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[Specter313]

Preview pages for Issue #196 from Comics Continuum!

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At first look Ramos' art got better...

Adding:

X-Men #196 will arrive in stores on Feb. 28 from Marvel Comics. The issue is written by Mike Carey, with art and cover by Humberto Ramos.

Here's how Marvel describes the issue:

"'Primary Infection,' part 3 of 3. The X-Men confront Pandemic and the Plague Dogs, but too late to stop Rogue from being infected with strain 88. How desperate do you have to be when Sabretooth is your ace in the hole? And will the cure turn out to be worse than the disease?"

X-Men #196 will be 32 pages and will cost $2.99.

[04nbod]

ramos' rogue stuff is done well there but the rest is bad. the writing however is awesome-'i'm gonna make you wish your momma and pappa didn't even like each other' i love it

[Brainiac 8]

It's not bad, but I look forward to having Bachalo back. :O

I am liking this Pan villain, he seems like a more powerful Mimic...and that isn't really a bad thing. Now only if we could have a new villain that sticks for a while instead of being thrown out and ignored by another writer.

[Colossal Spoons]

So, how about that next arc...:o

[ProfeZZor X]

Here's a full SPOILERICIOUS review, courtesy of the spendiferous, and magnificent UncannyAsianGirl... Enjoy:

First we see Rogue all strung up and nearly naked (all she's got on in a skimpy red bra and some shreds of her uniform covering her nether regions, and her cloak) in some kind of restraining rig (it looks sorta like what SHIELD put Northstar in to de-brainwash him) and of course Rogue, being Rogue is shouting out threats that she'll make that lady scientist's mother and father not like each other, or something like that. Pan's assistant isn't very threatened, she wonders what Pandemic wants with Rogue when he's already able to copy powers like her, and tells Rogue that she is no threat since her energies are also being drained out of her. She then goes on to insult her, (ya know, the typical backwoods inbred hick comments ) when Pandemic himself comes in. He tells his assistant to supervise the dissection on the other X-men, and tells her to leave him and Rogue alone. Of course, Mystique is watching from the shadows, she's clinging to some pipes in a shaded part of the ceiling. (How she got there after the teleporting mishap in the last issue, I have no idea, it's neither shown nor mentioned.)

So, now we find out what Pandemic wants with Rogue. He tells her that she is the inspiration behind what he's doing, and from the moment he first met her, he wanted to be able to do what she could do. It turns out that the super powers were a side effect of what he was trying to do, and that he didn't go far enough. He tells Rogue to make her peace.

Sabretooth has landed, and there's a decent-sized crater that marks his point of impact. It also looks like that he also crashed through the roof of a building. People gather around to look at it, and think that no one could have survived such an impact, but Sabretooth leaps out, as wily as ever, and asks where he is and what's going on.

Cut to Cannonball and Cable who are still stuck aboard the Conquistador, which is still hurtling through the atmosphere. If they don't do something soon, they're going to run out of oxygen. Cable says that he doesn't think that Pandemic can keep the ship going like that and still maintain the teleportation shield at the same time, so he tells Sam that he's going to try bodysliding in. Cable then ports out. Sam is then left alone in the ship, and later makes his way out in the usual Cannonball fashion.

Back with Sabey, and the scientists. They tell him he's in Calcutta and that they're scientists/geneticists. and the Plague Dogs come in. They introduce themselves, tell him what they are/can do, (something about being a river of flesh?) and say that they can't be defeated, or something to that effect. Anyway, Sabey isn't impressed, and says something to the effect of, "let's see about that." (Bah you guys get the gist of this whole little scene, right?)

Cut to a lab, Lady Mastermind is spread out on a table, and some scientists are about to make incisions in her (I think without removing her outfit first, I guess that's just how revealing it is. ), when Pandemic's charming little assistant comes in. She says that she'll do the procedure, and one of the grunts hands her a scalpel. She asks if it's been sterilized, and he tells her yes, at a temperature of 200 degrees, and then... she sticks the scalpel in his neck and tells him good, because that way he wouldn't get metal poisoning. It turns out to be Mystique, who goes slasher on all the scientists, killing them. She wakes up Lady Mastermind, and tells her as disgusting/distasteful (some word indicating that she finds it loathesome) as it may seem, the X-men need their help. (Which indicates to me that she doesn't consider herself as an X-man).

Back outside the lab, Cable has met up with Sabretooth and is tussling with some of the guards when Cannonball comes rocketing in. Cable says something about it being nice that Sam made it out alive, then someone comments that Creed isn't looking so well. Victor answers that he's just been shot out of a torpedo tube, and that his stomach is full. (In case you don't get it, I think it means he ATE the Plague Dogs ) Cable tells one of the scientists who are fighting back that they are being slaughtered, and asks why they keep fighting. The scientist/guard says because they've been promised immortality.

Now, back to Rogue and Pandemic. What he really wanted was immortality, or something like it, to be achieved through being able to experience the lives of others, in a way, to live out and experience many lifetimes, something Rogue does when she absorbs someone else's powers. He's been injecting himself, infecting himself with the strains, all 87 of them, over a period of 7 years (which makes Rogue about 24 now) in hopes of achieving his goal, to no avail. All he got were the powers.

Now I don't remember the exact wording, so I may have misinterpreted something, but I'm going to try to explain anyway. So here goes...

He then goes on to say that strain-88 will theoretically allow him to achieve what he was after, to take in the entirety of a person's existence, their life experiences, what-have-you through a touch. Now this is just deduction from a comment he made, but I get the impression that the original person will be robbed of all of that, he/she will have their sense of being wiped from them; that the victim will be rendered into a tabula rasa. But he doesn't know if it's safe, and wanted a guinea pig to test it out on, and who better to test it out on than the original? He tells her that there will be no cavlary coming in to save her, and he moves some sort of machine with a lot of scary looking needles on it towards her. All we see of the process is a single panel of a tube of some liquid being drained...

A guard comes in, but Pan knows can tell that they are not what they appear to be, since he can sense their heroic intentions. Regan drops the cloak, he comments that he's surprised that Karima was able to repair herself so quickly. Karima attacks him and they have an arguement of sorts over lost humanity. For Pandemic it was a weakness, but for Karima it's an aspiration. He tells her that she should embrace her uniqueness, when Cannonball blasts in, asking if he's trying to be a life counsellor (yes, that's how it was spelled). Pandemic then touches him, and tells him that his power is crude/simplistic, but that it has its uses, and turns it back on Sam. Cable goes to release Rogue from the rig, but she tells him not to touch her, and tells him that Pandemic has her powers. Pandemic once again goes about tossing the other X-men around, and tells them that with 300 powers it's useless. Cable confronts him with a gun and his forcefield, and Pandemic asks what he's going to do with it, when he's copied at least 7 (or 17) different types of invulnerability. Then Cable says, "Creed, you're up". (How do they beat him? all I have to say is, I knew it! It was the first theory I came up with, I but never bothered to write it down. ) Well, anyway... Pandemic grabs Creed around the throat, but then is shocked because Sabey actually managed to cut him. Victor then goes on to say that Cable had him all figured out. While Pandemic copied his agility, animal senses, etc, he also copied his healing factor, which would eradicate the viruses in his system, the very mechanism granting him his powers. So he's reduced to an average (if not somewhat attractive looking ) Joe, with a clean bill of health, at least for the next three minutes. So yea, Creed's about ready to rip him to shreds.

So now Pan is rendered harmless, but Rogue comes in, saying that she's the one who should have vengeance. She's still mostly naked, but manages to look quite menacing because she's put on her cloak, and has the hood up. (She acts so Grim Reaper-ish, it's freaky) Sabretooth says that it should be good for a laugh, while Dr. Palence is horrified, and she tells him he's done something to her, changed her, and now asks if he wants to see if what he did to her worked, sugah. She's about to grab his face when Cable pulls her away, and says that he's harmless now, it's not up to them to play judge and jury, Rogue's about to add, how about executioner, when she collapses to the floor. Well, actually on/near Lady M, who just has to add in a snarky comment. She asks why everything has to be up to her now. Lady M then gets up and goes over to Pan with a gun, but instead of shooting him, she casts an illusion which has him in a white suit running in a seemingly endless maze (like a lab rat). Someone (I think Cable) asks if it's permanent, and Lady M says that unfortunately, it isn't, but it my result in some psychosis. Creed, who's close to Lady M's head, tells her that something in her doesn't smell right, and that it smells dead. (I think) She brushes him off as if he doesn't know what he's talking about. Mystique who is kneeling next to Rogue places a gloved hand on Rogue, saying that her temperature is sky rocketing. Also, it seems that there are blisters starting to form on her body, but nothing too disfiguring. Someone asks if they should take her back to Hank at the Institute, but Cable says he's calling down the Conquistador, there's no time, because Rogue's immune system is failing, and they're losing her. And then the issue ends. But we know that Rogue'll be somewhat okay later, since she's going to have a really, really hard year ahead of her.

[04nbod]

great preview- looking forward to it

[ProfeZZor X]

^ Yeah, such a simplistic way to defeat a foe should be illegal.

However, MC does seem to keep the classic tone for cliffhangers in each of his books. And each with seemingly unbeatable villains. I wonder what his take will be with the Marauders and Sinister, and how the X-Men defeat them.

[Rogue's Hand]

Is it me or does anyone else notice something in the summary?


Rogue said what Pan did to her changed her
Do you think this "strain" he injected in Rogue
might later have an effect on Rogue to where
she can recall any previous absorbed powers?

[04nbod]

^here's hoping

[emmymae]

I wonder what terrible things are in store for Rogue and what is the full nature of this virus she's been infected with? And what exactly will Death Gambit be doing and how soon will he be normal again? It's quite convenient that they defeat Pandemic because of his own oversight. Those Plague Dogs look like something out of Resident Evil.:O

[@JeanGrey]

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/003582827.cfm

Some interesting information on various X-books. And especially Carey's X-Men.

[cerealkiller182]

Although the art is ok, i dont think it works with the tone of the book. This is kinda like the Black Ops X-Men where the art lends itself to a funner more upbeat book (I would say New X-Men but it has been anything but upbeat lately)

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

what art?

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Forget it, that was a dumb question.

[Mike059jig]

Well anyone got a summary to give?

[spark627]

this was a good issue... but what exactly is strain 88, that wasnt clear to me? what does it do?

[Rogue's Hand]

this was a good issue... but what exactly is strain 88, that wasnt clear to me? what does it do?
That's what I wanna know :huh:

[ProfeZZor X]

Well anyone got a summary to give?

Have you taken a look at post #2255?

[Havok83]

I loved how Pan was taken out. Pretty creative.

Where was Bobby though?

[Generation Lee]

My 2 problems with this issue the busy art. I couldn't make out what was happening half the time and secondly no Iceman!!!!!!


Anyway good over all and I'm going to miss the team when they split but change is nice cause then characters get stale. Cough Claremont and Psylocke cough. In regards to Rogue you all seen the freaky cover. I guessing that's what is going to happen though covers and the stories within do tend to be unrelated.

Oh in regards to another effect it may have on Rogue I'm going for She'll finally be able to touch or just absorb one power permantly.

[squeekness]

I just hope Saby stays. I rather liked him in this issue. He's such a badass. :p

[Rogue's Hand]

My 2 problems with this issue the busy art. I couldn't make out what was happening half the time and secondly no Iceman!!!!!!


Anyway good over all and I'm going to miss the team when they split but change is nice cause then characters get stale. Cough Claremont and Psylocke cough. In regards to Rogue you all seen the freaky cover. I guessing that's what is going to happen though covers and the stories within do tend to be unrelated.

Oh in regards to another effect it may have on Rogue I'm going for She'll finally be able to touch or just absorb one power permantly.
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just read it and I'm on my knees praying that's what's gonna happen!!!!:wow:

[Rogue's Hand]

She's BACK!!! I'm in LOVE AGAIN!!!!
Something good is about to happen w/ Rogue and that 88 strain virus :hyper:
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/1397/rogue196hotsm3.jpg

[OutcryX]

looks like she will absorb Pan(who has absorbed everyone else)

[Snikt 6]

Is it me or does anyone else notice something in the summary?


Rogue said what Pan did to her changed her
Do you think this "strain" he injected in Rogue
might later have an effect on Rogue to where
she can recall any previous absorbed powers?


I really think you are right. It all sets up perfectly for this to happen. Cross your fingers!

[Snikt 6]

It's not bad, but I look forward to having Bachalo back. :O

I am liking this Pan villain, he seems like a more powerful Mimic...and that isn't really a bad thing. Now only if we could have a new villain that sticks for a while instead of being thrown out and ignored by another writer.

Oh yeah! Can't wait for Bachalo!!!!

[Rogue's Hand]

I really think you are right. It all sets up perfectly for this to happen. Cross your fingers!
Oh trust me they have been crossed :woot:

[Snikt 6]

I just HOPE she keeps all the powers that either Pan had or the ones she gains from now on. The visuals could just be amazing......

[Rogue's Hand]

I just HOPE she keeps all the powers that either Pan had or the ones she gains from now on. The visuals could just be amazing......
Could you imagine? OMG!
She'd be stronger then when she had Ms. Marvel's strength:woot:

[04nbod]

I just HOPE she keeps all the powers that either Pan had or the ones she gains from now on. The visuals could just be amazing......

what happened with pan and jean again, could he absorb her powers or not i can't remember?

[emmymae]

This just keeps getting more interesting. I can't wait to see how Carey incorporates Gambit into what has happened so far in the book. Rogue absorbing all the powers Pan had would be cool, and for her to finally be able to control her powers and have her pick of what secondary powers she chooses would be the best thing ever. I wonder about issue #199. Will Rogue look like that or not?

[Havok83]

I just HOPE she keeps all the powers that either Pan had or the ones she gains from now on. The visuals could just be amazing......
I think thats a horrible idea. We already saw a Rogue with all the powers she had absorbed over the years in X-treme X-men and it was boring. Giivng her all of Pan's powers makes her too powerful.

[spark627]

i dont want rogue to have total recall with her powers. i want something different, i really want her to be able to control the absorbing, maybe not turning it on and off but controlling what she absorbs. I also want her somehow to get rid of sunfires powers and get something else... she needs to fly, but not with flames shooting out her bum lol

[Generation Lee]

I want her to have a kind of transfere ability. Kinda like if someon needs healed she can barrow engery of say Wolverine and transfere it to those who need it. I always saw this as the development of her powers.

[chris moore]

Where was Iceman this ish?

[cerealkiller182]

^^Probably stuck in that red frozen phase he was put into at the end of the ish before this one.

[Rogue's Hand]

I think thats a horrible idea. We already saw a Rogue with all the powers she had absorbed over the years in X-treme X-men and it was boring. Giivng her all of Pan's powers makes her too powerful.
That was with a different writer and a totally different situation.
If I remember correctly Rogue didn't have full control over the
powers she recalled.

And not to sound rude or sarcastic but why is it okay for
Storm, Iceman, Jean and co. to be extremely powerful,
but not for Rogue :huh: Just wondering why you said that she'd be
too powerful. I think it's time for her to be "too powerful".

She's my fav and I've been waiting for this moment for a long time.
If she's getting too powerful then maybe the other mutants
need to get their stuff together. It's Rogue's year. Hate or Love it :woot:

P.S. I hope she does become more powerful so people can hate on
her more then they already do. Maybe she can a kill a mutant or two
during the process, LMAO

This woman is severely underestimated.

[emmymae]

I wouldn't want Rogue to kill anyone. I read about when she killed the Goth with Gambit's powers, and she felt horribly guilty. She certainly has been underestimated and she deserves to be powerful, in control, and fully confident. She deserves the best. Gambit has been underestimated as well and taken out of the series for several issues more than once. They were at one time both out of the X-books for 10 issues. I hope for good things for them both.

Yeah, where is Iceman? They have got to stop putting him out of commission. It practically happens every issue these days.

[@JeanGrey]

From www.mikecarey.net (M.Carey's words):

The next few arcs… well, as you know, Condition Critical leaves some ongoing problems behind it, not least for Rogue and Cable. In the #200-#203 arc, we see the team trying to deal with those situations - and going back to a setting we haven’t seen for a long time. A setting which has particular significance for Rogue. That’s when the fewmets really hit the windmill: starting in #200, things go from bad to unimaginably bad, and the X-Men are left trying to figure out why they’ve been hit and how they can respond before things escalate out of control. I say the X-Men… but it won’t be all of the X-Men. It will be a kind of ragged rump of a team, running with the ball because nobody else can.
Then we’re into the crossover, and the transition into that is going to be a big - a very big - cliff-hanger not just for the Adjectiveless team but for everyone. And after that, in #208, we’ll be introducing our new team, with (hopefully) some big surprises.

[Havok83]

That was with a different writer and a totally different situation.
If I remember correctly Rogue didn't have full control over the
powers she recalled.

And not to sound rude or sarcastic but why is it okay for
Storm, Iceman, Jean and co. to be extremely powerful,
but not for Rogue :huh: Just wondering why you said that she'd be
too powerful. I think it's time for her to be "too powerful".

She's my fav and I've been waiting for this moment for a long time.
If she's getting too powerful then maybe the other mutants
need to get their stuff together. It's Rogue's year. Hate or Love it :woot:

P.S. I hope she does become more powerful so people can hate on
her more then they already do. Maybe she can a kill a mutant or two
during the process, LMAO

This woman is severely underestimated.
having total recall of every single power she's absorbed is way too powerful IMO. At least in X-treme there was a limit and that it mostly came at random but I thought that was bad enough as it was. I like Rogue where she is at right now and giving her so many powers makes things way too convenient and predictable. I think characters are much more interesting when they arent uber powerful. Jean is my favorite character but I hate that they went and reverted back to putting her as Phoenix. I think that made her too powerful and I much preferred her power levels from the 90s

[chris moore]

I know Regan and Mystique dont care about much. But leaving Iceman in that kinda state is just pure evil. I hope he isnt one of the ones dropped from the team in the next couple months.

[ProfeZZor X]

From www.mikecarey.net (http://www.mikecarey.net) (M.Carey's words):

The next few arcs… well, as you know, Condition Critical leaves some ongoing problems behind it, not least for Rogue and Cable. In the #200-#203 arc, we see the team trying to deal with those situations - and going back to a setting we haven’t seen for a long time. A setting which has particular significance for Rogue. That’s when the fewmets really hit the windmill: starting in #200, things go from bad to unimaginably bad, and the X-Men are left trying to figure out why they’ve been hit and how they can respond before things escalate out of control. I say the X-Men… but it won’t be all of the X-Men. It will be a kind of ragged rump of a team, running with the ball because nobody else can.
Then we’re into the crossover, and the transition into that is going to be a big - a very big - cliff-hanger not just for the Adjectiveless team but for everyone. And after that, in #208, we’ll be introducing our new team, with (hopefully) some big surprises.

That all sounds good. I just hope Carey continues to keep Iceman on his team. I still feel as though he hasn't really developed him as much as he's doing with Rogue. And not that I want him to be in the spotlight for a long period of time, I'd like for him to be remembered by non fans for something more significant than Emma posessing his body. The blowing up and reforming thing is cool, but it gets old after the 3rd time. Because there are far more aspects to his powers and personality.

I know someone from Marvel had been quoted saying: Iceman and Sam will be shining in #200 through #203, and that people will see them in a different light.... I'll keep my fingers crossed.

[Colossal Spoons]

So, the crossover happens around issue #203 for Adjectiveless?

[Snikt 6]

That was with a different writer and a totally different situation.
If I remember correctly Rogue didn't have full control over the
powers she recalled.

And not to sound rude or sarcastic but why is it okay for
Storm, Iceman, Jean and co. to be extremely powerful,
but not for Rogue :huh: Just wondering why you said that she'd be
too powerful. I think it's time for her to be "too powerful".

She's my fav and I've been waiting for this moment for a long time.
If she's getting too powerful then maybe the other mutants
need to get their stuff together. It's Rogue's year. Hate or Love it :woot:

P.S. I hope she does become more powerful so people can hate on
her more then they already do. Maybe she can a kill a mutant or two
during the process, LMAO

This woman is severely underestimated.

Totally agree, I don't think it would be "unintersting" or "boring"....I would love to see what Carey would do with a powerful Rogue.....maybe he could give her a weakness to compensate for all that power.

[Colossal Spoons]

^Yeah, like she only has 5 more months to live :o

[Snikt 6]

^Ouch, pretty harsh. Be a good story though....I seriously doubt she would be mixing it up with the bad guys if that were the case. Of course six months in Marvel is like, what, 4 years?

[Random]

cover for #200
http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/003777853.cfm

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a273/spyderx11/X-Men200color-2.jpg

[ProfeZZor X]

Here's a larger version:

http://wizarduniverse.com/_images_/003777/X-Men200color.jpg

[Snikt 6]

^Yeah.....WOW. Amazing cover! I wonder though.......I see some dead characters in there, I was hoping to figure out which of the Astonishing crew were missing.....but they are all there. Great post though, thanks.

[@JeanGrey]

^Yeah.....WOW. Amazing cover! I wonder though.......I see some dead characters in there,
Jean::coughs::Banshee::coughs::

At first look I wonder WHY Gambit and Sunfire are drawn in their regural forms. Then i remember that Carey has declared he likes continuity. So despite the great cover (although i don't much like legs of the women...they are too muscular, especially Jean's), the tradition keeps on for X-Men... Covers-arc= totally unrelated

Also noticed that Rogue is NOT flying, Gambit's suit is not obvious (we only see the trenchcoat) and evil glare Emma throws at Jean...priceless:woot::woot::woot:

[ProfeZZor X]

I really don't give a rat's ass what continuity it is. Dead, alive, in limbo, in space, another universe, or whatever....So long as each X-Man is portrayed in all their glory as a collective.

[Havok83]

BEST X-men cover ever

[@JeanGrey]

Yeah, it sums up everyone that has appeared in X-Men series. Past, present,... future?:whatever:

[emmymae]

What a gorgeous cover! It makes my heart sing seeing everyone, dead, alive, gone, or terribly transformed, present and looking pretty. My favorite people are all in one group: Gambit and Rogue my number ones, and Psylocke. I like seeing Jean with her man and not Emma Frost.:yay: :heart:

[spark627]

WOW awesome cover

[04nbod]

i'm not welling up!:(:heart:
i've been an x men since i was a kid and that represented everything i love about it. i love the reference to X men number 1 with magneto. Jean and scott together Rogue front and centre.The only problem i have is wolverine being on top of the logo. It should be cyclops there will wolverine a little to the left otherwise stunning- new wallpaper here you come

will it be a fold out cover then?

[spark627]

after second viewing... wtf is up with rogues body? why are her legs so ginormous?

[04nbod]

all the womens are spark- notice jean/phoenix as well

[Colossal Spoons]

Damn, that cover is awesome!

[Havok83]

hmmm I wonder will that be one long wrap around cover or will it be 4 seperate covers that combine to make one

[Snikt 6]

^I hope its just one cover. Of course if it makes them more money.....

[OutcryX]

Here's a larger version:

http://wizarduniverse.com/_images_/003777/X-Men200color.jpg

Can we get a character breakdown? I am not sure as to some of these people are

Going from left to right I see:

on the Far Left
Husk
(some blonde chick??)
Mystique
Sabretooth
Shadowcat and Lockheed
Polaris
(some chick wit black hair???)

Left side on the ground
Kwannon/Revanche
Thunderbird
Joseph
Stacy X
(some guy in a funny hat???...Changeling?)

Left side in the air
Angel
(random flying chick???)
Cannonball
Banshee

the middle in the air
Iceman
Storm
Sunfire

in middle on ground
Chamber
Bishop
Rogue
Gambit
Cable
Beast
Rachel Summers/Grey/Marvel Girl/Phoenix III
Juggernaut
Psylocke
Cable
Wolverine
Cyclops
Jean Grey/Phoenix
Havok

Right Side in the air
Slipstream
Lifeguard
Northstar

Right Side on the ground
Forge
Mimic
Sage(??)
Jubilee
Darwin
Petra
Sway(??)
Vulcan
Marrow
Maggot
Cecelia Reyes

on the Far Right
Longshot
Dazzler
Colossus
Professor X
Magneto
Nightcrawler
Emma Frost
Xorn


Could somebody help me out with the people I dont know please...also..where are Thunderbird III, Warpath, Red Lotus, Lady Mastermind, Pulse and Karima Shapandar?

[OutcryX]

double post sorry

[OutcryX]

sorry..triple post

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

That is one big ass cover. Where is it from? and I find it Mehtastic, BTW.

[squeekness]

Le sigh...

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/squeekness/X-Men200gambit.jpg

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

lol

[Havok83]

Can we get a character breakdown? I am not sure as to some of these people are

Going from left to right I see:

on the Far Left
Husk
(some blonde chick??) Mastermind
Mystique
Sabretooth
Shadowcat and Lockheed
Polaris
(some chick wit black hair???)Danielle Moonstar

Left side on the ground
Kwannon/Revanche
Thunderbird
Joseph
Stacy X
(some guy in a funny hat???...Changeling?)Yes thats him

Left side in the air
Angel
(random flying chick???)Karima

Right Side on the ground
Forge
Mimic
Sage(??)
Jubilee
Darwin
Petra
Sway(??)
Vulcan
Marrow
Maggot
Cecelia ReyesCorrect on both counts



Could somebody help me out with the people I dont know please...also..where are Thunderbird III, Warpath, Red Lotus, Lady Mastermind, Pulse and Karima Shapandar?Pulse, and Red Lotus were never X-men. Karima and Mastermind are there. Warpath isnt and good call on Thunderbird III bc I forgot about him and it looks like Finch did too

[emmymae]

Le sigh...

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/squeekness/X-Men200gambit.jpg

Yeah, I'm glad to see Gambit as his normal self in this picture and he's in the same clump with Rogue, and Psylocke. This proves our two lovers will once again be together. Could they all be ending up on the same team again? They used to be.

I don't find the cover boring at all. I would have preferred Larrocca to draw it or Andy Kubert, but oh well. With Larrocca, it would have been absolutely gorgeous. I'll have to buy the issue now. It had better be a pull-out.

[Mistopurr83]

That is probably the best x-men cover I've seen this decade. Every character and the background is drawn nicely.

[Havok83]

why is Dazzler in her 70s disco costume? She never wore that as an X-man

[javon]

Wait, Storms in X-men #200?

[Specter313]

Pulse, and Red Lotus were never X-men. Karima and Mastermind are there. Warpath isnt and good call on Thunderbird III bc I forgot about him and it looks like Finch did too

Uh, yeah, Warpath is an X-Man, hence why he's on the current Uncanny X-Men team.

[Specter313]

Yeah, I'm glad to see Gambit as his normal self in this picture and he's in the same clump with Rogue, and Psylocke. This proves our two lovers will once again be together. Could they all be ending up on the same team again? They used to be.

I don't find the cover boring at all. I would have preferred Larrocca to draw it or Andy Kubert, but oh well. With Larrocca, it would have been absolutely gorgeous. I'll have to buy the issue now. It had better be a pull-out.

The cover proves nothing. All it does is show everyone, or just about, who has been an X-Man.

[squeekness]

Yeah, I'm glad to see Gambit as his normal self in this picture and he's in the same clump with Rogue, and Psylocke. This proves our two lovers will once again be together. Could they all be ending up on the same team again? They used to be.

I don't find the cover boring at all. I would have preferred Larrocca to draw it or Andy Kubert, but oh well. With Larrocca, it would have been absolutely gorgeous. I'll have to buy the issue now. It had better be a pull-out.Just because Gambit looks normal doesn't mean he will be in this issue, unless they do some flashbacking. This cover just highlights people, but I wouldn't say it's current with continuity. :)

I agree with you about Larrocca. He draws the best Gambit. :D

[Specter313]

Wait, Storms in X-men #200?

No, like it said in the article, that cover just shows all the mutants who have been X-Men, not that they'd be in the issue.

[javon]

^Okay, forget my previous post then.

[Havok83]

Uh, yeah, Warpath is an X-Man, hence why he's on the current Uncanny X-Men team.
I know Warpath is an X-man. I meant he isnt, as in he isnt on the cover

[OutcryX]

MastermindDanielle MoonstarYes thats himKarimaCorrect on both counts

[b]Pulse, and Red Lotus were never X-men. Karima and Mastermind are there. Warpath isnt and good call on Thunderbird III bc I forgot about him and it looks like Finch did too

That's karima? Why would she be drawn so indistinguishable? i thought it was Polaris upon first glance.

Warpath isn't on the cover which is disturbing...unless that actually IS him and Thunderbird, one of the most important figures in X-men history isn't...which is REALLY disturbing...they really should put Warpath back in his Pollina drawn X-Force costume or something that indicates he isn't his brother.

And what qualifies Slipstream as an X-man that doesn't qualify Red Lotus or Pulse? I don't remember him explicitly stating he was joining. Also how in da hell would he remember to draw Lifeguard and Slipstream and NOT Thunderbird III?

And pardon me for not knowing but when was Moonstar an official X-Man..er woman?

[Snikt 6]

^I think most of us are over analyzing the issue...hey it looks cool....lets just enjoy it!!!!!!

I wish all covers would generate this much excitement. This is how the X-Men should be....

[Nature's Rising]

The cover is awesome! Although I find the females' eyes disturbing...its looks like their pupils are looking at each other or just anywhere (Rogue, Storm, Jean, Mystique)...Finch makes confusing eyes.

[Havok83]

did Xavier get collagen shots? Boy are his lips huge

[emmymae]

Just because Gambit looks normal doesn't mean he will be in this issue, unless they do some flashbacking. This cover just highlights people, but I wouldn't say it's current with continuity. :)

I agree with you about Larrocca. He draws the best Gambit. :D

Gambit certainly won't look normal in the issue; I was just happy to see him look that way on the cover.

Of course the cover doesn't reflect the current plot, I was just day dreaming. It was nice to see Gambit, Rogue and Psylocke next to each other. The cover's fabulous. I'm considering making it my wall paper.

[OutcryX]

Gambit will look like Gambit again...in time. Angel is Angel again. The only one with constantly evolving looks(that stick) is Beast.

[Snikt 6]

I wonder if Jean will ever come back..........

[Colossal Spoons]

I've heard rumors that the big crossover event coming up is about her. :ninja:

[Mogwai]

I wonder if Jean will ever come back..........
I hope so. Like someone said earlier in this thread, it's great to see Jean at Scott's side (once again) instead of Emma.

[emmymae]

That would be wonderful. And I'm the one who said that it was great to see Cyclops with Jean. I also hope to see Storm in the series again. Her best buddies need her. I can't wait to see Gambit and Rogue together again. What will they say to each other? We have to wait until June. Wahh...:csad:

[Snikt 6]

^Well if the big ol crossover is about Jean.......I will be so hyped!!!! But, I feel that would be getting my hopes up. On the cover of 200 it does show Jean with Scott......and Emma allllll the way over in the corner.

I hope the Gambit & Rogue thing takes a bit to come together, they have been through alot and I hope the writers dont just throw them together again (like Havok and Polaris in Uncanny). It works better if they learn something from their trials.

I am just not a huge Storm fan....plus she is in the Fantastic Four for a bit now anyways.....just doesnt sound right, does it?

[04nbod]

Yeah, I'm glad to see Gambit as his normal self in this picture and he's in the same clump with Rogue, and Psylocke. This proves our two lovers will once again be together. Could they all be ending up on the same team again? They used to be.


but they are separate psylocke is between them and iceman is on top of rogue :cwink: :oldrazz: Don't read anything into it

happy about jean and cyclops that is something i can read something into. Jean and cyclops together with emma far...away:woot:

[@JeanGrey]

Since Carey has started writing the book, covers are not at all related to the arc/plot inside (except the annual). It is just a fabulus anniversary cover

[emmymae]

but they are separate psylocke is between them and iceman is on top of rogue :cwink: :oldrazz: Don't read anything into it

happy about jean and cyclops that is something i can read something into. Jean and cyclops together with emma far...away:woot:

At least Gambit and Rogue are near each other. I want to see them together again soon. I know it will take a while but they belong together.

Storm is in The Fantastic Four?! That's absurd. What are they thinking? Getting the right couples back together is a good first step. I have to wait until June for the issue so I can see Gambit again.

[Mistopurr83]

That would be wonderful. And I'm the one who said that it was great to see Cyclops with Jean. I also hope to see Storm in the series again. Her best buddies need her. I can't wait to see Gambit and Rogue together again. What will they say to each other? We have to wait until June. Wahh...:csad:

I feel the same way.

[04nbod]

At least Gambit and Rogue are near each other. I want to see them together again soon. I know it will take a while but they belong together.

Storm is in The Fantastic Four?! That's absurd. What are they thinking? Getting the right couples back together is a good first step. I have to wait until June for the issue so I can see Gambit again.

notice they have their backs to each other as well. i don't think rogue and gambit have been on and off for around 15 years cyclops and jean have pretty much been meant for each other since day one. rogue and gambit have been uncertain in my eyes and i think they should either get together or leave each other alone. i prefer the latter because rogue is better as an independant sassy woman.

[Rogue's Hand]

notice they have their backs to each other as well. i don't think rogue and gambit have been on and off for around 15 years cyclops and jean have pretty much been meant for each other since day one. rogue and gambit have been uncertain in my eyes and i think they should either get together or leave each other alone. i prefer the latter because rogue is better as an independant sassy woman.
I agree. They are better off apart.
them being together weakens their character too much.
A nice bloody fight will do btwn them :cwink:

[Snikt 6]

^Never know, thats just what we might get. With Carey's writing that would be an instant classic.....

I am very curious who the new line up will be. Only two or three of the current cast will return, my guess is Rogue, Iceman and (unfortunatley) Cannonball. Well see.....

[Rogue's Hand]

^Never know, thats just what we might get. With Carey's writing that would be an instant classic.....

I am very curious who the new line up will be. Only two or three of the current cast will return, my guess is Rogue, Iceman and (unfortunatley) Cannonball. Well see.....
I want Rogue to fight him & Sunfire at the same time :woot:

[Snikt 6]

^That would be sweet. I am still curious on how Carey is going to handle Rogue's "illness" from last issue - I wonder where he is heading with her.

I also think Sabertooth will not be around in the X-Men very much longer, and I wonder how he is 1) released or 2) escapes.

[squeekness]

I hope Saby stays... unless Wolverine ends up killing him in his own series... :(

[spark627]

Since Carey has started writing the book, covers are not at all related to the arc/plot inside (except the annual). It is just a fabulus anniversary cover


um, I haven't seen one cover that wa misleading our 'not at all related to the arc/plot inside'. All of the covers have been taken from the story.

[Snikt 6]

I hope Saby stays... unless Wolverine ends up killing him in his own series... :(

Oh, if only.....if only......

[Charlie No-One]

Does anyone have a wallpaper sized version of that cover? It is currently too big for my computer.

[04nbod]

um, I haven't seen one cover that wa misleading our 'not at all related to the arc/plot inside'. All of the covers have been taken from the story.

they have- i think the last one was just a 'cool' cover. just to make the characters look tough but overall still related to the issue.

[04nbod]

Does anyone have a wallpaper sized version of that cover? It is currently too big for my computer.

its too huge you'll have to split it into your favourite parts, right now its across the middle of my screen

[Snikt 6]

^Yep, to big. Very cool though.....

[Colossal Spoons]

I centered it for my wallpaper.

[El Bastardo]

I did what Spoons did, above. What a surprise.

On a 1024x768 resolution, using the bigger posted image, it goes pretty much from Rogue on the left to Cyclops on the right, which works for me!

[Nature's Rising]

Yup, the center is just the impt X-Men. The sides are negligible. Except for Prof X and Magneto. Which I had a hard time cropping, btw.

[bengan]

Am I the only one who thinks that this is the new lineup for X-men?
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g199/ilovebengan/X-Men200colorb.jpg

The new linewup will be final around #209 so I dont think it will be too far off...

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Yes, I do think youre the only one. But whatever, not a bad team it would be if you ask me.

[squeekness]

Am I the only one who thinks that this is the new lineup for X-men?
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g199/ilovebengan/X-Men200colorb.jpg

The new linewup will be final around #209 so I dont think it will be too far off...
I'd be happy to have a book with Gambit in it. Any book.

[El Bastardo]

It would be a possibility, but I doubt Claremont is going to give up Psylocke or Juggs.

[Colossal Spoons]

Yup, he's got quite the hold on them. AND Bishop isn't really on speaking terms with the X-Men :(

[El Bastardo]

Bishop's a dink who got face-planted in Civil War 7 :woot:

[emmymae]

Bishop's a cool guy. Bengan, that's a great observation. That would be a great team. Though Gambit is Death, hopefully to be resolved soon, and Psylocke, and I guess Juggernaut are with the Uncanny X-Men. Carey did say there would be a different team save for two or three members. It's a possiblility.

On the Romy front, I have always believed they belonged together. I'm too tired to go into a debate but they have had issues that got in the way, but they need to get those resolved and realize they are each other's soul mate. They just might get to that point seeing as Claremont had them married in X-Men: The End and he is back on the writing staff. The passion and connection between them is magic and nothing ever in all reality stopped that, no matter how many times they were 'broken-up.' They have always loved each other. Where else can it go? You can't disappoint the fans. And I don't mean immediately back together, that's not possible right now.

Jean and Scott belong together too.:heart:

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Psylocke = Exiles
Juggs = New Excaibur

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

It would be a possibility, but I doubt Claremont is going to give up Psylocke or Juggs.

Huh.

Good ol' CC not giving up a character's he's obss... he has a fixation on. Gee, now why does that sound somewhat familiar? :woot: :woot: :woot:

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

So, Claremont really likes these characters. I see no problem in that.

[mightiest_mortal]

So, Claremont really likes these characters. I see no problem in that.

Yeah the problems arise when he makes them more and more ridiculously powerful and then starts forcing them into his own domination/submission fantasies in the comics..

....i mean HOW many people have tried to break Storms will/forced her to be their queen now?

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Meh, I won't lie. If I were the writer, I'm sure I'd do the same. And not even for a favorite character of mine, in fear that I'd somehow screw them up.

[Colossal Spoons]

Well you've already shown to have pretty strong biases so any comic you write would have a cast of entirely gay black characters lol. No comics book for you.

[ProfeZZor X]

Am I the only one who thinks that this is the new lineup for X-men?
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g199/ilovebengan/X-Men200colorb.jpg

The new linewup will be final around #209 so I dont think it will be too far off...

I'd be somewhat okay with that line up. Only I'd hate for MC to turn this book into a Rogue/Gambit fest. Those two have had their differences, so they should move on. And I've said it before that getting those two back together is a bad idea, only because I have a strong feeling that their love life will interfere with whatever story arc is happening.... He get's hurt, she yells out: "GAMBIT!!!!! NO!?!?!"... And he'd do the same. I don't know how many time's I'd shoot myself if that happened. If fans like them so much, maybe Marvel should create their own freakin' book together....Far away from the X-Men. They can call it "The Chronicles of Rogue and Gambit". And let the X-Men do real superhero work.

Psylocke - Never really been a big fan of hers, but I would probably take interest in her if I knew what MC would do with her, and whatever past events he'd bring up to haunt her, or bring to light.

Cannonball - Since he's been under MC's wing, I've grown to like him a little more than what I knew about him previously. I liked him a little during him New Mutant days, only because of his cool powers. But I eventually fell out of touch. These days, he has a little more dimension to him, but I still think he needs a little more work, and possibly a love interest (besides the manipulative Serafina).

Gambit - Like I said before, I think his involvement on this team would interefere with the core values of this team. Even though it's a "Kick ass now, and ask questions later" kind of outfit, bringing in the romance issues between him and Rogue would only soften the team and the objectives a bit.

Juggernaut - I didn't mind when he was on during Milligain's run, but he was just a little too soft for my taste. When he admitted to being weaker than Iceman in the powers department, I pretty much lost respect for one of he X-Men's most feared foes. I understand that he lost some of that power, over the years, but his most recent story arc, he should be back to hisoriginal power levels... And more formittable than ever before. Even if he defects against the X-Men again. Besides, he and Bobby have some unresolved issues. Since Bobby was very vocal on him being on the team in the first place.

Rogue - Same with Gambit, I don't want her emotions to over take her judgement and leadership skills. If she can't handle it, then she should step down as leader, and allow one of the other team members to take over.

Iceman - Well, most of you already know where ever he goes, I go. And for now, I have every bit of confidence that MC will give him a role, and steadily develop him into someone with depth. Although I would prefer him to do a little more than being blown up,I'd also like to see some of his tactical skills, and offensive moves that don't involve him using his powers. MC recently mentioned that Bobby will be faced in a situation where his powers will be useless. So that should be interesting to read about. Otherwise, there are other aspects to being made of ice, so I'd like to see more hydro and mist based abilities of his.

So that's my take on these characters... If they make it as the next lineup, post #200 and beyond.

[Colossal Spoons]

^Man, I'd be so up for a Rogue and Gambit book removed from the X-Men. They can be replaced with Angel and Husk who's relationship has never overshadowed an arc :up:

[bengan]

^No but they did have sex in front of her mother.... thats just wierd.

[Colossal Spoons]

...in the air too :ninja:

[Havok83]

^No but they did have sex in front of her mother.... thats just wierd.
they never had sex in front of her mother. All they did was make out

[emmymae]

What make-out scene? I must have missed something.

No way Gambit and Rogue should be removed from the X-Books. Love is not a weakness, and it's nice to have someone looking out for you. It shouldn't ruin any story more than the Cyclops and Jean romance ever did. Rogue can handle almost anything. Gambit is awesome and he once again will be his cool self. Carey has a style no other X-writer has and he has produced some awesome work. Gambit and Rogue are two very popular characters and they're not going anywhere. You can trust Carey to do them both justice. And yes, they should stop blowing up Iceman.:oldrazz:

[bengan]

they never had sex in front of her mother. All they did was make out
Oh, I didnt read it. i just got it from Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Austen
Archangel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archangel_%28comics%29) and Husk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Husk_%28comics%29) becoming lovers, especially when Archangel carries her to the air, removes her clothes and has sex (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex) with her within sight of the rest of the team and Husk's mother

But I dont know what issue its in so I cant tell which of you two thats correct. Does anyone know?

[Colossal Spoons]

I read it, they had sex in mid air in the She Lies With Angels arc. There was a small audience watching too.

[emmymae]

I thought you were talking about Gambit and Rogue. Oops. Husk and Archangel, that is just sick. Poor Psylocke.:wow:

[Colossal Spoons]

Pslocke was "dead" at this time.

[Random]

She also had a thing going with Thunderbird 3

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Yeah the problems arise when he makes them more and more ridiculously powerful and then starts forcing them into his own domination/submission fantasies in the comics..

....i mean HOW many people have tried to break Storms will/forced her to be their queen now?

Thank you. :woot:

And I usually refer to as CC's latest Storm years as full-blown madness. :woot:

[Mike059jig]

^Yes she was Mary Sue'd like crazy.......

Husk and Archangel I hate that relationship....I miss chamber

[bengan]

I read it, they had sex in mid air in the She Lies With Angels arc. There was a small audience watching too.
Was this a long time ago or do anyone have some scans?

[Snikt 6]

^Yes she was Mary Sue'd like crazy.......

Husk and Archangel I hate that relationship....I miss chamber

Totally agree...hope it ends soon, very soon......wonder if the big X even will involve Chamber at all.

[Havok83]

I read it, they had sex in mid air in the She Lies With Angels arc. There was a small audience watching too.
his clothes were fully on and she was covered (though barely, was still covered)

[Havok83]

Was this a long time ago or do anyone have some scans?
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/464/uxmen441sa9.jpg

[Snikt 6]

^blah

[Mike059jig]

Totally agree...hope it ends soon, very soon......wonder if the big X even will involve Chamber at all.Well he got transformed into a Apoc jr that looks cool....I been waiting for somebody to pick up that storyline.....

[Specter313]

his clothes were fully on and she was covered (though barely, was still covered)

You do know that you don't have to be totally naked to have sex?

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Well you've already shown to have pretty strong biases so any comic you write would have a cast of entirely gay black characters lol. No comics book for you.
:woot: You know me too well.:(:o

[Havok83]

You do know that you don't have to be totally naked to have sex?
of course but if your baby making parts are covered, you can't

[04nbod]

of course but if your baby making parts are covered, you can't

do we all need to have 'the talk':oldrazz: :woot:

[Havok83]

do we all need to have 'the talk':oldrazz: :woot:
lol...I was trying to avoid a biology lesson

[Havok83]

do we all need to have 'the talk':oldrazz: :woot:
lol...I was trying to avoid a biology lesson

[Colossal Spoons]

Their underpants could be off or heck...pulled to the side :ninja:

[Mike059jig]

^Exactly......

[ProfeZZor X]

Oops... Double post.

Damn server.

[Colossal Spoons]

^You posted that exact same thing on the last page :huh: lol

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

You noticed that too, huh? I thought my computer was messed up.

[bengan]

That wasnt too bad ^ It left much to imagination :)

[emmymae]

Pslocke was "dead" at this time.

I didn't read the comic for 11 years so I didn't know. It's funny how many hook-ups there are. Husk has such a gross power.

[Snikt 6]

Well he got transformed into a Apoc jr that looks cool....I been waiting for somebody to pick up that storyline.....

Me too, wonder if this will be delt with in the crossover. It really bothers me how these great characters just get cast aside, someone picks them up, jacks them up......yep, thats it. No more. Until someone else picks them up, jackes them up.....

[Specter313]

Well he got transformed into a Apoc jr that looks cool....I been waiting for somebody to pick up that storyline.....

Well, it looks like somebody might be:

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266456&page=2

Scroll down to my post about the character they're calling Decibel.

[Snikt 6]

^Good stuff, thanks spec. What do you think? I don't know......seems like a cop out to me.....

[Colossal Spoons]

I didn't read the comic for 11 years so I didn't know. It's funny how many hook-ups there are. Husk has such a gross power.

It is a bit messy and unattracive to look at but it's really a cool concept.

[anyjus]

As anyone seen the peview to #197? What is Lady Mastermind up tp?

[Valechan]

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/464/uxmen441sa9.jpg

Goddess She Lies with Angels is the most romantic X-Story ever... I just love it :D

[Colossal Spoons]

^I think I might re-read that arc this week :D

[bengan]

As anyone seen the peview to #197? What is Lady Mastermind up tp?
I dont thibnk there is one out there..yet. There probably will be one next week :)

[@JeanGrey]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0703/15/marvelfirsts.htm

Preview for issue #197 :)

[Mike059jig]

nice I will pick it up since its a new arc....

Ice and stique..wonder where Carey is headed with that....

[@JeanGrey]

Ice and stique..wonder where Carey is headed with that....

After seeing those preview pages without the bubbles months ago and still we are speculating what he is going to do with them. Actually, as long as carey proves himself creative i don't care. X-Men are a really good book and they get better every issue. BTW, i really like the issues art. Is it me or Bachalo just got better?:whatever:

[Specter313]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0703/15/xmen197c.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0703/15/xmen1971.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0703/15/xmen1972.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0703/15/xmen1973.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0703/15/xmen1974.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0703/15/xmen1975.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0703/15/xmen1976.jpg

[El Bastardo]

... The page said Ramos was doing art, and it got me all excited.

Effing Bachalo.

[mightiest_mortal]

hmm.... well that preview is definately interesting to say the least.

Im really enjoying this title but I think we just need a bit more of Karima. At the moment shes just coming across as a poor mans Sage... wich is saying a lot as Sage is a bad baaad character :(
How's anyone else feeling about her?

[ProfeZZor X]

X-MEN: ENDANGERED SPECIES ONE-SHOT
Written by MIKE CAREY
Pencils by SCOT EATON
Cover by MARC SILVESTRI
Join THE ASTONISHING X-MEN, X-FACTOR, and the NEW X-MEN for the first steps towards the fate of the entire mutant race.

http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NJF39art/X-Men_ES.jpg

[gothicFLAVOURS]

Well, after having Ramos' art for a couple of issues, it's so refreshing to see Bachalo doing the art, even though I'm not a big fan of his either. Anyways, the story looks interesting.

[04nbod]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0703/15/xmen1976.jpg


i'm still hoping there is a twist in store and that fire is not for mystique

[OutcryX]

hmm.... well that preview is definately interesting to say the least.

Im really enjoying this title but I think we just need a bit more of Karima. At the moment shes just coming across as a poor mans Sage... wich is saying a lot as Sage is a bad baaad character :(
How's anyone else feeling about her?

I really really like Karima...of the four non x-men(her, Lady M, Sabretooth and Msytique) she is the only one i can see sticking around long term and being an X-man..er X-Sentinel. That is if Creed doesn't gut her first. All the others have ulterior motives. Hell...even Karima can turn at any moment if her Sentinel program ever takes control. a team of peopl that will kill each other as much as the enemy. awesome.

[emmymae]

That's a scary prospect. A team that can kill each other. I hope nobody activates Karima's kill program. I think she's cool and Sage is cool too. What's going to happen to Rogue? She looks so sick. I bet she's having dreams of her sweetie. That's probably the only comfort she has now. I'm getting really ansy about Gambit's return in issue #200.:heart:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

X-MEN: ENDANGERED SPECIES ONE-SHOT
Written by MIKE CAREY
Pencils by SCOT EATON
Cover by MARC SILVESTRI
Join THE ASTONISHING X-MEN, X-FACTOR, and the NEW X-MEN for the first steps towards the fate of the entire mutant race.

*eye twitches*

Please tell me Carey isn't the goddamn mastermind behind the X-Men cross-over.

[emmymae]

Carey is one heck of a writer and I don't mind him being the mastermind behind the cross-over one bit. I'm glad they're letting him write the important stuff; he's probably the best they've got right now, besides Chris Claremont, godfather of the X-Men. Of course there's always debate over who's a great writer and who's not.:cwink:

[Specter313]

Carey is not the "mastermind" behind the event.

[Mike059jig]

X-MEN: ENDANGERED SPECIES ONE-SHOT
Written by MIKE CAREY
Pencils by SCOT EATON
Cover by MARC SILVESTRI
Join THE ASTONISHING X-MEN, X-FACTOR, and the NEW X-MEN for the first steps towards the fate of the entire mutant race.

http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NJF39art/X-Men_ES.jpg

what a team!!:wow:

[Colossal Spoons]

^Yeah, seriously.

[Rogue's Hand]

From the looks of things, I'd say Bobby has a huge part to play
in upcoming issues. I want to know what Creed had to say about
Lady M. I wonder what's the big mystery :huh:

[Snikt 6]

what a team!!:wow:

I hope that the X teams merge for a bit before they go to their separate titles.....

[javon]

what a team!!:wow:
Exactly who do they consist of? I see Logan, Rogue, Cyclops, and
Nightcralwer, but I can't make out the other 2.

[Charlie No-One]

Multiple Man and Surge.

[javon]

^Surge, as in, Nuriko?! Woohoo! I LOVE her. MM, meh.

[bengan]

Multiple Man and Surge.
I thought so too at fist, but now I think its Storm.

[javon]

^Nah, Storms hair is wayy longer than that. Plus that isn't how her costume looks.

[Colossal Spoons]

^Surge, as in, Nuriko?! Woohoo! I LOVE her. MM, meh.

WHAT!? :wow:

You read X-Factor? Jamie is turning into the most complicated and intricate character.

[Colossal Spoons]

I thought so too at fist, but now I think its Storm.

And Storm cannot surround her hands in lightning.

[Specter313]

what a team!!:wow:

Who said that was a team?

[Colossal Spoons]

Way to burst the bubble Spec :heart:

[Specter313]

Way to burst the bubble Spec :heart:

Well, it's not like it's hard to see that all the cover is, is just a grouping of the leaders of the various X-teams that will be involved in the crossover.

[Colossal Spoons]

Who would you say "leads" Uncanny anyay?

[Specter313]

Nightcrawler. Xavier may be there, but he's never been the true leader. Kurt's kinda called most of the shots, especially when they were going into fights early in the arc.

[Colossal Spoons]

Word, I would have chosen Havok to represent the team.

[JustABill]

^Surge, as in, Nuriko?! Woohoo! I LOVE her. MM, meh.
I hope your only contact with MM isn't Last Stand Multiple Man, when you say that. Eric Dane only got to play one layer of the character that is Madrox there.

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, the Madrox mini and XF have made me go from "MM...whatever" to "I love this guy" :D

[emmymae]

You could certainly say that they only got to play one layer of most of the characters in the movies. I never knew who Multiple Man was and I don't care. Pretty disappointing in that respect, especially with Rogue. She didn't even get a part that was her own. She got the part reserved for Jubilee or Kitty Pryde (another character I didn't know before I saw the movies). And having no Gambit really disappointed me too. Psylocke was hardly recognizable, wasn't part of the X-Men, and only got one line.

It's cool Nightcrawler gets to call the shots in Uncanny. I hope there is some way to fix the problem with the mutants dying off and that the many who lost their powers can get them back. Lots of issues to contend with. One in the forefront of my mind is Gambit as Death.:csad:

[Colossal Spoons]

You could certainly say that they only got to play one layer of most of the characters in the movies. I never knew who Multiple Man was and I don't care. Pretty disappointing in that respect, especially with Rogue. She didn't even get a part that was her own. She got the part reserved for Jubilee or Kitty Pryde (another character I didn't know before I saw the movies). And having no Gambit really disappointed me too. Psylocke was hardly recognizable, wasn't part of the X-Men, and only got one line.

It's cool Nightcrawler gets to call the shots in Uncanny. I hope there is some way to fix the problem with the mutants dying off and that the many who lost their powers can get them back. Lots of issues to contend with. One in the forefront of my mind is Gambit as Death.:csad:

That's too bad. I'd be willing to bet anything you'd like him if you read his mini or X-Factor.

[emmymae]

Maybe I would. :yay: But I only have time to read one book and I love Gambit and Rogue so much that I never ventured outside of the main X-Men teams. There are too many characters in the X-books. I just looked at the character listing on Uncanny X-Men.net, and it's exhaustive.

[Havok83]

I thought so too at fist, but now I think its Storm.
its definetly Surge and not Storm. We know that New X-men will be part of the story and that cover has all the current X-leaders and Storm isnt one of them. She's off in FF and BP land. She doesnt even feel like an X-character anymore

[Colossal Spoons]

Maybe I would. :yay: But I only have time to read one book and I love Gambit and Rogue so much that I never ventured outside of the main X-Men teams. There are too many characters in the X-books. I just looked at the character listing on Uncanny X-Men.net, and it's exhaustive.

and I love most of them lol

[Colossal Spoons]

its definetly Surge and not Storm. We know that New X-men will be part of the story and that cover has all the current X-leaders and Storm isnt one of them. She's off in FF and BP land. She doesnt even feel like an X-character anymore

Sad and true

[squeekness]

If Nightcrawler is on the cover, then that must answer the question about wether or not he returns from space. :) I thought Brubaker said some Xs would left behind. Must not be him.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

its definetly Surge and not Storm. We know that New X-men will be part of the story and that cover has all the current X-leaders and Storm isnt one of them. She's off in FF and BP land. She doesnt even feel like an X-character anymore

Hell, she arguably doesn't even feel like a character anymore ever since Claremont lost it and turned her into a Mary Sue... :csad:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

If Nightcrawler is on the cover, then that must answer the question about wether or not he returns from space. :) I thought Brubaker said some Xs would left behind. Must not be him.

For some reason, I just never was worried that much about him not coming back.

If I was Alex or Lorna, I'd be real worried right now. :wow:

[ProfeZZor X]

i'm still hoping there is a twist in store and that fire is not for mystique

Me too... I wish she would hook him and Rogue up together. Or at least give him some encouragement to be a better and braver person.

[Specter313]

http://images.comicbookresources.com/cons/wizworldla2007/marvel/xmen/x-men-200-bachalo.jpg
http://images.comicbookresources.com/cons/wizworldla2007/marvel/xmen/x-men-200-finch.jpg


X-MEN #200 (FINCH GATEFOLD VARIANT COVER)
Written by MIKE CAREY
Penciled by Humberto Ramos & CHRIS BACHALO
50/50 Wraparound Cover by Humberto Ramos
50/50 Wraparound Cover by CHRIS BACHALO
Gatefold Variant Cover by DAVID FINCH
Blinded by the Light, Part 1 of 4.
Jump on board here! This is where it all begins! The X-Men face meltdown from within and from without... and their leader, Rogue, faces something worse. Meanwhile a mysterious strike force is taking out the few remaining mutants one by one, with ruthless efficiency. But who is the ultimate target? This special double-sized anniversary issue features a plethora of mutant guest stars, the return of several fan-favorites, and a devastating face-off against the deadliest villain team in the X-Men's forty-four year history! FEATURING THE FIRST ENDANGERED SPECIES BACK-UP STORY LEADING UP TO THIS FALL'S X-MEN EVENT!
64 PGS./Rated A ...$3.99

[Snikt 6]

^Man those covers get my hyped!!!!!! When does #200 come out?
So half of the Uncanny team makes it back, and we know Nightcrawler, Prof X and Warpath are a few of the characters that will be back. Also Cannonball is going to have a big role in the bix X event......should be fun!

[04nbod]

damn i hate ramo's art the second is so much better. I'm assuming the first is just a segment from his big cover as both are wraparounds.

[spark627]

thats bachalo, not ramos

[emmymae]

Issue #200 comes out in June. I can't wait and that description makes me even more ansy. I get to see Gambit again, so what if he's Death, I'll take him any way he comes. Come back to the light, Remy!

No Rogue/Iceman hook-up, please. No one can replace Remy, don't even try, and Rogue doesn't have time for romance right now. She has way too much to deal with. I'm exhausted thinking about it.:wow:

[Mistopurr83]

Pretty disappointing in that respect, especially with Rogue. She didn't even get a part that was her own. She got the part reserved for Jubilee or Kitty Pryde. And having no Gambit really disappointed me too. Psylocke was hardly recognizable, wasn't part of the X-Men, and only got one line.


Yeah it still annoys me 'til this day that the movieRogue and the 616 Kitty Pryde are really the same character with different powers. 616 Rogue is not even what Kitty Pryde and Jubilee were if you look at flashbacks of her younger days. That's why Rogue should've been given her own part in the films like she has been in all other universes of X-Men. I say the movieRogue is the most useless superhero I have even seen on the silverscreen.:down

I'm annoyed Gambit wasn't included in the films either, but coinsidently I have bad feeling he would've ended up like Iceman in Singer's films or like Psylocke in Ratner's film. In other words, Gambit would've been sidelined, screwed up and miscasted just to make Logan look like the top hero over everyone else and comic fans would've been debating that he was not truly the ragin cajun we all know and love!:o

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

thats bachalo, not ramos

Which reminds me, goddamn Bachalo's art is bloody terrible. All around. Since day one and most likely until the very end of time. Just... hungh.

Someone just clone Cassaday or Tan. To hell with pesky ethics. :woot:

[Valechan]

And Storm cannot surround her hands in lightning

Yes she can... we've seen her thousands of times with lightning in her hands.

Seeing as Ororo is returning to the X-Men for a mission in Uncanny I'd say she is going to lead that team. Regardless if she comes as a guest or not, Ororo is the best leader of the X-Men ever period.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Seeing as Ororo is returning to the X-Men for a mission in Uncanny I'd say she is going to lead that team.

For that mission, maybe, but it's Kurt we see on that Endangered Species cover.

Regardless if she comes as a guest or not, Ororo is the best leader of the X-Men ever period.

Sigh. Somehow I just saw that one coming miles away. :woot:

Oh well, at least you didn't say the others flat out suck, which I suppose, is as good as we'll ever get. :woot:

[Valechan]

The other leaders are so worthless they aren't even in my mind :p

[usagicassidy]

What good is a leader who is always getting captured to be someone's queen? :p

You know what I miss? Marrow/Storm.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

I miss the 80's

[Brainiac 8]

When written correctly....Cyclops is the best leader for the X-Men. Really he is the best all around leader/tactician second only to Captain America.

[El Bastardo]

Oh, gods, please don't let this thread turn into another sebita vs. everyone else debate on who the best leaders are. :cmad:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Oh, gods, please don't let this thread turn into another sebita vs. everyone else debate on who the best leaders are. :cmad:

Pointless debate indeed.

Storm's gonna win every fight with a snap of her finger since no character can survive the onslaught unleashed by a fully powered Mary Sue.

And let's be honest with one another, that's what happened when CC's creepy worship/dementia started to really kick in in the mid-late 80s. :woot:

And how the bloody hell did the X-Men thread turn into a Storm pimping session anyway? :woot:

[Colossal Spoons]

Sebita and javon need their own forum at this site lol

[Colossal Spoons]

Yes she can... we've seen her thousands of times with lightning in her hands.

..and each time, it's the artist having fun with her. What part of "weather manipulation" explains surrounding ones hands w/ lightning. Is Storm immune to the elements too, cuz if so; let's have Electro throw a few thousand volts at her.

[javon]

^???Where did I come in? And where did you get the idea that she can't surround lightning around her hands?
Originally posted by sebita
The other leaders are so worthless they aren't even in my mind
:huh: :huh: :huh: Sure you aren't forgetting someone there? Rhymes with ICEPOPS :p

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm just pokin fun cuz you two are the Stormoholics around here :p

I've never understood why artist draw her to be able to surround her hands with lightning and even shoot it. She commands weather. She can have lightning shoot from the sky, but I don't understand her shooting it like Surge.

[javon]

I'm just pokin fun cuz you two are the Stormoholics around here :p
Yeah But I haven't been all "Storm this! Storm that! Ahhhh!!!!!"........or have I?

I've never understood why artist draw her to be able to surround her hands with lightning and even shoot it. She commands weather. She can have lightning shoot from the sky, but I don't understand her shooting it like Surge.
Hmmm...it was explained in one issue...in quite a few of them I think. But I'm not too sure on the specific issue. Mabe Sebita knows...

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Yeah But I haven't been all "Storm this! Storm that! Ahhhh!!!!!"........or have I?

Actually, I'm fairly certain Jav put me on Ignore because I said Storm turned into a bloody Mary Sue in the mid-late 80s and that had CC not completely lost it, she'd have no business being that uber l33t. :woot:

Me suggesting she'd get her a$$ soundly kicked just to shake off the irritating Mary Sue/goddess vibe and make 'Ro an actual character once more rather than the walking epitome of uber apparently was the last straw. :woot:

Oh, and apparently, that's me trying to desecrate the character's legacy and being a total Storm-hater rather than me, ya know, advocating to save her in the eye of the casual fan. Oh well. :woot:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

And to steer things back on topic.

Seriously, am I the only thinking the art in X-Men is just bloody awful??

It's some campy thing I just don't get, right?

[Havok83]

And to steer things back on topic.

Seriously, am I the only thinking the art in X-Men is just bloody awful??

It's some campy thing I just don't get, right?
only when Ramos draws

[bengan]

I love it! The writing is good, but the art is superb. But a lot of people just hat it....

[Colossal Spoons]

I prefer Ramos to Bachalo

[javon]

Actually, I'm fairly certain Jav put me on Ignore because I said Storm turned into a bloody Mary Sue in the mid-late 80s and that had CC not completely lost it, she'd have no business being that uber l33t. :woot:
:huh: I didn't put you on ignore. I don't even know what a Mary Sue is :woot:

[Mike059jig]

If you need to know, Mary Sue is like a flawless character........most of time its the writers favorite.....

[emmymae]

Yeah it still annoys me 'til this day that the movieRogue and the 616 Kitty Pryde are really the same character with different powers. 616 Rogue is not even what Kitty Pryde and Jubilee were if you look at flashbacks of her younger days. That's why Rogue should've been given her own part in the films like she has been in all other universes of X-Men. I say the movieRogue is the most useless superhero I have even seen on the silverscreen.:down

I'm annoyed Gambit wasn't included in the films either, but coinsidently I have bad feeling he would've ended up like Iceman in Singer's films or like Psylocke in Ratner's film. In other words, Gambit would've been sidelined, screwed up and miscasted just to make Logan look like the top hero over everyone else and comic fans would've been debating that he was not truly the ragin cajun we all know and love!:o

I so glad you agree with me. Gambit deserved way better than a meaningless bit part. Rogue and Psylocke deserved much better roles.

About Storm. I think she is a great leader. Yes, Cyclops is good at leading but Storm was deservedly co-leader. She's much more approachable, like a wise aunt, than Cyke who's stiff and so concerned with his authority that he neglects his heart. And anyway, Storm is the closest to a best friend that Gambit has and a great friend to Rogue, I can't help but like her. Anyone who's good to my people.

Storm has proven that she isn't invulnerable. She should be a regular fixture in the series once again. So what if everyone wants to make her their queen? She is royalty.

Anyhow, back to Rogue and company. And the return of Gambit!:heart::heart::heart::heart:

[Specter313]

Big interview about issue 200 and more:

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/article/showquestion.asp?faq=12&fldAuto=323

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Page 100! Whoo!!

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

:huh: I didn't put you on ignore.

My bad, then. And good for you, btw, doing so is just so bloody stupid. :woot:

I don't even know what a Mary Sue is :woot:

As Mike said, they're usually the writer's fav and either start out flawless or keep becoming stronger and stronger just... because.

Usually people make cracks about writers overidentifying with their Mary Sue, but when the writer's of the opposite sex, odds are the Mary Sue is the woman/man they'd want to f**k.

Which is borderline creepy, but oh well.


@emmymae: Didn't we try to *not* turn this into a who's the best leader??? :woot:


Anyway, good to know the Cajun might come back someday. I'm just hoping it won't be a mere part of some weird Rogue worship/abuse plot and... oh, wait. :woot:

[javon]

I so glad you agree with me. Gambit deserved way better than a meaningless bit part. Rogue and Psylocke deserved much better roles.

About Storm. I think she is a great leader. Yes, Cyclops is good at leading but Storm was deservedly co-leader. She's much more approachable, like a wise aunt, than Cyke who's stiff and so concerned with his authority that he neglects his heart. And anyway, Storm is the closest to a best friend that Gambit has and a great friend to Rogue, I can't help but like her. Anyone who's good to my people.

Storm has proven that she isn't invulnerable. She should be a regular fixture in the series once again. So what if everyone wants to make her their queen? She is royalty.
:woot: :woot: Exactly, QUEEN ORORO. Besides being my fav character, thats also what I like about Ororo. She has that positive energy to bring to the team and whoever she is around. That's basically why she was a PERFECTchoice for being a guest star in Uncanny.

[spark627]

Changing the topic... anyone know how long Mastermind is sticking around? I'm starting to really like her.

[javon]

Theres a female mastermind???

[Havok83]

Theres a female mastermind???
thats a trick question right? There's two, with one currently in this title

[javon]

No it's isn't a trick question. I just thought there was a male MM.

[Snikt 6]

Big interview about issue 200 and more:

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/article/showquestion.asp?faq=12&fldAuto=323

Good stuff, I read it this morning. I am so glad that Carey is writing this title. He really seems fan friendly and really seems to care for the X teams. I can not remember a more fan friendly X writer. I am excited about this upcoming storyline and it is good to see that some of the characters that have been pushed aside might get dusted off. Sunspot would be awesome on a team (hope that happens) and it seems like they are getting a good game plan together. :yay:

[spark627]

Anyone pick up the new issue that came out today?

[Havok83]

No it's isn't a trick question. I just thought there was a male MM.
the 2 female Masterminds showed up about 6-7 years ago. Mastermind II (I believe it is) has black hair and was involved in the Dream's End crossover. Her name is Martinique. The other one is a blonde and she was introduced in X-treme X-men and went by the codename Lady Mastermind and her name is Regan. She is currently a member of the X-men cast. Both characters are half sisters and the daughters of the original Mastermind

Anyone pick up the new issue that came out today?I did. I will have to reread it bc I found it a bit confusing at times.

I did love that Regan had a leading presence in the issue. Karima is severely in need of characterization though. Again Bobby is not a blonde. I really wish that the cololorist would get this right once and for all

[emmymae]

I figure I'll wait for the TPB's to see which one I want and pick-up issue#200. Gambit's coming back in that issue.

Lady Mastermind's not so bad, though she seems to have bit of a grudge against Rogue.

Mike Carey is so nice and approachable. I've never felt that about an X-Writer. That he actually cares what fans think. And he thinks that Gambit is cool!:yay:

[AndThePickles]

only when Ramos draws

Ramos' art is just SUPER cartoon-y. Some of it I like, but other times it's just a bit much for me.

[Colossal Spoons]

Just read the lastest iddue. Pretty good. Bachalo's art didn't make me wanna die :up:

[JustABill]

I figure I'll wait for the TPB's to see which one I want and pick-up issue#200. Gambit's coming back in that issue.

Lady Mastermind's not so bad, though she seems to have bit of a grudge against Rogue.

Mike Carey is so nice and approachable. I've never felt that about an X-Writer. That he actually cares what fans think. And he thinks that Gambit is cool!:yay:
Is everything always about Gambit with you?

Now granted I loveee my fav characters, but at least I realize there are other characters who need attention. I've not seen one post by you that doesn't have the G word in it.

[Colossal Spoons]

Gambit, Iceman, and Storm have those kinds of fans around here.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

I want some Sunspot, myself.

[JustABill]

Gambit, Iceman, and Storm have those kinds of fans around here.
Hell, Storm is my second favorite X-Man, but I can at least make a post on the X Forum that doesn't bring Storm or Ororo into it.

Same goes for Kurt and Scott. I just had to call her out on that. She's entitled to love Gambit, but he always seems to come into her posts. Always. And it just buggeth me. It'd be the same if she was in love with Emma Frost or Cable or whoever. Felt, I needed to be justified in my calling out, before someone said ''But Bill, you've been pretty vocal about your distaste for all things Gambit!"

-rant over-