What Batman villians wouldnt work in Nolans Batman series.

[gamemiester]

I think it would be hard for Riddler, Poison Ivy or Mr Freeze to be put into a more realistic Batman series.

But who knows I didnt think they could do Scarecrow realisticly but I was wrong.

[Two-Face]

Riddler can be done - he's just obsessed with riddles.

[gamemiester]

Yeah maybe maybe I think it wont work because of Jim Carrey.

How about the other 2

[Two-Face]

I agree Freeze and ivy won't work but you know Nolan he might make it work.

[StorminNorman]

I think Freeze can work with his story more or less unchanged. Ivy will have to cease being part plant, but she can still be a deadly assasign using self made poisons made from her own personal garden.

[gamemiester]

Thats a good idea also Man-Bat or Madhatter wouldnt work I personnally think.

[Two-Face]

I'm worried taht we won't see Catwoman because of CINO! damn you WB!

[gamemiester]

Hmm Catwoman could be done but Im not a real fan but I dont see why she couldnt be in it.

[Two-Face]

Because of CINO.

[gamemiester]

Whos that is that the Catwoman movie if so that was crap

[Two-Face]

Yes. Catwoman In Name Only (CINO) I don't call it a catwoman movie.

[nolan's roll'n]

All of because of ****ing Halle Berry we probably won't see Catwoman in the Batman movie trilogy. But if so, I want Beckinsale for the role hands down. I definitely want this character redone, Nolan style. As Halle Berry messed up the essence of the character, I'm afraid it'll be hard bringing her back on-screen. What was WB thinking casting another high profile celeb, for playing an important DC character? I know that we'll either see Catwoman redone or the Riddler, it has to be one of the two in BB3. BB 2 already has enough rumor about tons of new characters, who might be in it. It's crowded enough, as it is. I don't see Nolan making a Bat-film with Clayface in it. Or man-bat, I doubt Bane would ever appear again on-screen. Especially with Chris Nolan directing, if he would it'd be a small role he'd have.

[cerealkiller182]

Mr. Freeze can work. He's as realistic as any Bond villain. If done right, he could be seriously scary.

[newwaveboy87]

i can't see Clayface or Man-Bat working in Nolan's universe.
Poison Ivy, Freeze, Mad Hatter, the whole lot....i could. i just have a hard time picturing those two working.

[gamemiester]

Mad Hatter would be pathetic

[newwaveboy87]

turn him into a creepy child molester and just a cameo for Batman to take down, and it could work.

think Mr Zsasz in Batman Begins sized role. or Joe Chill.

[bdsproductions]

pre-crisis Calandar Man.in contrast post-crissi TLH Calendar Man has a very Nolan feel to him.Posion Ivy would'nt work,a pre-crisis ANYTHING could'nt work practically or at least,50's style.

[newwaveboy87]

you could make Ivy work easily.
dont make her part plant. actually....someone already mentioned how to make her work easily.

[The Overlord]

Mad Hatter would be pathetic

I disagree, did you read his story in Haunted Knights, it showed that Tetch could be creepy and threatening even without his mind control devices.

[batmaluco]

King Tut, Maxie Zeus, Egg-Head...

[gamemiester]

No I aint read that 1 yet.

[warren_sparta27]

Ivy could work, being the supplier of the poppy flower things for Cranes fear gas, not a huge role, more like a cameo.

Riddler could work, easily, some people have said make him like the guy from saw for eg. it wouldn't be too hard to make him work on film.

and Hatter, like someone said before, make him a child raper, again not a huge role, but just one sick guy.

[gamemiester]

They wouldnt have a child rapist but they could have a rapist.

[warren_sparta27]

i know that they wouldn't have a child rapist, which is why i don't think that we will ever get to see hatter on the big screen. they might be able to have him as a rapist, and hint at him being a child rapist, don't have it in the foreground, just drop several hints here and there.

[gamemiester]

i dunno the public would be very funny about having a child rapist on screen

[warren_sparta27]

just hint at it, maybe have some kids go missing while this rapist is out on the streets, don't say that he is, but don't say that he isn't, just make him really creepy. it's really the only way i can see teh character working.
i think Nolan would be able to pull it off, without majorly offending anyone.

[gamemiester]

yeah that sounds good but hatter still needs something that familiarizes him witht the comics.

Maybe hes a lonly dude that kidnaps kids and ties him to chairs and puts them around tables for company like a sicko.

[warren_sparta27]

that could work, pretty well actually, that would actually scare the **** outta me :(

[batmaluco]

No I aint read that 1 yet.
King Tut and Egg-Head were from the 60's series, only worked as a joke...

[newwaveboy87]

oh god....Egg-Head

poor Vinvent Price, he deserved better :(

[ganstaman56]

hmmm hasnt this been done already by someone? i cant remember who it was......oh thats right it was me!!!!!!!!! POSER!!!!!!!!!!

[DV8]

All of because of ****ing Halle Berry we probably won't see Catwoman in the Batman movie trilogy. But if so, I want Beckinsale for the role hands down. I definitely want this character redone, Nolan style. As Halle Berry messed up the essence of the character, I'm afraid it'll be hard bringing her back on-screen. What was WB thinking casting another high profile celeb, for playing an important DC character?

well . . . I would blame the script and director more for that fuack up . . .

[newwaveboy87]

well . . . I would blame the script and director more for that fuack up . . .
:) :up:
that was a mess long before Halle Berry came along and said yes to the project. let's not forget that before Halle said yes to Catwoman, Ashley Judd had agreed to do it.

[Lots o lafs]

I cant see ivy or man bat cause thats really fictionall

[newwaveboy87]

Ivy i could see, they'd have to do a few tweaks here and there, but it could work.

[ShadowBoxing]

Maxi Zeus, Egg Head, The Clock King, people whose gimmicks are rather silly and foolish would not work. Mr Freeze and Ivy however are intriguing enough, that with some very minor suspension of belief they can be done.

[newwaveboy87]

Egg Head, and i believe Clock King, were invented for various TV shows are not actual comic canon characters.

[darknight7]

CLAYFACE...could not be done...

--dk7

[darknight7]

Personally MadHatter would be an amazing pick for a cameo villain.

THink about it...a rapist, or child rapist...

BATMAN WOULD NOT BE HAPPY WITH THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol, we would see some major ass kicking and it would be amazing...

--dk7

[El Payaso]

oh god....Egg-Head

poor Vinvent Price, he deserved better :(

In fact he was really happy with that.

[newwaveboy87]

i know he was, which makes me even sadder and, well, confused to be honest.
:( :confused:

[El Payaso]

But man, how could you be sad if even he was happy.

The Tv series was not to take it too seriously and Price knew that.

[gamemiester]

^^^^^^

you can say that again, how about firefly or bane

[newwaveboy87]

But man, how could you be sad if even he was happy.

The Tv series was not to take it too seriously and Price knew that.
because he settled for a role in that show as possibly the campiest of villians which that show being what is, is :eek: inducing.

[IzzyJG99]

Any number of the Batman bad guys could work. All are nuts bordering on totally nucking futs.
Even off the top of my head, and probably others, there are a few ideas.
Mad Hatter; Pedophile obessed with Alice in Wonderland. (Cameo, not leading role, though.)
Poison Ivy; Crazy enviromentalist who is exposed to chemicals during a break in. (Could be a secondary character.)
Clayface; Meh....maybe have Matt Hagen be a pal of Bruce's who in his desperate search for eternal youth is exposed to the wrong chemicals.

Just a few ideas....=.=

[Fanticon]

Yeah, but in Nolan's Batman vision...people being exposed to chemicals and then becoming something super natural? I don't think he would go that route...not even just to stay true to what gives these villains their names...So in Nolan's world...there won't be any crazy powerful super villains...just Batman dealing with psychotic criminal master minds.:up:

[newwaveboy87]

Ivy could still work. just make her a crazy environmentalist type, no need for a chemical bath to make her look weird or anything.

[Kritish]

Mr. Freeze

[theRedRider52]

One word. . . ScarFace, you know the crazy puppet guy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Batman475.JPG

[BatScot]

Why wouldn't Scarface work? There's nothing unrealistic about a guy with a puppet and a gun... Scarface would actually be one of the easier villains to work into Nolan's world view.

It's the ones that defy the laws of the known universe (e.g., Clayface, Man-Bat, etc.) that wouldn't fit.

[XCharlieX]

There is perhaps a weird thing about a dummy as head of mob, but i think with the correct writers they can do what is appropriate with the material to translate it well, and focus on the person controlling the dummy.

If i see Mr Freeze again im not seeing the film. Clayface, Manbat, poison ivy are examples of introducing supernatural in a world that has no such. Everything that appears incredible in the Nolan universe is perspective. Thats the deciding factor of whos in and out.

[batman44]

To be honest, I think all villians COULD work if adapted right for the story.

[WeaponXProject]

[quote=newwaveboy87]i can't see Clayface or Man-Bat working in Nolan's universe.

Whoa, with Nolan's twisted world of mental thriller and visual illusions I think Clay Face would be perfect. Especially if the movies were still done by Tim Burton. I definitely agree with the man-bat aspect though. I think Ivy would be terrible because she is too much of a sexual mind player than a villain. But God knows Joker would be perfect and I think its damn cool that nobody says Joker shouldn't be done. This is a great thread.

[WeaponXProject]

Ivy would probably be most fitted instituted in the same movie with Catwoman to mess with Bruce's mind but truthfully I don't want to see a corny love triangel. Alot of what Nolan does is mind confusion for the protagonist and the audience. You never know whats next with Nolan. But I'm faithful with whats to come.

[Spidey 2007]

Why wouldn't Scarface work? There's nothing unrealistic about a guy with a puppet and a gun... Scarface would actually be one of the easier villains to work into Nolan's world view.

It's the ones that defy the laws of the known universe (e.g., Clayface, Man-Bat, etc.) that wouldn't fit.


yea, i was just posting about scarface and the ventriloquist in the other thread. i really think they could work perfectly. but youd have to get a REALLY great actor to be the ventriloquist. :up:

oh and about poisen ivy, she could work to the extent of how screcrow worked. (if she wasnt already ruined be B&R)

[gamemiester]

more than anything i really want mr freeze and bane to be in a sequel, they were absolutley terrible in B+R. Bane just being some tough henceman to the other two and Freeze as much as i liked Arnold nah it didnt work.

[IzzyJG99]

Personally most of the villians could work, but they'd have to be kind of 'upped' a bit. Mad Hatter could work...but you'd have to go with something dark like he's a pedophile obsessed with Alice in Wonderland.

[BatScot]

I'm a hardliner on the villains—or heroes for that matter—in Nolan's 'real-world' set-up... a guy with pale skin, or someone with half-a-face, or a cat burglar, or a man with a long nose, etc. are all within the realm of possibility but as soon as you introduce an ‘X-File’ character—whether as villain or hero (e.g., a flying alien)—you’ve broken the ‘reality’ that Nolan so purposefully established in this first film.

[AJF499]

I think that all the villians in the rogues gallery could fit into Nolan's universe if they were changed enough but I don't want to see classic characters being changed beyond recognition just for the sake of having the character name (think the Catwoman movie).

I agree with an earlier post that only those that aren't really workable in a realistic universe shouldn't be in Nolan's universe.

[iceberg325]

One word. . . ScarFace, you know the crazy puppet guy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Batman475.JPG

He would easily fit in. Its funy cause I mentioned that to my friend and he said it would never work. A little puppet a head of the mafia souns funny but I think it fits in. Remember what Gordan told Batman at the end of BB. Batmans theatrics would cause the basd guys to do the same. At that point, he shows batman the joker card. A villian like scarface would show that someone would have to be really demented to think a doll would be in control instead of the normal person controlling the puppet. Its perfect for the Batman universe that Nolan has made.

I doubt Croc or Clayface would work though. I could see freeze or catwoman. Two face would be perfect also.

If joker is in BB2 for sure, Harlequin (sorry if i spelled wrong) better be in it.

[Warhammer]

Mr. Freeze.

[IzzyJG99]

He would easily fit in. Its funy cause I mentioned that to my friend and he said it would never work. A little puppet a head of the mafia souns funny but I think it fits in. Remember what Gordan told Batman at the end of BB. Batmans theatrics would cause the basd guys to do the same. At that point, he shows batman the joker card. A villian like scarface would show that someone would have to be really demented to think a doll would be in control instead of the normal person controlling the puppet. Its perfect for the Batman universe that Nolan has made.

I doubt Croc or Clayface would work though. I could see freeze or catwoman. Two face would be perfect also.

If joker is in BB2 for sure, Harlequin (sorry if i spelled wrong) better be in it.

Haha. I don't even care if Harley doesn't speak at all in the movie. I just want to see a pretty girl in a tight black and white unitard.

[Kritish]

Chuck Norris
He should also be Alfred, Racheal and Batman.

[IzzyJG99]

Chuck Norris
He should also be Alfred, Racheal and Batman.
I once saw Chuck Norris kill a man. I had cancer of the eyes at the time, and upon witnessing such proficent killing...my eye cancer was cured!

Haha.

[Joe Kerr]

Well, i think clayface could work but you'd have to do it pure cgi and IMO i dont want that,
Mr. Freeze would work with ed harris... maybe if it was a dark freeze


just my 2 cents

[giggs11uk]

Poison Ivy and Mr. Freeze and Bane

[iceberg325]

Haha. I don't even care if Harley doesn't speak at all in the movie. I just want to see a pretty girl in a tight black and white unitard.

I just hope they dont caset Kirsten Dunst for her lol. I was upset when she was cast for MJ in spidey lol. I need someone sexy for Harley!!!!!

[newwaveboy87]

i want Christina Ricci for Harley.
eff that whole Brittany Murphy for Harley band wagon! :mad:

[Jul-el]

I think most characters could be done "Nolan" style due to the common human thread and the story behind the character.Most would involve balance.Turning up certain parts of the charater to ten and maybe turning down the more camp/cartoon elements.

[newwaveboy87]

while i tend to agree with you there are about three characters that i couldn't see working out at all - Clayface, Man-Bat, and Killer Croc (based purely on his literal reptillian appearance)

[darknight7]

This is the only way I could see Croc working:

He was originally an amateur wrestler, and on the side...a hitman.

He develops a rare case of skin disease.

It causes his skin to skale and become lumpy and deformed.

Maybe more of a pale grey, not so much a green, skin that is callossed (not sure of the spelling), and jagged.

His performing wrestling name was KILLER.

So now he gets the name, KILLER CROC.

And whatever, move on from there...Maybe he gets punched in the face and it messes up his teeth making them all jagged.

PERSONALLY, I don't think all this effort is worth it, because I don't know if there is much that can be done with croc (imo). But if he was done, I would follow the skin disease idea.

--dk7

[newwaveboy87]

skin disease is the only way to go about it.
but truly, is his character worth putting into a film?

[NinjaTurtleFan]

This is the only way I could see Croc working:

He was originally an amateur wrestler, and on the side...a hitman.

He develops a rare case of skin disease.

It causes his skin to skale and become lumpy and deformed.

Maybe more of a pale grey, not so much a green, skin that is callossed (not sure of the spelling), and jagged.

His performing wrestling name was KILLER.

So now he gets the name, KILLER CROC.

And whatever, move on from there...Maybe he gets punched in the face and it messes up his teeth making them all jagged.

PERSONALLY, I don't think all this effort is worth it, because I don't know if there is much that can be done with croc (imo). But if he was done, I would follow the skin disease idea.

--dk7

I totally like your idea. The whole him as a crocodile is like Dr. Connors as The Lizard. It works for Spider-Man, but in Batman's world Croc is better as a tormented soul having to live with this ugly deformity. The outside world rejects him. I could see the man being a hitman for Penguin and him, Penguin, and Joker trying to gas Gotham and turn them into freaks like them, but if that weren't the case I'd just have Croc being a pro-wrestler or circus freak that is looking for some extra cash so he becomes a goon for some mob family and tries to take out the Batman ala Bane.

[Joe Kerr]

I totally like your idea. The whole him as a crocodile is like Dr. Connors as The Lizard. It works for Spider-Man, but in Batman's world Croc is better as a tormented soul having to live with this ugly deformity. The outside world rejects him. I could see the man being a hitman for Penguin and him, Penguin, and Joker trying to gas Gotham and turn them into freaks like them, but if that weren't the case I'd just have Croc being a pro-wrestler or circus freak that is looking for some extra cash so he becomes a goon for some mob family and tries to take out the Batman ala Bane.

yeah but could you have a whole movie about the villain, i think it'd be a croc, (Pun fully intended)

[Malone]

Mr. Freeze
Poison Ivy
Clayface

[Joe Kerr]

freeze could work
but as a side villain

[newwaveboy87]

so could Ivy

[Joe Kerr]

clayface might be able to work too, but it'd have to be CGI and it should look like TAS clayface...yeah...

[newwaveboy87]

i don't see how Clayface could work

[Joe Kerr]

why not

[iceberg325]

i don't see how Clayface could work

I agree. Never liked that character too much.

[newwaveboy87]

that and his origin and general concept is just way too out there for Nolan-verse.

[trustyside-kick]

that and his origin and general concept is just way too out there for Nolan-verse.

Depends on which Clayface they do. Besides, the first Clayface (Basil Karlo) was not even a man of clay when he first started being a villain; they could like do something that gives a TLH vibe with Karlo's crimes. It was not until after the third and fourth Clayfaces broke him out of prison and I believe injected him with their DNA; then he became the Ultimate Clayface.

[newwaveboy87]

people who know about Clayface know about him from BTAS where he was a massive shape shifting blob. the villian is just too out there and CGI intense to work in this real world, very serious version of Batman.

[trustyside-kick]

people who know about Clayface know about him from BTAS where he was a massive shape shifting blob. the villian is just too out there and CGI intense to work in this real world, very serious version of Batman.

So? Since when are they going for origins/stories in BTAS? The BTAS Clayface does not exist in the comics. Matt Hagen was not an actor (Karlo was); Hagen was a treasure hunter. His whole origin is made up for BTAS. Even if Nolan wants to do the Batman films from a realistic stand point...that would never rule out Clayface because of it needing CGI because the first Clayface was not a shapeshifting clay monster.

Like I said they could do a good mystery-like story with Karlo going around killing actors and crew that are working on the remake of his old horror film. That would also let the non-comic fans see Batman as the true detective he is. I know he did do some detective work in Begins but I know for a fact that a crapload of the non-comic Bat fans do not see him as a detective; you can interview more than half my family and find that out; and I have a huge family.

[newwaveboy87]

i met to say non-comic reading people, oh well.
i still maintain that the most famous version of Clayface is the shape shifting blob, and he still wouldn't work in the film version. and going with a non-shape shifting Clayface defeats his characters name and the thing that makes him special.

[trustyside-kick]

i met to say non-comic reading people, oh well.
i still maintain that the most famous version of Clayface is the shape shifting blob, and he still wouldn't work in the film version. and going with a non-shape shifting Clayface defeats his characters name and the thing that makes him special.

No because the first one did not do that til much later. It does not defeat the character's name; Karlo wore a mask that he used in one of his older horror films which the villain's name was Clayface.

Nolan may be going for a realistic approach but, he is still using the comics as guidance.

Also, I already explained why to do this for the non-comic fans since most would think of Clayface and think BTAS.

[newwaveboy87]

but his just being a serial killer seems a thad redundant if he doesn't have something interesting to back it up. The Joker has something, so does Two-Face, Mad Hatter could be made into a pedophile so very easily.
Clayface as a non-shape shifter is just....meh. actually Clayface outside of BTAS is meh.

[trustyside-kick]

but his just being a serial killer seems a thad redundant if he doesn't have something interesting to back it up. The Joker has something, so does Two-Face, Mad Hatter could be made into a pedophile so very easily.
Clayface as a non-shape shifter is just....meh. actually Clayface outside of BTAS is meh.

Even if Nolan was somehow okay with having Clayface appear and being a shapeshifting monster...I would want them to be close to the comics. If you do not like the idea of Basil being what he is in the comics, fine. But you could combine different things:

What if during Basil's killing spree something happens while attacking one of his victims and ends up falling into some chemicals. To make it even better the victim he chases is the director that chose to remake his old film...that way it is not like Batman created yet another villain like he did Joker in the comics. Then the remainder of the film Clayface is trying to get his last victim, the director, and Batman stops it.

I don't know...I just really with they would do Clayface but with Karlo. I would really like to see part of the film being a mystery and get a TLH/DV vibe to it.

[newwaveboy87]

TLH/DV vibe is all fine and would work wonderfully in a movie - but the thing that's most important about that movie is the relationship between Batman/Bruce/Gordon/Dent, and Dent's transformation to the dark side. the murder mystery is secondary.

i just plain don't like Clayface outside the cartoon, and don't want him in the movies.

[JTStarkiller]

That evil farmer from the animated series episode, Critters.

[newwaveboy87]

let us forget Farmer Brown ever happened

[JTStarkiller]

That's right, forgot his name. Just saw the episode for the first time last week, and couldn't believe the team did a commentary for it. But as luck would have it, the first thing they mentioned was, "you're probably wondering why we chose this episode for a commentary."

By the way, completely off-topic. Is there some sort of group that was created with the INWT thing? Or am I allowed to put that in my sig? I noticed a few people have it.

[trustyside-kick]

I don't think so. Someone started it and people are going along. I was thinking of putting it in my signature soon too.

[newwaveboy87]

what are you talking about now?

[trustyside-kick]

The I.N.W.T. thing; he asked.

[newwaveboy87]

wtf is that?

[trustyside-kick]

In Nolan We Trust.

[newwaveboy87]

OH!!....*feels dumb*

[Two-Face]

I started I.N.W.T

[trustyside-kick]

O great Two-Face, do you deem me worthy of using that in my signature? :O

:P

[Two-Face]

Yeah, I'm pleased. :up:

[newwaveboy87]

i would love to have Schreiber as Dent

[trustyside-kick]

Same, and to further make another comment on his signature...

I loved it when Bale said that in the movie awards. :up: :)

But I think it was actually:

"I'm sorry Superman, but Batman is so much more badass."

[newwaveboy87]

duh Batman is!

[ganstaman56]

hmmm i think this was already done by someone............

[Bat Attack]

Edit: Poop. People Order Our Patties.

[Hades]

http://www.konami.jp/gs/game/mgs3/english/pic/chara_fury_pic.gif

This is what I think Mr.freeze should look like.

Perhaps he worked for Waynetech in some division and had an accident. He'd also steal the suit from WayneTech.

[trustyside-kick]

http://www.konami.jp/gs/game/mgs3/english/pic/chara_fury_pic.gif

This is what I think Mr.freeze should look like.

Perhaps he worked for Waynetech in some division and had an accident. He'd also steal the suit from WayneTech.

This thread is what villains wouldn't work in the 'Nolanverse'. Kind of in the wrong place buddy.

[Hades]

This thread is what villains wouldn't work in the 'Nolanverse'. Kind of in the wrong place buddy.
Yes, wrong thread. Oh well.

Rub my feet.

[ISHMAEL]

I think Freeze can work with his story more or less unchanged. Ivy will have to cease being part plant, but she can still be a deadly assasign using self made poisons made from her own personal garden.

Ed Harris would be a perfect mr. freeze

[trustyside-kick]

Ed Harris would be a perfect mr. freeze

I'd prefer Bill Nighly.

[Joe Kerr]

ed harris

[trustyside-kick]

I can understand why many people would say Ed Harris...I love the guy too but when you look at Bill, he can pull off the whole emotionless soul that is Mr.Freeze better.

[Two-Face]

Bruce Willis, no?

[trustyside-kick]

Bruce Willis, no?

For Freeze? Eh...

[Joe Kerr]

Bruce Willis, no?

no not bruce willis, leave it at that...

[Two-Face]

Oh well, it was only a suggestion

[Joe Kerr]

Oh well, it was only a suggestion

i was just playin he'd be alright but there are better actors for the role out there

[newwaveboy87]

Bruce Willis will ALWAYS be John Hartigan to me.
i couldn't see him in another comic book movie....it just wouldn't be right.

[Two-Face]

Only reason I though Willis as Freeze cos of Sin City I thoiught he was great in it and he's great actor, like I said it was only a suggestion.

[Joe Kerr]

Bruce Willis will ALWAYS be John Hartigan to me.
i couldn't see him in another comic book movie....it just wouldn't be right.

well, he doesnt care hes just out for all of the money he can get... 'course i would be too, more power to 'em...

[newwaveboy87]

i feel the same about Patrick Stewart. whenever people bring him up it makes my head hurt because he'll always be Xaiver to me and seeing him in another comic book role just wouldn't work.

the same thing happened with McKellan in the Lord of the Rings movies.

[Joe Kerr]

good point

[iceberg325]

i feel the same about Patrick Stewart. whenever people bring him up it makes my head hurt because he'll always be Xaiver to me and seeing him in another comic book role just wouldn't work.

the same thing happened with McKellan in the Lord of the Rings movies.

I guess with pat everyone knew he was the best choice for prof X. Even early 90's when xmen movie was in the talks.

[newwaveboy87]

truly - who else could portray him!? :confused:

anyway, back on topic!

[Two-Face]

Firefly, Man-Bat and Killer Croc etc.. wouldn't work.

[newwaveboy87]

just because his concept could work doesn't mean he should be let anywhere near a movie:
Ventriloquest

[Elongated_Yen7]

I think the Riddler would work.. but for Nolan have him be more like the Gothic Riddler from the new Batman cartoon... I don't think the Creeper would fit in.. unless if you mad him an LSD crazed split personality.. and the old Calander Man.. The Calander Man from The Long Holloween would be cool to have, though..

[Two-Face]

I hate Riddler from "The Batman" I rather see Jim Lee version of the character.

[TheGrayGhost]

I see nothing has changed. Sigh. What more can I do?

[cerealkiller182]

I think the Riddler would work.. but for Nolan have him be more like the Gothic Riddler from the new Batman cartoon... I don't think the Creeper would fit in.. unless if you mad him an LSD crazed split personality.. and the old Calander Man.. The Calander Man from The Long Holloween would be cool to have, though..

No Gothic Riddler. **** that Riddler. I could see Nolan doing great things with Riddler. Kinda like one of those villains who likes to call and patronize his would-be capters while trying to pull of the crime of the century.

The Creeper could be cool as an LSD crazed lunatic but as a cameo like Zasz. I think I'd like to see that.

I would also like to see the Calender Man from TLH, but it would be hard seeing as they probably wont use Holliday. I still would like to see him as a crime specialist doing the Hannibal Lector thing but not for long or not as a key character or else he'll be a Lector rip off. Maybe as a cell mate to one of the other villains.

[Elongated_Yen7]

No Gothic Riddler. **** that Riddler. I could see Nolan doing great things with Riddler. Kinda like one of those villains who likes to call and patronize his would-be capters while trying to pull of the crime of the century.

Okay, but I think if they keep some elements of the gothic Riddler but make him sorta like Robin Williams character from Insomnia.. I think it make a pretty good Riddler as long as they keep the fact that he can't pull a crime without a Riddle..

And the Creeper would be a nice Cameo, I can definitely see him as a drugged up maniac.. maybe have him get a dose of Cranes fear serum.. but I would love to see that cameo..

[trustyside-kick]

Firefly, Man-Bat and Killer Croc etc.. wouldn't work.

Firefly could be done, Killer Croc could be done.

- Firefly would be perfect for a realistic villain...a huge pyro freak that Bats will have to deal with, 'nuff said.

- Croc starts out with just having that skin disease whatever...doesn't get into those major mutations til way after.

just because his concept could work doesn't mean he should be let anywhere near a movie:
Ventriloquest

Wait, are you saying he wouldn't work for the films? They could do so much good things with him. He was born into a Mafia Family...'nuff said.

I think the Riddler would work.. but for Nolan have him be more like the Gothic Riddler from the new Batman cartoon... I don't think the Creeper would fit in.. unless if you mad him an LSD crazed split personality.. and the old Calander Man.. The Calander Man from The Long Holloween would be cool to have, though..

The Creeper is not a villain.

[newwaveboy87]

i'm saying he could work, but that they shouldn't do his character.
his schtick is lame, completely nonscary, and borderline campy.

[Elongated_Yen7]

The Creeper is not a villain.

The Creeper isn't really a hero though either.. you could have him in a cameo shot.. he could be a prime example of what the stress of gotham does to the ones who try to get what they want.. but just don't reach it.. The Creeper could be a villian I mean.. I do remember the 1997 Creeper #8 when he started a Riot with the Joker in Arkham.. I'm pretty sure thats un-heroic.

[7alex]

I think it would be cool if every new Nolan Batman movie had 2 Villans. I really loved how they added Scarecrow which wasnt a really huge Batman enemy, but he was a sub enemy. I think a Clayface story would work out very well and some how we could tie him up with Two-Face for the 3rd film. Or they could have KillerCroc and Clay face in the same movie, i dont think it would make a bad story. Also, when they are going for the 3rd Batman Film which should feature Two-Face they should make a story like with Rupert Thorne as well, and have Harvey and Rubert have their SUB battles through out the movie, just like in the animated series. I seriously think they should stay away from Villans they have done in the past. MR. Freeze would work out very well, if they didnt make the movie soooo cheesy and focused more on him and his story and having Batman feel sorry for him. I preffered the story Heart Of Ice more than Batman and Robin's story. Firefly would be great too for some reason, Id really like to see him torch ****.

Then again im not pointing out popular enemies but thats the cool thing about the Batman movie(s) so far, is they havn't used huge named villans, and if they do then they should get cool sub villans that arnt big named that we have not scene before. It would be pretty realistic in some way. Just think of Clayface and Killer Croc. Two-Face and Rubert. Mr. Freeze and Fire Fly (now that would be a great story, ICE VS FIRE).

[newwaveboy87]

Ra's and Scarecrow ARE huge names villians in the comics.

[Elongated_Yen7]

I think a Nolan movie with Killer Croc and clayface would be a little cheesy..

[newwaveboy87]

Killer Croc could be a cameo. no to Clayface.

[7alex]

Ra's and Scarecrow ARE huge names villians in the comics.

Ra's is a big villan, but me presonaly i dont consider Scarecrow that popular.

[Elongated_Yen7]

Yeah.. Clayface will never show up in Nolan's films... I think we might see Mister Freeze in one of them though..

[newwaveboy87]

Ra's is a big villan, but me presonaly i dont consider Scarecrow that popular.
you might not consider him popular but Scarecrow IS a popular villian.

[Elongated_Yen7]

Scarecrow is one of the big Villians.. I mean he is pretty popular.. so 7alex.. I think your on crack or something.

[newwaveboy87]

he showed up early on in the Batman comics and has endured ever since.
he's made his way into just about every animated incarnation as well. cards, action figures, and now the movies.

he's a biggie.

[trustyside-kick]

Heck ya, I loved As The Crow Flies. Just throwing out one of the great Scarecrow stories.

[gamemiester]

Bane and Mr Freeze deserve another chance. In Knightfall it was clear Bane was Batmans Greatest foe, he even says it.

But look at him now, a few rare appearences, 1 appearence in Batman Tas and the batman.

Hes just a mindless thug now, all is power, stategics and intellect have gone now hes just like killer croc nowadays.

[trustyside-kick]

Bane and Mr Freeze deserve another chance. In Knightfall it was clear Bane was Batmans Greatest foe, he even says it.

But look at him now, a few rare appearences, 1 appearence in Batman Tas and the batman.

Hes just a mindless thug now, all is power, stategics and intellect have gone now hes just like killer croc nowadays.

Well in his first appearance of BTAS he was shown as the strategist he is. He next few appearances in TNBAS he was somewhat shown as a strategist especially in that Superman episodes Knight Time.

Schumacher's Batman and Robin and The Batman on KidsWB are the only things I recall him being displayed as the mindless thug that you said in your post. I mainly blame the Schmacher film though for non-comic fan's incorrect view of Bane. Because I mean, more non-comic fans would see that movie then be exposed to watching some cartoon show.

[newwaveboy87]

Bane got in ONE lucky break and hasn't done much worth mentioning since.
Freeze and Ivy deserve a second chance.

[the_scream]

Characters who would work best:

Joker (darker and edgier)
Two-Face (stone cold)
Catwoman (like TAS version)

Characters that would work with some major changes:

Freeze (mostly costume/gun issues)
Ivy (as an extremist who uses plant toxins not killer plants)
Penguin (appearance and backstory changed so he is a mafia-type thug who looks like a penguin)
Riddler (no bright, silly costumes and he could work)
Scarface (so long as the doll is really creepy and in the shadows)

Characters who would not really work:

Clayface
Killer Croc
The Mad Hatter
Man-Bat thing

[StorminNorman]

The thing is that any villan can work with the proper writing - well every villian besides Clayface and Man Bat.

[newwaveboy87]

Characters who would work best:

Joker (darker and edgier)
Two-Face (stone cold)
Catwoman (like TAS version)

Characters that would work with some major changes:

Freeze (mostly costume/gun issues)
Ivy (as an extremist who uses plant toxins not killer plants)
Penguin (appearance and backstory changed so he is a mafia-type thug who looks like a penguin)
Riddler (no bright, silly costumes and he could work)
Scarface (so long as the doll is really creepy and in the shadows)

Characters who would not really work:

Clayface
Killer Croc
The Mad Hatter
Man-Bat thing
Mad Hatter could easily work if you make him a pedo/killer with a fetish for dressing his victims up as Alice. it would also be severely disturbing and make for an unsettling character. the best kind of cameo villian in Batman's world! :eek:

Scarface...dear god...keep that guy FAR away from the movies.

[Two-Face]

Yeah I agree, keep out Scarface and I hate that doll actually I hate dolls much as I hate clowns.

[Anubis73]

Mad Hatter could easily work if you make him a pedo/killer with a fetish for dressing his victims up as Alice. it would also be severely disturbing and make for an unsettling character. the best kind of cameo villian in Batman's world! :eek:

Scarface...dear god...keep that guy FAR away from the movies.

Keep in mind that kida will be watching this and most parents would not bring their kids to see such filthy crap as that.

[Joe Kerr]

Keep in mind that kida will be watching this and most parents would not bring their kids to see such filthy crap as that.
wow... since when do i care??? Jk

[newwaveboy87]

Keep in mind that kida will be watching this and most parents would not bring their kids to see such filthy crap as that.
keep in mind that kids also watched a Batman movie where the villian planned to kill hundreds of innocent children, spate out bile, and said more sexual innuendos than should be allowed in a PG-13 movie.

keep in mind that kids also watched a Batman movie where the two leads were basically gay version of themselves and Robin clutched onto a giantic phallic shapped object.

keep in mind that Batman 89 and Batman Begins REALLY aren't for little kids.

:) :up:

[Anubis73]

... where the two leads were basically gay version of themselves
I can think of one. Who is the other?

and Robin clutched onto a giantic phallic shapped object.


What are you talking about? I must have missed that. Thankfully.

And yes I know that there are things that are in other Batman movies. I was just trying to say that some ideas expressed here ,in my opinion, should not be character traits for future villains. Those things could be reserved for graphic novels and such.

[StorminNorman]

Keep in mind that kida will be watching this and most parents would not bring their kids to see such filthy crap as that.

Hopefully Nolan isnt thinking about making a PG-13 film suitable for 7 and 8 year olds. NewWave had the right idea.

[StorminNorman]

I can think of one. Who is the other?

Batman and Robin


What are you talking about? I must have missed that. Thankfully.

And yes I know that there are things that are in other Batman movies. I was just trying to say that some ideas expressed here ,in my opinion, should not be character traits for future villains. Those things could be reserved for graphic novels and such.

I believe he is talking about the Riddlers staff thingy.

[newwaveboy87]

ummm...no.
Mr Freeze's get away rocket in B&R. Robin attachs himself to it, and the rocket looks like a giantic penis.


Nolan, much like Burton, isn't creating a PG-13 universe that is safe for 7 and 8 yr olds. thank god. :up:

[kame-sennin]

The thing is that any villan can work with the proper writing.

QFT

The rest of your post was intentionally jetisoned for its irrellevance:p.

[Two-Face]

The Answer
Man-Bat
Killer Croc

[Agentsands77]

What Batman villains won't work in Nolan's Batman? Well, for a short answer - the lame ones. The ones that aren't really great in the comics to begin with, and thus wouldn't really work in a movie anyhow.

I do think Nolan's Batman should concentrate on the better of the Batman villains - the ones worthy of being immortalized on the screen.

[trustyside-kick]

What Batman villains won't work in Nolan's Batman? Well, for a short answer - the lame ones. The ones that aren't really great in the comics to begin with, and thus wouldn't really work in a movie anyhow.

Not true. Villains like Firefly may not be big in the comics but on screen and also in this realistic 'Nolanverse' he would be a great villain. Not saying a main villain for the film but he could be in the film and be great.


I do think Nolan's Batman should concentrate on the better of the Batman villains - the ones worthy of being immortalized on the screen.

I can understand and agree with that though.

[Agentsands77]

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[Agentsands77]

Not true. Villains like Firefly may not be big in the comics but on screen and also in this realistic 'Nolanverse' he would be a great villain. Not saying a main villain for the film but he could be in the film and be great.
Nah. He'd be boring. There are far more interesting choices to rely upon for supporting villains.

[trustyside-kick]

Nah. He'd be boring. There are far more interesting choices to rely upon for supporting villains.

If you would consider the fact that this 'Nolanverse' is based on more realistic view of things you would see how they could do a lot to make him more interesting than he is in the comics.

Yea there are more interesting choices but still...I want to avoid re-using villains already seen on screen; Two-Face and Joker are exceptions though.

[newwaveboy87]

he's interesting in his episodes from BTNA. if they could make his character more like that, then i'm all for Firefly.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Mad Hatter could easily work if you make him a pedo/killer with a fetish for dressing his victims up as Alice. it would also be severely disturbing and make for an unsettling character. the best kind of cameo villian in Batman's world! :eek:

Scarface...dear god...keep that guy FAR away from the movies.

Why make him a pedophile? What is the real basis of doing it?

Mad Hatter works as he does. Skip the whole "mind-control" bit and just make him like he was in "BTAS" where he stalks a coworker named Alice at work. So he dresses up as The Mad Hatter and finally kidnaprs her, takes her to his lair which is in a "Storybook Village" type area and than Batman has to come and save her. It works very well as it is. :up: :)

[StorminNorman]

Why make him a pedophile? What is the real basis of doing it?

Mad Hatter works as he does. Skip the whole "mind-control" bit and just make him like he was in "BTAS" where he stalks a coworker named Alice at work. So he dresses up as The Mad Hatter and finally kidnaprs her, takes her to his lair which is in a "Storybook Village" type area and than Batman has to come and save her. It works very well as it is. :up: :)

Well I think making him a pedophile that manipulates children (especially blond hair little girls with the name Alice), brining them into his little "Wonderland" would work very well in the Nolanverse.

[iceberg325]

Well I think making him a pedophile that manipulates children (especially blond hair little girls with the name Alice), brining them into his little "Wonderland" would work very well in the Nolanverse.

Something like that would work if it doesnt stray too far from the source material.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Well I think making him a pedophile that manipulates children (especially blond hair little girls with the name Alice), brining them into his little "Wonderland" would work very well in the Nolanverse.

Well, I admit it's a bit twisted and morbidly dark, but it'd be like someone taking "Peter Pan" and turning him into a pedophile who steals children out of their beds. I mean isn't Michael Jackson enough of pedophile for today's world? lol

I see Mad Hatter as just a guy who's obsessed with a female coworker at his place, or maybe Alice could be a prostitute who dresses like Alice and he starts stalking her like crazy. Writing love sonnets, leaving her roses and chocolates, calling her incessantly, and one day showing up to her doorstep dressed as the Mad Hatter and kidnaps her. To me that'd be more suitable for Nolan's universe.

Remember parents bring little kids to these things because in the parental world nowadays they seem to think their kids can watch anything.

[trustyside-kick]

Well when it comes to Mad Hatter I would prefer him not being some pedophile at all.

He could simply just be so obsessed with Alice in Wonderland and with this obession kidnap kids in Gotham to have them dress up as the characters for a tea party and crap.

To make this even better I would want him to be a lot like Loeb's Hatter and always quoting stuff from Alice in Wonderland.

Of course..you coudl basically take what I said and change it by making him a pedophile and kidnapping girls to 'play dress up'. The main reason why I posted this was because either way I want him to quote lines like Loeb's did. :)

[newwaveboy87]

that's exactly what i had planned for Mad Hatter in my mind!
"playing dress up"....:down :(