So, we finally have a picture of Batwoman...

[CConn]

http://img2.imagepile.net/images/1259914826.jpg

Three guesses who it is.

[Two-Face]

Huntress?

[Antonello Blueberry]

OMG, it's horrible. A transexual red-haired Batwoman?

[Two-Face]

Well It's better than MOTB where they had purple and grey suit....

*shudder*

[Mister J]

No freakin' clue.

Assuming that none of the characters on that splash page at the end have dual roles, I'm tapped. I initially thought Renee Montoya or Sasha Bordeaux, but they're both on the page.

[Katsuro]

Could Babs be walking again?

[ChrisBaleBatman]

The mask should be connected to the costume. Other than that, it's a total Batman Beyond rip off..........

I'm betting it's Babs.

[batmaluco]

A transexual red-haired Batwoman?
That was my first thought when I (unfortunately) saw this pic. :(

[Saint]

I really don't like that costume. Maybe it'll look better under a different artist.

[theMan-Bat]

OMG, it's horrible. A transexual red-haired Batwoman?

Hahahaha!

[theMan-Bat]

http://img2.imagepile.net/images/1259914826.jpg

Three guesses who it is.

That looks like something out of a Joel Schumacher film.

[JesusOfNazarath]

Hopefully we'll see alot of hot pics of Babs now.:D:up:

[jaydawg]

I really don't like that costume. Maybe it'll look better under a different artist.
To be fair that entire spread did look terrible. But I really hate the fact that they stole the Beyond look and made it look worse. This Batwoman better kick as much ass as Terry did.

[Nightwing]

Well. Aside from the fact that Barbara wasn't on the splash page as Oracle, that would lead to the conclusion that it may just be her under the mask. I think that's what they want us to think, but why make it so obvious as to her having the red hair? It's either Barbara, or someone completly new. It could even be someone presently active in the comics.

[SouLeSS]

Since when can Babs walk again?

[Nightwing]

Since when can Babs walk again?

She can't, she's only found out that she was capable of moving her toes. Which is why her being Batwoman would be a bit shocking considering they'd have to explain how she can walk again.

[MaskedManJRK]

OMG, it's horrible. A transexual red-haired Batwoman?

How is that transexual? If you guys can't see the tits, then you seriously need glasses. :o

[theMan-Bat]

So her legs are normal now?
Maybe there throwing Killing Joke out of continuity too.:down
Guess it's to serious and adult for the new kid friendly Batman revamp now, "Batwoman" and "Joe Chill"-the 50's, and Batman's cute little babys with Taila and Catwoman.:(

[Nightwing]

So her legs are normal now?
Maybe there throwing Killing Joke out of continuity too.:down
Guess it's to serious and adult for the new kid friendly Batman revamp now, "Batwoman" and "Joe Chill"-the 50's, and Batman's cute little babys with Taila and Catwoman.:(

Relax, it may not even be actually her.

[Bat Attack]

Ugly suit. Can't wait to see who it actually is.

[Nightwing]

Kathy Kane could also be a possibility, considering she assumed the mantle during her Titans Tomorrow counterpart. Even though Barbara seems to be the obvious choice, the hair could just be a "red" herring.

[trustyside-kick]

http://img2.imagepile.net/images/1259914826.jpg

Three guesses who it is.

Looks like they took Batgirl's costume, changed the cowl and slapped on Batman Beyond's bat logo onto her chest.

Does not really bother me too much...is she even in any Bat stories that are in continuity?

[Motown Marvel]

she-hulk?

my guess is, that "continuity ripple" that came as a result from alex luthor and superboy, fixed the fact that barbara cant walk....

[JesusOfNazarath]

She can't, she's only found out that she was capable of moving her toes. Which is why her being Batwoman would be a bit shocking considering they'd have to explain how she can walk again.


Its DC there a million mistics that could heal her. All Zannta would have to do is say Barbra's back is heald backwards and she'd be fine.

[Katsuro]

Well Barbara could move her toes before One Year Later, right? Have we seen her at all since OYL started? Perhaps she learned to walk again during 52. I mean, they cant just take The Killing Joke out of continuity (like someone suggested), because then they'd have to also take out any comic where she's paralyzed. That's a lot to take out of continuity.

[Flame on!]

How is that transexual? If you guys can't see the tits, then you seriously need glasses. :o
Do you even know what a transexual is?

[warren_sparta27]

Barbara has been seen OYL in the BOP title, nothing about her being able to walk has been said though.

also i'm pretty sure it has been said that batwoman makes her first apperance in 52 # 9, that doesn't give babs alot of time to learn to work again, and get that fit, but anything is possible.
i just hope that they don't forget about the oracle charcter.

[trustyside-kick]

Do you even know what a transexual is?

Just because judging by her face she is not the typical superheroine artists draw does not make her a transexual. Most artists make their superheroines hot with the body and a cute face...judging from the picture with her cowl on she has average face.

[Rynan]

http://img2.imagepile.net/images/1259914826.jpg

Three guesses who it is.

She looks so.....butch...

[trustyside-kick]

Like I was basically trying to say: Who cares if she is not one of those typical hot superheroines? That should not matter.

[Two-Face]

I like it and it's better then purple and grey suit worn in MOTB.

[trustyside-kick]

Another thing about people dissing this design...you do know that if she appears more often not the same artists will draw her? For all you know there will be some artist that makes her hot or something.

[Two-Face]

I like to see Jim Lee's version of BW because he draws female superheroes quite hot looking!

[trustyside-kick]

I like to see Jim Lee's version of BW because he draws female superheroes quite hot looking!

Ya if someone like Jim drew her people would not be saying all this transexual stuff about her.

[Fledermaus]

If Jim Lee drew her, she would look just like Vikki Vale from All-Star Batman.

[trustyside-kick]

If Jim Lee drew her, she would look just like Vikki Vale from All-Star Batman.

Well. Jim draws just about all the girls in the similar age groups the same. Just different hair and boom there you go, new character. :P

[Nightwing]

Its DC there a million mistics that could heal her. All Zannta would have to do is say Barbra's back is heald backwards and she'd be fine.

I doubt Zatanna would have anything to do with this. Sure she'd be capable of doing that, but if Barbara does end up walking again they'll probably have it explained in a completly different way. I recall in the old Birds of Prey television series, Barbara created a special device, that she put around her waist which enabled her to walk for a short period of time. While doing so, she donned the Batgirl suit again but after remained as Oracle. I'd hope that if it's her as Batwoman, they wouldn't be doing the same.

[Two-Face]

If Jim Lee drew her, she would look just like Vikki Vale from All-Star Batman.

Well I like his drawings I think he make Batwoman a great one

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well, hot chicks are hot chicks.........

With IC........Babs could be walking again. Who knows.

[CConn]

I just checked. Babs is pictured in a wheelchair in the OYL issues of BoP. It still looks like Batwoman is her to me, though. :o

[Fledermaus]

I'm sure it's not Babs. It doesn't matter who draws Barbara, she's always prettier than that. And I would think, If Babs came back, she would wear her classic outfit.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Babs could be faking it for some reason. I mean, I dunno.....with IC, it seems to be the only chance DC will have to sneak her back into activity.

[trustyside-kick]

I'm sure it's not Babs. It doesn't matter who draws Barbara, she's always prettier than that. And I would think, If Babs came back, she would wear her classic outfit.

:confused:

You have seen so many different kinds of Batmans from dark and gloomy to the very studly herolike trait to him. Only way I can somewhat agree to that is that Batwoman was drawn to look older than Babs in that picture.

[Fledermaus]

Maybe so, but you've only seen Babs with this outfit on:
http://www.blisterdirect.com/products/official/images/big/472-batgirl.jpg

Boots are the same design.

[trustyside-kick]

Yea. This Batwoman is basically Batgirl's suit with different colors, cowl, and bat logo on chest.

[Fledermaus]

Yea. This Batwoman is basically Batgirl's suit with different colors, cowl, and bat logo on chest.

So it's basically Batgirls costume, just completely different?:confused:

[trustyside-kick]

No I mean like...they made small changes to her suit compared to Barbara's. Design wise the different colors and the different bat logo on chest are small small details...design wise I mean. If they were both at grey scale and you compared them you would see small differences and probably not notice the different bat logo as much.

[CConn]

Well, how different would you want the costume to be? Hell, the best Batwoman costume I've seen is the one in the last Superman/Batman arc which was just Batman's costume vagina-ized.

[Mister J]

http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/5453/batwomansb1pq.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Two-Face]

I like that ^

[trustyside-kick]

Same. That is a cool pic too.

[batmaluco]

http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/5453/batwomansb1pq.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Teh Hawt! :up:
Nice boots. ;)

[Fledermaus]

That is a great costume. Vagina-ized is my new favorite word.

I'm not a big fan of the Batman Beyond costume. That's probably why I don't really like the new Batwoman costume.

[CConn]

We should storm DC headquarters and make them change it.

Does anyone here know Weather Wizard?

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah, it worked for me. Figures too, I mean if she's STEALING the Mantle of Bat's namesake (only feminizing it) then go ahead and steal the costume as well.

[BatmanBale]

cool picturE

[Binker]

Whats wrong with it? I like it.

[Two-Face]

Whats wrong with it? I like it.


For some people it's too "Batman Beyondish":(

[Binker]

The only thing "Beyond-ish" is the symbol. Because of that, there shouldn't be any problems.

The three known Batwomen is Silver Age, MOTB, & the one from Superman/Batman. I would want something that wasn't a reused from the other Batwomens and there itis.

[Mee]

Too many Bat people running around. Batwoman, Huntress, Batgirl,(is she still around?) Nightwing,(and there's like 50 of them now) Robin, Jason Bard. Did I miss any? On a related note, did I hear right that the JSA has moved into Gotham OYL? Gotham should always be Batman's town.

[CConn]

Batgirl's gone, and Huntress is really quite seperate from Batman anymore...

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I just don't like the design of the suit. The mask should be attached to the costume. I think I'd like it better that way.

Oh, and if Batwoman didn't have a penis. Yeah, that too would be awesome.

[The Riddler]

wow, that's terrible.

[cerealkiller182]

http://img2.imagepile.net/images/1259914826.jpg

Three guesses who it is.

Her mask looks like a plastic Halloween mask that is tied on with that gray rubber band. Her utility belt doesnt seem practical. It looks a little loose.

[trustyside-kick]

??? How can you compare it to real things when it is a drawing. Looks like a halloween mask? the belt?

:down

[Cobblepot]

Ed Guinness his design is way hotter!!

[Till_the_End]

Normally I try to be very positive. But I really hate this design.
I don't mind the Batman Beyond, nor do I think that there are too many bat-people.
It is just not very cool.
But who knows, it's only one picture.
I really love Oracle so I hope it isn't Babs. But it certainly looks like her.

[union_jak]

Compare the picture of Batwoman to the cover of Batgirl: Year One.
The pose is identical, and the belt is just as loose.
I think this is intentional.

[CConn]

Well, now that I've stared at it for about a week, I have to say, the only thing I really dislike about it is the mask. Obviously they are trying to harken back to the original Batwoman of the '50s, but that costume sucked so...

Other than that it's not bad at all - Batman Beyond rip-off sure, but red is really the only way to go after they've already done grey, blue, yellow, etc. with Batman and Batgirl's various costumes.

It seems like most people's problem with it (in this thread, at least) is simply them not liking this particular artist's interpretation of the design. The supposed tranny look, maybe even the loose belt are simply because of how that particuar dude drew it. It'll probably look quite better once a better artist gets a crack at it.

[Nightwing]

http://affimg.tfaw.com/coverst/400/b/bgirlyonetpb.jpg

[BatFerret]

...The loose fitting belt and red hair...

:eek:

[Phoebe Dark]

http://img2.imagepile.net/images/1259914826.jpg


I don't see what all the fuss is over the costume, reguardless of who's under the mask. Just because it isn't the genaric cowl/cape in tones of blue/black/grey or even yellow.


Interestingly, you can see verious different versions of Batwoman in that outfit:

The mask is a very big throwback to Kathy Kane's Pre-Crisis mask.

The symbol is obviously from TNAB "The Mystery of the Batwoman"

The red has been a reoccuring color in almost all versions of Batwoman:
Kathy Kane, Pre-Crisis
Bette Kane, Post-Crisis in an alternate future "Titans of Tomorrow"
Batwoman in TNAB, "The Mystery of the Batwoman"

It looks pretty obvious with Catwoman having a baby and naming her 'Helena' and now the 'new' colors and style of 'Batwoman's costume that DC Comics is going through a retro-phase and basically just casting nods to it's Pre-Crisis stories and characters.

Kathy Kane Pre-Crisis, notice the colors and mask.
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/7582/detective2333ld.jpg

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/8656/kathy23ml.gif


Bette Kane aka "Flambird" in "Titans of Tomorrow", notice colors, mask and belt
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5113/batwomanflamebird3ub.jpg


Batwoman in "The Mystery of the Batwoman" Notice the colors and symbol.
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/5973/batwoman016oc.jpg

[deemar325]

http://img2.imagepile.net/images/1259914826.jpg

Three guesses who it is.

Alright that's pretty lame I'm losing interest in DC again.

[deemar325]

The whole idea of a Bat anything other than Bruce Wayne as Batman is lame.

[trustyside-kick]

Batwoman in "The Mystery of the Batwoman" Notice the colors and symbol.
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/5973/batwoman016oc.jpg

I personally liked that suit as well as the movie.

[CConn]

The whole idea of a Bat anything other than Bruce Wayne as Batman is lame.Then you must have been pretty pissed for the past 50 years or so.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Pffttt....yeah. DC's been doing it for.....like....ever.

[trustyside-kick]

Then you must have been pretty pissed for the past 50 years or so.

Lmao. :up:

[ChrisBaleBatman]

lol. Yeah.....CConn is a pretty funny dude. That's my boy. Your my boy CConn, your my boy.

[CConn]

Homoerotic come ons will get you no where. ;)

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Hey......obviously, your not a fan of OLD SCHOOL.

Hmmm.....nice avatar.

[CConn]

I haven't watched a film by Will Ferrell since I learned he was a Nazi in that fine documentary entited The Producers.

[batmaluco]

http://www.artoflawmack.com/images/bm002.JPG:eek: :eek:

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Talk about awkward.

[trustyside-kick]

http://www.artoflawmack.com/images/bm002.JPG:eek: :eek:

Yea...:eek:

[boywondernerdDC]

weiiiird

[Red Mask]

How is that transexual? If you guys can't see the tits, then you seriously need glasses. :o

When you keep swinging (no pun intended) around a city you're bound to develop more upper body strength. Now people who can fly - like Supergirl or Starfire - have no reason to develop like that. Especially when you're naturally gifted with super strength.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Isn't a transexual supposed to have a pair of breasts anyway??

She has a penis...that's why everyone is pissed.

[CConn]

Transsexual = tits.

Transvestite = dude with a wig.

[DBella]

Since when can Babs walk again?
Looks like she's on steroids in that pic. Maybe that helped her to walk again? Although I don't think steroids can do that. :confused:

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Steroids can do anything. They're like a magical chemical juice of crap and stuff.

Hmmm.....so, your' CConn's unholy Goddess, huh?

[DBella]

Steroids can do anything. They're like a magical chemical juice of crap and stuff.

Hmmm.....so, your' CConn's unholy Goddess, huh?
So you think Batwoman is Babs?

That's what my CT says. ;) :up:

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I dunno.......what I think is that IF there were ever a good chance for DC Comics to rectify her disabilty.....the aftermath of IC is the best chance to do it.

Wow.....sorry I missed the wedding.

[Robin91939]

I really don't want Babs to be walking again. This takes away so much from the last 10 years. I mean, she has been part of Batman's motivation for this time. Having her healed, to me, is as bad as resurecting Jason Todd.

-R

[Bullseye]

What's the new Batwoman picture from?

[Mister J]

Infinite Crisis #7

[Bullseye]

Must have been on the last page of the issue.

[Mister J]

Basically. Not the last page, but it's right at the end. It's a double splash page of numerous heroes.

[Bullseye]

I gotta read that issue again.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I really don't want Babs to be walking again. This takes away so much from the last 10 years. I mean, she has been part of Batman's motivation for this time. Having her healed, to me, is as bad as resurecting Jason Todd.

There's some validity to that.

But then again, you can say the same about Jim Gordon retiring....and actually, having Jason alive makes Batman's pain even WORSE......b/c, instead of being a fallen solider.....he's a sign of perhaps Batman's greatest failure......he was unable to turn Jason to the "light".

I figure.....now's as good a time as any to have her back on her feet. Yeah...she proved she's not just a brain....she proved she can be more than just a sidekick......we get it. Now, we want her back. She's just that ****in cool.

[DBella]

I dunno.......what I think is that IF there were ever a good chance for DC Comics to rectify her disabilty.....the aftermath of IC is the best chance to do it.

Wow.....sorry I missed the wedding.
Do you read BOP? Maybe there'll be a plot in somewhere in there to explain everything. IF she is indeed the new Batwoman.

I'm his Unholy Goddess, not his wife.

[CConn]

Do you read BOP? Maybe there'll be a plot in somewhere in there to explain everything. IF she is indeed the new Batwoman.

I'm his Unholy Goddess, not his wife.I've been reading BoP. There's nothing. Right now there's a plot involving the Crime Doctor and Black Canary continuing to try to be Shiva volume 2. :o Babs hardly appears in the arc so far.

[DBella]

I've been reading BoP. There's nothing. Right now there's a plot involving the Crime Doctor and Black Canary continuing to try to be Shiva volume 2. :o Babs hardly appears in the arc so far.
So it's totally not Babs then? :confused:

Btw, there's only one Lady Shiva and the only one worthy to "try to be" her is CC. :o

[CConn]

So it's totally not Babs then? :confused:But it looks so much like her! :(
Btw, there's only one Lady Shiva and the only one worthy to "try to be" her is CC. :oSpeaking of which, we just learned in the newest issue of Robin that Cassandra's killed Nyssa (Ra's daughter), and has taken over the League of Shadows. She acted like a total idiot. :o

[DBella]

But it looks so much like her! :(
Speaking of which, we just learned in the newest issue of Robin that Cassandra's killed Nyssa (Ra's daughter), and has taken over the League of Shadows. She acted like a total idiot. :o
She does look like Babs. Babs on Steroids. :(

No kidding?! :eek:
I'll so not read it. It will make me not like her anymore. :(
Define "total idiot". :o

[trustyside-kick]

I could not picture Babs being this mystery Batwoman. Even though artists draw females differently they normally go for the same general look for certain characters.

[CConn]

She does look like Babs. Babs on Steroids. :(

No kidding?! :eek:
I'll so not read it. It will make me not like her anymore. :(
Define "total idiot". :oIn short, she's become your average stupid evil *****. :o:(

[DBella]

In short, she's become your average stupid evil *****. :o:(
Damn! :(
She's worse than Nyssa? Why the heck did it have to happen? Who's the darn writer??

[CConn]

I could not picture Babs being this mystery Batwoman. Even though artists draw females differently they normally go for the same general look for certain characters.Except Babs' general look as been a frumpy chick in a wheel chair. If she did become cured or whatever, they would undoubtably have to abandon that frumpy look.

[CConn]

Damn! :(
She's worse than Nyssa?Not as lesbian-y. :o
Why the heck did it have to happen? Who's the darn writer??Adam Beechen. He's new to the title - having only written DC kids comics before then. It's really a shame, I was really loving his writing up until Cassie showed up. :(

[DBella]

Not as lesbian-y. :o
Adam Beechen. He's new to the title - having only written DC kids comics before then. It's really a shame, I was really loving his writing up until Cassie showed up. :(
CC isn't a lesbian, is she? I mean, I don't see her swinging that way from the Batgirl comics.

I think he should go back to writing DC kids comics.

[CConn]

No, I was talking about Nyssa. She really seemed to give off a vibe towards Talia in Death and Maidens. Which quite disturbed me since Talia is her sister. :o

It could've been the editors as well, I dunno.

[trustyside-kick]

Except Babs' general look as been a frumpy chick in a wheel chair. If she did become cured or whatever, they would undoubtably have to abandon that frumpy look.

I meant the look for her when she was Batgirl.

[DBella]

No, I was talking about Nyssa. She really seemed to give off a vibe towards Talia in Death and Maidens. Which quite disturbed me since Talia is her sister. :o

It could've been the editors as well, I dunno.
But you said, "Not as lesbian-y". I thought that meant she somewhat is. :confused:

Nyssa has the hots for her sister... but you can't really blame her, Talia is hawt. :o

[CConn]

I meant the look for her when she was Batgirl.Do you mean her costume choice or her physicality?

[CConn]

But you said, "Not as lesbian-y". I thought that meant she somewhat is. :confused:I said, Cassandra was not as lesbian-y as Nyssa.

[trustyside-kick]

Do you mean her costume choice or her physicality?

Eh...guess physicality? :O

Iono...I just doubt it is her, lol.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Do you read BOP? Maybe there'll be a plot in somewhere in there to explain everything. IF she is indeed the new Batwoman.


Yeah, she's a regular there, right? I guess if there was a storyline for her in would have to be there.


I'm his Unholy Goddess, not his wife.


Ouch.....okay......it's just.....Unholy Goddess sounds so.....official. It sounds like a priest had to be involoved.....or something....hmmm....although, unholy would mean he probably got sacrificed......hmm......

I dunno.....it's tough to compare women from different artists.....unless there's something concrete....like glasses or.....non-working legs.....ya know? So.....I think the only thing that might have looked the same was the red hair....then again, the red hair fits with the red in the suit.....

[Katsuro]

I said, Cassandra was not as lesbian-y as Nyssa.

Exactly, that would imply that while Cassandra is a little bit lesbian-y, she's less lesbian-y than Nyssa. I think that's what DBella is getting at.

[CConn]

But Nyssa was only a little bit lesbian-y. So less than a little, is nothing.

No, I don't know what I'm talking about.

[Lorendiac]

Okay, six months ago I started a Poll about "Who will be the new Batwoman?" That was in the early days of Infinite Crisis, long before we had even caught a glimpse of her (or what I presume to be her) at the very end of IC #7. Now that we've actually seen her - briefly - I'm thinking it's about time to do Round 2 of that Poll and see how people's opinions have changed after all this time. I suspect a fair number of us will want to change our votes now that we've seen IC come and go, along with the first few months of OYL and the first couple of issues of 52. :)

But before I do that, I would appreciate some feedback on any changes that need to be made to the ballot. Here are the choices from the first version: 11 characters mentioned by name, followed by 4 other options for people who didn't like any of the 11 candidates.

01. Barbara Gordon (currently Oracle, formerly Batgirl I)
02. Bette Kane (currently Flamebird, Pre-Crisis she had formerly been the Earth-1 Bat-Girl)
03. Cassandra Cain (currently Batgirl III)
04. Helena Bertinelli (currently Huntress, formerly Batgirl II)
05. Helena Wayne (the Pre-Crisis Earth-2 Huntress, daughter of the Golden Age Batman and Catwoman)
06. Kathy Kane (currently a dead civilian, formerly the Pre-Crisis Earth-1 Batwoman)
07. Renee Montoya
08. Sandra Woosan (currently Lady Shiva)
09. Sasha Bordeaux (currently an OMAC)
10. Selina Kyle (currently Catwoman)
11. Stephanie Brown (formerly Spoiler, formerly Robin IV, currently dead)
12. Someone newly created for the occasion
13. Someone very obscure coming back onstage after a long absence
14. Someone who started out in an animated story such as 'Mask of the Phantasm' or 'Mystery of the Batwoman' and is now being dragged into the mainstream DCU
15. Nobody! False Alarm! There won't be a new Batwoman next year!

If you can think of anyone else who deserves to be taken seriously as a candidate, please say so!

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Hmmmmm......it's the whole IC thing that makes this impossible to figure out. It could be anyone really, since things have been taken out and other have been added to continuity. I mean....maybe it's Alfred under there for all we know.

Hmmm....okay...maybe not....

[DBella]

Yeah, she's a regular there, right? I guess if there was a storyline for her in would have to be there.

Yes, she is. I don't read it though. I mean, I've read a few issues but don't really follow it.


Ouch.....okay......it's just.....Unholy Goddess sounds so.....official. It sounds like a priest had to be involoved.....or something....hmmm....although, unholy would mean he probably got sacrificed......hmm......

No... nothing like that. I am just his... uhhh... corruptor. Although he's already pretty much corrupted before I even got into the picture. :confused:


I dunno.....it's tough to compare women from different artists.....unless there's something concrete....like glasses or.....non-working legs.....ya know? So.....I think the only thing that might have looked the same was the red hair....then again, the red hair fits with the red in the suit.....
Any other red-heads in DC Comics in the Batman realm? I like the costume though. As CConn once told me, it's kinda like Batman Beyond's. :up:

[Bathead]

I dunno, that pic could be a red hairing.
(everybody groan)

[trustyside-kick]

Any other red-heads in DC Comics in the Batman realm? I like the costume though. As CConn once told me, it's kinda like Batman Beyond's. :up:

Yea, I like the suit too. It does remind me of the Batman Beyond one somewhat. A lot of people seem to complain about her cowl...but if anything I think that is one of the best parts about it because it is not like the other Bat characters' Cowls.

Besides the cowl, maybe (I would not care if they didn't but) they should redesign her gloves and boots so she looks even more different. Besides the cowl and emblem the rest appears to resemble Barbara's old suit design-wise. Maybe they could give her the boots McGuinness put on the Batwoman in Batman/Superman issue 24.

http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/dc102005/batman_superman/big/SupermanBatmanCv24.jpg

[ChrisBaleBatman]

No... nothing like that. I am just his... uhhh... corruptor. Although he's already pretty much corrupted before I even got into the picture.

lol.........you corrupted the corruptor..........lol..........your cool. Anyone that corrupt CConn is all right with me. :up:

Any other red-heads in DC Comics in the Batman realm? I like the costume though. As CConn once told me, it's kinda like Batman Beyond's. :up:

Yeah, I agree......although it looks inspired by the MYSTERY OF THE BATWOMAN design....we all know that design was ripped from Batman Beyond. But with the black and red....yeah...totally.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Wow....yeah....that was a wierd issue. I was like...whoa...Batman's hot....no wait...I mean Batwoman....but wait, it's just a female Batman....but wait....it's still a chick....but she's still got Batman's genes.....whao.....

Very confusing time that issue was......

[trustyside-kick]

Yea I had to re-read some parts to not mix things up with issue. Same with the one set of issues where those 3 people from the future changed Superman and Batman's lives and stuff.

[Fledermaus]

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71980

Everybody should check this out.

looks like we were all wrong.
Hinted and teased about for months, Sunday’s New York Times (already being delivered in the New York area) confirms that DC is brining back a staple of its Silver Age: Batwoman.

The article, entitled "Straight (and Not) Out of the Comics: At DC and Marvel Comics, new heroes are gay, black, Asian and Hispanic. Get used to it," is a full- page feature on page 25 of the Sunday Arts & Leisure section on Marvel and DC’s emphasis on increasing the diversity of their respective character libraries over the past months to year-plus. NYT writer George Gene Gustines covers, among others, the attention being placed on the upcoming Black Panther/Storm wedding, and the new Blue Beetle, a Hispanic teen, as well as Batwoman, Kathy Kane, who, according to the article: “…is a wealthy (socialite), buxom lipstick lesbian who has a history with Renee Montoya, an ex-police detective who has a starring role in 52."

According to the article, Batwoman will "appear in costume for the first time in a July issue of 52"

Eagle-eyed DC fans caught a first look at Batwoman in Infinite Crisis #7’s splash page showing a swath of new characters – wearing a costume apparently inspired by the original, Silver Age Batwoman, as well as a nod to the color scheme of Batman Beyond. According to the NYT, the costume was designed by Alex Ross. Of course, her name, an obvious homage to the Silver Age “Kathy Kane”.

[DBella]

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71980

Everybody should check this out.

looks like we were all wrong.
Hinted and teased about for months, Sunday’s New York Times (already being delivered in the New York area) confirms that DC is brining back a staple of its Silver Age: Batwoman.

The article, entitled "Straight (and Not) Out of the Comics: At DC and Marvel Comics, new heroes are gay, black, Asian and Hispanic. Get used to it," is a full- page feature on page 25 of the Sunday Arts & Leisure section on Marvel and DC’s emphasis on increasing the diversity of their respective character libraries over the past months to year-plus. NYT writer George Gene Gustines covers, among others, the attention being placed on the upcoming Black Panther/Storm wedding, and the new Blue Beetle, a Hispanic teen, as well as Batwoman, Kathy Kane, who, according to the article: “…is a wealthy (socialite), buxom lipstick lesbian who has a history with Renee Montoya, an ex-police detective who has a starring role in 52."

According to the article, Batwoman will "appear in costume for the first time in a July issue of 52"

Eagle-eyed DC fans caught a first look at Batwoman in Infinite Crisis #7’s splash page showing a swath of new characters – wearing a costume apparently inspired by the original, Silver Age Batwoman, as well as a nod to the color scheme of Batman Beyond. According to the NYT, the costume was designed by Alex Ross. Of course, her name, an obvious homage to the Silver Age “Kathy Kane”.
Thanks for the info. :up:
The speculation stops here.

[CConn]

DC's...penchant for lesbian Batman characters is becoming a bit...odd. First they turned Montoya gay, then turned the Catwoman mantle over to a lesbian, and now are making Kathy Kane a lesbian.

I have nothing against lesbians, but you gotta admit...that's a lotta homosexuality for one group of characters.

[Fledermaus]

That is a lot of homosexuality. It's almost as if DC is trying to shut up the "Batman and Robin are gay" crowd by shoveling lesbians down the fans throats. This is an entirely new character (aside from the name), right? I wonder if there is any history between Kathy and Bruce?

[Katsuro]

So how the hell are they gonna tie her into the Bat-family. Bruce doens't just let ANYONE put on a bat costume and use the name. I would've preffered an existing character become Batwoman (like Selina Kyle perhaps).

[CConn]

That's...actually a pretty good idea.

[trustyside-kick]

Why would Selina become Batwoman when she gave up the Catwoman mantle because of her new born baby.

[CConn]

Well, look at the real world. Most women when they're about to have a baby take leaves, or even quit their jobs, then, after a while and their child's older, will go back to work. It could've been the same thing here. I don't think any of us are expecting Selina to never put on a costume again...

[trustyside-kick]

Maybe, but it would not make sense for her to become Batwoman. And with her and Bruce's past it would be wierd. I doubt she would accept training from him like Bruce trained the Robins and Batgirls. She wouldn't really be Batwoman even if she took up the mantle.

Know what I mean? I am trying to think of the best way to say it but at the moment I am unsure.

[CConn]

I don't quite get what you mean, actually. I just think it makes a helluva lot more sense to have Selina brought into the fold than some random stranger. The Batfamily is just that...a family; it's not surprising his love interest would get in on the action eventually. Eh, it's all moot anyway. We're getting Post Crisis' Kathy Kane. Now we just have to prey she's fairs better than the original one did. :o

[captain_jimbo]

DC's...penchant for lesbian Batman characters is becoming a bit...odd. First they turned Montoya gay, then turned the Catwoman mantle over to a lesbian, and now are making Kathy Kane a lesbian.

I have nothing against lesbians, but you gotta admit...that's a lotta homosexuality for one group of characters.

Yeah, but who cares? Lesbians are great!:up:

[trustyside-kick]

So are we only going to see Batwoman in the 52 Series?

[Fledermaus]

Wasn't there rumors last year of a Batwoman ongoing?

[Binker]

More on her by Dido:

As the news was filteing out through various channels, we caught up with DC Executive Editor Dan Didio to talk about the new character, the role her sexuality will play, and what the future holds for the new Batwoman.

NRAMA: So – after much rumor, speculation, and teasing, Batwoman is making her debut…

Dan Didio: Yes!

NRAMA: Tell us about her…

DIDIO: We’re always looking for ways to reinvigorate the Batman franchise, and look at other characters to inhabit his world. One of my problems with it was that I felt that a lot of the characters were coming form the same place, the same sense of origin, the same sense of tragedy in their backstory. We wanted to find a way to branch out a little bit more in the Bat-world. We looked at the Kathy Kane character, and we wanted to find a way to bring her back to the DC Universe. We figured that coming out of Infinite Crisis was a good time to re-introduce the character to the DCU –we can blame Superboy Prime for that.

We wanted to find a way to make her feel different, and give her a different personality, a different ideology, and a different backstory, so that she wasn’t just another Batman or Bruce Wayne clone. She’s a member of high society and she is gay. But her sexuality is not the main thrust of the character; it’s just another aspect of her personality, one that helps her to determine her choices that she makes as she’s fighting crime in Gotham City.

NRAMA: What do you mean by that last part? How does the fact that she’s gay help to determine the choices she makes as she’s fighting crime in Gotham?

DIDIO: Basically, what it means is that we have another very strong female character, and how her private life plays against her heroic life is going to be where the stories play in; as well as different types of adventures and different types of dramas that she gets caught up in. One of the first stories is that she does have a history with Montoya – because of that, it pulls her directly into a lot of the events in Montoya’s world, brings her into confrontation with The Question, and gets her hooked up with the things that are happening in 52.

NRAMA: Playing devil’s advocate, as you said, the fact that she is gay will play a role in her activities as a hero – but, when you flip that, it doesn’t really apply to say, Batman. You can’t say, “Because he’s heterosexual, Batman’s adventures are thus and so.” Heterosexuality as a character trait is has been largely ignored with Batman, yet it’s not the same when you’re talking about a gay character. Why is that?

DIDIO: If the character is gay, she might have had different levels of challenges in her life. The fact that she conceals her own sexuality to some of the people around her and to her own family is going to be a bit of a story, so there are going to be secrets within secrets. You’ll also find more and more about who she is as the story is told, and see how it plays against her lifestyle.

NRAMA: Where does she debut again?

DIDIO: 52 #11

NRAMA: And her name is Kathy Kane…

DIDIO: Or “Kate” as we’re calling her now.

NRAMA: Her costume designed by Alex Ross – it has interesting elements, both a nod to the original Silver Age Batwoman, as well as a nod to the Batman Beyond color scheme. What went into the look?

DIDIO: We really attribute the costume fully to Alex. When we went to him, we explained that we were bringing Batwoman back, but she is coming back for a new generation. He knew the backstory of the character as well, and wanted to do something that would both pay tribute to the past, but also move the character into her own identity. He’s so incredible when he does these things; he pulls from so many different places and still makes it feel unique while still giving a wink and a nod to everything around him.

NRAMA: Anytime someone shows up in Batman’s world, he takes a relatively grumpy reaction…well; he did prior to Infinite Crisis. What’s his response to this intrusion, post Infinite Crisis?

DIDIO: Well, remember that she’s operating in the city for nearly a year before Bruce comes home. She’s going to be able to establish herself in that fashion, and part of the assumption of the identity will be filling that void in Gotham City that has been left by Batman packing up and leaving after Crisis. This plays out on several levels, because you’ll also find out that there’s history between Bruce Wayne and Kate Kane from before she put on the costume as well. She’s someone who’s frequented the high society circles – they’ve encountered each other in the past, and there is some sense of history between the two, although we’re not really explaining what just yet. So, more importantly, he’s going to have to deal with her on multiple levels, as she reasserts herself in a level of prominence in Gotham society.

NRAMA: Plans for her in the immediate future? Her own series, miniseries, appearances, or can it be said at this point?

DIDIO: One of the things that I would like to do with Batwoman in particular, because we feel that who she is and the development of the character is so unique to what we’re trying to accomplish in the DCU, but also to what 52 is about, one of the things I’d like to see, at least in the beginning, is to see her as a character who will be appearing primarily in 52. Them, we’ll be exploring things in different ways.

To use a Marvel reference, I always liked the way that Marvel introduced the Punisher. He started in Amazing Spider-Man, and had some really landmark appearances in Daredevil, and they allowed interest in him to grow. I think this is a character that can really benefit form appearing in different books first before we test the waters with her on her own.

NRAMA: And let the fan demand fuel a project?

DIDIO: Yeah. We’ve introduced a lot of characters in a very short period time, and we’ve got a lot more coming down the pipeline, but I’d like to believe that mostly everything we do now is coming out of other things so that we’re not just throwing books and ideas and concepts at people cold. I want it to be where it feels like everything has time to take root. Again, we’re throwing a lot of new ideas, and more importantly, things where people are already predisposed about how they think a character should act and behave. So I want to pull them in a little more slowly now, and get them acclimated to the new directions for the series and the characters themselves, and hopefully enjoy what we’re doing.

Therefore, when we do go bigger with series and stories, they’re ready for it, and, as the expression goes are coming out, “Because you Demanded It!”

NRAMA: Bigger picture – as you said, you’ve introduced a large number of characters in a relatively short time coming out of Crisis. A lot of these characters are non-white, or, like Batwoman, minorities in other respects. That was the plan all along?

DIDIO: Always. From the moment I walked in the door. If you go out and try to diversify the DC Universe in 15 minutes – and you can – but you’re going to get something that will instantly forgotten like, not to speak too ill of the dead, Planet DC. Noble effort, smart idea, but the execution short-circuited the concept, and it was stillborn.

So what we wanted to do is have a DC Universe that was more reflective, not only of our readership, but as society as a whole. Everything that we’re doing, every step that we’re taking, we’ll keep on pushing that, not only because I think it’s the right thing to do, but also because it allows us to create those points of difference. The fact that the Blue Beetle is Hispanic allows you to include a different kind of sensibility into the story that we might not have had in another series. It’s the same thing with the new Atom being Asian. It should affect the storytelling in some way, because it allows us to give a different point of view, a different perspective. The same thing with Renee Montoya or Kate Kane being gay – that doesn’t matter who they are, but it does help give their stories a different point of view, a different perspective on the DCU that other characters might not have. It’s trying to attack these things on a personal level, so we can get much richer, more emotional stories from them.

NRAMA: Wrapping up – Batwoman coming back…Batgirl…not around anymore?

DIDIO: …I didn’t say that, did I? [laughs]

NRAMA: So the Bat-shaking’s not done?

DIDIO: Yeah. There’s a good chance that there are some more twists and turns coming up within the Bat Family. There was that sense that they were a single unit, operating with a single mindset, and all the characters were marching to Batman’s orders. One of the key things we need to do; especially coming out of Crisis is reinstate that sense of individuality for all the characters that inhabit Batman’s world. We’ve got a great set of characters with Robin and Nightwing and several others there, but what we need to do is make sure we understand and express what each one of their point of difference is.

I don’t want somebody to pick up a Batman book, a Nightwing book, and a Robin book and feel like they’re reading the same story. These are three different people with three different perspectives, with three different stories taking place. They all should have their own tonality and their own feel, and that’s what we want to do with Batwoman right now – she should have her own tonality, her own feel so that her character and her story has something that’s unique to itself, and not just another Batman story with a woman.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I dunno....I hear you CConn........I mean, there's nothing wrong with gay and lesbian characters.......but why not spread it out and not just have it present in Gotham? Why not have it present in other cities too?

Plus.....this automatically kills the Batman and Batwoman sex affair.

Although......if there's anyone who can turn em back, it might be the Batman.

[trustyside-kick]

More on her by Dido:

After reading that, I am looking forward even more to seeing how this character develops.

[Mister J]

I dunno....I hear you CConn........I mean, there's nothing wrong with gay and lesbian characters.......but why not spread it out and not just have it present in Gotham? Why not have it present in other cities too?

Plus.....this automatically kills the Batman and Batwoman sex affair.

Although......if there's anyone who can turn em back, it might be the Batman.
I guess it depends on what books she's in. Didn't Morrison say his Bats was going back to being the 'hairy-chested love god'?

Batman, your mission, should you choose to accept it...

[trustyside-kick]

I guess it depends on what books she's in. Didn't Morrison say his Bats was going back to being the 'hairy-chested love god'?

Batman, your mission, should you choose to accept it...

But she is homosexual, they didn't say anything about bi-sexual. How would Bats pull that off? :P

[ChrisBaleBatman]

You seem to forget that he's the Goddamn Batman........he can do anything. He can even defeat Chuck Norris.

[CConn]

But she is homosexual, they didn't say anything about bi-sexual. How would Bats pull that off? :PLook at it this way...she could be Anne Hache.

[trustyside-kick]

What is that supposed to mean?

[ChrisBaleBatman]

That she could come back to our team......

Or switch hit for both, it's all cooll.....

[trustyside-kick]

Lmao.

[Black Panther]

WTF?!?! :confused: I hate that costume, not sure about the character though yet...

[trustyside-kick]

What do you hate about that costume?

[Fledermaus]

I can't speak for Darkness89, but since I've never been a fan of the Batman Beyond costume, I'd have to say just about everything. The best thing about the Beyond costume (and the previous Batgirl costume) was the full-face cowl. This **** looks like a ****in Halloween mask.

[trustyside-kick]

Because the cowl is what makes her more like the older Batwoman suit in the silver age.

[Two-Face]

I read Teletext that Batwoman is lesbian Kathy Kane and she will appear in 52 Titan Book and uK release is 2007.

[trustyside-kick]

Ouch, so another year for you before you see how this character will be.

[Two-Face]

I know, you guys probably finish reeding it by the time I pick up the book. :(

[batmaluco]

http://comicsnewsi.net//g/albums/DC/52/batwoman.jpg

[Black Panther]

I can't speak for Darkness89, but since I've never been a fan of the Batman Beyond costume, I'd have to say just about everything. The best thing about the Beyond costume (and the previous Batgirl costume) was the full-face cowl. This **** looks like a ****in Halloween mask.

"Applauds"

My answer right there, bro. :up:

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Thank God they fixed the neck on her suit.

And I second...the Batman Beyond suit was pretty damn cool.

The ONLY thing it needed was a cape, I felt. Otherwise....the cowl, everything was fine.

Btw, I always felt the lenses on the cowl should be red....anyone else agree?