Official X-MEN: LEGACY Discussion Thread

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

And that might be his deal breaker with Sinister, and he comes back to the good side, raising all kinds of hell with the Marauders and Mystique (er Foxx).

Waaaayyyy too early.

Always save the cheese for last.

[iamlegend]

Waaaayyyy too early.

Always save the cheese for last.

Yeah, to have Gambit rejoin the X-Men after one issue would be... well... lame even the perspective of a Gambit fan.

Gambit will undoubtedly jump sides, but, like I said, it'll be during the early-mid part of Messiah Complex. That's when I think he'll turn on Sinister and go rogue until the end of the crossover, at which point in time he'll get shuffled back to an X-Team.

[Slant]

Maybe he goes after Sinister 1 on 1. :eek:

He'd get wiped out, but it'd be fun.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Yeah, to have Gambit rejoin the X-Men after one issue would be... well... lame even the perspective of a Gambit fan.

Something about how untrustworthy can only go so far? :woot:

[iamlegend]

Maybe he goes after Sinister 1 on 1. :eek:

He'd get wiped out, but it'd be fun.

Well... that would be interesting. Remember that during Golgotha Gambit was confronted by a vision of Sinister which was supposed to symbolize his "worst fear."

So Gambit definitely has Sinister issues, and it wouldn't surprise me a bit if they went head to head at least once in the crossover, even if it was just a quick fight where Gumbo got whomped.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Sinister issues, eh?

Next thing we know, he's not only a Summers, but Vulcan's bastard child from the future. :D

[Slant]

I'm thinking more along the lines of him telling Gambit he's Papa Sinister. :)

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

*mental picture of Sinister sitting in a rocking chair, telling bedtime stories, wearing that porn moustache and having a half-asleep Remy safely nestled in his lap.*

I think I just broke the internet.

:wow: :wow: :wow:

[bengan]

Could anyone post the teampictures that was last in the issue? You know with sunfire and emma? Tanks :)

[Spectre722]

ive really got the notion that sinister is gambits father, i cant believe milligan didn't reveal that on his run, though he did hint at it. also carey mentioned we wouldn't see a gambit rogue moment until early 2008.

i got a hold of x-men 200 and while the gambit/cable/sunfire sequence was seriously legit and awesome, i wasn't feelin the whole x-men get together in rogues old house. i really think bachalo needs to be the only artist on this book, i used to like ramos back in the day but hes lost his touch. also its not like a whole lot of this book was really shocking, we knew the marauders were coming, we knew gambit and sunfire would return, we knew omega sentinel and lady m would betray the team. the only big shock was mystique turn-coating. but then when half your team consists of quasi-villainous characters and the other half is longtime upstanding x-men would u really expect anything else? it just seemed like for a landmark 200th issue something more important should've happened instead its really just setup. not that im not excited about the direction. marauders=awesome, sinister=awesome gambit's return=awesome general overall quality and direction of all five major x-titles under their current creative teams=awesome

as for the endangered species backup, we all knew beast was gonna do some questionable things to fix m-day but my gosh that final page was...actually i could only name a few of them sinister, doom, dr rao, the high evolutionary...thought i saw mojo. but still muy cool

[iamlegend]

I'm thinking more along the lines of him telling Gambit he's Papa Sinister. :)

That wouldn't surprise me, either. Claremont always intended Gambit to be connected to Sinister in a "deeper" way (though not the dad thing), and I think Marvel's going to eventually reveal something between the pair.

Carey mentioned that sometime in '08 they would probably be exploring Gambit's origins more, so it's quite possible that we get some big reveal in Messiah Complex that's shuffled to the background until the crossover ends.

And Gambit being Vulcan's son? C'mon now Darth, you can do better. :woot:

I mean, I know you've heard what Claremont's crazy ass wanted to do with the character. I don't know if anyone can top that.

[Rogue's Hand]

I agree, I've always wanted to know their ties.
It would be a perfect answer to it all.
But then don't you think Rogue would have known being that she
absorbed his powers before? Unless Gambit doesn't he's his pops:huh:

[iamlegend]

I agree, I've always wanted to know their ties.
It would be a perfect answer to it all.
But then don't you think Rogue would have known being that she
absorbed his powers before? Unless Gambit doesn't he's his pops:huh:

If Gambit and Sinister are somehow related then I find it highly unlikely that he'd know. Sinister would never let that bit of information out.

[Snikt 6]

I think if they want this series to really mean something they NEED to do something that is gonna last - at least for a little bit. Mystique and Lady Mastermind going bad? Who didnt see that coming? We all knew the Mauraders and Gambit/Sunfire were coming back. So how about this - have one of the X die - for good (hey, Banshee STILL has not come back). My choice? Why thank you for asking. Gambit. It would be perfect - if he DOES die, have him sacrafice himself for the X team. I like Gambo bad, but if he sacrafices himself to save Rouge or one of the X-Men that would leave a lasting impression on the survivors.

[Havok83]

I think if they want this series to really mean something they NEED to do something that is gonna last - at least for a little bit. Mystique and Lady Mastermind going bad? Who didnt see that coming? We all knew the Mauraders and Gambit/Sunfire were coming back. So how about this - have one of the X die - for good (hey, Banshee STILL has not come back). My choice? Why thank you for asking. Gambit. It would be perfect - if he DOES die, have him sacrafice himself for the X team. I like Gambo bad, but if he sacrafices himself to save Rouge or one of the X-Men that would leave a lasting impression on the survivors.
Im not his biggest fan but I think Gambit dying would be a horrible choice as no one cares about him. It wouldnt change anything but add more angst to Rogue. Everyone else would move on with their lives as if nothing happened and there really wouldnt be much of an impact here

[Colossal Spoons]

Super-angsty Rogue FTW

[iamlegend]

I think if they want this series to really mean something they NEED to do something that is gonna last - at least for a little bit. Mystique and Lady Mastermind going bad? Who didnt see that coming? We all knew the Mauraders and Gambit/Sunfire were coming back. So how about this - have one of the X die - for good (hey, Banshee STILL has not come back). My choice? Why thank you for asking. Gambit. It would be perfect - if he DOES die, have him sacrafice himself for the X team. I like Gambo bad, but if he sacrafices himself to save Rouge or one of the X-Men that would leave a lasting impression on the survivors.


Eh. Don't get your hopes up. The writers have said multiple times that Gambit's going to be around after the crossover.

And if you want someone that everyone cares about to die... Then it'd have to be one of the legends. Cyclops, Beast, Nightcrawler, Storm, Wolvie, etc. Someone who's been a mainstay in the X-titles for decades, and someone who every X-Man or woman loves.

[Snikt 6]

Beast or Emma would be my next choice.....have Beast die and come back in his human/big foot self......

[Havok83]

Super-angsty Rogue FTW
what does FTW mean?

[Havok83]

Beast or Emma would be my next choice.....have Beast die and come back in his human/big foot self......
now that I can get behind. Morrison ruined Beast with the cat look

[iamlegend]

Beast or Emma would be my next choice.....have Beast die and come back in his human/big foot self......

Yeah, they're doing that in Ultimate X-Men.

And resurrecting anyone would immediately ruin the death itself.

[Colossal Spoons]

what does FTW mean?

For the win

It's all the rage on the Hype. You can also use it's sister phrase "For the lose"

[Snikt 6]

Yeah, they're doing that in Ultimate X-Men.

And resurrecting anyone would immediately ruin the death itself.

Dont read the Ultimate stuff......but I agree the resurrecting stuff would all but ruin the death....but it would be cool to get the Beast back.

[Colossal Spoons]

Well Ultimate Beast supposedly never died. :rolleyes:

[Snikt 6]

^Even worse. At least let the poor dude die....man....writers these days.

[Havok83]

thats too bad bc I wish I had.

[Snikt 6]

Still curious how they are going to bring Magneto back. Wonder if he will just show up...or if they will lead up to it.

[El Bastardo]

Still curious how they are going to bring Magneto back. Wonder if he will just show up...or if they will lead up to it.

The current stuff in Uncanny involves some of the Morlocks, led by Masque, searching for Magneto. So yes, I assume they're leading up to him.

[Snikt 6]

Dang, I forgot that fast. Thanks.

Masque is kinda mean now....wonder what got into him/her.

[Havok83]

Dang, I forgot that fast. Thanks.

Masque is kinda mean now....wonder what got into him/her.
Masque has always been mean. (S)he is insane

[iamlegend]

Well Ultimate Beast supposedly never died. :rolleyes:

AKA retcon.

You've got to love the Ultimate X-Men team. They only made it a few years before they were having death-erasing retcons.

And they promised NOT to do just that when the title launched...

[Snikt 6]

^Hmmmmm.......guess its an X thing.

[Havok83]

AKA retcon.

You've got to love the Ultimate X-Men team. They only made it a few years before they were having death-erasing retcons.

And they promised NOT to do just that when the title launched...
different writers involved. Millar may have promised that but he's since been gone and anyone that comes after him shouldnt necesarily have to follow what he tried to establish

[iamlegend]

different writers involved. Millar may have promised that but he's since been gone and anyone that comes after him shouldnt necesarily have to follow what he tried to establish

I'm not saying they should have done everything his way... But I mean, c'mon! Not resurrecting dead characters via retcons should have been common sense after the havok it's wreaked on the 616 universe.

I mean, the Ultimate line was created because 616's backstory was so twisted that new fans were turned off. So what do the Ultimate X-Men writers do? Start making the same mistakes the writers pulled in 616.

[spark627]

Whoa now.

Eh. The fact that Iceman was even allowed to participate in the final fight of the book just lends strength to my argument that Mystique's not really allying herself with the Marauders at all.

I agree, she is either being controlled or has some crazy plan, imo

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I dunno.

Her 'kill'em all' orders don't leave much to the imagination.

Kind of a dicey/risky move, even for the sake of a double double-cross

[iamlegend]

I dunno.

Her 'kill'em all' orders don't leave much to the imagination.

Kind of a dicey/risky move, even for the sake of a double double-cross

Well, to be fair, Mystique's pry willing to sacrifice Cyke, Emma, Wolvie, Beast, Cannonball, and even Iceman to achieve whatever the hell her personal goal (which she undoubtedly has) is.

I didn't say she'd be a goody-good... Just that she'd betray Sinister.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Have Sinister take her down with him then. :D

[iamlegend]

Have Sinister take her down with him then. :D


I can only hope...

Only problem, Darth, is that if Mystique's not the one who's going to ditch Sinister soley for the X-Men then there's really only one other candidate...

And he'll pry wind up rejoining the team, and blame himself for everything that's ever happened to Rogue while simultaneously removing the balls he'd just started to grow back.

[chris moore]

Shoulda known she was turning on them the moment she said "excuse me cyclops" in a nice way

[chris moore]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0706/28/xmen2015

Why exactly is Iceman only half iced up? Only reason I cant think of is the most pathetic excuse ever for Mystique being able to take him - you get him iced up and the incredibly hard organic ice that makes up his body isnt going to even feel those shots of Mystiques.

[Havok83]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0706/28/xmen2015

Why exactly is Iceman only half iced up? Only reason I cant think of is the most pathetic excuse ever for Mystique being able to take him - you get him iced up and the incredibly hard organic ice that makes up his body isnt going to even feel those shots of Mystiques.
Mystique did something to him to make his powers go haywire. She targeted him bc he is the most powerful member of the team

Im glad Mystique turned on the team bc I felt Carey was writing her completyely out of character for most of this run. She was too nice and not hardcore enough

[Canemacar]

There's no way mystique will turn out to be working for the x-men all along. in order to in as close to sinister as she is, she would have had to have been working for him for a while now, probably since M-Day hit. That kind of pre-meditation, and capping Rogue in the chest clinches it: she's loyal to mutantkind, not rogue or the x-men.

[Slant]

Im glad Mystique turned on the team bc I felt Carey was writing her completyely out of character for most of this run. She was too nice and not hardcore enough
Exactly.

Other people like to call that depth and development. Sorry, but thats not Mystique. Plus, look at Mystiques face in the beginning when Rogue's bossing her around. She's all like "I got you later on"

[bengan]

Here is the preview of 201 :)
oooo (http://comics.ign.com/articles/800/800422p1.html)

Since itd idnt work last time i tried to post a picture over here, Ill just post a link this time.

And yea, it does look bad for the X-men ;)

[iamlegend]

Here is the preview of 201 :)
oooo (http://comics.ign.com/articles/800/800422p1.html)

Since itd idnt work last time i tried to post a picture over here, Ill just post a link this time.

And yea, it does look bad for the X-men ;)


So... What's up with Emma in that preview? Is her mind broken? I'm still convinced she's going to wind up fighting the X-Men at one point, even if it's a bit of insanity.

[ProfeZZor X]

Waaaayyyy too early.

Always save the cheese for last.

I wasn't suggesting that it happen any time soon, but that would be the logical thing to happen down the line.

[Canemacar]

Here is the preview of 201 :)
oooo (http://comics.ign.com/articles/800/800422p1.html)

Stupid previews! I want to see what happens with Gambit, not Emma!

[iamlegend]

Stupid previews! I want to see what happens with Gambit, not Emma!

Well, it's obvious the people at IGN want to know what happens to Gambit too... Every time they've talked about an issue after 200 Gambit's name has been dropped multiple times, and is often in the sub-head.

[bengan]

So... What's up with Emma in that preview? Is her mind broken? I'm still convinced she's going to wind up fighting the X-Men at one point, even if it's a bit of insanity.
I just somehow thought that It was Emma controlling others while they fight. I have no idea why shes on the bad side of the cover (of 200) though. My first thought was that it was Malice but now i know thats nt the case. I guess that Carey will show us the way :) WWCD?

[iamlegend]

I just somehow thought that It was Emma controlling others while they fight. I have no idea why shes on the bad side of the cover (of 200) though. My first thought was that it was Malice but now i know thats nt the case. I guess that Carey will show us the way :) WWCD?

I think...

There's not enough being read into Emma being on that side. I'm not saying she's betraying the team, but they wouldn't put her over there for nothing. And while it's hard to determine without words, it sure seemed like she was lying there catatonic in the preview.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I'm calling it: Ems is telling Sam to bail.

And you know, regarding the Ems going bad or not?

I say screw it. She won't. Not in a book she GUEST-STARS in.

No bloody way.

[iamlegend]

I'm calling it: Ems is telling Sam to bail.

And you know, regarding the Ems going bad or not?

I say screw it. She won't. Not in a book she GUEST-STARS in.

No bloody way.

Ah why not? She's going to guest star in lie 5 different titles before the next issue of Astonishing comes out.

Hell, with the delays on that book Emma could go evil, come back, have a kid, and save three alternate universes between issues. :woot:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Oh, I know that.

And just for the record, I'd rather she just sit there and file her nails for a 6-issues mini rather than go and save the Ultimate verse. :D

But anyway, a meaningful/fateful/decisive betrayal in any other book than AXM before the crossover?? Nah.

[Colossal Spoons]

Ah why not? She's going to guest star in lie 5 different titles before the next issue of Astonishing comes out.

Hell, with the delays on that book Emma could go evil, come back, have a kid, and save three alternate universes between issues. :woot:

Haha. So sad.

[El Bastardo]

I'm calling it: Ems is telling Sam to bail.

I'm throwing my lot in with Darth. Words have a way of changing how the book will be read, but from those preview pages, it really looks like Emma's taking a survey of how bad the situation looks, and then telling Sam - who might possibly be one of the only ones still in good condition / one piece - to get the heck out of there... and from the look on his face, maybe even making him.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Just out of the blue...

Am I the only who ended up somewhat disappointed by the Marauders', hum, *TACTICS*???

With all these interviews/spoilers, I pretty much expected the whole AXM crew plus Rogue to go down a la Emma in #200.

But no. The Marauders' big tactic was to SNEAK on them. And quite possibly getting trashed in the process. Wait, what?

Makes for an action-packed dramatic scene alright, but, surely I can't be the only one thinking 'that's it?'

[mjdiddy1]

Maybe its me but it looks as though she's taking over Cannonball and just unlocking his full potential just to get all the good guys out of this situation so they can regroup.

Gambit has balls---hope he keeps them especially running up on Cable in Providence like that.

[Canemacar]

Just out of the blue...

Am I the only who ended up somewhat disappointed by the Marauders', hum, *TACTICS*???

With all these interviews/spoilers, I pretty much expected the whole AXM crew plus Rogue to go down a la Emma in #200.

But no. The Marauders' big tactic was to SNEAK on them. And quite possibly getting trashed in the process. Wait, what?

Makes for an action-packed dramatic scene alright, but, surely I can't be the only one thinking 'that's it?'

I feel the same way about Gambit being a *thief* but wading into fights instead of just sneaking by. But, It's like Superman's secret identity: it would never go that way in real life, but you have to just let it go because it's comics.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Maybe its me but it looks as though she's taking over Cannonball and just unlocking his full potential just to get all the good guys out of this situation so they can regroup.

'All' meaning Sam and Bobby, right?

[Slant]

Sam and Bobby are supposed to do everything this arc, but I'd like to see them get trashed by Gambit and Sunfire.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Mwahahahaha.

I'd support that.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I feel the same way about Gambit being a *thief* but wading into fights instead of just sneaking by. But, It's like Superman's secret identity: it would never go that way in real life, but you have to just let it go because it's comics.

Eh.

Still, not every fight/showdown was hyped as the one in #200.

Wait, quite possibly *months* of planning and this is the best they can come up with?? Bad guy in a cheap Seagal flicks can pull this off. :woot:

[Canemacar]

Wait, quite possibly *months* of planning and this is the best they can come up with?? Bad guy in a cheap Seagal flicks can pull this off. :woot:

But then they'd get the beat-down of their lives from the ex-CIA/ex-Navy Seal/ ex-Green Beret/ ex-whatever Segal is playing that time. The Marauders beatdown everyone.





Theres no real point to this post.:woot:

[Specter313]

I'm calling it: Ems is telling Sam to bail.

Well, it's pretty obvious that's what's happening, especially since the solicits say he and Bobby run off to get help.

And you know, regarding the Ems going bad or not?

I say screw it. She won't. Not in a book she GUEST-STARS in.

No bloody way.

Carey said in one of the interviews that not everything on the covers are as they appear, and Emma being on the Marauders/Acolytes cover was clearly just a red herring like Mystique staying on the X-Men cover.

[Havok83]

Sam and Bobby are supposed to do everything this arc, but I'd like to see them get trashed by Gambit and Sunfire.
why you say that?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

But then they'd get the beat-down of their lives from the ex-CIA/ex-Navy Seal/ ex-Green Beret/ ex-whatever Segal is playing that time. The Marauders beatdown everyone.

Do they?

Sam and Bobby manage to get away and we don't know for sure if every Marauder walks away from this one.

Oh, and I'm dying to find out whether Cyke actually *hit* anything. There's just something hilarious about him missing at such close range. :woot:

[Canemacar]

Oh, and I'm dying to find out whether Cyke actually *hit* anything. There's just something hilarious about him missing at such close range. :woot:

Reminds me of a Bugs Bunny cartoon where Elmer Fudd fires off shot after shot at Bugs from like 5 feet away and ended up making an outline around Bugs with the missed shots.:woot:

[Slant]

Oh, and I'm dying to find out whether Cyke actually *hit* anything. There's just something hilarious about him missing at such close range. :woot:
You should see the WWH preview out. You should love the little part where Cyke's being carried out by Xavier.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

You should see the WWH preview out. You should love the little part where Cyke's being carried out by Xavier.

Already commented on it.

Can't wait for Messiah f****n Complex. :whatever:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

why you say that?

The Bobby/Sam doing everything or them getting owned part???

Cause the later's rather obvious. I mean, come on, the rad factor totally is on Gambit and Sunfire's side.

[Canemacar]

The page where Sunfire dive-bombed Cable and engulfed him in fire from above kicked so much ass.

[Slant]

The page where Sunfire dive-bombed Cable and engulfed him in fire from above kicked so much ass.
Cable forgetting about the cards while Gambit counted down was just as good.

Best pages of the whole issue.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

The rad factor I mentioned. :D

[Canemacar]

They complimented each other pretty well in a fight. I'd like to see their personalities clash a bit now. You've got an uptight, honor-bound samurai and a shady, scruple-less thief! It's got The Odd Couple written all over it!

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

No, no, no.

Keep Gambit the f**k away from anything that has the potential to become a comedy.

[Canemacar]

Come on, it'll be called Gumbo and Sushi and it'll have the same buddy-book vibe that Cable&Deadpool had until Gambit and Sunfire brutally killed it! :woot:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Love the title. ROTFLMAO.

Still, could become an eye-rolling pissing contest with the wrong people at the helm.

[bengan]

yea, its like a really bad 90:s comedy....


Doeas anyone have the scans of the pictures that was last in this issue?

[Coldqueen]

They complimented each other pretty well in a fight. I'd like to see their personalities clash a bit now. You've got an uptight, honor-bound samurai and a shady, scruple-less thief! It's got The Odd Couple written all over it!

I predict at least twenty slash-fics coming out of these scenes.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Gotta love those diatribes on how conflict ALWAYS is a sign of attraction, eh??

[Coldqueen]

Hell, it amuses me.

Especially the psychotic amount of Cyclops/Logan that is out there.

Sometimes Jean or Emma are even invited.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Hell, it amuses me.

Especially the psychotic amount of Cyclops/Logan that is out there.

Sometimes Jean or Emma are even invited.

Heard people going on rants about Emma/Kitty and Emma/Jean.

I may make the effort to not outright scoff at author's-wish-fullfilment-driven pairings, but, really, come on. :whatever:

What's next, Supes and Luthor? Oh, wait. :wow:

At least Cyke and Logan are somewhat on the same page. People not liking each other can be *JUST THAT*. Geez. :woot:

[Coldqueen]

ROFLMAO...

...no, my absolute FAVORITE WTF couple is Remy/Logan.

Don't ask why, I don't understand why, I just know that I find it utterly ridiculous.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

ROFLMAO...

...no, my absolute FAVORITE WTF couple is Remy/Logan.

Don't ask why, I don't understand why, I just know that I find it utterly ridiculous.

*wondering who the hell would be the dominant one...*

Would they just whip it out and hold the measuring tape for six months or something?? Would eerily be in-character. :woot:

[Coldqueen]

ROFL...

It's almost always Remy.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Really??? :wow:

Good God, they're talking Morrison/Whedon's "Wolvie as a scared little boy" (or rather scared of being one) a little too literally...

And shouldn't the Sinister thingy count for something...?

[Coldqueen]

ROFLMAO...

I don't know what it is, but in most of the fic I read...it's REMY. LOL.

I'm also disturbed by the amount of diva-on-diva action in fanfiction. Disturbed...but not surprised.

OH...and...WTF is with ALL OF THE FIC having WOLVERINGE **** HIS WAY THROUGH THE X-MEN!? SERIOUSLY!!! In some of them he goes from the jailbait to older ones to the men to strangers on the street. WTH?!

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

ROFLMAO...

I don't know what it is, but in most of the fic I read...it's REMY. LOL.

Eh. I get the feeling somehow they'd pull off writing Sinister/Remy fics with Remy being the dominant one. :woot:

I'm also disturbed by the amount of diva-on-diva action in fanfiction. Disturbed...but not surprised.

Claremont yet again. Don't remember what the hell was the broad's name, but 'Ro and her were most certainly not just friends. :woot:

OH...and...WTF is with ALL OF THE FIC having WOLVERINGE **** HIS WAY THROUGH THE X-MEN!? SERIOUSLY!!! In some of them he goes from the jailbait to older ones to the men to strangers on the street. WTH?!

Absolutely no idea.

Never pegged him to be *that* horny. Doesn't exactly fit the angry loner samourai archetype. :wow:

Somewhat ironic coming from a Cyke fan, but, oh well... :woot:

[UraniaChang]

What's next, Supes and Luthor? Oh, wait. :wow:


Supees/Luther is already roaming in fandom for as long as I can remember. The newest pairing is Kal/Richard. :woot:


It's almost always Remy.

Nah, it's Logan. Trust me on this. :cwink:

[Canemacar]

*slowly backs out of thread*

[UraniaChang]

*block the door* You can't run yet, there are also Scott/Remy, Warren/Remy and Bobby/Remy out there. :woot:

[Canemacar]

*changes the topic*

Hey, have you seen this recent Carey interview? He talks about issue #200 and gives some commentary.

http://www.brokenfrontier.com/lowdown/details.php?id=936

[Slant]

In one of his interviews he talks about how we never know what the Professor's search turns up, when Cable asks him to search the phrase Gambit spoke.

I'd take a guess and say that was a hint from Gambit.

[squeekness]

I was wondering -- how did Sabes show up in New Orleans when Cable had only just tossed him off of Providence? Like WAY out to sea an all? :p

[JustABill]

God. I think I'm getting sick....

I think I might be actually starting to...

Like Gambit. :wow:

[Canemacar]

I was wondering -- how did Sabes show up in New Orleans when Cable had only just tossed him off of Providence? Like WAY out to sea an all? :p

That was Scalphunter.

God. I think I'm getting sick....

I think I might be actually starting to...

Like Gambit.

Looks like the Devil's going to need a snow shovel. :oldrazz:

[squeekness]

Scalphunter was who they went to see. Sabes came for the invite. :)

[squeekness]

Scalphunter was who they went to see. Sabes came for the invite. :)Dang, wrong again. I need my friggin' eyes checked. But I mean, look at his hair and how big his hands were. At first glance, it sure looks like Bachalo's Sabes.

[Specter313]

IGN Comics: So. Cable seems to be dead. Rogue's been shot through the chest. Iceman was shot and it's hard to say how he's doing. Is this your form of some late team spring cleaning?

Carey: -laughs- Very good question. Yeah, my team - this is weird, isn't it? It was only a year ago that I took over my team. They were in meltdown then. They had only just survived Apocalypse. Basically it was Rogue and Cyclops saying, "Let's put together a new X-Men team." Here we are a year down the line and, man, what's left?

It's not spring cleaning because I don't want anyone to think that this is casual. But it very definitely is a formative moment, a moment of crisis, in the lives of most of the characters on this team - particularly in the lives of Rogue, Mystique, Iceman and Cannonball.

IGN Comics: I'm not sure how much you can say about this. Regarding the Marauders - what are they trying to do and don't they realize that they are killing their own, limited gene pool?

Carey: What are they trying to do? That's the question that is at the core of this story arc. The answer is surprising. It's not about the X-Men. Although we see them attacking the team ruthlessly with a terrifying amount of precision and planning, it's not about the X-Men. It's much, much bigger. Do they realize they're destroying their own gene pool? Yes, they do. So they've got to have a reason for that. So bear in mind, on previous outings, the Marauders have served Sinister's agenda. And Sinister is all about the future of mutant kind. So there is an answer; it unfolds slowly.

IGN Comics: Let's switch over to Gambit. For those who might have just walked into this issue, and are wondering why he's assaulting his supposed teammates, can you recap why he's in this situation and mindset?

Carey: Gambit has been through some incredible changes recently. I know that there are some differing opinions about this. Gambit chose to throw in his lot with Apocalypse during the "Blood of Apocalypse" storyline, which Peter Milligan wrote before I came on board the title. Gambit didn't do this because he's given up on the X-Men's cause, but because he felt that Apocalypse needed to be watched closely. He knows himself and trusts his own judgment. He doesn't know and trust many other people. He places himself close to Apocalypse so that somebody can pull the plug if it looks like it needs to be pulled.

But what he didn't bear in mind is that when Apocalypse chooses someone to be a Horseman, it's not just a new costume and set of powers. They are actually completely changed by Celestial technology. Gambit undergoes this and becomes something very, very different from what he was when he went in. That story plays out, Apocalypse is thwarted. But for Gambit and Sunfire, the question is where do they go next? Where they go next is Sinister. That's as much as anyone knows really.

IGN Comics: There were two very big betrayals in this issue - Lady Mastermind and Mystique. Can you allude to what's been going on? Have they been working against the team the entire time? Was this just a sudden change of heart? Are they Skrulls?

Carey: -laughs- Are they Skrulls? Yes. Yes, they're both Skrulls!

So, Mystique and Lady Mastermind. One of them is a deep planner. The other is an opportunist. Which is which? Mystique has known what she has been doing for a long, long time. We still don't. We know parts of what she's been doing, we don't know the rest. Mystique doesn't let anyone see her cards, really. With Lady Mastermind, basically you're talking about someone who is borderline psychotic, who has a very unstable personality. She's very vindictive. She's picked up by the X-Men who put her together again, this is how she says thanks.

IGN Comics: One more about Mystique. You mentioned how she keeps her cards close to her. Is her expression of love for Rogue, is that genuine? Or might it, um, not be?

Carey: As an X-Men writer, I'd say, yes, Mystique loves Rogue. But Mystique doesn't always behave in consistent ways. Mystique is a very, very complicated personality. That's made more complicated by the fact that for much of her life she's had to pretend to be somebody else. She doesn't always move directly, in a straight line, towards the things she wants. But, yes, I think she really loves Rogue.

IGN Comics: The X-Men have effectively been crushed. What's coming up?

Carey: The rest of the arc is really addressing the question of what are the Marauders trying to do. What is the big picture of which the attack on the X-Men and all of these killings are only part? Who is pulling the strings? Is it Sinister or something else? And whoever it is, what is the ultimate goal? By issue #203, by the end of this arc, some of these questions are answered. We begin to see what the Marauders are trying to do, why they have chosen to act in this way. That leads them into the bigger picture of the crossover and what's at stake there.


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[bengan]

Love it. ramos sucks, but he sucks good this time :)

[El Bastardo]

<3 Ramos

[bengan]

ah. differnet taste I guess. You either love Bachalo or Ramos.

[anyjus]

I hope Lady Mastermind gets it at the end of this arc. Mystique as well. I hope one at least gets slautered by a X-Man.

[bengan]

I love Lady M( dont know why) and I would love to see her get a lifetim membership to the Marauders. We will see Mystique in MC, so she wont bite the dust, although I think that she has planed all of this and that, yes she do love Rouge.

[flavio_lebeau]

So I took a look at the art on this new X-Men comic and...Gawd, It's cringe worthy...I took a look at Gambit and he's terrible...
I'm a rare comic reader, but I use to buy them when I travel. I can't help but remember when I was a kid and during a travel, I bought this:

http://xmen.dreamers.com/images/comics/ons/uncanny334.jpg

Now this is what I call good pictures. Gambit, Bishop, Juggy, Jean, Cyclops, every character is drawn with such a care. They simply look awesome in every panel, be it huge or the smallest. These new comics simply pay no attention to details, and when the character appears small, it's almost unrecognizable...I miss those comics, whoever drew them should come back. I don't even think these new comics should be allowed to post "Art by ................." because that's not art, that's lazy drawing and lack of talent right on our faces...

[Havok83]

So I took a look at the art on this new X-Men comic and...Gawd, It's cringe worthy...I took a look at Gambit and he's terrible...
I'm a rare comic reader, but I use to buy them when I travel. I can't help but remember when I was a kid and during a travel, I bought this:

http://xmen.dreamers.com/images/comics/ons/uncanny334.jpg

Now this is what I call good pictures. Gambit, Bishop, Juggy, Jean, Cyclops, every character is drawn with such a care. They simply look awesome in every panel, be it huge or the smallest. These new comics simply pay no attention to details, and when the character appears small, it's almost unrecognizable...I miss those comics, whoever drew them should come back. I don't even think these new comics should be allowed to post "Art by ................." because that's not art, that's lazy drawing and lack of talent right on our faces...
well the art did suck at times back then as well as it has always since the X-men have been created. It all depends on who the artist of the month is at the time

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I don't get it...

I've never been a Ramos/Bachalo fan and thought the art so far was in this book was hideous.

But, really, the art in #200 and what we've seen in #201 is ok.

What, is it some sort of thematic 'bigger story somewhat better art' thingy??

[flavio_lebeau]

well the art did suck at times back then as well as it has always since the X-men have been created. It all depends on who the artist of the month is at the time
The artist changes every month? :confused:

I did a research and found out a guy called Joe Madureira drew that issue I spoke about. I bow to him for that.

[Havok83]

The artist changes every month? :confused:

I did a research and found out a guy called Joe Madureira drew that issue I spoke about. I bow to him for that.
I didnt say the artist changes every single month. The book comes out monthly so it depends on who's drawing it at the time. The artist isnt necesarily the same

[El Bastardo]

Yes, MAD did draw that issue. MAD is a god when it comes to drawing the X-Men, I do say. And I'd sell my soul to get him back on an X-Book, but apparently the powers that be demanded he draw Ultimates 3, because... yeah, whatever.

MAD coming back with a bang and drawing X-Men up to Messiah Complex and then doing that mini, or something, would have rocked. Assuming he could have made the deadlines. But I digress.

Between Bachalo and Ramos, Ramos is the closer of the two to MAD, which is probably why I've grown to like him. I first met him when he was working on Wolverine's solo with Guggenheim for the Civil War tie-ins, and while it was odd and jarring at first, eventually he got the giraffe necks under control, and I don't think I've seen them on his X-Men work.

I dunno, I dig the vibe I get from his artwork and how it relates with the material. I dig my X-Men looking cartoony, whether it be because of MAD or something else - I dunno. But I hate Bachalo's artwork, and I think that even though I love Hitch, if he drew an X-Men book, the art wouldn't jive too well.

[Snikt 6]

Bachalo is awesome, but I do wish there was just ONE artist. It seems I got spoiled back in the day, well at least artists stuck it out for at least 12 issues straight.

MAD was awesome....but that was a long time ago. I dont know if he would even want to do X stuff anymore.....

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

I'm fine with more than on artist, as long as I like them both/all. I get why there are more than one, they can't draw monthly, and if it were one artist, we wouldn't get an issue every month, and I like reading my x-men every month... I wish this book came out twice a month.:(

[Snikt 6]

^THAT would be awesome!

[Valechan]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y192/valechan/scan10.jpg

[JustABill]

And the Iceman gay thing has officially really really got old. :o

[Coldqueen]

...that panel is disturbing.

[Halcohol]

Are they actually going at it now?

[Havok83]

Are they actually going at it now?
already did

[squeekness]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y192/valechan/scan10.jpg
LOL! :D *click and save*

[Colossal Spoons]

That's horrible.

[Snikt 6]

Be nice if this turns out that Bobby didn't actually get used.....

[bengan]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y192/valechan/scan10.jpg
Well, Mystique must have had a way to insert that antipower-serum into Bobbys body ;)

[OutcryX]

^^^Wow.....

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

o lord...

[iamlegend]

Well, Mystique must have had a way to insert that antipower-serum into Bobbys body ;)

I'm nominating that for one-liner of the year.

[ProfeZZor X]

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Switch Bobby with Storm, and Mystique for Black Panther... Then, instead of Ben Grimm, make it Destiny... And you got the same scenario. :oldrazz:

[Generation Lee]

I really like the issue for the simple fact that nothing happened it asked more questions than gave answers for some reason I just liked it.

[Snikt 6]

^Yeah, that was a fun read. Looking forward to the next issue......

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Well, Mystique must have had a way to insert that antipower-serum into Bobbys body ;)

I'm nominating that for one-liner of the year.

Seconded. I still haven't picked up my jaw.

And for those who've seen the whole 3 pages with new dialogues, the Lorna/Samson thingy was just hilarious. :woot:

[iamlegend]

Seconded. I still haven't picked up my jaw.

And for those who've seen the whole 3 pages with new dialogues, the Lorna/Samson thingy was just hilarious. :woot:

Oh? Can we get a link?

[AndThePickles]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y192/valechan/scan10.jpg

Haha what the ****

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Oh? Can we get a link?


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This one's about the #201 preview pages. Spoilers warning. I guess.

That being said, God, that last page is hilarious. :woot:

[Xplicit Content]

So, I have nothing better to do this precise moment than examine my #200 cover, an issue that I just got my hands on yesterday. I know this might be a severe case of over-analyzation on my part, but eff it, this is a message board and it's what we do, heh. Anyone notice Emma's body language? She seems to be looking back at the the Marauders while they're doing all the fighting. Arclight is looking back too, but she's at least in an offensive stance. It's almost like Emma's begrudgingly on their side, or possibly a captive. Like she either has no choice or she's up to something. If she does suit up for the Marauders at some point over the next few issues, I honestly don't think it'll be indicative of any betrayel on her part...more like a means to an end.

And what's with the back and forth between Ramos and Bachalo? I understand Ramos was handling the X-Men/Marauder battle and Bachalo was doing the Cable plot, but you would think, as the main guy, Bachalo would have the whole 200 milestone issue to himself. Wasn't the whole point of Ramos doing all the fill-ins to give Bachalo time to do the big arc? Ramos wasn't that bad, but I would've rather have seen Bachalo do the whole issue...or at least swap storylines with Ramos and do the X-Men/Marauder battle.

[Cdnmouse]

And what's with the back and forth between Ramos and Bachalo? I understand Ramos was handling the X-Men/Marauder battle and Bachalo was doing the Cable plot, but you would think, as the main guy, Bachalo would have the whole 200 milestone issue to himself. Wasn't the whole point of Ramos doing all the fill-ins to give Bachalo time to do the big arc? Ramos wasn't that bad, but I would've rather have seen Bachalo do the whole issue...or at least swap storylines with Ramos and do the X-Men/Marauder battle.

I agree. I see Bachalo as a far better artist then Ramos. i would have loved to see Bachalo do the entire thing but at least we got to see some of it.

[Specter313]

SPOILERS FOR X-MEN #200

Last Wednesday fans got a taste of what’s in store for the X-franchise with the revitalization of the Marauders in X-Men #200—they are the deadliest group of evil mutants to ever face anyone with an X on their chest (or belt for that matter). They’ve crippled and maimed a few X-Men and they’ve slaughtered countless numbers of Morlocks—they even killed Cyclops’ first wife Madeline Pryor. They represent one of the X-Men’s deadliest adversaries, Mr. Sinister, a deranged “Mengele-like” geneticist fixated on the survival of the fittest.

Since February, Mike Carey has been keeping Newsarama informed as to the smatterings of rumors involving the Marauders ascendancy to their rightful place in the hierarchy of X-villains. In last week's 200th anniversary issue of X-Men, readers got to feast upon an issue rife with treachery and reeking of death—with Mystique and Lady Mastermind showing their true colors; the return of Malice, as she infects the Omega Sentinel like a computer virus; as well as, the featured return of Gambit (in status quo bad-boy attire) and Sunfire (in his not-so-standard-but-popular Age of Apocalypse attire) and their implication in the apparent death of Cable…

Top that off with Rogue being shot square in her chest by the new leader of the Marauders, her momma—Mystique, and you have quite a momentous book. Not only is it revealed that she is the new leader of Sinister’s crew of malcontents—she’s been hiding amongst the X-Men for quite sometime.

Also, be aware, this issue contains the first installment of the “Endangered Species” back story that will run through X-Men, Uncanny, New X-Men, and X-Factor—the Beast has come to an impasse in his search for a cure to the “No More Mutants” genetic phenomenon. In this installment, he reaches out for help with an offer to some pretty big nasties from all over the Marvel Universe.

We found Mike Carey laughing evilly and twisting the ends of his imaginary evil mustache. Demanding answers, we got more than we bargained for—Carey mentioned a little something about a “Messiah Complex” and the room started to spin…

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/xmen/200/Xmen200_01.jpgNewsarama: Issue #200 showed secrets upon secrets that must have been planned for a while now. How long has all this subterfuge been going on, Mike?

Mike Carey: A lonnnnnnnnnng time…

NRAMA: Was Mystique in on this from the ground floor?

MC: Certainly, she's been working systematically towards this for some while now. Some of this back story will be filled in.

NRAMA: Is Lady Mastermind participating under her own power?

MC: Absolutely. Nobody apart from Karima is being mind-controlled.

NRAMA: Did dirty dealing go down between panels?

MC: Kind of. If you look at the scene where they're all filing out of the room to let Rogue sleep, there are some interesting glances passing between Lady M and Karima..

NRAMA: Time-wise, does the back story take place with Beast making Faustian deals with the X-Men's adversaries take place before their altercation with Marauders?

MC: Yeah, the whole of “Endangered Species” takes place before X-Men#200.

NRAMA: "Messiah Complex" intends to provide the culmination of a number of X-related story lines from the last couple of years. Which characters from your respective books play critical roles? It's already apparent that Scott Summers finally has a real comeuppance after his deconstruction at the hands of Joss Whedon in Astonishing X-Men--who else will rise to the occasion? Are there any characters who fail?

MC: Along the way, yeah, definitely there are. All the Adjectiveless team are involved in the lead-up to the crossover, and most of them are in the thick of the action all the way through. And they don't all come out of it unscathed or on top of the game, by any means. Some of them lose...a lot... in this process. Others kind of come out of it renewed. I'd say...watch Rogue. Watch Mystique. Watch Iceman.

NRAMA: What is the "secret origin" of the Messiah Complex concept? Who got the ball rolling on this idea?

MC: It's lost in the mists of time. I think the first time we started talking about the crossover was the January 2006 creative retreat, and ideas were flying all over at that point. About the only thing I can say for sure is that the first guy to mention Sinister was C.B. Cebulski. We were walking from the cab to the meeting room on the last day of the retreat and he said, "You know, given some of the stuff that was coming up yesterday, I think Sinister ought to be in the mix." And everyone agreed. It had an inevitable logic to it.

It's amazing how amicable the process has been so far. Nobody has seemed to get defensive or over-protective of their own input at any point. There hasn't been complete agreement on everything—how could there be? And not every suggestion has been embraced, by a long way. But as a benchmark of how well it's all come together, everyone left the last retreat, in January of this year, saying "Man, I can't wait to write this."

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/xmen/200/Xmen200_02.jpgNRAMA: With the cast of Astonishing figuring into this series of books—were there any squabbles over who "got dibs" on the direction of certain characters?

MC: Nah, it's more organic than that. The characters come and go through all the books, so you more or less get to write everyone. From the Astonishing cast, I favor Cyclops, Beast and Emma—and if you look back, you'll see I've been using them as supporting cast in Adjectiveless from the day I started.

NRAMA: Sinister's involvement seems fairly indicative--will this event involve other messianic villains? Apocalypse, Magneto, and Exodus have proven to be problematically "god-like" also...

MC: Out of those three, I can give you a definite ‘no’ as far as Apocalypse is concerned. He's been involved in a big, recent story arc and we won't be seeing him in the course of this event. We'll definitely be seeing at least one of the other two though. And you'd best keep an open mind as to whose Messiah Complex the title refers to...

NRAMA: X-Events are considerably more intimate affairs in comparison to larger Marvel epic events. “Endangered Species” and “Messiah Complex” are both very reminiscent, in terms of simplicity and guided readability, to "The Mutant Massacre" event from 20 years ago--is a smaller event like this easier to coordinate? Where do each of you find yourselves challenged the most?

MC: I'm sure it is easier to co-ordinate. It's a different structure, really—a different ground plan. We're telling one story across four titles, complete in itself. The company-wide crossover tells one story but spins a lot of other stories off from it, or drops elements from that one story into the ongoing events in a number of different books that are all pursuing their own independent plotlines. So this isn't like Civil War—still less like Infinite Crisis. It's like an organ point in a musical fugue: for a few bars, all the voices are in perfect synchrony. That's the crossover. Then they move away again and do their own things...

NRAMA: What is your overall opinion of a group cross-over like this? Does this give you a little room to breathe creatively?

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/xmen/200/XMen200Newcover_t.jpgMC: Yeah, I think this is a cool model. It's horses for courses, though, and it depends on what the crossover is meant to achieve. Here what we're doing is playing out the consequences of a lot of big events that have been part of the backdrop for all the X-books for the past year and a half. Inevitably that changes the status quo in the core books, but it has few knock-on effects outside the X-verse. It's a mutant crisis, and the mutants get together to deal with it. There will be a lot of Marvel heavy hitters who don't even know this is happening. Ideally readers will come out of this event both with answers to some big questions and with a clearer sense of where the X-Men are right now and where they're going.

NRAMA: The X-Men always seem to be the most compelling when all the odds are against them and they are on the brink of annihilation. Will “Messiah Complex” mark a return to a more ‘dire’ status quo for the mutants of the Marvel U? Things seem fairly awful right now on the precipice of 'Endangered Species'--care to share your personal interpretations of your books individually?

MC: Yeah, I don't think there's any argument about that. There's something very cool about those moments when the mutants have their backs to the wall and all the odds stacked against them, and they start to fight back. One of the iconic moments I always come back to is Wolverine picking himself up out of the sewers underneath the Hellfire Club. Okay, the X-Men have just been trashed, and their strongest asset has turned into an enemy, but Wolverine has survived by the skin of his teeth and you watch, breathless to see if he can turn this around. The informing idea of the X-Men is the beleaguered minority trying to define itself against the world's pressures and threats. In their finest hours, they more or less *have* to be outgunned, outnumbered and off balance.

In Adjectiveless, the team has been through a year where they've faced a lot of new enemies and come out on top—but in each case, taking harder and harder knocks in the process. Now they're right back in the situation that Rogue pulled them out of back in #188: they're in meltdown, both individually and as a team, and things are going to get a lot worse before they get better.

NRAMA: Without giving anything away, do you have any last words, you disturbed, evil man?

MC: Deep laid plans and desperate improvisation against the backdrop of a steady, terrible war of attrition. Nobody comes out of this untouched.

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[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

The guy has no idea what comeuppance means, now does he?

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Bachalo's Gambit is... sexy. I like it.

[bengan]

To bad hes leaving this title...I think. i really wanted Bachalo to do the "Blinded by the light"-arc.

[Havok83]

To bad hes leaving this title...I think. i really wanted Bachalo to do the "Blinded by the light"-arc.
where did you hear he's leaving?

[squeekness]

Who's taking his place?

[bengan]

Nonono, its just something that me and my friend was discussing. Please someone, dont bust out on me! Its just that Ramos was doing this story(the big one) and we compared the two artist. And somehow we just thought of it as Bachalo has left the building and that Ramos would be the permanent artist. Its nothing and I also said that:
"....leaving this title...I think"

[Snikt 6]

I enjoy Carey's take on this team. I like the fact that the X-Men HAVE to do something to survive this battle, instead of coasting along (like they get to do most of the time.) I wish Bachalo was able to do the whole issue by himself also....

[bengan]

Oh I just reread the issue and found that bachalo pointed out one thing. remember that Bachalo pointed out two things. The issue featured two clocks, and they both showed the same time, fim minutes to six, or MAYBE five minutes two dawn. Remember what Remy said, right?

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g199/ilovebengan/X-Men_200_017.jpg
the clock in the shop
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g199/ilovebengan/X-Men_200_000b.jpg
The clock on Mystiques arm (on the cover), turned in the right position.

Coincidence? I think not!

[Snikt 6]

^Hmmmmmm....good call. I guess that was the sign that the X-Men would be betrayed?

[MattXG]

Read the issue.

Loved it.:heart:


I thought both artists were great. I have no problem with the style.

[Valechan]

HAsn't anyone else noticed that Iceman is a skrull?? His hair is supposed to be brown, not blonde. Skrull.

Mystique can change her shape... much like... the Skrulls!

[Havok83]

HAsn't anyone else noticed that Iceman is a skrull?? His hair is supposed to be brown, not blonde. Skrull.

Mystique can change her shape... much like... the Skrulls!
That would mean there are a bunch of blondes in southern California that are skrulls

[OutcryX]

my gosh...the Skrull theory again...it seems to creep up in every freakin thread

[Valechan]

it's the skrulls, they are among us, making us talk about them...

[Havok83]

it's the skrulls, they are among us, making us talk about them...
maybe you're a skrull :wow:

[OutcryX]

Skrulls vs. Kree vs. Shi'Ar in a threeway deathmatch that nobody can survive...the winner = US

[Valechan]

Us? or United States?

And no Havok, I'm not a skrull, I'm a kree, that's why I try to extend the hatred towards the green spuds...

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

You wouldn't mind us brainwashing your whole racing into becoming Skrull & Shi'Ar-killing suicide bombers, eh?

[OutcryX]

Us? or United States?

And no Havok, I'm not a skrull, I'm a kree, that's why I try to extend the hatred towards the green spuds...

Us...as in everybody who isnt one of those three intergalactic asswipe empires....and sadly Kree, just like Shi'Ar and the Skrulls....must die.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Have whoever who'll slaughter them pull a Black Mage.

Have the kiddies and houses burn first. Then the grown-ups.

No way in hell we don't get to enjoy this.

[Valechan]

You'll be the first suicide bomber after me and my kin brainwash the lot of you :p

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

But the Shi'Ar, Kree and Skrulls all get to die, right?

Cause I could live with that. Well, you know what I mean.

You big meanie, you. :D

[Valechan]

Pama be praised, I must run to pray to him, you see, we kree pray to our god Pama 57 times a day... I'm late for time number 35... I'll be back in a jiffy...

[bengan]

We'll start off with an easy one, Mike. Ahab Johanssen just wanted to know about a few of his favorite characters. “Now that Aurora and Northstar have been restored, will they be showing up in the X-Universe again soon? How about other Alpha-related characters such as Madison Jeffries and Diamond Lil?”

Ahab, stay tuned. There'll be some really cool Beaubier-related news breaking soon – maybe at the San Diego Comic-Con. I don't know of anything planned with Jeffries or Lil. Basically, with Northstar and Aurora, we always planned after the annual to bring them back into the fold and add them to a team roster. Then...well, I think you'll be excited when you hear what's coming up for the twins.


"Endangered Species" chapter 4, page 1
The last time you answered questions for us – in X-POSITION: Week Four – you hinted that X-Man may be playing a role of sorts in “Endangered Species.” Blank picked up on this and wrote in. “I'm very happy about the possibility of a comeback for X-Man. So, any chance we'll see Threnody & Madelyne soon?”

Blank, I was very careful with my wording there. We do get to see X-Man in “Endangered Species,” but it's not in narrative present time. It's more that he's referred to in relation to Beast's quest, and someone makes a statement about him that's perhaps interesting and suggestive in terms of future developments. But it doesn't go any further than that.

Threnody still has her powers, so we could see her again. I have no idea what the situation is with Madelyne.

On the topic of X-Man, Jamie was searching for a few more details. “X-Man (Nate Grey) sacrificed himself so his essence would protect the earth. Was this affected by ‘No More Mutants'? Does his essence still protect the earth? And if not, what is his fate? Will we see Beast consider this?”

I'd say that the status quo remains unchanged there. It was Nate's other-dimensional origin rather than his mutant abilities that made what he did with regard to the Harvesters work. I don't think Wanda's “No More Mutants” edict alters that in any way. I could be wrong, though. Wouldn't it be cool if the fabric of reality somehow spat Nate out again because Wanda changed the world, so that the attunement created by the Anti-Man's powers didn't work any more? Did that sentence even make sense?

Beast does discuss the possibility of Nate still being alive, or being brought back. He dismisses it as a possibility, but there's somebody else who doesn't.

Nice tease! And your sentence did make sense…I think.

In terms of Beast considering things, Bathawk brought up an intriguing conundrum our furry friend had to deal with in the past few years. “At the start of Joss Whedon's first arc in ‘Astonishing,' they introduced a ‘cure' for mutants. Is this an issue at all with only about 200 mutants left? I'm surprised someone isn't considering this an opportunity to ‘fix' the remaining mutant population.” Or is someone considering this?

A lot of people reacted to the Decimation by attacking the mutants when they were down. We saw it immediately with the Sapien League. As far as I know, nobody has yet considered forced administration of the cure. The cure itself isn't in general circulation, of course: there's only one sample left, and it's in the Beast's possession...


"Endangered Species" chapter 4, page 2
Hm, is that a hint or just a reminder?

Well, Zac is fully of sympathy for a particular character and wanted to send his condolences. “Thank you for my favorite take on the X-Men in the last fifteen years, and thanks for bringing back Gambit as well. With what I'm assuming was Cable's death, will we see Cyclops' reaction to losing both his father and his son in this story? This is definitely not his year…”

Thanks, Zac. It was great to be the guy who got to write that scene.

Will we see Cyclops's reaction to Cable's death? Yes, we will, in “X-Men” #204. You're right, he's been through some really bleak times recently.

As long as we're addressing the subject of mourning, Luis wrote in with the following: “Hey Mike! It's great to see you come out with hit after hit in your X-Men issues. No one has done a better time with the guys in a super-long while. My question is, are there any plans to visit some of the mutants' parents soon to see how they feel about everything's that's going on regarding their kids?”

Glad you're enjoying the ride, Luis – and thanks for the kind words.

There's a scene between Beast and Lucinda Guthrie in “Endangered Species” that I'm really happy with – one that you have to read in conjunction with what she said in “New X-Men” after Jay's death....

Thanks for the heads up. We'll make sure to have a tissue handy.

Hi-Fi sounds like he really enjoyed your latest issue. “‘X-Men' #200 really makes Mystique more intriguing than ever. I can see her planning this all along because she hates the X-Men, but how could she do that to Rogue? Does that mean that all she said to her daughter about how much she cares for her was a big lie? I mean, she even saved her life in the Annual when there was no one looking. I'd also like to know if we're going to see a Rogue/Mystique confrontation before the crossover ends.”

Hi-Fi, that's the most crucial question to come out of #200, I think – and I don't want to say anything either way in terms of answering it. I agree, it's a conundrum. Even within #200 itself, Mystique is tearing strips off Emma for not moving quickly enough or decisively enough to deal with Rogue's condition.

You can count on that confrontation.


"Endangered Species" chapter 4, page 4
Mystique has been acting a bit funny lately, but then again, she never has been the most “normal” blue-skinned individual. PrinceRy, therefore, had some questions about her actions. “Mystique's seduction of Bobby seemed misplaced, which leads me to believe that she's either: A) trying to hold emotional sway over Bobby, or B) she just wanted to get some before she betrayed the team. Which is it? And did she have something to do with Bobby's powers not working correctly during the battle?”

Well, I think if Mystique were motivated by good, honest lust, it would be the most straightforward motivation for any of her actions in a long time. The answers to those questions come up very early in #201, PrinceRy.

DocReyes had one more Mystique-related query. “Will the fact that both Mystique and Lady M had mummadrai play a role in explaining their betrayal?”

No, it's not a factor – honest. There's no mind control or manipulation going on here – well, except for Omega Sentinel. Lady M and Mystique both knew exactly what they were doing, and Urizen's possession of them didn't skew or poison their mind in any way.

They knew exactly what they were doing? It's going to be an interesting summer for the X-Men….

We all know Beast is looking for a solution to the mutants' problem in “Endangered Species,” so Ben Dennis wrote in with a suggestion for him. “Mr. Sinister has DNA samples from a lot of mutants (for example, the Marauders, the Summers' brothers). Did those samples get wiped of the mutant gene when the Scarlett Witch did her “No More Mutants” spell? Is the Beast going to look into that as a possibility?”

I must be tired. I read that as “My sister has DNA samples...”

Ben, you're right about Sinister's database and how significant it is. Even if the samples themselves were denatured, you could assume that there's a transcription of them in existence, because Sinister isn't the kind of guy to miss a trick like that.

Is the Beast aware of how important Sinister's data could be? Yes. And he's got a couple of ideas for how to get his hands on it.


"Endangered Species" chapter 5, page 1
Rob Dykstra followed up Ben's idea with a question: “For the Acolytes that return, will they also be clones? It's been hinted that Sinister may have had a hand in resurrecting deceased Acolytes in the past…”

Oh boy, I'm going to fall into a trap here, aren't I? I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the Acolytes we see in this arc are the real deal. Then Eric Kleinstock will show up in the background to a panel, and you'll all go AH-HA!

I think there are many Marvel fans who wish the Scarlet Witch had instead said, “No more clones.”

Two questions came in about “X-Men” #200 – one from Rob and another from LuckyMayhem. They wanted to know who the woman in white was on the Ramos cover to the issue, and how much longer Humberto would be drawing the “X-Men”? (P.S. They hope he's around for a long time to come…)

Oops. I don't have the Ramos cover in front of me. Wasn't the woman in white Lady Mastermind?

Don't worry, Mike. It's X-Editor Nick Lowe to the rescue!

Nick Lowe: That's Malice, ladies and gents. In the story, she's possessing Omega Sentinel; but we didn't want her to feel left out, so she's on the cover anyway.

Mike Carey: As for the artist question, Humberto and Chris are going to alternate on X-Men for the whole of my run.

Nick Lowe: In fact, we didn't want to choose between Humberto and Chris for the crossover, so Humberto is going to be drawing the “New X-Men” issues of the crossover.

Thanks for the great news, Nick! Maybe you can help with the next question, too.

Messiah extracted an intriguing notion from a previous “X-Position” that I thought I'd pass along. “Editor Axel Alonso mentioned he wants to simplify the X-Men and give them unity of purpose. Does that mean that, post-crossover, we will have one big X-Men team, unifying mutants under the same group? Or will we still see splinter groups like X-Factor, Excalibur, etc.?”


"Endangered Species" chapter 5, page 2
Mike Carey: No, there'll still be splinter groups. The main differences will be in the rationale for the groups and the degree to which they're all operating under the same aegis and control.

Nick Lowe: Axel has some big plans for February that we'll be closer to answering around the start of the crossover, but we can't give too much away. I'll tease you a little bit. While we're moving forward in terms of story, the structure of the line will be more reminiscent of X-Men past!

So I guess the question is – how far into the X-Men's past? Let's stick with the present for now though and let Mike get through this X-Position.

SGuthrie had loads of questions about “X-Men” #200 – many of which were brought up by other fans – but I'm going to allow him to speak for everyone. Let's see if we can knock these out in rapid succession:

1) Quiet Bill – who died in the elevator – has appeared in the Gambit ongoing series where he confronted the New Son. His Power was open portals to view alternate realities and timelines, and then cross over into them. My first question is for clarification – was that Scalphunter who killed him?

No, that was Riptide – Janos Quested.

2) Then the second target of the Marauders – the white-haired clock-tinkerer – is he “The Witness,” who we've seen in Bishop's future and various Gambit-related storylines?

He is indeed – well spotted.

3) Finally, with Cable down for the count, are we seeing a pattern of time-anomaly mutants being exterminated here? It sure would cut down on confusing plotlines...er, I mean, R.I.P. Cable.


"X-Men" #200
I could not possibly comment. Quiet Bill's powers weren't time-related exactly, but I know what you mean.

4) I don't exactly expect you to answer this, but what does that ominous phrase “One minute before dawn” mean? Does it refer to Nathan/Cable's other name (Dayspring), or some future event? And what on earth was Sunfire saying about “You die, because that door needs to be closed?” Will this be resolved by the end of the “Endangered Species” storyline, the “Messiah CompleX,” or much later?

All of these things will be resolved within this arc or “Messiah CompleX.”

5) Has Mystique been in on the Marauders' game the whole time, or is she a triple-agent of sorts? I know, Rogue fans looking at the last page are probably screaming at me, but who's to say Raven wasn't trying to take out the bajillion number of alien minds inside her, and knew it could either jump start her own invulnerability powers, or Wolverine would use his healing factor on her? Um, was that question confusing enough?

No, it's cool. I went and lay down in a dark room for a while, and now I'm good. Has Mystique been in on this the whole time? We don't know, but certainly Emma speculates in #201 that this was the reason – the only reason – that Mystique came back to the mansion after she left it during Peter Milligan's run. Her motives are opaque, and even the X-Men are left not knowing what they are or how far her ultimate goals align with Sinister's.

Great questions, SGuthrie!

And Faded is back again this week, because it seems we can't have an X-Position without her. She brought up some interesting points that I thought would be good to wrap up our week with…

1) Were Quiet Bill and The Witness mutants at the time of their death?

We may never know for sure. But I think they were.


"X-Men" #201, page 5
2) Mike, as you confirmed on your blog, Unuscione will be appearing in “X-Men” #202. Can you give us D-List worshippers any other names to chew on that could cameo during “Blinded by the Light”?

Unuscione is the only new Acolyte who appears, Faded – and the Marauders are as you see them in #200. There are some fleeting glimpses (not in narrative present) of a lot of classic characters – including some from Cable's solo series and “X-Treme X-Men.” I'd rather not name names, though. Sorry.

3) Can we count out Emma Frost as a Marauder yet? Was her inclusion in Humberto Ramos' cover of the “X-Men” #200 cover a red herring, or is this a story that has yet to fully unfold?

See above. I don't think that was Emma on that cover – I think it was Lady M. In case I'm totally wrong on that, though, I'll come right out and say that we're not teasing any defection by Emma.

[Editor Nick Lowe jumps back in at this point to scream, “That's Malice!”]

4) With the Marauders and the Acolytes, arguably two of the X-Men's most notable villain teams, re-emerging in this milestone arc, will Mystique's former team – The Brotherhood of Evil Mutants – take part in the festivities?

Not in the space of “Blinded By the Light” or “Messiah CompleX,” no.

5) The New X-Men will serve as cameos in “X-Men” #204, according to recent solicitations. Will any of the New X-Men graduate to one of the core X-Men teams in the near future? If not, what current student would you most want on your team?


"X-Men" #201, page 13
Man, you wait and see the role the New X-Men play in “Messiah CompleX.” Your frontal lobe is going to catch fire.

Will any of the New X-Men graduate? Certainly one of them is going to find himself or herself in some very prestigious company very soon – on a team roster that you wouldn't believe on a bet.

Which student would I most want to co-opt? I have to confess to a real fondness for Armor – loads of potential there.

It seems as though Joss Whedon agrees with you, Mike!

And that wraps up this week's fun and informative Q&A. Next week's guest for “X-Position” is none other than Ed Brubaker, writer of “Uncanny X-Men” and this fall's “Messiah CompleX.” Issue #488 of “Uncanny” is reaching stores today , so buy it, read it, and then e-mail me (with the subject line “X-Position”) your questions ASAP. I'm standing by....
This is an interview by Comic book resources. Theres also a preview of #201 if you just follow this link:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=11066


AND THE LADY IN WHITE IS: (barampabum!!) MALICE!

Nick Lowe: That's Malice, ladies and gents. In the story, she's possessing Omega Sentinel; but we didn't want her to feel left out, so she's on the cover anyway.

[Havok83]

Us? or United States?

And no Havok, I'm not a skrull, I'm a kree, that's why I try to extend the hatred towards the green spuds...
Haha, understood ;)

[Specter313]

Another page from #201:

http://images.comicbookresources.com/news/x-position/070507/XMEN201013_col.jpg

[Snikt 6]

^Looks like it was Malice and not Emma on the Ramos cover.......

[squeekness]

This is an interview by Comic book resources. Theres also a preview of #201 if you just follow this link:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=11066


AND THE LADY IN WHITE IS: (barampabum!!) MALICE!

Nick Lowe: That's Malice, ladies and gents. In the story, she's possessing Omega Sentinel; but we didn't want her to feel left out, so she's on the cover anyway.
That orange color is real bad on the eyes... *hurts*

[Havok83]

^Looks like it was Malice and not Emma on the Ramos cover.......
Malice has no body which means the person on the cover could still have been Emma

[Specter313]

Malice has no body which means the person on the cover could still have been Emma

Read the article. They gave Malice a body because they didn't want her to be "left out" of the pic.

[Snikt 6]

^Yeah, so she is on there twice...once in a body that looks just like Emma....and in Omega. Lame.

[Snikt 6]

That orange color is real bad on the eyes... *hurts*

Yeah, black works really good.

[Slant]

Read the article. They gave Malice a body because they didn't want her to be "left out" of the pic.
Yeah, the whole Emma thing was to get people speculating, I guess. Clever on their part.

[Snikt 6]

^I think it was just bad drawing....thanks Ramos. Put her in the SAME outfit as Emma.....not clever...lame.

[Havok83]

^Yeah, so she is on there twice...once in a body that looks just like Emma....and in Omega. Lame.
makes no sense. I think when Ramos drew it, it was Emma but now tehy are backtracking themselves to cover up the flaw

[Snikt 6]

makes no sense. I think when Ramos drew it, it was Emma but now tehy are backtracking themselves to cover up the flaw

That very well could be it. What do you think of the new Gambit cover, and does anyone know when it will be on the shelves?

[Havok83]

That very well could be it. What do you think of the new Gambit cover, and does anyone know when it will be on the shelves?
I havent seen it

[iamlegend]

That very well could be it. What do you think of the new Gambit cover, and does anyone know when it will be on the shelves?

Can you post an image or link? I'd love to see it.

It'd be the cover to 204, I'd assume?

[Slant]

Its just the new variant for 200. That splash page of Gambit.

[iamlegend]

Its just the new variant for 200. That splash page of Gambit.

Oh, alright.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Malice has no body which means the person on the cover could still have been Emma

Red herring from day one. End of story. :p

[Havok83]

Red herring from day one. End of story. :p
or artist f-ed up and now they are trying to cover their tracks

[OutcryX]

yeah cuz you know, that Malice, when she has a body and all, is quite a looker and a dead wringer for Emma Frost.

[Xplicit Content]

I know, right? I think it was a copout answer. I really don't buy that the mystery woman was intended to be Malice either...the chick never had a body to speak of.

Not that it matters...it is just a cover.

[Snikt 6]

^True, but I think they jacked up too. Kinda funny.

Did anyone else buy all the covers? My wife rolled her eyes when I said I had to get ANOTHER one......I am such a sucker.

[Xplicit Content]

Heh, I got all the covers too...it's rare I do that. I only do it if I really like the covers...and they did a good job on these.

[Snikt 6]

^Yeah, I get both covers for Astonishing too.....

[El Bastardo]

I never buy multiple covers. I can download the images if I want them that badly, since the inside's the same. That said, I bought the Finch cover, because it rocks. Had I bought another cover, I'd have purchased the Ramos cover, because Bachalo's cover sucks. Like Bachalo. :woot:

[Snikt 6]

^Whatever dude. Bachalo's cover is great! - that sounded so lame, but its true.

[ProfeZZor X]

^Whatever dude. Bachalo's cover is great! - that sounded so lame, but its true.

I agree. I picked up Bachalo's cover and Finch's too. The only thing I'm a fan of Ramos is, his Iceman... And that's only because no one else draws him for the time being.... And Bachalo's version sucks... Now that I look back from the beginning of Mike Carey's run... Although his Ultimate Iceman looked phenomenal. But that was only for a brief time.

[Havok83]

I agree. I picked up Bachalo's cover and Finch's too. The only thing I'm a fan of Ramos is, his Iceman... And that's only because no one else draws himfor the time being.... And Bachalo's version sucks... Now that I look back from the beginning of Mike Carey's run... Although his Ultimate Iceman looked phenomenal. But that was only for a brief time.
I hate Ramos' Iceman. I actually think between Bachalo and Ramos, Ramos' cover looks better but thats about it

[ProfeZZor X]

I hate Ramos' Iceman. I actually think between Bachalo and Ramos, Ramos' cover looks better but thats about it

Don't get me wrong... I'm agreeing with you. Since no one else is drawing him besides both Bachalo and Ramos, I'm saying I'd just have to settle for Ramos' version. I dig the spiky hair, but he needs to continue that theme all over his body, like Bachalo did.

If you're comparing Ramos' #201 cover (Sam & Bobby), versus Bachalo's #200 cover (all X-Men), I would have to say that Bachalo won that round... In terms of who drew the better Iceman. But the interior pages,I would have to give to Ramos.

[Havok83]

Don't get me wrong... I'm agreeing with you. Since no one else is drawing him besides both Bachalo and Ramos, I'm saying I'd just have to settle for Ramos' version. I dig the spiky hair, but he needs to continue that theme all over his body, like Bachalo did.

If you're comparing Ramos' #201 cover (Sam & Bobby), versus Bachalo's #200 cover (all X-Men), I would have to say that Bachalo won that round... In terms of who drew the better Iceman. But the interior pages,I would have to give to Ramos.

Im not liking Bachalo's current Iceman. He looks more like an Icefreak or Icemonster

No Im talking about the covers for 200. I think Ramos' Maurarders cover looks better than Bachalo's X-men one

[Snikt 6]

Im not liking Bachalo's current Iceman. He looks more like an Icefreak or Icemonster


That is true....kinda funny if you put it like that :yay:

[emmymae]

I don't dig the drawing myself, but Bachalo did make Gambit really sexy on that full-length splash page. It's cool that it's now a variant cover. I only bought one issue and that one had the Marauder's cover.

[Snikt 6]

^Do we know when the Gambit cover will be on sale?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

It's cool that it's now a variant cover.

No it isn't. Gumbo looks way too girly. Hell, throwing in eye-liner wouldn't even make a difference at that point. :wow:

[UraniaChang]

No it isn't. Gumbo looks way too girly. Hell, throwing in eye-liner wouldn't even make a difference at that point. :wow:


Try to read Japanese comics someday. Almost all the famous comic guys are prettier than girls, and it's a big no-no for guys to have (big) muscles.

[OutcryX]

Try to read Japanese comics someday. Almost all the famous comic guys are prettier than girls, and it's a big no-no for guys to have (big) muscles.


thats is oddly kinda true. and just about all the hugely muscled guys are bad guys. and the good guy heroes do have long flowing hair that gets in their eyes and faces and they move like women....at least in all the ones i've seen...except naruto and dragonball z and ghost in shell and ....:word:

[Coldqueen]

...that's because androgyny is very sexy to some people.

I don't find it so, however.

I like women to look like women and men to look like men. There's a way to do "skinny" on men and women that does not make them look androgenous.

[Specter313]

http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/marvelcomics/200710_advance/XMEN204.jpg


X-MEN #204
Written by MIKE CAREY
Pencils by HUMBERTO RAMOS
Cover by MICHAEL CHOI
“BLINDED BY THE LIGHT—EPILOGUE”
The X-Men lick their wounds after being taken apart by the Marauders. See what remains of Cannonball and Iceman. Discover the fate of Rogue. See the Marauders prepare for the next part of their plan.
Featuring Endangered Species Chapter 15 – The end of Beast's journey. Has he uncovered a new hope for mutantkind?
40 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

[Harlekin]

Baby's got back.

[Canemacar]

http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/marvelcomics/200710_advance/XMEN204.jpg



X-MEN #204


Written by MIKE CAREY


Pencils by HUMBERTO RAMOS


Cover by MICHAEL CHOI


“BLINDED BY THE LIGHT—EPILOGUE”


The X-Men lick their wounds after being taken apart by the Marauders. See what remains of Cannonball and Iceman. Discover the fate of Rogue. See the Marauders prepare for the next part of their plan.


Featuring Endangered Species Chapter 15 – The end of Beast's journey. Has he uncovered a new hope for mutantkind?


40 PGS./Rated A …$2.99




I do *not* like the implications of that cover.

[Specter313]

I do *not* like the implications of that cover.

As in...?

[Canemacar]

Soap opera/angst/lovey-dovey/etc.

You know, all the painful hallmarks of Romy.

[Specter313]

Soap opera/angst/lovey-dovey/etc.

You know, all the painful hallmarks of Romy.

Well, there's also the fact that she's about to touch him with her bare hand and he's got a card ready to explode behind her head. They could just be luring each other in to finish the other one off. :p

[Canemacar]

Which leads to more angst(in fact, just about everything leads to "more angst" with those two). I hope they finish each other off!

[Slant]

Eh, They wouldn't be able to finish each other off.

Rogue would likely pull Gambit back from death again, just like last time, to doom him for an eternity of angst.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Like how they're about to kill each other and, let's face it, the art is gorgeous.

Still, they look like bloody paperback heroes, lol. :D

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Eh, They wouldn't be able to finish each other off.

Rogue would likely pull Gambit back from death again, just like last time, to doom him for an eternity of angst.

You forgot the 'it's because of his own self-loathing, certainly not me' whining and a certain someone asking for hugs and comfort.

[Slant]

Its leagues better than what Ramos would have done, at least for that type of cover.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Eh.

You gotta love how his and Bachallo's ladies' all look alike and how their facial features convey the emotional range of, huh, a WALL.

[Slant]

Not to mention Ramos draws it like everyone has giraffe necks.

[Coldqueen]

I never realized Rogue could twist like that.

YESH. HER FACE TOTALLY LOOKS BLANK LIKE A WALL. WTF?

That is just one of the most awkward poses I have ever seen on a cover.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

YESH. HER FACE TOTALLY LOOKS BLANK LIKE A WALL. WTF?

I was rather referring to the overall vibe of Ramos/Bachallo's art... :woot:

But, I suppose they watched some promo pics of Transformers and decided to go with the Megan Fox vibe. AKA looking hot and something akin to an actual emotion.


That is just one of the most awkward poses I have ever seen on a cover.
Right. As if the x-ladies weren't *that* flexible.

And yes, this is a reference to whatever perverted thought it actually sounds like.

[Coldqueen]

I'm more focused on the men's ability to bend and still perform.

Not the women's.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I think it's called 'hip replacement'.

But then again, wouldn't look so good on a superhero's resume, now would it?

[spark627]

I'm hoping that cover is just overly dramatic, I don't want Rogue and Gambit trying to kill each other. The fate of Rogue line also has me scared.

[iamlegend]

I'm hoping that cover is just overly dramatic, I don't want Rogue and Gambit trying to kill each other. The fate of Rogue line also has me scared.

Oh please, we all know Rogue is going to survive with Carey in charge.

But Rogue and Gambit HAD to meet face to face again eventually... and if it comes in 204, so be it.

By the way folks...

Can I get a re-post of the cover? For some reason I just get the infamous red x.

[iamlegend]

By the way....

I love how they go with the "see what remains" line when referring to Cannonball and Iceman... which is immediately spoiled by the fact that each show up in preview art for Messiah Complex.

[UraniaChang]

http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/marvelcomics/200710_advance/XMEN204.jpg




This pic gives me shudders for reasons unknown, and no, these shudders aren't in a good way.

[iamlegend]

Wow, it is a great looking cover, regardless of what it depicts.

But Canemacar... Have hope. I mean... we are dealing with an artist. Odds are this covers represents some kind of whacked out symbolization of how Gambit and Rogue being close is BAD for the both of them.

Or am I too optimistic?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Nah.

They look positively insane.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

By the way....

I love how they go with the "see what remains" line when referring to Cannonball and Iceman... which is immediately spoiled by the fact that each show up in preview art for Messiah Complex.

Meh, they pretty much started a thread with Mystique's imminent betrayal. Might as well go with it.

And I still haven't figured out why *anyone* would even worry about Rogue, Bobby & Sam. :whatever:

[OutcryX]

Like how they're about to kill each other and, let's face it, the art is gorgeous.

Still, they look like bloody paperback heroes, lol. :D

looks like the cover of a Danielle Steele novel. gambit should be played by Fabio with Sandra bullock as Rogue

[OutcryX]

By the way....

I love how they go with the "see what remains" line when referring to Cannonball and Iceman... which is immediately spoiled by the fact that each show up in preview art for Messiah Complex.


well, maybe, well im sure they WILL, have their asses handed to them and the remains are their bloody pulps lying on the floor/ground of Rogue's home.....only to fully recover in time to make the cover of the Messiah Complex

[The Englishman]

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X-MEN #204


Written by MIKE CAREY


Pencils by HUMBERTO RAMOS


Cover by MICHAEL CHOI


“BLINDED BY THE LIGHT—EPILOGUE”


The X-Men lick their wounds after being taken apart by the Marauders. See what remains of Cannonball and Iceman. Discover the fate of Rogue. See the Marauders prepare for the next part of their plan.


Featuring Endangered Species Chapter 15 – The end of Beast's journey. Has he uncovered a new hope for mutantkind?


40 PGS./Rated A …$2.99



Great art, why cant this artist do the entire book??

[Havok83]

That cover looks damn good

[El Bastardo]

Is she rubbing his ear? So he's going to make her head go all explodey and she's going to... suck his soul out through his ear.

Death by ear. Awesome. :up:

[iamlegend]

Is she rubbing his ear? So he's going to make her head go all explodey and she's going to... suck his soul out through his ear.

Death by ear. Awesome. :up:

Eh. That particular quirk is really just there to keep Rogue's hand in view... It wouldn't make much sense if she was reaching behind his head, since that'd obscure stuff.

And to be fair, even Gambit couldn't survive a card exploding at that range... So if anything alone those lines actually happened Gambit would be going out "Blaze of Glory" style. :woot:

[Slant]

And to be fair, even Gambit couldn't survive a card exploding at that range... So if anything alone those lines actually happened Gambit would be going out "Blaze of Glory" style. :woot:
That almost sounds like a good idea. He blows them both up, but not without grabbing her behind on the way out.

As pointed out before, it'd save us the drama. At least until we get an "Rogue and Gambit: Afterlife" ongoing.

[iamlegend]

That almost sounds like a good idea. He blows them both up, but not without grabbing her behind on the way out.

As pointed out before, it'd save us the drama. At least until we get an "Rogue and Gambit: Afterlife" ongoing.

I think everyone is overreacting a bit... Just because Gambit and Rogue are on a cover together like that doesn't mean we're going to wind up going back to the basics.

But YES they are going to have a drama/angsty meeting when they see each other again. Why? BECAUSE IT HAS TO HAPPEN! I mean, Gambit and Rogue were in a relationship for years, and now Gambit's fighting alongside a group of people that're trying to kill the X-Men.

It just wouldn't make sense for Gambit and Rogue to just ignore each other.

Long story short, lets get through Messiah Complex before we start griping about Romy angst. It has to get worse before it gets better, after all...

[Slant]

Yeah, it was going to happen eventually. They can only pull off the "They're conveniently in separate places while dealing with the same storyline" bit for so long.

As long as they don't get carried away..

[Slant]

Plus, I wanna see how Gambit manages to pull one by Sinister, Mystique, AND Exodus.

Its gotta happen. :)

[iamlegend]

Plus, I wanna see how Gambit manages to pull one by Sinister, Mystique, AND Exodus.

Its gotta happen. :)

I'm still convinced that something big will happen with Remy. Maybe Gambit'll get to the first-born mutant baby before everyone else... and then go into hiding, further clouding his true alliances.

[OutcryX]

Or maybe Gambit gets the first(and possibly last) born mutant baby...then Rogue touches it. how funny would THAT be

[UraniaChang]

IMaybe Gambit'll get to the first-born mutant baby before everyone else

With whom? Unless Gambit has the ability of asexual reproduction...

[Colossal Spoons]

Rogue looks good on that cover :up:

[iamlegend]

With whom? Unless Gambit has the ability of asexual reproduction...

I was implying that Gambit would get his hands on the first born mutant baby... which supposedly plays a role in Messiah Complex. Not that he'd be the father. :wow:

He could, you know, steal it. :woot:

[OutcryX]

I was implying that Gambit would get his hands on the first born mutant baby... which supposedly plays a role in Messiah Complex. Not that he'd be the father. :wow:

He could, you know, steal it. :woot:

him being a master thief and all....that and if the baby comes out with the ability to fly, with super strength and invulnerability...it'd be the perfect sacrifice to give rogue back her powers

[iamlegend]

him being a master thief and all....that and if the baby comes out with the ability to fly, with super strength and invulnerability...it'd be the perfect sacrifice to give rogue back her powers

Ugh. :wow:

I'd probably punch myself in the face for even purchasing the book if that's what happened.

[OutcryX]

Ugh. :wow:

I'd probably punch myself in the face for even purchasing the book if that's what happened.

lol. here's hoping it doesnt

[Slant]

Thats not going to happen.

Rogue is going to go to Sinister to get all that crap out of her head. Just watch.

[flavio_lebeau]

That cover looks damn awesome, despite anything anyone might have against its meanings. It's good to see people who can actually draw still exist on the X-books.

I doubt that cover has any true meaning too. Most covers show something that actually never happens on the story.

[Rogue's Hand]

I don't think the cover expressed anything that will
actually happen in the issue.

[Coldqueen]

Is she rubbing his ear? So he's going to make her head go all explodey and she's going to... suck his soul out through his ear.

Death by ear. Awesome. :up:

Best. Comment. Ever.

[ProfeZZor X]

I absolutely HATE that cover. It's bad enough they're both highly disfunctional as a couple, so why would they be together? And I know the cover might be a decoy, but seeing them together sickens me. They've been through far too much to even consider a reunion.

Though I could totally see them going at each other like that movie Mr. & Mrs. Smith.

[Slant]

They're not exactly together on the cover though.

[OutcryX]

Though I could totally see them going at each other like that movie Mr. & Mrs. Smith.

only if the fight doesnt end in them making wild monkey love in a trashed house

[iamlegend]

I absolutely HATE that cover. It's bad enough they're both highly disfunctional as a couple, so why would they be together? And I know the cover might be a decoy, but seeing them together sickens me. They've been through far too much to even consider a reunion.

Though I could totally see them going at each other like that movie Mr. & Mrs. Smith.

Well, seeing as how Gambit got a card charged and Rogue has her gloves off that's very likely.

But the fallout from Rogue and Gambit's relationship is NOT over yet. I don't want them to re-enter a relationship either, but I recognize that they will have to get through a few motions before they're officially no longer a pair.

Fighting is a start.

[Slant]

Also, ProfeZZor, you should be more worried about Iceman and his STD Mystique gave him :D

[UraniaChang]

Well, seeing as how Gambit got a card charged and Rogue has her gloves off that's very likely.

But the fallout from Rogue and Gambit's relationship is NOT over yet. I don't want them to re-enter a relationship either, but I recognize that they will have to get through a few motions before they're officially no longer a pair.

Fighting is a start.


Setting an example of 'Modern-Day Relationship: How to break up with your girl/boyfriend properly'. :woot:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

yeah, but you're not supposed to take the "BREAK" part THAT literally. :D

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, that cover is bad.