Spider Sense Question.

[Odin's Lapdog]

After thinking about it, i've realised that unless i'm mistaken, Parker's spidey sense has never gone off while fully masked.

the emphasis of the 'Sense' going off is a zooming in on the eye (most likely the left eye) and the weird noise in the background.

Taking this into account and also remember both movies, Do you think it will actually go off during a battle scene or at least when fully masked where you can't see his eye?

if so, do you think it will be pictured in the same way?

or more than likely, do you think it's going to be left out of actual combat.

[The Kid]

It doesn't work when he has the mask on, I guess.

[Odin's Lapdog]

i guess that's a side effect of having organics...

:(:(

[The Kid]

Probably

[CrashNburn]

It doesn't work when he has the mask on, I guess.

I DONT THINK IT WORKS WITH THE MASK ON EITHER.

[Sean Adisano]

of course it works when the mask is on, the spider sense has nothing to do with his mask. i think they mainly only show the spider sense when his mask is off is because you get the full affect of it when it does a close up on his eyes. during battle (with mask on) its probably constantly going off, which is why he's dodging attacks and blocking blows. having the spider sense always being shown in the movie would really take away its great effect during really BIG spider sense parts.

[Odin's Lapdog]

it's definitely not on when he fights.

and i'm sure the mask comments were in jest.

[Sean Adisano]

^ whats not on during fights...his spider sense???

[Odin's Lapdog]

yep.

as in mid spar

[Mister Gone]

Blind_Fury? Is that you?

[Sean Adisano]

well its got to be going off on some level during battle. maybe not a drastic alert but a little ringing in his head to show him where the next hits are coming from.

in the SM1 movie book, it explained into depth on the spider sense. it said that his spider sense is constantly going off and that he can chose to ignore it.

in my opinion, of course his spider sense is going off during battle. they don't show because they feel its probably not needed while he's flipping around and throwing punches. just my guess as to why not, but i'm happy with the way they've been using the spider sense so far.

[Odin's Lapdog]

???

the sparring was well and truelly over before he took off his mask and thought the train was going to crash.






the only time it may have worked mid spar was right in his first fight with flash, when he does that double backflip when flash tries to attack him from behind?

am i right about that one?

infact, that was technically before the sparring started,

[Sean Adisano]

???

the sparring was well and truelly over before he took off his mask and thought the train was going to crash.






the only time it may have worked mid spar was right in his first fight with flash, when he does that double backflip when flash tries to attack him from behind?

am i right about that one?

infact, that was technically before the sparring started,

you had flash try to punch him from behind, and spider sense goes off, not sparring yet. then when facing flash and blocking a few punches, flash's friend comes from behind and try's to grab peter, and then spider sense goes off which we hear and peter does the double black flip, which in my opinion was already during a spar.

[Odin's Lapdog]

well its got to be going off on some level during battle. maybe not a drastic alert but a little ringing in his head to show him where the next hits are coming from.

in the SM1 movie book, it explained into depth on the spider sense. it said that his spider sense is constantly going off and that he can chose to ignore it.

in my opinion, of course his spider sense is going off during battle. they don't show because they feel its probably not needed while he's flipping around and throwing punches. just my guess as to why not, but i'm happy with the way they've been using the spider sense so far.
considering he's facing his victims for the majority of the time, i would like to hope his spider sense wouldn't need to be going off, since he'll be well aware of what danger is around him, i mean no one else needs it (superhero wise). I mean you don't have to be careful when standing by a cliff you are purposely standing at the edge of, it comes with the territory.

but that comes down to viewers choice.

For the unknowing movie audience, it's not so apparent.

even though, that's not really the point since there has yet to be a scene with his sense going off while his mask is one, which is at least would be what you would be expecting to happen if you knew you're powers were going to cut out mid swing, twice.

[Odin's Lapdog]

you had flash try to punch him from behind, and spider sense goes off, not sparring yet. then when facing flash and blocking a few punches, flash's friend comes from behind and try's to grab peter, and then spider sense goes off which we hear and peter does the double black flip, which in my opinion was already during a spar.
I mean sparring with the 'current danger'

when the new danger of flash's friend comes in, then it goes off again but it doesn't go off for flash or him for the rest of the bout.


but heck, i'll give it to ya

[Sean Adisano]

considering he's facing his victims for the majority of the time, i would like to hope his spider sense wouldn't need to be going off, since he'll be well aware of what danger is around him, i mean no one else needs it (superhero wise). I mean you don't have to be careful when standing by a cliff you are purposely standing at the edge of, it comes with the territory.

but that comes down to viewers choice.

For the unknowing movie audience, it's not so apparent.

even though, that's not really the point since there has yet to be a scene with his sense going off while his mask is one, which is at least would be what you would be expecting to happen if you knew you're powers were going to cut out mid swing, twice.

good point, but to argue that statement with the web failure scenes, he's web gave out on him, and so did other powers.

the first time his web failed, he fell and crashed hard. still had his strength. he jumped to the edge of the building, still had his jumping power. but why didn't he just crawl down the building instead of taking an elevator. we don't know for sure if his crawling ability maybe went too.

then the seound web failure, once again fell very far down and hit the walls and the dumpster hard. still had his strength. then crawled but then lost it, no crawling, then couldn't see.

so if he's losing certain powers at certain times during those two web failure scenes, could it be possible that at both times his spider sense maybe wasn't working too.

once again, i'm just grasping here, i'm not saying that thats what really happened, just saying...

[Sean Adisano]

I mean sparring with the 'current danger'

when the new danger of flash's friend comes in, then it goes off again but it doesn't go off for flash or him for the rest of the bout.


but heck, i'll give it to ya

true that it never went off for flash again, but like you just told me in another post, why would it need to go off if he's facing him and can see whats coming.

so both of us should get half and half for our comments :)

[Odin's Lapdog]

good point, but to argue that statement with the web failure scenes, he's web gave out on him, and so did other powers.

the first time his web failed, he fell and crashed hard. still had his strength. he jumped to the edge of the building, still had his jumping power. but why didn't he just crawl down the building instead of taking an elevator. we don't know for sure if his crawling ability maybe went too.

then the seound web failure, once again fell very far down and hit the walls and the dumpster hard. still had his strength. then crawled but then lost it, no crawling, then couldn't see.

so if he's losing certain powers at certain times during those two web failure scenes, could it be possible that at both times his spider sense maybe wasn't working too.

once again, i'm just grasping here, i'm not saying that thats what really happened, just saying...
Not all his powers gave out, don't forget a fall like that would do serious damage to an individual (three potentially fatal falls actually and one half super leap), so his higher endurance was still working. And his spider sense also worked when he needed it the most when int eh coffee shop with mj.


i wouldn't risk crawling in his condition, best to play it safe.



true his spider sense should also go but it should at least tell him before it goes so he doesn't end up hurting himself, like a quick 'OH ****' before it hits the fan, ya know.

it could go either way. His spider sense is pretty much always used to a writer's discretion anyway in the comics, i dont see why it would be different in the films, but at least in the films it does happen when his mask is on.

:o:o

[Odin's Lapdog]

true that it never went off for flash again, but like you just told me in another post, why would it need to go off if he's facing him and can see whats coming.

so both of us should get half and half for our comments :)
half and half it is then.


so it apparently warms him of harm to either himself or civilians that's fairly iniment.

but once addressed it no longer does so.

if he's aware of the harm before hand, it doesn't go off

and it doesn't go off when wearing his mask when perhaps in the middle of a spar where the threat has already been identified.

it's not sensitive to gas, nor does it warn spidey when he's going to actually harm himself.such as:

first swinging scene into board
swinging into building after rescuing mj
tripping on the street on raindrops scene
falling while web slinging twice
falling while attempting to jump across building



it's most active when danger is coming from behind, although i don't think it warmed him about the oncoming goblin bats in teh burning building that attacked him from behind.

it doesn't sense villains in their natural clothes or stop your friends from *****slapping you.


have i covered most of the points about it.

[AnimeJune]

I agree with those who say he faces most of his villains head-on, so the sense isn't sounding off. He's also more vulnerable (emotionally and psychologically) during those spidey-sense scenes when his mask is off - when he's being bullied, and when he's powerless and being hit on by MJ.

However, I do hope they put more emphasis on his Spidey sense in the next film - to contrast with the fact that Venom is able to bypass Spidey's sense.

[Odin's Lapdog]

but they have yet to address whether parker is conscience of this ability of his or not.

so how would he know whether it#s being activated or not

[AnimeJune]

but they have yet to address whether parker is conscience of this ability of his or not.

so how would he know whether it#s being activated or notI think he IS conscious - and they've shown him as conscious. His acknowledgement of his spidey sense is his reaction to it. When Flash tried to punch him, he wasn't all "what's that buzz?" - He dodged the punch. That had to have taught him something - he definitely figures it out in the parade scene in the first movie - when he gets the sense, and then Goblin shows up.

He learns its power in the first movie, and knows what it is in the second, I believe. That's why he grabs MJ and ducks when the car comes flying in the window (an excellent scene, might I add).

[Odin's Lapdog]

although one could say the initial dodges occur and he's taken into shock about it, and the rest of the time he's in awe about the speed at which he's moving in

there are plenty of things that you are doing now that you aren't aware of, as soon as you read this you are going to be aware that you are breathing and blinking and it will no longer be a subconscience action since you'll be consciencely thinking about doing them and will gain conscience control over those actions.


also reflex actions like a sneeze or a yawn, you have no control over what you're body does, it just happens, one can say that's how his sense acts sometimes, without conscience effort

[AnimeJune]

although one could say the initial dodges occur and he's taken into shock about it, and the rest of the time he's in awe about the speed at which he's moving in

there are plenty of things that you are doing now that you aren't aware of, as soon as you read this you are going to be aware that you are breathing and blinking and it will no longer be a subconscience action since you'll be consciencely thinking about doing them and will gain conscience control over those actions.


also reflex actions like a sneeze or a yawn, you have no control over what you're body does, it just happens, one can say that's how his sense acts sometimes, without conscience effortAn excellent point - but I still believe the parade scene showed him his power to predict at the last half-second. He wasn't required to have a reflexive saving action in that scene - he gets the buzzy Spidey sense feeling, and then Goblin shows up and confirms it. He wasn't required to jump out of the way or dodge a bullet in that scene - he was given the time (not a lot of it, but more than a half-second) to put two-and-two together.

[Odin's Lapdog]

hmmmm....

[black_dust]

Seems more dramatic seeing his eyes when it comes on :) With a mask it would`t have the same reaction

[CrypticOne]

In the first movie, when Peter catches MJ in the lunchroom, isn't that the Spider-Sense. He wasn't masked though.

[hk_spyke]

they don't show it all the time cause they don't need too. everyone knows he has it. it doesn't show it when he fights cause that ring would desract you from the action on screen. that's it.....just the way they decsided to do it in the movie

[Nebins]

Didn't we already have a thread on this and almost every agreed that it is shown well and can't be shown all the time because it would get too repetative?

[The Kid]

yeah, that thread blind fury made, but this is acknowledging that the spidey sense is there but not as blatant when he has the mask on, and that's true.

I'm still going with my theory that it's the mask blocking his spidey senses. ;)

[Nebins]

No I think it's just that everytime he has the mask on he is knowingly entering into a fight. When he has the mask off he isn't prepared for it and viola...spider-sense time.

[War Lord]

it's definitely not on when he fights.

and i'm sure the mask comments were in jest.

Of course it is, he wouldn't have the level of dexterity he does if he didn't receive advanced warning that something was coming. It's totally instinctual. It might be somewhat subdued when he's heavily engaged in something, but it certainly is still there and continually active.

[Sean Adisano]

Of course it is, he wouldn't have the level of dexterity he does if he didn't receive advanced warning that something was coming. It's totally instinctual. It might be somewhat subdued when he's heavily engaged in something, but it certainly is still there and continually active.

right on :up:

[Sean Adisano]

half and half it is then.


so it apparently warms him of harm to either himself or civilians that's fairly iniment.

but once addressed it no longer does so.

if he's aware of the harm before hand, it doesn't go off

and it doesn't go off when wearing his mask when perhaps in the middle of a spar where the threat has already been identified.

it's not sensitive to gas, nor does it warn spidey when he's going to actually harm himself.such as:

first swinging scene into board
swinging into building after rescuing mj
tripping on the street on raindrops scene
falling while web slinging twice
falling while attempting to jump across building



it's most active when danger is coming from behind, although i don't think it warmed him about the oncoming goblin bats in teh burning building that attacked him from behind.

it doesn't sense villains in their natural clothes or stop your friends from *****slapping you.


have i covered most of the points about it.

well then how did he know when to duck??? his spider sense had to go off, other wise he would had gotten cut up by them.

and remember after ducking down, i believe goblin kicked him in the face. so his spider sense warned him of one danger from behind, but once in motion of fleeing that danger, goblin in front of him sent another danger, but spidey couldn't avoid that kick.

your doing good with covering your points though :up: :)

[Mister Gone]

I miss Blind_Fury too you guys but come on, this is kind of beating a dead horse.

[Sean Adisano]

your right, i know i'm done.

[wolfsfang]

Does he have Spider-Sense in the movies? It seems to me that he gets hit quite a lot which is surprising considering that his Spidey sense and reflexes in the comics are supposed to enable him to dodge bullets (if there is enough distance and time of course) and in the movies he seems to have trouble dodging peoples fists, which lets face it, are not as fast as bullets.

[Cmill216]

I feel an, "Ah Jeez, Not this S*** Again" moment coming on.

[wolfsfang]

I feel an, "Ah Jeez, Not this S*** Again" moment coming on.

You always feel like that.

Perhaps you should have t-shirts printed :p

[Spider-Grrl1516]

Why couldn't this have ended with Blind_Fury? Well, I'll say this much about you, Odin's Lapdog. You certainly are'nt reacting like he did. Which is nice.

[Cmill216]

You always feel like that.


Actually, I don't always feel like that. But discussing the Spider-Sense and questioning its prescence in the films is like listening to a 50 Cent album: the same s*** over and over and over again.

[AnimeJune]

You always feel like that.

Perhaps you should have t-shirts printed :pI know I'd buy one.

[Odin's Lapdog]

Didn't we already have a thread on this and almost every agreed that it is shown well and can't be shown all the time because it would get too repetative?
the other thread was how it wasn't used or highlighted enough.

This one is purely based on the fact he doesn't seem to use it in battle, pre battle, post battle while he is masked.

[Odin's Lapdog]

No I think it's just that everytime he has the mask on he is knowingly entering into a fight. When he has the mask off he isn't prepared for it and viola...spider-sense time.
it's gone off while in costume before, i don't see the difference between being in nearly full costume and totally full costume. (talking about on the train)

[Odin's Lapdog]

I feel an, "Ah Jeez, Not this S*** Again" moment coming on.
chill, it's just an observation ;)


all that's being said is that it would be nice to have spidey's sense actually going off while in costume. Especially with the apparent venom entering.

I mean what is the big deal of spidey not being able to sense venom when he doesn't seem to sense anything with his mask on anyway.

[Odin's Lapdog]

In the first movie, when Peter catches MJ in the lunchroom, isn't that the Spider-Sense. He wasn't masked though.
yes and yes.

I think that's the first official time it goes off although most people remember the flash moment more.

note again his back was turned on the event when his sense went on. Add that to the 'most sensitive from danger from behind' column

[Odin's Lapdog]

Of course it is, he wouldn't have the level of dexterity he does if he didn't receive advanced warning that something was coming. It's totally instinctual. It might be somewhat subdued when he's heavily engaged in something, but it certainly is still there and continually active.IF say, you moved at the speeds that quicksilver and flash move out, one wouldn't need an extra sense in order to dodge harm since, first one would be mostly aware of these dangers from the other five senses and secondly one would be able to deal with them accordingly.

now granted spidey isn't as fast as the flash or quicksilver but given his reaction speed EVEN without his spider sense and own proportional speed, he might as well be to any given foe.

a punch from an average teenager with probably no fighting experience was dodged with enough ease for parker to actually realise what he was doing and amazing himself and that's pre any experience what so ever, no spider sense, just pure reaction.



saying this a normal human shouldn't be able to get near him and in the films luckily none ever does (which is one good thing about them), although then you can say that ock's reactions are at a human level but then you can say he's a strategist that takes this into account and plans ahead.

Saying this, film Spidey isn't immune to taking a beating.


Take the most heroic piece so far. It seems if parker is visually aware of the danger coming, if only for a nano second then his sense doesn't go off because his body knows he can deal with it (or at least assumes he can).

although it also seems that his spider-sense can't go off when he's exhausted or perhaps stuck in dialogue with others. Biggest example is while being Masked (uh oh), he gets taged from behind by ock while speaking to mj and gets heavily clubbed.

in short, personally I feel based on what is seen there's is more evidence to show it doesn't occur in a battle situation once the threat has been initially identified and visually contact confirmed, or at any time when his mask is on:(

but based from background knowledge from what we expect from the comic book media, then one can assume it's going off in battle, but based on purely film evidence and parker's actions in battle i don't think this is the case.

but i won't try and convince you, i'm just stating my case, you're free to have your opinions Jonty30, i won't nag

remind me, does it go off when spidey is flying towards aunt may and ock and aunt may rams her glasses into ock's face?

[Odin's Lapdog]

Does he have Spider-Sense in the movies? It seems to me that he gets hit quite a lot which is surprising considering that his Spidey sense and reflexes in the comics are supposed to enable him to dodge bullets (if there is enough distance and time of course) and in the movies he seems to have trouble dodging peoples fists, which lets face it, are not as fast as bullets.
the only fists parker has trouble dodging are super powered fist which move and react faster than normal ones, and also metal tendrils which are run by mechanics which react faster than muscles do.

even then he manages to parry both ock's and norman's attacks at one point or another, just no where near as consistently.