Official X-MEN: LEGACY Discussion Thread

[Valechan]

I hope Karima stays on the team. She's the only character I manage to care about besides Raven. The rest are useless :p

[aaron]

I hope Karima stays on the team. She's the only character I manage to care about besides Raven. The rest are useless :p

she's going to get killed by sabertooth. :(

[ProfeZZor X]

she's going to get killed by sabertooth. :(

It really makes no matter to me. I never really thought she added anything to the team. Much like Wendy, Marvin & Wonder Dog on that "Challenge of the Superfriends" television show back in the seventies/eighties.

[Havok83]

she's going to get killed by sabertooth. :(
is that a spoiler?

[Rogue's Hand]

Me too. Bobby and Prime Sentinel had to face Pandemic alone and failed. I wonder how he and Sam will be able to face an entire team of super powered killers... And survive.
Though I'm the Rogue fan, I will go on and say that I'm sure
Bobby will hand their behinds to them personally. Carey knows
Iceman fans are watching and they want to see him get busy again.
He will get his much needed shine in this issue.
And another thing I'm looking forward to is his situation w/ Mystique.
I don't think things are going to play out the way people think. :huh:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Huh.

Nice cover.

Too bad it's somewhat of a confirmation that the Astonishing crew will most likely have insanely ungrateful/inconsequential cameos in #200.

Cause apparently they don't get thrashed around enough in their own book. :woot:

Still, best cover for this book I've seen in a while. :woot:

[Specter313]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0704/15/xmen201.jpg


X-MEN #201
Written by MIKE CAREY
Pencils & Cover by HUMBERTO RAMOS
The Marauders' trap closes on the X-Men - from within and from without! But devastating though it is, this attack is only a move in a larger game - and the survivors of Rogue's team have to figure out what the objective is before they can have a prayer of fighting back...
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99

[Mogwai]

I like that pic of Iceman.

[Rogue's Hand]

I just read # 198 and I am dying to see what Iceman
& Cannonball are going to do!
I really like that they are showing Iceman in a much more
mature light! He got a lot of shine in this issue and seem
to be on point on knowing all the mission objectives as
opposed to being childish which he's known for.
Rogue finally awakens in # 199, she's on the cover.
I can't wait to see what's going to happen :huh:

[squeekness]

I like that pic of Iceman.Cannonball looks pretty sweet, too. :D

[Colossal Spoons]

I hope Karima stays on the team. She's the only character I manage to care about besides Raven. The rest are useless :p

Psh, you've got that 100% backwards lol.

Huh.

Nice cover.

Too bad it's somewhat of a confirmation that the Astonishing crew will most likely have insanely ungrateful/inconsequential cameos in #200.

Cause apparently they don't get thrashed around enough in their own book. :woot:

Still, best cover for this book I've seen in a while. :woot:

I need to see more of the Astonishing crew :mad:

[emmymae]

Maybe Iceman took a bit of a fashion tip from Gambit.:yay:

I'm waiting for issue #200 and I really want to know what happens to Rogue after she wakes up. Yeah, I'm a broken record but I'm dying to see Gambit again. He's been gone way too long.

It will be nice for Iceman to do more. I actually feel bad for Mystique being possessed by that Mummurudai creature. The X-peeps keep ending up between a rock and a hard place.

It's nice to see all the previews and issue summaries, so I know what's happening while I wait for the TPBs of the story arcs I like.:cwink: I have to keep the number of comics I have to a reasonable amount. Oh, you wonderful people who religiously buy the issues, and of more than one X-book. That's very admirable.:yay:

[OutcryX]

I like Karima..i hope she lives.....so if Iceman an Cannonball are the only two left...where are Cable and Rogue? As well as Msytique, Sabretooth, Karima and Lady M?

[anyjus]

Is Lady Mastermind dead? I have'nt recieved my issue yet.

[iamlegend]

Me too. Bobby and Prime Sentinel had to face Pandemic alone and failed. I wonder how he and Sam will be able to face an entire team of super powered killers... And survive.

I just hope it's not in a rather stupid of cliched way... As long as it makes sense I'll accept it, but I don't want some random crap.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Funny.

That's exactly how I see both x-crews - especially Astonshing - going down. :woot:

[emmymae]

I'm not sure where Rogue and Cable will have gone. When issue #200 comes out we'll know for sure what has happened to the team. Carey promised a change in the status quo. That could be scary, but he's an awesome writer, so I trust him. I hope the grand battle with the Marauders comes out gloriously. You can't keep the X-Men down.

I think Karima will be going elsewhere as will Mystique and Lady Mastermind. I think Sabertooth is going to die soon. It was hinted in the summary for an upcoming issue of the Wolverine series. The summary said one of them won't survive. That'll be Sabertooth because they're not going to kill the number one character.

I miss Psylocke. And I've really missed Gambit. And I'm worried about Rogue.

[Mogwai]

I need to see more of the Astonishing crew :mad:

Yeah, it's a shame they won't be in #200 because I feel they're the iconic, most poplular (arguably) characters.

[Valechan]

I think Karima has been greatly underdeveloped in this series. She is NOTHING like what Claremont wrote in Excalibur, where she was a very strong person who had a lot of spotlight. Here she is just wallpaper.

What I find sad is that X-Men no longer sells on the top 20 when before the Morrison da ys used to sell always at nro 2

[ProfeZZor X]

I think Karima has been greatly underdeveloped in this series. She is NOTHING like what Claremont wrote in Excalibur, where she was a very strong person who had a lot of spotlight. Here she is just wallpaper.

What I find sad is that X-Men no longer sells on the top 20 when before the Morrison da ys used to sell always at nro 2

I care about Karima like I care about a fly on poop... She adds absolutely NOTHING to this book. And the only thing she was handy for was to get the team to Pandemic's hideout. And even then she screwed that up with everyone being displaced in life threatening situations... So no. I am an official anti-Karima advocate.

Whoever created her (Claremont) can keep her and develop her in their own book... Just leave her out of Carey's. The same goes for Lady Mastermind... Phuey on her too.

[Valechan]

Well if Carey cannot truly develop a character, why choose it and use it in the first place?? He choose the characters. It's his fault if he knows not what to do with them afterwards (same goes for Brubaker with Lorna and Alex)

[Havok83]

Ive had problems with Karima for the getgo bc she is a PRIME SENTINEL. The fact that Claremont made her normal ruined her. She is a Sentinel and her mission is to kill mutants. Theres no deprogramming or turning back of the transformation process. I liked OZT and the new breed of sentinels they introduced and the rules about htem were pretty clear. I hated how CC made an exception with Karima. I think she could have worked well as a villian, but giving her a conscience and her mind back was a big mistake. She's a cyborg now and lost what made her unique and different

[Havok83]

Well if Carey cannot truly develop a character, why choose it and use it in the first place?? He choose the characters. It's his fault if he knows not what to do with them afterwards (same goes for Brubaker with Lorna and Alex)
I've read somewhere before Carey's run started that the reason why Karima is in the book is bc Bachalo loves to draw her, especially after he got to in the UXM HoM arc. That could explain why she's here and never adds anything to the story. I didnt beleive the artist really had much say in this but the more I think of it, the more I think this is true bc Carey does nothing with her, but Bachalo gets to draw her and he does it well

[Valechan]

ACtually there was a team of 5 Prime Sentinels who overrode Bastion's programming way back in Excalibur vol 1 123, and if you remember properly Mustang, the man who had befriended the X-Men in Wolverine 115-118, did turn against his programming in the end. So Bastion's process was hardly irreversible. LAdy Deathstrike also broke free in X-Men 2000 Annual...

I think it good be great for her to be a "good guy" for a while and then out of the blue turn against the X-Men. Just when everyone trusts her and loves her bang her programming starts and she kills them from within.

[Snikt 6]

Just read #198 and it was good. I personally like Bachalo so I loved the art, got a little sloppy at the end though. The story was good and you had to see that Sabertooth would play the spoiler sometime. Him cutting comms with the team serves them right. Who leaves Sabertooth in their getaway vehicle/ship/flying thing?

I feel sorry for Rouge. Seeing her just lifeless stinks.

I do like the fact that Cable is getting more face time. So I guess he will get his TK/Telepathy back...cool.

Bottom line: good stuff, but can't wait till issue #200!!!!

And to follow the thread - Karima is just - blah.

[Specter313]

I think Karima has been greatly underdeveloped in this series. She is NOTHING like what Claremont wrote in Excalibur, where she was a very strong person who had a lot of spotlight. Here she is just wallpaper.

What I find sad is that X-Men no longer sells on the top 20 when before the Morrison da ys used to sell always at nro 2

What Excalibur were you reading, because she hasn't gotten any more "spotlight" here than she did there.

And boo frickin hoo, one month they sell out of the top 20, it was #22 for those wondering who can see that it's a rather dumb number to complain about. Morrison is one of the most popular writers out there, so yeah, he's going to see more comics based on just his name rather than someone like Carey, who almost no one has heard of before this.

Ive had problems with Karima for the getgo bc she is a PRIME SENTINEL. The fact that Claremont made her normal ruined her. She is a Sentinel and her mission is to kill mutants. Theres no deprogramming or turning back of the transformation process. I liked OZT and the new breed of sentinels they introduced and the rules about htem were pretty clear. I hated how CC made an exception with Karima. I think she could have worked well as a villian, but giving her a conscience and her mind back was a big mistake. She's a cyborg now and lost what made her unique and different

She is also a HUMAN. So, unless they completely remove her brain, then she can easily be deprogrammed or go against her programming.

And I don't know why everyone is calling for Karima to bite it in #200, because Carey has clearly stated in interviews posted in this very thread that he has plans for her after that issue.

[Snikt 6]

^Karima is just so boring. I mean, cool powers, kinda, but no charactarization.

[spark627]

SPOILERS...


anyone else think Cable is gonna offer Rogue to the Mummudrai? This would heal her and give her powers to defeat the Hecatomb. I love this idea

[Specter313]

SPOILERS...


anyone else think Cable is gonna offer Rogue to the Mummudrai? This would heal her and give her powers to defeat the Hecatomb. I love this idea

How the heck would the Mummudrai heal her and give her powers to defeat the Hetacomb? If it couldn't do it before, nothing it could give her would defeat it now.

[spark627]

The mummdari told cable he could give him back his teleptahy and telekinesis. it could give rogue back her strength and flight... just a though

[emmymae]

It's a wonderful idea though I don't know if this Mummuradai would help her in that way. It's probably an empty promise that it can give people their powers back. It it could than all the depowered mutants on earth could have their powers back. Ms. Scarlett Witch caused almost all mutants on earth to lose their powers so she'd better fix it.

Karima's cool with me. It would be great for her to have a good part in the series. Maybe she could be part of a mutant protection force. It's interesting that she gets to be an X-Woman without being a mutant.

[Mike059jig]

Nice issue!!!!...the new enemy origin was great to read about...kind of reminds of the movie Event Horizon....

[Specter313]

The mummdari told cable he could give him back his teleptahy and telekinesis. it could give rogue back her strength and flight... just a though

Except those powers never were hers to begin with, so no, it can't.

[Generation Lee]

OK everyone realese that It may use the strain 88 in Rouge's cerebal cortex I think that's were it is at the mintue to infect the Hetacomb?

Oh I don't know maybe this is a guess since we got an explanation of what was happening with rouge. And you can bet there is a camera in her room so Cable can keep an eye on what is happening.

[Valechan]

What Excalibur were you reading, because she hasn't gotten any more "spotlight" here than she did there.


Excalibur vol 2, as in the Genoshan team with Charles and Magneto and Callisto. She was the one character that Claremont focused more outside the odd couple (Charles and Mags). Read the 14 issues again and check her appearences compared to the rest of the team.

[Snikt 6]

Except those powers never were hers to begin with, so no, it can't.

Very true, but maybe it can activate the Strain 88 to giver her all those powers.....

[Colossal Spoons]

Just read #198 - Sabretooth is an *******! lol I'm glad to see Cable getting back the old powers, I'm sure they'll be permanent too. I was getting tired of this infonet business.

[Havok83]

Except those powers never were hers to begin with, so no, it can't.
and why not? Cable's powers are attached to his DNA. Rogue's DNA was mixed with Ms Marvel when she perma-absorbed her, so its a valid conclusion that she still has the ability to tap into them with the right trigger

[ProfeZZor X]

If anyone can come up with a creative way of augmenting Rogue's powers, it's Mike Carey. So have no fear my friends... She is in good hands.

If anything, I can't wait until #201 comes out. Words can't express my enthusiasm for is issue, since Rogue's "Solid Gold" team members finally get a chance to show their stuff without ex-cons, machines, mind-manipulators and murderers.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Just read #198 - Sabretooth is an *******! lol

The good guys got off real easy on that one, actually. :woot:

[emmymae]

Cable got his powers back? That's great. I don't read the issues each month, my bad. I wonder how Rogue will be when she wakes up. Yes, she has the residue of everyone she has absorbed, so she might be able to conjure some of their powers once again, along with the Miss Marvel ones. But of course not chaoticly manifesting as they did several years back.

I can't wait to see Gambit again. The wait has been killing me.

[Snikt 6]

If anyone can come up with a creative way of augmenting Rogue's powers, it's Mike Carey. So have no fear my friends... She is in good hands.

If anything, I can't wait until #201 comes out. Words can't express my enthusiasm for is issue, since Rogue's "Solid Gold" team members finally get a chance to show their stuff without ex-cons, machines, mind-manipulators and murderers.

Totally agree! Mike will take care of Rogue. I am also excited for 200-201 gonna be good!

[Colossal Spoons]

Cable, Karima, and Sage need to determine who the living computer of the X-Men is once and for all :o

[Snikt 6]

^My bet is Sage. She rocks. Cable is still more man than machine (thank goodness he is getting his original powers back!!!!) and Karima is, well, a kinda cool robot/woman thang.

[Colossal Spoons]

Cable was like a walking Google back when he really used his infonet powers. lol

[Snikt 6]

^Yep, pretty sad. Gonna be nice to see Nate back in action.....

[emmymae]

Yeah. I got to know Sage from the X-Treme X-Men TPB that I got and I'd like to see more of her. Karima can stay; she can be their pet robot. (:

[Snikt 6]

Yeah. I got to know Sage from the X-Treme X-Men TPB that I got and I'd like to see more of her. Karima can stay; she can be their pet robot. (:

Ha, "Sit Karima, sit....good girl".

[iamlegend]

Eh. Cable's character never really thrilled me. I just felt like there were so many different possible storylines for him that were never really followed through on. I'd be happy if he's gone soon.

Of course, I'd rather just have most of this current team go. Sabretooth, Mystique, Karima, Lady Mastermind, and Co. have no place on any of the team's in my mind... Hell, two of 'em make better villains than "heroes" anyway.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Mmmm... Not sure I've said it in words so blunt - well, recently anyway -, but that last post just reminded me of how much Carey's crew just flat out sucks. :woot:

[bengan]

I love his team :D

[Valechan]

Mmmm... Not sure I've said it in words so blunt - well, recently anyway -, but that last post just reminded me of how much Carey's crew just flat out sucks. :woot:

I wouldn't say sucks, I'd say fanfic(y). The team just looks like it was handpicked for a fanfic and not for canon. That's why it's weird. However this team has better dinamics than say, the Uncanny team, so I kinda like it. I enjoyed the first story very much. The second one was a major let down. I'm getting 197 today so I hope it's a better one :D

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I wouldn't say sucks, I'd say fanfic(y). The team just looks like it was handpicked for a fanfic and not for canon. That's why it's weird. However this team has better dinamics than say, the Uncanny team, so I kinda like it.

Wait, there's anything resembling actual team dynamics in Ed's Shiar' arc??

Thought it was just a bunch of people randomly picked to go off into space on some mission - which nobody cares about - only to have a few not come back just for the hell of shock value. :woot:


I enjoyed the first story very much. The second one was a major let down. I'm getting 197 today so I hope it's a better one :D

Not really. :woot:

Sole bright spot with the last issue was how that *INSANE* Creed thingy finally bit them in the a$$.

[emmymae]

Carey's crew does not suck. It's very unique and out-of-the-box. I like the line-up because it's unlike any previous X-Men team incarnation, with all the former villains. Carey is a breath of fresh air as an X-writer and is trying some new and different things. Out of the box may not be for you, seeing as you are a Cyclops fan.:cwink:

[JustABill]

Uhhhmmmm...let's not insult people's fandoms.

And have you never read a X Comic before? Villains have been on the X-Team for years. Half of the current main good guys on the X Team have been villains.

Rogue, Mystique, Sabretooth (they've been on X Team's before), Juggernaut (same), Emma. The list continues on...villains on the X Teams is not a fresh and exciting idea that Carey created.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Carey's crew does not suck. It's very unique and out-of-the-box. I like the line-up because it's unlike any previous X-Men team incarnation, with all the former villains. Carey is a breath of fresh air as an X-writer and is trying some new and different things. Out of the box may not be for you, seeing as you are a Cyclops fan.:cwink:

Sweetie, it's not nice to pretend your motives for liking it so much have nothing to do with them taking orders from Rogue. :woot:

Uhhhmmmm...let's not insult people's fandoms.

We were? If you're refering to my 'Carey's crew sucks' comment, I was just saying his team has a definite 'WTF' quality to it. :woot:

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

one thing I can say about the team, It's interesting.

[JustABill]

No, Darth. I was referring to where Emmy was saying out of the box may not be for a Cyclops fan.

[emmymae]

I went too far I admit in insulting his fav, but it was fun, sugah. Yes, Darth, I do love the team partly because Rogue is the leader. I wasn't pretending I didn't have that reason. And of course former villains on X-teams isn't something new. It's just the people Carey chose and story elements and the writing style. I read the comics for a year and a half, 1994-95, and I just jumped back in. I have also researched the profiles on UncannyXmen.net. I don't try to make assertions without having proper knowledge of what I'm talking about.

Guess what, I didn't mention Gambit did I?

[Snikt 6]

^Rogue is the best thing about the team for me. She is awesome and I love her in a leadership role. I do like Bobby and can put up with Lady Mastermind. I have never liked Cannonball and Karima, as I have said before, is just blah. Mystique gives them edge and Sabertooth is giving them headaches. I liked reading about this team, but it is time to move on. I am excited for a fresh start around issue #200.

[emmymae]

It's going to be exciting. Rogue is the best part of the team for me too, she keeps them centered. In the current comic situation with Decimation and all, she is one of the characters best equipped to handle it. She knows how to take risks and improvise, two very important skills in the mad world the X-Men have found themselves in. I'm anxious to see how things with Gambit will play out (ha, ha gambling reference) and where he'll end up.

[Snikt 6]

^I am sure Carey will keep him around on this book. Curious to see what role he will play - good or bad. Rogue has become my favorite X-Woman and I just hope that Carey will keep up the pace he has started.

[ProfeZZor X]

Previews for X-Men #199:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10462

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/XMN199pg02.jpg
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/XMN199pg15.jpg
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/XMN199pg19.jpg
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/XMN199pg05.jpg

[bengan]

that is...AWSOME! Why dont everybody love Bachalo? :P

[El Bastardo]

Because of stuff like in the first image. Other artists do the same thing, but cleaner. And I'm sure they could come up with a better way to signify being possessed by a space monster than using watercolor blue lines, but that's just me. :oldrazz:

[usagicassidy]

Yeah, sometimes I don't know what's going on, but I read and re-read it anyways because it is that good.

[Mike059jig]

Man the art is great...especially the first page last panel....

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

THe art will always be Hit/miss with me.

[Havok83]

Hate teh Mystique, Iceman stuff

[Snikt 6]

You GOTTA love Bachalo!!!!!! That is just wonderful art. I loved the Rouge...gonna be good! You know, I'm not to hot on Mystique and Iceman either....but I trust that Carey will do something super cool with it.

[ProfeZZor X]

^ More than likely Mystique will either betray Iceman, by reminding him not to let his guard down, with him in some vulnerable situation (during love making), or she'll just break things off harshly, giving him a reality check as to who she really is (personality).

[Colossal Spoons]

Man the art is great...especially the first page last panel....

Couldn't disagree more lol

[Rogue's Hand]

OMG!! She has risen :wow:
I can't wait to see what Rogue is going to do.
I'm also still having a hard time trusting the whole Mystique & Bobby thing.
There is something that isn't right. Hopefully it will happen in issue # 200.
I wonder what's gonna happen w/ Rogue being infected w/ strain 88
and now being posessed by that thing? Maybe the reason it got inside
Rogue was to give her strength during battle. She would've been the only
weak X-member! I dunno I'm confused, LOL
The suspense towards #200 is killing me :woot:

[emmymae]

Rogue looks demonic. Poor thing. The Iceman/Mystique we're-gonna-die kiss is fabulous. Of course she is 80 years old, so that makes their romance kinda gross. It strangely reminds me of the kiss Gambit and Rogue shared when the crystal wave passed over. Waaah! Seeing Rogue in all that flame reminded me somewhat of Phoenix. I wonder what will happen to Rogue to seeing as she's been infected and is now possessed by the Mummuradai, is that right? Crazy times indeed.

[Mike059jig]

Couldn't disagree more lolThe Hetacomb look great!!!!

[Colossal Spoons]

It looks like melted crayons lol

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Is it bad to say that out of the core 3 x-books, I like this the most? I know I rip on it a lot, if not more than astonishing, even though this is mostly confusing, it's a good confusing? It also feels it has nowhere to go, but it keeps going.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Is it bad to say that out of the core 3 x-books, I like this the most?

Not quire. I may totally disagree - in a WTF capacity, actually - , but at least you're not saying your fav at the moment is UXM. So it's all good, homie. :woot:


It also feels it has nowhere to go, but it keeps going.

I refer to it as Carey being really enthusiastic.

The exact reason why I'm not that thrilled about his run since I think he's more of an *enthusiast* storyteller than a *great* one.

But yeah, you totally get the vibe he enjoys the f**k out of his run and I suppose it can be contagious for some. *shrugs*

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Did you just call me homie? Homeslice would feel more right.:o

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Did you just call me homie? Homeslice would feel more right.:o

Thought it would be funny, what with the avatar and all. :woot:

[emmymae]

Double post, again. Why me?

[emmymae]

I refer to it as Carey being really enthusiastic.

The exact reason why I'm not that thrilled about his run since I think he's more of an *enthusiast* storyteller than a *great* one.

But yeah, you totally get the vibe he enjoys the f**k out of his run and I suppose it can be contagious for some. *shrugs*

Carey did get saddled with some crummy situations comic-wise that he needed to fix from the past run, and has to remedy some stuff (i.e. Gambit, Decimation.) It's good to enjoy your work; and I think when a writer enjoys the run, they'll do a much better than if they didn't. I happen to be a writer myself (not comics, plays and poetry.)

What Carey has done for Rogue is awesome. He's made her viable again. I'm looking forward to how Gambit will fit in and what's next for Rogue in her situation. Pardon the Romy obsession.:heart:

[aaron]

hopefully when they do eventually hook up again, they won't be all over each other and soppy and stuff and they will still have independence.

[El Bastardo]

It looks like melted crayons lol

:woot: I second this notion. :woot:

[Canemacar]

hopefully when they do eventually hook up again, they won't be all over each other and soppy and stuff and they will still have independence.

I'm hoping we can forgo the eventual make-up and keep them apart indefinitely. Or better yet: as enemies.

[aaron]

I'm hoping we can forgo the eventual make-up and keep them apart indefinitely. Or better yet: as enemies.

actually i wanna see remy get with lady m :p

hot stuff there!

[Snikt 6]

^Still think Astonishing is the best, but X-Men is a very close second.

[emmymae]

I'm hoping we can forgo the eventual make-up and keep them apart indefinitely. Or better yet: as enemies.

Oh, no you don't.:cwink: Gambit has got to leave the dark side. I know it belongs in the character threads but I have to say Romy is here to stay, after the break-up period ends. Remy is unfortunately still evil. Of course Rogue is currently possessed. They can have a functional relationship. They really are a perfect pairing. There's no better place for them than in each other's arms.:heart: And now, the onslaught of disagreement will commence, I know.:csad:

[Mogwai]

^Still think Astonishing is the best, but X-Men is a very close second.

those are my thoughts too.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Just for the record...

Am I the only one going WTF?? over the whole Iceman/Mystique thing???

[@JeanGrey]

Just for the record...

Am I the only one going WTF?? over the whole Iceman/Mystique thing???

Come on, it has been on betting for months now :woot:

[Generation Lee]

Love the preview but still hate the art. I'm wondering if the colourist/inker is to blame for the confusion as well.

[aaron]

dude! the art is beautiful so be quiet! :p

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Come on, it has been on betting for months now :woot:

Well, I *know* that.

I meant WTF in a 'OMG, they're actually going for it!!!???'

Never occured to me they were *that* serious about it or that they entertained any thought of said "romance" make any sense in any whatsoever relevant way... :wow:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

dude! the art is beautiful so be quiet! :p

Please. They look like goddamn KIDS. :woot:

[Snikt 6]

^Not quite with Carey on the whole Iceman/Mystique thing either. Made sense for Mystique to try and set up Bobby and Rogue...but her going for the kill? Not cool.

[El Bastardo]

^Not quite with Carey on the whole Iceman/Mystique thing either. Made sense for Mystique to try and set up Bobby and Rogue...but her going for the kill? Not cool.

Why not? C'mon, even uber-old shapeshifting women need a little somethin'-somethin'. Where's the equal opportunity here?

[usagicassidy]

I LOVE it! Bring on more Bobby/Raven!

[Rogue's Hand]

I think we are being misled by the whole Bobby & Raven thing.
I have a feeling there is something we just aren't seeing :huh:

[Coldqueen]

...*shakes head* ROFL.

The Bobby/Raven thing amuses the crap out me. What man wouldn't date a WOMAN WHO CAN BECOME ANYTHING SHE OR HE DREAMS UP...including...other women AND other men if you swing that way.

WHO WOULD TURN HER DOWN?

...though most would find it hard to ignore the "she might kill me" thing.

I love the current X-Men comics. I say PSSHT to all naysayers.

[Colossal Spoons]

...*shakes head* ROFL.

The Bobby/Raven thing amuses the crap out me. What man wouldn't date a WOMAN WHO CAN BECOME ANYTHING SHE OR HE DREAMS UP...including...other women AND other men if you swing that way.

WHO WOULD TURN HER DOWN?

...though most would find it hard to ignore the "she might kill me" thing.

I love the current X-Men comics. I say PSSHT to all naysayers.

Any man who values personality and um......the chick not being EVIL!!!!!

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Hell, I'd do Raven.

[emmymae]

Yeah, it's really strange that Iceman is going for Mystique. I'd never have imagined that happening. She's old enough to be his grandmother. He needs a nice girl. I guess if he can't have Polaris, it's Mystique.:cwink:

The characters do look like dolls, but they're really cute. Actually, on Deviant Art.com there is a manga-style drawing of the X-Men in a family picture. You guys should check it out. I can't remember what the title of the picture is, unfortunately.

[04nbod]

dear lord- iceman/mystique-I guess i can't delude myself that carey is going to turn that storyline on its head now:(

[AndThePickles]

Yeah, it's really strange that Iceman is going for Mystique. I'd never have imagined that happening. She's old enough to be his grandmother. He needs a nice girl. I guess if he can't have Polaris, it's Mystique.:cwink:

The characters do look like dolls, but they're really cute. Actually, on Deviant Art.com there is a manga-style drawing of the X-Men in a family picture. You guys should check it out. I can't remember what the title of the picture is, unfortunately.

Writers never really seem to address the fact that Mystique is indeed OLD. She doesn't age physically so I guess her looking young is all that matters? Kinda shallow/weird.

I really like the art, although it does get quite confusing at times.

[Havok83]

dear lord- iceman/mystique-I guess i can't delude myself that carey is going to turn that storyline on its head now:(
I keep hoping he doesnt go there. Hopefully the pics are misleading

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Mystique going for a "we're gonna die so might as well go for it" kiss...

Just... NO. :csad:

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

For you guys it's "no", but it's helping me be kept interested.

[El Bastardo]

^ I'm not sure if I'd say it's one of the things keeping me interested (as it's more background than the immediate foreground in the title), but it's not something I mind.

Just think, guys! Better than Bobby kissing Husk! That'd probably make Angel AND Cannonball angry, and we know what that's called... that's right: giiiiirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrama.

[Coldqueen]

...Wolverine for all we know is older than GOD yet he hooked up with several people. We know for a fact he's old enough to be Jean's grandfather...

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Just for the record, my gripes would the pairing don't have so much to do with Mystique's age as, let's say, the fact that she's a f****n nutjob. :woot:

And you know what, I would've expected Mystique to go for someone that's more old school/rougher around the edges. Oh well.

[Coldqueen]

...I resent that. I happen to IDENTIFY with Mystique...

ROFL. JK.

Hey...Bobby can be plenty down and dirty. Remember that little love triangle between him, Lorna, and Alex? He got pretty lowdown in that. I think Mystique is attracted to the SECRET bad guy that lurks under his icy skin.

ROFL. Though, HONESTLY, I was very partial to the Mystique/Forge relationship.

[Havok83]

I dont care about the age either bc Bobby is well past the legal age limit. I just dont see what she would see in him and vice versa

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Wanna-be bad boy DOES NOT qualify as old school. :woot:

[psylockolussus]

I love X-MEN!

[Coldqueen]

...that's nice.

Hey, old school don't count for nothing these days. Marvel don't give a DAMN about old school. They're too caught up in turning their comics into illustrated romance novels with an occasional death/adventure thrown in.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Hey, old school don't count for nothing these days. Marvel don't give a DAMN about old school.

Which is a sshame. And incidently the reason why AXM's the only comic I dig that much. :woot:

They're too caught up in turning their comics into illustrated romance novels with an occasional death/adventure thrown in.

Comic books have ALWAYS been soap-operas with fights in-between the talking. ALWAYS. :woot:

[Canemacar]

Apparently Mystique can't help but try and sleep with all of Rogue's close friends/lovers. :whatever:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Does sound rather creepy when put that way, doesn't it? :woot:

[Snikt 6]

I dont care about the age either bc Bobby is well past the legal age limit. I just dont see what she would see in him and vice versa

Totally agree, Bobby and Mystique have both been around....I just would rather they wouldnt be around each other.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

I rather see where it goes before I put my final judgement. I don't trust Carey, but he hasn't really disappointed me with his writing.

[aaron]

lol why don't you trust him?

feel like he's hiding something? like umm government secrets? :p

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

No, It's just that I don't feel that this book is all that and a bag of chips like a lot of other people do. He hasn't done anything, I don't know the word, but it's just not that great. It's not bad, the art can fudge it up at time, Rogue, at one point, got focused on way too much. Leader or not, I do care about the other characters. I do want to see where he's going with this story. And I want some damn Northstar...!*coughtokengaycharactercough* :woot:

[aaron]

well most people are impressed with what he's done so far, but i think you'll see just how good he's doing with the title by 200 going into the further issues.

[Coldqueen]

...hey...Mystique can't help it if Rogue has good taste.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

well most people are impressed with what he's done so far, but i think you'll see just how good he's doing with the title by 200 going into the further issues.
I already said that even though I rag on this book a lot, it's the X-book I'm more interested in (Out of Uncanny, Astonishing.) X-factor will always be 1, and New X-men will either tie it or be 2.

[emmymae]

I guess Mystique getting involved with everyone close to Rogue is one way to get under her skin. It's like, 'Mama, when ya gonna stop meddlin.' I strangely never thought of Iceman as a secret bad boy, but then again I missed 11 years of the comic.

I don't mind having a strong focus on Rogue. She's one of the reasons I have gotten through this hard period of Gambitlessness. I love her as much as Gambit. If both of them weren't in the books, I wouldn't have a reason to read. *Gets ready for serious fan onslaught*

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

No, It's just that I don't feel that this book is all that and a bag of chips like a lot of other people do. He hasn't done anything, I don't know the word, but it's just not that great.

Seconded. Only I'd be somewhat harsher. :woot:

I'll say it again, HE's hyped about #200. And he's been pretty damn hyped too about what he's done so far, which just wasn't THAT good.

There's really *really* no reason yet to believe #200 will be the be-all-end-all of modern era X-Men. Geez. :whatever:

[Canemacar]

I think part of the reason his run has been so well recieved and the critics have gone so easy on him is because of how he uses continuity instead of ignoring it, respects the fans instead of deriding them, and seems to care more about the franchise he's working with than his own ego. I know thats all part of why I like him so much. He's like a breath of fresh air in an industry full of egotistical jerks who spend more effort trying to come off as edgy and cool than actually writing good stories that fit into continuity.

[emmymae]

Yeah, CanCan, Mike Carey is cool because of that. He cares what the readers think. I've never heard of a comic writer that was so accessible.

Well, Darth, I guess that means they'll be plenty of copies of #200 left for me. :cwink:

[Coldqueen]

Oh, HA...Emmy called Canemacar "CanCan". LOL. That's awesome. It's catching on.

The word you're looking for COMICBOY is tepid. It's a tepid comicbook.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Tepid. That can sum it up perfectly. Thank you.

[Snikt 6]

Yeah, CanCan, Mike Carey is cool because of that. He cares what the readers think. I've never heard of a comic writer that was so accessible.

Well, Darth, I guess that means they'll be plenty of copies of #200 left for me. :cwink:

Gotta agree with Em's on this one. I have been a Marvel dude for awhile and Carey is just awesome when it comes to accessability.

I am so psyced about #200.....maybe because its going to be something different rather than the same ... old... stuff...

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, I'm still psyched for issue #200. It's about time there was a shake-up in the X-world that didn't simply result in a roster change.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Do we even have any idea of what said "shake up" will consist of?

So far we know the X-Men are gonna get their asses kicked and that's about it.

[Canemacar]

Well, of Carey's planned "core" team members (Rogue, Sam, and Bobby), only two will be remaining. Also, Sabertooth, Karima, Lady M, and Cable are confirmed to not be on the team anymore.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Yeah, but that's a team shake-up. Some posters seem to think the events taking place in #200 will change the face of the whole 616-verse or something. :woot:

And I knew about Bobby and Sam stealing the show in #201. Weren't you there when I commented on the Astonishing crew' - most likely - embarassing cameos? :woot:

[OutcryX]

Well, of Carey's planned "core" team members (Rogue, Sam, and Bobby), only two will be remaining. Also, Sabertooth, Karima, Lady M, and Cable are confirmed to not be on the team anymore.


...no mention of Mystique..hmmm

sucks that Karima wont be around...the rest, especially Cable, I could care less about

[Canemacar]

...no mention of Mystique..hmm

On a recent ad in Astonishing, Mystique was framed by herself next to some text that talked about an imminent death....

[Coldqueen]

OOOH, how HORRIBLE...*sarcasm*

...no mention of Rogue? This disturbs me a great deal.

[Canemacar]

...no mention of Rogue? This disturbs me a great deal.

Don't tease me like that Queen. I don't want to get my hopes up about something horrible happening to Rogue.

[Specter313]

On a recent ad in Astonishing, Mystique was framed by herself next to some text that talked about an imminent death....

It said "Extinction begins with a single death." And that would be the death that opens up the Endangered Species one shot, which Carey already talked about and said that it wouldn't be anyone major, so no, there's nothing saying she dies.

[Specter313]

...no mention of Mystique..hmmm

sucks that Karima wont be around...the rest, especially Cable, I could care less about

Carey has said he has plans for Karima post issue 200, so don't fret yet.

[Canemacar]

Carey has said he has plans for Karima post issue 200, so don't fret yet.

Yes, he said he wants to find a way to keep her and Lady M involved, but they won't be on the team.

[Coldqueen]

CanCan...you're such a *****.

[Canemacar]

I try. :cwink:

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, but that's a team shake-up. Some posters seem to think the events taking place in #200 will change the face of the whole 616-verse or something. :woot:

I don't think that at all, I'm done getting set up and then dropped on my ass by events.

[Coldqueen]

We better be good, CanCan, or Colossal Spoons will accuse us of flirting...

[Canemacar]

Hey, you flirted with me first!





Ok, I'm done. :woot:

[emmymae]

Carey did say he was changing the status quo. CanCan, Rogue's had enough stuff happen to her. I'm so excited about Gambit coming back; I might just pass out in the comic store.:yay:

[Colossal Spoons]

We better be good, CanCan, or Colossal Spoons will accuse us of flirting...

Hey, you flirted with me first!





Ok, I'm done. :woot:

Can't leave this thread for 2 damn seconds! :p

[Mogwai]

Yeah, I'm still psyched for issue #200. It's about time there was a shake-up in the X-world that didn't simply result in a roster change.

me too.

but why do x-men have to die?

[Coldqueen]

...any mention of ROMY makes CanCan projectile vomit...

But I'm excited too. If they kill/write/anything-off Rogue...this is not a happy camper.

[Colossal Spoons]

Marvel thinks we like to see death...and judging by the sales of the last Captain America issue, they're right :(

[Coldqueen]

Damnit, Colossal Spoons...

I do not flirt with the spawn of Satan!!!

[Canemacar]

Damnit, Colossal Spoons...

I do not flirt with the spawn of Satan!!!

I resent that!

Satan's my second cousin, not my father.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

And on a totally unrelated note, Satan happens to be my bastard child.

*cough*

[Coldqueen]

And I thought comic families were twisty.

(What does this make me?)

[Canemacar]

And I thought comic families were twisty.

(What does this make me?)

An evil *****?


*ducks*


:oldrazz:

[Coldqueen]

...I can accept that.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Seconded. :woot:

[Coldqueen]

...y'all are so mean to me tonight.

I do not feel the love.

[Canemacar]

...y'all are so mean to me tonight.

I do not feel the love.

Says the one who called me the spawn of Satan. :whatever:

[Colossal Spoons]

That's a compliment :huh:

[Coldqueen]

...and it seems only you and I know it.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

...y'all are so mean to me tonight.

I do not feel the love.

Wait, didn't you refer to me as part-time INSANE minutes after posting this??? :woot:

[Coldqueen]

...snark is my way of showing love.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Dear God. That means we're practically married, doesn't it? :wow:

[Colossal Spoons]

Haha, I snark you guys and gals. :heart:

[Coldqueen]

...I could never marry anyone with "Cyclops" in their name...

That's just setting up for some major drama.

[Coldqueen]

Haha, I snark you guys and gals. :heart:

Now who's flirting up the thread?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

...I could never marry anyone with "Cyclops" in their name...

That's just setting up for some major drama.

Well, it *would* be an ironically fitting tribute to your two favorite characters.

You know, the whole 'no chance it'll work out in a million years' thingy. :woot:

[Coldqueen]

I'm coldqueen.

Anything I put my mind to will work.

I'm just saying...

You'd end up maimed...but you'd love every second of it.

PS Aww, look! You didn't make a typo once! I guess you're getting the hang of typing with one hand.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Oh dear.

Do I even want to know what you think I'm doing with the other hand? :wow:

[Coldqueen]

...well...

CanCan is pretty sexy when he's in a snit.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

*sigh*

Can is NOT my girlfriend. :woot:

[Coldqueen]

...in reality...in your imagination, however...

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

*sigh*

Here we go again... :woot:

What IS IT with broads and slash???? :woot:

[Colossal Spoons]

Now who's flirting up the thread?

You still :o

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

And on a totally unrelated note, Satan happens to be my bastard child.

*cough*
I... can totally believe that... :woot:

[Canemacar]

What IS IT with broads and slash???? :woot:

I have absolutely no idea.

*goes to watch lesbian porn*

[@JeanGrey]

God i leave you alone a couple of days and you turn this thread into gossip delirium...

Ts ts ts!

What are PMs for???

So what did i miss? Fill me up people:oldrazz::woot::rolleyes:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Mmmm.

I think I was saying I wasn't as hyped as Carey was over #200 because his run, no matter how enthusiast and friendly the guy is, just isn't that great.

Queenie suggested the term "tepid" to describe the book. Good call imo. :woot:

[Colossal Spoons]

....and we're all caught up lol

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Oh, almost forgot...

Some of us - mostly guys, it would seem - commented on how we weren't exactly thrilled by the whole Mystique/Bobby thing. "WTF" would sum it up, really. :woot:

But that was days ago, wasn't it?? Hard to keep track with our Thread Derailing Crew Extraordinaire. :woot:

P.S. And yes, I'm a part-time card-carrying member. :woot:

[Colossal Spoons]

Part time my ass, Flirtzilla!

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Go track my posts. You'll notice I often post something along the lines of "and to put things back on topic"...

Thus the part-time thingy. :oldrazz:

Oh, and Flirtzilla??? LOL.

At least keep up and go for that "Satan's Old Man" thingy I've got going on. :woot:

[MattXG]

They don't release this book in TPB? :huh:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Dunno. Are sales good enough to even bother??

[@JeanGrey]

Thank you Darth
Actually why don't you like X-Men, it's one of the good books around

About Bobby/Mystique thing, i think that maybe Bobby is faking his attraction
We always think that Mystique is the plot-lover, but why not Bobby trying to infiltrate anything under Rogue's instructions? We know she doesn't trust Mystique.

Personally i never thought we would have a Rogue/Bobby relationship in 616 universe. The crap in movies and Ultimate is enough for me...

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Actually why don't you like X-Men, it's one of the good books around

I don't like it *that much*. :woot:

The book's fine, just not that great. It's just that people go real easy on Carey because he's so goddamn enthusiastic and nice all around. :woot:


About Bobby/Mystique thing, i think that maybe Bobby is faking his attraction We always think that Mystique is the plot-lover, but why not Bobby trying to infiltrate anything under Rogue's instructions? We know she doesn't trust Mystique.

Considering how well turned out the Creed thingy, this might be giving Rogue too much credit right now. :huh:

[OutcryX]

I don't like it *that much*. :woot:

The book's fine, just not that great. It's just that people go real easy on Carey because he's so goddamn enthusiastic and nice all around. :woot:



Considering how well turned out the Creed thingy, this might be giving Rogue too much credit right now. :huh:


So then what is needed to make it a 'great' book, by your standards? just wondering

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Good stories, good dialogue, all characters treated somewhat fairly and a nod to the old school. :woot:

Note that the book having *clever* written all over it can make up for lacking one of the aforementioned criterias. :woot:

Oh, and good art is a much appreciated bonus. :woot:

[emmymae]

What makes a story good is all basically a matter of opinion. Carey has more than enthusiasm going for him. Rogue is a risk-taker, but not as crazy as Gambit mind you, and we have yet to see how all her plans and instructions will pan out. She's sure to come out on top; she's a tough girl alright, despite the desperate situation she finds herself in now.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Rogue is a risk-taker, but not as crazy as Gambit mind you, and we have yet to see how all her plans and instructions will pan out. She's sure to come out on top; she's a tough girl alright, despite the desperate situation she finds herself in now.

Still not quite convinced.

A semi-failure would be an appropriate and fitting turn of even considering that much hyped "bad year" ahead. *shrugs*

[Canemacar]

Rogue is a risk-taker, but not as crazy as Gambit mind you,

Rogue's the crazy one. Gambit is the more laid-back and patient of the two. Rogue's strategy is just charge on in; Gambit prefers to know whats going on and prepare a trump card before moving in.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Thus the whole 'me being somewhat sceptical at the notion of her having an ace up her sleeve that doesn't reek of convenient plot device' thingy.

[Canemacar]

Thus the whole 'me being somewhat sceptical at the notion of her having an ace up her sleeve that doesn't reek of convenient plot device' thingy.

I've been skeptical of her being a leader since the beginning. Rogue is highly emotional, rash, definitely the "leap before you look" type, and not exactly prone to over-thinking the situation. Besides, Cannonball and Cable are both more qualified to leader. Sorry, but Rogue being in charge reeks of writer's pet character to me.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Totally. Duh. :woot:

Hell, of all major x-women, she's the very last I would've considered for the job. Emotionally unstable much, anyone??? :woot:

[Colossal Spoons]

Eh, can't see Cannonball leading. He lead for a little while back in X-Treme and I wasn't feelin it. Cable should lead.

[Specter313]

I've been skeptical of her being a leader since the beginning. Rogue is highly emotional, rash, definitely the "leap before you look" type, and not exactly prone to over-thinking the situation. Besides, Cannonball and Cable are both more qualified to leader. Sorry, but Rogue being in charge reeks of writer's pet character to me.

You make it sound as if she's never been a leader before, but she was a rather successful leader for a period of time a while ago:

About six months later, Rogue was elected the new field leader for one X-Men squad. Other members that had filled the position before were either busy with the other team or unavailable for other reasons. Among those still at the mansion, Rogue was the only one with the needed experience, skill and attention to take the job. [X-Men (2nd series) #103] She successfully led the X-Men against the Crimson Pirates, the Goth and the Neo and proved herself to have a good instinct for making hard and risky decisions. Her style varied a lot from Storm’s or Cyclops‘, who usually chose to play it safe.


http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=56&page=7

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Agreed the Cable scenario would've made the most sense.

Bobby and Sam might have experience, but... nah.

[Canemacar]

You make it sound as if she's never been a leader before, but she was a rather successful leader for a period of time a while ago:



http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=56&page=7

She led for all of 5 minutes and nearly got them all killed.

[Specter313]

Eh, can't see Cannonball leading. He lead for a little while back in X-Treme and I wasn't feelin it. Cable should lead.

But Cable doesn't take them seriously as his main team. He did say that he was "just along for the ride" or some sort at one point, and there shouldn't be a leader who isn't going to make them his top priority. Rogue may be rash, but she does tend to make the right decisions in high pressure situations, and she makes the X-Men her biggest priority all the time.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

*snorts*

They're saying that as if playing it *safe* was a *bad* thing, lol.

[Havok83]

Totally. Duh. :woot:

Hell, of all major x-women, she's the very last I would've considered for the job. Emotionally unstable much, anyone??? :woot:
Rogue is the last I would have chosen as well but Carey surprisngly makes it work. She is great as leader

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Am not saying it doesn't work at all. She's mostly doing fine. Just feels a bit forced.

Go back ten years and try to remember how many people would've seriously taken the notion of her being a full-time leader. Eh. *shrugs*

I buy the 'practice makes better' thingy, but it does seem some sort of 'natural leader's untapped potential' scenario is slowly but surely shoved down our throats. *shrugs*

[Colossal Spoons]

But Cable doesn't take them seriously as his main team. He did say that he was "just along for the ride" or some sort at one point, and there shouldn't be a leader who isn't going to make them his top priority. Rogue may be rash, but she does tend to make the right decisions in high pressure situations, and she makes the X-Men her biggest priority all the time.

Yeah, he did seem all nonchalant about it :(

[Havok83]

Am not saying it doesn't work at all. She's mostly doing fine. Just feels a bit forced.

Go back ten years and try to remember how many people would've seriously taken the notion of her being a full-time leader. Eh. *shrugs*

I buy the 'practice makes better' thingy, but it does seem some sort of 'natural leader's untapped potential' scenario is slowly but surely shoved down our throats. *shrugs*
lol..no need to go back that far. Hell a year ago I wouldnt take the notion of her being leader seriously

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Was just being polite, actually.

I'm still not sold 100% on the whole thing.

[Valechan]

I liked X-Men 103, when she fought Logan for leadership, but she hasn't really done anything good as a leader like... ever. She sorta fell apart after Maximum Security and returned to her simple "grunt" role. Now she's been given a chance, I just hope she starts doing things better than in X-Men 197-199.

Wow... it's already been 94 issues since those "Revolution" days... boy did I hate it when it came out...

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I liked X-Men 103, when she fought Logan for leadership, but she hasn't really done anything good as a leader like... ever.

Eh.

Now she's been given a chance, I just hope she starts doing things better than in X-Men 197-199.

Well, Emmymae sure seems to think it's a given. A few of us aren't as optimistics.

[Coldqueen]

I'm so not getting into the Rogue-as-a-leader conversation.

[Canemacar]

I'm so not getting into the Rogue-as-a-leader conversation.

Cause even you know she has no business leading a team.

[Logan]

I can't see how Rogu being a team leader is so annoying to you guys

I think its great that rogue is a team leader, its a big change and a very good one. People who don't like Rogue being a leader are afraid of change

[spark627]

Of all the X-Men available, Rogue is the best suited for leader. She was appointed before Cable showed up, so that explains why he isn't leading. True, Rogue is emotional but she is also a quick thinker and acts on impulse, which is why Cyclops chose her.

[Canemacar]

Of all the X-Men available, Rogue is the best suited for leader. She was appointed before Cable showed up, so that explains why he isn't leading. True, Rogue is emotional but she is also a quick thinker and acts on impulse, which is why Cyclops chose her.

LMAO.

Rogue, the best leader? LOL. Thats just crazy-talk. If Rogue weren't protected by her "writer's pet" status, she'd have gotten them all killed in a heart beat. Emotional, immature, impatient, and flighty people have no business leading other people into combat. All this "she's a great leader because she's edgy and unpredictable" is pure bunk.

[Havok83]

LMAO.

Rogue, the best leader? LOL. Thats just crazy-talk. If Rogue weren't protected by her "writer's pet" status, she'd have gotten them all killed in a heart beat. Emotional, immature, impatient, and flighty people have no business leading other people into combat. All this "she's a great leader because she's edgy and unpredictable" is pure bunk.
I think Spark627 and Cyclops (the character) explained it well why Rogue is leader of this team and she was the best choice to pick. The only other 2 who might be better than her is Cannonball and Cable and as stated, Cable showed up after leadership was chosen. Bobby has potential, but its not in his nature to step up, especially not amongst experienced teammates. Mastermind and Karima were in a coma when they first joined and even though they woke, up, I dont think anyone would pick them as leader. No one knows Karima so theres no reason to trust or follow her. Mastermind is a villian and definetly cant be trusted. Ditto for Sabretooth. Mystique was a probationary X-man, and she isnt fully trusted. So among that group, it is valid to say that Rogue is best suited for leadership, aside from Sam of course. Rogue has done good with what she's had to face. She's been through alot the past few months and Im glad its toughen her up instead of weakened her

[Canemacar]

Just because Cable came along later on doesn't mean he shouldn't have taken command once he joined up; that sort of thing happens all the time in military outfits. Cannonball has been groomed by the best of the best to be a leader in the X-men and he's been in the squad from the start; why shouldn't he have lead? Because Carey is a Rogue fan, thats why.

[Havok83]

Just because Cable came along later on doesn't mean he shouldn't have taken command once he joined up; that sort of thing happens all the time in military outfits. Cannonball has been groomed by the best of the best to be a leader in the X-men and he's been in the squad from the start; why shouldn't he have lead? Because Carey is a Rogue fan, thats why.
Cable doesnt consider himself a member of the team. He's jsut "visiting" and Im sure he's out after the next arc. Besides, he has taken up leadership of the squad. Rogue is sick and out of active duty. Cable has been leading the team since Red Data started. You are right about Cannonball and either he or Rogue could have been chosen. Just so happens that it was Rogue. Im glad Carey is a Rogue fan bc the character has been an absolute mess for years. Im glad he's finally undoing some of the damage that has been done to her

[Canemacar]

Yes he is doing a good job for repairing the damage done by Austen, Milligan, and Lobdell, but he still hasn't convinced me that Rogue has any business leading people into combat when her own battle strategy has been "fly up to it and start punching" for the majority of her time as an X-man. She's never really shown an penchant for quick-thinking or inscrutability until he came along.

[Coldqueen]

I'm not getting into it because CanCan's dislike of her colors any conversation about her. With him, you'll never win the argument so I'm not bothering to try.

Next thing you know, he'll be saying that when Gambit comes back he should be appointed leader...

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Bwahahahahaha.

I like to think Can wouldn't go that far. :wow:

[emmymae]

Yeah, we're not going to win that one with him. I agree with Spark; Rogue is a quick thinker and a great leader. The last story arcs before Carey didn't do justice to her and did even less for Gambit. Carey having Rogue be leader is definitely about more than him just loving her character. She can really deliver the goods. It's her sweet heart that makes her not give up on her teammates, even when it's highly risky. Sometimes, a leader has to take risks, especially in the current comic situation. The old ways aren't going to cut it.

I didn't even know who Cannonball was before I came back to the comics, so I have no clue what kind of leader he'd be. Cable wouldn't want to be the leader anyway. There have got to be strong women leaders other than Storm, who is one of the best. Rogue is going to be a legend in her own right.

Hi Spoons, I like Bloo.

[emmymae]

Yeah, we're not going to win that one with him. I agree with Spark; Rogue is a quick thinker and a great leader. The last story arcs before Carey didn't do justice to her and did even less for Gambit. Carey having Rogue be leader is definitely about more than him just loving her character. She can really deliver the goods. It's her sweet heart that makes her not give up on her teammates, even when it's highly risky. Sometimes, a leader has to take risks, especially in the current comic situation. The old ways aren't going to cut it.

I didn't even know who Cannonball was before I came back to the comics, so I have no clue what kind of leader he'd be. Cable wouldn't want to be the leader anyway. There have got to be strong women leaders other than Storm, who is one of the best. Rogue is going to be a legend in her own right.

Hi Spoons, I like Bloo.

[emmymae]

Yeah, we're not going to win that one with him. I agree with Spark; Rogue is a quick thinker and a great leader. The last story arcs before Carey didn't do justice to her and did even less for Gambit. Carey having Rogue be leader is definitely about more than him just loving her character. She can really deliver the goods. It's her sweet heart that makes her not give up on her teammates, even when it's highly risky. Sometimes, a leader has to take risks, especially in the current comic situation. The old ways aren't going to cut it.

I didn't even know who Cannonball was before I came back to the comics, so I have no clue what kind of leader he'd be. Cable wouldn't want to be the leader anyway. There have got to be strong women leaders other than Storm, who is one of the best. Rogue is going to be a legend in her own right.

Hi Spoons, I like Bloo.

[emmymae]

Yeah, we're not going to win that one with him. I agree with Spark; Rogue is a quick thinker and a great leader. The last story arcs before Carey didn't do justice to her and did even less for Gambit. Carey having Rogue be leader is definitely about more than him just loving her character. She can really deliver the goods. It's her sweet heart that makes her not give up on her teammates, even when it's highly risky. Sometimes, a leader has to take risks, especially in the current comic situation. The old ways aren't going to cut it.

I didn't even know who Cannonball was before I came back to the comics, so I have no clue what kind of leader he'd be. Cable wouldn't want to be the leader anyway. There have got to be strong women leaders other than Storm, who is one of the best. Rogue is going to be a legend in her own right.

Hi Spoons, I like Bloo.

[Canemacar]

Next thing you know, he'll be saying that when Gambit comes back he should be appointed leader...

Of course not.

1: Gambit is far too independent to let himself be bogged down like that.

2: If I get my wish, putting him in charge is the last thing the X-men will be wanting to do.

*the team assembles for their first mission*

Gambit: "Good morning, Redshirts!"

[Havok83]

I didn't even know who Cannonball was before I came back to the comics, so I have no clue what kind of leader he'd be.
He was co-leader of the New Mutants along with Moonstar. He led X-force after Cable left. He certainly has some experience. I cant see him leading the X-men though bc of his youth. Technically he's only a few years younger than Rogue, but he still feels sort of like a "junior" X-man to me, if that makes sense, mainly bc he started off on one of the spinoff teen books

[Canemacar]

IIRC, only he and Chamber ever made it into the main books.

[Havok83]

IIRC, only he and Chamber ever made it into the main books.
and what about Husk?

[Canemacar]

I mean apart from Austen's run. Everyone just pretends it didn't happen.

[Rogue's Hand]

To anyone that doesn't like Rogue as leader,
I'ma gonna say to you like Rogue said to Cyclops


"Deal with it" :oldrazz::woot:

[Canemacar]

Won't have to. She isn't leading after issue #200 according to X-editor Andy Schmidt.

[anyjus]

Do you have proof that Rogue will no longer be Squad Leader after #200? I think we would all like to see it.

[Canemacar]

Check around Wizard's site. They've got an interview with the guy somewhere over there.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

To anyone that doesn't like Rogue as leader,
I'ma gonna say to you like Rogue said to Cyclops


"Deal with it" :oldrazz::woot:

Huh huh.

It's not as if Cyke hit the nail right on the head or anything when he told her that having Creed around was a bad idea. :woot:

[spark627]

Won't have to. She isn't leading after issue #200 according to X-editor Andy Schmidt.

Carey denied that rumor on his website, Rogue will be leader

[Canemacar]

Carey has to do what the editors say. He may want to keep her a leader, but if they say no, then there's nothing he can do about it.

[spark627]

Carey has to do what the editors say. He may want to keep her a leader, but if they say no, then there's nothing he can do about it.
true, but his formula is working right now. he said rogue will stay leader, so unless he says otherwise this is the story. i know you dont like rogue but a lot of people do and for every reason you can think of that she shouldn't be leader, i can think of as many why she should. its a never ending battle

[spark627]

Yeah, we're not going to win that one with him. I agree with Spark; Rogue is a quick thinker and a great leader. The last story arcs before Carey didn't do justice to her and did even less for Gambit. Carey having Rogue be leader is definitely about more than him just loving her character. She can really deliver the goods. It's her sweet heart that makes her not give up on her teammates, even when it's highly risky. Sometimes, a leader has to take risks, especially in the current comic situation. The old ways aren't going to cut it.

I didn't even know who Cannonball was before I came back to the comics, so I have no clue what kind of leader he'd be. Cable wouldn't want to be the leader anyway. There have got to be strong women leaders other than Storm, who is one of the best. Rogue is going to be a legend in her own right.

Hi Spoons, I like Bloo.

I agree with what you said here. Rogue's character was basically destroyed by Claremont in X-Treme and Milligan in X-Men. They only focused on her emo-depressed side, which is something she got over a while ago. Carey is writing Rogue the way she used to be, thank god! As I have said, I think she is a great leader and its nice to have someone who isn't stuffy like Scott and Storm, its refresing to have a younger leader

[Canemacar]

1: It's not up to him. Writers have to do what the editors say. If Schmidt says she doesn't lead, then she isn't gonig to lead.

2: No you can't.

a) She's emotionally immature. She's shown time and again that she doesn't have the maturity that someone her age should have.

b) Whenever she's confronted with something that bothers her, she runs away. She's done this several times and she'll keep doing so. It's a pattern of behavior.

c) She isn't a strategist or a tactician. All of her combat experience has been nothing more than "punch the bad guy and rely on my invulnerability to save my ass".

d) She's brash and impulsive. You can wax poetically all you want but the fact of the matter is that being impulse when go into battle means people, your people, are going to get killed.

e) She isn't a deep thinker. Leaders need to be intelligent people who can take in new information and formulate new strategies based on how conditions change. Rogue isn't trained to do that, nor has she shown the mental dexterity required for it.

f) She might be an "edgy" leader, but that is not a good thing to be. Being edgy means she's constantly putting her team members in unnecessary danger. Cyclops and Storm's "play it safe" style of leadership is a much better method.

g) She's got people on her squad far more qualified to be leading than she ever will be. Cannonball has been groomed by the best among the X-men to take over as a leader and has shown astounding progress in that. Cable is a grizzled war vet with more years of combat experience under his belt than Rogue has been alive. He's lead all kinds of units, from massive armies, to precision attack squads. Mystique has been leading her brotherhood for years and managed to get a very unruly bunch of people to work together towards a common goal; that shows some real talent. On the rare occasion that he's stepped up to the role, even Iceman was a better leader than Rogue has proven to be.

h) If Rogue were not protected by her status as writer's pet, Cyke would, realkistically, have relieved her of her command the second she tried to use Creed, a known danger to everyone around him despite safety measures, as a weapon and got all snitty when he tried to tell her as much.

[spark627]

honestly, its not worth re-hashing all of this (and i could counter attack all of your points). whats the point really? she is the leader, its a done deal. accept it and enjoy the book

[Canemacar]

honestly, its not worth re-hashing all of this (and i could counter attack all of your points).

And I could take over the world with a paperclip! It's just not worth it.:oldrazz:





Ok, I'm done.

[Colossal Spoons]

To anyone that doesn't like Rogue as leader,
I'ma gonna say to you like Rogue said to Cyclops


"Deal with it" :oldrazz::woot:

Won't have to. She isn't leading after issue #200 according to X-editor Andy Schmidt.

:D:up:

[spark627]

FYI...Careys response to Andy saying Rogue won't be leader:

Mike Carey:I didn't see that interview. I know what Andy is referring to, obviously, and I'd love to clarify - but I literally can't. The crossover is a huge melting pot that has some very unfamiliar and unexpected things coming out of it. One of them has huge implications for my team, in ways that we're still talking about and will continue to talk about until the forthcoming X-summit. All I can say, however mealy-mouthed it sounds, is that I didn't set Rogue up as leader with the intention of knocking her off that perch again almost immediately - and that the story that we're telling in the crossover takes Rogue through this spectacular suffering and trauma to a new place. We don't leave her dysfunctional or depowered or in limbo. And at that point I have to shut up. I'll tell you more when I can

[Colossal Spoons]

How vague

[Canemacar]

Exactly; all he says is that he doesn't want to knock Rogue off her leader's perch. As Claremont could tell him, sometimes editorial can screw up all your plans.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

h) If Rogue were not protected by her status as writer's pet, Cyke would, realkistically, have relieved her of her command the second she tried to use Creed, a known danger to everyone around him despite safety measures, as a weapon and got all snitty when he tried to tell her as much.

Still can't believe *anyone* bought that scene and thought Rogue ended up looking *cool*.

This basically how it played out:

Cyke: Look, kiddo, all I'm saying is that walking around with that maniac and putting a metaphorical gun to his temple is a bad idea. It's gonna backfire so bad it's not even funny.

Rogue: I PWN!!!! DEAL WITH IT!!!!

Cyke: *rolls eyes*

:whatever: :whatever: :whatever:

Christ I hope someone calls her on that insanely stupid move after this mess with the Marauder is over.

[spark627]

she chose creed for the mission, not for the team, because he knew how to find the children and how they fought. its sams fault that he took over the conquistador.