Official X-MEN: LEGACY Discussion Thread

[Rogue's Hand]

So is Mystique really going to join the Marauders? If so I am a little disipointed. What is the deal with Emma Frost? The Marauders are taking all of the female X-Men.
To answer your question: Yes, Mystique is with the Maurauders

[iamlegend]

He's Sinister. Unless she's a Summers and looks like a guy, not gonna happen. :D

Bah.

Well, IF Emma sides with the Marauders he can always give her a set in order to bring down Scott, no? :woot:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

So is Mystique really going to join the Marauders? If so I am a little disipointed. What is the deal with Emma Frost? The Marauders are taking all of the female X-Men.

They just wanted Bobby to stop being so confused.

Either that or it's a SLASH ROXOR!!! conspiracy.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

To answer your question

Anything on Ems?

Best guess so far is that something happens while she "scans" Rogue.

[Rogue's Hand]

Anything on Ems?

Best guess so far is that something happens while she "scans" Rogue.
Well Darth, while you guys were having your "boobatious" debate
I already stated what happens w/ Emma :cwink::yay:

[OutcryX]

They just wanted Bobby to stop being so confused.

Either that or it's a SLASH ROXOR!!! conspiracy.


well Bobby is REALLY gonna be confused now that the old hag he'd been crushing on leaves him to kill him....Northstar and Hulking on speed dial

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Ah. Found it.

It *is* rather ironic a discussion about boobs - of all things - would distract anyone from Emma talk, eh? :D

[OutcryX]

Anything on Ems?

Best guess so far is that something happens while she "scans" Rogue.

you're correct. thats what rogue's hand divulged in the spoiler tags..sorry to spoil it for anyone...like it wasnt gonna be anyways

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Northstar and Hulking on speed dial

:woot: :woot: :woot:

[iamlegend]

well Bobby is REALLY gonna be confused now that the old hag he'd been crushing on leaves him to kill him....Northstar and Hulking on speed dial

And halfway through her trying to kill him Havok will return from space and hook up with Mystique just to really grind the point home. :woot:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

ROTFLMAO.

What about Lorna? Hooking up with Gambit? :D

[iamlegend]

ROTFLMAO.

What about Lorna? Hooking up with Gambit? :D

Either that or she could just join in the Havok/Mystique fun.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Ouch. :D

[iamlegend]

Ouch. :D

And then Annie Ghaziki-whatever would drive by... Riding with Juggernaut.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Do I even wanna know who will drop by Bobby's and kiss it all better???

[iamlegend]

Do I even wanna know who will drop by Bobby's and kiss it all better???

Rogue? :woot:

[OutcryX]

Wiccan is a possibility

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Rogue? :woot:

Funny. :D

But she doesn't meet the Y chromose requirement.

[iamlegend]

Funny. :D

But she doesn't meet the Y chromose requirement.

Ah, well I figured if all three things I had previously described happened that Bobby'd just off himself. Not that I'd complain. :woot:

But if we're looking for his perfect fellow man... I guess Northstar could get to him the fastest. Though he and Beast have always been close... :oldrazz:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I totally set up that last one, didn't I???

Oh well, back to pretending. :D

[iamlegend]

I totally set up that last one, didn't I???

Oh well, back to pretending. :D

These late night conversations do tend to sprial out of control quickly... If you combined the last two "What Ifs" I've been through then Wolverine would have fathered the entire Marvel MU, Havok'd be banging Mystique and Polaris simultaneously, and Iceman would either be dead or out of the closet.

Now THAT is an idea for an alternate universe. :woot:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

You forgot the Callisto's elbow thingy in the Cyke thread.

[iamlegend]

You forgot the Callisto's elbow thingy in the Cyke thread.

I try not to think about the Cyke thread when I'm not IN the Cyke thread. It gets disturbing :woot: .

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Real quick at that, it would seem. :wow:

Oh well. I'm outta here. Shut-eye time. Take it easy.

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm def stayin away from this thread till Wed :up:

[ProfeZZor X]

Spoilerific news for you guys/gals...

Thanks to "Slugzilla", here is a brief summary:


The book starts with a subplot in New Orleans where we see a guy named Bill trying to reach someone in The Guild over the phone. He is killed in an elevator by a character I am unfamiliar with.

Rogue leads the team to the old house she and Mystique used to live in, burning all of the security devices. Iceman calls Cyclops and Emma to that location help deal with the eight billion minds Rogue has absorbed. Mystique and Iceman make love as if it their last night on Earth.

Cable is attacked on Providence by Gambit and Sunfire while Omega Sentinel attempts to repair low level damage to her systems when an urgent message comes on her computer screen. Opening the attachment causes her to be taken over by Malice.

Back in New Orleans, two figures overpower an old man and threaten to shoot him.

Gambit explains to Cable that he wants to ask Cable’s computer a question (the computer called Professor) and that question relates to the time. Gambit says that “we’re thinkin’ its one minute before dawn.” Gambit and Sunfire hurt Cable and he flees to his central command where they follow him. Cable commands the Professor computer to chase down the phrase Gambit spoke to him. Gambit and Sunfire break in to take the knowledge stored in the computer and Cable gives a command that blows the joint.

Emma goes into Rogue’s mind to see what she is up against and Hank attempts to find a cure for Rogue’s Strain 88, with her absorbing Logan’s healing factor only as a last result if nothing else works.

The X-Men are then deceived into thinking that intruders are outside. They all go except for Emma and Omega Sentinel (who is secretly being controlled by Malice) and she attacks Emma, KOing her. The X-Men can’t find anyone and Lady Mastermind reveals that is she who is the reason for the deception and the Marauders suddenly appear. A fight ensues that the X-Men are getting the worse of. Rogue hears it from her bed and joins in. During the fight, Mystique unexpectedly shoots Rogue in the chest and then gives the order for the Marauders to kill all of the X-Men.

The second story involves Beast explaining the events of House of M and M-Day to someone. At the end, we see Beast seeking the help of nine individuals on separate viewing screens to undo what was done on M-Day. He promises them important info if they would help. The individuals include MODOK, Dr. Doom, High Evolutionary, Sinister, Mojo, Arnim Zola, and three faces I don’t recognize.

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa221/SentouRyoku/mystiquebobby.jpg
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa221/SentouRyoku/gambit.jpg

[iamlegend]

Spoilerific news for you guys/gals...

Thanks to "Slugzilla", here is a brief summary:


The book starts with a subplot in New Orleans where we see a guy named Bill trying to reach someone in The Guild over the phone. He is killed in an elevator by a character I am unfamiliar with.

Rogue leads the team to the old house she and Mystique used to live in, burning all of the security devices. Iceman calls Cyclops and Emma to that location help deal with the eight billion minds Rogue has absorbed. Mystique and Iceman make love as if it their last night on Earth.

Cable is attacked on Providence by Gambit and Sunfire while Omega Sentinel attempts to repair low level damage to her systems when an urgent message comes on her computer screen. Opening the attachment causes her to be taken over by Malice.

Back in New Orleans, two figures overpower an old man and threaten to shoot him.

Gambit explains to Cable that he wants to ask Cable’s computer a question (the computer called Professor) and that question relates to the time. Gambit says that “we’re thinkin’ its one minute before dawn.” Gambit and Sunfire hurt Cable and he flees to his central command where they follow him. Cable commands the Professor computer to chase down the phrase Gambit spoke to him. Gambit and Sunfire break in to take the knowledge stored in the computer and Cable gives a command that blows the joint.

Emma goes into Rogue’s mind to see what she is up against and Hank attempts to find a cure for Rogue’s Strain 88, with her absorbing Logan’s healing factor only as a last result if nothing else works.

The X-Men are then deceived into thinking that intruders are outside. They all go except for Emma and Omega Sentinel (who is secretly being controlled by Malice) and she attacks Emma, KOing her. The X-Men can’t find anyone and Lady Mastermind reveals that is she who is the reason for the deception and the Marauders suddenly appear. A fight ensues that the X-Men are getting the worse of. Rogue hears it from her bed and joins in. During the fight, Mystique unexpectedly shoots Rogue in the chest and then gives the order for the Marauders to kill all of the X-Men.

The second story involves Beast explaining the events of House of M and M-Day to someone. At the end, we see Beast seeking the help of nine individuals on separate viewing screens to undo what was done on M-Day. He promises them important info if they would help. The individuals include MODOK, Dr. Doom, High Evolutionary, Sinister, Mojo, Arnim Zola, and three faces I don’t recognize.

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa221/SentouRyoku/mystiquebobby.jpg
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa221/SentouRyoku/gambit.jpg

Thanks Profezzor.

Oh boy, is Beast going to get himself into some trouble...

Also... Sometimes I just don't understand where certain artists are coming from when they draw their characters. Scratch the facial hair and Gambit could be a girl in that panel. :whatever:

[Slant]

Well, Bachalo used to draw an ugly bum-looking Gambit with a big nose.

I see he went the other extreme this time.

You have to admit though, its better than the death look. Sinister must have worked a miracle.

[iamlegend]

Well, Bachalo used to draw an ugly bum-looking Gambit with a big nose.

I see he went the other extreme this time.

You have to admit though, its better than the death look. Sinister must have worked a miracle.

That I suppose I can agree with.

So can we assume the Cable/Gambit/Sunfire bout is going to carry over into Cable and Deadpool? Or is it just going to get replayed?

[Slant]

I've noticed that there are absoultely no preview pages or spoiler for C/D. I don't even remember a cover.

[iamlegend]

I've noticed that there are absoultely no preview pages or spoiler for C/D. I don't even remember a cover.

There're like two preview pages in one of the threads... I can't remember which though. Maybe the Gambit discussion? Gambit's in the far background of one panel.

[ProfeZZor X]

Thanks Profezzor.

Oh boy, is Beast going to get himself into some trouble...

Also... Sometimes I just don't understand where certain artists are coming from when they draw their characters. Scratch the facial hair and Gambit could be a girl in that panel. :whatever:

I was thinking the same thing... Gambit does look a little too pretty. Moreso than Rogue herself... Now I could expect that look out of Northstar, but not Gambit...

Although its funny how Bachalo scanned in actual playing cards for the back of the ones Gambit is holding.

[iamlegend]

I was thinking the same thing... Gambit does look a little too pretty. Moreso than Rogue herself... Now I could expect that look out of Northstar, but not Gambit...

Although its funny how Bachalo scanned in actual playing cards for the back of the ones Gambit is holding.

Ugh. I didn't notice that until you said something. They look so out of place.

I hate this artist team.

[Slant]

There're like two preview pages in one of the threads... I can't remember which though. Maybe the Gambit discussion? Gambit's in the far background of one panel.
Yeah, I posted that one, but that was from a while back, and from the artist. Other than that I've seen virtually nothing about the issue. Pretty weird.

[iamlegend]

Yeah, I posted that one, but that was from a while back, and from the artist. Other than that I've seen virtually nothing about the issue. Pretty weird.

Well, there have been all those rumors about a certain someone biting the bullet... So they may be trying to keep it quiet. It supposedly comes out tomorrow.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

HEARTHROB Gambit!!!! BEWARE!!!

[ProfeZZor X]

Here are more scans, courtesty of "UncannyAsianGirl"...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v510/feeferj/X-Men/JennifersScans002-2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v510/feeferj/X-Men/JennifersScans004-3.jpg

Well, there have been all those rumors about a certain someone biting the bullet... So they may be trying to keep it quiet. It supposedly comes out tomorrow.

You mean like this?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v510/feeferj/X-Men/JennifersScans-3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v510/feeferj/X-Men/JennifersScans001-3.jpg[/QUOTE]

[bengan]

WHY...DID....YOU....DO...THAT???? #¤&"&"¤"/"/& DO NOT SPOIL ANYTHING! tHATS THE FIRST RULE HERE ON SHH!!

[iamlegend]

You mean like this?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v510/feeferj/X-Men/JennifersScans-3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v510/feeferj/X-Men/JennifersScans001-3.jpg[/quote]

Oh come on now. We know Rogue's not really dead, and even if she is, she'll be revived in time for the crossover. Carey loves her too much, and has "things planned" for her. This is just a temprorary thing.

Hell, I'm convinced Mystique shooting Rogue is going to be some horribly stupid plotline... Mystique will turn on the Marauders later and tell everyone she had to be the one to shoot Rogue because she was going to make sure her shot didn't kill her... Or something to that effect.

Either way, Rogue's not going to be "dead" for more than a few issues. I mean... Carey's already talked about his eventual meeting between her and Gambit...

OH, and by the way, THAT'S what Mystique is supposed to look like. Not that crap from the preview pages.

[bengan]

yea, I know that shes not dead, they probobly planed this all along, BUT i still dont want the ending spoiled.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Hugh.

What is with the x-gals being f****n TWINS/TRIPLETS/WHATEVER???

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

yea, I know that shes not dead, they probobly planed this all along, BUT i still dont want the ending spoiled.

Right. Mystique being a double agent to draw Sinister & his crew out.

Although there has been no indication whatsoever that Sinister was busy or that the x-men had the faintest clue. :woot:

God I hope she just took a villanous turn.

[Colossal Spoons]

Here are more scans, courtesty of "UncannyAsianGirl"...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v510/feeferj/X-Men/JennifersScans002-2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v510/feeferj/X-Men/JennifersScans004-3.jpg



You mean like this?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v510/feeferj/X-Men/JennifersScans-3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v510/feeferj/X-Men/JennifersScans001-3.jpg[/QUOTE]


Where do you know UncannyAsianGirl from?

[ProfeZZor X]

Where do you know UncannyAsianGirl from?

Lives in my area, and goes to the same comic book shop. I met her in person once.... She's a cutie pie.

... Do you know Tiff as well?

[iamlegend]

Right. Mystique being a double agent to draw Sinister & his crew out.

Although there has been no indication whatsoever that Sinister was busy or that the x-men had the faintest clue. :woot:

God I hope she just took a villanous turn.

No, no, no. Read my post... Like I said, Mystique pry shot Rogue so she could make sure it wasn't fatal... 'Cause ya' know, she's just THAT good. :whatever:

And Darth, what were you saying about twins/triplets? I missed it.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

The x-girls all f****n look alike. ;)

Short of hair/skin color & outfit, there's about no way to tell who's who. Dress them in casual clothes and nobody could tell the diff. That's baaaaad.

P.S. And it was a response to Bengan's post. ;)

[ProfeZZor X]

Oh come on now. We know Rogue's not really dead, and even if she is, she'll be revived in time for the crossover. Carey loves her too much, and has "things planned" for her. This is just a temprorary thing.

Hell, I'm convinced Mystique shooting Rogue is going to be some horribly stupid plotline... Mystique will turn on the Marauders later and tell everyone she had to be the one to shoot Rogue because she was going to make sure her shot didn't kill her... Or something to that effect.

Either way, Rogue's not going to be "dead" for more than a few issues. I mean... Carey's already talked about his eventual meeting between her and Gambit...

OH, and by the way, THAT'S what Mystique is supposed to look like. Not that crap from the preview pages.

It's been rumored that Mystique shot Rogue with a neutralizer gun, to depower her, in hopes that it will get rid of the things she's plagued with right now (sunfire powers, strain 88 & 8 billion minds). That seems like the logical solution. And... It seems right along the lines of what Mike Carey might do in his book, seeing that he did say 1) Rogue would have a pretty rough year, and 2) Someone from her team would be depowered - in past interviews.

[bengan]

im still really cranky about this -...-

[OutcryX]

So if Rogue loses her powers(hopefully) the 8 billion men inside her will just vanish? and I wonder if Mystique turned parts of her into a man for bobby

[iamlegend]

It's been rumored that Mystique shot Rogue with a neutralizer gun, to depower her, in hopes that it will get rid of the things she's plagued with right now (sunfire powers, strain 88 & 8 billion minds). That seems like the logical solution. And... It seems right along the lines of what Mike Carey might do in his book, seeing that he did say 1) Rogue would have a pretty rough year, and 2) Someone from her team would be depowered - in past interviews.

Yeah, 'cause Rogue's never ever been depowered before... :whatever:

Bah.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

It's been rumored that Mystique shot Rogue with a neutralizer gun, to depower her, in hopes that it will get rid of the things she's plagued with right now (sunfire powers, strain 88 & 8 billion minds). That seems like the logical solution.

Not if Mystique's an actual baddy, no.


And... It seems right along the lines of what Mike Carey might do in his book, seeing that he did say 1) Rogue would have a pretty rough year, and 2) Someone from her team would be depowered - in past interviews.

Carey said at the very worst moment. In what we saw, *GETTING SHOT* qualified as the worst moment. :woot:

And, hum, that wasn't even my quote. :wow:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

im still really cranky about this -...-

Seriously, if turns out to be some double double-cross, I'm dropping x-books after MC.

Rogue and Mystique are no morons (well, arguably anyway), but, seriously, those two thinking and planning 25 (or so) steps ahead??? :whatever:

Hell, I'd have some trouble buying it if it was Chuck, Cyke, Ems and Hank TOGETHER.

[OutcryX]

Mystique needs to go bad an stay bad....and killing or trying to, the only child she ever loved would go a long way towards solidifying her as a bad guy..er.girl

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Amen.

I don't mind some villains turning over a new leaf, but, come on, it's bloody Mystique. Would be as bad as Mags turning into a goody-two-sh... Oh, wait.

[iamlegend]

Amen.

I don't mind some villains turning over a new leaf, but, come on, it's bloody Mystique. Would be as bad as Mags turning into a goody-two-sh... Oh, wait.

Ah c'mon Darth! Having ALL the *kewl* villains turn over a new leaf and become semi-soft heroes (until they're faced with authority, pfft, what's that?) is ROXOR!!!!

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

:D :D :D

Seriously, I don't mind villains who stood in the gray area or were little more than puppets turning over a new leaf.

But the *brains* of the operation and closest thing to unabashed mass-murdering psychos????

ROXOR be damned. :D :D :D

[bengan]

Mystique was pure goverment evil in the begining, but shes always been kinda in the grey area for me. When we got to see all the Destinystories etc.etc.

[Colossal Spoons]

I need to get #200 so I know wtf you're all talking about! :mad::(

[bengan]

Just look at page 152, that will spoil everything for you ;)

[El Bastardo]

Couldn't the images have been put inside a spoilers tag?

I mean, not that I mind the previews that Spec posts, but he just posts previews, not, you know, the end pages of the issue.

What the content is doesn't matter. What does matter is that I opened this thread, which is NOT, mind you, the Bought/Thought thread that I expect spoilers from if I traverse, and while I didn't read the words, my eyes nonetheless scanned the pictures as I was scrolling down.

And that sucks.

At least Rogue's Hand had the common decency to not spoil anything, despite having read it earlier.

On another note, SURPRISE, I hate how Bachalo draws Gambit. I think it sucks as much as most of Bachalo's art does. He's in his "cool looking" clothes and look, and he looks stupid.

[iamlegend]

On another note, SURPRISE, I hate how Bachalo draws Gambit. I think it sucks as much as most of Bachalo's art does. He's in his "cool looking" clothes and look, and he looks stupid.

The face/hair combo is way off with Gambit. It kills the panel.

[Canemacar]

Gambit's on the cover of C+DP 42:

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/799/799249/the-weekly-gallery-june-25-2007-20070625040410135.jpg

I'll post my thoughts on #200 later except to say that Gambit-page sucks and Bachalo's back to his old tricks(shafting characters he doesn't like).

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Just for the record...

Remember how some of us called it that Carey would shove so much tragedy down Rogue's throat that anyone even thinking of her having to deal with her B.S. prior choices would come off as an a$$hole???

Eh.

[Colossal Spoons]

Gambit's on the cover of C+DP 42:

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/799/799249/the-weekly-gallery-june-25-2007-20070625040410135.jpg

I'll post my thoughts on #200 later except to say that Gambit-page sucks and Bachalo's back to his old tricks(shafting characters he doesn't like).

Wow, Sunfire too.

[Canemacar]

Just for the record...

Remember how some of us called it that Carey would shove so much tragedy down Rogue's throat that anyone even thinking of her having to deal with her B.S. prior choices would come off as an a$$hole???

Eh.

Funny you should mention that since thats what I was going to post about later. Seriously, I can understand a bit of pathos but Carey is going WAY overboard here. Rogue's personal drama is overshadowing everything when it should be a minor point considering all the big things going on right now.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Funny you should mention that since thats what I was going to post about later. Seriously, I can understand a bit of pathos but Carey is going WAY overboard here. Rogue's personal drama is overshadowing everything when it should be a minor point considering all the big things going on right now.

No, no, no.

See, that's not us using common sense to foresee the bloody thing. That's us being biased mean-spirited Rogue bashers. :whatever:

[El Bastardo]

Funny you should mention that since thats what I was going to post about later. Seriously, I can understand a bit of pathos but Carey is going WAY overboard here. Rogue's personal drama is overshadowing everything when it should be a minor point considering all the big things going on right now.

I dunno, it depends, I'd say. I've not read #200 yet, of course, and probably won't have until tomorrow evening/night - well, aside from the spoiler pages (THANKS, PROFEZZOR!) - so I'm playing the "Blind Devil's Advocate." :woot:

There's no universal way to write a team book, or even a solo book (though a team book probably has more ways to be written). I mean, at the very least, you're going to have the writers who write character-centric, or writers who write plot-centric.

Carey's more character-centric. Yeah, there is a plot that's going on outside the character, and a lot of things going on, but first and foremost the central character, the focal point, is Rogue. So, um, of course things are going to happen to her, and she's going to be in the spotlight. It's the chosen and designated path.

The Lord of the Rings Trilogy, while being about good vs. evil, while having an uber plot going on, is really very much about the friendship between Frodo and Samwise and how said friendship can pull them through the worst of things. But, then again, readers of the books and viewers of the movie complain about "too much Frodo," so. :woot:

[Canemacar]

Carey's more character-centric. Yeah, there is a plot that's going on outside the character, and a lot of things going on, but first and foremost the central character, the focal point, is Rogue. So, um, of course things are going to happen to her, and she's going to be in the spotlight. It's the chosen and designated path.

And thats the problem. It's the "X-men", not "Rogue and Friends". It grated on me with Claremont and Storm and it grates on me here too.

The Lord of the Rings Trilogy, while being about good vs. evil, while having an uber plot going on, is really very much about the friendship between Frodo and Samwise and how said friendship can pull them through the worst of things. But, then again, readers of the books and viewers of the movie complain about "too much Frodo," so. :woot:


Except instead of being the last hope for the world, Rogue's just a self-absorbed bimbo who got herself into these messes.:woot:

[iamlegend]

Carey's more character-centric. Yeah, there is a plot that's going on outside the character, and a lot of things going on, but first and foremost the central character, the focal point, is Rogue. So, um, of course things are going to happen to her, and she's going to be in the spotlight. It's the chosen and designated path.

The Lord of the Rings Trilogy, while being about good vs. evil, while having an uber plot going on, is really very much about the friendship between Frodo and Samwise and how said friendship can pull them through the worst of things. But, then again, readers of the books and viewers of the movie complain about "too much Frodo," so. :woot:

But that's the thing. Canemacar and Darth aren't overly upset by Rogue's recent run in the spotlight, and neither am I. That happens, whatever, move on.

But the problem is what Carey's doing. He's absolving Rogue of every wrong she's done by making her out to be some sort of super pity magnet. Carey's laying on the bad and writing a massive Rogue pity fest that's supposed to end in everyone seeing her as a super strong, righteous, ROXOR! character.

Blea.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Carey's more character-centric. Yeah, there is a plot that's going on outside the character, and a lot of things going on, but first and foremost the central character, the focal point, is Rogue. So, um, of course things are going to happen to her, and she's going to be in the spotlight. It's the chosen and designated path.

Goddamn Claremont for setting that bloody precedent of his.

Still, all we were saying is that all that tragedy shoved down Rogue's throat is *SO FAR* seemingly about making her prior decisions TRAGIC rather than bloody stupid.

Cheap.


The Lord of the Rings Trilogy, while being about good vs. evil, while having an uber plot going on, is really very much about the friendship between Frodo and Samwise and how said friendship can pull them through the worst of things. But, then again, readers of the books and viewers of the movie complain about "too much Frodo," so. :woot:

Poor analogy. Thing is, Frodo's a bloody poser while Sam's the actual hero. Which would mean Rogue's the poser while Sam/Bobby (hell, even Cable) are the team's true rock/foundation. :wow:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Hey, Canemacar.

Our telepathic bond now officially is a three-way. :D

[iamlegend]

Gambit's on the cover of C+DP 42:

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/799/799249/the-weekly-gallery-june-25-2007-20070625040410135.jpg

I'll post my thoughts on #200 later except to say that Gambit-page sucks and Bachalo's back to his old tricks(shafting characters he doesn't like).

So ARE we going to get the conclusion to the Gambit and Sunfire vs. Cable battle? I hope so.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Good God, that cover is HIDEOUS. :wow:

[iamlegend]

Good God, that cover is HIDEOUS. :wow:

It could be more interesting than Adjectiveless # 200 though. The preview mentioned Deadpool re-entering Cable's life... and we know both Gambit and Sunfire are around... So we could be cruising towards one helluva brawl.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Didn't Carey say something about the cavalery showing up late???

[El Bastardo]

And thats the problem. It's the "X-men", not "Rogue and Friends". It grated on me with Claremont and Storm and it grates on me here too.

ZOMG, you're right! It isn't "Rogue and Friends!" And lo and behold, I'm pretty sure I recall scenes from the serialized story that contain other characters in scenes. And, why, no, they were not all for the purpose of making Rogue look badass. :whatever:

Goddamn Claremont for setting that bloody precedent of his.

Blah. It's not Claremont. The "precedent" was set by whoever decided to branch out from whatever the "traditional" storytelling avenue and path was. It's a basis and reality of fiction writing - and, well, superhero comics are fiction writing.

As for all the other "complaints": Whatever. I'm not a fan of Rogue's, and I probably never will be. But I'm not a rabid opponent of Rogue or Carey, either, and probably therein lies the difference. :woot:

But, you know, hey. I haven't read 200 yet, so maybe my view is wrong and yours' is right. Maybe 200 will somehow miraculously change what I think.

But when I read 200, I doubt I'll see Carey shoving pity for Rogue down my throat or the throat of other characters. I haven't seen that yet. Bad stuff's happened to her. Trials, tribulations, all that. It hasn't been a peachy ride for everyone else, and it won't have been by the time this arc is up. But then again, you keep saying that all Carey's out to do is make Rogue "ROXOR!!!!!!!!!!!!one111" and I'm not seeing that, either - and it's not blissful ignorance, either.

So, whatever. You all post every two minutes, so of course you're all right. :oldrazz: <3

Poor analogy. Thing is, Frodo's a bloody poser while Sam's the actual hero. Which would mean Rogue's the poser while Sam/Bobby (hell, even Cable) are the team's true rock/foundation. :wow:

Not a poor analogy, actually, because I wasn't making an analogy of content, I was making an analogy of structure. But, gosh, you made a point - while who deserves the tag of "hero," Frodo or Sam, can be debated, what if Rogue is being made as the weak link who needs help from her friends/rocks? Why, would that blow your mind? :woot:

[ProfeZZor X]

Here is another preview of the #200 issue;

http://www.popcultureshock.com/index.php?p=42082

Here are the hi-res titled covers you'll be looking for at your local news stand tomorrow (not that you haven't seen these already):

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/X-Men200coverw.jpg
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/X-Men200coverw-1.jpg
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/X-Men200coverw-2.jpg

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Blah. It's not Claremont. The "precedent" was set by whoever decided to branch out from whatever the "traditional" storytelling avenue and path was. It's a basis and reality of fiction writing - and, well, superhero comics are fiction writing.

No. Sales went up like crazy. He got to do what he wanted for a while. Come on. :oldrazz:


But, you know, hey. I haven't read 200 yet, so maybe my view is wrong and yours' is right. Maybe 200 will somehow miraculously change what I think.But when I read 200, I doubt I'll see Carey shoving pity for Rogue down my throat or the throat of other characters. I haven't seen that yet. Bad stuff's happened to her. Trials, tribulations, all that. It hasn't been a peachy ride for everyone else, and it won't have been by the time this arc is up.

Strain 88, a coma, death touch, 8 Billions souls and getting shot in the chest by her own (sort of) mother.

Oh, and conveniently not having to deal with that Creed B.S.

The former is *kinda* beyond mere trials and tribulations. Christ, even Whedon didn't dare going even nearly that far.

And the not-happening later doesn't quite qualify as karmic retribution, eh? Havok and his 90s bad guy stunt, anyone?


But then again, you keep saying that all Carey's out to do is make Rogue "ROXOR!!!!!!!!!!!!one111" and I'm not seeing that, either - and it's not blissful ignorance, either.

See below.


Not a poor analogy, actually, because I wasn't making an analogy of content, I was making an analogy of structure. But, gosh, you made a point - while who deserves the tag of "hero," Frodo or Sam, can be debated, what if Rogue is being made as the weak link who needs help from her friends/rocks? Why, would that blow your mind? :woot:

We've actually be calling that one for a while. Thus our whole 'Why is she in charge?' rants.

[ProfeZZor X]

We've actually be calling that one for a while. Thus our whole 'Why is she in charge?' rants.

To this day, I still don't know why she is in charge of her team, when there are better suited individuals to lead it.

[iamlegend]

To this day, I still don't know why she is in charge of her team, when there are better suited individuals to lead it.

Well, LIVE WITH IT!!! :whatever:

Join the club Profezzor, join the club.

[OutcryX]

I think the Cable and Deadpool cover is quite good. Sunfire rocks where he is...and Gambit is looking kinda cool again...for now. and Rogue should have never, EVER, EVER, NEVER been given leadership of a team...I mean, Bobby with his confused ass woulda have been better suited and Cannonball as well. Then when Cable came on board it should have been his team. Soooo many leaders yet Rogue gets the gig....W...T...F???

[iamlegend]

I think the Cable and Deadpool cover is quite good. Sunfire rocks where he is...and Gambit is looking kinda cool again...for now. and Rogue should have never, EVER, EVER, NEVER been given leadership of a team...I mean, Bobby with his confused ass woulda have been better suited and Cannonball as well. Then when Cable came on board it should have been his team. Soooo many leaders yet Rogue gets the gig....W...T...F???

Eh. That argument has been spearheaded by at least half of the people that post in this thread, and everytime they get attacked by crazed Rogue fans.

While I'm no fan of the Cable and Deadpool cover myself, I'd still take the whacked out form of Gambit on there to the one we get in 200.

And I want it on record that I was the first one to say he looked like a girl.

[OutcryX]

Eh. That argument has been spearheaded by at least half of the people that post in this thread, and everytime they get attacked by crazed Rogue fans.

While I'm no fan of the Cable and Deadpool cover myself, I'd still take the whacked out form of Gambit on there to the one we get in 200.

And I want it on record that I was the first one to say he looked like a girl.


Yeah. i have been voicing this argument forever....im not scared of rogue fans. and i am trying my best to like gambit again. so throw a friggin bone here

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Eh. That argument has been spearheaded by at least half of the people that post in this thread, and everytime they get attacked by crazed Rogue fans.

'Mean-spirited big meanie Rogue bashing meanie' is our collective middle name, actually.


While I'm no fan of the Cable and Deadpool cover myself, I'd still take the whacked out form of Gambit on there to the one we get in 200.

When you look at it like that... :wow:


And I want it on record that I was the first one to say he looked like a girl.

Now, now, we wouldn't take that away from ya. :woot:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Well, LIVE WITH IT!!! :whatever:
Funny how one of Rogue's quotes would sum her defenders' arguments.

Does that make Carey a genius or something? :wow:

[OutcryX]

Sunfire, Gambit, Emma Frost and Karima will all be X-Men again at the end of this thing...perhaps lady M too

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

So far, nothing indicates Emma willingly betraying the team in BBTL...

[OutcryX]

yeah. me thinks she doesnt betray the good guys either....but the X-men will bolst their numbers with these characters at the end of the sage only for Gambit to stick around while Karima and Sunfire(again) go off into limbo

[Slant]

I kinda hope Sunfire stays a villain.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

yeah. me thinks she doesnt betray the good guys either....

She probably was on the bad guys' side just to not give away Mystique's betrayal. But then came those Messiah Complex interviews/promo pics. :whatever:


but the X-men will bolst their numbers with these characters at the end of the sage only for Gambit to stick around while Karima and Sunfire(again) go off into limbo

You're not gonna go on a 'C/D-list characters getting the shaft' rant, are ya? :woot:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I kinda hope Sunfire stays a villain.

If just for the hell of seeing the punk get smacked around, I'm all for it.

[OutcryX]

NOOOOOOO...i mean he probably will...but after all this time of not seeing him, i just will take anything i can get to look at his purdy outfit

[OutcryX]

She probably was on the bad guys' side just to not give away Mystique's betrayal. But then came those Messiah Complex interviews/promo pics. :whatever:



You're not gonna go on a 'C/D-list characters getting the shaft' rant, are ya? :woot:

well. they wouldnt BE D-listers if given proper time to shine...dammit.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I now know what x-book you'll get to write.

The X-Forgotten.

[OutcryX]

I now know what x-book you'll get to write.

The X-Forgotten.

it'll be a number one seller...if people remember to read it

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Just make sure you don't pull a Claremont by having the boys stand around and whine while the girls go beat the f**k out of some inconsequential villain.

Wait, come to think of it, would it be C/D-listers on BOTH sides of the fence???

You'd need your crew to do something big if just for the sake of cred. :D

[OutcryX]

Just make sure you don't pull a Claremont by having the boys stand around and whine while the girls go beat the f**k out of some inconsequential villain.

Wait, come to think of it, would it be C/D-listers on BOTH sides of the fence???

You'd need your crew to do something big if just for the sake of cred. :D

oh i plan on it...and c-list villains...reavers anyone? sugarman, holocaust, mutant liberation front....apocalypse..i mean...cassandra nova..i mean well u get the idea

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Have them beat Apocalypse in the first arc and then fight OLD SCHOOL Wanda and her bad luck thingy for like 5 issues. :D

[OutcryX]

Have them beat Apocalypse in the first arc and then fight OLD SCHOOL Wanda and her bad luck thingy for like 5 issues. :D

Apocalypse get taken down in the first half of the first issue then they have major problems taking down Arcade....a 20 issue major event...not to mention EPIC battle with Shinobi Shaw and Trevor Fitzroy

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

15 issues of said 20 spent walking around and muttering "Where the f**k is that ginger brat" to themselves. Oh, and the daddy jokes too, I guess.

[OutcryX]

15 issues of said 20 spent walking around and muttering "Where the f**k is that ginger brat" to themselves. Oh, and the daddy jokes too, I guess.

then after that...mojo and the X-babies...cuz they are sooo lethal and uh, dangerous

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

And I think there was an actual point to their existence.

Or something. Can't be bothered to remember.

[iamlegend]

So who are we looking at in this "X-Forgotten?" I mean, give us a roster and we can dredge up all kinds of failed character centric stories that were thrown out over the years. :woot:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Team Leader: JOSEPH!!!!!!!!

[iamlegend]

Team Leader: JOSEPH!!!!!!!!

Ah, I see what angle you're going for. That way whenever the writers need to fill pages they can just have all the other team members repeatedly discuss whether or not Joseph is REALLY Magneto. Over, and over, and over again. :woot:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I was actually going for LAME and THEN all that discussion being filler-worthy material. :D

[iamlegend]

I was actually going for LAME and THEN all that discussion being filler-worthy material. :D

Well it'd have to be lame to qualify.

But I mean, the filler's great. Cause after the characters all decided that they thought Joseph WAS Magneto, they'd proceed to do nothing about it. Until the next month's issue, when they'd talk about it again. Over, and over, and over...

Oh, and the one day he'd just get killed off and never be mentioned again.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

No, no, I meant Joseph = LAME. :D

But then again, one could argue a Joseph-related discussion would qualify as just that and... Mmm.

Yeah, let's just off him after like 10 issues by El Tigre or something.

[iamlegend]

No, no, I meant Joseph = LAME. :D

But then again, one could argue a Joseph-related discussion would qualify as just that and... Mmm.

Yeah, let's just off him after like 10 issues by El Tigre or something.

How much page time are we dedicating to the three M's? Maggot, Marrow, and Mimic?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Should we include M herself??

I'd say a couple for the three you've mentioned and minus ten for M.

And YES, that means her dying ten times over.

[iamlegend]

Should we include M herself??

I'd say a couple for the three you've mentioned and minus ten for M.

And YES, that means her dying ten times over.


I think this book has potential. :woot: I mean, you could have all kinds of crossovers and battles with the Thunderbolts, whose roster is about 75% C-List... Or worse.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

And in the series' finale, we learn all the baddies were Skrulls. :D

[iamlegend]

And in the series' finale, we learn all the baddies were Skrulls. :D

Or clones. You've got to love the novelty of clones in a C-list book that stars Joseph...

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Said clones manufactured by Joseph's long lost and never aknowledged beforehand twin. With Omega potential. And he's gonna off a team member just for kicks. Totally ROXOR.

Don't you dare ask me WHY. Such questions have no places in quite a few corners of the MU, really.

[iamlegend]

Said clones manufactured by Joseph's long lost and never aknowledged beforehand twin. With Omega potential. And he's gonna off a team member just for kicks. Totally ROXOR.

Don't you dare ask me WHY. Such questions have no places in quite a few corners of the MU, really.

Who are we kidding? The "brother" of Joseph would really just turn out to be the original Joseph.

The "Joseph" that died was actually a robot version of Magneto, pretending to be Magneto, pretending to be Xorn's OTHER brother, pretending to be Magneto, pretending to be Magneto's clone...

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Manufacted by the *REAL* Joseph himself just so he wouldn't have to deal with those C/D-list inconsequential brats.

YES, Irony is the guy's middle name.

[iamlegend]

Manufacted by the *REAL* Joseph himself just so he wouldn't have to deal with those C/D-list inconsequential brats.

YES, Irony is the guy's middle name.

There could be an entire arc detailing said robot's backstory and how it secretly played a part in the Mutant Massacre, the destruction of Genosha, and the Age of Apocalypse.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

You forgot Onslaught. Oh, wait, people try to zone that one out, don't they?

[ProfeZZor X]

Funny that you mentioned X-Babies, when Mojo was one of the panel members Beast was talking to at the end of this issue. I'd love to see some of the things relating to the X-Men's forgotten past (some things on purpose) come to light, in order to help save their species... Like Mojo's X-Babies, Doom's technology, Reed's research, High Evolutionary's theories and equasions, and so on.

[iamlegend]

You forgot Onslaught. Oh, wait, people try to zone that one out, don't they?

Most do, yes.

But I didn't think they'd need a flashback to Onslaught, since said robot was part of the X-Men at the time and fought Onslaught while pretending to be Magneto, pretending to be Xorn's OTHER brother... etc.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Funny that you mentioned X-Babies

Please. You're saying it as if we regularly went off on tangents or something. :woot:

Regarding the rest, meh, I'll wait till a few ES episodes before making my mind.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

But I didn't think they'd need a flashback to Onslaught, since said robot was part of the X-Men at the time and fought Onslaught while pretending to be Magneto, pretending to be Xorn's OTHER brother... etc.

How about a bizarre love SQUARE arc with robot Joseph thrown in??

*shudders*

[iamlegend]

How about a bizarre love SQUARE arc with robot Joseph thrown in??

*shudders*

Ah, I see potential there. Especially with this new female version of Gambit that they're working with... We could then retcon his entire history and make him a transsexual...

And we could find a spot for Gambit's doppelganger. Anyone remember it? I can't remember precisely when it was around, but it'd be a D-Lister even by "X-Forgotten's" standards.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Ah, I see potential there. Especially with this new female version of Gambit that they're working with... We could then retcon his entire history and make him a transsexual...

Rogue, Joseph, transsexual Gambit and Myst... well, pretty much the same thing as the later only with boobs most of the time.

Hot stuff indeed. If somewhat confusing.


And we could find a spot for Gambit's doppelganger. Anyone remember it? I can't remember precisely when it was around, but it'd be a D-Lister even by "X-Forgotten's" standards.
Once again... Ouch.

D-lister in X-Forgotten??? Irony doesn't even begin to cover this one. :woot:

[iamlegend]

Rogue, Joseph, transsexual Gambit and Myst... well, pretty much the same thing as the later only with boobs most of the time.

Hot stuff indeed. If somewhat confusing.


Once again... Ouch.

D-lister in X-Forgotten??? Irony doesn't even begin to cover this one. :woot:

Oh that's right... I forgot that every single character was going to get the exact same amount of page time in order to keep them all from becoming "D-List"

Thus... The exploration into robot Joseph's backstory would have to be stretched out and distributed over an immese 36 issue arc that really centers itself around the team's official "Meet and Greet." :woot:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Joseph: All right, folks, we've got about 36 issues to introduce ourselves properly since nobody is allowed to chew scenery left and right. I get a bit more dialogue as team leader, but that's about it. Now, you all get to introduce yourself. Make it count, there's lots of us.

D-Lister #1: Well, the name's *insert whatever* and I basically suck.

Joseph: Ok...

D-Lister #2: Yeah, pretty much the same thing here.

Joseph: Oh dear. 36 issues of that? Just kill my robot-self now.

:woot: :woot: :woot:

[iamlegend]

:woot: :woot: :woot:


They they could all swap stories about D-list villiains that they WATCHED other heroes fight.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Sounds promising.


D-Lister A: Remember that time Cyclops blasted El Tigre?

D-Lister B: Does anyone??

Joseph: I wish I were dead. Well, deader. Damnit.

[iamlegend]

Then there'd be how they got muscled out...



D-Lister A: I was in a coma for years, came back and joined Onslaught for no reason, got captured by Operation: Zero Tolerance, got rescued, and then just disappeard for like a decade before getting captured by some D-List villains.

D-Lister B: The Beast muscled me into joining Generation X, and then I just kind of disappeared. I tooled around for awhile, got captured, and died.

Joseph: And you over there? How'd you wind up among us?

Shadowy figure: I went into space to stop my long lost Omega level brother from destorying an alien Empire and wound up taking over for my one time long lost Dad, who got killed by my brother for very little reason. They gave me and my team a mini... But no one wanted to read it.

Joseph: Oh.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I love your mysterious guests. :D

Seriously, there's gotta be like 5 people out there interested in Vulcan's fate. Or something.

[iamlegend]

I love your mysterious guests. :D

Seriously, there's gotta be like 5 people out there interested in Vulcan's fate. Or something.

Well, if the Shadowy Figure gets captured a few times during that planned mini then his "X-Forgotten" application will be looking damn good.

And about Vulcan... You know that sometime after Messiah Complex he's going to wind up attacking the X-Men with his new Shi'ar pals (who almost no X-Fan ever wants to see again).

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Well, if the Shadowy Figure gets captured a few times during that planned mini then his "X-Forgotten" application will be looking damn good.

Will he actually need to bother with the paperwork? Shouldn't he get a free pass or something?

And about Vulcan... You know that sometime after Messiah Complex he's going to wind up attacking the X-Men with his new Shi'ar pals (who almost no X-Fan ever wants to see again).

*sigh* Yes, I know.

You know what, I don't even care if it's Scott/Alex/Rachel that offs him. Just SOMEONE.

Hell, bring Kitty back from the dead and I wouldn't bat an eyelash. Might actually go for a "You go, girl!!" for the first time in ever.

[ProfeZZor X]

Looks like both of you took up quite a few pages of dialogue late last night... I scanned through, but didn't feel like joining in. But I certainly hope you're not too tired to pick up your copies of #200 today... And if you do make it to the comic shop later on, and there weren't any copies left, that would be seriously tradgic.

[javon]

^It was THAT good? I can't get it until next week. :csad:

[iamlegend]

Looks like both of you took up quite a few pages of dialogue late last night... I scanned through, but didn't feel like joining in. But I certainly hope you're not too tired to pick up your copies of #200 today... And if you do make it to the comic shop later on, and there weren't any copies left, that would be seriously tradgic.

We could have used your input Monday night when it was decided that Mystique should simultaneously hook up with both Havok and Polaris WHILE trying to kill Iceman in the coming issues, just to really get in his head. :woot:

[OutcryX]

Dammit Darth and Legend you hijacked my team and turned into such a godawful ass kicking funny book! lets continue, shall we?

[iamlegend]

Dammit Darth and Legend you hijacked my team and turned into such a godawful ass kicking funny book! lets continue, shall we?

Ah the ideas don't start flowing until the AM hours. I'll have something, though.

[ProfeZZor X]

We could have used your input Monday night when it was decided that Mystique should simultaneously hook up with both Havok and Polaris WHILE trying to kill Iceman in the coming issues, just to really get in his head. :woot:

I still can't figure out why Iceman's powers are out of whack. I wonder WTF Mystique did to him... Did she steal his Mojo? I'll try reading it again to see if I can find more clues.

[ProfeZZor X]

^It was THAT good? I can't get it until next week. :csad:

Go back a few pages, starting on page 152, and you'll see quite a few spoilers I posted. I even have a full review posted if you feel like being fully spoiled.

[javon]

^I saw it. Looked really interesting. I don't mind being spoiled at all because I'M BROKE. One thing though, am I the only one who thinks the art is crappy?

[squeekness]

It's bachalo. You sorta have to get used to him.

[bengan]

I loved him from the start. hate ramos though....

[javon]

It's bachalo. You sorta have to get used to him.
:csad: *Curse you crossover!*

[squeekness]

I loved him from the start. hate ramos though....I can't easily tell them apart. I didn't realize they BOTH did this book until you said it. :p I think Bachalo did the Cable parts and Ramos the rest from a quick glance.

[Specter313]

Sunfire, Gambit, Emma Frost and Karima will all be X-Men again at the end of this thing...perhaps lady M too

Read back to one of the articles I posted. It stated that only two of the X-Men to jump teams will jump back to the X-Men. Emma doesn't really show any signs of switching, so her appearence on the cover was likely just a red herring like Mystique being on the one with the X-Men. Gambit and Karima will likely be the ones to switch back, because I can see Sunfire stay bad. Lady M always seems to be one who does something just for herself, so she'll likey ditch both teams by the end if she survives.

[javon]

^Good, I wouldn't mind seeing Gambit on A TEAM again.

[squeekness]

^Good, I wouldn't mind seeing Gambit on A TEAM again.Well, you guys all know I feel the same way. :D

[Specter313]

Let's review:

1) DEATH IN THE FAMILY
A member of Rogue’s team falls in the line of duty!

CAREY:“A call to arms, but arguably too late.”

Cable

2) RETURN OF THE HEROES?
Two prodigal X-Men burst back onto the scene—but whose side are they on?

CAREY: “Ever since I took over, I’ve been getting questions on one of these characters. There will be some cries of joy when they come galloping over the horizon.”

Sunfire & Gambit

3) BETRAYAL FROM WITHIN
The X-Men face the deadliest threat of all: one of their own!

CAREY: “There’s something nasty going on that’s not obvious at all and will carry on not being obvious even after the big reveal.”

Mystique and/or Lady M

4) POWER OUTAGE
One of the X-Men will lose their mutant abilities when they need them most!

CAREY: “Such a tragic beat, because of how it’s done and who is responsible.”

Iceman

5) THE MARAUDERS RETURN
Among the X-Men’s deadliest foes, these villains already caused one “Mutant Massacre”—and the timing of their comeback couldn’t be worse.

CAREY: “Who’s in? Who’s out? Don’t wait for someone else to buy the issue and tell you!”

All the old members minus Sabretooth, but plus Lady M, Mystique, and a possessed Karima.

6) TAKE THE CRAZY TRAIN
By issue’s end, an X-Man’s mind may be too far gone to salvage.

CAREY: “The darkest aspect of the issue—and my run so far.”

Rogue

7) MALICE AFORETHOUGHT!
The body-possessing Marauder claims another X-Man!

CAREY: “It’s a slightly different Malice with a new method of breaking and entering.”

Karima

8 ) X-RATED ENCOUNTER
Two members of the team get closer than ever in a decidedly adult fashion!

CAREY: “Wait until you see how this plays out.”

Iceman and Mystique, and probably what's responsible for #4.

9) THIS BUD’S FOR YOU!
An X-Man—who’s NOT named Wolverine—cracks open a cold one!

CAREY: “I’m allowed to do this, right?”

Lady M

10) UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT
The Marauders get a familiar face as their new leader!

CAREY: “The most jaw-dropping moment in the whole issue.”

Mystique

[squeekness]

But Cable didn't ....die?

[javon]

I'm missing so much :csad:

[Specter313]

But Cable didn't ....die?

He blew himself up, so I'd say that's hard to survive. :p

[squeekness]

Nevermind. I thought he did the bodyslide with Deadpool, but I was wrong. :( Somehow though... I don't think he's really gone. It's going to be one of those where the explosion happens and he got out somehow. You know it.

[Havok83]

Cable's not gone bc I heard that he's supposed to be getting his own solo series

Great issue. Could have done without Ramo's art. Cant say I feel too bad for Rogue bc thats what she gets for putting Mystique on her team

[bengan]

Wow I loved this arc. It was filled with action from the start to the end. And Im going to love Blindend by the light. thank God for Bachalo and Carey!
Ramos art was also likable in this arc, and it was good for the first time. Marauders like kickass and we got to see a swedish brand in the comics (cool). Im looking forward to the next issue like theirs no tomorrow.

And why are the Marauders killing of old cajun-guys?

the Es was really good too. the end was a good twist.

WARNING BIG SPOILERS!
i could see dr. Doom, dr Kavita Rao, Mr. Sinister, Sugerman, Pandemic, M.O.D.O.K and then theres three I dont know, but one of them could be Stryfe. Could anyone help me out on this?
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g199/ilovebengan/scan46.jpg

[ProfeZZor X]

Wow I loved this arc. It was filled with action from the start to the end. And Im going to love Blindend by the light. thank God for Bachalo and Carey!
Ramos art was also likable in this arc, and it was good for the first time. Marauders like kickass and we got to see a swedish brand in the comics (cool). Im looking forward to the next issue like theirs no tomorrow.

And why are the Marauders killing of old cajun-guys?

the Es was really good too. the end was a good twist.
i could see dr. Doom, dr Kavita Rao, Mr. Sinister, Sugerman, Pandemic, M.O.D.O.K and then theres three I dont know, but one of them could be Stryfe. Could anyone help me out on this?


Still hate me for posting those spoilers ahead of time?....

Here is the list of villains you were looking for:


1. M.O.D.O.K.
2. Dr. Doom
3. High Evolutionary
4. Mr. Sinister
5. Mojo
6. Arnim Zola
7. Sugar Man
8. Pandemic
9. Kavita Rao

[bengan]

Nah youre kinda cute in a spoilerish way ;) But I really fliped out when you gave away the ending. But what an ending :D


oh, and I edited my last pots, please help me fill my list :)

[bengan]

1. M.O.D.O.K.
2. Dr. Doom
3. High Evolutionary
4. Mr. Sinister
5. Mojo
6. Arnim Zola
7. Sugar Man
8. Pandemic
9. Kavita Rao
Now I love you, but that cant be correct. it cant be Mojo Im guessing that its this characther that you mean:http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g199/ilovebengan/scan46-1.jpg who is this mysterious..ehm..dog?

Sorry for the double post, im so tired right now that I dont know what Im doing....

[Havok83]

Still hate me for posting those spoilers ahead of time?....

Here is the list of villains you were looking for:


1. M.O.D.O.K.
2. Dr. Doom
3. High Evolutionary
4. Mr. Sinister
5. Mojo
6. Arnim Zola
7. Sugar Man
8. Pandemic
9. Kavita Rao
who the heck are 6 and 8?

[squeekness]

Cable's not gone bc I heard that he's supposed to be getting his own solo series

Great issue. Could have done without Ramo's art. Cant say I feel too bad for Rogue bc thats what she gets for putting Mystique on her teamI wouldn't mind that because :

I'd rather read Deadpool on his own. :D

[bengan]

who the heck are 6 and 8?
Ehm, number 8 was just the big bad guy in Adjectivless.
Number six if from what I understand a man living inside his own chest inside a fishbowl. he used to be a nazi, and hes a villian to the Avengers. But I almost only read X-titles, so I didnt know him either...

[El Bastardo]

Good lord, what an awesome issue.

I could have done without Bachalo's art, although, y'know, I will say that when he was drawing the fight with Sunfire, Gambit, and Cable, the art was good. The scanned playing cards were lame. So was how he drew lady-Gambit and, after that, big-nosed Gambit. Ramos draws an infinitely better looking Gambit, I'll have to say. ... So does a guy named Jon Malin, who provided some art to Cable/Deadpool #42. His art looks semi-Liefeld without being as stupid as Liefeld's, but there's a genuinely kick-ass full page Gambit picture drawn by him - with no scanned playing cards, to boot.

Getting spoilered was still lame, and I can only imagine how much more affected I would have been by the last pages, but sadly, I can't change that. Thanks tons!

Pretty much like Spec listed - though at first I thought Cannonball was the one cracking open a cold one, til I realized that what he's drinking from might be a cup as it has rather dull colors, rather than the bright and colorful eye-catching can Logan's guzzling from. Alas.

On another note, Rogue's so bonkers in this issue. I'm sorry, could we please pull over to the side of Pretentiousness Turnpike? What's sanity?

This arc has definitely started off with a bang, especially considering what's happened to Cable. (I'm not putting this in spoiler tags because others before me have not.) You know, considering it's a big event, and considering there was such synergy between X-Men 200 and C/D 42, it wouldn't surprise me if both Nicieza and Carey decided to kill Cable. ... Unless that rumor about him getting a solo series is true. In which case, either he "somehow survived," or he becomes a prick again and decides to play dead for awhile while using guerilla tactics. He's done stuff like that before, and it wouldn't surprise me. It might depend on what Nicieza decides to do with him - and I hope it's Nicieza who gets to decide.

I like how Carey writes Beast, regarding the back-up story. I don't know a few of the pics, but is the big-grin picture Mojo or Dark Beast?

[squeekness]

Good lord, what an awesome issue.

I could have done without Bachalo's art, although, y'know, I will say that when he was drawing the fight with Sunfire, Gambit, and Cable, the art was good. The scanned playing cards were lame. So was how he drew lady-Gambit and, after that, big-nosed Gambit. Ramos draws an infinitely better looking Gambit, I'll have to say. ... So does a guy named Jon Malin, who provided some art to Cable/Deadpool #42. His art looks semi-Liefeld without being as stupid as Liefeld's, but there's a genuinely kick-ass full page Gambit picture drawn by him - with no scanned playing cards, to boot.

Getting spoilered was still lame, and I can only imagine how much more affected I would have been by the last pages, but sadly, I can't change that. Thanks tons!

Pretty much like Spec listed - though at first I thought Cannonball was the one cracking open a cold one, til I realized that what he's drinking from might be a cup as it has rather dull colors, rather than the bright and colorful eye-catching can Logan's guzzling from. Alas.

On another note, Rogue's so bonkers in this issue. I'm sorry, could we please pull over to the side of Pretentiousness Turnpike? What's sanity?

This arc has definitely started off with a bang, especially considering what's happened to Cable. (I'm not putting this in spoiler tags because others before me have not.) You know, considering it's a big event, and considering there was such synergy between X-Men 200 and C/D 42, it wouldn't surprise me if both Nicieza and Carey decided to kill Cable. ... Unless that rumor about him getting a solo series is true. In which case, either he "somehow survived," or he becomes a prick again and decides to play dead for awhile while using guerilla tactics. He's done stuff like that before, and it wouldn't surprise me. It might depend on what Nicieza decides to do with him - and I hope it's Nicieza who gets to decide.

I like how Carey writes Beast, regarding the back-up story. I don't know a few of the pics, but is the big-grin picture Mojo or Dark Beast?

Here's that scan from Cable/Deadpool:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/squeekness/cablepool42gambit.jpg


....and both Mojo and Dark Beast were pictured. :)

[ProfeZZor X]

Now I love you, but that cant be correct. it cant be Mojo Im guessing that its this characther that you mean:http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g199/ilovebengan/scan46-1.jpg who is this mysterious..ehm..dog?

Sorry for the double post, im so tired right now that I dont know what Im doing....

Some people assumed it was Dark Beast, but MC said in an interview that Hank wouldn't meet up with him any time soon in this arc. The other reason why its very likely Mojo, is because of his genetic knowledge and research. After all, he did create those loveable X-Babies.

[emmymae]

I heard that Mojo got killed. Of course that never stopped anyone before. It's terrible that Beast is so desperate that he has to turn to the major bad guys for help. This is the worst situation the X-Men have found themselves in.

I am so happy to see Gambit again even though he's a villain. Of course, it's probably not what it seems. It seems that he gave Cable a clue. I have a feeling Cable isn't really dead. Remy probably made it look like he was taking him out. That was one sexy pick. I about passed out from the joy. I was cool with the scanned cards. The art wasn't really consistent in that part.

I am completely heart-broken that Mystique shot Rogue. She was being remarkably concerned about her and there was the nice flashback part of her putting Rogue to bed. I suppose Mystique is playing along with the Marauders for some odd reason. She's got some odd plan going it seems. It's not some matter of Rogue had it coming with putting her on the team. There aren't too many mutants left, so they had to use who they could.

I knew Lady Mastermind would turn on her teammates. What does she think she's doing?

Kisses to Cannonball and Iceman for their loyalty and support. Poor Bobby.:csad:

I can't wait to find out what happens next. I'm buying the TPB when it comes out. I'm moving to London for a year to study acting so I won't be able to get issues anyway.

[iamlegend]

I heard that Mojo got killed. Of course that never stopped anyone before. It's terrible that Beast is so desperate that he has to turn to the major bad guys for help. This is the worst situation the X-Men have found themselves in.


No, it's not even close, which is why I think what Beast is doing is horribly unjustified... and will almost surely come back to bite he and the rest of the team in the ass HARD.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

No, it's not even close, which is why I think what Beast is doing is horribly unjustified... and will almost surely come back to bite he and the rest of the team in the ass HARD.

You mean like the Creed thingy. :csad:

Oh, wait, Hank's not a diva. Nevermind.

P.S. Caught a screening of Die Hard 4 tonight. F****n power outtage knocked a whole block out during the flick. Will have to go back tomorrow. F**K. :cmad: :cmad: :cmad:

[Havok83]

I am completely heart-broken that Mystique shot Rogue. She was being remarkably concerned about her and there was the nice flashback part of her putting Rogue to bed. I suppose Mystique is playing along with the Marauders for some odd reason. She's got some odd plan going it seems. It's not some matter of Rogue had it coming with putting her on the team. There aren't too many mutants left, so they had to use who they could.


.
not to get itno that whole debate again and you know I love and support Rogue but thats a poor excuse. She had 198 to pick from. Mystique really shouldnt have even been an option

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

not to get itno that whole debate again and you know I love and support Rogue but thats a poor excuse. She had 198 to pick from. Mystique really shouldnt have even been an option

That, and it put Rogue's whole 'I'll watch her like a hawk and take her down whenever she makes her move' speech into a whole new light, eh?

[iamlegend]

You mean like the Creed thingy. :csad:

Oh, wait, Hank's not a diva. Nevermind.

P.S. Caught a screening of Die Hard 4 tonight. F****n power outtage knocked a whole block out during the flick. Will have to go back tomorrow. F**K. :cmad: :cmad: :cmad:

Exactly. Hank'll pry get horribly maimed, stabbed through the heart, and hit by a truck while trying to save the mutant baby that he worked so hard to see come to life... and THEN get *****ed out by every X-Female. Probably by Rogue first. :woot:

I've heard nothing but good things about LFDH, BTW.

[Colossal Spoons]

Before I dive into my comics; should I read C&D first or X-Men?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Exactly. Hank'll pry get horribly maimed, stabbed through the heart, and hit by a truck while trying to save the mutant baby that he worked so hard to see come to life... and THEN get *****ed out by every X-Female. Probably by Rogue first. :woot:

And last. :wow:


I've heard nothing but good things about LFDH, BTW.

The 65-75 mins I did get to see were good stuff. Going *enthusiastically* back tomorrow.

Since there was no power, they just said, 'bah, just come back some time, whoever with your ticket and you'll get a free pass'. Seriously, I doubt they'll try to piss off 1500-2000(???) people.

[Havok83]

Before I dive into my comics; should I read C&D first or X-Men?
you dont even have to read C&D bc I didnt and understand everything just fine. Its more of a supplement to X-men, but not really necesary

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Wait, it was necessary at some point to read C&D?? :D

[Colossal Spoons]

Ok, thanks.

Darth, you punk lol.

[El Bastardo]

Before I dive into my comics; should I read C&D first or X-Men?

I read X-Men first, then C&D. There you go, my previous-life-brother! <3

[Specter313]

Wow I loved this arc. It was filled with action from the start to the end. And Im going to love Blindend by the light. thank God for Bachalo and Carey!
Ramos art was also likable in this arc, and it was good for the first time. Marauders like kickass and we got to see a swedish brand in the comics (cool). Im looking forward to the next issue like theirs no tomorrow.

And why are the Marauders killing of old cajun-guys?

the Es was really good too. the end was a good twist.

WARNING BIG SPOILERS!
i could see dr. Doom, dr Kavita Rao, Mr. Sinister, Sugerman, Pandemic, M.O.D.O.K and then theres three I dont know, but one of them could be Stryfe. Could anyone help me out on this?
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g199/ilovebengan/scan46.jpg


Top Row, left to right: Pandemic, MODOK, Kavita Rao, Mojo(he's not dead)

Bottom row: Dark Beast(Sugar Man is dead), Sinister, High Evolutionary, Arnim Zola.

And then you know Doom.

[El Bastardo]

Top Row, left to right: Pandemic, MODOK, Kavita Rao, Mojo(he's not dead)

Bottom row: Dark Beast(Sugar Man is dead), Sinister, High Evolutionary, Arnim Zola.

And then you know Doom.

Thanks, Spec!

[Colossal Spoons]

I read X-Men first, then C&D. There you go, my previous-life-brother! <3

Haha, gracias. C&D is def purely supplemental.

[Colossal Spoons]

Top Row, left to right: Pandemic, MODOK, Kavita Rao, Mojo(he's not dead)

Bottom row: Dark Beast(Sugar Man is dead), Sinister, High Evolutionary, Arnim Zola.

And then you know Doom.

Man, that looks nothing like Dark Beast. Then again, was he depowered on M Day?

[Specter313]

Man, that looks nothing like Dark Beat. Then again, was he depowered on M Day?

Nope, not depowered. In fact, he was specifically listed in the 198 Files thing as being one of the few powered mutants still left.

And it probably doesn't look like him because it's such an extreme close up, but that grin and those evil eyes are definitely his:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/squeekness/442px-DarkBeast.jpg

[Colossal Spoons]

His eyes are suddenly red now? Then again, silly things like eye/hair color mean squat to continuity these days.

[El Bastardo]

Haha, gracias. C&D is def purely supplemental.

Well, I suppose it's supplemental to what went on in X-Men 200. So was 41, I think. Was 40? And yet, each issue isn't "crossover-ish" but still continuing the entire story and narrative of C&D. <3 Fabian Nicieza.

[Cdnmouse]

I really think that looks like Sugar Man not Dark Beast. I mean yeah he is supposed to be dead but who stays dead now a days lol.

[Colossal Spoons]

Sugar Man doesn't know jack bout genetics or anything scientific though right?

[ProfeZZor X]

Thanks, Spec!

I already posted that info. on the previous page (post #3905)...

[Snikt 6]

I really really really dont like dark beast....gotta be one of the biggest mistakes marvel made (besides bringing SugarMan into 616).

Overall 200 was a real fun read. Could care less about Ramos' art though....blah. Not suprised how it ended.....but I am curious what they will do with Rogue......

[Colossal Spoons]

I really really really dont like dark beast....gotta be one of the biggest mistakes marvel made (besides bringing SugarMan into 616).

Overall 200 was a real fun read. Could care less about Ramos' art though....blah. Not suprised how it ended.....but I am curious what they will do with Rogue......

Logan will touch her; healing her gunshot wound and clearing her mind.

[iamlegend]

Logan will touch her; healing her gunshot wound and clearing her mind.

AND he'll just shrug off Rogue's "death touch" just 'cause he's the most amazing mutant ever... :whatever:

[OutcryX]

while avoiding her instant death.....cuz his healing factor apparently is the water of life, bottled up inside his belly.

[Colossal Spoons]

He might pass out for 3 or 4 pages guys :o

[Colossal Spoons]

Also, how did Emma not know Regan was putting up a psi-shield?

[AndThePickles]

Also, how did Emma not know Regan was putting up a psi-shield?

Seriously, that was pretty annoying that it was written that way....normally Emma would have detected the shield right away.

[OutcryX]

Carey was too busy thinking about how to make Rogue even more tragic and loveable to realize that Emma should be able to detect Lady M's abilities....well she should be able to..now that she is one of the most powerful telepaths on earth

[iamlegend]

Seriously, that was pretty annoying that it was written that way....normally Emma would have detected the shield right away.

A sign that she IS, in fact, working with the Marauders?

Dun, dun, dun! :woot:

I kid.

I all honesty, we're just supposed to assume she was busy worrying about other stuff.

[Colossal Spoons]

I all honesty, we're just supposed to assume she was busy worrying about other stuff.

Yeah, figured as much :up:

[AndThePickles]

A sign that she IS, in fact, working with the Marauders?

Dun, dun, dun! :woot:

I kid.

I all honesty, we're just supposed to assume she was busy worrying about other stuff.

Haha I actually wish that were true, I prefer evil Emma.

[Colossal Spoons]

I prefer Emma out of my X-books every month :o



I really hope this wakes the X-Men up.

No More "Reformed" Villains On The Team!!!11!!

[OutcryX]

I prefer Emma out of my X-books every month :o



I really hope this wakes the X-Men up.

No More "Reformed" Villains On The Team!!!11!!


yea, but Emma has been a good guy since the early nineties...she doesnt count as a reformed villain anymore. she is a good guy now. just a b*itchy one

[Colossal Spoons]

I wasn't talking about Emma there. More Lady M and Mystique.

[Havok83]

I hate the new costume that Ramos gave Emma. And the color? Horrible. She should have been kept in all white

[UraniaChang]

Carey was too busy thinking about how to make Rogue even more tragic and loveable to realize that Emma should be able to detect Lady M's abilities....well she should be able to..now that she is one of the most powerful telepaths on earth

abstemiously tragic = loveable
excessively tragic = damned annoying

Rogue has already fallen into the latter.

[Havok83]

Lady Mastermind was NEVER even a reformed villian. She was a villian that happened to wake up with the X-men. Her attitudes never changed and Rogue called her out on it before, yet still do nothing about it. It was a given that she'd turn on them bc she had no loyalty nor had any reason to have any towards them. She never showed any remorse or say anything to the affect of her wanting to be a better person. She should have been watched more

[Colossal Spoons]

^And genius Rogue put her on the team. Nice :up:

[Rogue's Hand]

^And genius Rogue put her on the team. Nice :up:
Ofcourse :woot:

[iamlegend]

^And genius Rogue put her on the team. Nice :up:

Pfft. Don't you know that's old news? Hell, everyone in the entire Marvel U actually forgot about it after...

Poor baby Rogue was shot by her big meanie mother (whom Rogue repeatedly said she could "handle"

:whatever:

[Colossal Spoons]

It's ok. Logan to the rescue!



I wonder how Iceman survived that stab wound while powered down.

[ProfeZZor X]

It's ok. Logan to the rescue!



I wonder how Iceman survived that stab wound while powered down.

He wasn't "powered down" after that shot to the ribs. It looks like he was still trying to power up, and he got shot half way through his transformation. Because a few pages later, you see him riding off on his ice slide, fully iced up and in uniform, charging into action.

It just seemed like there was a delayed response to his body powering up. That's all. But, on the other hand, it makes you wonder what Mystique could have possibly done to Bobby when they had sex. After all, that never happened to him when he was with Opal or Lorna. I've heard other people say that she changed into a man, but that theory seems unlikely, because we would have seen some sort of reaction out of him when they all met at the breakroom table.... Although he did seem to daydream while eating his bowl of chips. So I don't know.

But what I do know, is that Mike Carey said that we will get an answer about what happened by the next issue.

[Colossal Spoons]

He wasn't "powered down" after that shot to the ribs. It looks like he was still trying to power up, and he got shot half way through his transformation. Because a few pages later, you see him riding off on his ice slide, fully iced up and in uniform, charging into action.

He was stabbed while fully iced up, but then he's bleeding with his face iced down. Weird

BTW, I think he looks really cool wearing that black T-shirt and the black pants. :up:

[usagicassidy]

I'll just jump in to say that unlike most everyone else, I enjoyed Ramos' art in that I didn't hate it. I thought it turned out better than had it only been Bachalo on the book - because I wouldn't have been able to tell what was going on half the time, especially during action sequences.

[AndThePickles]

I enjoyed the art as well.

[ProfeZZor X]

He was stabbed while fully iced up, but then he's bleeding with his face iced down. Weird

BTW, I think he looks really cool wearing that black T-shirt and the black pants. :up:

I have the page open right in front of me, and Scalphunter shot him with a gun.... How do I know this?.... Because the thing he's holding resembles a gun, and at the white explosion part of it, it says "BLAM". There's a white streak going through Bobby's midsection, and on the exiting side of his torso, there is a small projectile.

...And not to sound rude, but I'm just relaying what I see in front of me.

[Valechan]

What really annoyed me was the art. Cable/Deadpoll told the exact same Cable/Gambit scene and his appearance in that book was far more visually striking than the one in X-Men, even though Bachalo's art was far better than Ramos. I hated the RAmos pages.

And btw, what's up with killing off Quiet Bill and the Witness?? Someone has a mad on formerly Gambit secondary characters??? I just hope they don't kill Tante Mattie because I always kinda liked her

[Colossal Spoons]

I have the page open right in front of me, and Scalphunter shot him with a gun.... How do I know this?.... Because the thing he's holding resembles a gun, and at the white explosion part of it, it says "BLAM". There's a white streak going through Bobby's midsection, and on the exiting side of his torso, there is a small projectile.

...And not to sound rude, but I'm just relaying what I see in front of me.

Stabbed, shot, that part is irrelevant. I thought he had some kind of lightsaber thing at first glance so I said "stabbed"

[mjdiddy1]

I personally like Ramos' art because it is a better transition between Bachalo and his art work where as you have someone else fill in for Chris and it throws the story out of wack if that makes sense. They have similar styles (with Bachalo's being more superior and detailed) which makes it flow better whereas some other artist comes in and their style is on the opposite end of the spectrum.

Now...Is Cable really dead? I haven't really been keeping up with Cable/Deadpool put I love in the X-Men. He is a character who should be a big player not only in the X-universe but Marvel as a whole

Also

[ProfeZZor X]

Stabbed, shot, that part is irrelevant. I thought he had some kind of lightsaber thing at first glance so I said "stabbed"

The same could be said about Rogue, when Mystique had done her in. Ramos' illustration shows the same kind of effect.... And she's obviously shown holding a gun.

Bad call on his behalf... But I guess he's working on improving his art. And some say Bachalo's art is confusing? :huh:

[ProfeZZor X]

Previews for X-Men #201

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0706/28/firsts.htm

Here's how Marvel describes the issue:

"The Marauders' trap closes on the X-Men - from within and from without! But devastating though it is, this attack is only a move in a larger game - and the survivors of Rogue's team have to figure out what the objective is before they can have a prayer of fighting back..."

X-Men #201 will be 40 pages and will cost $2.99.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/xmen2011.jpg
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/xmen2012.jpg
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/xmen2013.jpg

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Good God, that's early. Oh well, good to see Ems didn't get owned 100%, eh???

Anyway, finally got the book.

Good read, no idea WTF is going on.

And, huh, exactly *why* was there a pin-up of EMMA??? :D

[Specter313]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0706/28/xmen201c.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0706/28/xmen2011.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0706/28/xmen2015.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0706/28/xmen2017.jpg

X-Men #201 will arrive in stores on July 25 from Marvel Comics Comics. The issue is written by Mike Carey, with art and cover by Humberto Ramos.

Here's how Marvel describes the issue:

"The Marauders' trap closes on the X-Men - from within and from without! But devastating though it is, this attack is only a move in a larger game - and the survivors of Rogue's team have to figure out what the objective is before they can have a prayer of fighting back..."

X-Men #201 will be 40 pages and will cost $2.99.


I think those are more proof that it's Iceman who's powers are failing him.

[Valechan]

Well that's it for the shortest romance in the X-History :p

[Rogue's Hand]

OMG! I am so excited to see what's going to happen!
I wonder what Mystique did to Bobby that has his powers
going haywire like that? Also, I think I can see Rogue's costume
filled w/ blood in one the panels along w/ her mouth yelling.
I have got to give it to Carey, he has me at the edge of my seat
waiting for # 201 already :woot:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I know I've said it before, but, God, I hope there won't be any redemption in store for the vicious shapeshifting scow. :D

A pseudo-lesbo brawl with guest-starring Storm, anything, I don't care. :D

[Rogue's Hand]

I know I've said it before, but, God, I hope there won't be any redemption in store for the vicious shapeshifting scow. :D

A pseudo-lesbo brawl with guest-starring Storm, anything, I don't care. :D
OMG! You just made me spit out my juice from laughing :woot:

[Specter313]

OMG! I am so excited to see what's going to happen!
I wonder what Mystique did to Bobby that has his powers
going haywire like that?

She hid some depowering stuff in her cooter. :o

Also, I think I can see Rogue's costume
filled w/ blood in one the panels along w/ her mouth yelling.
I have got to give it to Carey, he has me at the edge of my seat
waiting for # 201 already :woot:

And that's not Rogue's mouth, that's Karima.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I wanna know what the hell Cyke is shooting at, lol.

This isn't me complaining. Seriously.

But, what, did he miss at poink-blank range like 20 times or...??? :D

[Rogue's Hand]

[/color]

She hid some depowering stuff in her cooter. :o

[color=darkgreen]

And that's not Rogue's mouth, that's Karima.
Oh sorry, Is that Rogue's costume with the blood though?

[Specter313]

Oh sorry, Is that Rogue's costume with the blood though?


Yes, that one is Rogue.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

She hid some depowering stuff in her cooter. :o

Wait, no protection?

And people keep making cracks about ROGUE being insane??? :woot:

[OutcryX]

mystique could have known that bobby was the most powerful member of the team and set out awhile ago to take him out. maybe she did have sum power neutralizer in her *meowmeow*...or penis...depending on how bobby likes it...

[iamlegend]

mystique could have known that bobby was the most powerful member of the team and set out awhile ago to take him out. maybe she did have sum power neutralizer in her *meowmeow*...or penis...depending on how bobby likes it...

Whoa now.

Eh. The fact that Iceman was even allowed to participate in the final fight of the book just lends strength to my argument that Mystique's not really allying herself with the Marauders at all.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I'm still denial over that whole '25 steps forward' crap.

You're not helping. :D

[Snikt 6]

^I dont know, it doesnt look like she is taking it easy on Iceman. I am really looking forward to the next issue! So I guess the Uncanny, X-Factor and New X-Men teams will be dealing with different issues - I was hoping to have the Marauders in all the titles........Hope Emma is out of it for a while......

[javon]

Bobby's the most powerful member of the team?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Yeah. The Omega thingy.

[Snikt 6]

^Once Rouge gets it together I dont think there will be any doubt that she will be the most powerful one on the team.

[javon]

Yeah. The Omega thingy.
Oh yeah, THAT. It was brought up in 200?

[iamlegend]

^Once Rouge gets it together I dont think there will be any doubt that she will be the most powerful one on the team.

And how do you explain that? Unless they let Rogue have control of everyone she's every absorbed that wouldn't work.

And IF they did that the book wouldn't last long. No one would read a book where one character can just slaughter everyone. What's the point of the team?

[Rogue's Hand]

^Once Rouge gets it together I dont think there will be any doubt that she will be the most powerful one on the team.
I agree. This is exactly what Carey has in his tactic.
She'll bounce right back like she's never been gone.:woot:

[javon]

And how do you explain that? Unless they let Rogue have control of everyone she's every absorbed that wouldn't work.

And IF they did that the book wouldn't last long. No one would read a book where one character can just slaughter everyone. What's the point of the team?
I know right? Just look at Jean :p

[iamlegend]

I know right? Just look at Jean :p

Whoa there killer...

Your girl's getting increasingly close to said realm of power.

That's why they moved her to the FF, where she's only working with three other people. It seems a little less like overkill then.

[javon]

:csad: But Jean's fway fun to pick on :p

Edit: And your not suppose to make comments like that when Darth is around :mad: :ninja:

[ProfeZZor X]

^Once Rouge gets it together I dont think there will be any doubt that she will be the most powerful one on the team.

"Once Rogue gets it together".... She can't be all that powerful. She got taken out with a single bullet.

So did Iceman, but at least he's not laying on the ground with his life flashing before him, swimming in his own blood.

[iamlegend]

"Once Rogue gets it together".... She can't be all that powerful. She got taken out with a single bullet.

So did Iceman, but at least he's not laying on the ground with his life flashing before him, swimming in his own blood.

Be nice Profezzor...

Iceman's the poster boy for the "If we let him realize his full potential he'll be so powerful that we'll have to write him off" club.

[javon]

I think they can at least let him tap into HALF of it though.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

:csad: But Jean's fway fun to pick on :p

And the irony's way fun to point out. :woot:


Edit: And your not suppose to make comments like that when Darth is around :mad: :ninja:

MWAHAHAHAHA!!!

TOO LATE. :woot:

[ProfeZZor X]

Here is what I think will happen in the next couple of issues:

I think we're probably looking at the Marauders taking Rogue's body with them, back to Sinister. Just remember, in the next issue (#201) Sam and Bobby have to assess the situation and come up with a plan to take down the Marauders. With that said, I would say it's a good chance both of them barely escape the battle and come crawling back to the mansion for assistance from other members... This is possibly when Aurora & Northstar make their comback/appearance :D ... Maybe even Gambit, after he finds out that Rogue was shot and left for dead by none other than the woman he's hated since he left the X-Men.

And that might be his deal breaker with Sinister, and he comes back to the good side, raising all kinds of hell with the Marauders and Mystique (er Foxx).

[iamlegend]

Here is what I think will happen in the next couple of issues:

I think we're probably looking at the Marauders taking Rogue's body with them, back to Sinister. Just remember, in the next issue (#201) Sam and Bobby have to assess the situation and come up with a plan to take down the Marauders. With that said, I would say it's a good chance both of them barely escape the battle and come crawling back to the mansion for assistance from other members... This is possibly Aurora & Northstar make their comback/appearance :D ... Maybe even Gambit, after he finds out that Rogue was shot and left for dead by none other than the woman he's hated since he left the X-Men.

And that might be his deal breaker with Sinister, and he comes back to the good side, raising all kinds of hell with the Marauders and Mystique (er Foxx).

I think it's been implied more than once that Rogue, in some way, shape, or form, is what will cause Gambit to turn on Sinister... So this theory pry won't be that far off.

Though I still don't think Gambit's switching sides until at least Messiah Complex.

[Slant]

Carey said they probably wouldn't meet up until the end of the Crossover.

[Colossal Spoons]

Whoa now.

Eh. The fact that Iceman was even allowed to participate in the final fight of the book just lends strength to my argument that Mystique's not really allying herself with the Marauders at all.

Yeah, why wouldn't she have just put him down earlier.

[Specter313]

Yeah, why wouldn't she have just put him down earlier.

Probably because the others would have been suspicious of where he went. Emma was put down only a short while before the Marauders attacked, so they didn't have time to know she was hurt. Mystique would have had to put Bobby down right after he called the other X-Men to come help Rogue, so he'd be missing for awhile, and the others would find it odd for him not to be around when they arrived, so it was more to keep the element of surprise intact more than anything else for why she didn't just hurt him then.

[Colossal Spoons]

Probably because the others would have been suspicious of where he went. Emma was put down only a short while before the Marauders attacked, so they didn't have time to know she was hurt. Mystique would have had to put Bobby down right after he called the other X-Men to come help Rogue, so he'd be missing for awhile, and the others would find it odd for him not to be around when they arrived, so it was more to keep the element of surprise intact more than anything else for why she didn't just hurt him then.

Makes sense