Could the Superman books survive without Lois Lane [Archive]

Zeu

05-09-2006, 10:58 AM

BlackOpsTengu

05-09-2006, 12:08 PM

The Superman series = RIP.

Superman is nothing without Lois.

drastic_quench

05-09-2006, 12:47 PM

Sure. He'd wear some derivative crap version of his costume for awhile. Go a little nuts in space. Brood. And then Alex Ross would paint a classic Superman cover heralding his return (they'd just have to pay him more than usual, since the whole Lois thing would piss him off).

Ultimate_Superman

05-09-2006, 02:39 PM

LOL at pay Alex Ross more reason because that is so true.

Varient

05-09-2006, 02:53 PM

In a bold move, the DC editors decide to ax Lois Lane and find a new superheroine love interest for Clark/Supes, breaking 70 years of tradition.

Do you think the Superman books could survive without Lois or has she become as much part of the mythos as the "S" symbol in his chest?
yes,... yes,... YES YES,.....

YES!!!!!!!

THANK YOU DC!!!!!!!:)

krisboyuk

05-09-2006, 03:25 PM

^^^^^ It's not happening. The guy's just asking could Supes go on without Lois.

Varient

05-09-2006, 03:37 PM

Sigh.

I'm thinking an Atlantean Whore would be better for Superman than Lois "I'm reckless because I know he'll save me" Lane.

ARRRGH!!

Lackey

05-09-2006, 03:53 PM

In a bold move, the DC editors decide to ax Lois Lane and find a new superheroine love interest for Clark/Supes, breaking 70 years of tradition.

Do you think the Superman books could survive without Lois or has she become as much part of the mythos as the "S" symbol in his chest?

It would never happen... WB (not DC) would never allow the character to be "tainted" like that. Same as Disney would never allow Mickey to be with someone other than Minnie.

Lackey

05-09-2006, 03:54 PM

Sigh.

I'm thinking an Atlantean Whore would be better for Superman than Lois "I'm reckless because I know he'll save me" Lane.

ARRRGH!!

sounds like you haven't read a Superman comic in over a decade

krisboyuk

05-09-2006, 06:50 PM

I don't what the problem with Lois is anyway. The thought of Superman being with someone else other than Lois chills me to the bone. I mean come on, it's Superman and Lois Lane. It's hammered into my conscious
that these two are meant for one another. Even if Superman wasn't with Lois, he would have to be with a human girl otherwise he's even more far-fetched. Lois keeps him human IMO.

storyteller

05-09-2006, 10:17 PM

Theres no point in splitting them up. I mean could the series survive. Well....

Sure they could survive but look at it this way.

X-men - jean grey = emma frost
Spiderman+reconned gwen stacey= sex with green goblin and 2 kids

Point is, stop messing with the love interests. Clark and lois is as natural as icecream and sprinkles.

Anubis

05-09-2006, 10:22 PM

Yeah, I'm gonna have to give you a big fat no on this one as well. I like Supes and Lois the way they are. But, be aware, that should they do this, Mark Miller might get his shot at doing Superman his way. And if you've seen some of the ideas he's had for Supes you'd beg them to spare Lois' life.

TheCorpulent1

05-09-2006, 10:46 PM

I like Clark and Lois together. In fact, the only place I don't like them together is in Smallville, and that's just because they drop these ridiculously ham-fisted foreshadows of their predestined future relationship in every goddamn scene.
It would never happen... WB (not DC) would never allow the character to be "tainted" like that. Same as Disney would never allow Mickey to be with someone other than Minnie.
Mickey should so kick Donald's ass and get some sweet, sweet Daisy lovin'.

newmexneon

05-10-2006, 08:53 AM

Superman couldn't survive without Lois. I mean, he turned down Wonder Woman a 1000 years after Lois had died because he could never love another woman.
They belong with eachother.

Varient

05-10-2006, 09:07 AM

Superman couldn't survive without Lois. I mean, he turned down Wonder Woman a 1000 years after Lois had died because he could never love another woman.
They belong with eachother.

Yeah,.. the complete STUPIDITY of that concept,... that a man could go celebate for over 1000 years - 700 of those years after he forgot lois lanes name AND turn down WonderWoman?

If ,..... IF your lifespan were extended by even two hundred years of good youthful health,.. it is improbable to believe that you'd pine away for someone dead for over a hundred of those years with prime womanhood right under your hands just waiting for you to help her get her blue star-spangled drawls off.

That was one story that made Superman seem like a chump, And Wonderwoman seem like a unassuming weak, wallflower of a woman.

Fantastic Fan22

05-10-2006, 09:14 AM

sethcohen

05-10-2006, 09:44 AM

just die for that... ugh

as it was pointed out in the IC thread with my E2 supes idea, hed have nothing left... its what keeps him going more then anything... people get shot every day but superman doesnt race around the world at top speed to try to save them... hed be cold and eventually end up just running **** with an iron fist till WW or Bats get sick of his **** and decide they cant get through to him and BOOM ollie shoots him with an exploding kryptonite boxing glove arrow courtesy of bruce wayne

Anubis

05-10-2006, 10:44 AM

.....been done.

TheCorpulent1

05-10-2006, 11:01 AM

I doubt Superman would get too cold if Lois died. He knows he's more a symbol to the world than a mere individual trying to do a job. I'm sure he'd sulk and get all grim for a while, but I think he'd be all right in the long run.

Darthphere

05-10-2006, 11:36 AM

Ok, whats up with all these goddamn fans who hate Peter Parker and MJ and Clark and Lois being married?

sethcohen

05-10-2006, 11:55 AM

Ok, whats up with all these goddamn fans who hate Peter Parker and MJ and Clark and Lois being married?

They are afraid of evolution... they can only be dating because thats how they remember them growing up... same losers that didnt like morrisons x-men... i still think his stuff is the most original and daring AND entertaining since claremonts heyday... but they were afraid of evolving the characters too much so now we have house of M... blah...

GoldenAgeHero

05-10-2006, 12:13 PM

They are afraid of evolution... they can only be dating because thats how they remember them growing up... same losers that didnt like morrisons x-men... i still think his stuff is the most original and daring AND entertaining since claremonts heyday... but they were afraid of evolving the characters too much so now we have house of M... blah...

morrisons was piss poor,i dont care which direction they wanted to go,it was just piss poor writing.

TheCorpulent1

05-10-2006, 12:19 PM

I thought most of Morrison's run was pretty good, myself. The last few arcs sucked, but stuff like "Riot at Xavier's" was great.
They are afraid of evolution... they can only be dating because thats how they remember them growing up... same losers that didnt like morrisons x-men... i still think his stuff is the most original and daring AND entertaining since claremonts heyday... but they were afraid of evolving the characters too much so now we have house of M... blah...
Actually, I think it's the opposite: they're afraid of stagnation. It's a lot easier to expose a character to different experiences and story possibilities when he's single and basically has a revolving door of romantic interests. Taking the main character and the same spouse and keeping them interesting is a lot harder.

Of course, on the other side of the fence (where I am, since I like Peter and Clark in their marriages), one could point out that a writer worth his salt would be able to make the marriage interesting or use it as a stable foundation to shift the focus so other interesting situations could be built.

sethcohen

05-10-2006, 12:21 PM

Of course, on the other side of the fence (where I am, since I like Peter and Clark in their marriages), one could point out that a writer worth his salt would be able to make the marriage interesting or use it as a stable foundation to shift the focus to other interesting situations could be built.

exactly!

Darthphere

05-10-2006, 12:24 PM

I thought most of Morrison's run was pretty good, myself. The last few arcs sucked, but stuff like "Riot at Xavier's" was great.

Actually, I think it's the opposite: they're afraid of stagnation. It's a lot easier to expose a character to different experiences and story possibilities when he's single and basically has a revolving door of romantic interests. Taking the main character and the same spouse and keeping them interesting is a lot harder.

Of course, on the other side of the fence (where I am, since I like Peter and Clark in their marriages), one could point out that a writer worth his salt would be able to make the marriage interesting or use it as a stable foundation to shift the focus so other interesting situations could be built.

I just dont see why the hate, its like it was a logical step forward in their lives. Unlike a BP and Storm wedding, which some people opposed to the Peter/MJ, Clark/Lois marriages actually endorse.

Varient

05-10-2006, 01:05 PM

exactly!
Is it okay to dislike the character?

I have no issue with ANY character getting married,

I just have serious issue with PEOPLE who act like Lois Lane has always been depicted.

She makes my teeth hurt.

Lana Lang would be a better choice,... Detective Montoya would be a better choice,... Heck ANY female with superpowers on a scale greater than Black Canary would be a better choice.

But he settles for a self-centered, overly aggressive, lacking in common sense, female who's supposed to be very smart,... yet she insists on putting herself in situations that require a Superman to save her.

AAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!

TheCorpulent1

05-10-2006, 01:22 PM

Superman hasn't had to save Lois in a while, though. And clearly she made it through the 52 year without Superman there to save her. And clearly Clark has a lot of those same qualities in himself, since he needed other superheroes to rescue him, what, three or four times in the few OYL issues we've had so far?

Varient

05-10-2006, 03:54 PM

sethcohen

05-10-2006, 04:02 PM

Is it okay to dislike the character?

I have no issue with ANY character getting married,

I just have serious issue with PEOPLE who act like Lois Lane has always been depicted.

She makes my teeth hurt.

Lana Lang would be a better choice,... Detective Montoya would be a better choice,... Heck ANY female with superpowers on a scale greater than Black Canary would be a better choice.

But he settles for a self-centered, overly aggressive, lacking in common sense, female who's supposed to be very smart,... yet she insists on putting herself in situations that require a Superman to save her.

AAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!

thats one way to look at it... but lois survived just fine BEFORE supes ever graced metropolis with his red cape and undies... so shes gotta be crafty... shes not self centered so much as shes used to having to fend for herself... she "insists" on putting her self in situations that sometimes require rescue because thats what shes always done... she didnt become a star reporter by playing it safe... shes always taken those chances... and now that supes is around she just gets a lil extra help... shed never ask for or expect it... she sees herself as his equal and fully capable of handling herself...

Varient

05-10-2006, 04:23 PM

thats one way to look at it... but lois survived just fine BEFORE supes ever graced metropolis with his red cape and undies... so shes gotta be crafty... shes not self centered so much as shes used to having to fend for herself... she "insists" on putting her self in situations that sometimes require rescue because thats what shes always done... she didnt become a star reporter by playing it safe... shes always taken those chances... and now that supes is around she just gets a lil extra help... shed never ask for or expect it... she sees herself as his equal and fully capable of handling herself...
his first appearance DID save her life,...

I like independence but c'mon,... she goes bone-head in some of her investigative reporting. her jelousy and over protectivness of her relationship has become comic relief in regards to "Wonder Woman"

Her reaction to "Cirel" - classic.

The "equality thing" is not my issue. It's the thought that she will insist on being in danger "FOR A STORY" is what bugs me.

Consider:

The women I named in my last,.. with exception of Lana Lang,.. all have better reasons to be in Danger,.. and in all cases save Lana,.. they are trained to protect themselves.

sethcohen

05-10-2006, 04:24 PM

shes an army brat... how could she not defend herself?

Varient

05-10-2006, 05:17 PM

shes an army brat... how could she not defend herself?
...........................

compared to the others,... unless they retcon a martial arts class or two in the current post crisis Lois she can't compare to everyone else I mentioned.

I just have a mild issue with her.

I try to imagine a world with a Superman.

I find it hard to believe that the competition to be with Superman wouldn't be fierce among women with super strength.

I find it hard to believe that even with true love, he would risk a moment of true passion and gut a normal woman like a fish.

And if he would risk it,... wouldn't it be with a woman who he grew up with?

I look,... Batman has Catwoman,... Hawkman Had Hawkgirl, I admit I don't understand why jesse quick and Wally West didn't get to gether,... green lantern had Star Sapphire,.... Above a certain level Supers only get with Supers for their own protection,.... except the guy at the top of the food chain!

Harlekin

05-10-2006, 06:56 PM

I look,... Batman has Catwoman,... Hawkman Had Hawkgirl, I admit I don't understand why jesse quick and Wally West didn't get to gether,... green lantern had Star Sapphire,.... Above a certain level Supers only get with Supers for their own protection,.... except the guy at the top of the food chain!
Alan Scott didn't.
Jay Garrick didn't.
Kent Nelson didn't (originally).
Wonder Woman didn't (Pre-Crisis).

I could probably list more.

Varient

05-10-2006, 07:36 PM

(Frown)
naming pre ww2 hero's when there was a low population of heroes,... fine.
Alan Scott didn't.
And Jade's mom was????
(A SUPER VILLIANESS)
Jay Garrick didn't.
He was engaged to be married when he got his powers
Kent Nelson didn't (originally).
Dr. Fate? Dude was taught magic and at one point absorbed his woman - so she gained his power by becoming one with him.
Wonder Woman didn't (Pre-Crisis).
A woman from what society with male population ZERO?

I could probably list more.[/QUOTE]
Don't.

Harlekin

05-11-2006, 04:04 AM

And Jade's mom was????
(A SUPER VILLIANESS)
Alan Scott's second wife was a normal human.

He was engaged to be married when he got his powers
So? The Spectre left his wife when he got his powers. Nonetheless, that brings up Barry and Iris Allen too. Wally West and Linda Park.

Dr. Fate? Dude was taught magic and at one point absorbed his woman - so she gained his power by becoming one with him.
Yes, Dr. Fate. The Dr. Fate that operated for 60 years while his wife was completely powerless. She held the power for like 2 years in the 90's.

A woman from what society with male population ZERO?
Eh, point? She married a normal guy.

Don't.
I will, anyway.
Barry Allen - Iris West
Wally West - Linda Park
Starfire - Nightwing
Just to name a few.

WOLVERINE25TH

05-11-2006, 08:46 AM

Nah, it's too late now. Maybe 20 years ago.

The Caped Knight

05-11-2006, 08:49 AM

The Superman series = RIP.

Superman is nothing without Lois.

I agree 100%

When we were married, everyone asked me the same question. "You're Superman. Why Lois Lane?" I knew she was the girl for me the moment I met her. Lois was brutally honest, curious as a cat, and you'd never get the last word in. She was the most human woman I'd ever met. But on the inside she was more super than I could ever be. :supes: - Infinite Crisis #5