Metal Gear Solid 4 Trailer Am Here!!!

[Liquid Snake]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXYM-xQViXs

[Mentok]

Better quality version can be found here...

http://www.metalgearsolid.org/

*WARNING!*

ITS IN REALPLAYER FORMAT :(

[TheCardPlayer]

I never thought I'd say this but.



Raiden ****ing owned. God!

[Mentok]

I agree.

[The Trainman]

Raiden scares me. :(

[Boom]

Wow...Snake looks worse than TGS..

And I really am not fond of the new Raiden. His head looks misshapen, his eyes are too big, and his mouth looks weird. He looks like a damn alien.

[The Trainman]

Or a goth.

[Boom]

Ocelot was un-****in-believable though.

[Spider-Gamer]

Ocelot was un-****in-believable though.
I have to agree. :up:

[Mentok]

Or a goth.

RAiden has always been EMO.

[Spider-Gamer]

RAiden has always been EMO.
He should have black hair instead of white. :o

[LastSunrise1981]

HOLY SWEET JESUS!!!!!!:eek: :eek:

It's already been confirmed that Snake won't die in the series. But damn, that was such a tense and creepy scene at the end.

[Mentok]

He should have black hair instead of white. :o

White is the new black :up:

[hey yo its sean]

Wow...Snake looks worse than TGS..

And I really am not fond of the new Raiden. His head looks misshapen, his eyes are too big, and his mouth looks weird. He looks like a damn alien.
Or half man/half machine.

[hey yo its sean]

That **** rocked my socks off, btw. I don't know what to expect from this game..

[Spider-Gamer]

White is the new black :up:
Because of that I took of my black shirt off and put on a white shirt. Okay, not really, but I thought that it was funny. :o

[Liquid Snake]

Wow is it just me or does ocelot seriously looks like The Sorrow, his father

[LastSunrise1981]

Wow is it just me or does ocelot seriously looks like The Sorrow, his father

I noticed that too. Good eye. :up: :up:

[Liquid Snake]

http://brianbebop.tripod.com/ocelot.JPG

[Jager X]

was snake's face deteriorating at the end?

[Wolfwood]

Whoa, Raiden was looking all kinds of ****ed up.

Snake looks even more haggrad then he did in the first teaser, its depressing seeing everyone so worn and tired then not to mention seeing Snake put the gun in his mouth and say "Some bloodlines must end." I'm gonna need a pick me up after this game, just like when I played KOTOR on Dark Side. :o

[Zenien]

Snake looks even uglier now compared to the old trailer. :D

[Liquid Snake]

No he doesnt.

http://brianbebop.tripod.com/raiden.JPG
http://brianbebop.tripod.com/raiden2.JPG
http://brianbebop.tripod.com/raiden3.JPG
http://brianbebop.tripod.com/snake1.JPG
http://brianbebop.tripod.com/snake3.JPG

[Wolfwood]

He's uglier man, but it's whats on the inside that counts right?

[guitarsingerguy]

Awesome trailer. What the **** was Raiden in though? It looked like the ninja suit. I never played part 2 if that has anything to do with it.

[Zenien]

It might just be me, but aside from seeing all the characters, the game looks worse detail wise than a year ago. It might just be the feed...

[TheCardPlayer]

If you think that's bad, don't look at Tekken.

[Zenien]

Oh, believe me I have seen it, no Tekken for me since I don't think the game will have nay huge changes over Tekken 5.

SUPER DUPER QUALITY GUYS

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?type=mov&id=10432

[TheCardPlayer]

I'm pretty sure Namco will make Soul Calibur 4 PS3 exclusive too. I can't wait to see that. I always prefered SC to Tekken.

[Mentok]

It might just be me, but aside from seeing all the characters, the game looks worse detail wise than a year ago. It might just be the feed...

YEah, looks a tad worse than the old trailer.

[Zenien]

If Namco is smart they'll make Soul Calibur 4 multiplatform, SC3 sucks anyway.

[Phaser]

Ugh!

The music...sucked ass (oh how I wished I could jump into the screen and strangle that *****).
Snake's look...sucked ass.
Raiden's face...sucked ass.
MGS4's 2007 release date...sucked ass.

Snake looks like he belongs in a wheelchair rather than in a sneaking suit. It would've been pretty kickass to see Solid "Harman Smith" Snake. :( :up:

On the upside of things -

The graphics were pretty good (I DL'd the HD version from Gamespot)
Campbell, Otacon, Meryl, Naomi and Ocelot looked pretty good.
Snake's sneaking suit looked excellent with it's darker colours.

Raiden appears to be more of a badass, but still is a bit too feminine for my tastes.

Overall, my thoughts are mixed slightly weighing towards the negative. I guess Snake is right. Some bloodline must come to an end.

[James"007"Bond]

I really dont know what to say about this......

[Boom]

It's just...the look and the feel are COMPLETELY different than ANY other MG game. It...doesn't even look like a MGS game.

[Horrorfan]

I wonder if there's a mini game where snake messes himself and someone has to come clean him up....

[Mr. Credible]

damn... anyone got any pictures of it?

i'm stuck at work for most of the day, and i'm dying here!

[DorkyFresh]

this game will definitely test Metal Gear fans' loyalty to the series since there are quite a few drastic changes...

...but really and truely, they're just VISUAL changes. Snake is still the same Snake, he's just gotten older. Raiden is still Raiden...he just has a cooler suit, etc. either way, i still can't wait to get my hands on this game. as deep as the previous games were...this one looks as deep as an abyss.

now if we could just get Kojima to remake the first 2 metal gears for the ps3, hehe.

[ToddIsDead]

I didn't watch the whole thing. I'm not really interested. I'll get around to it though.

[hey yo its sean]

I didn't watch the whole thing. I'm not really interested. I'll get around to it though.
...

Alright?

...

[Liquid Snake]

I didn't watch the whole thing. I'm not really interested. I'll get around to it though.No one really cares.

[Liquid Snake]

Ugh!

The music...sucked ass (oh how I wished I could jump into the screen and strangle that *****).
Snake's look...sucked ass.
Raiden's face...sucked ass.
MGS4's 2007 release date...sucked ass.

Snake looks like he belongs in a wheelchair rather than in a sneaking suit. It would've been pretty kickass to see Solid "Harman Smith" Snake. :( :up:

On the upside of things -

The graphics were pretty good (I DL'd the HD version from Gamespot)
Campbell, Otacon, Meryl, Naomi and Ocelot looked pretty good.
Snake's sneaking suit looked excellent with it's darker colours.

Raiden appears to be more of a badass, but still is a bit too feminine for my tastes.

Overall, my thoughts are mixed slightly weighing towards the negative. I guess Snake is right. Some bloodline must come to an end.


I didnt like raiden's face, but his hair physics are incredible when he's doing the backflips.
I actually like snakes look, especially when hes saluting at the grave. His face says more than any conry mgs dialouge.

The only problem I have right ow is that the graphics dont really good that great. It's pretty good compared tot he crap you're seeing on Xbo360 and Ps3 games but for MGS stantards its not that far away from MGS3, just look at the cemetary scene or the helicopter landing. It looks meh to me.

The best thing for me was probably Otacon, He his model looks way ahead of all the other ones, and when he cries you can see the animation in the eye.

[Stringer]

Isnt Konami's conference today? If so we'll be getting some more info:up:

[Liquid Snake]

Yeah it is. New trailer too from what Ive heard.

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/305/mgs4isamazing8kn.jpg

[Mr. Credible]

damn... Raiden looks like one of the bad guys from Advent Children... on meth.

[Binker]

The SUPER DUPER QUALITY does not work.

Please fix.

[Phaser]

I didnt like raiden's face, but his hair physics are incredible when he's doing the backflips.

And who gives a **** about that? Oh look, Raiden's hair is moving exactly in sync with the windspeed in the game, factoring air resistance from the backflip movements and the inertia when he lands on that Metal Gear.

H4RDC0R33!1!!

:rolleyes:

I actually like snakes look, especially when hes saluting at the grave. His face says more than any conry mgs dialouge.

He's just standing there saluting. No real emotion on his face whatsoever.

The only problem I have right ow is that the graphics dont really good that great. It's pretty good compared tot he crap you're seeing on Xbo360 and Ps3 games but for MGS stantards its not that far away from MGS3, just look at the cemetary scene or the helicopter landing. It looks meh to me.

Gears of War alone craps on those visuals in terms of detail.

The best thing for me was probably Otacon, He his model looks way ahead of all the other ones, and when he cries you can see the animation in the eye.

Yeah, Otacon looked great and as much it saddens and pains me to say, looked far more appropriate for the title of the protagonist than old man Snake (don't even try suggesting Raiden). But there are a few good changes in Snake's look that I approve of - the moustache seems trimmed, or at least a lot thinner than the thick pornstar slapjob in the TGS trailer and the darker colors of the sneaking suit and the bandanna.

[Liquid Snake]

Calm the **** down, i just noticed raiden hair, i didnt say it was worth the $500.

[Horrorfan]

Calm the **** down, i just noticed raiden hair, i didnt say it was worth the $500.


$600. Plus the $60 for the game. So more or less $700. For one game.

[Binker]

I just saw it via IGN. It looks good. But sometimes trailers move me to the FX/sound/music and both this and the previous trailer to MGS4 didn't do that. I know more trailers will come but I suppose this is a way of holding back HUGE spoilers.

I like Raiden, is he a goth or a cyborg? The women look hot and aged nicely compared to Snake.

Why......2007...

[Wolfwood]

Snake is supposed to be aging faster then normal right?

[Zenien]

Yes, I think it's humourous that Snake looks even uglier now then he did last year, and there were people complaining about him looking too ugly a year ago. :o

Holy crap Phaser turn off once in a while.

[Phaser]

Solid Snake can kiss my ass now (besides, from the looks of where he is heading, he won't be able to kiss anything either way). That's it, I'm defecting to the Splinter Cell camp, backing Sam Fisher as the best possible candidate for the "Biggest Badass in the Stealth Genre".

:(

[Matt]

Holy ****, this game is gonna rock...but why does Raiden look to be the new cyborg ninja?

[Matt]

It's just...the look and the feel are COMPLETELY different than ANY other MG game. It...doesn't even look like a MGS game.

Kojima said the forest setting was going to completely change the Metal Gear series back when MGS3 was being released....this time I don't think he's bluffing.

[Electro UK]

Oh god, the trailer is loading, I can hardly breathe... :D

Well... I dunno what to say... its was just a bit well odd really. I mean it was ****ing awesome... but as its already been said, didn't feel like MGS... but this is orgasmic stuff.

[Carter]

$600. Plus the $60 for the game. So more or less $700. For one game.

I'll buy it

[Stringer]

^Thats damn right.

[Electro UK]

I'd gladdly pay more. :up:

Ok thoughts about the trailer then:

Raiden looks... odd. I'm for the look though, its cool and a nice little tribute to Grey Fox, which I'm all for. :up:

Ocelot/Liquid doesn't really get me going, I was against the whole arm thing anyway but I didn't want to see Liquid, such an awesome character, so I guess there's a plus side to it all. Also, glasses? What's up with that?

Sudden return of so many characters is great (Meryl looks hot). Good to see such a strong cast return, no mention of Vamp or Big Boss though.

Raiden's action scene was great... Snake just seemed to stand around but he's old, we'll let him off.

The ending scene was fantastic Snake won't kill himself I know, but it was heartbreaking just to watch it in a trailer.

Metal Gears everywhere = ONE HECK OF A GAME!

All in all, 10/10, I'm going to spend the rest of my days inventing a time machine so I can go forward into the year 2225, then the PS3 is FINALLY released and I won't have to wait any longer. :(

[Horrorfan]

Looks like people are as stupid as I always suspected ;)

[Aiden]

That looks amazing

[Electro UK]

Looks like people are as stupid as I always suspected ;)

Hey its MGS, I'd sacrifice my soul for MGS :p

[hippie_hunter]

I just saw it via IGN. It looks good. But sometimes trailers move me to the FX/sound/music and both this and the previous trailer to MGS4 didn't do that. I know more trailers will come but I suppose this is a way of holding back HUGE spoilers.

I like Raiden, is he a goth or a cyborg? The women look hot and aged nicely compared to Snake.

Why......2007...

Raiden reminds me of Grey Fox, he looks somewhat dead. And Snake aged so much is because his body is starting to degenerate.

[gregtestagent]

I like they "aging" Snake, the futile/depressing feeling of the story, and the old/new/I don't know what... cast of characters.

[Electro UK]

Raiden reminds me of Grey Fox, he looks somewhat dead.

Yeah, as I said in my post, he looks just like Fox back in one of the greatest parts of MGS when he revealed himself... then... well we know. I love the look, Raiden is going to redeem himself in this game imo :up:

[Liquid Snake]

raiden probably got the suit from olga(or inspired by her since she did save his life)

[Electro UK]

raiden probably got the suit from olga(or inspired by her since she did save his life)

Isn't he meant to be looking after her baby in this game?

[kainedamo]

Great looking trailer. Depressed the hell out of me though. It was sad to see Snake...

SPOILERS
Put a gun in his mouth. Heartbreaking.

So what's the deal in this game? Has World War 3 broken out or something? And nanomachines that control emotion and stuff?? Wow!

This is gonna be a great game, and maybe Snake's swan song. I can't wait.

What's Phaser's problem?? I don't understand it.

[Carter]

<-----ahem

[taskmaster]

Too bad I have to wait until the ps3 goes down to atleast 300 dollars before I can play this.

[Phaser]

What's Phaser's problem?? I don't understand it.

The complete absense of logic in Snake's presence...one of many things. :down:

[chi-boy]

The music is so sad. WTF happened to Raiden? He's freaky looking. Meryl looks butch. I guess Snake is gonna be poppin' the blue pills when he taps that ass.

[Capt Throbberson]

Wow they made Raiden into Cyborg Ninja 3. Kojima was right, there's no way I can hate him now :rolleyes:

[hey yo its sean]

Damn, there's no way I can wait till tomorrow for the trailer. ****.

[cyborg ninja 14]

The music reminded me a bit of Black Hawk Down.

[Phaser]

The music reminded me a bit of Black Hawk Down.

I wish I could say the same. Black Hawk Down has one of the most kickass scores ever. I listen to it very often while in my car. But this was nothing like it. It was just some dumb broad wailing on the mic with Japanese strings, while Black Hawk Down had a purely Middle-Eastern flair with a little bit of traditional Hans Zimmer and excellent electronica thrown in the mix for good measure. Let's hope they sign Harry Gregson-Williams to compose the full score for the game like they did with MGS2. Else MGS4 will lose nearly half of it's cinematic punch if the music stays this way.

[Hades]

It looks beautifull. Looks almost like a greek tragedy

[Hellrider]

It looks pretty sick ... I loved every single MGS game, and this one wont be any different. But I doubt Im gonna have it by the time it comes out. 600-700 is alittle too much for 1 game, even if that game is a MGS game.

[Mr. Credible]

i wonder who dies, that Snake is saluting just like Big Boss did in MGS3 ?

[The Batman]

I'm sorry, but Grandpa snake just sucks

[kainedamo]

Phaser, what the hell are you talking about, absence of logic? The guy is old!! This trailer has actually convinced me a beard would look stupid on an aged Snake, so what else is your problem?? And the fact that you said your a Splinter Cell boy now, over changes to the looks of some characters? What is it with guys like you?

I'm sorry, but Grandpa snake just rocks

[Danalys]

http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/e3_2006/

full 15 minute long trailer

[Phaser]

I'm sorry, but Grandpa snake just sucks

Considering this might very well end up being the last time we get to see such a kickass character as Solid Snake, the very thought of him going out with a whimper instead of a Big Bang is painfully sad. Oh well, at least Halo 3 doesn't appear to disappoint in that regard.

[kainedamo]

Damn... when the trailer opens up into windows media player, the player tells me it can't play it because either the server is too busy or I haven't got enough memory.

... Off to delete all my porn then...

[kainedamo]

An aged Batman worked.

An aged Punisher works (the guy is pushing 60, and the art in Punisher MAX shows it).

Why not an aged Snake? I frikkin' love the idea!

We knew right from MGS 1 that Snake ages faster than normal. In this new game, we see the results of this. You would actually rather that Snake stays the same age, with the same beard, like some cartoon character.

This IS Snake's last game, and from the trailer this has the potential to be his swan song. The age thing adds to his character. The whole grumpy man thing he does times 2, age being a hurdle for him to overcome.

The man is the perfect soldier. He was born that way. You really think he couldn't keep in peak physical shape just because he's old? I'd like to think that a perfect soldier can.

Look at Vince McMahon from WWE!! What age is that guy?? Still in peak physical shape, still wrestling.

[Danalys]

Damn... when the trailer opens up into windows media player, the player tells me it can't play it because either the server is too busy or I haven't got enough memory.

... Off to delete all my porn then...

just keep pressing play again after the warning message it'll work eventually. then it'll probably keep buffering quite often.

[kainedamo]

Another thing. Which of the following do you think is more true of Snake...

The degenerative genes catch up with him, and all of a sudden he's an old man. Snake gives up, and just lays in bed all day.

The degenerative genes catch up with him, and all of a sudden he's an old man. Snake continues to fight on, because he's just a badass like that.

Snake beat his genetically superior brother. Snake beat his genetic fate. Snake always overcomes incredible odds. He keeps fighting no matter what!! He FINDS a way!! That's the type of character he is.

Why do you think Snake would give up just 'cause he's old?

[chi-boy]

I wish I could say the same. Black Hawk Down has one of the most kickass scores ever. I listen to it very often while in my car. But this was nothing like it. It was just some dumb broad wailing on the mic with Japanese strings, while Black Hawk Down had a purely Middle-Eastern flair with a little bit of traditional Hans Zimmer and excellent electronica thrown in the mix for good measure. Let's hope they sign Harry Gregson-Williams to compose the full score for the game like they did with MGS2. Else MGS4 will lose nearly half of it's cinematic punch if the music stays this way.

NAh, Gregson-William's stuff sounds like typical Hollywood blockbuster stuff. They need to bring in the japanese composer from 1, bring back that dreary, desolate feeling.

[Phaser]

NAh, Gregson-William's stuff sounds like typical Hollywood blockbuster stuff. They need to bring in the japanese composer from 1, bring back that dreary, desolate feeling.

Oh and the score from MGS1 didn't sound like "typical Hollywood blockbuster stuff"? It's even more generic than HGW's music. :rolleyes:

Harry Gregson-Williams was the best thing to happen to the franchise since, well...Kojima himself.

[Phaser]

The degenerative genes catch up with him, and all of a sudden he's an old man. Snake continues to fight on, because he's just a badass like that.

Yeah, a tired old man putting a gun in his mouth looking ready to pull the trigger to "end it all" sure sounds a lot like the Solid Snake we've come to know and love - real determination and resolve on part of our hero. Truly badass, isn't he?

Suicide is the lowest form of cowardice and the Solid Snake you're talking about would rather die in battle than even think of popping a cap in his own ass. :down:

[hey yo its sean]

Jesus ****ing Christ. People complain too goddamn much.

[kainedamo]

Couldn't care less about The Punisher.

Your loss.

The idea of an aged Snake can also work with a Snake who actually looks like he can lift a gun.

Snake looks in excellent condition to me. The guy is ripped! Because he's got wrinkles means he's not fit enough to lift a gun?

Don't you think it would have been a cop out if they made Snake look, say, late 40s instead of very old and haggered as he looks in the trailer? He has degenerative genes!!

Just because he's old means he's gonna go out with a whimper? I just love that logic.

At what point did I say WWE was real? All I said was that Vince McMahon is damn old, in his late 50s maybe early 60s, he's in INCREDIBLE shape, and is still fit enough to wrestle. Everyone knows wrestling is fake, but you'd have to be an idiot to deny that wrestling every night of the week, sometimes two or three times, takes alot of physical fitness. Sure, Vince doesn't wrestle THAT much, but he's still fit enough to wrestle in PPV matches. Most other guys his age would be out of breath by the time they got to the ring.

Look at how negatively people are reacting to you, Phaser. It's because you complain too god damn much. No one likes a nitpicker.


Yeah, a tired old man putting a gun in his mouth looking ready to pull the trigger to "end it all" sure sounds a lot like the Solid Snake we've come to know and love - real determination and resolve on part of our hero. Truly badass, isn't he?

Way to prejudge the story. Congradulations for being psychic. I think it's a little implied from the trailer that Snake considers killing himself for the greater good. Maybe he has some sorta disease or something? I don't know. What I do know is that you are judging that scene way too much with not enough info.

[James"007"Bond]

I'm a huge fan of the metal gear series and I agree with phaser on some points but the game looks like a drastic departure from its roots. I really hope this game turn out to be a classic. Graphics look great, Raiden looks ugly as
f uck and its 1 thing to make snake look old but to bestow upon him a crippled look is unfair but we'll see.

[ragingdemon155]

Damn trying to see the trailer off the Kojima website but the server is either is busy or isn't up.

Anyway, the shortened version is freaking amazing. Glad to see the characters returning. Loving the fact that Snake is finally starting to show age and the sense of desperation in this game is going to be awesome.

Seriously though, Kojima has a way of twisting things around so I'm sure that everything isn't as it seems. Can't even begin to imagine how amazing the finished version is going to look.

[Hudson]

I liked the music... :(

[DorkyFresh]

i'm tired of hearing how Snake is too old to be fighting in the field. my dad just turned 63 and he just got done building a 30 x 10 foot extension for our house (which is now the den) by himself (with 1 or 2 days worth of my help) in less than 2 months...



....don't give me this bull$#!+ about how Snake is too old to fight for something he's deeply involved in, considering he SHOULD be in better shape than my old man (with sever back problems) who's smoked a pack and a half a day since he was 13.

[Mentok]

i'm tired of hearing how Snake is too old to be fighting in the field. my dad just turned 63 and he just got done building a 30 x 10 foot extension for our house (which is now the den) by himself (with 1 or 2 days worth of my help) in less than 2 months...



....don't give me this bull$#!+ about how Snake is too old to fight for something he's deeply involved in, considering he SHOULD be in better shape than my old man who's smoked a pack and a half a day since he was 13.

But did he have people shooting at him while he was building?











Because that would have been cool :up:

[DorkyFresh]

well he had my mom shooting obscenities from her mouth if that counts *shrug*

[Horrorfan]

Orchestrated crap. No wonder half-wits like you think it is real.


I could care less about MGS, but I have to step in here.

People who think wrestling fans think it's real are way more out of touch with reality than wrestling fans could ever be. We know it's pre determined...so what? You watch movies, and you MUST know that's scripted , right? It's no different. And if you don't think there's real athletisism and risks involved, it just goes to show you know NOTHING about it, and aren't qualified to talk.

His point was McMahon is in awesome shape for a 60 year old, and he is. Hell is awesome shape for ANY age, and unless you look like he does at 60 NOW, which I doubt, you have no room to talk.

Let's face it, you like comics and videogames. Not exactly the most realistic mediums on the planet, unless you somehow think that Batman is the chronicals of a real detective and that Solid Snake is a real, living agent.

[Mr. Credible]

^

Bam!

[The Batman]

you acutally used vince mcmahon as an example of a guy who kicks ass even though hes old? Have you seen a vince mcmahon match? He gets his assed whopped most of the time. You want a realistic idea of what happens when he gets in the ring, watch his match against austin in the st valentines day massacre in 99', or his buried alive match against taker

[kit1982]

you acutally used vince mcmahon as an example of a guy who kicks ass even though hes old? Have you seen a vince mcmahon match? He gets his assed whopped most of the time. You want a realistic idea of what happens when he gets in the ring, watch his match against austin in the st valentines day massacre in 99', or his buried alive match against taker

Yeh I'm thinking a guy like Terry Funk would've been a better example although Vince's match against Shane McMahon at Wrsetlemania 17 was kickass!

[DorkyFresh]

you acutally used vince mcmahon as an example of a guy who kicks ass even though hes old? Have you seen a vince mcmahon match? He gets his assed whopped most of the time.

regardless of what's SCRIPTED in the match....Vince McMahon is still able to get in the ring and wrestle with the rest of them and still be able to walk away on his own 2 legs.

[ragingdemon155]

Its a video game.

Snake is a video game character.

He can appear old and *gasp* still point a gun and shoot.

Remember, it's just a game.

Anyway, This game will own.:up:

[french joker]

does someone have a MP3 of the beautiful music we hear in the trailer ?

[The Ether]

got some big expectations about this game after seeing the trailer but what blew me away the most would have to be splinter cell double agent. Metal Gear got a cinematics and an amazing story but I'm still put off with the fact that Snake is old cause then when Konami makes another game, Snake won't be in it:(. Splinter cell has gameplay with a big possibility that the story might be amazing. either way, 2007 is gonna be another good year for gamers(Y).

[Electro UK]

got some big expectations about this game after seeing the trailer but what blew me away the most would have to be splinter cell double agent. Metal Gear got a cinematics and an amazing story but I'm still put off with the fact that Snake is old cause then when Konami makes another game, Snake won't be in it:(. Splinter cell has gameplay with a big possibility that the story might be amazing. either way, 2007 is gonna be another good year for gamers(Y).

Snake will always be in MGS, Hideo has said it himself.

[Liquid Snake]

did anyof you see the 15 minute trailer? Raiden ****ing owns, Raiden vs Master Cheif; I'd love to see that.

Anyway, Phaser has his opinion, even though I think the old snake one is Nitpicking since snake knows he's lost it, kojima knows if you watch the 15min trailer you'll get it. Its a burden like Otacon says some of you are being way over critcal.

For the graphics he has a good point, the colors seem dull and just meh, and so are some of the textures.

[Boom]

Alright, I watched the 15 minute trailer.

The graphics in the full-length version are better, but they're still degraded from TGS. Apparently Hideo said he didn't want the graphics to be "too realistic," so he toned them down to something that was more "classic Metal Gear." Sounds like an excuse, I know, but whatever. The graphics are still damn good. I just wish they would work on those goddamn textures.

Voice acting was top notch. No complaints in that department.

The dialogue was great. Sounds like this game will be more along the lines of MGS2 in terms of story (which I like).

The music was iffy in certain parts, but it did a good job of maintaining the mood of the trailer.

The Metal Gear Gekkou are ****ing insane. The way they were scaling the walls and ****. Wow.

And now, my favorite topic: Solid/Old Snake. Having watched the trailer a few times, I withdraw my previous criticism. The 15 minute version allows more time to flesh out Snake's character. For those like Phaser who are worried about Snake being too old to fight, don't worry. He gets around pretty good in the trailer. Believe it or not, but this Snake looks YOUNGER than TGS Snake (facially), and does bear more of a resemblance to "classic Snake." And then of course...there is that moustache. Don't know why, but for some reason it's more tolerable in this trailer than the last one. I guess I've seen it enough to the point where it's not as bothersome. One thing I do like about it is that it's a mix of brown and white hair. Nice little touch I thought. I STILL would like to see a beard by the time this game is released (I will remain firm on this), but I think I know why Snake has a 'stache. Consider this:
-Solid Snake is old. Liquid Ocelot is old.
-Solid Snake has white hair. Liquid Ocelot has white hair.
-Solid Snake has a moustache. Liquid Ocelot has a moustache.
Despite some differences in terms of facial structure, both characters have similar characteristics. I suppose this was done to represent the "twin brothers" duality.
One more thing on Snake, the OctoCamo is ****ing sweet. I can't believe they actually did it.

My favorite sequence was the graveyard/helicopter scene.

Oh yeah, the last sequence with Raiden? Jesus ****ing Christ.

[Electro UK]

I can't get the 15 min trailer to work. The link given earlier won't work for me and IGN claims to have it but I can't find it :(

Anyone got any other links? Gametrailers.com doesn't have it yet.

[Liquid Snake]

Alright, I watched the 15 minute trailer.

The graphics in the full-length version are better, but they're still degraded from TGS. Apparently Hideo said he didn't want the graphics to be "too realistic," so he toned them down to something that was more "classic Metal Gear." Sounds like an excuse, I know, but whatever. The graphics are still damn good. I just wish they would work on those goddamn textures.

Voice acting was top notch. No complaints in that department.

The dialogue was great. Sounds like this game will be more along the lines of MGS2 in terms of story (which I like).

The music was iffy in certain parts, but it did a good job of maintaining the mood of the trailer.

The Metal Gear Gekkou are ****ing insane. The way they were scaling the walls and ****. Wow.

And now, my favorite topic: Solid/Old Snake. Having watched the trailer a few times, I withdraw my previous criticism. The 15 minute version allows more time to flesh out Snake's character. For those like Phaser who are worried about Snake being too old to fight, don't worry. He gets around pretty good in the trailer. Believe it or not, but this Snake looks YOUNGER than TGS Snake (facially), and does bear more of a resemblance to "classic Snake." And then of course...there is that moustache. Don't know why, but for some reason it's more tolerable in this trailer than the last one. I guess I've seen it enough to the point where it's not as bothersome. One thing I do like about it is that it's a mix of brown and white hair. Nice little touch I thought. I STILL would like to see a beard by the time this game is released (I will remain firm on this), but I think I know why Snake has a 'stache. Consider this:
-Solid Snake is old. Liquid Ocelot is old.
-Solid Snake has white hair. Liquid Ocelot has white hair.
-Solid Snake has a moustache. Liquid Ocelot has a moustache.
Despite some differences in terms of facial structure, both characters have similar characteristics. I suppose this was done to represent the "twin brothers" duality.
One more thing on Snake, the OctoCamo is ****ing sweet. I can't believe they actually did it.

My favorite sequence was the graveyard/helicopter scene.

Oh yeah, the last sequence with Raiden? Jesus ****ing Christ.
I agree about the graphics, sometimes they look Photorealisitic (Indoor when MG attacks snake; in the beginning (same as TGS version) it looks meh.

[Boom]

I can't get the 15 min trailer to work. The link given earlier won't work for me and IGN claims to have it but I can't find it :(

Anyone got any other links? Gametrailers.com doesn't have it yet.
Try this one:

http://www.phatcorns.com/videos/mgs/mgs4_e3_2006_eng.wmv

[kainedamo]

The 15 minute trailer looks great. Raiden kicks alot of ass. I think he's going to redeem himself in alot of peoples' eyes in several ways. He's gonna be more experienced, less whiney, a much darker character I think.

I love the bit with the MGs thinking Snake was hiding in a box. Very good.

[Electro UK]

Good god...

That is sensational :eek: :up:

[chi-boy]

Oh and the score from MGS1 didn't sound like "typical Hollywood blockbuster stuff"? It's even more generic than HGW's music. :rolleyes:

Harry Gregson-Williams was the best thing to happen to the franchise since, well...Kojima himself.

You do know that HGW didn't write the main theme, and he didn't write most of the in game music either...

[Hudson]

Good gods! Metal Gear movie is coming!

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6150282.html

[hippie_hunter]

Man, Raiden was the s**t :eek:

[Electro UK]

Man, Raiden was the s**t :eek:

I know :eek:

I'm just sitting their, jaw wide open and he flings himself about the screen and kicks the crap out of everything that moves :eek: :up:

Just don't have that gay voice again...

[Hudson]

Man, Raiden was the s**t :eek:
Guess he was alright.:o

[hippie_hunter]

I know :eek:

I'm just sitting their, jaw wide open and he flings himself about the screen and kicks the crap out of everything that moves :eek: :up:

Just don't have that gay voice again...

You need Quinton Flynn again. Just like you need David Hayter. Sorry, but Raiden's voice is going to remain gay. Unlike the Japanese voice, which even in Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty, had a much more masculine voice.

[The Trainman]

All I know for sure is that Solid Snake will not pull the trigger. It would be stupid to include such a scene in a trailer that ruins a big surprise for us MGS fans. If you look closely, there seems to be no sign of Snake's 'Solid Eye' in the preview. More reason to believe that his trip to the Middle East might probably be a short portion of the game. I'm just speculating here, I might be dead wrong on this. But ask yourselves this, why kill off the main character of a best-selling franchise just for shock value? Anyway, I've laid down my two cents on this particular topic, hope I didn't come off as a total fanboy. :)

[Danalys]

http://uk.gamespot.com/ps3/adventure/metalgearsolid4/screenindex.html

the graphics still own everything. you can see damage on ocelot's teeth. don't judge texture quality from low res video.

[chi-boy]

All I know for sure is that Solid Snake will not pull the trigger. It would be stupid to include such a scene in a trailer that ruins a big surprise for us MGS fans. If you look closely, there seems to be no sign of Snake's 'Solid Eye' in the preview. More reason to believe that his trip to the Middle East might probably be a short portion of the game. I'm just speculating here, I might be dead wrong on this. But ask yourselves this, why kill off the main character of a best-selling franchise just for shock value? Anyway, I've laid down my two cents on this particular topic, hope I didn't come off as a total fanboy. :)

How is it shock value? You don't know what leads up to that scene.

[Hudson]

I think everything looks sublime in the 15 minutes trailer and it gave me the chills.. though I saddened to see Snake go, I loved playing him.

[Danalys]

http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/128/926596_20060509_screen001.jpg

[Electro UK]

You need Quinton Flynn again. Just like you need David Hayter. Sorry, but Raiden's voice is going to remain gay. Unlike the Japanese voice, which even in Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty, had a much more masculine voice.

I'm just wanting his voice to sound a little deeper and growlish like Snake. I don't think Raiden's voice'd suit that gothic look now.

Well at least there's no Rose yet.

"Jack... I have a confession... your room aonly has a desk and that's disgusting... blah blah blah... do you want to actually hear me whine or get on with the game?"

[The Trainman]

http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/128/926596_20060509_screen001.jpg

Wow, at first I thought Raiden put some black lipstick just to look emo but thanks to that pic, I see that wasn't the case. :up:

[The Trainman]

How is it shock value? You don't know what leads up to that scene.

I meant by Snake putting a gun to his mouth. That's pretty much a shock value. That's just not like him...

[Electro UK]

So here's a theory: Big Boss is probably coming back... what's to say if Snake dies, he won't come back either?

[The Ether]

Snake will always be in MGS, Hideo has said it himself.I hope your right....I hope your right:(

[The Ether]

You need Quinton Flynn again. Just like you need David Hayter. Sorry, but Raiden's voice is going to remain gay. Unlike the Japanese voice, which even in Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty, had a much more masculine voice.I always thought Hayter did a good Snake, Raiden though I don't remember.

[Carter]

Just as long as Rose doesn't make an appearance.

"Jack, do you remember what day it is?"

[Capt Throbberson]

Not done with the trailer, but I just have to ask 1 thing.

Why are the metal gear's mooing?

Also, Phaser, in a series with a vampire guy, cyborg ninjas, and a man who's arm is controlling his mind, how is an older guy in a battlefield so farfetched?

[chi-boy]

Not done with the trailer, but I just have to ask 1 thing.

Why are the metal gear's mooing?

Also, Phaser, in a series with a vampire guy, cyborg ninjas, and a man who's arm is controlling his mind, how is an older guy in a battlefield so farfetched?

cuz' they're alive. metal gears have always made weird sounds.

[Carter]

The legs are organic.
Kojima said, they are programmed to make different sounds to add to psychological warfare.
One sound is mooing, the other is the sound of cicada's.

[Carter]

I was thinking about how much Otacon has evolved.

In MGS1 he was a pretty frightened and (I hate to use this word) whiney guy. But you still loved the guy. Unlike Raiden.

In MGS2 he was more of a friend and partner to Snake. The secret handshake after Emma died, made me a little teary. (Shutup)

In this new game he seems to be more mature and it just seems like the guy's been through a million battles. He's obviously grown since the first game.

[Liquid Snake]

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/4293/snake17sz.jpg

[hippie_hunter]

I'm starting to think that Snake will pull the trigger in Metal Gear Solid 4, and make the player pull the trigger, just like in Metal Gear Solid 3 where you had to pull the trigger to kill the Boss.

[DorkyFresh]

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/4293/snake17sz.jpg


u know what i find funny about this picture?

show it to anyone over 50 and they'll think it were a photograph of a real person...

[Carter]

Does it bother anybody else that Snake looks like Spider-man's boss?
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/3332/1944248jamesonpa5ga.jpg

[ragingdemon155]

Damn just got to see the 15 minute trailer for the first time.

It was freaking amazing.

Can't wait to see Snake and Raiden team up again since I loved the interactions they had in the first game. Raiden isn't going to "redeem" himself for me since I already loved his character in MGS2.

Anyway, also Snake was freaking awesome in the trailer too. People assume he wouldn't be able to keep up. He was moving around just fine.

This game is going to own badly. Seriously, this and FFXIII are the reasons I'm picking up a PS3. Just like MGS2 and FFX were the reasons I picked up a PS2.

[Liquid Snake]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/jmariamellinas/SNAKE.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/jmariamellinas/RAIDEN.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/jmariamellinas/OTACON.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/jmariamellinas/NAOMI.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/jmariamellinas/MERYL.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/jmariamellinas/LIQUID-OCELOT.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/jmariamellinas/CAMPBELL.jpg

[chi-boy]

nice post, liquidsnake

[Matt]

I'm starting to think that Snake will pull the trigger in Metal Gear Solid 4, and make the player pull the trigger, just like in Metal Gear Solid 3 where you had to pull the trigger to kill the Boss.

Now that would be perhaps the most intense ending in video game history. They do seem to be making Raiden a full-on badass in MGS4...perhaps he is taking over?

[Matt]

i wonder who dies, that Snake is saluting just like Big Boss did in MGS3 ?

My money is on Gray Fox.

[chi-boy]

Now that would be perhaps the most intense ending in video game history. They do seem to be making Raiden a full-on badass in MGS4...perhaps he is taking over?

makes you actually wanna play as him this time around :) but if they base the series around him after this, then it's gonna be like ninja gaiden.

[War Party]

I Love Metal Gear.

[hippie_hunter]

My money is on Gray Fox.

I was thinking the same thing. I has to be either Grey Fox or Master Miller.

[Phaser]

Also, Phaser, in a series with a vampire guy, cyborg ninjas, and a man who's arm is controlling his mind, how is an older guy in a battlefield so farfetched?

Read my last reply to Horrorfan and what I said about "hyper-realism" and "verisimilitude". And if you still don't understand, I'd be only happy to educate you.

[Phaser]

Phaser keep it civil, youa re the most condecending poster on the hype, it would be a shame if you go yourself on probabtion one of these days for being a prick.

I can keep it civil when these jackasses climb off my back.

No one cares.

Apparently they do. Why else would anyone take an issue with what I have to say about MGS4? It's not like I was personally insulting their mothers now, was I?

[Lone]

I'm starting to think that Snake will pull the trigger in Metal Gear Solid 4, and make the player pull the trigger, just like in Metal Gear Solid 3 where you had to pull the trigger to kill the Boss.

I think you're on to something there.

God, I hope not...it would feel like killing an old friend..:(

[James"007"Bond]

You need Quinton Flynn again. Just like you need David Hayter. Sorry, but Raiden's voice is going to remain gay. Unlike the Japanese voice, which even in Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty, had a much more masculine voice.

Hey, Quinton flynn can harden his voice, he was a lil' badass as Johnny Quest.

[XwolverineX]

Pfft... I have been calling it for 6 years, Ninja Raiden.

[XwolverineX]

Metal Gear Portable Ops pwns!!

[Hunter Rider]

Looks amazing,i like old warhorse Snake and Raiden actually looks interesting:eek: :up:

EDIT*anyone got a direct link to the 15 minute trailer ? Flash format hates me :(

[Lightning Strykez!]

Phaser:

May I remind you that you are always required to show your peers here respect--whether you agree with their views or not. Perhaps 2 weeks probation will give you some time to grow up and think of more mature ways to articulate yourself on these boards.

To the rest of you (including Kainedamo)--Consider this a warning: Keep this thread focused on the game. If I see any more flaming here, this thread will be locked and the guilty parties will find themselves on probation too.

[hippie_hunter]

Does it bother anybody else that Snake looks like Spider-man's boss?
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/3332/1944248jamesonpa5ga.jpg

http://solidsnakeisjj.ytmnd.com/

[Mr. Credible]

^

whoa.

[Electro UK]

LMFAO!! :D:up:

God, this really has been a GREAT week for MGS, I was seriously shocked to see Snake in Super Smash Bros 3, its going to kick serious butt. Think of it, if he gets his own missions... AND he'll probably get a character with almost exactly the same moves as him (like Mario getting Dr Mario and Luigi or Link getting Young Link) does this mean we can suspect... LIQUID!?!?!

[Hades]

I was thinking the same thing. I has to be either Grey Fox or Master Miller.
Master Miller was liquid and Grey Fox died..how could it be either of them.

[Carter]

How couldn't it be?
They're both dead, hence the grave

[Electro UK]

Master Miller was liquid and Grey Fox died..how could it be either of them.

They were talking about who Snake was saluting at the grave. So Grey Fox being dead could be him, and Millar was killed by Liquid, who impersonated him in the game, so it could be either of them.

[Mr. Credible]

i was thinking it'd be either Otacon or Meryl in the grave , but that's be stupid since they both (kind of) died in the first game, and Otacon again (almost) in the second. it'd be a bit redundant.

maybe Raiden sacrifices himself for the good of the team? seams to be the going trend with the Ninjas, don't you think? plus, i think it's be a good way to end his story. he finds something to believe in, to fight for, and, ultimately, to die for, like Snake was telling him at the end of MGS2.

[hippie_hunter]

Master Miller was liquid and Grey Fox died..how could it be either of them.

No, Liquid killed Master Miller about 3 days before the Shadow Moses incident and then disguised himself as Master.

We were talking about the grave that Snake was visiting, it's probally the grave of one of his main mentors: Master Miller, Grey Fox, and his enemy Big Boss.

[Carter]

i was thinking it'd be either Otacon or Meryl in the grave , but that's be stupid since they both (kind of) died in the first game, and Otacon again (almost) in the second. it'd be a bit redundant.

maybe Raiden sacrifices himself for the good of the team? seams to be the going trend with the Ninjas, don't you think? plus, i think it's be a good way to end his story. he finds something to believe in, to fight for, and, ultimately, to die for, like Snake was telling him at the end of MGS2.

No. It's shown in the trailer that he goes to the grave before he gets his mission information from the colonel. It's in the beginning. It couldn't be Raiden or Otacon or Meryl.

It could be Big Boss, Fox, or Miller
My money's on Fox

[hippie_hunter]

i was thinking it'd be either Otacon or Meryl in the grave , but that's be stupid since they both (kind of) died in the first game, and Otacon again (almost) in the second. it'd be a bit redundant.
Neither ending in Metal Gear Solid had Otacon dying and the Meryl ending is cannon, not the Otacon ending. Otacon did not almost die in Metal Gear Solid 2 either.

maybe Raiden sacrifices himself for the good of the team? seams to be the going trend with the Ninjas, don't you think? plus, i think it's be a good way to end his story. he finds something to believe in, to fight for, and, ultimately, to die for, like Snake was telling him at the end of MGS2.
But it's obvious that the grave scene is one of the first scenes in Metal Gear Solid 4, it can't be Raiden and if anyone major dies it's going to be Snake.

[Hudson]

Now that would be perhaps the most intense ending in video game history. They do seem to be making Raiden a full-on badass in MGS4...perhaps he is taking over?
God I hope not..
besides.. he seems too uber now.. with all the slicing and dicing..
Now a new Snake clone.. Solid's son ;)

[Mr. Credible]

Neither ending in Metal Gear Solid had Otacon dying and the Meryl ending is cannon, not the Otacon ending. Otacon did not almost die in Metal Gear Solid 2 either.


But it's obvious that the grave scene is one of the first scenes in Metal Gear Solid 4, it can't be Raiden and if anyone major dies it's going to be Snake.

i thought in metal gear solid1, the ending where you saved meryl had otacon staying behind, but i remembered it wrong, i forgot they never blew up the island. my bad.

and why is it obvious that the grave scene is one of the first scenes in mgs4? i'll bet you anything that it's raiden in that grave.

[Mr. Credible]

No. It's shown in the trailer that he goes to the grave before he gets his mission information from the colonel. It's in the beginning. It couldn't be Raiden or Otacon or Meryl.

It could be Big Boss, Fox, or Miller
My money's on Fox

i must have missed that. which trailer was it in? the longer (15 min.) one? because i haven't watched that one yet.

[hippie_hunter]

i thought in metal gear solid1, the ending where you saved meryl had otacon staying behind, but i remembered it wrong, i forgot they never blew up the island. my bad.

and why is it obvious that the grave scene is one of the first scenes in mgs4? i'll bet you anything that it's raiden in that grave.

Because in the 15 min trailer, Otacon comes in by helicopter tells Snake to come on and then Campbell gives him the details about the mission: Liquid is in the Middle East amassing a large army to obtain Big Boss's dream.

[Electro UK]

i must have missed that. which trailer was it in? the longer (15 min.) one? because i haven't watched that one yet.

Yes, Otacon approaches Snake in the scene and brings him on board a chopper where the Colonel briefs him. I'm jusy hoping it'll start exactly with that close up on Snake's face, saluting, it'd be nice to see the exact same shot being using in the start, after it being the last shot in 3

[Mr. Credible]

damn, i was under the impression that the 15 minute trailer was just the older 9 minute trailer put together with the new one... i'm not sure why i thought that.

where can i find the 15 minute one? i tivo'd E3, is it on there?

[hippie_hunter]

http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/e3_2006/

[Capt Throbberson]

i was thinking it'd be either Otacon or Meryl in the grave , but that's be stupid since they both (kind of) died in the first game, and Otacon again (almost) in the second. it'd be a bit redundant.

maybe Raiden sacrifices himself for the good of the team? seams to be the going trend with the Ninjas, don't you think? plus, i think it's be a good way to end his story. he finds something to believe in, to fight for, and, ultimately, to die for, like Snake was telling him at the end of MGS2.
Yeah, but Raiden's probably in whatever country he's in because of snake, and the grave scene was before the mission.

I think it's Fox, small chance it's Olga.

[Boom]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/jmariamellinas/SNAKE.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/jmariamellinas/RAIDEN.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/jmariamellinas/OTACON.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/jmariamellinas/NAOMI.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/jmariamellinas/MERYL.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/jmariamellinas/LIQUID-OCELOT.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/jmariamellinas/CAMPBELL.jpg
These images depress me. Seriously.

The graphics are okay (hopefully they'll be worked on), but some of the character have serious changes from their previous models. The MGS2 models were perfect in terms of design. All they needed to do was render those models with PS3 graphics and age them appropriately.

Looking at MGS2 Snake and MGS4 Snake makes me sad. They don't even look like the same person.

[Mr. Credible]

the only big changes i see are Snake (obviously) and Naomi.

everyone else looks great!

[Boom]

the only big changes i see are Snake (obviously) and Naomi.

everyone else looks great!
Ocelot looks different too. Just compare his facial features.

And seriously, I am perfectly fine with the CONCEPT of Old Snake. But as of late they're doing a pretty bad job at designing him. Just my honest opinion.

They have one more E3 and two more TGS's to get it right.

[Capt Throbberson]

After seeing the trailer, the 'stache makes more sense than the scruffy beards people wanted.

[hippie_hunter]

These images depress me. Seriously.

The graphics are okay (hopefully they'll be worked on), but some of the character have serious changes from their previous models. The MGS2 models were perfect in terms of design. All they needed to do was render those models with PS3 graphics and age them appropriately.

Looking at MGS2 Snake and MGS4 Snake makes me sad. They don't even look like the same person.

Only Snake and Raiden look significantly different. Snake because his body is degenerating and Raiden because of his new suit. The rest look like they have aged perfectly along the time span that occured between Metal Gear Solid and Metal Gear Solid 4

[Boom]

After seeing the trailer, the 'stache makes more sense than the scruffy beards people wanted.
How so?
Only Snake and Raiden look significantly different. Snake because his body is degenerating and Raiden because of his new suit. The rest look like they have aged perfectly along the time span that occured between Metal Gear Solid and Metal Gear Solid 4
That's not what I'm saying. I understand the reason behind Snake's look. He'd old, because his body's decaying. That's understandable, and that's fine.

What I'm saying is, he doesn't even look like an aged Snake. Certain facial features are noticeably different. MGS4 Snake doesn't look like MGS2 Snake after six years.

[Liquid Snake]

You cant just take PS2 models and make them life like with teh oh noes Ps3 graphics :rolleyes:

When you put more and more detail into the characters they start to look different. Its like DOA4, those kind of art style cannot use realistic features and still maintain the look of the series.

The facial characteristics are different because they are realistic, and he looks better(not as ugly). They changed alot of characteristics from MGS1 to MGS2 (you can see in the character art, same as here)

And the tache makes sense to everyone except you, all you expecting from the series is to be ubber kewl oh no ninja raiden action? Most military vets have mustaches and it fits the character, it shows that he's a pro, been doing it all his life. Its little details like that that give the character his background and basically say his personality in the way he looks.

[Boom]

You cant just take PS2 models and make them life like with teh oh noes Ps3 graphics :rolleyes:

When you put more and more detail into the characters they start to look different. Its like DOA4, those kind of art style cannot use realistic features and still maintain the look of the series.
And this means they can't make Snake more like his old self...why? You think the way he looks in the trailer is end-all-be-all? You're telling me that's the CLOSEST they can get him to his old self in terms of facial structuring?

And the tache makes sense to everyone except you, all you expecting from the series is to be ubber kewl oh no ninja raiden action? Most military vets have mustaches and it fits the character, it shows that he's a pro, been doing it all his life. Its little details like that that give the character his background and basically say his personality in the way he looks.
Such an ignorant statement. A moustache makes just as much sense as a beard. Your logic is a moustache shows he's a pro, since a moustache is a stereotypical war vet attribute. My logic is a beard shows Solid Snake's rough, worn look, and shows that he doesn't take time to maintain his image. No matter what way you look at it, both perspectives are true to his character. It's merely a matter of opinion as to what looks better. Neither makes more sense than the other. I am curious though. WHEN in this topic did I say a moustache didn't make sense? I merely asked another person why they thought it makes the MOST sense. Pardon me for being curious.

And yes, clearly I am like that. After all, I've been saying since day one that I wanted yet another Gray Fox rehash. OMG RAIden IS teH ****Z now thaT HE is TEh NInjA LOLl!!! So KEWl. 4 RL.

[Hunter Rider]

And this means they can't make Snake more like his old self...why? You honestly think the way he looks in the trailer is end-all-be-all? You're telling me that's the CLOSEST they can get him to his old self in terms of facial structuring? Okay, sure.

I think they did a good job with the facials but i'll be honest im a casual gamer and maybe don't look as closely as some


Such an ignorant statement. A moustache makes just as much as sense as a beard. Your logic is a moustache shows he's a pro, since a moustache is a stereotypical war vet attribute. My logic is a beard shows Solid Snake's rough, worn look. It's merely a matter of opinion. Nothing makes more sense than the other. I am curious though. WHEN in this topic did I say a moustache didn't make sense? I merely asked another person why they thought it makes the MOST sense. Pardon me for being curious.

And yes, clearly I am like that. After all, I've been saying since day one that I wanted yet another Gray Fox rehash. OMG RAIden IS teH ****Z now thaT HE is TEh NInjA LOLl!!!

I agree that a beard would have been a better look,the character in this one at this stage of his career reminds me of Sean Connery's character in The Rock

[Zenien]

Graphics wise the trailer is pretty inconsistent, but I think that has a lot more to do with the style of the graphics (textures being done by hand) how they're doing the bloom, depth of feild effect, and the general style, than it not being technically really freaking good. Because you can tell it is if you look. Also, maybe a lot of the textures for the game area aren't finished yet, because there are some shots that are omg (like when Snake is walking around the corner and turns into the small area right before seeing the MG and the body, look at the wall it's amazing). Even the stairs he's runing up you're like "ho hum" and then when Snakes foot gets snagged and the camera zooms in you're like "those are some detailed stairs".

He looks a lot like Snake to me. :confused:

[Boom]

He looks a lot like Snake to me. :confused:
He does more than the TGS trailer, but I think they could do better. Just a personal opinion is all.

[Hellrider]

Well, its official, Raiden OWNS.

After watching the trailer, I'm even more impressed about this game, the story seems like it might be good.

[Capt Throbberson]

He does more than the TGS trailer, but I think they could do better. Just a personal opinion is all.

He looked different in MGS3 too. (Even though it was Big Boss, but in some features they used him as Solid Snake.)

[Liquid Snake]

Graphics wise the trailer is pretty inconsistent, but I think that has a lot more to do with the style of the graphics (textures being done by hand) how they're doing the bloom, depth of feild effect, and the general style, than it not being technically really freaking good. Because you can tell it is if you look. Also, maybe a lot of the textures for the game area aren't finished yet, because there are some shots that are omg (like when Snake is walking around the corner and turns into the small area right before seeing the MG and the body, look at the wall it's amazing). Even the stairs he's runing up you're like "ho hum" and then when Snakes foot gets snagged and the camera zooms in you're like "those are some detailed stairs".

He looks a lot like Snake to me. :confused:the smashed wall? Lol I have tried to get shots of that but WMV wont do it. Those are probably some of the best textures I've seen. Good Eye.

[Danalys]

i think that if you took the MGS4 models and stripped tham down to the number of polygons of MSG2 they'd look really similar. the MGS4 versions are exactly how the older version are ment to look. if we had these graphics at the time of MGS2 they all would have had more sculptured jaws and all the other little differences that the limitations of past tech didn't allow them to do. was anyone upset that snake looked different between MGS and MGS2 for the same reasons, no.

[Hades]

I don't remember Solid's face being so skinny...or Otacon's being so...square. Otacon looks massively differerent facial wise.

[chi-boy]

snake turned more kid rock/redneckish in MGS2.

[chi-boy]

anyone upset that snake looked different between MGS and MGS2 for the same reasons, no.

I kinda was. He looked too white trash in MGS2. I got over it though. I think grandpa snake looks fine in MGS4. I don't see what the big deal is over the mustache. Dude wears a sweatband and mullet for christ's sake.

[kit1982]

I dunno why but I was kinda underwhelmed by Raiden, I mean they tried to make him look badass in the trailer and to a degree they succeded but I just thought its cool and all but its not Snake. I mean if they did kill snake off do you think it'd work with Raiden as a replacement? Would he be well recieved? I'm not so sure

[Liquid Snake]

Boom I got something for you.

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/3995/youngsnake9sw.jpg

[Mentok]

Just watched the full 15 minute trailer... *faints*

[Zenien]

Drool

/post

[Mr. Credible]

i can't watch the full 15 minute trailer... my player craps out after about 7 minutes every time.

dang it.

[XwolverineX]

i can't watch the full 15 minute trailer... my player craps out after about 7 minutes every time.

dang it.


Where can you get it!?

[Electro UK]

Look back through the thread, lots of links for it. Its amazing. :up:

[DorkyFresh]

first half of 15 minute trailer
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dBMu49DTGiM&search=metal%20gear%2015

second half
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BJgNpyXyjSs&search=metal%20gear%2015

[SpideyLad]

This game is going to be fantastical....:up:

[James"007"Bond]

Boom I got something for you.

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/3995/youngsnake9sw.jpg

Imagine if snake looked similar to this in mgs4.

[Liquid Snake]

Imagine if snake looked similar to this in mgs4.Yeah, I think thats Snake at his peak (its from MGS3 with suit from MGS2).

[James"007"Bond]

Yeah. However, after watching the trailer I could careless about his age and how he looks now, this game looks awesome and snake doesn't look as though he's slowed down. He still appears to move the way he's always done. This game is going to be epic.

[Boom]

While I liked the Big Boss model alot, I wouldn't have used it for MGS4 Solid Snake. At least, not the way it is. If they were to give him a mix of gray and brown hair, shorten the beard and stache, and age him appropriately, that would have been perfect.

In the issue of Famitsu that came out today, Hideo said the graphics would improve. Call me persistent, ignorant, stubborn, whatever. I still hold onto the hope that Hideo will make changes.

And Liquid, thanks for the SSB Solid Snake picture. It is teh sexxorz.

[XwolverineX]

I like young Snake from MGS1, then 'Gruff Snake from MGS2, then last old Snake for MGS4. But, I still find him cool looking.

[Zenien]

As some of you heard there was a conference yesterday that covered MGS4, Gears of War, and Red Steel, I attended and I'll post some of the more interesting things Kojima said.

-Raiden will not be playable in any form.
-They have taken particular care in the way the Metal Gears move to make them feel alive.
-When one of the Metal Gear's busts through the wall its destroyed differently each time due to the new physics based destructable enviroments.
-The Solid Eye system is still planned for the final game.
-You'll be able to fight alongside the Arab soldiers you see in the beginning of the trailer.
-He intends to showoff what they've done with the gameplay at TGS.

Thats pretty much it, there will also be more info on May 12 when the newest issue of Famitsu is released, it has an interview with Kojima.
---

SOLID EYE is still in! Excellent.

[XwolverineX]

As some of you heard there was a conference yesterday that covered MGS4, Gears of War, and Red Steel, I attended and I'll post some of the more interesting things Kojima said.

-Raiden will not be playable in any form.
-They have taken particular care in the way the Metal Gears move to make them feel alive.
-When one of the Metal Gear's busts through the wall its destroyed differently each time due to the new physics based destructable enviroments.
-The Solid Eye system is still planned for the final game.
-You'll be able to fight alongside the Arab soldiers you see in the beginning of the trailer.
-He intends to showoff what they've done with the gameplay at TGS.

Thats pretty much it, there will also be more info on May 12 when the newest issue of Famitsu is released, it has an interview with Kojima.
---

SOLID EYE is still in! Excellent.


For some reason, that's got me the most excited. MGS4 is war.

[cyborg ninja 14]

I wonder if the game's setting will take place strictly in the Middle East or other locations as well?

[Liquid Snake]

I wonder if the game's setting will take place strictly in the Middle East or other locations as well?He said all over the world.

[블라스]

Is the trailer actual gameplay footage?
Otherwise, I wouldn't be interested in downloading at the moment.

[XwolverineX]

Is the trailer actual gameplay footage?
Otherwise, I wouldn't be interested in downloading at the moment.


Nope, no gameplay.

[블라스]

Thanks.
No dice then.

[XwolverineX]

Thanks.
No dice then.


You can watch it on Youtube also though.

[TheCardPlayer]

Jeebus creebus.

Trench coat + Armor + Twin Katanas + Killing 20 soldiers and a mech in 20 seconds = Raiden?


I am watching the trailer over and over and over. Why did Kojima make him not playable. He was playable when he sucked and now that he rocks we can't use him.

GRRR!

[Capt Throbberson]

Jeebus creebus.

Trench coat + Armor + Twin Katanas + Killing 20 soldiers and a mech in 20 seconds = Raiden?


I am watching the trailer over and over and over. Why did Kojima make him not playable. He was playable when he sucked and now that he rocks we can't use him.

GRRR!

He's still the same crappy character

Only now they made him into a Grey Fox clone.

[chi-boy]

what if that naked big boss sketch is actually liquid???

[hippie_hunter]

what if that naked big boss sketch is actually liquid???

It's not because Liquid was buried in Solid Snake's grave.

[chi-boy]

It's not because Liquid was buried in Solid Snake's grave.

not if they cloned his body and then reimplanted his arm unto it.

[chi-boy]

Why did Kojima make him not playable. He was playable when he sucked and now that he rocks we can't use him.

GRRR!

If they made Raiden playable it would be called MGS: Ninja Gaiden Sword Whuppin' Action instead of Tactical Espionage Action.

[Zenien]

Thanks.
No dice then.

I would suggest taking a look, mr not hardcore enough to get past the redbrick house in MGS3. :o

Seriously it's cool. :o

Kojima will show off MGS4 gameplay at TGS2006.

[hippie_hunter]

not if they cloned his body and then reimplanted his arm unto it.

1. Liquid's arm is on Ocelot.
2. Why would they waste time to reclone Liquid and not bring it to life?
3. A clone can't age that fast without being alive.
4. Snake and Otacon stole Liquid's body and buried it into Snake's grave
5. Why clone Liquid when you could perfect the cloning process and have another Big Boss clone?

[블라스]

I would suggest taking a look, mr not hardcore enough to get past the redbrick house in MGS3. :o

Seriously it's cool. :o

Kojima will show off MGS4 gameplay at TGS2006.

You know how to hurt me :(

[XwolverineX]

Raiden's not playable because he jumps 50 feet high.



And I so called Raiden being a Ninja a year ago on IGN.

[The Trainman]

I would suggest taking a look, mr not hardcore enough to get past the redbrick house in MGS3. :o

Seriously it's cool. :o

Kojima will show off MGS4 gameplay at TGS2006.

G... G-GGGG-GG-G... Gameplay??!!??!!... :eek:

[chi-boy]

1. Liquid's arm is on Ocelot.
2. Why would they waste time to reclone Liquid and not bring it to life?
3. A clone can't age that fast without being alive.
4. Snake and Otacon stole Liquid's body and buried it into Snake's grave
5. Why clone Liquid when you could perfect the cloning process and have another Big Boss clone?

The answers are in front of you friend. Perfect the cloning process, and transfer Liquid's arm unto the clone. Why would Liquid want to be stuck on Ocelot's old body, when he can be transfered to a fresh, new perfected BB clone?

1. I know, his body is useless now. It's his arm that transferred his mind unto Ocelot. Transfer the arm unto the new clone.

2 & 3. They could clone anyone, but it wouldn't contain their personality or memories. And who said it wouldn't be alive? It would be in a veggie state and age rapidly until it hit it's prime, then they'd transfer the arm unto it. It's been done in most sci fi stories involving cloning.

4. The body is useless. His magical arm is all that matters.

5. You're riight. Perfect the cloning process and transfer your mind into a superior body. You think Snake is going to die? Of course not. He's going to stumble upon a laboratory and transfer his mind into a fresh new BB body.

[hippie_hunter]

The answers are in front of you friend. Perfect the cloning process, and transfer Liquid's arm unto the clone. Why would Liquid want to be stuck on Ocelot's old body, when he can be transfered to a fresh, new perfected BB clone?

1. I know, his body is useless now. It's his arm that transferred his mind unto Ocelot. Transfer the arm unto the new clone.

2 & 3. They could clone anyone, but it wouldn't contain their personality or memories. And who said it wouldn't be alive? It would be in a veggie state and age rapidly until it hit it's prime, then they'd transfer the arm unto it. It's been done in most sci fi stories involving cloning.

4. The body is useless. His magical arm is all that matters.

5. You're riight. Perfect the cloning process and transfer your mind into a superior body. You think Snake is going to die? Of course not. He's going to stumble upon a laboratory and transfer his mind into a fresh new BB body.

That would be stupid. I think that Snake is going to die in Metal Gear Solid 4, despite what Kojima says. And he'll make the player, pull the trigger

[chi-boy]

That would be stupid. I think that Snake is going to die in Metal Gear Solid 4, despite what Kojima says. And he'll make the player, pull the trigger

Stupid? H-have... have you ever played an MGS game? :confused:

[Hudson]

That would be stupid. I think that Snake is going to die in Metal Gear Solid 4, despite what Kojima says. And he'll make the player, pull the trigger
I hope they have some other person to take the mantle than Raiden...
A new Snake clone I hope... maybe Naomi creates him:o
Maybe Olga's child was a Snake clone...:up:

[Zenien]

The answers are in front of you friend. Perfect the cloning process, and transfer Liquid's arm unto the clone. Why would Liquid want to be stuck on Ocelot's old body, when he can be transfered to a fresh, new perfected BB clone?

1. I know, his body is useless now. It's his arm that transferred his mind unto Ocelot. Transfer the arm unto the new clone.

2 & 3. They could clone anyone, but it wouldn't contain their personality or memories. And who said it wouldn't be alive? It would be in a veggie state and age rapidly until it hit it's prime, then they'd transfer the arm unto it. It's been done in most sci fi stories involving cloning.

4. The body is useless. His magical arm is all that matters.

5. You're riight. Perfect the cloning process and transfer your mind into a superior body. You think Snake is going to die? Of course not. He's going to stumble upon a laboratory and transfer his mind into a fresh new BB body.

Interesting idea, remember when Liquid says "We are free from the bonds of fate. Brother, we are free!"

It could be alluding to that sort of thing, since I'm not sure how else they would break free of their fate (to die).

Though I don't think that Snake will be un-aged or re-cloned, is anything his cellular decay might be stopped in MGS4, but I can't see them pulling off a rebirth angle without it being corny, especially with the opressive finality in that trailer. We'll see.

[chi-boy]

I was more or less kidding with that last bit about Snake, but it all makes perfect sense for Liquid - taking over Outer Heaven after MGS2, his inferiority complex with Snake, his obsession with Big Boss, having no body to call his own, etc etc...

[hippie_hunter]

Stupid? H-have... have you ever played an MGS game? :confused:

The only Metal Gear games I haven't played are Snake's Revenge and Ghost Babel.

First of all it wasn't just the arm that allowed Liquid to transfer his mind and spirit into Ocelot. It was most likely due to Ocelot's heritage. The Sorrow, a spiritual medium, is Ocelot's father. Ocelot most likely inherited a very weak form of his father's powers and Liquid took advantage of it. Liquid's arm is not magic.

Second, there is no point in making a vegitative clone of Liquid Snake. And it takes many, many years to age a clone, unless you want it to die within days.

Third, transfering a mind into a new clone body would be not only stupid, but unoriginal. And it has never worked. Like Mr. Freeze in Batman Beyond. Or Lex Luthor.

Fourth, a pure Big Boss clone would be much more desireable, closer along the lines of Solidus, than a clone of Liquid. And look how well that turned out. The Patriots probally wouldn't even want to clone Big Boss any more on account that not only Big Boss, but all of his clones have rebelled against them.

[Hudson]

Naomi could do it?

[chi-boy]

The only Metal Gear games I haven't played are Snake's Revenge and Ghost Babel.

First of all it wasn't just the arm that allowed Liquid to transfer his mind and spirit into Ocelot. It was most likely due to Ocelot's heritage. The Sorrow, a spiritual medium, is Ocelot's father. Ocelot most likely inherited a very weak form of his father's powers and Liquid took advantage of it. Liquid's arm is not magic.

Second, there is no point in making a vegitative clone of Liquid Snake. And it takes many, many years to age a clone, unless you want it to die within days.

Third, transfering a mind into a new clone body would be not only stupid, but unoriginal. And it has never worked. Like Mr. Freeze in Batman Beyond. Or Lex Luthor.

Fourth, a pure Big Boss clone would be much more desireable, closer along the lines of Solidus, than a clone of Liquid. And look how well that turned out. The Patriots probally wouldn't even want to clone Big Boss any more on account that not only Big Boss, but all of his clones have rebelled against them.


I never said this was the work of the Patriots. It's what Liquid wants. It's something he arranged so he isn't just an arm on some old guy's body. And what is your second point based off of? Real world science? This is a videogame dude, with robots with organic legs. How long do you think it took them to grow those organic legs? There's no reason they couldn't have developed an accelerated aging process for cloning. It's been done before in other sci fi stories. It's never worked for BB, so that means it can't work for MGS? Saying that cloning isn't original is like saiying every sci fi movie with laser guns and spaceships copies from each other, or that every movie that features people fighting copied off real life history. Grow up. Damn, learn how to read. I never said a clone of Liquid would be desirable. I said Liquid cloned Big Boss so he could transfer his mind into a more perfect form of the source. And the whole Sorrow thing is stretching it. He probably wanted Ocelot's body so he could pull the strings from within the Patriots.

[hippie_hunter]

I never said this was the work of the Patriots. It's what Liquid wants. It's something he arranged so he isn't just an arm on some old guy's body. And what is your second point based off of? Real world science? This is a videogame dude, with robots with organic legs. How long do you think it took them to grow those organic legs? There's no reason they couldn't have developed an accelerated aging process for cloning. It's been done before in other sci fi stories. It's never worked for BB, so that means it can't work for MGS? Saying that cloning isn't original is like saiying every sci fi movie with laser guns and spaceships copies from each other, or that every movie that features people fighting copied off real life history. Grow up. Damn, learn how to read. I never said a clone of Liquid would be desirable. I said Liquid cloned Big Boss so he could transfer his mind into a more perfect form of the source. And the whole Sorrow thing is stretching it. He probably wanted Ocelot's body so he could pull the strings from within the Patriots.

But why would Liquid want to create a pure Big Boss clone? He has all the dominant genes.

[Hudson]

hmm so um does anyone have a screencap of Solid Snake blowing his brains out?

[chi-boy]

But why would Liquid want to create a pure Big Boss clone? He has all the dominant genes.

Him and Solid are equals, thus the twin snakes. Wasn't it Solidus that got the dominant genes? I'm still a little shakey on that.

Anyways, Liquid has no body at the moment. Why wouldn't he want to create another BB clone, this time one that he knows is perfect, and transfer himself to it? BTW, this is all pure speculation on my part. It doesn't make sense if that drawing was Liquid, since if he cloned BB again it wouldn't look that old and wouldn't have an eye patch. :)

[hippie_hunter]

Him and Solid are equals, thus the twin snakes. Wasn't it Solidus that got the dominant genes? I'm still a little shakey on that.

Liquid: dominant genes
Snake: recessive genes
Solidus: the best genes, regardless they were dominant or recessive, he's the closest one to being the pure Big Boss clone

Anyways, Liquid has no body at the moment. Why wouldn't he want to create another BB clone, this time one that he knows is perfect, and transfer himself to it? BTW, this is all pure speculation on my part. It doesn't make sense if that drawing was Liquid, since if he cloned BB again it wouldn't look that old and wouldn't have an eye patch. :)
But Liquid always wanted the body that had the dominant genes, he has that body. Even if he cloned a body, wouldn't he just clone his own?

[chi-boy]

In Metal Gear Solid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid) epilogue, this inferiority complex is revealed to be incorrect: Revolver Ocelot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolver_Ocelot) reveals that Liquid is, in fact,the superior one. Furthermore, in Metal Gear Solid naked, Kojima reveals that neither Snakes are superior nor inferior, as the technology to modify phenotypes did not exist during the 1970's.

[hippie_hunter]

In Metal Gear Solid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid) epilogue, this inferiority complex is revealed to be incorrect: Revolver Ocelot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolver_Ocelot) reveals that Liquid is, in fact,the superior one. Furthermore, in Metal Gear Solid naked, Kojima reveals that neither Snakes are superior nor inferior, as the technology to modify phenotypes did not exist during the 1970's.

Silly Liquid :o

[chi-boy]

Liquid: dominant genes
Snake: recessive genes
Solidus: the best genes, regardless they were dominant or recessive, he's the closest one to being the pure Big Boss clone


But Liquid always wanted the body that had the dominant genes, he has that body. Even if he cloned a body, wouldn't he just clone his own?

If Solidus had the best genes and is closest to BB, then Liquid would still be inferior. If he was to clone a new body, wouldn't it be best to go back to the source?

[hippie_hunter]

If Solidus had the best genes and is closest to BB, then Liquid would still be inferior. If he was to clone a new body, wouldn't it be best to go back to the source?

In that way, yes Liquid would have been inferior to Solidus, but that wasn't the body he wanted. He wanted to be the dominant one, which he is. Not the recessive one or the perfect balance. He hates Big Boss and he would never want to have a body which is exactly like Big Boss's.

However with that said, Liquid was never the person to pass a genetics class :o

[Hudson]

I wish, someone would've cloned Solid Snake.... and mixed it Meryl's genetics... boom new hero ;)
Red haired bad ass:D

[Boom]

I'm wondering. With Liquid inside of Ocelot, surely Liquid now knows about Big Boss' past, and the real reason why he created Outer Heaven.

I wonder if this discovery will have any affect.

[chi-boy]

I'm wondering. With Liquid inside of Ocelot, surely Liquid now knows about Big Boss' past, and the real reason why he created Outer Heaven.

I wonder if this discovery will have any affect.

To battle the Patriots? Is that really the real reason? I thought it was just so soldiers would always have a purpose, and in fact he really was evil.

[블라스]

Either you guys are WAY TOO MUCH into Metal Gear or I don't know anything about it.

I'm still awesome though.

[Liquid Snake]

Either you guys are WAY TOO MUCH into Metal Gear or I don't know anything about it.

I'm still awesome though.tyea the trailer isnt that good if you dont know the characters.

[블라스]

Yeah, I guess that must be it :(
I'm still digging Subsistence though, fracking awesome game.

[Liquid Snake]

Yeah, I guess that must be it :(
I'm still digging Subsistence though, fracking awesome game.youg ot it? yea it is, how far did you get in single player?

[블라스]

I'm actually disappointing Zenien about it, as I haven't been able to get past that red brick house after the first bridge.
But then again, I haven't played an other game but Guitar Hero and Tomb Raider Legends.
I'll play a bit later, but I do love the game.

[Liquid Snake]

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