[E3 2006] The Sony Conference

[Carter]

if you were the only person on earth selling it, sure

[Spidey-Bat]

blu ray is said to be on the path of BETAMAX...most studios are going HDDVD..so i guess if you wana take a gamble go ahead...and do you honestly need a 60gig drive???

The hard drive will have saves. Plus if Sony is going to rip-off Microsoft, expansions and patches will also be put on the hard drive.

[DarthRekal]

The hard drive will have saves. Plus if Sony is going to rip-off Microsoft, expansions and patches will also be put on the hard drive.

right but i hjave soooo much music on my xbox and patches up the arse..and i still havent maxed it out.... the 360 is bigger!:eek: ... so why soo much memory for the ps3?

[Benstamania]

Sony has penis envy maybe?

[DarthRekal]

Sony has penis envy maybe?

figured....

[Spidey-Bat]

Sony has penis envy maybe?

More like wii envy:)

[DarthRekal]

More like wii envy:)

wii- wii?

[Cmill216]

Don't know if this has been posted already. Hellboy! :eek:

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/8987/hellboytba200605090258390155lo.jpg

[kytrigger]

blu ray is said to be on the path of BETAMAX...most studios are going HDDVD..so i guess if you wana take a gamble go ahead...and do you honestly need a 60gig drive???

Even IF companies decide to go the way of the HD-DVD, the Blu-Ray can still be utilized to make larger games, so it's not a total waste.

[DarthRekal]

Even IF companies decide to go the way of the HD-DVD, the Blu-Ray can still be utilized to make larger games, so it's not a total waste.

true but the its uses are limited to only games..and the selling point of being an "everything" player is rendered futile:down

[Danalys]

blu ray is said to be on the path of BETAMAX...most studios are going HDDVD..so i guess if you wana take a gamble go ahead...and do you honestly need a 60gig drive???

since when are most studios going HDDVD. have i missed several anouncements or something.

[Mr. Vice]

Don't know if this has been posted already. Hellboy! :eek:

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/8987/hellboytba200605090258390155lo.jpg

:confused: WTF? I didn't hear anything about a Hellboy game? Looks mighty fine though...

[DarthRekal]

since when are most studios going HDDVD. have i missed several anouncements or something.


yes...the hddvd format is already being favored by most production companies...reasoning being...hd is already household name and hdtv is more mainstream then ever the next logical step being hd-dvd...its sister product..more marketable...

kinda like the sd memory card ..whereas the sont memory sticks are EXCLUSIVE to sony products.... thats where i see blu ray going

[Lackey]

MSNBC poll... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12694724/

[DarthRekal]

nice poll lacks...LOL 60% no way!

[GothicPowerMix1]

Don't know if this has been posted already. Hellboy! :eek:

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/8987/hellboytba200605090258390155lo.jpg

A Hellboy Game :confused: Any Trailers :confused:

[Danalys]

yes...the hddvd format is already being favored by most production companies...reasoning being...hd is already household name and hdtv is more mainstream then ever the next logical step being hd-dvd...its sister product..more marketable...

kinda like the sd memory card ..whereas the sont memory sticks are EXCLUSIVE to sony products.... thats where i see blu ray going

i swear you have got your wires crossed somewhere. of all the studios only universal isn't surporting blu-ray. while sony, mgm, disney and others aren't surporting hd-dvd. also i believe blu-ray has porn studios on it's side like vhs did.

[Cmill216]

A Hellboy Game :confused: Any Trailers :confused:

Yup.

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/827/827012/vids_1.html

[THE LIZARD#1]

Dude why the hell is everyone putting down Sony? I mean seriously this is so retarded everyone is saying. I like how everyone is pointing out that Sony stole everything from another game company when you guys probable don't even know the history of Sony.

The whole reason why Sony joined the Game industry is because Nintendo asked for their help in making the N64 so they could be the sega dreamcast or something like that and Sega was going to win however Sony designed their controller and worked on the graphics card or something like that. So when it came time to get paid Nintendo cut all access to Sony and basically did a hit and run and stole Sony's dimond lay out on the N64 controller with the yellow buttons.

Microsoft also stole the layout of the PS3 controller all they did was switch the d-pad and the left analog stick. Oh big change! They also made the 360 small like a PS2 controller and put the black and white bottoms on the top infront of the right and left trigger.

So really I wouldn't say Sony is stealing just getting either inspired by their ideas or they are just seeking revenge against Microsoft and Nintendo for all those years.

I saw all of this on G4 TV icons so its legitiment information.

Also I wanted to say that word on websites dating back into 2005 there were interviews that Sony kept telling everyone you'll have to wait and see our new idea for a controller. The whole thing about adapting it to Warhawk probable meant they weren't able to perfect it well enough. From what I saw on E3 it looks like Nintendo might need to work on their controller because it seems like its not really that responsive.

When adam sessler was playing he had to slash the air five times just to get one shot in with his sword in red steel.

[Benstamania]

The whole reason why Sony joined the Game industry is because Nintendo asked for their help in making the N64 so they could be the sega dreamcast or something like that and Sega was going to win however Sony designed their controller and worked on the graphics card or something like that. So when it came time to get paid Nintendo cut all access to Sony and basically did a hit and run and stole Sony's dimond lay out on the N64 controller with the yellow buttons.

WRONG! Sony ASKED Nintendo to join forces with them and make a CD add on to the SNES. It would compete with the Sega CD and the like, It would have been called the Nintendo Playstation. Nintendo said no because they did not think that CD's were the way of the future because the Sega CD sales were not all that impressive.

Sony then went on to get into the gaming business themselves. Nintendo passed up on something they shouldn't have, it was a mistake.

Sony just made several HUGE mistakes at E3, and why base ANYTHING on what Adam Sessler does? He's a freakin idiot.

[Spidey-Bat]

I doubt Sessler got a copy of the final game. Pretty much every next-gen game playable at E3 is still unfinished.

[Benstamania]

And Sessler acts like an ass constantly. He thinks it makes him funny.

[THE LIZARD#1]

True guys sorry to say, but Sony did design the diamond layout for the controller I saw it on icons, they then after said lets go into the CD games. But Nintendo said no so they were like okay and then when the go F in the A by Nintendo that pushed them over the edge but the head of Sony was skeptic at first until he saw the success of the Nintendo 64 they worked on.

Maybe I'm wrong though I saw it like in January but I think thats spot on.

But Sony was the first one to come up with the idea for the Motion sensing thing because Sony was saying they had this brilliant idea that they didn't want a company to take and they kept it secret for a while. Nintendo then released their new controller when around November. This is true because I looked it on video game websites in interviews with Sony and my friends found a bunch of that information on websites to.

[THE LIZARD#1]

Man a ton of people hate Sessler lol.

[War Party]

I thought the thing on icons was for a cd attachment for the SNES? But then Nintendo decided to be partners with Philips.

[Benstamania]

No offense man but Sony rushed the sensor thing in. I don't want to ruffel any feathers but that's how they got around their lawsuit with the DS. They took out the rumble, looked at what Nintendo was doing and decided to do something like that.

Sony's done this for YEARS. I know you'll believe what you want and I won't try to change your opinion....just stating what's pretty much fact. And PC's had motion sensoring controlers a few years back, not as advanced as Nintendos....but still.

[Benstamania]

I thought the thing on icons was for a cd attachment for the SNES? But then Nintendo decided to be partners with Philips.

Correct.

[Spidey-Bat]

Man a ton of people hate Sessler lol.

I don't hate him. I'm saying he's not playing the final version. Plus, it's possible he was not using the controller properly. I saw a video where a guy was at UbiSoft Paris and played it. He had no problems. I also wouldn't be suprised if Sessler purposely screwed up to make it look bad considering how much hype there is for it being the first FPS on the Wii.

[TheCardPlayer]

Hellboy PS3 exclusive!

Damn that's a shocker. Another notch in Sony's belt.

[Cmill216]

Sessler doesn't annoy me. He's just another "trying too hard to be funny" cable TV host.

Now, Morgan Webb on the other hand....;)

[Unleashed]

Hellboy PS3 exclusive!

Damn that's a shocker. Another notch in Sony's belt.
so is this based on the movie or comic?

[TheCardPlayer]

Looking at Hellboy I'd say the movie!

[Unleashed]

But the villians look like the comic.

But Hellboy doesn't have goat legs.

:confused:

[Jager X]

he does in the comics i think.and by the looks of him, this is based on the comic.

[Unleashed]

I know he has goat legs in the comic, but it the movie and game he doesnt.

[Darth Elektra]

Wow, just saw the remote... looks sucky.

[GoldenAgeHero]

remote?

[Unleashed]

I think he meant the controller

[Horrorfan]

Hellboy PS3 exclusive!

Damn that's a shocker. Another notch in Sony's belt.


I think you mean that's 'FINALLY a notch in Sony's belt'.


Oh well, I won't be getting it (remember the first PSone exclusive Hellboy game?).

[hey yo its sean]

Yeah, it's about time Sony had a big title under their belt. It's all been a bunch of no-name games so far.

Phew.

[Benstamania]

IGN says Hellboy will be on the PS3, PSP and 360.

[Horrorfan]

OH SNAP.The ONE game I might possibly have waited for a HUGE price drop for, I don't even have to. Now with this and 360 x-clusive (sorry had to) GTA content, sony keeps on fumbling the ball bad.

[Spidey-Bat]

IGN says Hellboy will be on the PS3, PSP and 360.

I guess the PSP will just be a port of the PS3 like every PSP game is.

[Mr. Credible]

that's pretty funny, considering the PSP probably has just as many, if not more of an exclusive games to ports ratio then the DS does.

[Lackey]

that's pretty funny, considering the PSP probably has just as many, if not more of an exclusive games to ports ratio then the DS does.


If that's true (which I'm not too sure it is), then I guess it's just a matter of DS's exclusive games being much better than PSP's

[SLYspyder]

exactly...why even make a "base" model then? That's the equivalent of buying a car that is 1000 dollars cheaper but has no wheels.

rofl

[KALEL114]

No offense man but Sony rushed the sensor thing in. I don't want to ruffel any feathers but that's how they got around their lawsuit with the DS. They took out the rumble, looked at what Nintendo was doing and decided to do something like that.

Sony's done this for YEARS. I know you'll believe what you want and I won't try to change your opinion....just stating what's pretty much fact. And PC's had motion sensoring controlers a few years back, not as advanced as Nintendos....but still.
So you were involved in the development of the controler? You must have been if you know it was rushed. Come on guys. Who knows how long they have been working on this. They might have been working on it before Nintendo. Do you have facts to support anything in your post? I'm getting tired of people throwing out opinions as fact. Every page of this thread is littered with it. As for the PS3 games looking about on par as 360 games. Well have any of us seen a finished PS3 game yet? No. You cannot compare games on a system thats been out for months with a system thats not coming out in months. It is way to early to predict if HD-DVD will be the future or if BLU-RAY will win. The PS3 price should not be a surprise to any of us since analysts have been saying it will 500.00 to 600.00 dollars. And yes I will be buying a PS3 because of the great history Sony has had in software and third party support. Plus I am a tech guy who likes the newest in technology. If I can get a BLU-RAY player that plays games,DVD's,Cd's, for the price of a regular BLU-RAY player than sign me up. :)

[Trigger]

OH SNAP.The ONE game I might possibly have waited for a HUGE price drop for, I don't even have to. Now with this and 360 x-clusive (sorry had to) GTA content, sony keeps on fumbling the ball bad.

I wouldn't be too surprised if this exclusive on-line content makes its way to the PS3 version as well.

[TheCardPlayer]

Golden Axe!


Hell yes!

[SLYspyder]

sony stole nintendo's idea, half-assed it, and rushed it into production, instead of patiently waiting until next next generation.

as far as i'm concerned, with a crappy controller, and $600 console, probably $75 games, 360 having the same graphical power, 360 most likely dropping to $300 this christmas season, Nintendo even less than that with a controller most want to try out, Sony just leveled the playing field. Any of one the big 3 could be the victor of next generation.

[The Lumberjack]

I will be buying a PS3 to sell that f**ker on Ebay. Make myself a sweet profit.:up:

[DarthRekal]

So you were involved in the development of the controler? You must have been if you know it was rushed. Come on guys. Who knows how long they have been working on this. They might have been working on it before Nintendo. Do you have facts to support anything in your post? I'm getting tired of people throwing out opinions as fact. Every page of this thread is littered with it. As for the PS3 games looking about on par as 360 games. Well have any of us seen a finished PS3 game yet? No. You cannot compare games on a system thats been out for months with a system thats not coming out in months. It is way to early to predict if HD-DVD will be the future or if BLU-RAY will win. The PS3 price should not be a surprise to any of us since analysts have been saying it will 500.00 to 600.00 dollars. And yes I will be buying a PS3 because of the great history Sony has had in software and third party support. Plus I am a tech guy who likes the newest in technology. If I can get a BLU-RAY player that plays games,DVD's,Cd's, for the price of a regular BLU-RAY player than sign me up. :)

yes sony's track record..lets list them..... betamax, minidiscs, memory sticks... all huge in the market... blu rays..will cost alot to make and you cant really burn from them..making "backup" discs will be obsolete... and if they were working on the controller along time..why did they unveil a BOOMERANG one..then ditch it!????

[hippie_hunter]

yes sony's track record..lets list them..... betamax, minidiscs, memory sticks... all huge in the market... blu rays..will cost alot to make and you cant really burn from them..making "backup" discs will be obsolete... and if they were working on the controller along time..why did they unveil a BOOMERANG one..then ditch it!????

Unlike betamax, minidiscs, UMDs and memory sticks, blu-ray actually has a lot of support

[DarthRekal]

Unlike betamax, minidiscs, UMDs and memory sticks, blu-ray actually has a lot of support

that is until the licensing hits...and only sony players can play them...all im saying yall wana go by their track record..they have a history of fouling things up...bluray is by far superior to hd dvd.... but the cost effectiveness and the branding.... the GENERAL public..is prone to be shepherded into the cheap and familiar... take it for what its worth

[Unleashed]

Sony just made my decision for me.

[THE LIZARD#1]

Well IMO I think from a Business stand point what Sony is doing is sort of smart in a way,I know everyone looks at it as copying or taking another's idea but all in all Sony is just killing the other competition by narrowing down their exclusive stuff so now there won't be anymore oh Sony has horrible On-line its an xbox live clone almost. The Wii people who say that controller is sweet might like Sony's tilt idea.

Also people who like First Person shooters on the Xbox that like the triggers Sony will have those to on their controller and so now I guess people like all of these diffrent things and Sony is just taking what the consumer likes and putting it into one Console. I say thats genius.

[A.J.Rimmer(BSC)]

Whilst I am a fanboy, I od like to keep an open mind, however:-

- Whislt the price is expensive, surely the free online gaming will more than make up for this and prove to be more viable than a cheaper console with monthly installments.

- Fair enough, they stole the wii sensor controller idea, but to have a go at the logo/button...can anyone here think of a simpler way to access the OS?

Also both Nintendo (only slightly) and Microsoft (especially for the 360) stole the basic dual shock outlay, but I didn't hear any b*tchin' then.

[Spidey-Bat]

MGS fans will want to buy a Wii b/c Solid Snake will be in Super Smash Bros. Brawl

[hippie_hunter]

The original Xbox controller stole more from the dying Dreamcast than the Dual Shcok. The Xbox 360 controller was modified a tad bit more to make it more confortable for the hands. I find more confort in it than the Dual Shock to tell you the truth.

[hippie_hunter]

MGS fans will want to buy a Wii b/c Solid Snake will be in Super Smash Bro.s Brawl

I was already getting a Wii, but Snake being in the new Super Smash Bros sweetens the pot. Using CQC on Jigglypuff, badass :o

[Carter]

PS3 and Wii for me.

[Iceman]

PS3 and Wii for me.

Rich ******* ;)

I think I'd do the same if I had the cash.

[Mentok]

Whilst I am a fanboy, I od like to keep an open mind, however:-

- Whislt the price is expensive, surely the free online gaming will more than make up for this and prove to be more viable than a cheaper console with monthly installments.

There is no proof that the service will be free (other than sony saying it and it was only said to try and trump Xbox Live). Its just more hype from sony that will turn out to be crap.



- Fair enough, they stole the wii sensor controller idea, but to have a go at the logo/button...can anyone here think of a simpler way to access the OS?

From the pause menu.

Also both Nintendo (only slightly) and Microsoft (especially for the 360) stole the basic dual shock outlay, but I didn't hear any b*tchin' then.

No, Nintendo used a totally different vibration mechanic. Microsoft did steal it. SONY had also stolen it from another company.

[XwolverineX]

So It looks like 360eee and wiiiii for meeeee?? With no Ps3eeee??

[Horrorfan]

I truly believe that either 360 or Wii have a chance this generation.Let's not understimate the stupidity of the sony whores out there who will buy whatever they crap out though. I still think they have a large chance to come out on top, but they definitly just gave real hope to Nintendo and 360. I see 360 coming out on top simply because Nintendo might struggle to break their image, but on the other hand the control does seem like a great, fantastic idea....It's hard to predict who would win, but I do say Sony messed up almost a sure thing.

[XwolverineX]

I don't know man. The general statement in my area is " PS3? **** that **** yo, I'm getting a 360! " And then I'm tell them all about the Wii, and then they're like " And also I'm getting a Wii for christmas!! "


It's hilarious. :D

[Horrorfan]

I don't know man. The general statement in my area is " PS3? **** that **** yo, I'm getting a 360! " And then I'm tell them all about the Wii, and then they're like " And also I'm getting a Wii for christmas!! "


It's hilarious. :D


How did sony **** this one up so bad?


I realised though that so far it seems to be the trend for a company to be on top for about two generations.....ninty had nes and supernes beforoe n64 lost out to psone. and sony had psone and ps2 untill the disaster that seems to be PS3. You don't need both a 360, ps3 and a wii....I want a wii to go with my 360. I will probably wait to see how the controller comes off for wii, but my interest is pisuqed. i am so glad i brought a 360 though. I just hope people see sony for what they are and wont be stupid enough to give in to it.

I do feel sorry for the metal gear fans though...i know how it is to have to buy a more or less crappy console for a series of games (cube for re). But at least that didnt cost 600 bucks.

[Mr. Credible]

heh... so now that the PS3 is $600 dollars, that makes is a 'crappy console'?

it's still all around a better console then the 360 and wii, it just costs more.

[Horrorfan]

heh... so now that the PS3 is $600 dollars, that makes is a 'crappy console'?

it's still all around a better console then the 360 and wii, it just costs more.
It's crappy because it has little to no good games for it thus far, just ultra generic crap. It's more or less just as powerful as a 360, just with lamer games and a much higher price tag. It took some good elements from the other consoles and half assed them.If you're still willing to pay for it, can I interest you in a solar powered torch I have for sale?

[ToddIsDead]

I've pretty much lost all interest in the PS3 at this point. Maybe when the price goes down drastically and I see some interesting exclusive games, I may consider getting one. For now it's just my lovely 360 and probably a Wii when that comes out too.

[A.J.Rimmer(BSC)]

There is no proof that the service will be free (other than sony saying it and it was only said to try and trump Xbox Live). Its just more hype from sony that will turn out to be crap.

Whilst that may fall through, at the moment can only believe their hype. After all, why f**k up your biggest selling point?

From the pause menu.

I feel that wouldn't work. Some games have big enough pause menus as it is. To add the OS button to a list would be impractical, and remove the player from the games world.


No, Nintendo used a totally different vibration mechanic. Microsoft did steal it. SONY had also stolen it from another company.

I wasn't talkin' aboot the vibration, I was talkin aboot the diamond formation for the yellow buttons. I can't remember who used analogues first though. My point was everyone steals from everyone else. Without such cannabalism, there would be no advancements in the future....



Also, I'm really glad they dropped the Boomerang. I like the convex sticks as well, sorry Mentok. Anyone else notice the more trigger like L2/R2 buttons?

[Mr. Credible]

yeah, i really like the new controller. especially the fact that you can recharge it through the PS3 and the gyro-whatsit in it could probably be implemented to use with the camera movements in most games, leaving the right analogue stick free for whatever.

[Mr. Credible]

and i think people complain too much about Sony stealing from the competition, honestly, everyone does it. does that make it right? no. but i wish people would stop acting like Sony's the only one doing it.

[TheCardPlayer]

Wii really impressed me far more then I expected. I think they won E3.

Sony? Killed themselves right there. I think I know two people who still want one.

[hippie_hunter]

Sony this was far more impressive than Microsoft. But it's not really Microsoft's fault, the Xbox 360 is already out compared to the Wii and the Playstation 3. I think that the Playstation 3 will end up in first place just like the Playstation and Playstation 2 but a much, much, slimmer lead. The battle for second place on the other hand will either go between the Wii or the Xbox 360.

Most of the b***hing about the Playstation 3 has resulted from it's extravagant price.

But I do have to agree with you CardPlayer, the Wii is the definite winner this E3. Nintendo pwned Sony and Microsoft this year.

[hippie_hunter]

http://chunkps3.ytmnd.com/

[TheCardPlayer]

Sony this was far more impressive than Microsoft. But it's not really Microsoft's fault, the Xbox 360 is already out compared to the Wii and the Playstation 3. I think that the Playstation 3 will end up in first place just like the Playstation and Playstation 2 but a much, much, slimmer lead. The battle for second place on the other hand will either go between the Wii or the Xbox 360.

Most of the b***hing about the Playstation 3 has resulted from it's extravagant price.

But I do have to agree with you CardPlayer, the Wii is the definite winner this E3. Nintendo pwned Sony and Microsoft this year.PS2 got the first place thanks to their price.

Now they are the new 3DO. They will never sell like they did before. A boatload of people jumped ship. NeoGAF previously Sony Central is now freaking Wii60 central. Sony suicided at this E3. No way they won.

1Up ragged on Sony, Gamespot ragged on Sony, IGN ragged on Sony, Gamespy declared MS winners.

No way Sony won. I had finally decided to get one but they freaking killed their sell in the egg.

[ToddIsDead]

http://chunkps3.ytmnd.com/
I chuckled.

[kytrigger]

Sony this was far more impressive than Microsoft. But it's not really Microsoft's fault, the Xbox 360 is already out compared to the Wii and the Playstation 3. I think that the Playstation 3 will end up in first place just like the Playstation and Playstation 2 but a much, much, slimmer lead. The battle for second place on the other hand will either go between the Wii or the Xbox 360.

Most of the b***hing about the Playstation 3 has resulted from it's extravagant price.

But I do have to agree with you CardPlayer, the Wii is the definite winner this E3. Nintendo pwned Sony and Microsoft this year.

I agree, I still think Sony will end up "winning" the console race, but they won't take the lead until the price comes down in a year or two. It will be very close, which is a very good thing for gamers. Stronger competition means stronger games for each system. Microsoft and Sony will both try to beat each other with better games, and third party developers will most likely release more great games onto all consoles instead of just exclusives to teh clear winner of the console race.

As for who won, for me it's hard to say. I agree with one of the IGN editors completely when he said that Nintendo's conference was definately the best to watch, but they screwed up by not giving us importanat info like price and release date of the Wii. Sony's Conference gave us all the info we could ever want on the system (whether it was good or bad) but was boring as hell. And Mircrosoft was just solid all around. I don't think Microfsoft could really "win" this E3 just because they don't have a new system coming out. They are showing some great games, but those will always take a back seat other companies revealing new information on their next system.

[hippie_hunter]

PS2 got the first place thanks to their price.
Also the Playstation 2 got first place because of it's DVD player and the games

Now they are the new 3DO. They will never sell like they did before. A boatload of people jumped ship. NeoGAF previously Sony Central is now freaking Wii60 central. Sony suicided at this E3. No way they won.
Unlike the 3DO, the Playstation 3 actually has good games.

1Up ragged on Sony, Gamespot ragged on Sony, IGN ragged on Sony, Gamespy declared MS winners.
They're mostly ragging on Sony's outrageous price. And Microsoft definetly came in 3rd this year.

No way Sony won. I had finally decided to get one but they freaking killed their sell in the egg.
Again, the main problem is the price, here's to hoping that Sony will listen like they did with the Batarang controller and drop the price by at least $100.

[hippie_hunter]

I agree, I still think Sony will end up "winning" the console race, but they won't take the lead until the price comes down in a year or two. It will be very close, which is a very good thing for gamers. Stronger competition means stronger games for each system. Microsoft and Sony will both try to beat each other with better games, and third party developers will most likely release more great games onto all consoles instead of just exclusives to teh clear winner of the console race.
Agreed, this generation is going to have a slim margin between the victor, second place, and third place.

As for who won, for me it's hard to say. I agree with one of the IGN editors completely when he said that Nintendo's conference was definately the best to watch, but they screwed up by not giving us importanat info like price and release date of the Wii. Sony's Conference gave us all the info we could ever want on the system (whether it was good or bad) but was boring as hell. And Mircrosoft was just solid all around. I don't think Microfsoft could really "win" this E3 just because they don't have a new system coming out. They are showing some great games, but those will always take a back seat other companies revealing new information on their next system.
Nintendo easily pwned Sony and Microsoft, and you are right. Without a new system to show, it was impossible for Microsoft to win.

[Horrorfan]

I think that the Playstation 3 will end up in first place just like the Playstation and Playstation 2 but a much, much, slimmer lead. The battle for second place on the other hand will either go between the Wii or the Xbox 360.

Most of the b***hing about the Playstation 3 has resulted from it's extravagant price.

But I do have to agree with you CardPlayer, the Wii is the definite winner this E3. Nintendo pwned Sony and Microsoft this year.


The only thing I will say about PS3 is there are ALOT Of idiots out there, that's the only way PS3 will take first place.

I kinda hope the public will have more common sense this time...

But I learned to NEVER underestimate public stupidity :up:

[hippie_hunter]

The only thing I will say about PS3 is there are ALOT Of idiots out there, that's the only way PS3 will take first place.

I kinda hope the public will have more common sense this time...

But I learned to NEVER underestimate public stupidity :up:

That is also correct, but there is also Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy on the console, system sellers for the Playstation brand, just like Halo is for the Xbox, and Mario and the Legend of Zelda is for Nintendo. Despite what you may say about Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy, they will sell Playstation 3s.

[TheCardPlayer]

The only thing I will say about PS3 is there are ALOT Of idiots out there, that's the only way PS3 will take first place.

I kinda hope the public will have more common sense this time...

But I learned to NEVER underestimate public stupidity :up:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12694724


Looking at this poll, people came to their sense.

[Mentok]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12694724


Looking at this poll, people came to their sense.

Not a scientific survey. Click to learn more. Results may not total 100% due to rounding.

[Horrorfan]

That is also correct, but there is also Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy on the console, system sellers for the Playstation brand, just like Halo is for the Xbox, and Mario and the Legend of Zelda is for Nintendo. Despite what you may say about Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy, they will sell Playstation 3s.


I will say that it's a pretty dumb fan base that would pay $600 JUST to play one game, more or less. I don't mean that to come off as insulting, but that's just being duped by the corporations, and probably shows weak will.

Don't get me wrong, Im a HUGE fan of some games, but that is way too much.

If you're being honest, sony has what, two good games (and thats if your fans of mgs and ff).

I don't buy any console for franchises (aside from ps1 for alien trilogy and even then there were other games I wanted), but the games avalible. And on that note, as well as price, sony has flopped imo.

[TheCardPlayer]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/11/AR2006051100612.html


Like Peter Moore says here.

Why buy a PS3 when you could get a 360 AND a Revolution. It's a Wii60 alliance. And it's catching on! Even on GameFaqs.

[Mr. Credible]

i have a feeling Sony will lower the price after the unanimously bad reaction to it... like they did with the 'boomerang'. even if they do take a hit in the pockets, they'll move SO MANY more consoles... i'd say at least double the amount they would with a $600 PS3.

[Mr. Credible]

not to mention, they'll put alot more BluRay players in more houses if they lower their price tag... helping out their foothold in the new generation of dvd formats.

[hippie_hunter]

I will say that it's a pretty dumb fan base that would pay $600 JUST to play one game, more or less. I don't mean that to come off as insulting, but that's just being duped by the corporations, and probably shows weak will.

Don't get me wrong, Im a HUGE fan of some games, but that is way too much.

If you're being honest, sony has what, two good games (and thats if your fans of mgs and ff).

I don't buy any console for franchises (aside from ps1 for alien trilogy and even then there were other games I wanted), but the games avalible. And on that note, as well as price, sony has flopped imo.

I bought a Gamecube just for Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes and ended up buying a library of Gamecube games almost as big as my Playstation 2 library. My Gamecube was the best purchase ever.

But there's a reason why Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, the Legend of Zelda, Halo, Super Smash Bros. and Mario are called system sellers, because they help sell the system to people.

I am going to get a Playstation 3, but definetly not at launch, I will get one when Metal Gear Solid 4 comes out. Then after that I'll build upon my Playstation 3 library with games such as Resistance: Fall of Man, the untitled Naughty Dog game, Grand Theft Auto IV, Resident Evil 5 (if a Wii version is not made), and other games that will be good.

Sony however needs to fix that price. They probally realised by now that the gamming public is denouncing them for that outrageous price. Just like the Batarang controller, I somewhat expect them to do something about it to calm down pissed off people.

[hippie_hunter]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/11/AR2006051100612.html


Like Peter Moore says here.

Why buy a PS3 when you could get a 360 AND a Revolution. It's a Wii60 alliance. And it's catching on! Even on GameFaqs.

He makes a very good point. I find it funny though that Microsoft is actually siding with Nintendo. And that article is giving me hope that Microsoft will just end up dropping the Japanese market.

[Horrorfan]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/11/AR2006051100612.html


Like Peter Moore says here.

Why buy a PS3 when you could get a 360 AND a Revolution. It's a Wii60 alliance. And it's catching on! Even on GameFaqs.
I said that in another thread...he's right. I mean thats what I think...I can get a 360 (which is more or less the same as a ps3 , with superior games to boot) AND a wii, AND games for both than I can for PS3. Imagine if Nintendo and 360 co-operated on some games....wow. Credible, I thought about that too...I mean they MUST be aware of the backlash. Even though I think the games suck ass, maybe people who are dazzled by brands would buy one at a cheaper price.....but then again, it depends on how greedy they are, and if they want to take even more of a hit.

[kytrigger]

I will say that it's a pretty dumb fan base that would pay $600 JUST to play one game, more or less. I don't mean that to come off as insulting, but that's just being duped by the corporations, and probably shows weak will.

Don't get me wrong, Im a HUGE fan of some games, but that is way too much.

If you're being honest, sony has what, two good games (and thats if your fans of mgs and ff).

I don't buy any console for franchises (aside from ps1 for alien trilogy and even then there were other games I wanted), but the games avalible. And on that note, as well as price, sony has flopped imo.

Well, it probably wouldn't be for just one or two games. Those are system selling games, but it won't be the only good games on the PS3. People are going to be wanting a PS3 more and more when they see some of the games and then the System sellers will come out and it will finally push people over the edge and they will give in and buy the system.

I think the smartest thing Sony could do (besides lowering the price now and putting more stuff in the 20gb version) would be to simultaneously lower the price of the PS3 and debut a system seller at once. I know a lot of people who would definately consider buying a PS3 with a 100 dollar drop and Final Fantasy 13 or God of War 3 on the shelves.

[hippie_hunter]

What Sony needs to do is announce a $100 price drop by TGS.

[Horrorfan]

I bought a Gamecube just for Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes and ended up buying a library of Gamecube games almost as big as my Playstation 2 library. My Gamecube was the best purchase ever.

But there's a reason why Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, the Legend of Zelda, Halo, Super Smash Bros. and Mario are called system sellers, because they help sell the system to people.

I am going to get a Playstation 3, but definetly not at launch, I will get one when Metal Gear Solid 4 comes out. Then after that I'll build upon my Playstation 3 library with games such as Resistance: Fall of Man, the untitled Naughty Dog game, Grand Theft Auto IV, Resident Evil 5 (if a Wii version is not made), and other games that will be good.

Sony however needs to fix that price. They probally realised by now that the gamming public is denouncing them for that outrageous price. Just like the Batarang controller, I somewhat expect them to do something about it to calm down pissed off people.


I told a lie before....I brought a gamecube for the res evil series (but i did get eternal darkness too). but aside from those, the gamecube is easily the worst console I think I have ever owned, because I own literally no other games. But even then, it was super cheap.

I do feel sorry for you. You're a good guy, and I know what its like to be an uber fan, and it seems like you're more or less being forced to buy a ps3. I mean honestly without metal gear would you buy one?

The way I see it, all of PS3's best games are gonna be on x box 360, and with more downloadable content to boot. Im not a mgs or ff fan though.

Like I said to credible, sony MIGHT take down the price but i doubt it....they have been saying forever how it would be expensive and how its literally as cheap as they can make it. Ironic that blu ray is probably the thing thats holding them down after all the hype.

[hippie_hunter]

I told a lie before....I brought a gamecube for the res evil series (but i did get eternal darkness too). but aside from those, the gamecube is easily the worst console I think I have ever owned, because I own literally no other games. But even then, it was super cheap.
HA HA!

I do feel sorry for you. You're a good guy, and I know what its like to be an uber fan, and it seems like you're more or less being forced to buy a ps3. I mean honestly without metal gear would you buy one?
The answer is: no I wouldn't :o

Not even my favorite Sony developers: Santa Monica, Naughty Dog, and Insomnaic could justify a $600 price tag. Even Metal Gear can't, but that's the only console that Metal Gear will end up on :(

Even if Metal Gear went multiplatform, I'd still get the Playstation version because I can still play my Metal Gear Solid 2 and Metal Gear Solid 3 on the Playstation 3, unlike the Xbox 360.

The way I see it, all of PS3's best games are gonna be on x box 360, and with more downloadable content to boot. Im not a mgs or ff fan though.
Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy are not going to end up on the Xbox 360, and the downloadable content will probally end up being sold on both Xbox Live and the Playstation Network Platform.

Like I said to credible, sony MIGHT take down the price but i doubt it....they have been saying forever how it would be expensive and how its literally as cheap as they can make it. Ironic that blu ray is probably the thing thats holding them down after all the hype.
Agreed

[DarthRekal]

:up: i agree with cardplayer on the alliance thing...thats what im looking at...


and hippie you're right..if it drops its price and takesa an initial hit sony can come out BIG...... both in the console and next gen movie stronghold!:eek: ..but i doubt they do....


you guys are failing to realize the true swing!..... nintendo is spot on..in saying they are attracting the CASUAL gamer.... those that buy console just for games that wouldnt normally buy consoles.... price and games usually matter to them..and its usually parents buying for CHILDREN.... this leads me to believe the wii will fair WELL this round.... while the 360 and ps3 will still sell its only us HARDCORE internet geeks that really know WHY we are buying them... the vast public.... doesnt care for the same stuff we do...you forget the is an OIL crisis too.... why pay 600$ on something if you/re not getting free gas?????:confused:

[kytrigger]

:up: i agree with cardplayer on the alliance thing...thats what im looking at...


and hippie you're right..if it drops its price and takesa an initial hit sony can come out BIG...... both in the console and next gen movie stronghold!:eek: ..but i doubt they do....


you guys are failing to realize the true swing!..... nintendo is spot on..in saying they are attracting the CASUAL gamer.... those that buy console just for games that wouldnt normally buy consoles.... price and games usually matter to them..and its usually parents buying for CHILDREN.... this leads me to believe the wii will fair WELL this round.... while the 360 and ps3 will still sell its only us HARDCORE internet geeks that really know WHY we are buying them... the vast public.... doesnt care for the same stuff we do...you forget the is an OIL crisis too.... why pay 600$ on something if you/re not getting free gas?????:confused:

I see what you are saying, but it could go both ways for the Wii. They might attract the casual gamer with their new style, OR they could alienate them. Generally speaking, I have found most masses to dislike drastic change. Honestly, I could see it going either way for the Wii.

[DarthRekal]

I see what you are saying, but it could go both ways for the Wii. They might attract the casual gamer with their new style, OR they could alienate them. Generally speaking, I have found most masses to dislike drastic change. Honestly, I could see it going either way for the Wii.
i agree on the drastic change thing which is why im more keen to think hd dvd will win out over blu ray ... at the same time the casual gamer...doesnt know about the changes at all..... they arent gonna spend 600 dollars just for a game system...they will spend 100 or 200 which is about how much a wii will cost...the experience either way will be new to them....

[XwolverineX]

A price drop would be awesome. But I still can't afford a new system like PS3 for awhile.

[GoldenAgeHero]

:up: i agree with cardplayer on the alliance thing...thats what im looking at...


and hippie you're right..if it drops its price and takesa an initial hit sony can come out BIG...... both in the console and next gen movie stronghold!:eek: ..but i doubt they do....


you guys are failing to realize the true swing!..... nintendo is spot on..in saying they are attracting the CASUAL gamer.... those that buy console just for games that wouldnt normally buy consoles.... price and games usually matter to them..and its usually parents buying for CHILDREN.... this leads me to believe the wii will fair WELL this round.... while the 360 and ps3 will still sell its only us HARDCORE internet geeks that really know WHY we are buying them... the vast public.... doesnt care for the same stuff we do...you forget the is an OIL crisis too.... why pay 600$ on something if you/re not getting free gas?????:confused:

yeah i can tell not pany parents are gonna buy a ps3 and even if they did drop the price theyll be hit hard in the pockets, eventhough you guys are saying the units will fly off shelves..well guess what? theyre gonna take a harder hit, demand and supply my friend.in the end it wont event matter at how much units PS3 sells,its gonna be about profit, and i bet nintendo will make more money.


the wii will be sucessful,i doubt anyone cares about drastic change much, they'll go with the flow because curousity are eating them up inside.

[Danalys]

i've been thinking about last years E3. considering sony's time to launch is the same as microsoft's was to launch from last years E3. who thinks microsoft had a better E3 last year than sony did this year. who had more games demoed live in a better state. other than the high price reveal i think sony did far better.

and comparing this E3 to each other it's FF13 and MGS4 verses Halo 3 when looking towards the future with regards to graphics.

[kytrigger]

i've been thinking about last years E3. considering sony's time to launch is the same as microsoft's was to launch from last years E3. who thinks microsoft had a better E3 last year than sony did this year. who had more games demoed live in a better state. other than the high price reveal i think sony did far better.

and comparing this E3 to each other it's FF13 and MGS4 verses Halo 3 when looking towards the future with regards to graphics.

Very good points. I hadn't thought of comparing Sony's show this year to Microsoft's show last year.

[Strgts]

I think I am going to skip the PS3 for the time being. Don't get me wrong I love all 3 Companies making these Systems & Games. But nothing about the PS3 is WOW to me & I do not plan on upgrading from DVD any time soon so I do not need or give a damn about HD or Blu-Ray at this time & I will not for a while & since Sony will still be supporting the PS2 for a long while even after the PS3 hits I see no reason to upgrade. I love my PS2, I love the Cube (but Wii is a very big step up) & I will love Wii. I am not a Fan Boy of either Company like I said I love all 3 Companies. But I am just not as excited about the PS3 especially with the half a Thousand Dollar Price. Nintendo Wii here I come. Nintendo is going to have what over 20 Games at Launch ? & there are going to be some amazing looking 360 Games also coming out. Why save up to almost a Thousand Dollars for a System & One or Two Games when I can save up to 600 bucks for a System & more then 3 Games for Two Systems ? Sony is going to bomb with the PS3.

[Spidey-Bat]

We're not sure if the 27 games Reggie mentioned were all launch titles. Metroid Prime 3, Twilight Princess, Red Steel, Wii Games, and Super Mario Galaxy are all confirmed for launch (that I recall. I know there is more). Plus there will be tons of other games available on Virtual Console.

[Strgts]

We're not sure if the 27 games Reggie mentioned were all launch titles. Metroid Prime 3, Twilight Princess, Red Steel, Wii Games, and Super Mario Galaxy are all confirmed for launch (that I recall. I know there is more). Plus there will be tons of other games available on Virtual Console.

27 Games or not nothing about the PS3 has me excited enough to want to go out & get it. I am definitely going for the Wii at first & also as you brung up the Virtual Console. I think with that $600 Price Tag & the ****ed up Core System the PS3 will pretty much bomb

[kytrigger]

We're not sure if the 27 games Reggie mentioned were all launch titles. Metroid Prime 3, Twilight Princess, Red Steel, Wii Games, and Super Mario Galaxy are all confirmed for launch (that I recall. I know there is more). Plus there will be tons of other games available on Virtual Console.

Galaxy isn't a launch title.

[Spidey-Bat]

The launch still rocks though. If Brawl was a launch title it would be god-awesome.

[DarthRekal]

I think I am going to skip the PS3 for the time being. Don't get me wrong I love all 3 Companies making these Systems & Games. But nothing about the PS3 is WOW to me & I do not plan on upgrading from DVD any time soon so I do not need or give a damn about HD or Blu-Ray at this time & I will not for a while & since Sony will still be supporting the PS2 for a long while even after the PS3 hits I see no reason to upgrade. I love my PS2, I love the Cube (but Wii is a very big step up) & I will love Wii. I am not a Fan Boy of either Company like I said I love all 3 Companies. But I am just not as excited about the PS3 especially with the half a Thousand Dollar Price. Nintendo Wii here I come. Nintendo is going to have what over 20 Games at Launch ? & there are going to be some amazing looking 360 Games also coming out. Why save up to almost a Thousand Dollars for a System & One or Two Games when I can save up to 600 bucks for a System & more then 3 Games for Two Systems ? Sony is going to bomb with the PS3. i have a feeling this will be the consensus..with most people....

[kytrigger]

The launch still rocks though. If Brawl was a launch title it would be god-awesome.

True, plus I think they said that Galaxy is expected within six months of launch, so still pretty soon.

[hippie_hunter]

The launch still rocks though. If Brawl was a launch title it would be god-awesome.

No, Nintendo has said if Super Mario Galaxy doesn't make launch, then it will be released within the first six months of system launch.

[Matt]

I guess you could say...that Sony got sOWNEDy. Hahahahaha....but then you'd be an ass hole :mad:

[Spidey-Bat]

No, Nintendo has said if Super Mario Galaxy doesn't make launch, then it will be released within the first six months of system launch.

I know. I saw the release as 2006 and thought it was launch. But the launch still looks good.

[StorminNorman]

I dont understand why people are saying that the price of the PS3 is making them move the 360 (the Wii I understand, but not the 360). The 360 is a 400 dollar machine, then if you want to fully utilize it you have to get live. You add up the monthly fee's for live and it is more expensive in the long run than the PS3. Then you add in the Blu-Ray player and you get a better value with the PS3 than you do the 360.

[hippie_hunter]

I dont understand why people are saying that the price of the PS3 is making them move the 360 (the Wii I understand, but not the 360). The 360 is a 400 dollar machine, then if you want to fully utilize it you have to get live. You add up the monthly fee's for live and it is more expensive in the long run than the PS3. Then you add in the Blu-Ray player and you get a better value with the PS3 than you do the 360.

Because nothing justify's a $600 price tag for a game console yet. Also Xbox Live is not needed to enjoy an Xbox 360.

Because of the price of the Playstation 3, I was forced to drop my purchase of an Xbox 360 for Playstation 3 (I need Metal Gear Solid 4).

A $400 price tag for the 20GB HD Playstation 3 and $500 for the $60GB HD Playstation 3 would have been much more acceptable and would have given Sony such a bad showing at this years E3. Sony has no choice but to lower the price just like they were forced to change the Batarang controller to the original Playstation controller design and add in a memory card reader for Playstation and Playstation 2 games.

[Mentok]

I dont understand why people are saying that the price of the PS3 is making them move the 360 (the Wii I understand, but not the 360). The 360 is a 400 dollar machine, then if you want to fully utilize it you have to get live. You add up the monthly fee's for live and it is more expensive in the long run than the PS3. Then you add in the Blu-Ray player and you get a better value with the PS3 than you do the 360.

Since when do you need LIVE to fully utilize X360?

Anyone who cant afford less than the price of a game for a full year of XBL Gold membership and the headset cant afford the PS3.

BR-DVD is pointless on the base system. PS3 live service will not be free. Its yet another stupid claim by SONY to try and trump Microsoft.

Look at how much they are making you pay for PS3, you really think they are going to turn around and offer a free online service that will cost hundreds of millions of dollars to them?

[Zenien]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?type=mov&id=10634

Stop it PS3. Stop showing me good things...

[Mentok]

GoW2 *drools*

[Mentok]

Oh crap! I gave my PS2 to my brother... I forgot all about GoW2.

I think I might have to get PS3 at launch now :( (or get a cheap used PS2)

[Zenien]

My honest advice about affording an over-priced PS3 if you really want to get one in the launch timeframe or before year 2:

Start saving now: Saving 10-20 (depending on your income) dollars a week(like putting it into a seperate account or whatever) = 270 dollars ($10/wk) or 540 ($20/wk) towards the system come November.

10 dollars less a week doesn't actually impact you that much at all. 20 dollars sure you notice it, but unless you are poor poor, you can get by fine without 20 extra dollars. I've stopped ordering from Subway every day when I'm at work now. I make my lunch and take it to work 3/5 days...

"I want people to think 'Ok, I'll just work more hours or cut back on my spending so I can afford the PS3, that is our goal'" Ken K about 9 months ago...

:eek:

**** YOU SONY! :mad:

*uses money for Revo!*

[Mentok]

Thats what I was going to do for Wii but I have other plans now...

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8791098&postcount=15690


:D

Wii is pretty cheap, I will just get that what whatever paycheck I get closest to the release date.


I think I will just get PS3 in a year or so.

[XwolverineX]

After the first price drop I'll get it.

[A.J.Rimmer(BSC)]

Me too

[TheCardPlayer]

6/10

MGS4 really helped them. That game is gorgeous. The best looking game at E3.

[DarthRekal]

Since when do you need LIVE to fully utilize X360?

Anyone who cant afford less than the price of a game for a full year of XBL Gold membership and the headset cant afford the PS3.

BR-DVD is pointless on the base system. PS3 live service will not be free. Its yet another stupid claim by SONY to try and trump Microsoft.

Look at how much they are making you pay for PS3, you really think they are going to turn around and offer a free online service that will cost hundreds of millions of dollars to them?

my thoughts exactly...norman ..obviously doesnt know that live is less than a game... for a year

[kytrigger]

I voted a 6/10. The Conference was boring as hell, but they at least gave us the information I wanted like prce and release date. And hinted at some cool capabilities (god I hope the online service is freee, although I'm not holding my breathe). Oh yeah, MGS4...

[XwolverineX]

5/10 - MGS4 gave it all 5 points too.

[Strgts]

After the first price drop I'll get it.

:up:

Or unless Sony sees all the NEGATIVE Buzz their plans are getting hopefully & if they make it cheaper I may change my mind but I doubt that will happen anytime sooon

[Benstamania]

5/10, just because I thought MGS4 was cool....

[StorminNorman]

Because nothing justify's a $600 price tag for a game console yet. Also Xbox Live is not needed to enjoy an Xbox 360.

Because of the price of the Playstation 3, I was forced to drop my purchase of an Xbox 360 for Playstation 3 (I need Metal Gear Solid 4).

A $400 price tag for the 20GB HD Playstation 3 and $500 for the $60GB HD Playstation 3 would have been much more acceptable and would have given Sony such a bad showing at this years E3. Sony has no choice but to lower the price just like they were forced to change the Batarang controller to the original Playstation controller design and add in a memory card reader for Playstation and Playstation 2 games.

The future of console gaming is online, that is obvious.

It is real easy for us to just throw down numbers saying that THIS is how much a PS3 should cost. The fact is that consoles loose money the first few years, by dropping the price another 100 dollars, that is losing another 100 million dollars for ever million units sold - Sony clearly decided that they can not afford those loses.

[StorminNorman]

Since when do you need LIVE to fully utilize X360?

Anyone who cant afford less than the price of a game for a full year of XBL Gold membership and the headset cant afford the PS3.

BR-DVD is pointless on the base system. PS3 live service will not be free. Its yet another stupid claim by SONY to try and trump Microsoft.

Look at how much they are making you pay for PS3, you really think they are going to turn around and offer a free online service that will cost hundreds of millions of dollars to them?

BR-DVD is not pointless, infact it is the reason I am getting a PS3. Not only does it mean high-def movies, but if gives game designers tons of disk room to make their games - it takes away limitations.

Yes, I think that the Sony market plan will be to charge the extra money upfront, and then offer free online service - that is truly the only way they can justify it to the average consumer.

[XwolverineX]

5/10, just because I thought MGS4 was cool....


Exactly the same mentallity as me. :D

[KALEL114]

yes sony's track record..lets list them..... betamax, minidiscs, memory sticks... all huge in the market... blu rays..will cost alot to make and you cant really burn from them..making "backup" discs will be obsolete... and if they were working on the controller along time..why did they unveil a BOOMERANG one..then ditch it!????
Perhaps it was just a concept. Perhaps that controller had what the real does just in a different shape. Do I know, no. Do you, no. Next.:)

[Matt]

7...MEtal Gear with character screen shots is more than enough to earn it that.

[Mentok]

BR-DVD is not pointless, infact it is the reason I am getting a PS3. Not only does it mean high-def movies, but if gives game designers tons of disk room to make their games - it takes away limitations.

The core system has no HDMI support. HD video is only over HDMI, thus Having BRDVD Video playback as one of teh selling features is pointless.

You do realise that even the largest of X360 games only take 3 to 4gb on a 9gb disc?

All this extra space is simply not needed, even if information was not compressed on the discs, you still have a huge ammount of space going to waste.

Yes, I think that the Sony market plan will be to charge the extra money upfront, and then offer free online service - that is truly the only way they can justify it to the average consumer.[/QUOTE]

Thats not how they are justifying the huge price, this is...

Price setting is always a headache for us. No game machines are comparable to the PS3, which is neither a genuine game console, home electronics [product] nor a personal computer. It is a new kind of product...

[It will be] consumers who decide whether it's expensive or cheap. If a product offers charm, then buyers will be convinced. - Ken Kutaragi

By calling it a supercomputer :down. Sorry Ken, buyers are not convinced.

[KALEL114]

The core system has no HDMI support. HD video is only over HDMI, thus Having BRDVD Video playback as one of teh selling features is pointless.

You do realise that even the largest of X360 games only take 3 to 4gb on a 9gb disc?

All this extra space is simply not needed, even if information was not compressed on the discs, you still have a huge ammount of space going to waste.

Yes, I think that the Sony market plan will be to charge the extra money upfront, and then offer free online service - that is truly the only way they can justify it to the average consumer.

Thats not how they are justifying the huge price, this is...

Price setting is always a headache for us. No game machines are comparable to the PS3, which is neither a genuine game console, home electronics [product] nor a personal computer. It is a new kind of product...

[It will be] consumers who decide whether it's expensive or cheap. If a product offers charm, then buyers will be convinced. - Ken Kutaragi

By calling it a supercomputer :down. Sorry Ken, buyers are not convinced.[/quote]
I'm glad you make it your point to speak for everyone. I will buy one and pretty sure a lot of others will to. We will see on November 17th.:)

[Mentok]

I'm glad you make it your point to speak for everyone. I will buy one and pretty sure a lot of others will to. We will see on November 17th.:)


When even the japanese are picking X360 over PS3 you know something is wrong. Even polls on Playstation forums clearly show that people willing to buy the system at that price are the minority.

[hippie_hunter]

When even the japanese are picking X360 over PS3 you know something is wrong.

Like I said, Sony is going to be forced to drop the price. Not even the Batarang and the lack of a memory card reader got this much negative reaction and even then Sony was forced to concede (the Batarang was reshaped into a design that is identical to the Dual Shock 2 and the 60GB HD Playstation 3 will have the memory card reader)

[DarthRekal]

Perhaps it was just a concept. Perhaps that controller had what the real does just in a different shape. Do I know, no. Do you, no. Next.:)

i got some land for sale on atlantis...and bush cares about black people...:)

[Mentok]

Like I said, Sony is going to be forced to drop the price.

No doubt. I would expect a drop as a result of public opinion from E3 (if they dont then I will be shocked), or it will come shortly after release when sales are slow.

[hippie_hunter]

i got some land for sale on atlantis...and bush cares about black people...:)

But George Bush does care about black people

http://bushcares.ytmnd.com/

[Zenien]

Originally Posted by Mentok
When even the japanese are picking X360 over PS3 you know something is wrong.

I honestly don't feel that the poll is a representative sample of how Japan will turn out, I mean I know it is a legitimate poll but I just don't see it.

What I do see is the Nintendo Wii doing very well, and probably being number one in Japan overall.

[Benstamania]

Japan hated the price of the 360 at launch, I doubt they rush out and buy a PS3. There will be a FEW people who do, saying that PS3's won't fly off the shelves in the first few days would be silly. After the "I have to have this for Christmas rush" bogs down......that's when Sony will be in trouble.

I believe that if Sony is FORCED to drop the price of the better PS3 to 499 or whatever that they could be all but sunk. They're probably going to lose money launching it at 600, dropping it another 100 would do major damage.

In the end, a lot of people will simply refuse to put 600 bucks down on a system. More so if the games are 70-80 each.

[Benstamania]

Famitsu Publisher Talks PS3 Game Pricing
August 30th, 2005 by Dan Posted in Playstation 3, PS3

At the CESA Developers Conference Hirokazu Hamamura, president of Enterbrain (publisher of Famitsu) talked about the price range of upcoming PS3 software. Much like Xbox and Xbox 360, he sees a significant price increase between PS2 and PS3. Hamamura-san forsees the cheapest PS3 software being at least $70 USD (EUR 57 / YEN 7,800) while the most expensive would be around $79 USD (EUR 65 / YEN 8,800). That will leave Canadian gamers paying $83-$94.

Perhaps Kutaragi was right and we should all just suck it up and get second jobs.

Props: Yasokiri (in Japan)

Update: This page is getting tons of hits right now, which is awesome. Thanks everyone! And by all means, please check out the rest of the site while you’re here. But to help my piddly server cope with traffic I’ve temporarily turned this page into static html which might cripple the comments section but it’s the best I can do.

Update 2: In reply to the 1up article stating that Japanese game prices are typically higher and that we shouldn’t be alarmed by this news, I would like point out the following. PS2 games in Japan currently have an average price of $58 - $62. When you compare that to the expected prices of PS3 games, you are looking at an $11 to $21 increase. Japan’s generally higher gamer prices acknowledged, a Japanese price increase of that magnitude will surely lead signifcantly higher game prices in North America and Europe as well.

[Mentok]

At the CESA Developers Conference Hirokazu Hamamura, president of Enterbrain (publisher of Famitsu) talked about the price range of upcoming PS3 software. Much like Xbox and Xbox 360, he sees a significant price increase between PS2 and PS3. Hamamura-san forsees the cheapest PS3 software being at least $70 USD (EUR 57 / YEN 7,800) while the most expensive would be around $79 USD (EUR 65 / YEN 8,800). That will leave Canadian gamers paying $83-$94.
(in Japan)


No big deal, at that price you will be paying what Australian gamers paid for xbox/ps2 games.

You would freak out of you paid what we pay for X360... (average price is AU$119.00, thats about US$91.00 :down )

Knowing Sony PS3 games will be AU$150 :( :down

[Danalys]

The core system has no HDMI support. HD video is only over HDMI, thus Having BRDVD Video playback as one of teh selling features is pointless.

You do realise that even the largest of X360 games only take 3 to 4gb on a 9gb disc?

All this extra space is simply not needed, even if information was not compressed on the discs, you still have a huge ammount of space going to waste.

Yes, I think that the Sony market plan will be to charge the extra money upfront, and then offer free online service - that is truly the only way they can justify it to the average consumer.

Thats not how they are justifying the huge price, this is...

Price setting is always a headache for us. No game machines are comparable to the PS3, which is neither a genuine game console, home electronics [product] nor a personal computer. It is a new kind of product...

[It will be] consumers who decide whether it's expensive or cheap. If a product offers charm, then buyers will be convinced. - Ken Kutaragi

By calling it a supercomputer :down. Sorry Ken, buyers are not convinced.

Blu-ray doesn't need HDMI. it can be shown over componant as long as a certain copy protection isn't utilised. most studios aren't using that copy protection untill quite a few years from now. with the ps3 the way it is they might all not use it.

as for the computer comments all ps3s will have linux installed and allow you to program for it. with internet access you could d/l programs others have written. but then it has the XMB giving simple access to common media playing capabilities and game related settings to keep things simple for those that want it simple.

as for future disk space requirements i'd wait and see on that one.

[XwolverineX]

Thats not how they are justifying the huge price, this is...

Price setting is always a headache for us. No game machines are comparable to the PS3, which is neither a genuine game console, home electronics [product] nor a personal computer. It is a new kind of product...

[It will be] consumers who decide whether it's expensive or cheap. If a product offers charm, then buyers will be convinced. - Ken Kutaragi

By calling it a supercomputer :down. Sorry Ken, buyers are not convinced. I'm glad you make it your point to speak for everyone. I will buy one and pretty sure a lot of others will to. We will see on November 17th.:)[/quote]


You're a retard. He does speak for everyone, 'cause Sony is crazy.

[hippie_hunter]

Japan hated the price of the 360 at launch, I doubt they rush out and buy a PS3. There will be a FEW people who do, saying that PS3's won't fly off the shelves in the first few days would be silly. After the "I have to have this for Christmas rush" bogs down......that's when Sony will be in trouble.

I believe that if Sony is FORCED to drop the price of the better PS3 to 499 or whatever that they could be all but sunk. They're probably going to lose money launching it at 600, dropping it another 100 would do major damage.

In the end, a lot of people will simply refuse to put 600 bucks down on a system. More so if the games are 70-80 each.

No, Japan hates the Xbox 360 because they hate the Xbox 360 brand. Hopefully Microsoft will just give up on the region and concentrate on North America, Europe and Australia.

[XwolverineX]

No, Japan hates the Xbox 360 because they hate the Xbox 360 brand. Hopefully Microsoft will just give up on the region and concentrate on North America, Europe and Australia.


QFT


Japan is anti-microsoft, Sony and Nintendo fan boy's 4Life. It's got nothin' to do with price.

[Mentok]

QFT


Japan is anti-microsoft, Sony and Nintendo fan boy's 4Life. It's got nothin' to do with price.

No, Japan is not anti Microsoft. Japan is very pro Microsoft (Just look at the damn 'OS-Tan' craze).

Japan are against M$ trying to beat them in video game consoles though. This is slowly changing now that Japan has started to accept the Xbox a little more.

[XwolverineX]

No, Japan is not anti Microsoft. Japan is very pro Microsoft (Just look at the damn 'OS-Tan' craze).

Japan are against M$ trying to beat them in video game consoles though. This is slowly changing now that Japan has started to accept the Xbox a little more.

Don't get logical with me you Australian! Fine they're anti-Xbox. :o

[hippie_hunter]

No, Japan is not anti Microsoft. Japan is very pro Microsoft (Just look at the damn 'OS-Tan' craze).

Japan are against M$ trying to beat them in video game consoles though. This is slowly changing now that Japan has started to accept the Xbox a little more.

No they haven't. The Xbox 360 is on track on doing worse than the original Xbox. The recent poll shows that Japanese are very pissed at Sony for the price.

[KALEL114]

I'm glad you make it your point to speak for everyone. I will buy one and pretty sure a lot of others will to. We will see on November 17th.:)


You're a retard. He does speak for everyone, 'cause Sony is crazy.[/quote]
You are a little b**ch. And he doesn't.:)

[Lacuna]

did sony really ripof nintendp

[Zenien]

Sort of, not really, in spirit maybe. The Rev controller is a pointer controller with a mic, rumble, and tilt sensors on each end I think for up/down on each side. Games can recognize guestures with the revmote in realtime just like the PS3 controller, but the technology is different.

The Sony controller has '3D' motion sensing, so angling the cntroller up would make a plane angle up in a flight game. That's all it has.

Same sort of "active motion" beyond pressing buttons, different approach.

[Lacuna]

I dont think of that as ripping off. sony was the first to have CDs, so byt hat logic nintendo and x-box ripped off sony. this is just the natural progression of the industry.

[Strgts]

This is slowly changing now that Japan has started to accept the Xbox a little more.

Microsoft can thank Sony for that. Especially now

[Zenien]

How is not doing half as well as the original Xbox 'accepting it a little more'? :confused:

[TheCardPlayer]

http://www.dubthis.net/test/fangirl.gif

[GoldenAgeHero]

I dont think of that as ripping off. sony was the first to have CDs, so byt hat logic nintendo and x-box ripped off sony. this is just the natural progression of the industry.


no, the use of cds is a natural progression,introducing CD's wasnt going to effect how you play a game.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Sort of, not really, in spirit maybe. The Rev controller is a pointer controller with a mic, rumble, and tilt sensors on each end I think for up/down on each side. Games can recognize guestures with the revmote in realtime just like the PS3 controller, but the technology is different.

The Sony controller has '3D' motion sensing, so angling the cntroller up would make a plane angle up in a flight game. That's all it has.

Same sort of "active motion" beyond pressing buttons, different approach.

thats exactly what the wiimote does andmore. it has 6 directions; up, down left, right,forward, backward and angles. so yes sony trie to steal it, but did a piss poor attempt. and ieven if they did,nintendo already has a patent on it, and many more patents, just incase sony tried to get slick and in this case they did and like i said piss poor attempt.

[XwolverineX]

You are a little b**ch. And he doesn't.:)

Great comeback. :confused:

[Mentok]

Don't get logical with me you Australian! Fine they're anti-Xbox. :o

Yeah, me and my wacky logic :up:

[Spidey-Bat]

No they haven't. The Xbox 360 is on track on doing worse than the original Xbox. The recent poll shows that Japanese are very pissed at Sony for the price.


Where do you find this out? I'm not questioning the facts, I'm just curious as to where this information is.

[Mentok]

hehehehhehe...


http://www.*********.com/files/room18/469927/dirty%20lies.jpg

[Horrorfan]

Haha Pwned :up:

[hey yo its sean]

Could be that the rest of the slots are behind a slip cover of some sort.

[Spidey-Bat]

I doubt it considering there's a vent right above them.

[Symbiotic Venom]

All I can say is. Sony might end up like Sega.

[Mentok]

SEGA are turning out to be one of the best developers IMO. I am impressed with the direction they are taking.

[Mentok]

http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/11/sony-continues-to-play-defense-over-ps3-pricing-hdmi/

'Core' PS3 will ship with wired controllers.

'Core' PS3 HDD is not upradeable.

[kytrigger]

http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/11/sony-continues-to-play-defense-over-ps3-pricing-hdmi/

'Core' PS3 will ship with wired controllers.

'Core' PS3 HDD is not upradeable.

Well that's stupid that the core HDD isn't upgradeable. Is it really that much more cost effective to not be able to remove a HDD and put another one in?

[Mentok]

Yeah. I hope its not the case though. Being stuck with a 20Gb HDD is pretty lame.

[THE LIZARD#1]

Yeah. I hope its not the case though. Being stuck with a 20Gb HDD is pretty lame.

Yeah I agree especially when you can purchase games over Sony's Online system and save them to your hard drive, you'll need all of the free space you can get:)

[THE LIZARD#1]

Phil Harrision confirms that they did not steal the idea from Nintendo that the idea of motion sensitivity has been in the works since 1996 when the PS one came out however they felt the technology was not there and that mass production would harm the selling of the system because Technology was not there.

I got this from Phil Harrison's E3 winner speech on IGN.

Apparently Sony won E3 again.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Phil Harrision confirms that they did not steal the idea from Nintendo that the idea of motion sensitivity has been in the works since 1996 when the PS one came out however they felt the technology was not there and that mass production would harm the selling of the system because Technology was not there.

I got this from Phil Harrison's E3 winner speech on IGN.

Apparently Sony won E3 again.

apparently they didnt. since 96 hunh?! yet they didnt even bother to put it in the ps2, yet they still put it on the PS3 controller, whatever you say harrison. the tech wasnt there?! yet nintendo got a hold of it?! hahahaha poor attempt. and of course sony is gonna deny bad publicity like that.

[Mentok]

Phil Harrision confirms that they did not steal the idea from Nintendo that the idea of motion sensitivity has been in the works since 1996 when the PS one came out however they felt the technology was not there and that mass production would harm the selling of the system because Technology was not there.

I got this from Phil Harrison's E3 winner speech on IGN.

Apparently Sony won E3 again.

He is full of it.

The Eurogamer interview with the warhawk developers shows that Sony only added the feature one and a half weeks before E3.

Its a last minute addition that they are trying to claim they thought of years ago.

[Spidey-Bat]

Phil Harrision confirms that they did not steal the idea from Nintendo that the idea of motion sensitivity has been in the works since 1996 when the PS one came out however they felt the technology was not there and that mass production would harm the selling of the system because Technology was not there.

I got this from Phil Harrison's E3 winner speech on IGN.

Apparently Sony won E3 again.

Oh yeah, they won E3 with their cheap price, incredible launch games, and innovative technology:rolleyes:

[THE LIZARD#1]

Dude no offense but everyone just needs to calm down about the freakin price jesus I'm pissed off to but man whining about its not going to do anything. Sony has like written that price in stone so everyone just needs to fork over the cash if they have it or save up like I have been doing for like a year, I started saving before I even knew the Sony price and I must say that has helped me out a crap load. I'm already at $791 of free money that is tucked away safely in the bank.

Also everyone thinks that Sony is going to lose this next generation because of their price think again. I went to gamestop today to pre-order my PS3 still no luck and I asked if I could put my cell phone number on the waiting list so they can call me when they are taking pre orders and they said sure. Luckily I asked like in Febuary so i'm like number 6 on the list but I asked them how many people are reserving the 600 console and the guy told me 74 people! Thats freakin $44,400 dollars Sony made in like one day!

[TheCardPlayer]

Phil Harrision confirms that they did not steal the idea from NintendoRight, and they magically added it two weeks before E3.

No stealing at all. It must be true if Sony says so!

[Spidey-Bat]

Dude no offense but everyone just needs to calm down about the freakin price jesus I'm pissed off to but man whining about its not going to do anything. Sony has like written that price in stone so everyone just needs to fork over the cash if they have it or save up like I have been doing for like a year, I started saving before I even knew the Sony price and I must say that has helped me out a crap load. I'm already at $791 of free money that is tucked away safely in the bank.

That's rather pathetic. Some of us put money in the bank for college, grad school, a car, or house. You're putting it in for a console. Tells us how big a fanboy you are and where your priorities in life are. Many of us don't want to spend $600 for a console. We want the most for our money and Wii and 360 give us that.

Also everyone thinks that Sony is going to lose this next generation because of their price think again. I went to gamestop today to pre-order my PS3 still no luck and I asked if I could put my cell phone number on the waiting list so they can call me when they are taking pre orders and they said sure. Luckily I asked like in Febuary so i'm like number 6 on the list but I asked them how many people are reserving the 600 console and the guy told me 74 people! Thats freakin $44,400 dollars Sony made in like one day!

$44,400 is nothing to Sony. 74 people isn't even a lot. That's less people that are on this forum. Compare that to how many people pre-ordered a 360 and will pre-order a Wii. Regardless of how many people are buying it, Sony is still losing a substantial amount of money. They are also trying to provide PS3's to 3 huge markets in 7 days. Chances are they will fail like Microsoft.

[Lacuna]

http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/11/sony-continues-to-play-defense-over-ps3-pricing-hdmi/

'Core' PS3 will ship with wired controllers.

'Core' PS3 HDD is not upradeable.
damn, sony just making the hole deeper and deeper

[GoldenAgeHero]

That's rather pathetic. Some of us put money in the bank for college, grad school, a car, or house. You're putting it in for a console. Tells us how big a fanboy you are and where your priorities in life are. Many of us don't want to spend $600 for a console. We want the most for our money and Wii and 360 give us that.



$44,400 is nothing to Sony. 74 people isn't even a lot. That's less people that are on this forum. Compare that to how many people pre-ordered a 360 and will pre-order a Wii. Regardless of how many people are buying it, Sony is still losing a substantial amount of money. They are also trying to provide PS3's to 3 huge markets in 7 days. Chances are they will fail like Microsoft.


sony isvery likel;y tofail at making a profit. first they have to meet supply demands,which puts them at a stance, when you consider how much money they would have to fork over and would have to worry about making that money back, because theres bound to be left over supply.

[hippie_hunter]

Phil Harrision confirms that they did not steal the idea from Nintendo that the idea of motion sensitivity has been in the works since 1996 when the PS one came out however they felt the technology was not there and that mass production would harm the selling of the system because Technology was not there.

I got this from Phil Harrison's E3 winner speech on IGN.

Apparently Sony won E3 again.

Dude, Sony takes whatever great idea another company has: the rumble feature, tilt technology, Xbox Live, third party companies, etc.

Unlike last year, Sony definetly did not win this years E3. The obvious victor was Nintendo. I give Sony a disputed second place. They would have had a definte second if it weren't for the god damn price tag. It's rediculous. The only reasons why Sony has second place instead of third this year are because of Metal Gear Solid 4 and changing the controller to the traditional Dual Shock design and getting rid of the Batarang controller.

[hippie_hunter]

Dude no offense but everyone just needs to calm down about the freakin price jesus I'm pissed off to but man whining about its not going to do anything. Sony has like written that price in stone so everyone just needs to fork over the cash if they have it or save up like I have been doing for like a year, I started saving before I even knew the Sony price and I must say that has helped me out a crap load. I'm already at $791 of free money that is tucked away safely in the bank.
This price is not going to be set in stone. The reaction is far too negative towards it. Sony is going to have no choice but to lower it by $100. The price is not the only thing that is hurting the Playstation 3: the apparent launch line-up that is as mediocre as the Xbox 360's.

Also everyone thinks that Sony is going to lose this next generation because of their price think again. I went to gamestop today to pre-order my PS3 still no luck and I asked if I could put my cell phone number on the waiting list so they can call me when they are taking pre orders and they said sure. Luckily I asked like in Febuary so i'm like number 6 on the list but I asked them how many people are reserving the 600 console and the guy told me 74 people! Thats freakin $44,400 dollars Sony made in like one day!
I still think that Sony will end up winning the console war for the new generation, but it's margin won't be as big as it was this generation. The Playstation has several brand titles that are what makes it big: Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, Devil May Cry, God of War, and Grand Theft Auto (despite being multiplatform). The main competition in my opinion will be the race for second place between Microsoft's Xbox 360 and Nintendo's Wii, despite Microsoft endorsing the Wii.

[hippie_hunter]

damn, sony just making the hole deeper and deeper

Don't forget that the $500 version lacks a memory card reader, unlike the $600 version. So if you want to play your saved games on the Playstation 3, you'd have to get the $600 model. :down

[Spidey-Bat]

I still think that Sony will end up winning the console war for the new generation, but it's margin won't be as big as it was this generation. The Playstation has several brand titles that are what makes it big: Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, Devil May Cry, God of War, and Grand Theft Auto (despite being multiplatform). The main competition in my opinion will be the race for second place between Microsoft's Xbox 360 and Nintendo's Wii, despite Microsoft endorsing the Wii.

Even if Sony wins, they'll have lost so much money it won't mean anything. I highly doubt Sony will win due the incredible amount of positivie reaction from the Wii and the significantly lower prices of their rivals. Even if they lower it $100 (and lose $100 on top of the substantial amount already), $400 and $500 is still pretty costly when the competitiors will be $200 to $300 (360's price is likely to drop at PS3's launch). They also lack a strong launch, and MGS4 alone cannot boost sales. Halo could for Xbox because it was a brand new FPS. MGS4 is the same old MGS with new graphics and story.

[hippie_hunter]

Even if Sony wins, they'll have lost so much money it won't mean anything.
True, sorta like the meaning of the Xbox's second place this generation.

I highly doubt Sony will win due the incredible amount of positivie reaction from the Wii and the significantly lower prices of their rivals. Even if they lower it $100 (and lose $100 on top of the substantial amount already), $400 and $500 is still pretty costly when the competitios will be $200 to $300 (360's price is likely to drop at PS3's launch).
True, but it's just a feeling I have.

[hey yo its sean]

Even if Sony wins, they'll have lost so much money it won't mean anything. I highly doubt Sony will win due the incredible amount of positivie reaction from the Wii and the significantly lower prices of their rivals. Even if they lower it $100 (and lose $100 on top of the substantial amount already), $400 and $500 is still pretty costly when the competitiors will be $200 to $300 (360's price is likely to drop at PS3's launch). They also lack a strong launch, and MGS4 alone cannot boost sales. Halo could for Xbox because it was a brand new FPS. MGS4 is the same old MGS with new graphics and story.
You have absolutely no idea that this is true. None.

And even if it was, MGS4 is MGS4. It will sell.

[Spidey-Bat]

True, sorta like the meaning of the Xbox's second place this generation.

Yeah.


True, but it's just a feeling I have.
We shall see...

[kytrigger]

Even if Sony wins, they'll have lost so much money it won't mean anything. I highly doubt Sony will win due the incredible amount of positivie reaction from the Wii and the significantly lower prices of their rivals. Even if they lower it $100 (and lose $100 on top of the substantial amount already), $400 and $500 is still pretty costly when the competitiors will be $200 to $300 (360's price is likely to drop at PS3's launch). They also lack a strong launch, and MGS4 alone cannot boost sales. Halo could for Xbox because it was a brand new FPS. MGS4 is the same old MGS with new graphics and story.

I still think this doesn't mean that much to Sony. They know they are going to lose money on the PS3, but I bet they are willing to take a loss to try and make sure that more Blu-Ray players are already in homes. To me, Sony doesn't think like it is many individual companies ie. the television department, the playstation department, the movie department. They operate as one huge conglomerate. They are willing to lose money on the PS3 front because they feel more money can be gained for the Blu-Ray front. It's hard to explain, but if anyone has seen the movie In Good Company it can be explained in one word: Synergy.

[GoldenAgeHero]

if sony were willing to lose more money, they wouldnt have put it at the 600 price tag. as i said before sony isnt doing financially well as whole.


GS: Nintendo has always been a pioneer in the gaming industry, and many of its innovations have proven to themselves to now be industry standards. With the Wii's departure from convention, reinventing the interface and letting the visuals play a second fiddle, do you expect this to become the next new industry standard way of thinking for your competitors?

BL: Well, you know, time will tell, and that's certainly a question that you can ask our competitors as far as what they want to do. We felt that it was important to take that different path. If graphics were all that mattered, then what does that say or do for the industry down the road? You get to a point where only the keenest eyes are going to be able to tell, for example, that the water looks better in that game versus that game.

But picking up the Wii controller is something really different, and for an interactive medium that's really important. It's all about how to control and interact with the game, and so we are excited about what we are doing. Ultimately time will tell if this is where the industry is headed, and if we are on the right path and doing the right thing. In the end it's up to the consumers to decide.


just wanted to put this in there, sony is going to end up like sega, microsoft too. these companies are just milking for what its worth. nintendo is like 5 steps ahead of them. by nex next gen they'll be 10.

[Zenien]

Don't forget that the $500 version lacks a memory card reader, unlike the $600 version. So if you want to play your saved games on the Playstation 3, you'd have to get the $600 model. :down

The premium and core should be 100 dollars less each.

But what I really wanted to comment on, is you should be able to transfer the files by hooking up your PS2 to your PS3 USB style. Didn't Microsoft also implement something to transfer Xbox HDD files to your 360?

[Mr. Credible]

Even if Sony wins, they'll have lost so much money it won't mean anything. I highly doubt Sony will win due the incredible amount of positivie reaction from the Wii and the significantly lower prices of their rivals. Even if they lower it $100 (and lose $100 on top of the substantial amount already), $400 and $500 is still pretty costly when the competitiors will be $200 to $300 (360's price is likely to drop at PS3's launch). They also lack a strong launch, and MGS4 alone cannot boost sales. Halo could for Xbox because it was a brand new FPS. MGS4 is the same old MGS with new graphics and story.

yeah... and Halo 3 will be a complete reinvention of the series, and possibly will revolutionize the FPS as we know it.

:rolleyes:

that's what a sequel usually is, the same old (insert game title here) with a new story and graphics.

[kytrigger]

The premium and core should be 100 dollars less each.

But what I really wanted to comment on, is you should be able to transfer the files by hooking up your PS2 to your PS3 USB style. Didn't Microsoft also implement something to transfer Xbox HDD files to your 360?

I still think the best idea would be to ONLY have the "premium" system at 100 dollars less.

[Spidey-Bat]

yeah... and Halo 3 will be a complete reinvention of the series, and possibly will revolutionize the FPS as we know it.

:rolleyes:

that's what a sequel usually is, the same old (insert game title here) with a new story and graphics.


Halo 3 won't revolutionize FPS. There is nothing new or exciting about it. Improved graphics are nothing revolutionary. Halo did because it was one of the best FPS in years.

[THE LIZARD#1]

Formula 1 06
Genji 2
Gran Turismo HD
Heavenly Sword
Resistance: Fall of Man
SingStar
The Eye of Judgement
WarHawk

PS3 launch line up, I don't it looks okay, i'll probable only buy Heavenly Sword and Resistance: Fall of Man.

[THE LIZARD#1]

Just a quick question that I have been thinking a ton about and trying to figure everything out about the Playstation 3. They say that this gaming system looks to be the most advanced system this generation and more powerful than the Xbox 360 however really it seems to only be slightly better than the 360, do you think that either Sony is just showing medicore things right now at this point? Because all of the demos shown at E3 looked amazing however all of the demos were only 30% done and Resistance only 70% which astonished me at how amazing it looks and its only that far. Do you think possibly that at launch the games are going to look amazing like the most advanced things we have ever seen? Insomniac says that they plan on getting the graphics a lot better in the six month period.

Also I know that over time the system becomes more easy to develop for and that usually games that come out next year will use the systems full potential. Do you think that's when Playstation 3 is going to look a f**king Mazing? I mean like Killzone 2 because Phil Harrision gave a grinchly smile and said trust me, we'll show it when its ready and kind of hints that its coming along nicely.

Maybe I'm just over analyzing it but I mean, i think that Sony might be showing us only the brown dead part of the hill top and come launch the grass will be fully green.

[ToddIsDead]

Don't expect the PS3 to look much better than the 360, if at all, it will only be slightly better looking. I wouldn't expect any real difference though.

[THE LIZARD#1]

Well see everyone keeps saying that Sony's hardware is like amazing and it makes the 360's hardware looks like child's play, see i'm getting really frustrated because I don't know if people are just saying this to boost PS3's console.

[ToddIsDead]

Only people who work for Sony say that. I've seen very little that would leave me to believe that there would be any great difference in graphical performance between the two systems. It's most likely just to boost Sony's console, and right now, they need to be doing all the boosting they can, because after this year's E3, they seemed to have turned off a Hell of a lot of people.

[THE LIZARD#1]

Why are so many people turned off? Like not to sound stupid but I know its the price but what else is there, is that it? Just people are pissed because the price is really high because I love the games that they have for PS3 like Resistance and Heavenly Sword. I was really impressed with those and I know everyone said they would give Sony's confrence a perfect 10/10 only if they didn't announce a price so high.

[Spidey-Bat]

Price, mediocre launch games, and no rumble in the controller all made people like their conference less.

[ToddIsDead]

The price was a driving factor, and the fact that there wasn't really much there. If you're not a MGS or FF fan, then there really isn't much for you to like. There aren't many interesting exclusives, and the system doesn't seem to be the all-powerful God machine that Sony originally told us it would be. The Wii showed a lot more interesting stuff this year than either Sony or Microsoft.

[TheCardPlayer]

Why are so many people turned off? Like not to sound stupid but I know its the price but what else is there, is that it? Just people are pissed because the price is really high because I love the games that they have for PS3 like Resistance and Heavenly Sword. I was really impressed with those and I know everyone said they would give Sony's confrence a perfect 10/10 only if they didn't announce a price so high.They showcased a game based on historical Japanese battles featuring giant crabs. Tekken 6 looks like a PSP game and GTHD looks like GT4.

The tard pack also pissed alot of people off plus the Wiimote ripoff.

[THE LIZARD#1]

I thought it was funnier than hell when Phil Harrison said Rumble in the controller was so last generation, I got a little chuckle out of that.

I don't think the launch line up is that bad but yeah they only have two amazing games and those are like I keep saying

RESISTANCE:FALL OF MAN!!:) and Heavenly Sword.

I'm pretty dissapointed about the price to, hopefully they change it, I heard in a magazine Sony might actually be forced to drop it a hundred dollars. I think that would be amazing at their Japan Confrence they are like yes and this is out new price 400 and 500 dollars. I would love it lol I would go mega wild lol. I think it would also be a nice strategy because think of how many people would like flip out and want a PS3.

[TheGrayGhost]

Why are so many people turned off? Like not to sound stupid but I know its the price but what else is there, is that it? Just people are pissed because the price is really high because I love the games that they have for PS3 like Resistance and Heavenly Sword. I was really impressed with those and I know everyone said they would give Sony's confrence a perfect 10/10 only if they didn't announce a price so high.

I don't know about everyone else, but I can tell you why I am turned off, aside from the price:

The games don't appeal to me; there isn't much variety and hardly any innovation. The concepts of the games themselves are uninspired and few are genuinely great. Unlike Nintendo, PS3 doesn't have much of a first party line-up. Essentially, PS3 is more of the same, which is a bad thing in my book, considering I didn't like PS2. It doesn't help either that the PS3 is packed with all those unnecessary utilities that I'll never use.

But that doesn't mean that PS3 will be all bad. After all, XB360 seems to be a success, even though it is delivering pretty much more of the same.

[THE LIZARD#1]

Dude how is the Wii remote thing I heard its like horriblly none responsive? Is that true? I don't follow nintendo so I wouldn't know thats why.

[THE LIZARD#1]

Well I still have faith a lot can happen in six months.

[THE LIZARD#1]

Wow i'm surprised that everyone really didn't like some of Sony's games, why doesn't anyone like Resistance or Heavenly Sword? Just curious.

[ToddIsDead]

I don't know about everyone else, but I can tell you why I am turned off, aside from the price:

The games don't appeal to me; there isn't much variety and hardly any innovation. The concepts of the games themselves are uninspired and few are genuinely great. Unlike Nintendo, PS3 doesn't have much of a first party line-up. Essentially, PS3 is more of the same, which is a bad thing in my book, considering I didn't like PS2.
That's pretty much how I feel about it. To tell you the truth, the only thing that probably wuld have gotten me to buy a PS3 was probably GTA4, but since that is going to be on the 360, and with exclusive content, I have no reason to buy it. All of the games that I want are either on both the 360 and PS3, or are 360 exclusive. ANd then there are a bunch of Wii games that I want.

[TheCardPlayer]

Wow i'm surprised that everyone really didn't like some of Sony's games, why doesn't anyone like Resistance or Heavenly Sword? Just curious.Heavenly Sword looks good. Resistance? HAHAHAHAHAHA!

[THE LIZARD#1]

Heavenly Sword looks good. Resistance? HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Cardplayer that makes me a sad panda lol my face is doing this right now :( lol, so why doesn't anyone like Resistance? Personally I think the game looks technologically amazing for being only 70% done and also I think its going to give Halo a good fight knowing Insomniac I shouldn't have any worries.

[hippie_hunter]

Heavenly Sword looks good. Resistance? HAHAHAHAHAHA!

I think that they look good :mad:

[THE LIZARD#1]

Hey does anyone know when PS3 is starting pre-orders? I figured they would right after the price was announced but its not happening? Do you think Sony is debating weather to change it or not?

[BatMatt]

I think Resistance looks great, probably the only game I'll get at launch

[GoldenAgeHero]

Dude how is the Wii remote thing I heard its like horriblly none responsive? Is that true? I don't follow nintendo so I wouldn't know thats why.


non responsive?! thats all false. you can even check almost all the gaming websites to see the report on the wii mote. all of them have said the its extremely sensitive and very intuitive, theresnot even a bad reveiw about the wiimote.

and the ps3 isnt really advanced. just a bunch of technology in one console. like a multimedia in one.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Well see everyone keeps saying that Sony's hardware is like amazing and it makes the 360's hardware looks like child's play, see i'm getting really frustrated because I don't know if people are just saying this to boost PS3's console.

it doesnt even matter about the hardware. game developers have said that theres no real difference between the ps3 and Xbox 360 graphically.

[THE LIZARD#1]

Dude they said that like a month ago when Sony didn't even have their final development kit, plus Starbreeze is using normal mapping that doesn't use the potential of both systems so really its going to look the same because they are using the same program, at least I believe.

[hippie_hunter]

Hey does anyone know when PS3 is starting pre-orders? I figured they would right after the price was announced but its not happening? Do you think Sony is debating weather to change it or not?

They most likely are considering the extremely negative backlash they are getting now.

[THE LIZARD#1]

Well I'm wondering if Sony would do that because they say that they like to do whats best for the consumer and make the price consumer friendly so maybe thats why they have delayed the price.

Tommorrow is my birthday and I think it would be sweet to get a call saying that you can pre-order a PS3 lol that would be an amazing present from Sony.

[GoldenAgeHero]

Dude they said that like a month ago when Sony didn't even have their final development kit, plus Starbreeze is using normal mapping that doesn't use the potential of both systems so really its going to look the same because they are using the same program, at least I believe.

that was the consensus from the developers and fromthe news ive been hearing over at gamespot and others. but im pretty sure its true.

i pitty sony, there going to lose money so hard it wont even matter howmuch they sold.

[THE LIZARD#1]

I don't know Sony might pull something out of their ass. If not Sony who do you think will win this Generation?

[hippie_hunter]

I don't know Sony might pull something out of their ass. If not Sony who do you think will win this Generation?

Nintendo

[hippie_hunter]

Well I'm wondering if Sony would do that because they say that they like to do whats best for the consumer and make the price consumer friendly so maybe thats why they have delayed the price.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!!! Sony caring about the consumer. Sony is like every other corporation: they want the money. The only company that appears to care about the consumer is Nintendo. And Sony won't lower the price because they care about the consumer, it's because no one in their right mind would buy a $600 game console.

Tommorrow is my birthday and I think it would be sweet to get a call saying that you can pre-order a PS3 lol that would be an amazing present from Sony.
You like IOUs for your birthday :confused:

[THE LIZARD#1]

lmao Hippie Hunter that was pretty fun, yeah screw Video game companies, they totally just like to get the consumers money as best as they can, personally I think Nintendo is the best company because they are the most kiddish and don't have their heads in the clouds of money they like to give the consumer what they want. I admire that, good job Nintendo.

I still want to call it Revolution thought:( Petition a name change!

[hulkamania85]

Nintendo

I wonder how many fanboys will be in denial of Sony lifting Nintendo's ideas?

[hippie_hunter]

lmao Hippie Hunter that was pretty fun, yeah screw Video game companies, they totally just like to get the consumers money as best as they can, personally I think Nintendo is the best company because they are the most kiddish and don't have their heads in the clouds of money they like to give the consumer what they want. I admire that, good job Nintendo.
I f**king hate it when people still call Nintendo kiddy :mad:

[THE LIZARD#1]

Sorry Hippie Hunter I didn't mean it like that I just meant their style is like kiddy graphics which I like that about them they have the good franchises' like Sonic and Mario and all of those guys I love those kinds of games for Nintendo. Nintendo isn't just a kiddy company though take a look at Red Steel and Metroid Prime and you'll think diffrently.

[Spidey-Bat]

Nintendo doesn't own Sonic, you fool. Legend of Zelda has become less kiddy. SSBB can be considered non-kiddy due to the amount of skill required to play it.

[kytrigger]

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!!! Sony caring about the consumer. Sony is like every other corporation: they want the money. The only company that appears to care about the consumer is Nintendo. And Sony won't lower the price because they care about the consumer, it's because no one in their right mind would buy a $600 game console.

I wouldn't go so far as to say Nintendo cares any more about the consumer than Sony does. Both are the exact same in their goals:making money. Nintendo is just going about it differently than Sony, quite frankly, because they have to.

The Gamecube not only finished last in the previous console race, but it got its ass kicked. It proved that while Mario and Zelda might still be system sellers, they won't sell nearly enough. If Nintendo wanted to have any chance of doing better in the next console race, they had to completely change their ideas, because they just can't compete with Microsoft and Sony on a pure graphical powerhouse type of system.

Nintendo did this, and they created the Wii, which might be the best thing the company has done in a long time (time will tell how successful it is). But they didn't create the Wii because they thought gamers would just get a kick out of it, they did it to be different because that is how they will get the most money.

[GoldenAgeHero]

thats not entirely true at all.nintendo couldve done easily what sony and microsoft did, they chose a better way tho.

[kytrigger]

thats not entirely true at all.nintendo couldve done easily what sony and microsoft did, they chose a better way tho.

But they couldn't have. That's what they basically did with the 4th generation Gamecube and it got destroyed by a second generation console (PS2) and a first gen system (xbox). Now that Microsoft already has an established fan base it would make it even harder for a similar Nintendo system to win or even come close to winning in the console war. If they wanted a chance at really being powerhouse again, they had to do something different, and it looks like they pulled it off.

[GoldenAgeHero]

But they couldn't have. That's what they basically did with the 4th generation Gamecube and it got destroyed by a second generation console (PS2) and a first gen system (xbox). Now that Microsoft already has an established fan base it would make it even harder for a similar Nintendo system to win or even come close to winning in the console war. If they wanted a chance at really being powerhouse again, they had to do something different, and it looks like they pulled it off.

like i said nintendo wouldve easily done it but they chose to go a different route. i dont see why they couldnt. and i dont think nintendo really knew what microsoft was upto so tehy were definitely upstaged by them.


i can honestly say i believe that sony is going to go the way of the sega. all sony is doing i just shooting themselves in the foot. how do they plan to outdo themselves, put HDDDD in PS4? which will run all of you a cool 1000 bucks for the console. whatever happens im sure sony wont be able to last.

and guess what? heres another reason why sony is retarded http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27568

[Horrorfan]

Only people who work for Sony say that..


Actually remember that guy from Sony who said totally the opposite? ;) He got fired but still...

Anyone who shells out $600 and $80 a game can officially be declared a dope.A rich dope, sure, but a dope nontheless. Especially for the mediocre stuff we have seen from PS3 thus far.

I don't see how ANYONE could think it's a better console than 360 (my personal favourite) or a wii (which has mostly won me over).

[KALEL114]

like i said nintendo wouldve easily done it but they chose to go a different route. i dont see why they couldnt. and i dont think nintendo really knew what microsoft was upto so tehy were definitely upstaged by them.


i can honestly say i believe that sony is going to go the way of the sega. all sony is doing i just shooting themselves in the foot. how do they plan to outdo themselves, put HDDDD in PS4? which will run all of you a cool 1000 bucks for the console. whatever happens im sure sony wont be able to last.

and guess what? heres another reason why sony is retarded http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27568
Sony is the next Sega? You sir are a tard. Check the date of that article by the way.

[GoldenAgeHero]

the date is late last year plus its all over the net. sony is the next sega. im humoring myself at how sony plans tooutdo themselves with making thier consoles 1000 bucks by next next gen.

[kytrigger]

the date is late last year plus its all over the net. sony is the next sega. im humoring myself at how sony plans tooutdo themselves with making thier consoles 1000 bucks by next next gen.

Well, I can blame Sony for a lot of things, but faulting them for not being able to outdo themsleves for the next console is plain ridiculous. By that frame of mind, you would rather have them, or any other company, half ass their current console so they can outdo it on their next gen console. That's like me being upset that I got an A instead of a C on my last midterm because I can't "outdo" myself on the final.

Maybe I'm just reading and interpretting what you said wrong, because to me it is confusing as hell.

[GoldenAgeHero]

no, everything is about out doing themselves,this what competition is about. dont you wonder how sony plans to out do themselves in the next next gen console,without making it uber expensive?

[kytrigger]

no, everything is about out doing themselves,this what competition is about. dont you wonder how sony plans to out do themselves in the next next gen console,without making it uber expensive?

honestly, not really. I'm not even worried about the PS4 right now. While I see where you are going saying it will be even more expensive, I don't think it is that simple. Technology is always one of the hardest thigns to predict a price on IMO, especially when it is years away. Could the PS4 be extremely expensive? Yes, but they could take the PS4 in a completely different direction too like Nintendo did with Wii.

[THE LIZARD#1]

Hey I thought Nintendo and Sega made a pact and now Nintendo has the rights to Sonic?

[GoldenAgeHero]

honestly, not really. I'm not even worried about the PS4 right now. While I see where you are going saying it will be even more expensive, I don't think it is that simple. Technology is always one of the hardest thigns to predict a price on IMO, especially when it is years away. Could the PS4 be extremely expensive? Yes, but they could take the PS4 in a completely different direction too like Nintendo did with Wii.

strongly doubt it.

[THE LIZARD#1]

Wow a interviewer who played the PS3 says that Sony has out done themselves with the cooling fan and that it compares to slim PS2 fan! That means theres nothing to hear!

[Spidey-Bat]

I'm sure a silent fan is going to be a HUGE seller:rolleyes:

[THE LIZARD#1]

Dude are you kidding me Spidey-Bat do you know how many people have complained about the 360's fan being super loud, some compare it to a jet engine lol. People hate it when there is an intense cut scene and you hear that stupid fan working hard to cool down the damn system. The 360 also gets super hot, I think this is cool that Sony has a fan like this.

[Spidey-Bat]

Even still, it is not enough to go out and get a $600 system. Do you have a link to this comment?

[THE LIZARD#1]

Dude on the feed they just announced Sony has dropped the price 100 dollars the 60GB is now 500 and 20GB is 400!

[GoldenAgeHero]

source?

[kytrigger]

source?

yeah...not wanting to doubt you, but I'm not getting my hopes up yet...

[THE LIZARD#1]

It was on G4's those Gspot things, that one chick from Attack of the Show did the feed and said breaking news from all of the negative backlash Sony has decided to drop the price to a more consumer friendly price and drop it to 500 and 400. I don't know though from the looks of it, I'm hoping this is true but why hasn't anyone posted anything about it yet?