Official X-MEN: LEGACY Discussion Thread

[Valechan]

Because she is the blonde one on the cover of 200. She is that "Emma Frost" :(

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Why is Mystique standing with the Marauders?

Cause she joins them and become Sinister's second in command for the crossover... :wow:

[Valechan]

Which would x-plain the Dream's End storyline at LAST...

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Hopefully redeem, but oh well.

[OutcryX]

Carey has got some explaining to do. Cuz that whole 'Rogue is a badass, choosing a team full of villians proves she's a badass' thing has gone and blown up in her face. She is only left with Cannonball and Iceman standing by her and she herself is bat**** crazy.

[aaron]

oi! leave carey alone :p everything is and will work out just fine y'know.

[OutcryX]

i'm sure. i enjoy his writing. i just hope Karima comes back to the good guys. all the other traitors can stay gone

[Slant]

It is pretty great how it all blew up in her face. She practically chose a team full of Marauders. Makes her look like a complete idiot.

In fact, I'm pretty sure somethings wrong with Rogue that makes people want to go to Sinister. I mean, Sunfire, Gambit, and like half of her team are all Marauders.

[OutcryX]

She actually DID choose a team full of Marauders.

Sabretooth.....once was a Marauder

Mystique...joins the marauders and is second in command

Lady M...new marauder

Karima...new marauder...whether she wants to be one or not

[Slant]

I kinda hope Cyclops does a big "I TOLD YOU SO" before taking the X Flag from that Silvestri cover and waving it in her face.

[aaron]

i'm sure. i enjoy his writing. i just hope Karima comes back to the good guys. all the other traitors can stay gone

id say karima and remy switch sides within a couple of issues.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I kinda hope Cyclops does a big "I TOLD YOU SO" before taking the X Flag from that Silvestri cover and waving it in her face.

Would be funny, but I have this creepy feeling a stern speech will be about it. I'll have to wait before reading the one-shot tomorrow, but I gotta say, from what I've heard, Carey has some rather funny notions of what makes Cyke tick. :huh:

And just for the record, Creed isn't the only thing. Remember when Rogue went on and on about how she'd see Mystique's betrayal coming miles away and how she'd gut her open before she even can make her move? Yeah. :woot:

[emmymae]

Hey, Rogue's a cool gal. So what if she doesn't play by the old-fashioned leader book. She knows what she's doing. I'm down with it. Everyone gets to have their own opinion. You never get the final word on anything in these comics. They shouldn't kill Rogue or Cyke. I'd like to see Emma get her comeuppance. I miss Gambit a lot. I come back to the comics and he's evil. Of course you never know with him; the code name doesn't mean strategy for nothing. I never got to know Sunfire.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Hey, Rogue's a cool gal. So what if she doesn't play by the old-fashioned leader book. She knows what she's doing.

Our whole point is she doesn't. Well, not a whole lot.

The biggest things/persons she *SAID* she would take care of are Creed and Mystique. Not exactly fairing good on either front.

[emmymae]

Not everyone thinks that. You only say thay 'cuz you don't understand her. It's the feminine mystique. :cwink: The poor gal was flat out for like 2 and a half issues; what could she do? Why do I even try?

Thanks for the article, Specter. You always provide the best info.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Not everyone thinks that. You only say thay 'cuz you don't understand her. It's the feminine mystique. :cwink: The poor gal was flat out for like 2 and a half issues; what could she do? Why do I even try?

What the f**k does screwing up with the Creed/Mystique situation has to do with her being a woman on any whatsoever relevant level????

[emmymae]

I'm not even gonna try anymore. You're beating a dead horse with this one.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Gotta love how people confuse 'stating the obvious' with 'beating a dead horse', eh.

Look up the actual definition.

F****g up with Creed/Mystique is *very very* relevant with what's happening right now in the x-verse.

[Coldqueen]

...I'm a Rogue fan...

Wouldn't it be truly awesome if it was revealed that Rogue herself is a Marauder? That she's been working for Sinister this entire time?

Sorry...just an idea that came to mind...

*is going to write a fanfic now*

Hey, and, REMEMBER...

Creed and Mystique are like family. A nice interlaced, kinda twisty family. Sometimes a girl wants to give second chances to family.

Sometimes she's wrong.

I, for one, think she was wrong.

I love Rogue, but her team SUCKED ASS.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

.
Sometimes she's wrong.

I, for one, think she was wrong.

I love Rogue, but her team SUCKED ASS.

All we're saying. Well, ok, maybe Can takes it a bit further. :woot:

Hell, I *do* dig the pissed off amazon routine.

But picking a nonsensical team, acting *righteous* about it and telling off people trying to reason with her just for the hell of asserting herself was too much.

[Coldqueen]

She was grieving Gambit.

Cut the girl some slack.

*ducks the rotten tomatoes and runs from thread*

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

She was grieving Gambit.

Cut the girl some slack.

*ducks the rotten tomatoes and runs from thread*

Well, to use a relevant comparison, you didn't see Cyke running around with LETHAL VIRUSES as a coping mechanism right after Jean died, eh?

[Coldqueen]

...no, but he did go marry her clone at one of those instances.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

...no, but he did go marry her clone at one of those instances.

Still not quite in the same league as the KNOWINGLY WALKING AROUND WITH A LETHAL VIRUS thingy. :woot:

That doesn't even qualify as a nice try. :cwink:

[Canemacar]

All we're saying. Well, ok, maybe Can takes it a bit further. :woot:

Just a bit. (Like how she's a horrible person who deserves to die and burn in Hell for all eternity!!!)

:woot:

She was grieving Gambit.

Cut the girl some slack.

*ducks the rotten tomatoes and runs from thread*

Yeah, right. She certainly showed a lot of concern about Gambit while she cuddled with Pulse. :whatever:

[OutcryX]

Rogue is hot for and 'loves' anything that can get twixt her nethers without dying. She only likes gambit b/c he's cute and flirts with her. Whenever they can actually touch each other, things get messed up. Thats why she liked Mags and Pulse and Joseph...cuz she still had her don't touch sign on the door, but they came in her anyways.

Bottom line her choice for a team was questionable and non sensical from the start and like EVERYONE with common sense knew..it Blew Up in her face

not only did it blow a wad all over her but she is now even more screwed up than she was before she decided to be ms. badass and pick a team that would kill each other before attacking an enemy.

[Snikt 6]

I love Rogue....and I am sure the Carey started these arc's before the big convention to start the summers big event was even discussed. Nevertheless I think one of the "new" marauders will be a spy.....

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Rogue is hot for and 'loves' anything that can get twixt her nethers without dying. She only likes gambit b/c he's cute and flirts with her. Whenever they can actually touch each other, things get messed up. Thats why she liked Mags and Pulse and Joseph...cuz she still had her don't touch sign on the door, but they came in her anyways.

Harsh, but pretty much what was seen on pannel.


Bottom line her choice for a team was questionable and non sensical from the start and like EVERYONE with common sense knew..it Blew Up in her face

not only did it blow a wad all over her but she is now even more screwed up than she was before she decided to be ms. badass and pick a team that would kill each other before attacking an enemy.

Can't wait to see if she's gonna even bother trying to pull another 'i'm badass' routine/one-liner after the last arc. Oh, and Mystique's betrayal. That too. :woot:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Hey, and, REMEMBER...

Creed and Mystique are like family. A nice interlaced, kinda twisty family. Sometimes a girl wants to give second chances to family.

A *family* she drags around at gunpoint. Literaly, only much much worse. Second chances, eh? :woot:

No idea how I missed that one last night, but what the hell. :woot:

[Rogue's Hand]

Rogue is doing the right thing IMO.
I can't wait to see who she "accidentally" bumps into in upcoming issues :)

[OutcryX]

Rogue is doing the right thing IMO.
I can't wait to see who she "accidentally" bumps into in upcoming issues :)


doing...the..right..thing??? So instead of recruiting PROVEN heroic X-Men and X-associates for her team, she chose her evil backstabbing mother, her evil backstabbing mother's former lover(sabretooth) who has ripped through no less than THREE of your friends in the past, the daughter of one of the x-mens arch-enemies (lady M) who in her own right is as much of a threat as her father....and a human turned mutant-killing-machine(Karima) that has 'suppressed' the kill activation button...yeah...that would be the right thing to do in any accord. :whatever:

[Colossal Spoons]

^Yeah, that's all well and good but Rogue is awesome!!11!!

[OutcryX]

i never said i didn't like her. but not as a team leader..at least no so far. she's always best being a soldier and not a leader...as far as battle situations. she needs to step up in her personal life and get a grip on everything. perhaps some time away from the x-men, 6 months or so (6 years in our time)

[iamlegend]

doing...the..right..thing??? So instead of recruiting PROVEN heroic X-Men and X-associates for her team, she chose her evil backstabbing mother, her evil backstabbing mother's former lover(sabretooth) who has ripped through no less than THREE of your friends in the past, the daughter of one of the x-mens arch-enemies (lady M) who in her own right is as much of a threat as her father....and a human turned mutant-killing-machine(Karima) that has 'suppressed' the kill activation button...yeah...that would be the right thing to do in any accord. :whatever:

It's horribly pointless to argue with RH. In RH's mind, Rogue could slaughter countless children and burn down an entire continent, and it'd be okay... Hell, it'd be part of a master plan that would save humanity or something.

As long as Rogue was ROXOR while doing it.

[Colossal Spoons]

i never said i didn't like her. but not as a team leader..at least no so far. she's always best being a soldier and not a leader...as far as battle situations. she needs to step up in her personal life and get a grip on everything. perhaps some time away from the x-men, 6 months or so (6 years in our time)

I can dig that :up:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

It's horribly pointless to argue with RH. In RH's mind, Rogue could slaughter countless children and burn down an entire continent, and it'd be okay... Hell, it'd be part of a master plan that would save humanity or something.

As long as Rogue was ROXOR while doing it.

You forgot kicking puppies and beating up elderly folks with their own limbs, actually.

Loved the 'burning a continent' bit, though. :woot:

[Colossal Spoons]

Storm and Rogue need to be removed from all X-books and given their own book together.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Dude, Not kool. There already aren't many x-chicks around, and after Kitty dies, they'll be Emma and.... Emma.

[Colossal Spoons]

Way kool, because their crazy fans can all rave about the same book.

There's no shortage of X-chicks; they just need to stop shipping Polaris and Rachel off and not writing others.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Bah, Spoons wouldn't even be advocating for such a thing if those two hadn't taken drama queen to the extreme (pun intended) over the years.

[iamlegend]

Dude, Not kool. There already aren't many x-chicks around, and after Kitty dies, they'll be Emma and.... Emma.

It'd be an opportunity to promote some of the females from the New X-Men....

[Canemacar]

Yes, they need to bring in some X-women who aren't total divas. Thats one thing I liked about Psylocke she's usually pretty down to earth.

[Slant]

Dude, Not kool. There already aren't many x-chicks around, and after Kitty dies, they'll be Emma and.... Emma.
Ahahah imagine that.

They'd have one book full of guys. Not a bad idea actually, just put Cyke, Logan, Gambit, Cable, and Bishop on a book. The only females would be the nameless strippers they talk to. And there would be tons of them.

Big guns, explosions, Strippers, etc.

I'd buy that in a heartbeat. It sure beats them being whipped all the time.

[Canemacar]

Ahahah imagine that.

They'd have one book full of guys. Not a bad idea actually, just put Cyke, Logan, Gambit, Cable, and Bishop on a book. The only females would be the nameless strippers they talk to. And there would be tons of them.

Big guns, explosions, Strippers, etc.

I'd buy that in a heartbeat. It sure beats them being whipped all the time.

I'd replace Bishop with Deadpool.

Bishop would just sit in the corner of the strip club and pout. Deadpool would get a lap-dance from every stripper in the club. Simultaneously.

[iamlegend]

I'd replace Bishop with Deadpool.

Bishop would just sit in the corner of the strip club and pout. Deadpool would get a lap-dance from every stripper in the club. Simultaneously.

Well... then just add Deadpool. Bishop's attitude's towards just about everything in general is what would make him necessary to the book. He'd clash with everyone else horribly.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

You forgot Cyke scaring off the strippers with his 'this is some weird financial transaction' speech. :D

[OutcryX]

Man you guys suck, except, amazingly, iamlegend, kudos for keeping Bishop. I KNOW Bishop would totally loosen up around strippers. That is what that man needs, release, with about 10 strippers. Just let him blow his wad all over the place so he can unwind. Bishop has been around for over a decade and the only times he gets any action is with a bird chick and a computer...even though i dont really think he ever boinked Sage

[Colossal Spoons]

Yes, they need to bring in some X-women who aren't total divas. Thats one thing I liked about Psylocke she's usually pretty down to earth.

Unless Claremont is writing her; in which case she talks about herself for 32 pages.

Man you guys suck, except, amazingly, iamlegend, kudos for keeping Bishop. I KNOW Bishop would totally loosen up around strippers. That is what that man needs, release, with about 10 strippers. Just let him blow his wad all over the place so he can unwind. Bishop has been around for over a decade and the only times he gets any action is with a bird chick and a computer...even though i dont really think he ever boinked Sage

Sage is the ultra ice-queen. Poor Pete Wisdom can't even get that broad to crack a smile in NE :(

[Canemacar]

Unless Claremont is writing her; in which case she talks about herself for 32 pages.

You get that with any X-woman when Claremont's writing.

One of my favorite Psylocke quotes occurs during one of the many Phoenix storylines.

"Why does everything around here always revolve around that BLOODY BIRD?!"

[Havok83]

You get that with any X-woman when Claremont's writing.

One of my favorite Psylocke quotes occurs during one of the many Phoenix storylines.

"Why does everything around here always revolve around that BLOODY BIRD?!"
when did that happen?

[OutcryX]

that can be said for any chick claremont writes. and they could bring in Lifeguard, Marrow, Cecelia Reyes, Moonstar, Magma, Mirage, Meltdown, Jubilee, M, Siyrn, Wolfsbane, Sage, Dazzler, Polaris and whoever else i'm forgetting to be full time X-men to replace any female thats leaving. As far as those currently serving time in other books...they all bolt to play for the main team.

I am in the mindset that whether of not the New X-Men are training to be full fledged X-Men in the future...for now they are still kids..let them stay kids and in their own book. There are others that have put in waay more time that havent gotten to make the big leagues yet.

[Havok83]

Unless Claremont is writing her; in which case she talks about herself for 32 pages.



Sage is the ultra ice-queen. Poor Pete Wisdom can't even get that broad to crack a smile in NE :(
ultra ice queen would be Emma. Guess thats what happens to women when they spend to much time in hte HFC

[Colossal Spoons]

Cass Nova still puts out :o

[Havok83]

Cass Nova still puts out :o
yeah but who would want to tap that?

[Colossal Spoons]

Jamie Braddock, that dude's insane.

[OutcryX]

yeah...an old wrinkly, shriveled up female version of Xavier.....i guess an old wrinkly shriveled up female version of magneto would find her appealing

[emmymae]

It's horribly pointless to argue with RH. In RH's mind, Rogue could slaughter countless children and burn down an entire continent, and it'd be okay... Hell, it'd be part of a master plan that would save humanity or something.

As long as Rogue was ROXOR while doing it.

Hey, that's not true. I may not agree with her about Romy, but I certainly agree with her about Rogue the teamleader. There weren't too many people left, and what were they supposed to do with Mystique and Sabertooth, let them sit around the mansion and terrorize the students? They had to be put to good use and have done quite well for a bunch of meanies.

Yeah, Spoons, they keep shipping off many great ladies. I wish they'd stop doing that with Psylocke. I come back to the comics and she's not there. She's in Exiles now I believe.

I don't want Rogue gone. That would break my heart. As would not having Gambit. They're my main people. Rogue's been gone enough. I heard she was gone for a long time in the late 80's.

[OutcryX]

yeah but were you around for the late 80's? so it wouldn't count if you weren't around for it to affect you. also that was 20 years ago...its time for her to have another extended vacation

[Slant]

Hey, that's not true. I may not agree with her about Romy, but I certainly agree with her about Rogue the teamleader. There weren't too many people left, and what were they supposed to do with Mystique and Sabertooth, let them sit around the mansion and terrorize the students? They had to be put to good use and have done quite well for a bunch of meanies.

I'm pretty sure there were better candidates though. And common sense says not to put ALL the questionable characters on one team. I can understand Mystique, but the Sentinel and the Evil Chick that woke up out of a coma AND Creed.

That's asking for it.

[OutcryX]

I'm pretty sure there were better candidates though. And common sense says not to put ALL the questionable characters on one team. I can understand Mystique, but the Sentinel and the Evil Chick that woke up out of a coma AND Creed.

That's asking for it.

exactly. they should have rounded them all up, put them in a capsule and shot them into the sun

[Havok83]

I don't want Rogue gone. That would break my heart. As would not having Gambit. They're my main people. Rogue's been gone enough. I heard she was gone for a long time in the late 80's.
Rogue has consitantly been written in the X-men books since she joined way back in UXM 170 (I beleive?) The only time she was written out really was in X-treme X-men. The time in the 80s you are talking about was following the Siege Perilous. At the time the X-men were disbanded bc of the circumstances. Rogue was still written in the book. Claremont jumped from writing solo tales of her, Storm (who joined up with Gambit), Wolverine (who joined up with Jubilee and Psylocke) and Forge and Banshee. He rotated and Rogue was still there even though she wasnt with the team bc there really wasnt an actual team for about a year or so on the tile. She joined the Muir Island gang and was seen there.

[emmymae]

Like there was anyone else to stick on a team? Hey, she has Cannonball and Iceman. That has to count for something.

Nice to meet you OutcryX, I'm 25, but I only read one issue from back then and it was when I was 7. It starred Phoenix. I found that out through research on some good fan sites. If it happens, it counts. Rogue was gone for a bit more recently in Valle Soleada, back in 2002-3, I think. I course I wasn't there for that either, because I stopped reading for 11 years. (I read from 94-95 ending with AoA.)

[OutcryX]

wassup emmymae...and read havok's post, she's always been around, just not in the spotlight

[emmymae]

Yeah, I just said what I heard. I like my girl in the spotlight.

[Snikt 6]

yeah...an old wrinkly, shriveled up female version of Xavier.....i guess an old wrinkly shriveled up female version of magneto would find her appealing

..getting....ill....reading.....about...........ca ssssa....nova's...wrinkley.....ugh :dry:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Unless Claremont is writing her; in which case she talks about herself for 32 pages.

Someone should have CC write a boys-only book.

And no, not just for the sake of his life force fading fast at the mere thought. Am morbidly curious on how the thing would turn out.

[Slant]

I'd imagine it wouldn't turn out anything like the way I would do it.

They'd probably get their tails kicked every Issue.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I'd imagine it wouldn't turn out anything like the way I would do it.

They'd probably get their tails kicked every Issue.

Nah. They wouldn't have to look bad just so CC's alpha-females look good.

CC would be like: "WTF am I supposed to do with these jacka$$es if not bring them down??? Bring me an alpha female!! NOW!!!" after, what, 3 pages? :woot:

[Colossal Spoons]

Someone should have CC write a boys-only book.

And no, not just for the sake of his life force fading fast at the mere thought. Am morbidly curious on how the thing would turn out.

They'd all stand around explaining their powers to each other lol.

[anyjus]

Do we know for sure that Mystique actually becomes Sinister's lieutenant? What if she play's him.

[iamlegend]

They'd all stand around explaining their powers to each other lol.

And talk about how they all wished Rogue or Storm were around to help them out...

Hell, CC would just invent an all-female villain team to be the guys' nemesis. And they'd eat up about half of each book.

[Colossal Spoons]

Heh, indeed

[Canemacar]

And talk about how they all wished Rogue or Storm were around to help them out...

Hell, CC would just invent an all-female villain team to be the guys' nemesis. And they'd eat up about half of each book.

And there would be long, gratuitous scenes where the women subjugate the men in very thinly veiled allusions to BDSM. Also, all the women are lesbians.

[Rogue's Hand]

Hey, that's not true. I may not agree with her about Romy, but I certainly agree with her about Rogue the teamleader. There weren't too many people left, and what were they supposed to do with Mystique and Sabertooth, let them sit around the mansion and terrorize the students? They had to be put to good use and have done quite well for a bunch of meanies.

Yeah, Spoons, they keep shipping off many great ladies. I wish they'd stop doing that with Psylocke. I come back to the comics and she's not there. She's in Exiles now I believe.

I don't want Rogue gone. That would break my heart. As would not having Gambit. They're my main people. Rogue's been gone enough. I heard she was gone for a long time in the late 80's.
It's dull strategy that barely takes them anywhere by assuming
I "like" or "approve" of everything Rogue does, which is comepletely dumb to even consider.
I obviously don't agree with everything she does. For one,
I've never liked her and Gambit together so it seems to me I've disagreed
with something she's done for quite some time now.
People crawl these forum walls with dung filled words that are
supposed to phase me in some sort of way.
Once again, lame attempt. They think that because they hate
Rogue being leader that I have to sit here and agree with them.
They think that I have to "wag my tail" or respond in slave-ish terms
like "Yes massa" or "Ofcourse Boss" everytime they downtalk Rogue.
But what they fail to realize is that my skull is not hallow.
I can think for myself and I don't have to run amok in clans through out
each topic that discusses Rogue and rebuddle by dissing anyone or
anyone's favorite characters.

I simply defend her. If she did something wrong so the #U%k what!
She isn't the first or the last! And I still believe they sound rediculous
turning their boxers to thongs within seconds of hearing of
her leadership! She isn't going to be THE leader for eternity! Let the girl
get some shine! All you people freakin do is complain about her! It's
actually kinda scary how dedicated their hate towards Rogue is.
A bunch of men who sound like the all female cast of The View rambling
on and on about how bad she is at this, and how much she sucks at that?
Get real. 70% of the comments on the last few pages have totally
gone down hard on her. It's a hump that they truely have to get over.
You have your opinions about her as much as you want, but when damn
near all your post percentage is due to Rogue getting your herpes all
flaired up then I feel bad for you. I don't hate any character bad enough
to spend most of my day in her thread (or this one) bad mouthing her.
Jeesh. You'd think one of them was Cody Robbins as much crap as they
talk. There is a fine line btwn constructive criticism and just pure HATE.
Need an example? Just screen through this entire topic.

BTW, EmmyMae why don't we jump for joy at the way our fellow
Rogue fan, Mike Carey, is handling the pressed crowd anti-Rogue preachers.
I can't wait till issue # 200. It seems as each issue
goes by their blood seems to boil more and more :woot:
Would hate to see how they'd react if our dear lil' southern belle
were to touch their favorite characters. Would they make voodoo dolls
in hopes of getting rid of her? Or wait, maybe they can boycott
the X-Men books in hopes of getting her dethroned from
her leadership? LOL Who else could get all these natives wildin out like this?
Rogue, leader of the X-Men :oldrazz:

[Canemacar]

Yes, yes, everyone who disagree with you phails at life. :whatever:



Five days left until #200 comes out. I'm probably not going to get a hold of it until a day or two after it comes out since I get my comics online. Hope I'll be able to avoid spoilers until then.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Yes, yes, everyone who disagree with you phails at life. :whatever:

Actually, I thought her argument was that we were big meanies. :woot:


Five days left until #200 comes out. I'm probably not going to get a hold of it until a day or two after it comes out since I get my comics online. Hope I'll be able to avoid spoilers until then.

Actually am gonna bother buying Adjectiveless. Sounds like #200-208 will be worth my $$$, eh.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

They'd all stand around explaining their powers to each other lol.

And talk about how they all wished Rogue or Storm were around to help them out...

The later kicking in after, what, 4 panels? :D

[Rogue's Hand]

Yes, yes, everyone who disagree with you phails at life. :whatever:



Five days left until #200 comes out. I'm probably not going to get a hold of it until a day or two after it comes out since I get my comics online. Hope I'll be able to avoid spoilers until then.
Still "ignoring" me huh?
Bwahahahahaha, the irony :whatever:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

In his defense, he *did* say he'd stopped and would jump right back into the melee...

[Rogue's Hand]

In his defense, he *did* say he'd stopped and would jump right back into the melee...
Actually, I'm too lazy to go back, but he said he was going to ignore me.
I guess it's not hard to gain and clamp onto his attention span :woot:
And quit defending another grown man, it's not a good look for you
to play sidekick. I was never fond of Robin, Hutch, Rocky, or Dale.
I'm sure he'll address me when he's not "ignoring" me :oldrazz:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Actually, I'm too lazy to go back, but he said he was going to ignore me.
I guess it's not hard to gain and clamp onto his attention span :woot:
And quit defending another grown man, it's not a good look for you
to play sidekick. I was never fond of Robin, Hutch, Rocky, or Dale.
I'm sure he'll address me when he's not "ignoring" me :oldrazz:


Actually, I wasn't so much defending him as pointing out that it wasn't really ironic anymore. :woot:

[Canemacar]

Look, I know you're taking every opportunity to deride me, Hand, but you really need to step up your game. Spouting badly worded jibes and all that just doesn't cut it.

[Rogue's Hand]

Look, I know you're taking every opportunity to deride me, Hand, but you really need to step up your game. Spouting badly worded jibes and all that just doesn't cut it.
And making indecisive replies cuts it even less.
I think I liked it better when you were "ignoring" me :whatever:

[Canemacar]

"Indecisive"? What are you talking about? I wasn't weighing any options, there. Again with the horrible wording on your part. Do me a favor and check all the words you use in a dictionary before you post, just to make certain they mean what you think they mean.

[Rogue's Hand]

"Indecisive"? What are you talking about? I wasn't weighing any options, there. Again with the horrible wording on your part. Do me a favor and check all the words you use in a dictionary before you post, just to make certain they mean what you think they mean.
Great, while you're at it, look up the word "ignore" and see how well
you've used that a few posts back :woot:

[Canemacar]

...You don't listen very well, do you? I already said, days ago, that I wasn't going to bother with ignoring you any more.

Seriously. This is exactly what I'm talking about: you can't argue, or debate, worth crap.

[Rogue's Hand]

...You don't listen very well, do you? I already said, days ago, that I wasn't going to bother with ignoring you any more.

Seriously. This is exactly what I'm talking about: you can't argue, or debate, worth crap.
And you can't shaddup worth crap,
now do like Beyonce and step to the left, to the left
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[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

RH, whatever Can's about to say, you just set it up real bad... :wow:

Seriously, quoting Beyonce doesn't help with street cred... :wow:

[Canemacar]

And you can't shaddup worth crap,
now do like Beyonce and step to the left, to the left
<=======================

I'm having flashbacks to the playground at my old elementary school. Are you going to call me a stupid-face next??

[Rogue's Hand]

I'm having flashbacks to the playground at my old elementary school. Are you going to call me a stupid-face next??
Why would I compliment you like that? :huh::woot:

[Rogue's Hand]

RH, whatever Can's about to say, you just set it up real bad... :wow:

Seriously, quoting Beyonce doesn't help with street cred... :wow:
Who needs street cred responding to someone like him?
Is he a King Pin who's supposed to have some type of clout :huh:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Oh, I wasn't refering to cred *for him* specifically.

It's just that throwing in Beyonce's name in any somewhat serious debate is kinda funny. This is, after all, the woman who said in interviews she wasn't using sex to sell albums. :D

And on that note, I'm off.

[Rogue's Hand]

Oh, I wasn't refering to cred *for him* specifically.

It's just that throwing in Beyonce's name in any somewhat serious debate is kinda funny. This is, after all, the woman who said in interviews she wasn't using sex to sell albums. :D

And on that note, I'm off.
Bye Darth enjoy ur day :oldrazz:

[Canemacar]

Why would I compliment you like that? :huh::woot:

Thats a bit better. Keep it up.

Who needs street cred responding to someone like him?
Is he a King Pin who's supposed to have some type of clout :huh:

Fisk has nothing on me!:woot:

[Rogue's Hand]

Thats a bit better. Keep it up.



Fisk has nothing on me!:woot:
I'll deal with you soon enough :oldrazz:
and we'll talk about this so called "Cajun sausage"
you mentioned on the Marvel site :whatever::yay: LOL

[Canemacar]

That was the uncannyxmen site actually.

Our battle rages across the entire span of the Internet! :oldrazz:

[OutcryX]

take it to the PMs then

[Colossal Spoons]

RH, whatever Can's about to say, you just set it up real bad... :wow:

Seriously, quoting Beyonce doesn't help with street cred... :wow:

Hahahaha. Hype cred.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Well, I was rather referring to cred in any whatsoever relevant capacity.

Beyonce quotes has no place in any debate involving anything ressembling actual ideas.

[OutcryX]

Beyonce has an icredible body and her mutant ability to wiggle that ass is nutt inducing...my bad.

[Canemacar]

As fine as they are, badunkadunks have no place in a debate...Unless we're talking lap-dances!

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

You know what, ever since that Survivor music video, I just can't (never had, but it went lightyears past the point of no return at that point) take her or any of DC seriously.

Walking in a f****n forest made of STICKS and touching every single one of them?? And you expect me to take you people seriously? Get the f**k out of here. :wow:

[OutcryX]

well, maybe she enjoys a big stick.....

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

They're about as thick as bamboo stick in the video, actually.

[OutcryX]

They're about as thick as bamboo stick in the video, actually.

maybe she likes REALLY big sticks...:oldrazz:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Wait, I meant as in a fencing bamboo stick.

These things aren't exactly huge.

[OutcryX]

Wait, I meant as in a fencing bamboo stick.

These things aren't exactly huge.


....oh :csad:

still though...scantily clad beautiful singing sexxy sirens lost in a jungle, surviving, grabbing wood....yeah they were pretty obvious with the metaphor...but it was ALL about female empowerment...right?

[Canemacar]

There needs to be more female/phallus interaction in music videos.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

There needs to be more female/phallus interaction in music videos.

Oh, trust me on this one, I wasn't objecting. :woot:

Just saying they shouldn't expect me to take them seriously afterwards. :woot:

[OutcryX]

why wouldnt u take them seriously? they are only giving you want you WANT, as opposed to those girls that dont give you what you want and have you begging and pleading only to realize, after getting it, that it wasnt worth the wait afterall. i respects the former more for being upfront about it

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

why wouldnt u take them seriously? they are only giving you want you WANT, as opposed to those girls that dont give you what you want and have you begging and pleading only to realize, after getting it, that it wasnt worth the wait afterall. i respects the former more for being upfront about it

No, but that's the thing. Beyonce ISN'T. :woot:

She's said in several interviews being sexy wasn't about selling albums. It just was about, hum, being sexy. :huh:

[OutcryX]

No, but that's the thing. Beyonce ISN'T. :woot:

She's said in several interviews being sexy wasn't about selling albums. It just was about, hum, being sexy. :huh:

...oh


so all those...dances...when her butt-cleavage is on the verge of exposing all that gloriousness...is just because she likes doing it and not for the attention it gets her? oh..yeah...that makes sense:dry:

[Canemacar]

*slams fist*

Dammit man, you just don't get it! She dresses in thongs, shakes her butt-cleavage, and gropes wood because it EMPOWERS WOMEN!

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

*slams fist*

Dammit man, you just don't get it! She dresses in thongs, shakes her butt-cleavage, and gropes wood because it EMPOWERS WOMEN!

Thanks for imparting your wisdom, Sarcasmo Blaster. :woot: :woot: :woot:

[Canemacar]

Male chauvinist pigs!

[OutcryX]

OHH...Now I get it........

.......

.......

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Are we pretending your fav character isn't Gambit for the sake of roleplaying or...? :D :D :D

[Canemacar]

I'm just trying to act reproachful so the mods don't ban me for sexism (and so Queen doesn't kick me again :oldrazz:)!

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I'm just trying to act reproachful so the mods don't ban me for sexism (and so Queen doesn't kick me again :oldrazz:)!

Yeah, *I* actually earned one for you, lol. :woot:

But seriously, commenting on Beyonce's rather nonsensical *message* hardly qualifies as sexism. That would be like us laughing at the Chippendales boys if they started moaning about how it's about the art rather than their bods. Or Arnold whining about other actors taking their shirts off in flicks. :woot:

[Canemacar]

It always cracks me up when people try and talk about the artistic integrity of porn.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

To quote Dave Attel:

"How hard can it be to be a porn director??? Aaaand... suck it."

[OutcryX]

porn directors actually sometimes act as stand in for the performers when they cant...uh...perform....just useless info i thought i'd share

[Canemacar]

porn directors actually sometimes act as stand in for the performers when they cant...uh...perform....just useless info i thought i'd share


I'm suddenly considering a change in career plans.

[OutcryX]

make sure to wear condoms. they usually dont wear them in porno movies...str8 porn that is

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I'm suddenly considering a change in career plans.

Knock yourself out if you don't mind about 50 guys watching.

[OutcryX]

which leads to the performance problems of the 'actors'

[Specter313]

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IGN Comics: Let's talk about the Endangered Species one-shot briefly. What's going on here and what are you trying to establish?

Mike Carey: Well, I guess it's sad to say that we've been building towards this moment for a long time. Certainly since I came aboard X-Men I've been trying to head in this direction. I know that Ed Brubaker on Uncanny has been doing something similar.

So, what is Endangered Species? It is, if you like, the calm before the storm. It also contains the essence of the storm to come. It's the X-Men, we represent all of them here through selected characters, coming to terms with the fact of their own extinction, the fact that they are already past the point where they are viable as a species. No matter what they do, no matter what scheme they concoct, they are already past the point where they can actually resurrect themselves as a species. They're just not genetically viable anymore. And this special is a representation of all the different teams thinking about that situation and reacting to it in characteristic ways.

IGN Comics: Did you devise the special itself or was this something being developed prior to your arrival?

Carey: It's not even possible for me to answer that. The amazing truth is that the creative process in the X-Office is a really organic thing. I think the idea for the one-shot came from me originally, but I couldn't swear to that. We've known since January 2006 that we were heading towards this big crossover, towards the big X-Men event at the end of 2007, and we were talking about how we wanted to get to that point.

The idea of doing Endangered Species extras, the ones added to the books, came up around June 2006, at my second X-Summit. The idea of doing a one-shot leading into that more extended story came retroactively out of that. What we wanted was a book that would not be focused predominantly on action, a book which would look at the characters and restate the big themes. Ultimately it would be a very, very simple story with a very strong emotional core. It's about life and death. It's about staring death in the face - what do you do at that moment, when you realize your own survival is on the line?

IGN Comics: You mentioned the creative process in the X-Office being fairly unique. Can you elaborate for us a bit on why that is? How do you and Ed work with the other editors to craft what's coming up?

Carey: For all I know this might be industry standard, but for me it was the first time I had ever been in that situation. I was invited to pitch for X-Men. I put together a proposal about where I would take the team, the characters I would like to use and the arcs I would like to set up. The next thing I know I was being flown out to New York. We're at this creative retreat with all the writers on the core X-books and all the editors in the X-Office as well as all the senior editorial staff at Marvel. And we're talking about what we're going to do in the next year, where do we think the franchise is going. I'd never come across a situation like that before. It's a situation where you have two dozen people in a room and it's just thrown open. Put your ideas on the table, talk about other people's ideas and fight it out. It was really exciting and really liberating. It was curiously different from anything else.

I'd never worked on a title which was part of a line that included a dozen other titles. I'd never seriously thought about how you maintain continuity in that situation, how you make sure all of the creators are moving in the same direction at the same pace. Suddenly I'm in this big think tank. It threw up some wild and exciting stuff. The thing is that Marvel does this twice a year. The writers and the X-Office does this twice a year. They meet in January and June, and everything is thrashed out. You get your chance to say you have reservations about this or suggestions about that and so on. And nobody is possessive. Nobody is aggressively defending their own particular work. It's really exciting.

IGN Comics: During the funeral you comment on the situation of the X-Men through a few key characters as you mentioned. There are many commenting overall, but I wanted to focus on a few specific players, and get your thoughts on their situation and mentality during this time. First up - Emma Frost?

Carey: Ah, Emma, yeah... I imagine what Emma would feel is very poignant and very painful. This is a character who is coming from outside the fold. She's joining the X-Men core late and, to some extent, reluctantly. She's seen the whole situation from both sides, from Xavier's dream to the Hellfire Club's commentary on that dream. I think at this stage she's quite cynical and quite bitter, in some respects, about how the greatest minds and the greatest powers in the mutant world have failed to control the situation and failed to right the agenda.

IGN Comics: In mentioning cynicism, I'm reminded of Wolverine. How would you place Wolverine in relationship to Emma? Is he just as cynical about the situation, believing they've failed? He seems like the type of character to give in to that emotion.

Carey: I think it's difficult at this stage to draw a comparison to Wolverine and anyone else, really. Wolverine, more than any other character, is alone in this. There are 190-something mutants left in the world. Logan is looking at a future where he will, because of his healing factor, be the last mutant. He's going to outlive his species. If he's cynical, I don't know… if I were him I'd be tempted to give into despair. Obviously there are aspects of his character that might save him from that, but he must be looking down a very, very bleak perspective.

IGN Comics: So two more for you… and we can just talk about them at the same time since they're both effectively leaders of their own factions. Charles Xavier and Sebastian Shaw - where do they stand?

As with many heroes these days, Charles Xavier has gone to some great lengths, on some very dark paths, to affect his vision. The same applies to Sebastian. How similar are these men?

Carey: I think if you look at Xavier, he has been, over the past year or so, through a redemptive process. We've seen some of the mistakes he's made in the past. We've seen how his arrogance, assurance and the thoughtless use of his own powers led to incredible pain for the people around him. He's seen other people pay the price for his convictions. However I don't think it's possible to imagine Xavier giving up the dream. That's going to be a darker day even than "M-Day" if Xavier gives up hope for the mutant future, for the possibility of human and mutant leaders coming together. So I think you're looking there at a man who is clinging to optimism and idealism by a ragged, ragged thread.

And then Shaw, Sebastian Shaw. Here is a man who has fought against the X-Men, tooth and claw, on many occasions, whose pragmatic agendas have clashed against Xavier's optimism. Both of them have ended up on the floor, bleeding as a result. He, more than anyone, can see into the heart of Xavier's dream; and I think from his point of view it's a hollow heart. He doesn't believe that Xavier is following a path that has any chance of success at all. So you're talking there about the dialogue between a dream and reality, between hope and despair, between the possibility of a viable future and whatever might be the alternative to that.

IGN Comics: At the very end of the issue Wolverine suggests that people just "fight to live." Should that be the new cause of mutants? Should there be something more to that or is that all that's left for them? Can the dream still be there?

Carey: I think what Wolverine is stating there is something that's true for him. It's true for everyone. At rock bottom, you don't… evolution doesn't require you to fight for your species. Evolution doesn't work on the level of the species. Evolution requires you to fight for your own life, to claw, kill and desperately thrust yourself forward into the future to save your own genetic heritage as an individual. And Wolverine's saying, "That's what we do. That's what our instinct makes us do. We fight for our own life. If something else comes out of that, then that's great." But in the end we're programmed to fight. We don't have any other option.

IGN Comics: At the end of the issue there are a couple pages featuring some lightning during a storm, which then gives way to a clear sky. Just to make sure, we're looking at something that's a metaphor for the X-Men's situation, correct? Or is this some new evil marshalling against our heroes?

Carey: -laughs- You'll have to wait and see as far as the ending goes. We're not foreshadowing anything really, just this is the conundrum. Everyone brings their baggage, their own weather with them. We'll have to see what's inspired next.

IGN Comics: Makes sense. I just had to check. -laughs- So let's move into some questions about your experience with X-Men before we talk about issue #200.

[Editor's Note: That discussion will be in Part Two of this interview, due out after the issue is released.]

What made you want to write X-Men in the first place?

Carey: Ah, geez, well… I'll tell you a story. There was a time in my teens when I stopped reading comics. It was around the time when I was doing my A-levels and my university entrance exam and so on. There just wasn't time. I think I was about 19, and I was walking past the news agents, and they had a spinner rack of comics inside the window. And there was an issue of Chris Claremont's X-Men. It was the issue in which there was a giant fist smashing down, with the X-Men scattering away from it. The only X-Man I could recognize was Cyclops. There was nobody else I knew. I thought well what's happened to the X-Men while I was looking the other direction? So I picked it up. It was Chris Claremont who drew me back into reading, loving and being passionate about comics.

So why did I want to write X-Men? Because I grew up with comics and learned to read from comics. Superhero comics were a passion for me throughout most of my youth. X-Men is the greatest franchise in comics. Somebody said to me recently, that if you look at the mythological writings of mankind, the X-Men mythos is probably the longest, most expansive text in human history. There's something like 3,000 issues out there, so some 60,000 pages, even more than that. There are lots and lots of people, and I'd count myself as one of them, who have invested a lot of emotional capital in these characters. You care about what happens to these characters. That's a huge sum of spiritual investment you might say.

IGN Comics: Any particular stories that stand out as favorites to you?

Carey: Oh my god… well, that book that I first mentioned was the book where the X-Men first meet the Starjammers. It was an incredible story, not just in terms of how it played out, but also how Claremont prepared the ground for what was to come. Pretty much from day one he was planting the seeds for that story. So when it happened you would think, "Wow! I've been waiting two years for this! I didn't realize it, but I have." Dark Phoenix, obviously. Age of Apocalypse. I wasn't reading the books religiously at that time, so it puzzled me mightily, but, Jesus, was it an exciting thing. It was an amazing achievement. I had a lot of fun with the "Mutant Massacre" storyline. Perhaps "fun" is the wrong word but it was a dark, alienating storyline. It came out of nowhere and, geez, suddenly you realize that nothing is sacred. Any character could be struck down.

IGN Comics: Have you had a chance to see all three of the films?

Carey: Let's see… I have, I have seen all three. I was going to say I've only seen the first two - I have seen all three, I just blanked the third one out of my mind.

IGN Comics: -laughs- Okay so… well, I guess that answers my follow-up about what you thought of the films… Let's shift to your run on the title then. What made you choose this particular team?

Carey: Basically I was given more or less a blank slate. I was told by [then-Marvel editor] Mike Marts that there were a few characters being fenced in by Astonishing and Uncanny, but other than that I could pretty much anyone who was available.

So I had two criteria. The first was I didn't want anyone on the team who I couldn't write. I chose people who I thought had interesting voices. Characters who I thought, "Yeah, I can write that voice. I can make that character believable." Secondly I believed that you needed a dynamic conflict within the group. So I set up a stable core for the group and an unstable core. The stable core is Rogue, Iceman and Cannonball. Three characters, who have been in the X-Men an awful long time, who have worked together for most of that time, who trust each other, who can rely on each other and who can play off each other. Each of them will have the other's back in any situation.

The unstable core is going to be Mystique, Sabretooth and Lady Mastermind. Characters who are psychotic, unreliable, unpredictable, difficult to gauge and to control. If you create a situation where you have those two dynamics working, then it almost doesn't matter what villains they're facing or what situation you put them in - they're already falling apart and in a constant state of tension. And you can play off of that. You can make storylines work off that.

[Specter313]

IGN Comics: You mentioned Rogue as being one of the stable ones and… excluding what occurs in issue #200… she seems to be anything but that. So first, can you run us through an update of where she is, particularly for those who might not be up to date? Second, and you can just tease what's ahead if necessary, but can she survive such an overwhelming physical and mental assault?

Carey: It's a valid question. Can she survive it? She's been through appalling stresses in the past. She's been in situations that, to some extent, are similar to this. There was a time, when Chris Claremont was writing her, where the personalities she had absorbed started to wake up inside her and assert themselves.

But 8 billion alien minds… the scale of it is inconceivable. And she's also got the virus, Strain 88, so she's got a physical trauma to survive as well. It's true, I said Rogue was part of the stable core, but the more I got into writing her, the more I became fascinated with her origins and with the contradictions in that character. With the way she was defined it was almost irresistible to take some of those ideas to their logical extreme and see where they landed. They're almost on the path to destruction.

Although, having said that, I have to say that I love Rogue as a character. I think that she is one of the strongest, most unique and most interesting of the X-Men. So when I say path to destruction, I wouldn't lightly throw away all of that history or take her to a new place arbitrarily. But I think there are some fascinating things to explore there. Can she survive? I don't know. Well, actually, I do know, but I'm hoping you guys don't.

IGN Comics: So, where do you get the concepts for these villains? The Hecatomb is just so out there it's fascinating to read about…

Carey: Um, bizarrely, the Hecatomb actually came about when I was working backwards from Cassandra Nova. I really wanted at one stage to bring Cassandra Nova into X-Men. This was before I realized that Joss Whedon, whose instincts are 100% sound, had already decided to bring Nova into Astonishing. I was thinking that I would like to set up a situation where a Mummadrai would come down from outer space, and this Mummadrai has come down because Cassandra Nova is here, dormant but still alive in the X-Mansion. So this Mummadrai has come to make love to her, it'd be like a Mummadrai clutch of eggs - the next generation of Mummadrai. So I was playing around with a story like that. But I got a call from Mike Marts who said, "Hi, I have some bad news for you. Joss is, um, writing a story and Cassandra is already a major element."

"…. ****."

-laughs- So I thought, well, I'm reluctant to let go of this. I had already begun to flesh out the origin for Urizen at this stage. So I thought, what else would bring Urizen to Earth? Well, maybe he's not running towards something, maybe he's running away from something. So the Hecatomb came out of that really.

IGN Comics: Stemming from the Hecatomb arc - the visual direction of this series, and Chris Bachalo's art. Is that you articulating to him what you want these concepts to look like or is that just him going in and doing his thing?

Carey: I would love to claim some of the credit for that. I hope that he finds the scripts inspiring, but Chris is Chris - Jesus - what he's doing is so wonderful. As far as the X-Men are concerned, I'm the neophyte. Chris is the guy who has been there since, forever, since Generation X. I just feel so lucky to be working with him. I think what he's been doing on the book is some of the best work he's done since those glory days of Generation X, and Hecatomb is a good example. It's sort of ethereal, immaterial but it's really terrifying.

IGN Comics: Any characters in the X-Verse that you wish you could steal from another team? Perhaps a character that you'd want to restore to utilize for your own nefarious ends?

Carey: Ooooh… that's a many-stranded question. Steal, yes. Fortunately I learned early on that you can steal if you steal subtly and no one notices. You can just write in characters that are on other teams and say, "It's okay! It's within continuity lines! They're… visiting!" That way nobody comes and arrests you. So I've been using Beast, Cyclops and Emma a lot. Characters I would love to steal, well, it's no secret that I would have loved to get Psylocke on my team. Originally I had Psylocke on the table, but Chris Claremont wanted to use her. Obviously he created her so he had the prior claim. I'm not going to argue with that. I'd still love to give her a cameo at some point. Husk, I would love to bring in. Dani Moonstar, even though she's de-powered, I think she's a really engaging character. Lana Chaney, I would like to have her come back. The thing about X-continuity is that people use the phrase "cast of thousands" rather loosely, but the X-Men does have a cast of thousands. And even in those thousands, there are hundreds that when you see them you go, "Oh! Wow! It's him! It's her!"

IGN Comics: Just a few more questions. The Endangered Species backup stories - what are you trying to show here? Can you tease us a bit?

Carey: Okay, the idea behind this is, if the Endangered Species one shot states the problem, those back up stories are showing the Beast, Hank McCoy, attempting to find a solution to that problem. Obviously this isn't a new situation. It's a situation that's been in force ever since M-Day. So we're not talking about Hank just making his preliminary investigations and rough notes. We're talking about Hank at the end of a long period, exploring every possible option.

And now he's explored all of the thinkable areas, and now he's well into the unthinkable. Is there any way to reverse the mutant extinction? Is there any way to bring homo superior back from the edge? We see him sounding out a number of possible allies. I think some of the people he approaches are obvious and others are kind of scary. How can you possibly imagine making common cause with these people? We see him actually interacting with a number of these people. It's very much dropping a line into the depths and seeing what kind of echoes come back, if there is hope. If there is hope, then where does it lie? How can you go forward from this?

IGN Comics: X-Men #200 of course kicks off "Endangered Species," but plenty happens in the main story. Can you tease us for what's coming up there? We know the Marauders and Gambit are coming back…

Carey: Without spoiling, if I think back to "Mutant Massacre," at that time I was happily and vacantly reading the X-Men. I was happily bouncing along. "Mutant Massacre" hit and it was a storyline like nothing else before. Reading it now, some 20 years on, it doesn't have the same impact, but if you read it then, it was like a punch in the stomach. You're seeing innocence being killed. You're seeing Angel being crucified. Suddenly it's like there's nothing you can hold on to. You don't know. You pick up a comic and you don't know if any of the characters you love and you've been following are going to live out the issue. It was like walking off a precipice.

Issue #200 is like my attempt to do that. It's like me throwing all the things I've been doing into the melting pot and trying to create a situation where people won't know what's coming, where they won't know what is and what isn't up for grabs. The Marauders, I think, are the scariest X-Men villain group. And it seems like ever since then, the way that they've been used, they've traded on that call without adding anything to it. But if you go back to "Mutant Massacre" you still get that same chill and fear. This is an attempt to restore the Marauders back to that height.

http://comics.ign.com/articles/798/798935p3.html

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Good stuff.

Blinded By The Light is gonna rock our socks off, isn't it?

[El Bastardo]

Carey's given reasons for wanting to write for X-Men sounds like the reasons I give people.

I love Mr. Carey even more.

And might I add that he gets TWO cookies for liking the Age of Apocalypse?

[OutcryX]

Carey is the Awesome.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Re-read the interview.

I do think Carey's writing is actually good, but, hum, what's all this stuff about a dynamic conflict??

Sure, the idea is there, but I don't recall it being that big of deal during the actual arcs so far... And seriously, mass insanity/betrayal in one arc doesn't quite qualify as an ongoing theme...

[OutcryX]

Re-read the interview.

I do think Carey's writing is actually good, but, hum, what's all this stuff about a dynamic conflict??

Sure, the idea is there, but I don't recall it being that big of deal during the actual arcs so far... And seriously, mass insanity/betrayal in one arc doesn't quite qualify as an ongoing theme...

i just love the man's enthusiasm for his job. its refreshing to have a writer who doesn't think the material is beneath him. also...the dynamic conflict..i didn't get that either...there was really no point or need to have a team thats more willing to kill each other than a common enemy..

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

also...the dynamic conflict..i didn't get that either...there was really no point or need to have a team thats more willing to kill each other than a common enemy..

I was rather refering to how little dynamic conflict there actually was.

I think my opinion on the team's roster is no secret to anyone. :woot:

Am just saying that telling one off left and right but being read MILD about it hardly qualifies as a meaningful ongoing theme. :wow:

[Snikt 6]

You know, I am impressed more and more by Carey. It is wonderful to have an X writer who actually cares about the comic.....

[Xplicit Content]

Uh oh...Karima's got spyware. I feel her pain. I think my desktop lost my latest battle with it...I've been using my laptop as my regular pc for months.

[Coldqueen]

Ahh, Gambit. How I have missed you.

[Colossal Spoons]

Awesome preview. Cable needs to kill somebody.

[OutcryX]

Looks like Gambit OWNED Cable in that preview. and you know. Karima is one pretty expensive and sophisticated piece of half girl half machine....and still she gets viruses and spyware....must be a PC and not a MAC.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Promoting Macs in a comic book would be way too ironic, really. :D

[Colossal Spoons]

Looks like Gambit OWNED Cable in that preview. and you know. Karima is one pretty expensive and sophisticated piece of half girl half machine....and still she gets viruses and spyware....must be a PC and not a MAC.

He's far from owned :cmad:

Karima needs to die already. I was feelin her in the short lived Excalibur series but not anymore.

[OutcryX]

He's far from owned :cmad:

Karima needs to die already. I was feelin her in the short lived Excalibur series but not anymore.

If only Gambit could kick Cable's arse soo badly, he go away. forever. not a Cable at all. Especially since X-Man was created and became the character Cable was supposed to be...but he's dead now.

Gambit. is. BACK!!

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Damn. Gambit is such a loser.

[The Cajun]

Blinded by the Light is going to be one arc of badass Gambit beating the snot out of people like Cable.:woot:

How can you not love it?

Also looks like Carey has toned down his accent - wise move.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Blinded by the Light is going to be one arc of badass Gambit beating the snot out of people like Cable.:woot:

Lots of us thinking 'beating the snot out of' might not even begin to cover this one... :wow: :wow: :wow:

Which *really* wouldn't help his cause if he has any inspiration of coming back with the goody-two-shoes one of these days, but oh well...

[Slant]

I'm sure an apology would just do fine. Heck, if past history is anything to go by, they might even comfort him. :)

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I'm sure an apology would just do fine. Heck, if past history is anything to go by, they might even comfort him. :)

But he's not an x-diva... Wouldn't work.

[Slant]

Worth a try.

Although you're right, he'd likely take another vacation in Antarctica.

[El Bastardo]

I've a question.

Who are the two characters in the New Orleans page?

[Canemacar]

I've a question.

Who are the two characters in the New Orleans page?

Scalphunter and Vertigo are the Marauders. The old man may be the Witness.

[Coldqueen]

I like Gambit as a non-X-Man. He's got an edge when he's an outsider that he doesn't have when he's being "good". It's like a lion in the zoo, barely any danger at all. Gambit is most entertaining when he's out and about and doing what he does.

Plus, I don't want a Gambit/Rogue hook-up. And...it's as if it's DESTINED...they will come together again.

[Canemacar]

I like Gambit as a non-X-Man. He's got an edge when he's an outsider that he doesn't have when he's being "good". It's like a lion in the zoo, barely any danger at all. Gambit is most entertaining when he's out and about and doing what he does.

I like that, but I like Gambit even more as a monthly character.

Plus, I don't want a Gambit/Rogue hook-up. And...it's as if it's DESTINED...they will come together again.

They'll be together again and angsting it up within a year. This is Marvel after all.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Worth a try.

Although you're right, he'd likely take another vacation in Antarctica.

Well, unless an x-diva vouches for him.

*waits for collective laughter*

[OutcryX]

Right, his best friend Storm, hasn't stuck up for him in the past. Gambit and Rogue will be right back to each other like flies on sh_t

[Slant]

Well, unless an x-diva vouches for him.

*waits for collective laughter*
Whats worse is that the two people who have been written to be closest to Gambit are Rogue and Storm. He need new friends. I mean, he handles the "Goddess Factor" pretty well, but its the opposite with Rogue.

[Canemacar]

Whats worse is that the two people who have been written to be closest to Gambit are Rogue and Storm.

Which makes it kinda funny that I'm a huge Gambit fan, but I can't stand either of those two.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Right, his best friend Storm, hasn't stuck up for him in the past.

Not quite during that whole trial/Antarctica thingy. :woot:

Gambit and Rogue will be right back to each other like flies on sh_t

God I hope not. Would set a rather worrying precedent for Jott... :woot:

[OutcryX]

Gambit should forever be single ...and keep adding the notches to the belt.

[Coldqueen]

...because JOTT seriously has never come together again and again and again despite all circumstances.

Pssht, Rogue and Remy are an IT couple. Of course they'll come back together again. Hate to tell you all this, but it isn't just Gambit fans that don't want to see it. Rogue fans get tired of the same angsty bull**** too. Stop pretending like he's the only character getting frakked over in this equation. He's not.

[Canemacar]

Pssht, Rogue and Remy are an IT couple. Of course they'll come back together again. Hate to tell you all this, but it isn't just Gambit fans that don't want to see it. Rogue fans get tired of the same angsty bull**** too. Stop pretending like he's the only character getting frakked over in this equation. He's not.

Gambit gets it worse. Rogue is still front and center, gets storylines that revolve around her, and is always considered a classic X-man character. Gambit gets none of that. Gambit-fans have a greater grievance with Romy.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Gambit should forever be single ...and keep adding the notches to the belt.
I agree.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

...because JOTT seriously has never come together again and again and again despite all circumstances.

It didn't happen!!! It didn't happen!!! :woot:

But seriously, though, Joe Q doesn't like Jean so we might have a break for yet another while. :woot:

Pssht, Rogue and Remy are an IT couple. Of course they'll come back together again. Hate to tell you all this, but it isn't just Gambit fans that don't want to see it. Rogue fans get tired of the same angsty bull**** too. Stop pretending like he's the only character getting frakked over in this equation. He's not.

Was that what we were going for??? :huh:

But you can't *seriously* think they both get it *EQUALLY* bad.

Here's an idea for you Let's have Rogue pull some insane(well, -er) stunt, turn pseudo-evil and send her to limbo for the next 3 years. :woot:

[Coldqueen]

...how is it Gambit is so deprived when he's had more solo-titles than Rogue ever has?

Get over it, Gambit-fans. Rogue was around before Gambit was even thought of, of course she's more "centric" than he is. She's also a BETTER CHARACTER!!!

*sticks out tongue*

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

...how is it Gambit is so deprived when he's had more solo-titles than Rogue ever has?

The whole not turning evil and not being sent to limbo thingy.


Get over it, Gambit-fans. Rogue was around before Gambit was even thought of, of course she's more "centric" than he is. She's also a BETTER CHARACTER!!!

*sticks out tongue*

Not even touching that one. :woot:

[Canemacar]

...how is it Gambit is so deprived when he's had more solo-titles than Rogue ever has?

Exhibit A: The X-men movies

Exhibit B: Ultimate Universe

Exhibit C: Evo cartoon

Exhibit D: Any comic starring the two of them since 2000 or so.

Nuff said.

Get over it, Gambit-fans. Rogue was around before Gambit was even thought of, of course she's more "centric" than he is.

And Havok was around decades before either.

She's also a BETTER CHARACTER!!!

Perhaps by the standards of badly written fan-fic.

[Slant]

Let's stop with the "my character is treated worse than yours" for now. Cuz Gambit totally wins that :)

Lets just focus on the fact that Gambits going to have a badass comback.

Exhibit A: The X-men movies

Exhibit B: Ultimate Universe

Exhibit C: Evo cartoon
Yeah, he's completely shafted in any new universe. He wasn't an X Men in any of the three. His best showing of the three was Evolution, and he only showed up after 2 seasons.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Let's stop with the "my character is treated worse than yours" for now. Cuz Gambit totally wins that :)

Lets just focus on the fact that Gambits going to have a badass comback.

Alledgedly.

[OutcryX]

I just wanna see him continue to beat the hell out of Cable....because Cable sucks

[Slant]

Alledgedly.
You're right.

He's going to be badass for at least 2 panels.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Well, I was more thinking 2-3 issues. ;)

[OutcryX]

until they neuter him and bring him back into the X-Fold

[Slant]

What exactly IS Sinister's plan anyway. I suppose we're not supposed to find out completely for a few issues, but I'm wondering how killing mutants would be beneficial.

But really, as long as its disgustingly evil I don't care much.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

What exactly IS Sinister's plan anyway. I suppose we're not supposed to find out completely for a few issues, but I'm wondering how killing mutants would be beneficial.
Join the club.

But really, as long as its disgustingly evil I don't care much.
Amen.

[Canemacar]

until they neuter him and bring him back into the X-Fold

Which is *exactly* what they did after Antarctica. Surely Marvel will learn from it's past mistakes and not repeat history!

....

*snort*

....

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Sorry, couldn't keep a straight face.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

*Joins in the laughter*

[Slant]

Join the club.
I'm just ready to see Sinister do something other than mess with the Summers. Plus I don't think Scott would mind it if he just went to killing other mutants.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Plus I don't think Scott would mind it if he just went to killing other mutants.
... What???

[Slant]

... What???
I think he'd be happy if Sinister left him alone. And you know, lay off the family members. :)

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

*Looks worriedly over at Cable*

[Canemacar]

From the looks of it, it's technically Gambit who's going after Cable, not Sinister.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

I hate limbo. Where the **** is Pulse? I really want to know.

[Slant]

I hate limbo. Where the **** is Pulse? I really want to know.
Hopefully he'll show up so Gambit can blow him up. If not, then he can stay in permanent limbo.

[Canemacar]

I hate limbo. Where the **** is Pulse? I really want to know.

Plot device character from Milligan's run. He's basically Gambit with a palette swap.

[Slant]

From the looks of it, it's technically Gambit who's going after Cable, not Sinister.
Its not real clear, is it? I mean, Scalp and Vertigo were in NO, so I assumed the Marauders weren't exactly together until later on.

[Canemacar]

Or they were just going after several target simultaneously. *shrugs* We'll know Wendsday.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

From the looks of it, it's technically Gambit who's going after Cable, not Sinister.

Well, spoilers do seem to indicate Sinister is involved if just as a shadow puppeteer for now.

[Canemacar]

He seems to do that a lot.

[Slant]

Part of me wants to see Sinister lay the pimp hand down in an actual fight.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

He better step out of the shadows quick during the crossover.

A villain cowering in the shadows, even for the sake of tactics, just isn't rad. :D

[Canemacar]

I always got the feeling that he was tremendously powerful on his own, but due to his Victorian roots, he doesn't like to dirty his hands with personal combat. I'd like to see that illustrated a bit more.

[iamlegend]

I always got the feeling that he was tremendously powerful on his own, but due to his Victorian roots, he doesn't like to dirty his hands with personal combat. I'd like to see that illustrated a bit more.

I imagine he'll throwdown with at least one X-Man... I feel like if they had Sinister actually fight he'd be a one-on-one guy... Not a Sinister vs. X-Team guy.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Still would like him to beat good guys around.

The whole concept of beating good guys is, hum, just that. :D

[Canemacar]

I'd like to see an all out war between Sinister and Apocalypse with the X-men caught in the middle. It'd be cool to see their two philosophies battle it out: Sinister's belief in cultivating potential against Apocalypse's Darwinistic beliefs.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Dunno, think the X-Men would side with Sinister real quick...

Lesser of two evils and all that.

[Canemacar]

Then have the former Horsemen be drawn to Apocalypse' side because of lingering effects of the Horsemen process(only they don't get crappy make-overs) and spin it into a mutant Civil War type thing.

[Slant]

Plus, Apocalypse has a habit of having defective horseman. The Marauders are at least loyal.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Plus, Apocalypse has a habit of having defective horseman. The Marauders are at least loyal.

One would think he'd get a clue after all this time, eh?

[Canemacar]

Thats the curse of a truly good story(in this case Warren's transformation). Afterwards, hack writers will overuse, malign, retcon, or simply butchery your story with their own lame attempts at recreating your success.

[OutcryX]

this is true. Angel got turned into a super cool Archangel character...how can we top it....hey, lets take an already super cool and popular character(granted not as popular as now) Wolverine and turn him into Death! what? power upgrade? nah, lets just give him a huge honking sword to go along with his adamantium claws and dress him as an Afghani guerilla. yeah.....except instead of Afghani, it'll be Egyptian....cuz you know, Apocalypse is Egyptian.....

[OutcryX]

Hmmm...Scott steps up...Sinister is involved...why not a super cool Sinister vs. Cyclops smackdownroyale....you know , so Wolverine can step in and take down Sinister

[Canemacar]

this is true. Angel got turned into a super cool Archangel character...how can we top it....hey, lets take an already super cool and popular character(granted not as popular as now) Wolverine and turn him into Death! what? power upgrade? nah, lets just give him a huge honking sword to go along with his adamantium claws and dress him as an Afghani guerilla. yeah.....except instead of Afghani, it'll be Egyptian....cuz you know, Apocalypse is Egyptian.....

The sad thing is that was probably one of the better incarnations of that played out story.

[Spectre722]

just a thought from what i've been readin of the previews and solicits it looks like that after cable and rogue are taken out, sentinel taken over by malice, and lady m and mystique betray the team, only cannonball and iceman are left as a team, which means my boy sam is gonna step up to the plate.

[iamlegend]

just a thought from what i've been readin of the previews and solicits it looks like that after cable and rogue are taken out, sentinel taken over by malice, and lady m and mystique betray the team, only cannonball and iceman are left as a team, which means my boy sam is gonna step up to the plate.

I thought the implication from the solicits was that Cannonball and Iceman weren't stepping up to the plate... They were fleeing to get help, THEN trying to take the fight to the Marauders.

[bengan]

Its not real clear, is it? I mean, Scalp and Vertigo were in NO, so I assumed the Marauders weren't exactly together until later on.
Well, Mike Carey stated in an interview over at IGN (cant find it right now, Im sick and helpless :P) that the Marauders would do a serie of bad things to the X-men and thet they would only understand afterwards that theres a larger picture.

[Specter313]

Marvel Comics' (http://marvel.com/) “X-Men” series will reach its milestone 200 th issue on June 27 th , but writer Mike Carey isn't celebrating by throwing his cast of characters a party. Instead, he's pitting them against a reformed and revitalized line-up of the Marauders, one of the most fearsome teams of villains ever to lock horns with the disciples of Charles Xavier. CBR News spoke with Carey about his plans for “X-Men” #200.


The X-Men running up against the Marauders in issue #200 will be bruised and battered, but not just physically. The events of “Condition Critical,” the previous storyline that wrapped with issue #199, have left the team at their lowest emotional point. “Even their victories turn into catastrophes,” Carey told CBR News.

One such catastrophe was the damage done to team leader Rogue's psyche when her powers were significantly altered; making her one of the most dangerous mutants in the Marvel Universe. Carey explained, “One touch from her is instant death, and she's hanging onto sanity by a very slender thread.”
Another character who went through significant power changes in both “Condition Critical” and recent issues of “Cable & Deadpool” was Cable. A psychic union with an alien parasite called the Mummadrai restored Cable's lost telepathy and telekinesis powers, but when that union ended Cable indicated that he no longer had his telepathy, although it's unclear if the telekinetic abilities he's retained are mental or technology-based. “In the story there isn't a definitive answer,” Carey said. “The Mummadrai has changed his nervous system and the way it works. Whether any of those changes turn out to be permanent is a question that hasn't been answered yet.”

Cable was dealt a devastating blow in the “Condition Critical” and “Fractured” storylines. Providence, the island nation Cable created as part of his mission to build a better world (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10978#), was almost completely destroyed and many of its citizens killed. The destruction of Providence will continue to affect Cable and the X-Men in both “X-Men” and “Cable & Deadpool.” “It's a situation that continues to be significant,” Carey stated. “You haven't seen the end of that yet.


“It was very poignant. I love what Fabian [Nicieza] did with those character beats in ‘Cable & Deadpool,'” Carey continued. “It is a tragedy for Cable. It's like by choosing to throw in his lot with the X-Men again he's had to sacrifice an awful lot of what has been his defining project.”

While Cable and Rogue were experiencing power alterations and psychic and emotional devastation in “Condition Critical,” another pair of X-Men were experiencing some significant emotions. Iceman AKA Bobby Drake kissed fellow teammate Mystique, raising many readers' eyebrows. As to what exactly Bobby sees in the often treacherous shape shifter, Mike Carey remarked, “Well I guess she is gorgeous in a strange, exotic way. Obviously he doesn't trust her because as he says, ‘You would have to be insane to trust her.' In the heat of battle, yeah they exchange a kiss but in the heat of battle you do strange things. When your life is on the line things look different. Again that's a situation that's going to become central to the next couple of issues.”
Mystique's feelings towards Bobby are similarly complicated. “We never know with Mystique. She's so fractured a personality,” Carey explained. “We've been having this discussion on my blog site about how powers become personality. Mystique has spent so much of her life being other people that I don't think she is truly aware of the wellsprings of her own emotions and motivations anymore; or at least I don't think she's always aware of them. In the case of her feelings for Bobby or her plans for Bobby there is a payoff shortly.”

The four-part story beginning in “X-Men” #200 is called “Blinded by the Light,” a title which Carey assured is more than poetic circumlocution. “It's an actual description of something that is taking place within the story,” Carey explained. “We have the Marauders making a move not just against the X-Men but against a number of targets, which long time readers will recognize. It's not clear why. It's not clear what the targets have in common. It's not clear what the Marauders' agenda is.

“The X-Men not only have to survive this battle, this ambush, but they also have to figure out what it is they're fighting for, what's at stake and what the Marauders are trying to do. To a very large extent they're flailing around in the dark. There seems to be no logic or rationale for what the Marauders are doing. Then slowly the rationale appears but by then we're seeing Rogue's team starting to implode to some extent. There's a very big question as to whether or not they can coordinate any kind of response to what the Marauders are doing. That's the situation that plays out in this story.”

Without revealing exactly what the Marauders' agenda is Carey indicated that to some readers the group's ultimate goal might not seem so sinister. “I think it depends very much on which side of the fence that you're standing on,” Carey explained. “Certainly there are aspects of what Sinister and Exodus are trying to do that we might expect the X-Men to sympathize with but there's always a big gap between ends and means.”

Readers who have seen the Humberto Ramos cover to “X-Men” #200 know the latest incarnation of the Marauders assembled by Sinister and Exodus includes many old school members of the team. “There's Harpoon, Riptide, Vertigo, Arclight, Scalphunter, Prism, Blockbuster, Scrambler; they're all there,” Carey said. “There's only one Marauder who won't be showing and it will be obvious why in retrospect.”


Additionally, those who've seen the Ramos cover of “X-Men” #200 may have been shocked to discover some (apparent) defections from Rogue's team. Based on the cover, it looks like Lady Mastermind and Sentinel are siding with the Marauders. “It does look like that doesn't it?” Carey laughed. “We will see the line-up of Rogue's team change spectacularly and that does mean shrinking.”
The loyalties of Lady Mastermind and Sentinel are in question for now, but the Marauders definitely have at least one ex-X-Man in their ranks, and his name is Gambit. “He has moved on from where we saw him last,” Carey explained. “You'll notice from the Ramos cover that his look has reverted. Physically he has reverted to what he used to look like before he was Death. What his state of mind is will be revealed gradually between #200-207.”

The events surrounding Gambit will almost certainly have a powerful effect on the already fragile state of mind of his former flame, Rogue. “I've got some bad news for Rogue-Gambit fans,” Carey warned. “They're not going to meet directly for quite some time. Gambit does come up against one member of the team but it's not Rogue. That meeting is going to be delayed and I hope it will be all the more powerful because of that delay. When it comes, it's going to be something pretty amazing.”

Of curse, Gambit isn't the only mutant who's been a member both of the Marauders and of the X-Men. Sabretooth has also been a member of both teams, but will he have a role to play in “Blinded by the Light?” “His fate is going to be decided,” Carey confirmed, adding, “there's not going to be any ambiguity about it but I'd rather not say any more than that at this stage. [Sabretooth] is in the most recent issue of ‘Cable & Deadpool' but yes after that you're going to see a sort of resolution – in one of the X-books – to the whole Sabretooth character arc.”

With Sinister's Marauders on the move, Rogue's team of X-Men are going to have their hands full. Fortunately, they may get some assistance from some of the other X-teams. “There will be some guest appearances from the ‘New X-Men' and the ‘Astonishing X-Men' team,” Carey stated. “You won't see the ‘Uncanny' team, ‘X-Factor', or ‘Excalibur.'” Additional X-Men may be on hand to help Rogue's team but their assistance will only be in a limited capacity. “The action in the #200-203 arc really is centered on the adjectiveless cast. It's our core cast that's most involved here. The other teams appear more in supporting roles. They are in the thick of what's going on but not to the same extent as Rogue's team.”


“Blinded by the Light” will naturally depict events at the Academy, but the storyline will mostly see Rogue's team of X-men in a variety locales. “There will be some scenes on Providence,” Carey said. “There will be some scenes in Caldecott County, Mississippi, which is as Rogue fans know where she spent her youth. There will also be some locations that are revealed along the way.”
When “Blinded by the Light” wraps with issue #203, the cast of “X-Men” will be just a short step away from the big payoff of the recently announced “Messiah Complex.” “Issue #204 will be a one off and that leads us directly into the fall cross-over,” Carey said. “So much of what we've been doing over the past year has been a series of prologues or a series of overtures; setting up the plot points and emotional points of [‘Messiah Complex'], which when it starts is going to be huge.”


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http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10978

[emmymae]

Ah'm so heartbroken. Rogue has nearly lost her mind and the mutants are toast as we know it. It's so good to see Gambit again though. I wonder what's up with him kicking Cable's tush. Him charging the doll with him being all backlit was wonderfully creepy. It really sucked not having him in the movies. He was going to get a cameo but the movie peeps realized that he deserved a real part like Beast got. Of course, movie Rogue had little to do with comic Rogue, and she was barely in the last film anyhow.

I hope one day my favorite honeys will be back together again. Too bad the Gambit and Rogue meet again scene isn't happening for a while. :csad: How are they going to get out of this extinction situation? Enough already.

[Rogue's Hand]

I just got my issue # 200 and am about to read it! OMG!!!

[OutcryX]

I cannot believe how unbelievably HOT Mystique is..and to know that she could possibly some old wrinkly crone...or a man....

[Rogue's Hand]

I just read # 200 and I must say ummmm,


and BTW, Mystique is hot! :woot:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Wait... what?

[squeekness]

^^ Please, no spoilers before the rest of us can have a chance to read it, please. :)

[bengan]

Dont spoil anything, but I think that the death will happend during this arc, and not necessarily in issue 200...

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Didn't they *specifically* said it would be during #200??

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Oh, and it's called spoiler tags.

Go for it, hon.

Really wouldn't mind *NOT* waiting 'till thursday to have a clue regarding WTF's up with Emma. Oh well.

[iamlegend]

I cannot believe how unbelievably HOT Mystique is..and to know that she could possibly some old wrinkly crone...or a man....

Eh. I'm getting tired of seeing Mystique look younger and younger every arc just so they can abuse her "hotness."

And personally, I don't see it.

[Colossal Spoons]

I just got my issue # 200 and am about to read it! OMG!!!

Jealous!

[Xplicit Content]

Oh, and it's called spoiler tags.

Go for it, hon.

Really wouldn't mind *NOT* waiting 'till thursday to have a clue regarding WTF's up with Emma. Oh well.
Yeah, what's the deal with Emma?

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

I call for spoilers

[Snikt 6]

I wish we could get it early out here in Dallas....gotta wait unitl Wednesday.......stupid Texas.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Thursday here. Stupid Ottawa. Damnit, it's not as if was overseas or anything. :D

[OutcryX]

Eh. I'm getting tired of seeing Mystique look younger and younger every arc just so they can abuse her "hotness."

And personally, I don't see it.

well....just get over it. she looks damn good. i really cant see how she can function with those floatation devices though. its like she has a food tray attached to her at all times

[iamlegend]

well....just get over it. she looks damn good. i really cant see how she can function with those floatation devices though. its like she has a food tray attached to her at all times

That's just because most of the current X-artists are obsessed with boobs. I mean... look at Lady Mastermind!

But I honestly can't see how Mystique is supposed to look hot in those panels. She looks more like a pouting 13 year old the way she's drawn.

And "just get over it" is your response? C'mon Outcry, don't go stealing the Rogue and Storm lovers' defense mechanism! :woot:

[OutcryX]

That's just because most of the current X-artists are obsessed with boobs. I mean... look at Lady Mastermind!

But I honestly can't see how Mystique is supposed to look hot in those panels. She looks more like a pouting 13 year old the way she's drawn.

And "just get over it" is your response? C'mon Outcry, don't go stealing the Rogue and Storm lovers' defense mechanism! :woot:

..soory. i just couldnt think of a valid defense other than the boobs make her hot...:csad:

[Rogue's Hand]

The issue was great, but I'm still kind of confused.
For some reason I think the fun is just about to begin
with this arc.

The fight with Gambit and Cable was everything!
I love the Cajun for being himself and as a Rogue fan,
I'm glad to see him doing his own thing. He owned.
The Marauders seem to be barging in the right way
and I cant wait to see the show down.
Even Rogue made me feel like it was 96 again :woot:

I'll leave it at that until everyone
gets their own pov :cwink:

[iamlegend]

..soory. i just couldnt think of a valid defense other than the boobs make her hot...:csad:

I understand that Mystique is considered one of the more attractive Marvel females (even if I don't see it), but I just can't get over the fact that they are making her look younger and younger by the month. I mean, she looks YOUNGER (and oddly enough Cannonball looks about 45?) than the rest of the team in that panel. I know her aging is slowed down, but DAMN.

[Xplicit Content]

Well, Mystique is a shapeshifter...it makes sense that, as a woman, she would choose to look a certain way. If anyone in the Marvel U is entitled to have huge boobs and a forever youthful look, it's Mystique...her powers basically dictate that.

[Rogue's Hand]

I understand that Mystique is considered one of the more attractive Marvel females (even if I don't see it), but I just can't get over the fact that they are making her look younger and younger by the month. I mean, she looks YOUNGER (and oddly enough Cannonball looks about 45?) than the rest of the team in that panel. I know her aging is slowed down, but DAMN.
What's even hotter is that maybe it's Mystique wanting to look like that:woot:
She doesn't need boob jobs or botox, LOL
It's all technically natural for her :cwink:

[OutcryX]

I understand that Mystique is considered one of the more attractive Marvel females (even if I don't see it), but I just can't get over the fact that they are making her look younger and younger by the month. I mean, she looks YOUNGER (and oddly enough Cannonball looks about 45?) than the rest of the team in that panel. I know her aging is slowed down, but DAMN.


well her powers do provide her with her own MAC supply of makeup. Cannonball is looking kinda rugged

[El Bastardo]

Cannonball needs a new costume.

... One that isn't invented by Crazy-ass Chris Bachalo.

[Rogue's Hand]

I like the way Sam looks. Very Brad Pitt :woot:
Not everyone has to be the pretty boy:cwink:

[Xplicit Content]

The issue was great, but I'm still kind of confused.
For some reason I think the fun is just about to begin
with this arc.

The fight with Gambit and Cable was everything!
I love the Cajun for being himself and as a Rogue fan,
I'm glad to see him doing his own thing. He owned.
The Marauders seem to be barging in the right way
and I cant wait to see the show down.
Even Rogue made me feel like it was 96 again :woot:

I'll leave it at that until everyone
gets their own pov :cwink:
You read 200, RH? What's the deal with Emma? I can understand how everyone else defected to the Marauders, but her being on the Maurader side of the cover took me by surprise.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

The Boob Squad #200. With Bobby and Sam guest-starring. Rogue, too, it would seem.

*Insert 'Bobby is gay, WTF is Carey doing' joke to point out the irony*

[iamlegend]

Well, Mystique is a shapeshifter...it makes sense that, as a woman, she would choose to look a certain way. If anyone in the Marvel U is entitled to have huge boobs and a forever youthful look, it's Mystique...her powers basically dictate that.

A. We all know the boobs thing is the artists' call. Like I said, they fit right in with Lady Mastermind's in the team panel. It's just how the females (excluding Rogue) are going to be drawn in the issue.

B. Mystique doesn't try to change her regular appearance unless she has to, or so I thought. It was part of that proud of being what I am thing...

C. Why are we even debating this? I mean, I was just commenting that the way she was drawn in that particular set of panels made her look insanely young. I wasn't attacking the character so much as the artist(s) that have depicted her as so youthful.

And yes, Cannonball looks like he's aged 20 years in a very short time.

[Rogue's Hand]

You read 200, RH? What's the deal with Emma? I can understand how everyone else defected to the Marauders, but her being on the Maurader side of the cover took me by surprise.
If you really wanna know what I think, ummmm

I think whatever is in Rogue's mind tampered with Emma while she
was in there :ninja:

And yes I read it, I have it right in front of me right now.:)

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

A. We all know the boobs thing is the artists' call. Like I said, they fit right in with Lady Mastermind's in the team panel. It's just how the females (excluding Rogue) are going to be drawn in the issue.
Refer to my previous post. :woot:

[iamlegend]

[quote=iamlegend;11982546]A. We all know the boobs thing is the artists' call. Like I said, they fit right in with Lady Mastermind's in the team panel. It's just how the females (excluding Rogue) are going to be drawn in the issue.[quote]
Refer to my previous post. :woot:

It's a shame they can't just change the title to that.

It's still not quite as bad as the cover to # 203 though... Where Lady M's actually exceed the size of of her head about two times over.

[OutcryX]

Boobs WILL save the day. mark my words

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

It's still not quite as bad as the cover to # 203 though... Where Lady M's actually exceed the size of of her head about two times over.

Will have to go check. Couldn't get over the HUGE star on Essex' forehead and how utterly LAME their big meanie faces were. :woot:

[Xplicit Content]

A. We all know the boobs thing is the artists' call. Like I said, they fit right in with Lady Mastermind's in the team panel. It's just how the females (excluding Rogue) are going to be drawn in the issue.

B. Mystique doesn't try to change her regular appearance unless she has to, or so I thought. It was part of that proud of being what I am thing...

C. Why are we even debating this? I mean, I was just commenting that the way she was drawn in that particular set of panels made her look insanely young. I wasn't attacking the character so much as the artist(s) that have depicted her as so youthful.

And yes, Cannonball looks like he's aged 20 years in a very short time.
I'm not debating, just throwing out food for thought in reponse to Mystique's appearance. Her blue skin form might be her natural appearance, but what I was commenting on was the cosmetic stuff. For example, if I was 500 pounds and a shapeshifter, I'd choose to keep my default form slim while still keeping myself looking like myself. Not saying this is the case with Mystique or that the artist doesn't control the double D factor...just saying Mystique is a character you'd expect to have a porn star body because it's her power. I'm sure Emma is jealous since she could've saved a lot of money with that power.

[iamlegend]

I'm not debating, just throwing out food for thought in reponse to Mystique's appearance. Her blue skin form might be her natural appearance, but what I was commenting on was the cosmetic stuff. For example, if I was 500 pounds and a shapeshifter, I'd choose to keep my default form slim while still keeping myself looking like myself. Not saying this is the case with Mystique or that the artist doesn't control the double D factor...just saying Mystique is a character you'd expect to have a porn star body because it's her power. I'm sure Emma is jealous since she could've saved a lot of money with that power.

I understand all of this, but I'm not accepting it as an excuse for the artist to make Mystique look 13.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

refer to *any* of my Anime/Manga ripoff comments.

[Xplicit Content]

Fair enough.

I could talk about boobs all day.:hyper:

[OutcryX]

Wow. I have passed the magical 3000 posts number! yay for I!!!!

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Congrats.

So, the boobs thing. Whose will save the day???

[iamlegend]

Congrats.

So, the boobs thing. Whose will save the day???

Well... Lady M's will be boosting the Marauder's ranks. And Karima's got all kinds of "implants" (:woot: )... and she'll be evil for a bit too. Hell, so will Mystique!

So that leaves only Rogue's boobs of death to save the X-Men.

[OutcryX]

Well... Lady M's will be boosting the Marauder's ranks. And Karima's got all kinds of "implants" (:woot: )... and she'll be evil for a bit too. Hell, so will Mystique!

So that leaves only Rogue's boobs of death to save the X-Men.


wonders if Karima has the 'fembot' effect.....

[iamlegend]

wonders if Karima has the 'fembot' effect.....

If not, Carey should definitely have Mister Sinister set her up with that modification...

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

If not, Carey should definitely have Mister Sinister set her up with that modification...

He's Sinister. Unless she's a Summers and looks like a guy, not gonna happen. :D

[anyjus]

So is Mystique really going to join the Marauders? If so I am a little disipointed. What is the deal with Emma Frost? The Marauders are taking all of the female X-Men.

[OutcryX]

He's Sinister. Unless she's a Summers and looks like a guy, not gonna happen. :D

Sinsiter does give off an evil homoerotic vibe