would be a more objective poll if it was done in the superman section like Begins was in the spider-man section.

[WhiteRat]

Personally I don't know where you guys get off saying he is overrated. I understand that everyone has their own opinion, I am personally a bigger Batman fan myself, I just feel that Christopher Reeve pulled off the part amazingly well in everyway possible.

--dk7

Here Here.yeah I dont see where they get off saying Reeve is over rated either.:mad::down

[CConn]

Here Here.yeah I dont see where they get off saying Reeve is over rated either.:mad::downThey have an opinion that's different than yours?

Shocking, I know.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Spider-Man 2, not Superman 2. And they're both better than BB.

Okay, I'll play ball........how are they better?

Batman is lame!


Doesn't this count as trolling......????

I mean, if I went into an X3 thread and said:

X3 blew chunks all over the globe twice time 100.......wouldn't that count as trolling?

Yeah why not have the poll in the superman section? This poll was done a year ago in the spider-man 2 section in Batman Begins trounced on that crappy spider-man 2 movie.,proof that it is much better than that movie:D so it would be a more objective poll if it was done in the superman section like Begins was in the spider-man section


Yup.

Web-Heads know Batman is king right now. The only reason it's easy for them to admit it, is b/c SPIDER-MAN 3 is going to kick mother****ing ass.

[Merkel]

Is just me, or the percentages for each movie add up more than 100%?

[fangrl06]

Superman is a classic. How can it be compared to Batman 5(technically 6)? It was alright, but Superman is more timeless. I don't see Batman Begins being a timeless classic. I know this is not a popular thing to say on here, but hey it's what I think.

[fangrl06]

Okay, I'll play ball........how are they better?



Doesn't this count as trolling......????

I mean, if I went into an X3 thread and said:

X3 blew chunks all over the globe twice time 100.......wouldn't that count as trolling?



Yup.

Web-Heads know Batman is king right now. The only reason it's easy for them to admit it, is b/c SPIDER-MAN 3 is going to kick mother****ing ass.
I'll agree with you on one thing, and that is that SM3 is going to kick ass.

[Merkel]

After two lame Spiderman movies, I don't see how the 3rd can be any better.

[El Payaso]

Hah.

[iceberg325]

After two lame Spiderman movies, I don't see how the 3rd can be any better.

You really thought the spidey movies were lame???

[I am 6' 3½"]

Batman Begins! it has replaced Superman:The Movie as the BEST comic book film ever! :batman:.

PS Superman:The Movie kicks serious ass thoguhe.I reckon BATMAN (1989) was the best comic book movie ever... followed closely by Batman Begins... AND WE ALL KNOW THE WORST COMIC BOOK MOVIE EVER WAS BATMAN & ROBIN... DAMN YOU JOEL SCHUMACHER!... TO HELL!

[El Payaso]

You really thought the spidey movies were lame???

I do.

The first one at least. It was pure formula, really crap dialogue, horrible Green Goblin, terrible Mary Jane, the CGI was mostly bad (and really really bad), one cliché after another... but good acting, ok.

The second one I liked it much much more. I wouldn't call it lame.

But in both the humour was exasperating. Awful as the worst indigestion.

[iceberg325]

I do.

The first one at least. It was pure formula, really crap dialogue, horrible Green Goblin, terrible Mary Jane, the CGI was mostly bad (and really really bad), one cliché after another... but good acting, ok.

The second one I liked it much much more. I wouldn't call it lame.

But in both the humour was exasperating. Awful as the worst indigestion.

I can see the argument for spidey 1, just look at the festival scene where spidey saves the little kid from the falling ballon or whatever was falling on him, that lookes soooooooooo fake. Plus Macy Gray was in it zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. I didnt think GG was that bad, Mary Jane was meh. I dont like Kirsten Dunst for the role. Still dont!!!

Spidey 2 IMO was a GREAT film!!!! Raimi really stepped it up. That is why I'm so optimistic for spidey 3. The complaints I have for spidey 2 are the women screaming. Watch the movie again, everytime a woman screams, Its really overexagerrated. The scene when Doc ock came alive in the hospital gave me a headache lol. And when peter relieves himself of the spidey duties. I really didnt like the music they played when he was walking around all happy. Oh and I think Raimi overplayed peteys bad luck. Otherwise, the movie is a classic IMO.

[Merkel]

I thought the first Spiderman was bad on almost all levels. The second one was much better, without a doubt, but I still wouldn't call it a great movie.

I did love the Hulk, though.

[iceberg325]

I thought the first Spiderman was bad on almost all levels. The second one was much better, without a doubt, but I still wouldn't call it a great movie.

I did love the Hulk, though.

Why wouldnt you call it a great movie? What didnt you like about it?

[Merkel]

I think they overplayed the whole "Peter Parker doesn't have any luck" aspect. Plus, there was an over-reliance on CGI effects, Dunst was as bad as always and some of the dialogue (mainly by Aunt May), was pretty corny. Some scenes were great though, like the elevator scene. Molina was great. But that whole "don't worry, we won't tell anyone, spiderman" thing dropped it down a notch.

[CConn]

Superman is a classic. How can it be compared to Batman 5(technically 6)? It was alright, but Superman is more timeless. I don't see Batman Begins being a timeless classic. I know this is not a popular thing to say on here, but hey it's what I think.But see the thing is with me (and a few other people in this thread), is that STM itself is hardly a timeless film. It's a very good film, to be sure, but it's also, to me at least, very dated. And that hurts its overall quality. Especially when compared to a new, very good, movie like BB.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Superman is a classic. How can it be compared to Batman 5(technically 6)? It was alright, but Superman is more timeless. I don't see Batman Begins being a timeless classic. I know this is not a popular thing to say on here, but hey it's what I think.


But, how's it NOT a timeless classic?

There are no things in the film that give away the film's timeframe.....or the year. No product placement, no "flavor of the month" music.....nothing like that. Batman Begins took notes from Superman the Movie, and that is why it will be a classic.

I'll agree with you on one thing, and that is that SM3 is going to kick ass.

So....you actually thought X3 was good??

After two lame Spiderman movies, I don't see how the 3rd can be any better.


Cukooooo-Cukoooooo.

I reckon BATMAN (1989) was the best comic book movie ever... followed closely by Batman Begins... AND WE ALL KNOW THE WORST COMIC BOOK MOVIE EVER WAS BATMAN & ROBIN... DAMN YOU JOEL SCHUMACHER!... TO HELL!

Problem with that is, before Batman Begins.....BATMAN was never even in the convo.

But see the thing is with me (and a few other people in this thread), is that STM itself is hardly a timeless film. It's a very good film, to be sure, but it's also, to me at least, very dated. And that hurts its overall quality. Especially when compared to a new, very good, movie like BB.

Yeah, dated indeed. Timeless classic would suggest that it would feel as dated. But, it does. It happens.

That, and Lex Luthor. WTF is wrong with Lex Luthor.

[WhiteRat]

After two lame Spiderman movies, I don't see how the 3rd can be any better.

exactly.:up: I dont see how it could be great either since the first two were so lame.

[CConn]

You're all so eloquent. It's like modern day Shakespeare over here.

[BatMatt]

Batman Begins. Superman was very good, but when it ended I felt slightly..underwhelmed but I can't explain more. I actually like Superman II better for that reason. It took till about 3 weeks ago before I ever saw Superman one or two, and my god was Reeve amazing. I'm sorry it took me so long to realize that.

[Ben Urich]

Apples and baby wolverines. They can't be compared.

[Ben Urich]

You really thought the spidey movies were lame???

NEWSFLASH: They were.

[WhiteRat]

NEWSFLASH: They were.

Yep.

[iceberg325]

IMO they were great movies. Far from lame!!!

[WhiteRat]

Heh, they're both more or less the same in many regards so it doesn't really matter which one wins.

:up: Likewise.

[WhiteRat]

Spinning the world on it's axis in reverse.

Wtf.

He's not called superman for nothing.:rolleyes:

[iceberg325]

He's not called superman for nothing.:rolleyes:

superman, not chronoman. lol :supes:

[WhiteRat]

cut this out how can judge these two movies. superman '78 keyword 78 guys. why not wait a month and compare returns with begins. totally ridiculous unfair. why not compare george reeves superman with batman begins

come on now,thats comparing apples to oranges comparing George reeves superman with batman begins to superman 1978 to batman begins.Its a very fair comparison because even though people deny it a lot the special effects to superman 1978 STILL measure up to the best special effects in most comicbook movies today.They were the springboard as well to influence other movies as far as special effects go so its a very fair comparison.

[WhiteRat]

Christopher Reeve still to this day has pulled off the best portrayel of a comic book character...

SUPERMAN!

--dk7

Im inpressed this coming from you to vote Superman since your obviously a much bigger batman fan than Superman.I also am a bigger batman fan than superman as well but like you,I also voted superman as I mentioned earlier.

[WhiteRat]

I prefer Batman Begins.



I agree, but I think Kilmer did and ok job, but Keaton and Bale are Batman.

Naw Bale is the one and ONLY Batman.Heck even Kilmer was a better batman than keaton who was horribly miscast in that role.