Official X-MEN: LEGACY Discussion Thread

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

FACT is, having him tag along while perfectly KNOWING he would betray them at the first occasion was a bad decision from the very get-go.

:whatever: :whatever: :whatever:

[emmymae]

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

Spark, I did like how Rogue was written in the Invasion of Dimension X story arc, which is one I bought. But yeah, from what I saw of the later issues of that series, it wasn't so good for her or Gambit.

I certainly hope Rogue gets to stay leader, but the head editors unfortunately get the final say on those things it seems. It's too bad Carey can never say too much about what will happen next in the series.

[TromaFreak64]

Since it's heavily regarded that a character from X-men will die in issue 199 leading to the funeral in issue 200 which further leads into the Endagered Species Arc... I'm sure this has been discussed to death (terrible pun)...

Who from this line is gonna die???

[PhoenixWillRise]

i dont think that the mutant who dies will be an x Man.... it seems like this story is taking a "Children of Men" turn, therefore the mutant that dies will prob just be the 'youngest mutant'.. and with no mutant births it brings on the "endangered species" storyline.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

And to be honest, short of Sam, Bobby and Rogue, I just don't think the death of any other member of the team would have *that much* of an impact on the mutant community.

Nor, ya know, anything to do with "endangered species" theme besides thining out their numbers by, hummm, ONE.

[TromaFreak64]

"Confirmed information from issue #187 of Wizard indicates the storyline, which begins in X-Men #200, will involve the return of the Marauders and the death of one of the members of Rogue's current team among other events."

I know its Wizard and maybe it's wrong, but this is where I drew the assumption from that it was one of Rogue's team that bows out... anyone else curious why they though this then?

Perhpas they misunderstood the writer.... wouldn't be the first time... like the confusion over the leadership on this book possibly changing when it was clear that was not the case.

[Colossal Spoons]

And to be honest, short of Sam, Bobby and Rogue, I just don't think the death of any other member of the team would have *that much* of an impact on the mutant community.

Nor, ya know, anything to do with "endangered species" theme besides thining out their numbers by, hummm, ONE.

I think Cable dying would have quite an impact. He's pretty damn important to the world; if you read his book w/ Deadpool.

[Canemacar]

Here's what the article had in it:

1. DEATH IN THE FAMILY. A member of Rogues team falls in the line of duty!
CAREY: "A call to arms, but arguably too late."

-Personally, i'm thinking it's going to be Sabertooth (not that he'll stay dead or anything). I was talking to Carey a few months ago about the change in the roster and he said a major change in sabertooth's staus would keep him from being in the book after 200.

2. RETURN OF HEROES? Two prodigal X-Men burst back onto the scene - but whose side are they on?
CAREY: "Ever since I took over, I've been getting questions on one of these two characters. There will be some cries of joy when they come galloping over the horizon."

-Gambit and Sunfire. With Gambit being the one he kept getting asked about.

3. BETRAYAL FROM WITHIN. The X-men face the deadliest threat of all: one of their own!
CAREY: "There's something nasty going on thats not obvious at all and will carry on not being obvious even after the big reveal."

-A friend of mine thinks it's Karima and made a pretty solid argument and backed it up to my satisfation.

4. POWER OUTAGE. One of the X-men will lose their mutant abilities when they need them most!
CAREY: "Such a tragic beat, because of how it's done and who is responsible."

-I think Iceman. Carey said a few months ago that Bobby would soon find himself unable to rely on his powers and would need to use his wits.

5. THE MARAUDERS RETURN. Among the X-men's deadliest foes, these villains already caused one "Mutant Massacre" - and the timing of their comeback couldn't be worse.
CAREY: "Who's in? Who's out? Don’t wait for someone else to buy the issue and tell you!"

6. TAKE THE CRAZY TRAIN. By issue's end, an X-man's mind may be too far gone to salvage.
CAREY: "The darkest aspect of the issue - and my run so far."

-Hmm. I'm thinking Cable. He'll be fine of course, but he's supposedly going through the wringer.

7. MALICE AFORETHOUGHT! The body possessing Marauder claims another X-man!
CAREY: "It's a slightly different Malice with a new method of breaking and entering."

-Lady M, i'm thinking.

8. X-RATED ENCOUNTER. Two members of the team get closer than ever in a decidedly adult fashion!
CAREY: "Wait until you see how this plays out."

-This one is obviously Bobby and Mystique.

9. THIS BUDS FOR YOU! An X-man - who's NOT named Wolverine - cracks open a cold one!
CAREY: "I'm allowed to do this right?"

10. UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT. The Marauders get a familiar face as their new leader.
CAREY: "The most jaw dropping moment in the whole issue."

-I can think of two canidates; Cable or Gambit. Cable because he's going to be wheeling and dealing with Sinny according to interviews or possibly Gambit since he founded them back in the day.

[@JeanGrey]

Carey has confirmed that someone from Rogue's squad dies. And that all these things happend to this team, not to other X-Men (I am not sure for the beer thing though)

[iamlegend]

And to be honest, short of Sam, Bobby and Rogue, I just don't think the death of any other member of the team would have *that much* of an impact on the mutant community.

Nor, ya know, anything to do with "endangered species" theme besides thining out their numbers by, hummm, ONE.

They could kill off Cannonball and officially put an end to the whether or not he's immortal question...

[Colossal Spoons]

^Who'd wanna see that?

[Canemacar]

^Who'd wanna see that?

Me, for one.

[iamlegend]

Me, for one.

Not a Cannonball fan?

Personally, I'd like to see Iceman go, even though I know it won't happen.

[Colossal Spoons]

I like both Sam and Bobby, so no death for me please.

[Canemacar]

Not a Cannonball fan?


I live in Kentucky, he's a bad Kentucky stereotype. That probably has something to do with it.

[emmymae]

I don't know him well, but I hope Cannonball doesn't die. He's kinda cute. It's probably Sabertooth. I heard from someone it might be Mystique. I have no idea. So, CanCan, you've spoken with the Mike Carey. How cool!

[Colossal Spoons]

I think the Guthrie family has been through enough lately :(

[Colossal Spoons]

2x post

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

But why would people *care* if Creed die?? Wouldn't most of them be like "good riddance"????

Anyway, just saying I'm not 100% sure the death in this book will kickstart the Endangered Species thingy... *shrugs*

[Snikt 6]

I would be SO happy if Cannonball bit it!!!!!!

[anyjus]

Sabretooth dies. That's my bet. Oh, I think Malice will possess Regan.

[Snikt 6]

^Yeah, good guess. Either Regan gets possesed or dies. My guess is on Karima being the one who dies though.

[Specter313]

Since it's heavily regarded that a character from X-men will die in issue 199 leading to the funeral in issue 200 which further leads into the Endagered Species Arc... I'm sure this has been discussed to death (terrible pun)...

Who from this line is gonna die???

Whoever is writing the Endangered Species one shot, Carey I think, confirmed that the mutant who died isn't going to be an X-Man, nor really anyone really all that important. But they're using the death to show that, since there are so few mutants left in the world and no more are coming, ANY mutant death is a major blow.

[Snikt 6]

^My guess will be Caliban. Looks like a gonner from the Uncanny previews......

[TromaFreak64]

Whoever is writing the Endangered Species one shot, Carey I think, confirmed that the mutant who died isn't going to be an X-Man, nor really anyone really all that important. But they're using the death to show that, since there are so few mutants left in the world and no more are coming, ANY mutant death is a major blow.

I read that too, but the Wizard article directly contradicts it as the others pointed out....

I'm so confused.

I read that it was NOT a member at all that kick starts it, but I see Carey saying that a member of the adjectiveless goes down...

Can anyone shed light on this... which of the two articles/interviews is more up to date?

[Snikt 6]

^Maybe its Regan that "goes down" by being controlled by Malice. Just a thought.

[emmymae]

Who can say for sure? These comic guys can never give a straight answer about what will happen. We won't know until the issue comes out.

[Specter313]

I read that too, but the Wizard article directly contradicts it as the others pointed out....

I'm so confused.

I read that it was NOT a member at all that kick starts it, but I see Carey saying that a member of the adjectiveless goes down...

Can anyone shed light on this... which of the two articles/interviews is more up to date?

The Endangered Species one shot and the next arc in adjectiveless are two completely separate stories. So no, Wizard really isn't contradicting anything at all.

[ProfeZZor X]

Double post... See the real deal below.

[ProfeZZor X]

Previews for the upcoming #199 issue... with words.

http://www.popcultureshock.com/x-men...eview/41782/2/

Also, the X-traitors joining the Marauders are: Gambit (Normal looking, not Death), Lady M, Karima, Sunfire, and Exodus. Surprised? :wow:

[Canemacar]

Just going to spoiler tag the whole damn post. It's easier that way.

Technically, only Lady M and Karima are traitors (and possibly only Lady M since Karima seems to have lost her soul to Hectcomb) since Exodus has never been an X-man, and Gambit and Sunfire are already seperated from the X-men.

[Havok83]

guys remember to put up spoiler warnings

[bengan]

DAMN IT!!! I want to read it soo bad :(

[squeekness]

Nice kiss. :D

[emmymae]

I read the spoilers anyway. I'm lazy and I'm trying to save space and money by waiting for the TPB or the pinnacle issues of the year if I can't wait.

Gambit looks normal!!! How did that happen? That's crazy that Karima and Lady M are joining the Maruaders. One of them must be possessed by Mimic.

[Canemacar]

I *knew* that was his leg on the far right of the cropped Marauder cover.

[Specter313]

Also, the X-traitors joining the Marauders are: Gambit (Normal looking, not Death), Lady M, Karima, Sunfire, and Exodus. Surprised? :wow:

Says who?

[Specter313]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0705/17/xmen199c.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0705/17/xmen1991.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0705/17/xmen1992.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0705/17/xmen1993.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0705/17/xmen1994.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0705/17/xmen1995.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0705/17/xmen1996.jpg

Here's how Marvel describes the book:

"'Condition Critical,' part 3 of 3. The X-Men are one issue away from 200...and let's hope Cable and Rogue can make it! Facing a nearly indestructible enemy, both Cable and Rogue will need to make choices that will alter their lives forever."

X-Men #199 will be 32 pages and will cost $2.99.

[The Cajun]

where can i see this cropped Marauder cover?

[bengan]

^ here
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g199/ilovebengan/Namnlst-1kopiera.jpg(although I did mash it with anorther cover. The Marouders one is the one to the right :P)
and I cn see that hectacomb is going down..badass style. And does this mean that Victor is the X-men that will die?

[squeekness]

*looks at the piece of leg in the corner* Is Gambit back in the magenta? Geez, I would have hoped they would have kept him in the Extreme black.

[Canemacar]

According to someone on comixfan who had an advance copy of 199(which has the cover preview), he's rocking the pink again for some reason.

[iamlegend]

According to someone on comixfan who had an advance copy of 199(which has the cover preview), he's rocking the pink again for some reason.

Hey, at least it's not the blue and gold, right?

[squeekness]

He was in the blue and gold only when they were in space. Thank goodness. :)

[ProfeZZor X]

Says who?

Says the upcoming teaser picture spread I saw in the back of the book when I picked up and read the actual X-Men #199 book yesterday.

...Again, I may not have scans of some of the spoilers I post, but my proof is validated the very next week when the book comes out. My information has only been incorrect once, which was with Apocalypse being Sinister instead at the end of the Annual.

Otherwise, why do you consistently try to prove me wrong when I clearly try and provide a service to this forum?

[ProfeZZor X]

^ here
(although I did mash it with anorther cover. The Marauders one is the one to the right :P)
and I cn see that hectacomb is going down..badass style. And does this mean that Victor is the X-men that will die?

You can't see them on your picture, but Gambit is to the right, Sunfire is up top, Karima and Exodus are near where Gambit is standing (to the right), and Lady Mastermind is standing way in the very back, behind everyone. No one knows who the woman in white is just yet.

[squeekness]

I doubt they would kill off Sabes, or at least not permanently. He might have been removed in some other way, he could have taken off.

[Specter313]

Says the upcoming teaser picture spread I saw in the back of the book when I picked up and read the actual X-Men #199 book yesterday.

...Again, I may not have scans of some of the spoilers I post, but my proof is validated the very next week when the book comes out. My information has only been incorrect once, which was with Apocalypse being Sinister instead at the end of the Annual.

Otherwise, why do you consistently try to prove me wrong when I clearly try and provide a service to this forum?

:whatever: Drama queen much? You don't say where you got it from, yet again, so I asked. Duh. Say where you got it from or provide a link. It's not so hard.

[Colossal Spoons]

Anybody check out Cable/Deadpool this week? It tied into the current Adjectiveless arc:

Cable's got his telepathy and telekinesis back thanks to the Mummadrai, and he's running towards Rogue's hospital bed about to do something shocking no doubt

[ProfeZZor X]

:whatever: Drama queen much? You don't say where you got it from, yet again, so I asked. Duh. Say where you got it from or provide a link. It's not so hard.

You're more of a newbie to comics, so you should appreciate what free information people are contributing to this forum instead of critiquing. IF, and only IF you paid attention in my second post, you would have known that I got it from the actual book....Still, it's reasons like you why I don't come to this forum that often any more.

Your delusions of grandeur as a second rate moderator is over rated, when all you're doing is posting links that people already have access to. If you don't appreciate the spoiler information that I post, then don't try and go all "Messiah" and correct me, or demand a link... Just turn around and walk the other way.

[Xplicit Content]

No one knows who the woman in white is just yet.
So we're not sure that's Emma anymore? I've been trying to come up with a reason why she'd be on the Marauder cover, if it is her. I remember Carey saying all of the teasers he gave awhile back about betrayel and the Malice take-over involved his Adjless characters only. Hm, looking forward to seeing how all of this developes...thanks for the spoilers.

[iamlegend]

I find it depressing that, despite not currently being on the Adjectiveless team, Wolverine is front and center on the X-Men portion of the cover. I'm aware that they have characters over there from Astonhishing too, but there was no need to put Wolvering in the forefront.

[emmymae]

Yeah, everything seems to revolve around Wolverine these days, the movies, the next cartoon, etc. I like the guy, but it's gone too far. Gambit's back in pink? Oh sheesh. Rogue is wearing her original Brotherhood outfit and Gambit's dusted off the 90's outfit. I guess the black leather experiment didn't work.:cwink:

[Canemacar]

They definitely should have left the pink in the 90's. I'm not sure how well this comeback is going to go if Marvel is going to saddle him with a ridiculous costume right out of the gate. Kinda seems like they're stacking the deck against him (which I wouldn't put past them. They're childish like that over at Marvel).

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Can someone please saw me what you guys are talking about with Gambit wearing pink?

[iamlegend]

Can someone please saw me what you guys are talking about with Gambit wearing pink?

A little farther back in the thread there's a cropped preview of the issue 200 cover featuring the Marauders. Reportedly the full, uncropped image features Gambit alongside the Marauders, except looking normal again and in his old pink and blue uniform (complete with duster, obviously).

Canemacar- I don't think that by returning the pink Marvel is stacking things against him... In all honesty that uniform is the one that is really more associated with Gambit's character. I mean, hell, he donned a similar look during his glory days, no? The black may look better, but the old pink and blue is how he was originally done.

Hey, maybe it's a sign they're taking him back to his original personality, no? :woot:

[Canemacar]

Hey, maybe it's a sign they're taking him back to his original personality, no? :woot:



I certainly hope so. Claremont/Lee era Gambit was so damn awesome it isn't even funny.

"Bang. You dead."

[Snikt 6]

Kinda have mixed filling about what Rogue will be going though. I loved her as the leader, and I guess she will not be holding that role much longer. According to an article in Wizard (on Wizard.com) Carey and others make comments on all the characters on the cover of issue #200.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I certainly hope so. Claremont/Lee era Gambit was so damn awesome it isn't even funny.

"Bang. You dead."

Eh.

For all my enthusiast criticism and comments regarding CC's madness, at least he *did* write his male characters hardcore.

[Snikt 6]

^Everyone except to Colossus. Kinda weak.

[Canemacar]

That's part of Colossus' personality. He's pretty passive for the most part. All part of the "gentle giant" archetype.

[Snikt 6]

^Yeah, I know. But still.....he should get ticked off more often. I do like Pete and like that he has a gentle side, its cool and all, but sometimes he needs to man-up.

[axex]

You can't see them on your picture, but Gambit is to the right, Sunfire is up top, Karima and Exodus are near where Gambit is standing (to the right), and Lady Mastermind is standing way in the very back, behind everyone. No one knows who the woman in white is just yet.


When you search "White Queen" or "Emma Frost" under wallpapers at marvel.com, the marauders cover comes up. Apparently, the "woman in white" is Emma, according to Marvel.

[Colossal Spoons]

That's part of Colossus' personality. He's pretty passive for the most part. All part of the "gentle giant" archetype.

^Yeah, I know. But still.....he should get ticked off more often. I do like Pete and like that he has a gentle side, its cool and all, but sometimes he needs to man-up.

:up:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

^Yeah, I know. But still.....he should get ticked off more often. I do like Pete and like that he has a gentle side, its cool and all, but sometimes he needs to man-up.

*sigh* Why am I not surprised you...? :woot:

Nothing wrong with the guy being laidback and gentle.

Not having a short fuse is a GOOD thing. :woot:

[emmymae]

I guess I can take the pink. They had better make Gambit a relevant character again. It's sad Rogue might not be leader anymore. I hope she isn't too permanently scarred by her promised bad year to come.

[Canemacar]

I'm thinking Carey intends to either move her back into a position of leadeship, or at least have her be 2nd in command or something based on what he's said over at his blog.

The pink could work, but only if Gambit's got his mojo flowing again. It takes a certain caliber of man to wear pink, speak French, and not look like a pansy. Gambit hasn't been that caliber a man in years.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I'm thinking Carey intends to either move her back into a position of leadeship, or at least have her be 2nd in command or something based on what he's said over at his blog.

Wait, does anybody really think he's not going to do just that??? :wow:

[ProfeZZor X]

Bobby Drake kicks all kind of ass... Check out this link to see why.

http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/3535165.html#cutid1

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/xmen199page1.jpg
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/xmen199absolutezeropage.jpg

[emmymae]

Of course Iceman kicks butt, there's no doubt about that. I'm so sad Rogue is powered up enough to kill everyone she touches. It's cool that Cable managed to wake her up.

[Specter313]

http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/marvelcomics/200708_advance/XMen_202.jpg

X-MEN #202
Written by MIKE CAREY
Pencils and Cover by HUMBERTO RAMOS
The Xavier Academy is under siege, and the full, appalling scale of the Marauders' plans is finally becoming clear. Now Iceman and Cannonball have to stay ahead of the pursuit long enough to mount a counter-attack - and to deprive their enemies of the one precious resource that could be the key to both victory and survival. FEATURING ENDANGERED SPECIES CHAPTER 9 - Can the ”Black Womb” facility answer any riddles surrounding Beast? 32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99


God, I thought we were done with Ramos on this title. This stuff looks like crap, and Colossus looks like he's trying to take one.

[Snikt 6]

*sigh* Why am I not surprised you...? :woot:

Nothing wrong with the guy being laidback and gentle.

Not having a short fuse is a GOOD thing. :woot:

Yeah....I guess. But if you were able to lift tons and turn your skin to organic steel....would you be such a pushover most of the time? Dunno, just would like Pete to be written as a man sometimes.....

Really liked the preview...poor Rogue.....:dry:

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/marvelcomics/200708_advance/XMen_202.jpg

X-MEN #202
Written by MIKE CAREY
Pencils and Cover by HUMBERTO RAMOS
The Xavier Academy is under siege, and the full, appalling scale of the Marauders' plans is finally becoming clear. Now Iceman and Cannonball have to stay ahead of the pursuit long enough to mount a counter-attack - and to deprive their enemies of the one precious resource that could be the key to both victory and survival. FEATURING ENDANGERED SPECIES CHAPTER 9 - Can the ”Black Womb” facility answer any riddles surrounding Beast? 32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99


God, I thought we were done with Ramos on this title. This stuff looks like crap, and Colossus looks like he's trying to take one.
Awesome ass cover.

[Havok83]

I think that cover is horrible. Why is Ramos still drawing this title?

[El Bastardo]

Ramos is back! :D

Say for no Bachalo for at least a little while once more!

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I think that cover is horrible.

Word. :wow: :wow: :wow:

God, what the hell were they shooting for?

"When anime rip-offs go horribly horribly wrong???!!!"

[iamlegend]

Word. :wow: :wow: :wow:

God, what the hell were they shooting for?

"When anime rip-offs go horribly horribly wrong???!!!"

Outside of Colossus and (I'm assuming) Shadowcat, I honestly have no idea as to what I'm looking at. It's a mess.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Outside of Colossus and (I'm assuming) Shadowcat, I honestly have no idea as to what I'm looking at. It's a mess.

Eh. :csad:

Christ, I'm still I'm still trying to make sense of any action sequence in the past couple of issues. :wow:

[El Bastardo]

Outside of Colossus and (I'm assuming) Shadowcat, I honestly have no idea as to what I'm looking at. It's a mess.

I wouldn't say that personal character ignorance is the fault of the penciller. Let's see, you named Colossus and Shadowcat, so: I see Hellion, Dust, Rockslide, Prodigy, Mercury, X-23, and behind Colossus from between his legs I see Elixir. And they all have big guns pointed at them.

See? Not that hard. Those named characters are all from the book New X-Men, currently on shelves at your local comic shop!

Oh, were you exaggerating? :whatever:

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Dude... Under Colossus is Surge, not Elixir. You just, like, helped make their point. *sigh* Either way, I like the cover. To each his own.

[El Bastardo]

Oops.

But nah, I didn't help make their point! I just helped further my cause of personal character ignorance. I, I, hadn't noticed the gauntlets that Surge uses, which are clearly there and evident now that I took another look at it. My mistake!

The art is cleaner than Bachalo.

[Canemacar]

Those were guns pointed at them? I thought those were just hunks of machinery laying around in the foreground.

[emmymae]

I don't like it. I wonder what the new adjectiveless line-up will be.

[Snikt 6]

Ramos strikes again....dang. I wish Bachalo was the only artist on this title during Carey's run.

[Rogue's Hand]

Here's a picture of Rogue about to face Gambit
in the X-Men VS Marauders cover.


http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/6587/xmenvsmaraudersxy8.jpg

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

*Cheesy reunion of sorts ahead!!* warning. :woot:

God, please make it so that Carey understands that they don't HAVE to face each other in battle.

[Canemacar]

Here's a picture of Rogue about to face Gambit
in the X-Men VS Marauders cover.


http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/6587/xmenvsmaraudersxy8.jpg


Marry me.

[Rogue's Hand]

*Cheesy reunion of sorts ahead!!* warning. :woot:

God, please make it so that Carey understands that they don't HAVE to face each other in battle.
Who do you think should face Gambit?
I mean the fight w/ Rogue would be too predictable.
I think she should fight Sunfire :woot:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Bah, I *would* laugh at Remy blowing her up to bits, but I'm worried about a cheesy meeting/dialogue before said blowing up takes place. :wow:

[Canemacar]

Bah, I *would* laugh at Remy blowing her up to bits, but I'm worried about a cheesy meeting/dialogue before said blowing up takes place. :wow:

Thats what I'm afraid of too. Let him smack Mystique around for a bit(or worse, given an X-man dies) instead.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Too bad Bobby won't go down, eh.

Not that I dislike the guy, but I still expect compensation from that silly Bobby/Mystique thingy.

Think about it. Gambit smacking around the two protagonists of some crappy romance. The irony.

[Rogue's Hand]

Bah, I *would* laugh at Remy blowing her up to bits, but I'm worried about a cheesy meeting/dialogue before said blowing up takes place. :wow:
Smack who? Maybe the old Rogue, but now that this woman
is accompanied by the souls of 8 Billion lives. Not just regular lives,
but the lives of casualties in a long gone war. I'm not being bias
when I say that it's about to be on. Call it what you may, we know
for a fact Rogue isn't biting the bullet. I still stand by my opinion that
she is going to kill someone in # 200.

[Canemacar]

she is going to kill someone in # 200.

I think it'll either be Mystique, Sabertooth (doubtful though)or one of the non-Gambit Marauders (they're all replaceable anyway.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Smack who? Maybe the old Rogue, but now that this woman is accompanied by the souls of 8 Billion lives. Not just regular lives, but the lives of casualties in a long gone war.

Great, yet another reminder that Rogue's destiny is to kick ass.

I'm not being bias when I say that it's about to be on. Call it what you may, we know for a fact Rogue isn't biting the bullet.
FIGURE OF SPEECH. Geez.

For crying out loud, I keep referring to her *tough year ahead*. Why would I even be suggesting she actually dies...???

I still stand by my opinion that she is going to kill someone in # 200.

Still wrong to do so for someone in a leadership position.

[ProfeZZor X]

It's images like the one above (#3087, posted by Canemacar) that I enjoy proving Specter313 wrong...

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Eh, you *DID* call it. :woot:

[Canemacar]

What did he call?

Friend of mine called Karima on being the traitor. He could tell by the circular guns that peaked over into the cropped version.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Remy being on the cover with the Marauders and him not being Death.

[Canemacar]

Jeez, I could've told him that. Carey practically told us in one of his wizard interviews. Something like

Q: What can we expect in Gambit's future?

A: He'll be in bad company with a terrible agenda.

Q: What is he going to look like?

A: I'll just point you towards the finch cover on that one. (Gambit looked normal on the Finch cover).

[anyjus]

Shadowcat has hazel eyes, nit blue eyes this guy's art is always terrible.

[Canemacar]

Shadowcat has hazel eyes, nit blue eyes this guy's art is always terrible.

Technically, thats the colorist's fault, not the artists (his art does suck though).

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Jeez, I could've told him that. Carey practically told us in one of his wizard interviews.

Well, yeah. :woot:

Just saying Prof called it about Remy being on the part of the cover we hadn't seen yet.

[Canemacar]

I knew Gambit was going to be n the cover, and in his classic outfit, from the moment the Ramos cover was released. How? His knee stuck out a tiny bit and was part of the cropped version.

Yes, I can identify my favorite character by how his knee caps look. LOL.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Yes, I can identify my favorite character by how his knee caps look. LOL.

Kinda hardcore. :woot:

[Canemacar]

Kinda hardcore. :woot:

It helps that he wears knee-high metal boots and pants with pink stripes on them. :woot:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Mmm. I'd have to look back at early pics of that cover. Was the knee that obvious??

Oh, and just for the record, I'm all for the old school outfit. Old school PWNZ. :woot:

[Canemacar]

Mmm. I'd have to look back at early pics of that cover. Was the knee that obvious??

You could see the stripes, but the boots were obscured by Riptide's whirlwind.

Oh, and just for the record, I'm all for the old school outfit. Old school PWNZ. :woot:

I just hope his old school personality comes with it.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I just hope his old school personality comes with it.

Amen.

Most of current day's X-Men cojones are with the Astonishing crew anyway. Marvel just *has* to remember that there's othing wrong with not-so-friendly badasses. :whatever:

[Rogue's Hand]

I'm honestly dying to read the dialoque between
Rogue and Gambit & Sunfire. Who's powers do you think Rogue
will stay with :huh:

Shiro must be dying to get at Rogue for stealing powers.
And Rogue is dying for a re-match w/ Remy,
especially considering he pulled an Ike Turner
last time they were together :whatever:

[spark627]

I'm honestly dying to read the dialoque between
Rogue and Gambit & Sunfire. Who's powers do you think Rogue
will stay with :huh:

Shiro must be dying to get at Rogue for stealing powers.
And Rogue is dying for a re-match w/ Remy,
especially considering he pulled an Ike Turner
last time they were together :whatever:

Well, Shiro gave them to Rogue freely. It was Blindspot who caused the perm. effect.

[bengan]

Here's a picture of Rogue about to face Gambit
in the X-Men VS Marauders cover.


http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/6587/xmenvsmaraudersxy8.jpg
Noooooo!! Its been spoiled....DAMN YOU!! I didnt wanted to know:csad:

[ProfeZZor X]

What did he call?

Friend of mine called Karima on being the traitor. He could tell by the circular guns that peaked over into the cropped version.

A few pages back, I spoiled ALL of the characters from Carey's team (Exodus and regular looking Gambit) that would be on the Marauders, and I was chastized by Specter313 for not providing visual proof, other than my word that I saw the actual page in an advance copy of #199.

... I haven't seen him post a response so far, so I'll take that as his apology.

[Rogue's Hand]

Well, Shiro gave them to Rogue freely. It was Blindspot who caused the perm. effect.
Oh, so he has no ill feelings towards her?

[Rogue's Hand]

Noooooo!! Its been spoiled....DAMN YOU!! I didnt wanted to know:csad:
I'm sorry, I tried to put the picture under a spoiler warning but
it somehow malfunctioned :csad:

[spark627]

Oh, so he has no ill feelings towards her?

he was basically dying so he told her to take the powers, blindspot pushed rogue into him and held her there so the transfer became perm. when they fought during the apocalypse arc, he didnt say anything about it

[Rogue's Hand]

he was basically dying so he told her to take the powers, blindspot pushed rogue into him and held her there so the transfer became perm. when they fought during the apocalypse arc, he didnt say anything about it
So he doesn't even remember it happened or something?

[spark627]

we don't know, i assume he remembers

[Rogue's Hand]

I'm sure he wants some kind of revenge :woot:

[Canemacar]

I'm honestly dying to read the dialoque between Rogue and Gambit & Sunfire. Who's powers do you think Rogue
will stay with :huh:

Neither. She won't be absorbing Gambit and Carey flat out said that the Sunfire powers aren't going to last.

Shiro must be dying to get at Rogue for stealing powers.

He does resent her from what I remember. In her solo, I think he even popped her upside the head after she absorbed him against his will because she wouldn't listen to him.

And Rogue is dying for a re-match w/ Remy,

No she isn't. See #188.

especially considering he pulled an Ike Turner last time they were together :whatever:

She's gotten around herself, you know.:whatever:

[spark627]

He does resent her from what I remember. In her solo, I think he even popped her upside the head after she absorbed him against his will because she wouldn't listen to him.




That isn't what happened at all. He told her to take his powers to fight off Deathstrike bc he was out (after she cut off his legs). Rogue said no but he insisted. When she kissed him Blindspot held them together bc she was afraid Rogue wouldn't take enough. I know you hate Rogue, but making up BS? come on now.

[Canemacar]

That isn't what happened at all. He told her to take his powers to fight off Deathstrike bc he was out (after she cut off his legs). Rogue said no but he insisted. When she kissed him Blindspot held them together bc she was afraid Rogue wouldn't take enough. I know you hate Rogue, but making up BS? come on now.

No, thats not what I'm talking about. It was the issue before that IIRC. She didn't believe him about something so she just absorbed him, she ended up getting a glance at how his crazy uncle treated him as a boy, and he flew off the handle.

[spark627]

No, thats not what I'm talking about. It was the issue before that IIRC. She didn't believe him about something so she just absorbed him, she ended up getting a glance at how his crazy uncle treated him as a boy, and he flew off the handle.

yes, she aborbed him bc Deathstrike took over his plane and attacked her. She thought Sunfire sent her. We were talking about when she perm. took his powers.

[emmymae]

Spark's right about when Rogue got Sunfire's powers.

I thought that was part of Gambit's leg in the previous cropped versions of the cover. I hope Rogue doesn't kill someone, though with her new souped up absorption power, it might happen by accident. How did it come about that Karima went to the dark side? I don't know her that well. I knew Lady Mastermind was a bad girl.

Has Rogue absorbed all the souls of the people the Hecatomb killed? Crazy.

[ProfeZZor X]

Spark's right about when Rogue got Sunfire's powers.

I thought that was part of Gambit's leg in the previous cropped versions of the cover. I hope Rogue doesn't kill someone, though with her new souped up absorption power, it might happen by accident. How did it come about that Karima went to the dark side? I don't know her that well. I knew Lady Mastermind was a bad girl.

Has Rogue absorbed all the souls of the people the Hecatomb killed? Crazy.

Yeah, absorbing all those souls... Hecatomb sent her to "Funky Town".

...And I don't think she'll be back for a while.

[Havok83]

I loved the issue. Bachalo did great with the art especially on Rogue

[Specter313]

A few pages back, I spoiled ALL of the characters from Carey's team (Exodus and regular looking Gambit) that would be on the Marauders, and I was chastized by Specter313 for not providing visual proof, other than my word that I saw the actual page in an advance copy of #199.

... I haven't seen him post a response so far, so I'll take that as his apology.

Do you always put words in other people's mouths? Get it straight. I pointed out that you didn't say WHERE you saw them, I never demanded you to show what you saw. If you're gonna *****, make sure you know what the hell you're *****ing about. And grow up ya big baby.

[iamlegend]

Do you always put words in other people's mouths? Get it straight. I pointed out that you didn't say WHERE you saw them, I never demanded you to show what you saw. If you're gonna *****, make sure you know what the hell you're *****ing about. And grow up ya big baby.

Yeah, you really showed your own maturity when you typed that line...:whatever:

[Specter313]

Yeah, you really showed your own maturity when you typed that line...:whatever:

And do you always butt into other people's arguments? :whatever: Don't comment if you don't know what the hell is going on.

[iamlegend]

And do you always butt into other people's arguments? :whatever: Don't comment if you don't know what the hell is going on.

Guilty as charged I suppose.

Though I'm aware at the debate you two are having. This is a message board, see, where everyone can read what you've written.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Edit

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

And do you always butt into other people's arguments? :whatever: Don't comment if you don't know what the hell is going on.
Oh snap!

[Havok83]

Back to the X-men. Great issue huh?

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Was it really, or are you just saying that?

Tell us the important things that happened, please.

[Havok83]

Was it really, or are you just saying that?

Tell us the important things that happened, please.
no it was good. There was alot of action and Bachalo's art was beautiful, especially his Rogue. Some things that happened:


- Mystique kissed Bobby
- Rogue woke up and her powers have been amplified. The slightest touch now causes death. A nurse died that way. She still has the strain though
- Cable's powers have been restored but he only has his TK as his TP was lost after he mindlinked with the Mumnadrai and it died
- Bobby used his powers in an interesting way to help stop the Hectaomb from exploding and killing them all, by lowering the surrounding temperature of its blast.
- Sabretooth "died" after Cable blew up the Conquistador, but Karima mentioend in the end that it looked like he got away.

[bengan]

I'm sorry, I tried to put the picture under a spoiler warning but
it somehow malfunctioned :csad:
No problem. I love this new team Marauders of Marauders anyway :oldrazz:

And I have to confess that I sometimes like Ramos art, but that hes horribel at keeping a look and stick to itt. I mean look at that girl from the Pan story. Her face(and boobes) shifted form from one picture to another.

[Canemacar]

Can't wait for issue 200.

Rogue: She's going to be fine. Carey has plans for her.
Iceman: There are plans for him after the crossover.
Sam: There's plans.
Cable: He's got his own book.
Lady M: Carey has confirmed thatshe'll be around afterwards.
Karima: same as Lady M.
Sabertooth: He left before things got nasty.
Mystique: Uh, oh. Her future looks grim. There's been no talk of whats happeneing wither her afterwards and Carey said her relationhip w/ Rogue was going to reach a stable point, but not because they come to an understanding.

[ProfeZZor X]

Do you always put words in other people's mouths? Get it straight. I pointed out that you didn't say WHERE you saw them, I never demanded you to show what you saw. If you're gonna *****, make sure you know what the hell you're *****ing about. And grow up ya big baby.

You "requested", "asked for", "inquired about", "demanded".... (same damn thing) that I provide a visual image of what I saw. Or at the very least, include a LINK to what I saw.... Which is your typical reaction to attempting to prove people wrong here. Nevertheless, your childish responses just goes to show that I don't need to justify myself to you or anyone here. If you don't trust what information the people in this forum are providing on a consistent basis, then don't read their posts... It's just that easy.

[El Bastardo]

You "requested", "asked for", "inquired about", "demanded".... (same damn thing) that I provide a visual image of what I saw. Or at the very least, include a LINK to what I saw.... Which your typical reaction to attempting to prove people wrong here. Nevertheless, your childish responses just goes to show that I don't need to justify myself to you or anyone here. If you don't trust what information the people in this forum are providing on a consistent basis, then don't read their posts... It's just that easy.

Yeah! Everyone put their fists in the air in unison! Rage against that machine! Rage against the man! The man won't bring us down! How DARE someone ask for or demand or want proof to substantiate something someone's saying that might be, could be, are they? rumors! ZOMG

Dudes, like, in Issue 202 Colossus will be on the team and throw Gambit around except Gambit will charge his body with ubernew powers just like he did in the last issue of AoA. And no, you all better not ask for proof or I'll have to get ornery! :o

:whatever: :woot: And for good measure... :trans: (Switching to Autobot mode!)

ON ANOTHER NOTE. Bachalo's art was a little more tolerable in this issue, I thought, as there was less going on - in essence, his art was cleaner past the first few pages than it usually is, which was nice. And yes, his Rogue looked pretty top-notch.

My only little bummer was, for their supposed collaboration, the Cable/Deadpool issue that involved Cable and preceded this issue of X-Men didn't quite lead into this issue. As in, Cable ended in C/D at a different spot than he was at the beginning of X-Men... and given what he was doing in X-Men, where C/D ended doesn't make too much sense. It doesn't link up right.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

The 'for luck' kiss was just insane (NOT in the good scene), but it was an otherwise fine issue.

Art still way too cartoonish, but oh well...

[javon]

Colosuss and Gambit??

[emmymae]

That will be interesting. That must mean Gambit will have souped up powers. I didn't read #199 but I found out all the important points from another message board link including pictures. They make it so easy these days for the lazy people.

[Spectre722]

i saw the ad that features the marauders the roster includes: (spoilers)

vertigo
harpoon
scalphunter
random
exodus
sunfire
gambit
lady m
karima
and someone who looks a whole lot like emma

[Specter313]

You "requested", "asked for", "inquired about", "demanded".... (same damn thing) that I provide a visual image of what I saw. Or at the very least, include a LINK to what I saw.... Which is your typical reaction to attempting to prove people wrong here. Nevertheless, your childish responses just goes to show that I don't need to justify myself to you or anyone here. If you don't trust what information the people in this forum are providing on a consistent basis, then don't read their posts... It's just that easy.

When you listed the supposed new members of the Marauders, I said, and I quote:

Says who?

And I can provide a nice little link to show everybody that you're full of it:

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11676755&postcount=3037

Now would you like to try and continue this BS that I was "demanding visual proof"? I don't have a problem just about about everyone else posting information because they're smart enough to at least say where they found it from. And even when they don't, I asked them where they got it from as well. Quit acting like I'm singling you out. You ain't that special. Grow up.

[iamlegend]

Yeah! Everyone put their fists in the air in unison! Rage against that machine! Rage against the man! The man won't bring us down! How DARE someone ask for or demand or want proof to substantiate something someone's saying that might be, could be, are they? rumors! ZOMG

Dudes, like, in Issue 202 Colossus will be on the team and throw Gambit around except Gambit will charge his body with ubernew powers just like he did in the last issue of AoA. And no, you all better not ask for proof or I'll have to get ornery! :o


But Prof. does have fairly credible proof, seeing as how he's posted issue summaries and that lot before the regular release for at least the past few months.

[Canemacar]

Which he probably copied from UAG at CBR. :oldrazz:

[iamlegend]

Which he probably copied from UAG at CBR. :oldrazz:

Even if that is the case, it's still credible info one way or another.

[Canemacar]

Oh yes, I agree. The only time she has made a mistake, to my knowledge, was when she confused Sinister for Apocalypse in the recent X-men Annual.

[ProfeZZor X]

When you listed the supposed new members of the Marauders, I said, and I quote:



And I can provide a nice little link to show everybody that you're full of it:

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11676755&postcount=3037

Now would you like to try and continue this BS that I was "demanding visual proof"? I don't have a problem just about about everyone else posting information because they're smart enough to at least say where they found it from. And even when they don't, I asked them where they got it from as well. Quit acting like I'm singling you out. You ain't that special. Grow up.

I can give a rats ass of your funky little two word vocabulary of asking where I got the information from. I've always provided free spoiler information to this forum on many occassions. But if you want to be a little B**** about things, here is your other follow up quote:

:whatever: Drama queen much? You don't say where you got it from, yet again, so I asked. Duh. Say where you got it from or provide a link. It's not so hard.

I specifically responded to your "Say's Who" post by saying that I saw the actual picture in the #199 comic book dumb ass. You are not in a position to demand $#!t from people, you have no authority here, and this certainly is not your damn forum... Again, for the third time, if you don't want to believe the things I provide to this forum, DON'T READ IT!!!

Everyone doesn't have to leech off of other websites to provide visual proof of things in this forum, like you do. If you gained enough respect from people here from actually KNOWING who the X-Men are and their past, providing valid and authentic information from READING the actual comic book, rather than getting it from some website, or pretending to be an expert after seeing all three movies... no one should have to question your sources of information.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Getting ugly... :wow:

To steer things back on topic... God I hate they drop this Bobby/Mystique thingy. Hell, I actuallly like Romy and Jott more because at least I bought that the characters could actually *like* one another. :wow:

[Canemacar]

It hasn't had a lot of build-up has it? They've had a few short conversations, then all of a sudden they're tounge-wrestling.

Who knew it was that easy? :wow:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

It hasn't had a lot of build-up has it? They've had a few short conversations, then all of a sudden they're tounge-wrestling.

The less logical the more romantic, eh?

God I hope this is Mystique pulling one on Bobby and not an actual romance that will go anywhere. :wow:

And NO, killing Mystique off would not qualify as redeeming this nonsense. :woot:

[squeekness]

I don't mind the Mystique /Bobby thing all that much except for the fact that he can't really ever trust her, can he? She's swung both ways so far as her loyalty goes. He would never be on sure ground and that's a bad place to be in a relationship.

[Canemacar]

She's swung both ways

In more ways than one. :woot:

[squeekness]

LOL, wonder if Bobby would even care about that... :p

[ProfeZZor X]

I don't mind the Mystique /Bobby thing all that much except for the fact that he can't really ever trust her, can he? She's swung both ways so far as her loyalty goes. He would never be on sure ground and that's a bad place to be in a relationship.

Bobby already said that he doesn't trust Mystique when they first arrived on Cable's island. And I don't think that's about to change, especially when Mystique herself told him not to let his guard down. I also really wouldn't consider them being in a relationship. All they've had were a few exchanges of pleasantries and a kiss. Neither one of them acts like they're involved with each other, like Scott and Emma, so I wouldn't put it past me that either one of them are just looking for comfort and company during their respective transitional stages... Mystique coming to terms with the bad she's done in her life, and Bobby starting to realize he has more potential than he's allowed himself to explore all these years.

On a related topic, I think she might be the one that possibly dies in the upcoming arc. I've been pondering the fact that Rogue still hasn't warmed up to her. And with her new "instant death" touch and new psychotic mentality, she might touch Mystique out of anger or by mistake. The Endangered Species cover also gave me that impression too, seeing that Rogue and Kurt are more in the forefront (I don't count Wolverine) and grieving more than the others. And even though they're all squad leaders, I thought it was still ironic to have those two right up front on the cover, versus any of the other team leaders. I also know Marvel tends to lead everyone on, thinking that this "major character" will be from someone's current line up. But the truth of the matter is, is that when we assumed someone from the Uncanny team was going to die, it turned out to be Corssair, who isn't even an X-Man.

...So at this point, I'm still scratching my head. Although my suspicions are still on them killing off Mystique. Otherwise, why else would Carey write Mystique with a compassionate heart all this time? He has to be going somewhere with that... :huh:

[squeekness]

Rogue= the new Wither? :(

[ProfeZZor X]

Previews for Endangered Species & #200:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10665

I think this is where Rogue confronts Bobby and Raven
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/XMEN200PG1.jpg

Looks like Bobby has something important to tell the team.
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/XMEN200pg2.jpg

At least Rogue’s skin is looking a lot better. It also looks like she’s trying to make up for her psychotic behavior.
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/XMEN200PG3.jpg

This might be when Emma looks inside Rogue’s head… I wonder what that skull figure represents (where the souls are coming from)
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/XMEN200pg4.jpg.

Looks like Xavier is taking this death pretty hard
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/ESPG1.jpg

Same with Kurt… Must have been someone really important to him
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/ESPG2.jpg

Great team line up. Although I wouldn’t doubt this is just temporary.
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/ESPG3.jpg

[ProfeZZor X]

And for everyone that didn't notice on Ramos' #200 cover... INCLUDING ME... Introducing: Prysm (behind Lady Mastermind)

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/XMEN200coverPrysm.jpg

[Canemacar]

Oh, I missed Prism there too.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

There are too many X-"Men."

[ProfeZZor X]

Double post...

[ProfeZZor X]

Oh, I missed Prism there too.

I don't think anyone really missed him... I think he was purposely cropped off, just like all the others when this image was initially posted some time ago. Who knows, there might be even more as it gets closer to it's release date.

[bengan]

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/ESPG1.jpg

Same with Kurt… Must have been someone really important to him

isnt that the Guthrie family to the left? Although I dont think that Sam is the one to go, I still wonder why they are there.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/ESPG3.jpg
love that, although Im not a very big Wolverine fan, I just jope that Carey does him justice.

About the new Marauders cover, I think that Emma will be the one that Malice will take over. Lady M will join by her own force and Karima is there becuse someone activated her Sentinel program. This could be done by Scalphunter, or if hes on the team,Scrambler.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Would Angel die?

[bengan]

Nope, hes part of the WW Hulk thingie. And I think that it take part somehow under the same time as Endangered Species. Ill bet my money on Mystique, although I think thats an unnecessary choice...

[javon]

In the pic with Cyke shooting his optic beams (along side Beast), is that Cannonball in the top left corner?

[ProfeZZor X]

Interview with Mike Carey, POST #199 issue...

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=114083

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

In the pic with Cyke shooting his optic beams (along side Beast), is that Cannonball in the top left corner?
yes

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Been a while since Cyke's blasts looked that good. :wow:

Am I the only one wondering what the hell is about Emma's smile and the memory of Genosha?? And Dream Xavier *does* seem to be looking right at her.

Some sort of reference to AXM's Nova arc? Or whatever's in store for her in the next adjectiveless #200 and on?

[Havok83]

Ramos's art is horrible. Again WHY is he back? What happened to Clayton Henry?

[Rogue's Hand]

I have a strong feeling Mystique is going to bite bullet :csad:

[Havok83]

seriously would anyone care besides Rogue? I dont see her getting a big funeral

[spark627]

I thought it was Mystique too, but I dont think all of those people would be that upset about her death

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

seriously would anyone care besides Rogue? I dont see her getting a big funeral

Thirded.

[squeekness]

Isn't that funeral for the death of the youngest mutant because no more are being born?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Probably.

But it's funnier to reiterate that many people would give the slightest of f**ks about Mystique croaking. :woot:

[Specter313]

I can give a rats ass of your funky little two word vocabulary of asking where I got the information from. I've always provided free spoiler information to this forum on many occassions. But if you want to be a little B**** about things, here is your other follow up quote:

Yep, total drama queen. Of course you don't give a rat's ass about my vocabulary when it's yours that you should be concerned with when all I ask is where you got something from, saying that it's a "demand". Yet again, I'm not singling you out. I've done this to plenty of other people and they don't throw little hissyfits like I took away their ice cream cone. I did the same thing with Canmancer when he posted spoilers for Uncanny and he acted like a normal person would. He said where he got it from and we both moved on.

I specifically responded to your "Say's Who" post by saying that I saw the actual picture in the #199 comic book dumb ass.

And would that be so hard to say when you initially posted the thing? No, so get a grip, crazy.

You are not in a position to demand $#!t from people, you have no authority here, and this certainly is not your damn forum... Again, for the third time, if you don't want to believe the things I provide to this forum, DON'T READ IT!!!

Again, you realllllllly need to check your own damn vocabulary when you say asking a simple question is "demanding" something. It's also quite funny that you go about saying that I don't own the forum, then right after you tell me what I can and can't read on it. Don't see your name anywhere either.

Everyone doesn't have to leech off of other websites to provide visual proof of things in this forum, like you do. If you gained enough respect from people here from actually KNOWING who the X-Men are and their past, providing valid and authentic information from READING the actual comic book, rather than getting it from some website, or pretending to be an expert after seeing all three movies... no one should have to question your sources of information.

Oh, this just had me rolling for a good couple 'a minutes with laughter. Leeching off websites? Oh, that's rich. Yes, posting articles so that everyone else can be kept up to date on the goings on in the book is totally leecing off knowledge. :whatever: Oh, look, you just did the same thing twice since this post, so you must be a leecher as well. You and pretty much everyone else who's a regular poster here knows that I've been reading the comics for years know and tracked down plenty of back issues, so this little thing of trying to say that I don't read the comics is just a really pathetic attempt to try and tarnish my name around here, and it's not working. I'm not going anywhere, and I'm not changing the way I act just because one little spoiled brat doesn't like being asked to say where he got something from. You wanna keep posting around here, you can expect me to ask the same thing every single time you say something as a fact without saying where you saw it from.

[Specter313]

THE UNUSUAL SUSPECTS: MIKE CAREY ON X-MEN #199 AND BEYOND
by Steve Ekstrom

SPOILER WARNING FOR X-MEN #199

X-Men #199 hit shelves this week—with a couple of well placed swerves involving Rogue and Cable and their status quo with Marvel’s Band of Merry Mutants. Also, readers will notice that the last page of the this issue contains a full image of David Finch’s super-sized gatefold for next month’s 200th anniversary issue—with two smaller images below it: one is Chris Bachalo artwork featuring the X-Men and the other is a Humberto Ramos rendered image of…well, let’s just say that apparently, Mr. Sinister has been a busy, busy super villain.

Fearful and full of questions, Newsarama cautiously flagged down Mike Carey in the middle of the night last night. Carey has got a lot “not to say” about next months X-anniversary and the re-emergence of the one of the deadliest groups to actually rival the X-Men—the Marauders.

Newsarama: Getting right to it—Rogue seems to be suffering quite a bit—with her tactile powers amplified by Pandemic and Strain 88. At the end of X-Men #199, there was a very disturbing moment where Rogue indicates that she has the "urge" to touch something—care to elaborate? Are you returning this tragic character to her traditional roots?

Mike Carey: In some ways, yeah; but please bear in mind, Rogue is only partway through a long and harrowing journey. By the time we get to #207 and the end of the crossover, she'll be in a different place and a lot of things we've been throwing up into the air will be more clearly defined. She does come out changed—profoundly changed—but we're not just testing her to destruction and we're not just saying "Oh, we'll take what's there already and multiply it by a few billion times...". There's more to it than that. There's a sense in which the way this plays out will become—I hope will become—one of the most poignant and powerful beats of the crossover.

NRAMA: Cable has lost his telepathy and regained his telekinesis—this has been a prevalent theme over the past ten years in the X books—the juxtaposition of telepathy and telekinesis—how characters tend to have one door open when another door closes. Care to elaborate on this?

MC: Well, you know how it is yourself when you telekinetically lift up a cup of coffee or something and then realize your telepathy has cut out. It's a bummer, but it happens all the time. (laugh)

No, seriously, I think it's an instance of the Phoenix effect. A character who is both telepathic and telekinetic is a spectacularly powerful—almost irresistible—force. From a narrative point of view, that's a lot less interesting than a power that brings its own problems, or a power for which there's a price to pay.

NRAMA: The teaser image on the last page of X-Men #199 was pretty shocking—the Marauders are coming back, looming larger than ever. Their roster seems to actually match even the most bloated roster of heroes in modern comic books—the X-Men have more members than a football team! Let's play a word association game with some of the members of this incarnation of the Marauders.

Let’s start with—Scalphunter.

MC: An honorable man once—a monster now. An untold story.

NRAMA: Exodus.

MC: Idealistic, well-meaning and terrifying.

NRAMA: Gambit.

MC: Which way is he going, up or down? We just don't know.

NRAMA: Sunfire.

MC: All of Shiro's worst personality traits are coming to the fore in this story arc.

NRAMA: Malice.

MC: As viciously playful as ever—but she's got a brand new bag.

NRAMA: Lady Mastermind.

MC: ...finally gets to stop playing nice. It comes as a relief to her.

NRAMA: Random.

MC: Only in this for one reason. We don't yet know what the reason is.

NRAMA: Omega Sentinel.

MC: Yeah, what's going on there? The answer is actually above.

NRAMA: Obviously, there are several X-related turncoats, without naming M all the names (the picture will suffice), was this assault on the 'X' premeditated?

MC: For the longest time. The seeds were planted before I joined the book, if you look carefully enough. And when the Marauders make their move, it's not one move—it's a carefully orchestrated sequence of moves. By the time the X-Men realize what's happening, the bad guys are already into the end-game. But the stakes don't get revealed fully until the crossover.

NRAMA: What is your take on Sinister? Nobody is re-inventing the wheel here—but how is your Sinister going to make a lasting mark on the status quo of the post-House of M X-books?

MC: Well, as you say, we know what kind of a man Sinister is and we know a lot by this time about how his mind works. He's been pondering on the question of mutant extinction, and he's come up with a possible solution: and being Sinister, he's being horrifically careful and thorough in terms of making absolutely sure that things happen the way he wants and needs them to. He's left nothing to chance, and he's moving the key figures around like pawns on a chess board. But even a master strategist can't predict how everyone will react every time: there will be one or two ducks that don't fall into a row for him—two actually.

Here we really are re-stating the character as he's already been defined. This is Sinister as we know and hate him, trampling lives underfoot in pursuit of a goal that becomes all-consuming for him as soon as he adopts it.

NRAMA: Sabertooth seems to have escaped the events of X-Men #199 unharmed—will he be showing up in X-Men #200? If so, will he be showing his true colors?

MC: No, he won't be in #200: his story plays out in Cable and Deadpool and in Wolverine. But yeah, we get to see Creed being Creed again. Not that he ever stopped.

NRAMA: In the teaser image—Gambit has been returned to his traditional look that was abandoned during his tenure as ‘Death, Fourth Horseman of Apocalypse’ during Peter Milligan’s run on the title. Will you shed light on this transformation?

MC: It's a statement he's making. He explains why in #200. And that explanation opens up a couple of other questions.

NRAMA: With the addition of Exodus to this version of the Marauders--is Scalphunter still the leader? Exodus is kind of a bad ass, you know…

MC: Neither Exodus nor Scalphunter is the Marauders' operational leader. That honor goes to... someone else—someone surprising. Exodus kind of acts as a lieutenant— keeping order within his own Acolytes—who are almost a team-within-a-team.

NRAMA: X-Men: Endangered Species #1 hits stores June 20th followed by X-Men #200 on June 27th. The first "Endangered Species" back-up story is featured in X-Men #200--Beast is featured prominently—with the advent of Whedon and Cassaday's run on Astonishing X-Men ending—do you and Ed Brubaker have 'carte blanche' with that roster? Who are some characters from the other X-books that you want to draft to your X-Men?

MC: Don't get me started. No, I don't think we have carte blanche, but there are going to be borrowings both short-term and long-term. I'd kill for Beast and Cyclops, but who wouldn't? I think you could call that justifiable homicide. I wouldn't mind taking a crack at Madrox at some point, too, but Peter has made that character so much his own...

NRAMA: Who are some characters that you wanted but the Powers That Be said, "No, but maybe later,"?

MC: Psylocke's the main one. Mister Claremont had first dibs because, you know, he invented her. As far as the post-crossover roster is concerned, the pieces are still falling into place. That's one of the things we're going to be discussing at the creative retreat at the back end of June.

NRAMA: 2007 seems to be a crappy year to be a hero in the Marvel Universe—all the toe tags are starting to pile up. Want to give readers a hint as to who bites it in X-Men #200?

MC: No, I can't do that. But the character in question goes out with a very big bang—and dying doesn't always mean you lost the fight.

NRAMA: What are your thoughts on killing characters—should they be brought back creatively or should they stay dead? Is death a tool for eliminating baggage in a comic book or is it something else?

MC: Oh well, you know, death in comics is often a career move. It can buy you out of one contract and leave you free to pick up another. I'm not saying that's what we're doing here, but I'm sure you're familiar with the phenomenon.

There's no point in killing a character off if it doesn't answer a narrative purpose that wouldn't be better served by something else. Whatever the question is, death ought to be the answer of last resort. Otherwise you're contributing to a sort of conceptual inflation, where your imaginative dollar buys you less each time.

NRAMA: Are you going to be working the X end of the Marvel Universe for the foreseeable future?

MC: God laughs when we make plans—and I say that as an atheist. I want to be involved. I love the franchise and I love the characters. And I think this is a great time to be doing this—an ‘X-Renaissance’. As long as Marvel wants me, I'm here.

NRAMA: To close, give readers one sentence that will make them want to buy every issue of this entire event.

MC: Well all the nude scenes are artistically necessary: except the one with Lady Mastermind in the bath—that's just gratuitous.

No? Sorry. How about:

Everything that's been building in all the X-books since House of M—every last, solitary thing—comes together and gets resolved here, right in front of your eyes.


http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=114083

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Ramos's art is horrible. Again WHY is he back? What happened to Clayton Henry?
Um, because some people like him? Obviously some people think he's good and prefer his work. Seriously, just because you dislike something, doesn't mean everyone agrees.

[Rogue's Hand]

Why wouldn't people be sad she died?
What if she died to sacrifice her life for YOUR fav hero?
You never know. I think it's sad if she dies:csad:

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

seriously would anyone care besides Rogue? I dont see her getting a big funeral
Kurt would care, Actually.

[El Bastardo]

As usual, I <3 Ramos's art. It's so much more pleasing to my eyes than Mr. "Where's Waldo?"

Now, without being too facetious (for those of you who missed the memo, my ramblings on the previous page about Colossus and Gambit were me being some amount of sarcastic regarding the situation)... I can't imagine it's Mystique who's dying. This isn't to disregard anything that's been said/speculated by posters here, as the pieces as we're currently seeing them really do fall into place to create a picture of Mystique being dead.

I just don't think Mystique would get that big of a grieving funeral. If Rogue killed her, maybe Rogue'd be sad, but whatever. And Kurt would probably mourn, but being that he's got the biggest conscience out of all the X-Men, I think Kurt would mourn just because... so Kurt looking sad doesn't make me think it's Mystique who dies.

Besides, the one page... Emma looks overly happy, and then we're treated to images of the Original X-Men, the blasting of Genosha, and then another image of Scott and Emma standing over the coffin. Doesn't that strike anyone else as a little suspect? Of course, I'm not saying Emma's the killer, but unless those images are some amount of telepathic recap/dialogue between Scott and Emma, they seem an interesting puzzle.

[Specter313]

I'd just like to point out that it's never been said that the funeral in Endangered Species is for anyone in the X-Men. In fact the creators have said it's more about the idea behind the funeral, the fact that there are so few mutants left with no more on the way, is more important than who it is that actually dies.

[El Bastardo]

Yeah, I remember that. It's what I forgot to add to my post, actually.

Though Carey does, above in that interview, say that the person goes out in a big bang, so I'd think that diminishes the chance it's a random no-name mutant.

[Specter313]

Yeah, I remember that. It's what I forgot to add to my post, actually.

Though Carey does, above in that interview, say that the person goes out in a big bang, so I'd think that diminishes the chance it's a random no-name mutant.

Slight correction: He says the one who dies in X-Men 200 goes out with a big bang. It's never been said either that the death in 200 is who the funeral is for in ES.

[El Bastardo]

Ah, yes, that's true.

And I thought it was a little awkward that the funeral would be the week before the death in #200.

Well, I guess that kinda makes my first post obsolete regarding Mystique.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Besides, the one page... Emma looks overly happy, and then we're treated to images of the Original X-Men, the blasting of Genosha, and then another image of Scott and Emma standing over the coffin. Doesn't that strike anyone else as a little suspect? Of course, I'm not saying Emma's the killer, but unless those images are some amount of telepathic recap/dialogue between Scott and Emma, they seem an interesting puzzle.

Think it's a reference to the 'hasn't-happened-yet-in-continuity" Torn.

[emmymae]

I thought the Age of Apocalypse was bad. This whole extintion thing is downright terrifying. Yeah, Rogue's Hand, anyone dying is tragic. Mystique has her good aspects somewhere in there.

I'm now really anxious to read issue #200. I have to find out what happens to everyone especially Gambit and Rogue. They're enemies now. :csad:

[ProfeZZor X]

THE UNUSUAL SUSPECTS: MIKE CAREY ON X-MEN #199 AND BEYOND
by Steve Ekstrom

SPOILER WARNING FOR X-MEN #199

X-Men #199 hit shelves this week—with a couple of well placed swerves involving Rogue and Cable and their status quo with Marvel’s Band of Merry Mutants. Also, readers will notice that the last page of the this issue contains a full image of David Finch’s super-sized gatefold for next month’s 200th anniversary issue—with two smaller images below it: one is Chris Bachalo artwork featuring the X-Men and the other is a Humberto Ramos rendered image of…well, let’s just say that apparently, Mr. Sinister has been a busy, busy super villain.

Fearful and full of questions, Newsarama cautiously flagged down Mike Carey in the middle of the night last night. Carey has got a lot “not to say” about next months X-anniversary and the re-emergence of the one of the deadliest groups to actually rival the X-Men—the Marauders.

Newsarama: Getting right to it—Rogue seems to be suffering quite a bit—with her tactile powers amplified by Pandemic and Strain 88. At the end of X-Men #199, there was a very disturbing moment where Rogue indicates that she has the "urge" to touch something—care to elaborate? Are you returning this tragic character to her traditional roots?

Mike Carey: In some ways, yeah; but please bear in mind, Rogue is only partway through a long and harrowing journey. By the time we get to #207 and the end of the crossover, she'll be in a different place and a lot of things we've been throwing up into the air will be more clearly defined. She does come out changed—profoundly changed—but we're not just testing her to destruction and we're not just saying "Oh, we'll take what's there already and multiply it by a few billion times...". There's more to it than that. There's a sense in which the way this plays out will become—I hope will become—one of the most poignant and powerful beats of the crossover.

NRAMA: Cable has lost his telepathy and regained his telekinesis—this has been a prevalent theme over the past ten years in the X books—the juxtaposition of telepathy and telekinesis—how characters tend to have one door open when another door closes. Care to elaborate on this?

MC: Well, you know how it is yourself when you telekinetically lift up a cup of coffee or something and then realize your telepathy has cut out. It's a bummer, but it happens all the time. (laugh)

No, seriously, I think it's an instance of the Phoenix effect. A character who is both telepathic and telekinetic is a spectacularly powerful—almost irresistible—force. From a narrative point of view, that's a lot less interesting than a power that brings its own problems, or a power for which there's a price to pay.

NRAMA: The teaser image on the last page of X-Men #199 was pretty shocking—the Marauders are coming back, looming larger than ever. Their roster seems to actually match even the most bloated roster of heroes in modern comic books—the X-Men have more members than a football team! Let's play a word association game with some of the members of this incarnation of the Marauders.

Let’s start with—Scalphunter.

MC: An honorable man once—a monster now. An untold story.

NRAMA: Exodus.

MC: Idealistic, well-meaning and terrifying.

NRAMA: Gambit.

MC: Which way is he going, up or down? We just don't know.

NRAMA: Sunfire.

MC: All of Shiro's worst personality traits are coming to the fore in this story arc.

NRAMA: Malice.

MC: As viciously playful as ever—but she's got a brand new bag.

NRAMA: Lady Mastermind.

MC: ...finally gets to stop playing nice. It comes as a relief to her.

NRAMA: Random.

MC: Only in this for one reason. We don't yet know what the reason is.

NRAMA: Omega Sentinel.

MC: Yeah, what's going on there? The answer is actually above.

NRAMA: Obviously, there are several X-related turncoats, without naming M all the names (the picture will suffice), was this assault on the 'X' premeditated?

MC: For the longest time. The seeds were planted before I joined the book, if you look carefully enough. And when the Marauders make their move, it's not one move—it's a carefully orchestrated sequence of moves. By the time the X-Men realize what's happening, the bad guys are already into the end-game. But the stakes don't get revealed fully until the crossover.

NRAMA: What is your take on Sinister? Nobody is re-inventing the wheel here—but how is your Sinister going to make a lasting mark on the status quo of the post-House of M X-books?

MC: Well, as you say, we know what kind of a man Sinister is and we know a lot by this time about how his mind works. He's been pondering on the question of mutant extinction, and he's come up with a possible solution: and being Sinister, he's being horrifically careful and thorough in terms of making absolutely sure that things happen the way he wants and needs them to. He's left nothing to chance, and he's moving the key figures around like pawns on a chess board. But even a master strategist can't predict how everyone will react every time: there will be one or two ducks that don't fall into a row for him—two actually.

Here we really are re-stating the character as he's already been defined. This is Sinister as we know and hate him, trampling lives underfoot in pursuit of a goal that becomes all-consuming for him as soon as he adopts it.

NRAMA: Sabertooth seems to have escaped the events of X-Men #199 unharmed—will he be showing up in X-Men #200? If so, will he be showing his true colors?

MC: No, he won't be in #200: his story plays out in Cable and Deadpool and in Wolverine. But yeah, we get to see Creed being Creed again. Not that he ever stopped.

NRAMA: In the teaser image—Gambit has been returned to his traditional look that was abandoned during his tenure as ‘Death, Fourth Horseman of Apocalypse’ during Peter Milligan’s run on the title. Will you shed light on this transformation?

MC: It's a statement he's making. He explains why in #200. And that explanation opens up a couple of other questions.

NRAMA: With the addition of Exodus to this version of the Marauders--is Scalphunter still the leader? Exodus is kind of a bad ass, you know…

MC: Neither Exodus nor Scalphunter is the Marauders' operational leader. That honor goes to... someone else—someone surprising. Exodus kind of acts as a lieutenant— keeping order within his own Acolytes—who are almost a team-within-a-team.

NRAMA: X-Men: Endangered Species #1 hits stores June 20th followed by X-Men #200 on June 27th. The first "Endangered Species" back-up story is featured in X-Men #200--Beast is featured prominently—with the advent of Whedon and Cassaday's run on Astonishing X-Men ending—do you and Ed Brubaker have 'carte blanche' with that roster? Who are some characters from the other X-books that you want to draft to your X-Men?

MC: Don't get me started. No, I don't think we have carte blanche, but there are going to be borrowings both short-term and long-term. I'd kill for Beast and Cyclops, but who wouldn't? I think you could call that justifiable homicide. I wouldn't mind taking a crack at Madrox at some point, too, but Peter has made that character so much his own...

NRAMA: Who are some characters that you wanted but the Powers That Be said, "No, but maybe later,"?

MC: Psylocke's the main one. Mister Claremont had first dibs because, you know, he invented her. As far as the post-crossover roster is concerned, the pieces are still falling into place. That's one of the things we're going to be discussing at the creative retreat at the back end of June.

NRAMA: 2007 seems to be a crappy year to be a hero in the Marvel Universe—all the toe tags are starting to pile up. Want to give readers a hint as to who bites it in X-Men #200?

MC: No, I can't do that. But the character in question goes out with a very big bang—and dying doesn't always mean you lost the fight.

NRAMA: What are your thoughts on killing characters—should they be brought back creatively or should they stay dead? Is death a tool for eliminating baggage in a comic book or is it something else?

MC: Oh well, you know, death in comics is often a career move. It can buy you out of one contract and leave you free to pick up another. I'm not saying that's what we're doing here, but I'm sure you're familiar with the phenomenon.

There's no point in killing a character off if it doesn't answer a narrative purpose that wouldn't be better served by something else. Whatever the question is, death ought to be the answer of last resort. Otherwise you're contributing to a sort of conceptual inflation, where your imaginative dollar buys you less each time.

NRAMA: Are you going to be working the X end of the Marvel Universe for the foreseeable future?

MC: God laughs when we make plans—and I say that as an atheist. I want to be involved. I love the franchise and I love the characters. And I think this is a great time to be doing this—an ‘X-Renaissance’. As long as Marvel wants me, I'm here.

NRAMA: To close, give readers one sentence that will make them want to buy every issue of this entire event.

MC: Well all the nude scenes are artistically necessary: except the one with Lady Mastermind in the bath—that's just gratuitous.

No? Sorry. How about:

Everything that's been building in all the X-books since House of M—every last, solitary thing—comes together and gets resolved here, right in front of your eyes.


http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=114083

So..... you basically repost something that was already posted a page ago. This just goes to show that you have problems with paying attention to details.

[Specter313]

So..... you basically repost something that was already posted a page ago. This just goes to show that you have problems with paying attention to details.

No, I just posted the full article here so people didn't have to go to the link. I like to go the extra step and make things clear, unlike some people.

[ProfeZZor X]

Yep, total drama queen. Of course you don't give a rat's ass about my vocabulary when it's yours that you should be concerned with when all I ask is where you got something from, saying that it's a "demand". Yet again, I'm not singling you out. I've done this to plenty of other people and they don't throw little hissyfits like I took away their ice cream cone. I did the same thing with Canmancer when he posted spoilers for Uncanny and he acted like a normal person would. He said where he got it from and we both moved on.



And would that be so hard to say when you initially posted the thing? No, so get a grip, crazy.



Again, you realllllllly need to check your own damn vocabulary when you say asking a simple question is "demanding" something. It's also quite funny that you go about saying that I don't own the forum, then right after you tell me what I can and can't read on it. Don't see your name anywhere either.



Oh, this just had me rolling for a good couple 'a minutes with laughter. Leeching off websites? Oh, that's rich. Yes, posting articles so that everyone else can be kept up to date on the goings on in the book is totally leecing off knowledge. :whatever: Oh, look, you just did the same thing twice since this post, so you must be a leecher as well. You and pretty much everyone else who's a regular poster here knows that I've been reading the comics for years know and tracked down plenty of back issues, so this little thing of trying to say that I don't read the comics is just a really pathetic attempt to try and tarnish my name around here, and it's not working. I'm not going anywhere, and I'm not changing the way I act just because one little spoiled brat doesn't like being asked to say where he got something from. You wanna keep posting around here, you can expect me to ask the same thing every single time you say something as a fact without saying where you saw it from.

In leiu of your arguement from the previous pages, YES, I did decide to CONTRIBUTE to this thread and post links... as a good faith measure. Knowing you, you probably would have tried to hog the spotlight and try to do it yourself if you had the chance.... Just take a look at all the threads in this forum. Most of them are created by you, so you obviously are seeking attention from an audience of people that you don't even know on a personal basis.

As for access to this information, people that have been in this forum long enough, should already know where to get the information from, rather than rely on other people to wait and post it. The problem is, people want the easy way out and want to cut corners. Those are the ones that are not deserving... Neither are the ones that try and claim all the fame and glory for providing a free service everyone already has access to.... Tradgic Kindom. :cmad:

And again, if you're going to insult someone, use the proper terminology for it. My "vocabulary" is just fine. It's my "choice of words" that got your panties in a bunch... Either way, get use to it, because I'm not going anywhere either. Nuff Said..

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Spect is right. Sometimes my computer doesn't go to the links. It say "Cannot find server" or something like that.

[ProfeZZor X]

No, I just posted the full article here so people didn't have to go to the link. I like to go the extra step and make things clear, unlike some people.

So what you're saying, is that the people in this forum are too dumb to open a link and get the information themselves? That just proves my point on how detached you are from your goal of mingling with the people here. You act as if you are playing God by providing these "little people" with your trinkets and bobbles....:dry:

What's the point of being here if you don't see these members as equals?

[javon]

:eek: Oooohhhh it's on! *Grabs popcorn*

[Specter313]

In leiu of your arguement from the previous pages, YES, I did decide to CONTRIBUTE to this thread and post links... as a good faith measure.

Yet you can't post a simple, "I got an early look at the next issue and so and so joins the Marauders." :whatever:

Knowing you, you probably would have tried to hog the spotlight and try to do it yourself if you had the chance.... Just take a look at all the threads in this forum. Most of them are created by you, so you obviously are seeking attention from an audience of people that you don't even know on a personal basis.

That's what you choose to ***** about? The fact that I've started a bunch of threads? :huh: Wow, you are really grasping at straws. If you knew anything with how this came about, you'd know that I polled the forum asking if they'd like me to start those threads. If I'm such a "glory hog" I wouldn't have cared what they said and started them anyway. Ask Colossal Spoons. I had an idea for a Colossus themed thread, and asked if he would like to make it since he is a bigger fan of the character than me. Not such a glory hog move, now is it?

As for access to this information, people that have been in this forum long enough, should already know where to get the information from, rather than rely on other people to wait and post it. The problem is, people want the easy way out and want to cut corners. Those are the ones that are not deserving... Neither are the ones that try and claim all the fame and glory for providing a free service everyone already has access to.... Tradgic Kindom. :cmad:

So, basically, you're saying that people who come here and want to talk about the articles right as they read them without having to go all over the internet to find them, are stupid and undeserving of even knowing about what's talked about in the articles in the first place. Oh yeah, you're really coming off as a good guy here. :whatever:

And again, if you're going to insult someone, use the proper terminology for it. My "vocabulary" is just fine. It's my "choice of words" that got your panties in a bunch... Either way, get use to it, because I'm not going anywhere either. Nuff Said..

Again, it's not my panties that got in a bunch over this whole thing. YOU mistook MY words as a demand and started this little hissyfit you're on, not the other way around, genius. And didn't you already say that it's because of "people like me" that you don't come around much anymore, yet you're saying differently now. You're a worse flip-flopper than Kerry, and I'm a democrat who hated that term.

So what you're saying, is that the people in this forum are too dumb to open a link and get the information themselves? That just proves my point on how detached you are from your goal of mingling with the people here. You act as if you are playing God by providing these "little people" with your trinkets and bobbles....:dry:

What's the point of being here if you don't see these members as equals?

Wow, you really do enjoy putting words in other people's mouthes, don't you? I've never said anything remotely close to that, and just continues to show how pathetic you're acting in this whole thing. The only person who has ever said anything like that would be you, just now in these past two posts. This is really becoming quite sad. And as Comicboy so easily just pointed out to you, there are plenty of people who very much enjoy that I post the full articles, because they can't normally view them. I'm making it easier for people to read these articles, something you seem to think they're too stupid to deserve. Grow up already.

[Canemacar]

....How long has this feud been going on?

[ProfeZZor X]

Yet you can't post a simple, "I got an early look at the next issue and so and so joins the Marauders." :whatever: .

So now you're dictating how people "should" utilize their freedom of speech? ...Hitler did the same thing, and look where he is now. My very next post contained the source of where I got the information from... So stop your whinning.



That's what you choose to ***** about? The fact that I've started a bunch of threads? :huh: Wow, you are really grasping at straws. If you knew anything with how this came about, you'd know that I polled the forum asking if they'd like me to start those threads. If I'm such a "glory hog" I wouldn't have cared what they said and started them anyway. Ask Colossal Spoons. I had an idea for a Colossus themed thread, and asked if he would like to make it since he is a bigger fan of the character than me. Not such a glory hog move, now is it?.

Show me this "ten commandment poll" asking the "little people" that you should be their messiah and think for them. I'd really like to see it. And asking one person in this forum if your accounts are valid does not represent the thousands of members that scan or post here. You mean to tell me that out of those thousands of members, no one here is brave enough to start their own thread, and they've all elected to have YOU create these threads?... That's highly unlikely.

Hogging the right to post a thread or article first is not what it's all about, but seeing that you're always attempting to spread your glorious generosity amongst the "little people" at the first sign of all new X-related information, WHY do you feel compelled to spelling everything out for them? Let alone posting it so quickly? ...Affraid you might lose your vote as the "most liked person" here?


So, basically, you're saying that people who come here and want to talk about the articles right as they read them without having to go all over the internet to find them, are stupid and undeserving of even knowing about what's talked about in the articles in the first place. Oh yeah, you're really coming off as a good guy here. :whatever: .

People are still discussing the monthly X-Men comic from the news stands, what makes you think that by posting information that isn't consistent with the thread is okay... If it involves the Astonishing or Uncanny team then it shouldn't be posted here. You've already DOMINATED a post aptly called "The 07' X-Event". How much more area of the comic book world are you trying to cover in this forum? You're so quick to lay everything out on the table for everyone, then why don't you separate the information involving other X-teams and post it there.

When I first argued with you about the Mystique/Iceman relationship last year, you had the thread deleted... Why, because it pertained to your exclusive "X-Men thread". Now, you create this "07 X-Event" thread with the intent of discussing all things relating to the upcoming X-events, and yet you post things here that should be intended for the other thread you created... Make up your damn mind.


Again, it's not my panties that got in a bunch over this whole thing. YOU mistook MY words as a demand and started this little hissyfit you're on, not the other way around, genius. And didn't you already say that it's because of "people like me" that you don't come around much anymore, yet you're saying differently now. You're a worse flip-flopper than Kerry, and I'm a democrat who hated that term..

Again, I reposted what you said... which had attitude to begin with, asking where I got the information from. Even when I mentioned my source, you wanted a link. Because people don't post like you do with all the bells and whistles in it, you feel threatened without validation. Still, the fact remains... My information was valid. And Canemacar posted the picture AFTER I said who the people were.


Wow, you really do enjoy putting words in other people's mouthes, don't you? I've never said anything remotely close to that, and just continues to show how pathetic you're acting in this whole thing. The only person who has ever said anything like that would be you, just now in these past two posts. This is really becoming quite sad. And as Comicboy so easily just pointed out to you, there are plenty of people who very much enjoy that I post the full articles, because they can't normally view them. I'm making it easier for people to read these articles, something you seem to think they're too stupid to deserve. Grow up already.

Again, if you feel like you're providing a public service to the members here, and in some remote way you feel good about it, glad that works for you... Whatever floats your boat. Still, you don't have any right to tell people to justify where they got their information from.

[Specter313]

So now you're dictating how people "should" utilize their freedom of speech? ...Hitler did the same thing, and look where he is now. My very next post contained the source of where I got the information from... So stop your whinning.

You're the one who said you provided links and "contributed" things to make them clear, I was pointing out how you claim to be such a big part of this thread, yet you can't include one tiny little detail that would answer a lot.


Show me this "ten commandment poll" asking the "little people" that you should be their messiah and think for them. I'd really like to see it. And asking one person in this forum if your accounts are valid does not represent the thousands of members that scan or post here. You mean to tell me that out of those thousands of members, no one here is brave enough to start their own thread, and they've all elected to have YOU create these threads?... That's highly unlikely.

Read it and weep, crybaby: http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229468

Hogging the right to post a thread or article first is not what it's all about, but seeing that you're always attempting to spread your glorious generosity amongst the "little people" at the first sign of all new X-related information, WHY do you feel compelled to spelling everything out for them? Let alone posting it so quickly? ...Affraid you might lose your vote as the "most liked person" here?

You keep putting this little people thing in quotes as if it's something I've actually said, when it's clear that the only person who has referred to other posters around here as that, is you. And it's called "sharing the knowledge" not "spelling things out". Get a clue. What does posting things when they come out have to do with anything? Seriously, you are stretching your argument as thin as you can here.

People are still discussing the monthly X-Men comic from the news stands, what makes you think that by posting information that isn't consistent with the thread is okay... If it involves the Astonishing or Uncanny team then it shouldn't be posted here. You've already DOMINATED a post aptly called "The 07' X-Event". How much more area of the comic book world are you trying to cover in this forum? You're so quick to lay everything out on the table for everyone, then why don't you separate the information involving other X-teams and post it there.

When I first argued with you about the Mystique/Iceman relationship last year, you had the thread deleted... Why, because it pertained to your exclusive "X-Men thread". Now, you create this "07 X-Event" thread with the intent of discussing all things relating to the upcoming X-events, and yet you post things here that should be intended for the other thread you created... Make up your damn mind.

Now you're not even making sense. When have I ever posted something here that was only intended for the X-event? And that so called relationship thread was talking about just the one cover with the mysterious "kiss". The threads, as you can clearly see in the poll, were decided to be made to talk about everything relating to the titles, including cover images, and it was voted on and accepted by the posters and even the mods. So don't throw a hissyfit just because you weren't there when it happened.

Again, I reposted what you said... which had attitude to begin with, asking where I got the information from. Even when I mentioned my source, you wanted a link. Because people don't post like you do with all the bells and whistles in it, you feel threatened without validation. Still, the fact remains... My information was valid. And Canemacar posted the picture AFTER I said who the people were.

And who said that had attitude? Like I've said I don't know how many times already, I've treated you the same way as I've treated anyone else around here when something like that comes up. It's not my fault you got your panties in a bunch and misconstrued that as giving you attitude. And I never demanded a link, the only time I mentioned a link was as an example to back things up.

Again, if you feel like you're providing a public service to the members here, and in some remote way you feel good about it, glad that works for you... Whatever floats your boat. Still, you don't have any right to tell people to justify where they got their information from.

Like someone else here said:

Yeah! Everyone put their fists in the air in unison! Rage against that machine! Rage against the man! The man won't bring us down! How DARE someone ask for or demand or want proof to substantiate something someone's saying that might be, could be, are they? rumors! ZOMG

Dudes, like, in Issue 202 Colossus will be on the team and throw Gambit around except Gambit will charge his body with ubernew powers just like he did in the last issue of AoA. And no, you all better not ask for proof or I'll have to get ornery! :o

You're acting like asking for proof is some huge crime. What, did mommy and daddy give you everything you wanted without asking questions? That would probably explain a LOT going on here.

[El Bastardo]

I like Specter (AND he quoted me! :D :D :D), and considering that Proffy has already pulled out the "free speech" card and displayed it openly, I think Proffy should lose. In fact, Proffy does.

But aside from that, why don't you two open a debate thread and argue yourselves 'til Kingdom Come (keke, DC plug!) there?

[ProfeZZor X]

You're the one who said you provided links and "contributed" things to make them clear, I was pointing out how you claim to be such a big part of this thread, yet you can't include one tiny little detail that would answer a lot..

I never said that. What I said, was that if you're going to post information about adjectiveless X-Men, then that should be it. And nothing in that article should relate to any other title. The things you post have relevance to other titles and shouldn't belong in titles without that thread title.

And again, you're fishing for justification to your arguement... I already posted in the very next thread where I got my information from... Just drop it okay.


Read it and weep, crybaby: http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229468
.

A handful of people out of the thousands of members here.... Good job. Hope you feel vindicated now. :whatever:


You keep putting this little people thing in quotes as if it's something I've actually said, when it's clear that the only person who has referred to other posters around here as that, is you. And it's called "sharing the knowledge" not "spelling things out". Get a clue. What does posting things when they come out have to do with anything? Seriously, you are stretching your argument as thin as you can here..

You "share the knowledge" when you post the link in the first place, so there is no need to paste the same information. And besides, you actually DID NOT post ALL of the information when you first created that "The 07' X-Events" thread, because the Endangered Species picure you posted is missing it's synopsis. Oh, and by the way.... YOU DIDN'T POST A LINK on where you got it from.


Now you're not even making sense. When have I ever posted something here that was only intended for the X-event? And that so called relationship thread was talking about just the one cover with the mysterious "kiss". The threads, as you can clearly see in the poll, were decided to be made to talk about everything relating to the titles, including cover images, and it was voted on and accepted by the posters and even the mods. So don't throw a hissyfit just because you weren't there when it happened..

Again, if you feel as though you're the only "authorized person" to create threads, then you're wrong. Creating a poll asking you to be the main person to create a plethora of threads denotes selfishness in itself. Think about it.... Even if people were okay with the idea... Think about how selfish that concept sounds. You create these threads, then you supply all the media coverage from various sources to appease these people. That sounds like a dictatorship if you ask me. You could have easily asked people to create specific "Official" threads, rather than elect, or have people elect YOU to create these threads... But did you do that?........ No.


And who said that had attitude? Like I've said I don't know how many times already, I've treated you the same way as I've treated anyone else around here when something like that comes up. It's not my fault you got your panties in a bunch and misconstrued that as giving you attitude. And I never demanded a link, the only time I mentioned a link was as an example to back things up..

Anytime you tell people to back up their claim, it's gthe choice of words that comes off as having an attitude. Maybe you should have chosen a different "vocabulary" (choice of words) when you wanted that source from me.


Like someone else here said:
You're acting like asking for proof is some huge crime. What, did mommy and daddy give you everything you wanted without asking questions? That would probably explain a LOT going on here.

You monopolizing practically every thread in this forum, and supplying practically all the media coverage "explains" quite a bit in itself. :dry:

[Specter313]

I never said that. What I said, was that if you're going to post information about adjectiveless X-Men, then that should be it. And nothing in that article should relate to any other title. The things you post have relevance to other titles and shouldn't belong in titles without that thread title.

And again, you're fishing for justification to your arguement... I already posted in the very next thread where I got my information from... Just drop it okay.

Again, WHEN have I ever done that? You keep saying I do stuff but you never give specific examples. If anyone's fishing for anyone around here, that would be you trying to make me look like the bad guy.


A handful of people out of the thousands of members here.... Good job. Hope you feel vindicated now. :whatever:

Yes, because every single member of the SHH forum comes here. :whatever:


You "share the knowledge" when you post the link in the first place, so there is no need to paste the same information. And besides, you actually DID NOT post ALL of the information when you first created that "The 07' X-Events" thread, because the Endangered Species picure you posted is missing it's synopsis. Oh, and by the way.... YOU DIDN'T POST A LINK on where you got it from.

You see the little blurb underneath the picture in the first post? That would be the synopsis, genius. And that's all that went into that post because that's all the info we had at the time. Jeez, do you even think this stuff out before you type?

Again, if you feel as though you're the only "authorized person" to create threads, then you're wrong. Creating a poll asking you to be the main person to create a plethora of threads denotes selfishness in itself. Think about it.... Even if people were okay with the idea... Think about how selfish that concept sounds. You create these threads, then you supply all the media coverage from various sources to appease these people. That sounds like a dictatorship if you ask me. You could have easily asked people to create specific "Official" threads, rather than elect, or have people elect YOU to create these threads... But did you do that?........ No.

And here you go, yet again, quoting things I have never said. Look, if you have to make up things that I've supposedly said, that should tell you that you are grasping at straws here.

And yes, it's completely selfish to make the board easier to read. :whatever: And did you even bother to read the whole thing, or just take a quick glance until you found something else you could ***** about? Because you just said that I said I would supply every single piece of media coverage, when I said NOTHING of the sort. The only thing I said that I alone would do is keep the initial posts updated as the series continued, which is what I alone could do because no one else can edit my posts besides mods, and they have enough on their plate than to come and edit some random posts once in awhile. People can and have put up whatever articles they want in the respective threads.

And again, do you even think before you post? "You could have easily asked people to create specific "Official" threads, rather than elect, or have people elect YOU to create these threads" What the hell kind of sense does that make? I came up with the idea, why would I then force it on other people to take time away from other posts they want to make instead of taking the time out of my day to put the posts together myself. THAT would be selfish, to come up with the idea and make everyone else do the work. Again, think before you speak.

Anytime you tell people to back up their claim, it's gthe choice of words that comes off as having an attitude. Maybe you should have chosen a different "vocabulary" (choice of words) when you wanted that source from me.

Again, you aren't making sense. Based on what you just said right there, no matter what I said, asking to back something up would have yielded the exact same reaction from you no matter what choice of words I used because you'd still accuse me of "attitude" just because I asked in the first place. Pick as side and stick to it.

You monopolizing practically every thread in this forum, and supplying practically all the media coverage "explains" quite a bit in itself. :dry:

The only thing it "explains" is that I'm trying to help the board and keep everyone in the know. No one else has a problem with it except you, so that should tell you something about how childish this attitude of yours is.

[gothicFLAVOURS]

Well, since you two are making us part of this discussion, I'm giving my opinion. I'm really grateful to Specter (I don't know him at all, just his posts around here) for posting all the covers and new info (I like that he posts the actual interview, i hate opening new links) about all the titles I'm reading because it's pretty hard to keep up with everything and I'd like him to continue doing that, when I see a new post from him I always think there's new info about my comics. So thanks a lot. I don't really consider he has a god complex or anything (like I read in one of the previous posts), after all he's wasting his time posting all those things for us. Aside from that, I don't know any of you, so I'll shut my mouth because it's not of my business.

Regarding issue #199, I really liked it. It showed a darker Rogue and I loved that. The art was pretty confusing sometimes, but good (better than Ramos' anyways). I'm really looking forward #200.

[OutcryX]

i also appreciate when Specter 313 posts all the information he finds regarding the X..or anything else here at the forum. makes it quite convenient that I dont have to try and find all the damn different sites myself. that and i prefer the boards here over say..newsarama

that said

I enjoy ProfeZZor X 's posts as well. Basically I'm an X-whore and will welcome any information on my favorite characters and comics.

[JustABill]

Lay off Specter313 or you'll get layed on. :cmad:

http://www.ccds.charlotte.nc.us/History/Japan/03/singer/koni2.jpg

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Jesus...

This is insane. Let it go, guys.

Prof called it right but had no source she could publish/link to. That's pretty much all there was to it. Relax.

[JustABill]

Yes, but you don't make accusations and especially against one of my buddies. >_<

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Yes, but you don't make accusations and especially against one of my buddies. >_<

To be honest, I've lost track of who's been throwing tantrums/arguments a while back.

All I remember is Prof called it about Gambit on the cover and had rights to an "I told you so" post, no matter how immature.

You win some, you lose some.

[JustABill]

Yes, and I have no problem with that. I have no problem with him getting info and posting it if it's right.

But I DO have a problem when he starts putting words in my friends mouths.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Yes, and I have no problem with that. I have no problem with him getting info and posting it if it's right.

But I DO have a problem when he starts putting words in my friends mouths.

Just so we're on the same page...

WHICH of the two is your pal?

[JustABill]

Spec. See my Sumo Wrestler post.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Right. My bad.

Still think Prof was entitled to one "I Told You So" post, but am declaring neutrality on this one. :wow:

This has escalated so quick and so ugly it's not even funny.

[Canemacar]

Let's get back on topic:

The Marauders are here and people are going to get hurt. Discuss.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

The arc better be as bloody good as Mike says it is.

Seriously. I'd be pissed if *that* huge of a cast was involved in a lackluster arc.

[Specter313]

Jesus...

This is insane. Let it go, guys.

Prof called it right but had no source she could publish/link to. That's pretty much all there was to it. Relax.

I don't care if he didn't have a link, all that happened is I asked where it came from, and he blew up. All he had to say was "I saw it in an advance copy" or whatever, and that would have been the end of it. The same thing happened with Cane when he posted spoilers about the end of the Uncanny arc. I asked where it came from, he said from advanced spoilers or whatever it was, and it ended right there. This only escalated due to his childish behavior and baseless accusations against me, which I don't take kindly to.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Fair enough.

I take it you missed my post about me declaring neutrality, eh? ;)

[Specter313]

Fair enough.

I take it you missed my post about me declaring neutrality, eh? ;)

No, I didn't, I just also saw the thing where you said you lost track of it all so I'd just explain how it all started. ;)

[Havok83]

Let's get back on topic:

The Marauders are here and people are going to get hurt. Discuss.
I wonder what the Maurarders purpose will be. I never did get their purpose after the Mutant Massacre. They just seem to fight with no clear reason for doing so, except that Sinister tells them to

[Canemacar]

I wonder what the Maurarders purpose will be. I never did get their purpose after the Mutant Massacre. They just seem to fight with no clear reason for doing so, except that Sinister tells them to

I think thats part of what makes them so fearsome. They fight only because Sinister told them to; they have no other purpose.

[Havok83]

I think thats part of what makes them so fearsome. They fight only because Sinister told them to; they have no other purpose.
probably why I never could get into them. I like my villians to have a goal, motivation or purpose. Their first appearance with killing off hte Morlocks was clear and defined as was hunting Madelyne down but after that, I never saw a point to them

And why is Exodus rolling with them? I thought he just reformed the Acolytes. Aside from his time with Magneto, he is more of a leader and doesnt seem to be oen to follow others and doesnt look like he's leading the Maurarders

[Canemacar]

probably why I never could get into them. I like my villians to have a goal, motivation or purpose. Their first appearance with killing off hte Morlocks was clear and defined as was hunting Madelyne down but after that, I never saw a point to them

They're like a team of Terminators; all they do is kill. They have no purpose, motivation, or desire to do anything but find their target and kill it. Not even death can stop them; they'll just keep coming until they've hunted you to the ends of the Earth.

And why is Exodus rolling with them? I thought he just reformed the Acolytes. Aside from his time with Magneto, he is more of a leader and doesnt seem to be oen to follow others and doesnt look like he's leading the Maurarders

Exodus is loyal to mutantkind and no one but Sinister can fix their problem. Magneto is also MIA.

[Havok83]

They're like a team of Terminators; all they do is kill. They have no purpose, motivation, or desire to do anything but find their target and kill it. Not even death can stop them; they'll just keep coming until they've hunted you to the ends of the Earth.



Exodus is loyal to mutantkind and no one but Sinister can fix their problem. Magneto is also MIA.
I can understand that but what was the point of Carey reforming the Acolytes then?

[Canemacar]

Ummm. Because Exodus kicks ass?

[Havok83]

Ummm. Because Exodus kicks ass?
lol..okay if you say so

[El Bastardo]

The interview referred to Exodus's Acolytes as a "team within a team." So they very much are the Acolytes, and likely/obviously have different motives and such than the Marauders, who work as Can pretty much said.

As for why Exodus would pair up with Sinister, well, Sinister's probably the only guy who can help Exodus with what Exodus learned in the Annual - that there are no more mutants being created.

[iamlegend]

Why wouldn't people be sad she died?
What if she died to sacrifice her life for YOUR fav hero?
You never know. I think it's sad if she dies:csad:

Mystique's a villain at her core. She's tried to kill innocent people and X-Members before, and there's no real coming back from that. She wasn't brain-washed, it wasn't a Skrull impersonating her, and it wasn't in an alternate timeline or past life.

Hell, in the real world the X-Men wouldn't even allow her to be on the team. She's only around now because of the insanely inappropriate number of fans she picked up after the first X-Movie.

I hope she goes, and I hope she stays gone.

But for the most part, I hope they don't give her character a hero's death... She doesn't deserve one.


BY THE WAY...

About the Guthrie's possibly being at the funeral (I can't remember who posted it). Is it possible that Husk dies in one arc or another? We know Angel splits to go off and help the Hulks in his World War... Could that be the final straw that makes him a deserter?

[Canemacar]

I had a thought. Doesn't it seem a bit odd to anyone else that Warren takes Hulk's side? To me it seemed out of the blue and without a good reason. I wonder if they attached him to the WWH thing as a way of keeping him busy while this stuff with Gambit and the Marauders happens. Lord knows theres a lot of history there.

[squeekness]

It's just nice seeing Warren being used for something period. He's been painfully absent. :(

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Mystique's a villain at her core. She's tried to kill innocent people and X-Members before, and there's no real coming back from that. She wasn't brain-washed, it wasn't a Skrull impersonating her, and it wasn't in an alternate timeline or past life.

Hell, in the real world the X-Men wouldn't even allow her to be on the team. She's only around now because of the insanely inappropriate number of fans she picked up after the first X-Movie.

I hope she goes, and I hope she stays gone.

But for the most part, I hope they don't give her character a hero's death... She doesn't deserve one.


BY THE WAY...

About the Guthrie's possibly being at the funeral (I can't remember who posted it). Is it possible that Husk dies in one arc or another? We know Angel splits to go off and help the Hulks in his World War... Could that be the final straw that makes him a deserter?
Actually, Any character, IMO, deserves a heroes death. And Yes, Raven, In her character, is an evil *****, but that ***** has always, and will always care for Rogue. I would say children, but I don't know how she feels about Kurt. She had to care a little for him as she left The X-mansion when he asked her to, only to return after M-day. My point is that she would die for Rogue if need be. Bad Person, Bad Mother, but her heart is in the right place.

[Canemacar]

Actually, Any character, IMO, deserves a heroes death. And Yes, Raven, In her character, is an evil *****, but that ***** has always, and will always care for Rogue. I would say children, but I don't know how she feels about Kurt. She had to care a little for him as she left The X-mansion when he asked her to, only to return after M-day. My point is that she would die for Rogue if need be. Bad Person, Bad Mother, but her heart is in the right place.

Her efforts at the genocide of all human keeps me from being sympathetic to her right to a heroes funeral.

[iamlegend]

Actually, Any character, IMO, deserves a heroes death. And Yes, Raven, In her character, is an evil *****, but that ***** has always, and will always care for Rogue. I would say children, but I don't know how she feels about Kurt. She had to care a little for him as she left The X-mansion when he asked her to, only to return after M-day. My point is that she would die for Rogue if need be. Bad Person, Bad Mother, but her heart is in the right place.

Bad people aren't supposed to get the hero's death scene... It's normally reserved for, well... Heroes? The "redeemed villain" idea has long since become cliche in all forms of fiction, and I don't want to see it happen again. And yes, this comes from a person who's favorite character is currently siding with the Marauders...

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Bad people aren't supposed to get the hero's death scene... It's normally reserved for, well... Heroes? The "redeemed villain" idea has long since become cliche in all forms of fiction, and I don't want to see it happen again. And yes, this comes from a person who's favorite character is currently siding with the Marauders...
Gambit, I'm guessing. Either way, Dying for Rogue should put her, if not hero status, as Redeemed., Not fully, she's still a killer, crazy, evil, but she should get some sort of Respect for dying (But no one is sayng she's dying)

[iamlegend]

Gambit, I'm guessing. Either way, Dying for Rogue should put her, if not hero status, as Redeemed., Not fully, she's still a killer, crazy, evil, but she should get some sort of Respect for dying (But no one is sayng she's dying)

Alright, so she'll be one less "I owe you one" in debt to the X-Men (when she's undoubtedly resurrected) for not killing her right away when she decided to pop up at the mansion again...

We'll just have to agree to disagree here man. Otherwise we could go on like this for ages.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

And I don't have the energy. Agreed.

[Canemacar]

Gambit, I'm guessing. Either way, Dying for Rogue should put her, if not hero status, as Redeemed., Not fully, she's still a killer, crazy, evil, but she should get some sort of Respect for dying (But no one is sayng she's dying)

Giving her a funeral attended only by Rogue and possibly Nightcrawler would suffice then. Rogue might not attend a funeral of Mystique's as things are right now.

[OutcryX]

That Trevor kid would attend too. He is Destiny's grandkid and Mystique is his benefactor. She looks after him...or did...back in the 90's..when she was with X-Factor.

[Specter313]

Is it possible that Husk dies in one arc or another? We know Angel splits to go off and help the Hulks in his World War... Could that be the final straw that makes him a deserter?

I had a thought. Doesn't it seem a bit odd to anyone else that Warren takes Hulk's side? To me it seemed out of the blue and without a good reason. I wonder if they attached him to the WWH thing as a way of keeping him busy while this stuff with Gambit and the Marauders happens. Lord knows theres a lot of history there.

Actually, it's not random at all. Look up the Giant Sized Hulk one shot or whatever it was that came out last year and Incredible Hulk #103 that came out a couple weeks ago. They both talk about a story where, when Angel and Iceman were both still with the Champions, the team attacked Hulk when they thought he was going on a rampage, but in actuality he was just trying to get his cousin Jen Walters, aka She Hulk, to the hospital because her appendix had burst. And because they attacked him and delayed him, they nearly inadvertantly caused her death. As an apology, they agreed to come to his help sometime in the future should he ever need it. So, as you can see, Angel is making good on that debt now in the WWH event, though Iceman is too busy doing other things to help.

[Canemacar]

Actually, it's not random at all. Look up the Giant Sized Hulk one shot or whatever it was that came out last year and Incredible Hulk #103 that came out a couple weeks ago. They both talk about a story where, when Angel and Iceman were both still with the Champions, the team attacked Hulk when they thought he was going on a rampage, but in actuality he was just trying to get his cousin Jen Walters, aka She Hulk, to the hospital because her appendix had burst. And because they attacked him and delayed him, they nearly inadvertantly caused her death. As an apology, they agreed to come to his help sometime in the future should he ever need it. So, as you can see, Angel is making good on that debt now in the WWH event, though Iceman is too busy doing other things to help.

Yes, that's part of the set-up for giving Angel his busy-work to keep him away from the X-men.

[Specter313]

Yes, that's part of the set-up for giving Angel his busy-work to keep him away from the X-men.

It seems more like that Pak came up with plans with him and snatched him up before any of the X-folk got ideas with him. It's not like they're purposely keeping him off the books, like it's some kind of conspiracy or something.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Actually, it's not random at all. Look up the Giant Sized Hulk one shot or whatever it was that came out last year and Incredible Hulk #103 that came out a couple weeks ago. They both talk about a story where, when Angel and Iceman were both still with the Champions, the team attacked Hulk when they thought he was going on a rampage, but in actuality he was just trying to get his cousin Jen Walters, aka She Hulk, to the hospital because her appendix had burst. And because they attacked him and delayed him, they nearly inadvertantly caused her death. As an apology, they agreed to come to his help sometime in the future should he ever need it. So, as you can see, Angel is making good on that debt now in the WWH event, though Iceman is too busy doing other things to help.

I think Can's point as to do with Why on Earth it would be a good idea for him to side with Green just as he's about to go on a rampage against his family/friends???

[Havok83]

I think Can's point as to do with Why on Earth it would be a good idea for him to side with Green just as he's about to go on a rampage against his family/friends???
bc he figured its the only way he can get panel time?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

bc he figured its the only way he can get panel time?

Fair enough, lol. :woot:

Exposure... GOOD.

Limbo... BAD.

[anyjus]

So Lady Mastermind and Omega Sentinel join forces with Gambit and the Marauders. O.K. we know that Lady M is a psychopath who craves chaos, but why would Karima join up? So what will the team roster be next issue?

[Havok83]

So Lady Mastermind and Omega Sentinel join forces with Gambit and the Marauders. O.K. we know that Lady M is a psychopath who craves chaos, but why would Karima join up? So what will the team roster be next issue?
Karima makes more sense than anyone and Im glad she's finally showing her true colors. Ive always had a problem with her in this book bc she's a sentinel! Her prime focus is to hunt and kill mutants. She having a conscience simply does not make sense to me, kind of like Harmony in season 5 of Angel being good in the beginning but she backstabbed the team in the end. This doesnt exactly explain why Karima would be working alongside mutants to kill the X-men, but I guess she does it bc attacking the X-men and the mansion allows her to eliminate more, and then I can see her turning on the Maurarders.

[anyjus]

Did Karima lose her soul when she was attacked by the Hectomb? Let's face it Lady Mastermind was'nt really going to cut it as a X-Man ethier. I have a thing for telepaths, but Regan isn't really much of one to begin with.

[Canemacar]

Karima gets taken over by Malice according to an online interview Carey gave.

[anyjus]

Then who is the woman in white on the cover of #200? Emma Frost? What would the motive be? Undercover perhaps?

[Canemacar]

I'm not sure. It would be stupid to do another "Emma goes evil" story right after Torn. Besides, Gambit is already filling the role of "A-list X-man who's betrayed them but will probably return to normal by the end of the arc"

[anyjus]

Maybe it's Husk? What other blonde's do we know? Candra? Meggan? What if Malice possessed Emma Frost rather than Omega Sentinel?

[Specter313]

Maybe it's Husk? What other blonde's do we know? Candra? Meggan? What if Malice possessed Emma Frost rather than Omega Sentinel?

Candra and Meggan are both dead or essentially dead. I was still of the thought that whoever the woman in white was, was possessed by Malice, and Karima somehow got her sentinel tech hacked into by someone on the Marauders and that's what caused her to switch.

[OutcryX]

I always thought Karima was a PRIME sentinel..not Omega...unless they retconned Prime Sentinels into Omega sentinels