Official X-MEN: LEGACY Discussion Thread

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Wait, and the art on NXM is good??? :wow:

[Colossal Spoons]

It was....up until this last issue. Surge's face was waaaay weird.

[Specter313]

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X-MEN #201
Written by MIKE CAREY
Pencils & Cover by HUMBERTO RAMOS
The Marauders' trap closes on the X-Men - from within and from without! But devastating though it is, this attack is only a move in a larger game - and the survivors of Rogue's team have to figure out what the objective is before they can have a prayer of fighting back...
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99

[Harlekin]

Wow, boob shot.

[squeekness]

Poor Iceman..he finally gets some and blam! Goodbye heart.... :(

[emmymae]

That just makes my heart sink. At least Rogue isn't dead.

[iamlegend]

Poor Iceman..he finally gets some and blam! Goodbye heart.... :(

And elsewhere!?!?!?

[Xplicit Content]

Heh, I've heard a lot of people refer to how much of a trap the cat can be...but Mystique just took it to a whole new level. Note to all her future comic conquests...beware of the cat!

[Coldqueen]

ROFLMAO...

The entire Mystique/Iceman situation is frakking HILARIOUS.

It does not bode well that Rogue is "their's". What do the Marauders want with her? Better yet, what does Sinister want with her?

[UraniaChang]

It does not bode well that Rogue is "their's". What do the Marauders want with her? Better yet, what does Sinister want with her?

Cure her of her 'untouchable' problem, probably.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

So she can drain the life/powers out of some retconned (or newborn, eh) Omega? :D

[Specter313]

And elsewhere!?!?!?

I totally called it. Power neutralizer in her cooch. :p

[OutcryX]

I totally called it. Power neutralizer in her cooch. :p

was it in her cooch...or coated around her morphed penis?:word:

[iamlegend]

was it in her cooch...or coated around her morphed penis?:word:

Outcry, I didn't even have to look to the left to know it was you that posted this.

Is that sad? Or just funny? :woot:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Is that sad? Or just funny? :woot:

Tradition, actually.

[OutcryX]

Wha??? what i say? :)

[ProfeZZor X]

Y'see, this is the kind of serious art this book needs (Brandon Petersen). Great visuals to go with great writing, with as much visual detail as it is written. Both would go hand in hand. And from what I've been told, Bachalo is moving over to Spiderman... Good ridance.

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[bengan]

This is the best that Ramos has done so far. But I wouldnt want Bachalo to go, even if Petersen is a good choice. His UXM rocks :)

[El Bastardo]

And from what I've been told, Bachalo is moving over to Spiderman... Good ridance.

YAY. Goodbye, Bachalo!

[ProfeZZor X]

Here's the article: http://comics.ign.com/articles/807/807168p1.html

Spider-Man - Brand New Day: Mystery Artist Debut
IGN Exclusive - Day One: Introducing one of the creators behind Marvel's thrice-monthly Amazing Spider-Man direction.
by Richard George


July 20, 2007 - One month ago, at Wizard World Philadelphia 2007, Marvel Comics revealed big changes were in store for Spider-Man. For months fans had heard about the epic storyline entitled "One More Day." Drawn by Marvel Editor-in-Chief Joe Quesada and scribed by J. Michael Straczynski, the four-issue arc was supposed to change Spidey's life forever. "One More Day" would also be Straczynski's last story; the writer has been working on Amazing Spider-Man for over six years.

But the news revealed in Philly was regarding what would come after this major storyline. Sensational and Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man would be cancelled. Amazing would step in their places, shipping three times a month, creating a unified approach to the superhero drama.

However Marvel stopped there. It didn't announce the creative teams behind this new endeavor. Rumors ran rampant, particularly with the teaser image that was released (see our related story below to view that image). But fans wouldn't have to wait long. San Diego Comic-Con 2007 would reveal all.

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But we at IGN Comics have never been the patient type. We've managed to secure the first interior art from the "Brand New Day" initiative (the marketing slogan attached to the new, thrice-monthly direction). Starting today, and spread throughout the next week, we'll be unveiling pieces from one particular artist's finished interior work. Here's the slight catch: We can't specifically say who it is.

Astute comic book aficionados are probably going to figure it out - if not today, then certainly as we reveal some more. We encourage the speculation, and if you think you know who it is, feel free to comment in our feedback thread below. More importantly, maybe determining who this is will let you see other trends with Marvel talent, and maybe you can narrow the potential talent pool even more. Regrettably, IGN knows the entire creative team, but we can't say. But we're doing the best we can - and wait until you see the final piece, which will be unveiled Saturday morning. To say it kicks ass isn't doing it enough justice. And rest assured, when you finally know who's involved, you'll understand just how amazing Spider-Man will be.

So stay tuned to IGN all this week as we bring you more from our Mystery Artist as well as some other very cool exclusives. San Diego is right around the corner - and there are going to be some incredible announcements.

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Think you know who this is? Speculate with other IGN readers by posting your comments below. Your comments are actually linked to our free message boards (which are located here, so swing by some time and chat away!

[El Bastardo]

Eh, even if he does go do his hackwork on Spidey (which I'm fine with, since I don't read Spidey), isn't Bachalo still confirmed as being on X-Men throughout the crossover? He and Ramos will still be sharing pencil duties throughout?

He's not leaving fast enough! :cmad:

[ProfeZZor X]

Eh, even if he does go do his hackwork on Spidey (which I'm fine with, since I don't read Spidey), isn't Bachalo still confirmed as being on X-Men throughout the crossover? He and Ramos will still be sharing pencil duties throughout?

He's not leaving fast enough! :cmad:

Even though I don't like either artist, I kind of prefer Ramos to Bachalo's work. I still think Marvel needs a serious artist on this book, like the one I posted in #4267.

Mike Carey takes his character seriously, and there should be an artist attached to this title that visually gives the same amount of intensity. Not some manga/cartoony style...

[El Bastardo]

I much prefer Ramos over Bachalo.

I see your point, but I dunno. Yeah, Petersen would probably mesh well with Carey, but I think Ramos meshes well with Carey too. I suppose that Bachalo does, but I just can't stand the guy's artwork.

While Petersen's work is more "serious" - and I think that's the wrong word, because the other art is serious, too... "realistic" is probably the better choice of words - "realistic," we'll go with, Ramos's brings a certain high-energy vibe to the book, which is why I appreciate it so much.

And it's why I hate Bachalo's artwork, because his pencils are a veritable Where's Waldo? cluster****.

[The Englishman]

Yeah petersen or the guy curently doing New Excalibur.

[OutcryX]

Brandon Peterson??? i remember him. he's awesome. they need to raid the old image artists and steal them back over to the mainstream..Brett booth anyone? Travest Charest, Jae Lee, Dustin Nguyen...all incredibly talented artists

[El Bastardo]

Rob Liefeld!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[OutcryX]

Rob Liefeld!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*points shotgun directly at El Bastardo*

[El Bastardo]

Hee. :woot: :woot:

[OutcryX]

I meant good artists..from Wildstorm and TopCow.....and everybody that WASNT Liefeld that worked on Youngblood and Team Youngblood and Bloodpool...

[El Bastardo]

We all know you're a closet Liefeld fan.

[OutcryX]

We all know you're a closet Liefeld fan.

the man was the absolute worst thing to ever happen to comics...i mean..he created CABLE....ugh

[El Bastardo]

You know... if you keep messing with characters I like, I'm going to wage bloody war on your precious Dragonball Z characters.

[OutcryX]

You know... if you keep messing with characters I like, I'm going to wage bloody war on your precious Dragonball Z characters.

i've moved on from Dragonball Z...im into Naruto and Bleach now....and i cant help it you like lame characters...thats a flaw within yourself that you need to work on

[El Bastardo]

Go spout that Haterade in the X-Factor thread, you hideous beast :cmad:

[OutcryX]

Go spout that Haterade in the X-Factor thread, you hideous beast :cmad:

i can spew it here as well...seeing as Cable is/was a member of X-Men...he sucked there too

[Rogue's Hand]

I just read 201 and I'm impressed.
Cannonball did his thing and so did Iceman.
Carey is shedding light on everyone on the team at a nice pace.
BTW, I'm sooooo excited to find out why Mystique kidnapped Rogue! :wow:

[OutcryX]

Post descriptions and spoiler please!! issue synopsis!

[Rogue's Hand]

Okay here's a quick skim through being that I'm at work :cwink:

Quick summary:

The issue starts off with Emma on the ground mentally scanning the fight. Omega Sentinel hit her with some sort of biotoxin and she couldn't move. She realizes Rogue is injured, Karima is posessed by Malice, Lady M is willingly fighting against them, and that last but not least Mystique is the leader of the Marauders. She scans Sam's mind to download everything she found in his brain. Their goals, remaining targets, to give Sam some slight advantage. She notices that the X-men are outnumbered and basically manipulates and controls Cannonball's mind forcing him to snatch up and save Iceman and flee the scene in order to regroup.

Sam is upset that Emma is making him do this. During the fighting you can see Mystique beat up Iceman revealing that she had a "neural inhibitor in her lipstick and elsewhere...". Emma invades Sam's mind and advises him to "Relax" and let her drive. Cannonball is struggling to not leave because he feels it's not over for them. Then, Iceman is seen about to get stabbed by Harpoon while in his human form after Mystique weakended him when suddenly Sam sweeps him to safety onto the Blackbird 1. Later Arclight is seen beating up Beast and Mystique kicks Cyclops in the face. She later tells the Marauders to pull back because they've got what they came here for (Rogue) and they are still on time. The Marauders leave the house and Arclight destroys it so they can't be followed. Then Lady M asks Mystique about what they are going to do about Sam & Bobby escaping, Mystique responds that "they didn't get away, Wyngarde. They just chose to die somewhere else."

Iceman & Cannonball are later seen on the Blackbird and
Bobby is asking Sam why he ran from a fight. Sam says he didn't run, he was pushed. Bobby says he can turn around because there is still time. Sam tells him that Emma was right and there is no time because the Marauders have got a list of targets. He doesn't see the connection but he has to warn everyone they are coming. He tries to contact Kitty & Peter back at the mansion but all of a sudden the Blackbird is blasted in the wing by Sunfire. Kitty & Peter are trying to contact Scott's team and are not successful. Kitty is concerned and Peter asks her if she wants him to take Blackbird 2 and rendezvous with Scott's team. She says she doesn't feel they should split up because that's usually bad ideas in horror movies. She reminds him that Scott said to stay there and look after the students so her and Peter just decide to reset the alarms.

The New X-Men are seen in the game room. Blindfold walks in and says Joshua's (Elixir) name. He says he doesn't see her oftenand apologizes forgetting she is blind. She responds saying "There is a light, yes. But the darkness is better to see by. It has much to do with Seeds. He knows our minds, and means us harm. What intervenes is Gold, inlaid with Jet." Whatever that meant, Elixir then tells her that this will go like all their previous conversations and she will pass out causing him to call Dr. McCoy. Blindfold grabs his wrists on both hands and says again "What intervenes is Gold! Thank You, says the patient." Elixir asks her not to touch him and all of a sudden a blast of golden energy is seen surrounding them.

Sam & Bobby are on the Blackbird and Sam asks him how his ice powers are doing. Bobby says he needs to get at Sub-Zero to give himself a jump-start. Sam tells him to take the wheel while he goes to deal with whatever hit thejet. He goes outside and starts fighting Sunfire immediately. Sunfire tells him he'll die exactly as Cable died. Sam asks him to confirm if he really killed Nate? Then while he knocks him in mid-air he says that the only way he'd believe that is if they showed him the body. Then while fighting Shiro says "You're meant to be invulnerable when you fly. But a snail may be cooked in its shell. And you, inside of that blast field yours." Sam says it's theory and it has yet to happen while crashing into Sunfire. He asks Shiro why didn't he tell him he fought Cable. He demands he tells him about it. Then Bobby is shown opening the door to the jet and jumping out. He's starts crying while looking at his hands hoping for his powers to work and all of a sudden he's all iced up again. He slides past Sam returning the favor and snatching him up out of the fight w/ Sunfire to help him. Sam asks Bobby how he got his powers to work and he says it was the wind-chill and that he was 9,000ft up. He asks Sam about the list of targets and if they were at the top. Sam says Rogue was at the top, and second was---

The New X-Men are seen looking over Blindfold. She's passed out w/ some injuries. Elixir says she just grabbed both his hands and the black part of him that kills was right there. Rockslide suggests that he touches her with his other hand so he can bring her back. He says he already did because she grabbed both his hands. Hellion tells Pixie to run and get one of the teachers now. Pixie flies to get Kitty.

Peter & Kitty are seen reseting the alarms when all of a sudden Kitty asks Peter did his ears just pop. He says his ears never pop. Kitty then says "Son of a-- Petey, I think the pressure just--" and a huge explosion occurs. All of a sudden Exodus, Random, Tempo, Frenzy, and Carmella Unuscione fly in through the hole in the roof of the mansion while Kitty & Peter are seen staring up at them.

Exodus then says "Deal with the X-men and retrieve the books. The killing, I'll do myself."

[Canemacar]

Gambit is conspicuous in his absence.

[Slant]

Sunfire did fly from Providence to wherever. Maybe Gambits just lagging behind. :)

[Canemacar]

Sunfire did fly from Providence to wherever. Maybe Gambits just lagging behind. :)

Those damn Providence airlines are slow as hell!

[Slant]

Either that or he had to swim the whole way.

[Canemacar]

In the Dream's End storyline, Rogue carried Wolverine and Bishop from America to Muir Island via a harness attached to leash-like ropes. I wonder if Gambit and Sunfire could set up something like that.

[Slant]

They might be able to, but Sunfire's a bit of a jackass.

[iamlegend]

In the Dream's End storyline, Rogue carried Wolverine and Bishop from America to Muir Island via a harness attached to leash-like ropes. I wonder if Gambit and Sunfire could set up something like that.

Eh, Gambit wouldn't exactly be a lot of use in an all-out attack on a still flying Blackbird... He'd just wind up getting cooked if he had to trail behind Sunfire during a fight too.

That, and I imagine theyr'e going for a big "Gambit is back and trying to kill us!" moment in front of more team members. The only reason Cable got to see him already is because he, well, disappeared afterwards.

[OutcryX]

Okay here's a quick skim through being that I'm at work :cwink:

Quick summary:

The issue starts off with Emma on the ground mentally scanning the fight. Omega Sentinel hit her with some sort of biotoxin and she couldn't move. She realizes Rogue is injured, Karima is posessed by Malice, Lady M is willingly fighting against them, and that last but not least Mystique is the leader of the Marauders. She scans Sam's mind to download everything she found in his brain. Their goals, remaining targets, to give Sam some slight advantage. She notices that the X-men are outnumbered and basically manipulates and controls Cannonball's mind forcing him to snatch up and save Iceman and flee the scene in order to regroup.

Sam is upset that Emma is making him do this. During the fighting you can see Mystique beat up Iceman revealing that she had a "neural inhibitor in her lipstick and elsewhere...". Emma invades Sam's mind and advises him to "Relax" and let her drive. Cannonball is struggling to not leave because he feels it's not over for them. Then, Iceman is seen about to get stabbed by Harpoon while in his human form after Mystique weakended him when suddenly Sam sweeps him to safety onto the Blackbird 1. Later Arclight is seen beating up Beast and Mystique kicks Cyclops in the face. She later tells the Marauders to pull back because they've got what they came here for (Rogue) and they are still on time. The Marauders leave the house and Arclight destroys it so they can't be followed. Then Lady M asks Mystique about what they are going to do about Sam & Bobby escaping, Mystique responds that "they didn't get away, Wyngarde. They just chose to die somewhere else."

Iceman & Cannonball are later seen on the Blackbird and
Bobby is asking Sam why he ran from a fight. Sam says he didn't run, he was pushed. Bobby says he can turn around because there is still time. Sam tells him that Emma was right and there is no time because the Marauders have got a list of targets. He doesn't see the connection but he has to warn everyone they are coming. He tries to contact Kitty & Peter back at the mansion but all of a sudden the Blackbird is blasted in the wing by Sunfire. Kitty & Peter are trying to contact Scott's team and are not successful. Kitty is concerned and Peter asks her if she wants him to take Blackbird 2 and rendezvous with Scott's team. She says she doesn't feel they should split up because that's usually bad ideas in horror movies. She reminds him that Scott said to stay there and look after the students so her and Peter just decide to reset the alarms.

The New X-Men are seen in the game room. Blindfold walks in and says Joshua's (Elixir) name. He says he doesn't see her oftenand apologizes forgetting she is blind. She responds saying "There is a light, yes. But the darkness is better to see by. It has much to do with Seeds. He knows our minds, and means us harm. What intervenes is Gold, inlaid with Jet." Whatever that meant, Elixir then tells her that this will go like all their previous conversations and she will pass out causing him to call Dr. McCoy. Blindfold grabs his wrists on both hands and says again "What intervenes is Gold! Thank You, says the patient." Elixir asks her not to touch him and all of a sudden a blast of golden energy is seen surrounding them.

Sam & Bobby are on the Blackbird and Sam asks him how his ice powers are doing. Bobby says he needs to get at Sub-Zero to give himself a jump-start. Sam tells him to take the wheel while he goes to deal with whatever hit thejet. He goes outside and starts fighting Sunfire immediately. Sunfire tells him he'll die exactly as Cable died. Sam asks him to confirm if he really killed Nate? Then while he knocks him in mid-air he says that the only way he'd believe that is if they showed him the body. Then while fighting Shiro says "You're meant to be invulnerable when you fly. But a snail may be cooked in its shell. And you, inside of that blast field yours." Sam says it's theory and it has yet to happen while crashing into Sunfire. He asks Shiro why didn't he tell him he fought Cable. He demands he tells him about it. Then Bobby is shown opening the door to the jet and jumping out. He's starts crying while looking at his hands hoping for his powers to work and all of a sudden he's all iced up again. He slides past Sam returning the favor and snatching him up out of the fight w/ Sunfire to help him. Sam asks Bobby how he got his powers to work and he says it was the wind-chill and that he was 9,000ft up. He asks Sam about the list of targets and if they were at the top. Sam says Rogue was at the top, and second was---

The New X-Men are seen looking over Blindfold. She's passed out w/ some injuries. Elixir says she just grabbed both his hands and the black part of him that kills was right there. Rockslide suggests that he touches her with his other hand so he can bring her back. He says he already did because she grabbed both his hands. Hellion tells Pixie to run and get one of the teachers now. Pixie flies to get Kitty.

Peter & Kitty are seen reseting the alarms when all of a sudden Kitty asks Peter did his ears just pop. He says his ears never pop. Kitty then says "Son of a-- Petey, I think the pressure just--" and a huge explosion occurs. All of a sudden Exodus, Random, Tempo, Frenzy, and Carmella Unuscione fly in through the hole in the roof of the mansion while Kitty & Peter are seen staring up at them.

Exodus then says "Deal with the X-men and retrieve the books. The killing, I'll do myself."

thanks! wow..this book is getting really good...i am also liking how they are tying the younger x-men into the mainfold..unlike what they did with GenX

[squeekness]

Gambit is conspicuous in his absence.
I know. :( I was hoping for another nice big panel to scan...

[mjdiddy1]

Is it me or is this book hot! I stop reading XMen a few years ago because once the movie came out they started to try and conform to it. Now Mike Carey is bringing it back to what it was. If they can repopulate the mutant ranks again I'd be a happy camper. I don't like the fact that Cable is dead as a motivation for Sam to finally shine but I glad he and Bobby are shining. But I would love for Cable to come back as uncaring bada** out for vengence against Sunfire and Gambit (Carey has made those guys the 2 guys you love to hate and i'm loving it)

[Valechan]

That Exodus line sounded so much like a Voldemort line...

[ragingdemon155]

Gambit is conspicuous in his absence.

That was my only quirt with the issue.

Hearing about Gambit's return was one of the main reasons for me returning to X-men comics in the first place. All in all the issue was still great, but I need Gambit dammit!:o

[iamlegend]

That was my only quirt with the issue.

Hearing about Gambit's return was one of the main reasons for me returning to X-men comics in the first place. All in all the issue was still great, but I need Gambit dammit!:o

As others have pointed out, while Sunfire attacked the X-Jet Gambit was probably trekking back to base camp... Awaiting the Marauders and their "package" (Rogue).

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

So, 201.

Is it me or did the book drop back back to 'good but nothing mind-blowing' in one single issue? :D

Sunfire tried to take on a jet... why exactly??

And what's up with Pete ALWAYS using his powers? :D

Still, not a bad read at all. Not quite sure the first half of BBTL has delivered, but oh well, let's wait and see.

[iamlegend]

So, 201.

Is it me or did the book drop back back to 'good but nothing mind-blowing' in one single issue? :D

Sunfire tried to take on a jet... why exactly??

And what's up with Pete ALWAYS using his powers? :D

Still, not a bad read at all. Not quite sure the first half of BBTL has delivered, but oh well, let's wait and see.

Eh. When you end one issue in a major cliffhanger you know the follow up won't have much. You get the conclusion to said cliffhanger... and whatever else can fit in the remaining space.

[El Bastardo]

^ Sadly, that's true enough.

This issue was pretty darn sweet, though. Despite having to follow the cliffhanger from last issue, I don't think this issue really lost any steam or energy, but kept chugging along at a pretty steady pace. I still say that Ramos's pencils carry way more energy than Bachalo's, and thus serve Carey better. But I digress.

And I dunno, Darth. Why wouldn't Sunfire attack a Blackbird? Considering that one panel where one of his blasts had taken out a chunk of the wing, I'd say that had his attack not been interfered with, it would've been pretty successful. I mean, the evidence is there.

I'd say the first half of Blinded By the Light has delivered. And what're you complaining about? You barely had to put up with any Carey-Rogue love this issue. :woot:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

...Complaining??

Refer to the GOOD angle of my comment. :p

[Rogue's Hand]

Are we almost sure that Mystique is the leader of
the Marauders? Or is she obviously reporting for duty to work for Sinister?
I'm really intrigued by what her intentions are in this whole fiasco.

[Generation Lee]

Is it just me or is this storyline, X-Factors and Uncanny's all linked some how. I know the cross over is comming but each team is being attacked in similar ways???

[Havok83]

Wow, I didnt even realize a new issue came out this week

[Specter313]

Are we almost sure that Mystique is the leader of
the Marauders? Or is she obviously reporting for duty to work for Sinister?
I'm really intrigued by what her intentions are in this whole fiasco.

She's the field leader. Note how she was the one barking all the orders to the others.

[Colossal Spoons]

Man, I hope they kill Rogue.

[Havok83]

Man, I hope they kill Rogue.
pretty to be dissapointed my friend

[Colossal Spoons]

Of course. Well at least have Colossus beat the heck out of Random :D

[Canemacar]

Of course. Well at least have Colossus beat the heck out of Random :D

With Exodus on his side? Ruskie's gonna get curbstomped!

[Havok83]

whats the deal on Bachalo? I just read that he's going to be one of the new artist on Amazing Spiderman. Does that mean he's leaving this title? If so is Ramos the new regular artist? Please dont tell me thats the case

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, ASM is getting like 4 new creative teams. Not sure what's up w/ that :huh:

[JustABill]

Yeah, ASM is getting like 4 new creative teams. Not sure what's up w/ that :huh:
They cancelled all Spider titles besides Amazing.It'll be shipping 4 times a month. So there's now a need for 4 creative teams.

[Havok83]

Yeah, ASM is getting like 4 new creative teams. Not sure what's up w/ that :huh:
but is he going to be doing X-men as well or only ASM?

[iamlegend]

They cancelled all Spider titles besides Amazing.It'll be shipping 4 times a month. So there's now a need for 4 creative teams.

Now stuff like that is what I like to hear. Confine all the happenings to one book...

Of course, Spidey's in books all over the Marvel U, so it won't really make a difference... :whatever:

[Colossal Spoons]

They cancelled all Spider titles besides Amazing.It'll be shipping 4 times a month. So there's now a need for 4 creative teams.

Wow, that's serious.

[Specter313]

whats the deal on Bachalo? I just read that he's going to be one of the new artist on Amazing Spiderman. Does that mean he's leaving this title? If so is Ramos the new regular artist? Please dont tell me thats the case

Don't know if Bachalo will be doing both at once, but Ramos is definitely not becoming the regular artist. Unfortunately, I know that because he's becoming the regular artist for one of my other favorite books, Runaways. He's gonna ruin that book. :(

[Havok83]

Don't know if Bachalo will be doing both at once, but Ramos is definitely not becoming the regular artist. Unfortunately, I know that because he's becoming the regular artist for one of my other favorite books, Runaways. He's gonna ruin that book. :(
Are you f#%ng kidding me?!?!?! Runaways? Shoot me now. What happened to Michael Ryan. Why must Ramos draw books that I read? High profile ones too

[Colossal Spoons]

Lose Whedon :up:
Get Bachalo :down:

Runaways can't catch a break :(

[AndThePickles]

Oh dammit :csad:

[Colossal Spoons]

Although, Bachalo's art hasn't been as excruciating as of late.

[Kira]

Well gosh darnit.

I really like Bachalo's ARTE.

[Colossal Spoons]

I like it more than Whedon's writing. That's for sure :o

[JustABill]

Whedon's writing trumples the ****ty crap that Bachalo calls art lately, Spoons and stuff it in your pipe and smoke it. :cmad:

[AndThePickles]

Although, Bachalo's art hasn't been as excruciating as of late.

I think it's been beautiful lately, but I can't see it for Runaways.

[JustABill]

It'd at least be better than the crap Ramos has planned for Runaways art.

Worst: Bachalo
Worster: Ramos
Worsest: Liefield

No scratch that, terrible anatomy aside at least you can make out what the **** goes on in his art. :o

[Colossal Spoons]

I think it's been beautiful lately, but I can't see it for Runaways.

Whoa, really?

[AndThePickles]

Whoa, really?

Yeah, shocking right? haha. I mean, I still think he'd make a better artist in areas other than comics, because it still gets hard to tell what's going on :csad:

[Colossal Spoons]

Whedon's writing trumples the ****ty crap that Bachalo calls art lately, Spoons and stuff it in your pipe and smoke it. :cmad:

Whedon is an overrated hack who'd much rather to TV stuff. He's made Runaways like 70% less interesting since Vaughn left and I'm sure his arc will be 100% forgettable as soon as it's done. His stuff on AXM needs to hurry up and be over too. :o

[Specter313]

Well gosh darnit.

I really like Bachalo's ARTE.

Oh, Kira, darling. No.

[Kira]

Oh, Kira, darling. No.

but i loves him. :csad:

:denial:

[Kira]

Whedon is an overrated hack who'd much rather to TV stuff. He's made Runaways like 70% less interesting since Vaughn left and I'm sure his arc will be 100% forgettable as soon as it's done. His stuff on AXM needs to hurry up and be over too. :o

it's over here. i cried like a week. :csad:

oh. and i don't care about runaways so he can ruin it as much as he likes. :yay:

[squeekness]

Whedon is an overrated hack who'd much rather to TV stuff. He's made Runaways like 70% less interesting since Vaughn left and I'm sure his arc will be 100% forgettable as soon as it's done. His stuff on AXM needs to hurry up and be over too. :oI am going to have to agree with this. Runaways has tanked for me with this arc. :(

[El Bastardo]

I like Ramos, but I'm actually not sure if his art will fit Runaways or not.

[AndThePickles]

I am going to have to agree with this. Runaways has tanked for me with this arc. :(

Yeah :csad::csad::csad:

[Colossal Spoons]

it's over here. i cried like a week. :csad:

You cried b/c it's over or b/c of something that happened in the last issue?

[iamlegend]

I am going to have to agree with this. Runaways has tanked for me with this arc. :(


Ah c'mon... Who didn't expect Whedon to foul up Runaways?

Nearly everything he touches turns out basically the same... So if you go ahead and give him established characters to work with you know he's going to do something crazy.

The sad thing is his name carries enough weight for Marvel to look the other way...

[Colossal Spoons]

He's not doing anything "crazy with Runaways though. It's just plain old BORING. But you're right, Marvel knows his zombies will buy the books by the crates.

[Nature's Rising]

Not that I don't like Exodus, which I do...but having him in a team opposing to the X-Men is just an impending doom for the latter. I like it. I hope they bring back what the writers are supposedly forgetting: "strategy".

[squeekness]

Ah c'mon... Who didn't expect Whedon to foul up Runaways?

Nearly everything he touches turns out basically the same... So if you go ahead and give him established characters to work with you know he's going to do something crazy.

The sad thing is his name carries enough weight for Marvel to look the other way...Yeah, but I loved Astonishing. I was a bit surprised I didn't feel the same for his Runaways.

[Kira]

You cried b/c it's over or b/c of something that happened in the last issue?

because it's over here and it's not going to continue anytime soon.

[MattXG]

but i loves him. :csad:

:denial:
Me too...

Dunno what all the hate is about...?

[Colossal Spoons]

Well Matt, you seem to love everything.

Kirkman AND Bachalo.

[iamlegend]

Not that I don't like Exodus, which I do...but having him in a team opposing to the X-Men is just an impending doom for the latter. I like it. I hope they bring back what the writers are supposedly forgetting: "strategy".

If by strategy you mean "Exodus walk into a room and starts ****ing everyone in it up" then yes, I'm sure strategy will prevail. :woot:

[Rogue's Hand]

Here are some previews of X-Men # 202
http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=11640

http://images.comicbookresources.com/previews/marvelcomics/xpreviews/081607/XMEN202_intlo-1.jpg
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X-MEN #202
COVER BY: HUMBERTO RAMOS
WRITER: MIKE CAREY
CHRISTOS GAGE
PENCILS: HUMBERTO RAMOS
SCOT EATON
INKS: CARLOS ALBERTO CRUZ CUEVAS
COLORED BY: ANTONIO FABELA
LETTERED BY: CORY PETIT

THE STORY:
The Xavier Academy is under siege, and the full, appalling scale of the Marauders' plans is finally becoming clear. Now Iceman and Cannonball have to stay ahead of the pursuit long enough to mount a counter-attack - and to deprive their enemies of the one precious resource that could be the key to both victory and survival. FEATURING ENDANGERED SPECIES CHAPTER 9 - Can the ”Black Womb” facility answer any riddles surrounding Beast?

32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

PRICE: 2.99
IN STORES: August 22, 2007

[El Bastardo]

Thanks, Spec! Wait... you're not Spec! What'd you do with Spec? :cmad:

And yay, I think I'm actually looking forward to Adjectiveless more than Astonishing, at least from the preview. At this point, I just want Astonishing to end. I didn't even want Ultimates 2 to just get over with, and that was more delayed. Oh well.

So. The book. Destiny's Diary? It'd tie back to the Vargas thing. Also, since the way Random's talking about it, looks like the book is "telling the future." And it'll be interesting to see what that future holds.

[Rogue's Hand]

Thanks, Spec! Wait... you're not Spec! What'd you do with Spec? :cmad:

And yay, I think I'm actually looking forward to Adjectiveless more than Astonishing, at least from the preview. At this point, I just want Astonishing to end. I didn't even want Ultimates 2 to just get over with, and that was more delayed. Oh well.

So. The book. Destiny's Diary? It'd tie back to the Vargas thing. Also, since the way Random's talking about it, looks like the book is "telling the future." And it'll be interesting to see what that future holds.
I'm not Spec, but I can be if I absorb his powers :oldrazz: J/K
Carey is doing a great job at exploring the whole Vargas situation.
We never found out what happened to him or if Rogue killed him at all.
Random seems to have found something in the book. I'm sure it had to do
with his convo w/ Ruth I think. How many lives will those freakin' diaries
claim :woot:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

And yay, I think I'm actually looking forward to Adjectiveless more than Astonishing, at least from the preview.

First time I'd have to say that very thing in ever. :wow:

So. The book. Destiny's Diary?

Definitely. Any bets on what he found? A 'we already killed the one we needed' or a 'we all get pwned' scenario?

[Slant]

The only person getting 'pwned' is Sunfire as it seems.

[El Bastardo]

Any bets on what he found? A 'we already killed the one we needed' or a 'we all get pwned' scenario?

I'm with the latter. Something foretelling their getting pwned. Or perhaps getting betrayed by Sinister? Hm.

On another note, Random should defect and join the X-Men. That'd rock.

[OutcryX]

yeah but is random still that whole Shazam and Prime (from malibu comics) deal...that he is really a small boy in a man's body...did that sound wrong? wait..isnt Vulcan a boy inside a man..or something like that

[The Englishman]

I always thought Random was a cool character.

[El Bastardo]

Dark Beast used to have his hooks in Random, too. (And Havok, but clearly nothing will come of that.) I wonder if it'll be brought up anywhere during all this.

[Canemacar]

I heard from someone at comixfan or CBR who had an advance copy that the Diaries are all mysteriously blank and thats what they were freaking out over.

[Galact-Gal]

So who was that 'dark priestess' the Marauders killed?

(There are so many characters I don't know :csad: )

[iamlegend]

I loved this part:

"Who cares about Vargas?"

Answer: No one. :woot:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I heard from someone at comixfan or CBR who had an advance copy that the Diaries are all mysteriously blank and thats what they were freaking out over.

DUDE.

Spoilers. Commenting on a preview is one thing, but this just isn't cool, lol. :woot:

Some of us don't mind waiting 30 or so days between comics. :p

[El Bastardo]

^ Yeah, seriously. It's why there's a [blackout] and [spoiler] button on the post form. Or, you know, why the tags exist.

Sheesh.

[OutcryX]

Wasn't Vargas supposed to be like uber-powerful? and he got taken out off panel and seemingly without much effort.

[Spectre722]

how could they take out the witness? it was established he was a pantemporal being, meaning he exsists in all points in time at once. plus maybe they'll talk bout his gambit connection?

[Harlekin]

Wasn't Vargas supposed to be like uber-powerful? and he got taken out off panel and seemingly without much effort.
Eh, he had a strong showing, but after learning more about him Rogue was able to take him on. This does finally answer the question on whether she had killed him or not. Everybody thought she did, but apparently not.

[harlquinn]

Yikes i hate spoilers :(

just cuz i cant resist them

[Canemacar]

how could they take out the witness? it was established he was a pantemporal being, meaning he exsists in all points in time at once. plus maybe they'll talk bout his gambit connection?

Not likely. Marvel's getting rid of all it's "loose ends" characters before the Messiah Complex sets the new status quo. Being all-powerful like Witness actually makes it more likely they'd off him (through writer fiat). It's unlikely they'll explain his connection with gambit either since they can't be bothered to even put him in the books during his much-hyped "return".

Also, sry about the spoilers.

[El Bastardo]

Hm. The arc is titled "Blinded by the Light," not "Gambit's Return."

He came back in Issue #200 of X-Men. He was actually in Issue #200 of X-Men.

No, he wasn't in Issue #201. Does that break a rule? Being that the arc is not about Gambit, does he need to be in every issue even if he has no place showing up plot-wise?

[Canemacar]

Hm. The arc is titled "Blinded by the Light," not "Gambit's Return."

He came back in Issue #200 of X-Men. He was actually in Issue #200 of X-Men.

No, he wasn't in Issue #201. Does that break a rule? Being that the arc is not about Gambit, does he need to be in every issue even if he has no place showing up plot-wise?

Marvel hyped Blinded by the light as Gambit's return. There were interviews and articles published were Marvel used the character as a selling point for the arc. I can probably dig them up, I know CBR had one. Fact is, i have a right to expect the character to actually have panel time in an arc where he was used to advertise it.

[El Bastardo]

"Blinded by the LIght" has been his return. Hmm, nope, nothing raising a red flag there.

He's also been in the arc. He'll also likely be in the next two issues of the arc, and past those. He wasn't in issue 201 because it didn't make sense for him to be in it.

Or would it have been better off if he'd been hanging onto Sunfire while Sunfire was attacking the Blackbird? I'm sure that trenchcoat is flame retardant. There'd be no problem there!

[Slant]

I wasn't expecting him or Sunfire in 201 anyway. Not quite sure why Sunfire would attack the blackbird to begin with.

[El Bastardo]

Orders, obviously. He's air-capable and mobile, and willing to take care of the two escapees. Probably wasn't sent to kill them, but hey, it's Sunfire.

[Canemacar]

"Blinded by the LIght" has been his return. Hmm, nope, nothing raising a red flag there.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10665


He's also been in the arc. He'll also likely be in the next two issues of the arc, and past those. He wasn't in issue 201 because it didn't make sense for him to be in it.

Because the story was written in a way that it wouldn't make sense. It could have, and should have, been written differently.

Or would it have been better off if he'd been hanging onto Sunfire while Sunfire was attacking the Blackbird? I'm sure that trenchcoat is flame retardant. There'd be no problem there!

Sinister has a teleportation matrix at his disposal. Why not use that to get Gambit to the mansion or to the ambush? Because Marvel didn't care too. They're content to ignore the character until they need some romy angst as this arc has shown.

[El Bastardo]

X-Men 201 was written to be the aftermath of the battle that started in 200 and to get a ton of exposition out of the way at the hands of Cannonball. I'm rather confident that Sunfire only really shows up in order to inform Cannonball of Cable's supposed death, but Sunfire showing up makes more sense than Gambit showing up.

How you'd have written it really doesn't matter. If you were so AUSUMZ you'd be writing X-Men and Mike Carey wouldn't. I mean, seriously. Send Marvel some writing samples of script. Throw them some characterization ideas and plot seeds. They're bound to see your genius and fantastic talent showing through, and then you can be making the shots, since none of the other writers can do better.

And I'd say that Gambit really isn't needed at the mansion, given that the only X-Men being dealt with there are Kitty and Colossus (not counting the kids), and I'm sure the Acolytes can handle that part of the mission just fine. You know, maybe Sinister didn't send him out because he's acting as Sinister's right-hand man. There's a possibility. Oh, I mean, you're totally right - Carey turned to the other X-writers at the summit and proclaimed with a voice from the Heavens, "WE NEDEZ MOR OF TEH ROMY AINGZT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!one1"

As you posted, http://www.comicbookresources.com/ne...m.cgi?id=10665.

Gambit’s X-citing Return in X-Men #200

One of the most popular X-Men of all time—the mysterious mutant called Gambit—is back with some old friends…and they’re going to destroy the X-Men! In the x-tra sized X-Men #200, Gambit has returned with the Marauders, the same team he once led on a vicious slaughter through the Morlock tunnels, committing horrible atrocities against mutantkind.
Technically he only returned with the Marauders by extension, but nothing else written in this article hasn't happened. He did indeed return in X-Men 200! And the Marauders sure did make a good attempt at destroying the X-Men.
When Gambit’s ruthless decimation of the X-Men begins, will the team stand a chance?
Well, we can take this one of two ways. Either it HAS started, and he took Cable down and will assumedly be dealing with other members (like Cannonball and Iceman) in the remaining two issues, or else his decimation of the X-Men HASN'T started and thus you can't cry foul while two more issues are remaining.
This June, X marks the spot…and Gambit’s aiming dead center for the kill!
This is really just a nice bit of journalistic fluff to end the Gambit part of the article, but him taking down Cable can be considered "dead center for the kill" - and again, since we've not seen the remaining two issues of the arc, really can't cry foul about those.

I mean, maybe my reading skills have gotten poor, but I'm almost 100% sure I didn't read anything in the article you provided to the tune of "Gambit returns in 'Blinded by the Light' AND WILL MOST DEFINITELY, and we mean definitely people, be in EVERY SINGLE ISSUE of the arc, as well as most panels, because, like, omg, Gambit's coming back!"

...But if you can point that out to me, I'd be happy to apologize for being incorrect.

[Canemacar]

X-Men 201 was written to be the aftermath of the battle that started in 200 and to get a ton of exposition out of the way at the hands of Cannonball. I'm rather confident that Sunfire only really shows up in order to inform Cannonball of Cable's supposed death, but Sunfire showing up makes more sense than Gambit showing up.

Yes, thats how Carey chose to write it. And he worked everyone involved in the crossover into that issue except Gambit (and Sinister, but he's supposed to hang back; it's all part of being the BBEG). Since Marvel used Gambit as a selling point for the arc to all his fans, I feel gyped.

How you'd have written it really doesn't matter. If you were so AUSUMZ you'd be writing X-Men and Mike Carey wouldn't. I mean, seriously. Send Marvel some writing samples of script. Throw them some characterization ideas and plot seeds. They're bound to see your genius and fantastic talent showing through, and then you can be making the shots, since none of the other writers can do better.

I didn't say jack about me writing anything. I just have issues with the misleading advertising Marvel used. Pay attention.

And I'd say that Gambit really isn't needed at the mansion, given that the only X-Men being dealt with there are Kitty and Colossus (not counting the kids), and I'm sure the Acolytes can handle that part of the mission just fine.

They're there to recover some books. It seems to me that sending a professional thief to steal something from a heavily guarded place instead of an assault team makes sense.

You know, maybe Sinister didn't send him out because he's acting as Sinister's right-hand man. There's a possibility.

I wish; Marvel's already made it clear that mystique and Exodus are Sinister's 2nd in commands.

Oh, I mean, you're totally right - Carey turned to the other X-writers at the summit and proclaimed with a voice from the Heavens, "WE NEDEZ MOR OF TEH ROMY AINGZT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!one1"

Well lets look at the facts:

1: The only appearances he's putting in since 200 is in 203 where he complains about Rogue getting hurt. For one panel.

2: Then there's going to be a big Romy scene in 204 where Gambit is anxiously waiting by Rogue's bedside, watching her sleep, nursing her to health, and they have another one of their "talks". (Go ahead and turn in your testicles Remy, you won't be needing them anymore).

3: The cover to 204. Nuff said.

As you posted, http://www.comicbookresources.com/ne...m.cgi?id=10665.

The article hyped Gambit's return as a selling point to the arc that starts in #200, BbtL. It promises that he'll be coming after his former teammates and implies a large focus on the character and what's been happening with him. Marvel hasn't lived up to their hype(but that doesn't surprise me a bit).

I've got a right to be pissed.

[Slant]

I don't think they'd get into any of Gambit's character until later on.

At least thats what Carey said, to wait until 207.

[El Bastardo]

I'd have to say that you're inferring, more than they're implying.

That article stated that Gambit was making a return in X-Men 200. He did just that in X-Men 200. Being that it was also the beginning of "Blinded by the Light," he's also returned in "Blinded by the Light." The article said nothing about him being in every issue.

If DC killed Superman again and then five months later started a six-issue mini-series called "The Return of Superman" and a bunch of hype went around the internet on comics sites about how Superman will be returning in this issue and it's going to be awesome as all get-out, and Superman returns at the end of issue four, it's not false advertising. Superman returned in the mini-series titled "The Return of Superman." It was promised that Gambit would return in "Blinded by the Light," and lo and behold, he has. It's like a miracle.

I haven't read 203. So we can kindly keep any events of 203 under wraps until we, meaning myself and the rest of the people who frequent this thread, have read it. Thank you muchly. I've read issues 200 and 201. There are two issues remaining in the arc. If you have all the facts, that's wonderful. I'm sure you do, and I'm sure you're right. But as it is, it's like you're crying over a glass of milk that might spill.

The cover image means nothing. Or do you take every cover to mean that it's portraying exactly what's going to be inside the issue? Mark What'shisname, the artist I really like who was drawing New X-Men awhile back but whose last name I've forgotten (Brooks? Mark Brooks? I don't remember >_<) said it best, I think on his DeviantArt page, where he had an image that showed the steps he goes through when designing a cover. Loosely paraphrased, the single-most aim for an artist doing a cover is to make a cover that's going to catch eyes and make people want to pick the book up. That's their job. That's what they're going for. And I think he even referred to it as a competition, as in, their cover art is in a competition for the reader's eyes against every other comic book on the rack. The cover image with Rogue and Gambit on it in possible-kill-each-other mode definitely succeeds in what this guy has said. And yet it's not necessarily a replication of what's going on in the interiors.

I'll give you that the article implied - actually, it stated - that he'd be going after the X-Men (technically, his teammates are the Marauders and Acolytes, give or take). He went after Cable, who one would assume to be the first target since he had some stuff they needed and was alone. Makes sense. We haven't seen the conclusion of the arc, which means we can't say that he has not gone after anyone else. I don't see where the article implied there'd be a huge focus on Gambit's character. It doesn't say we can expect that "Blinded by the Light" will be all about what Gambit's doing currently and has been doing. At base, it says he's returning in X-Men 200, which did happen. And, actually, that article doesn't even mention the arc. It mentions X-Men 200. The two are not entirely synonymous.

See "implied" versus "inferred."

Furthermore, considering the article is "journalistic hype" and not exactly "quoted Marvel press release," if they did imply or promise anything, they had no justification in doing so. Even though the implications you want to see aren't there.

Yes, when a company promises something and doesn't deliver, you have a right to be pissed. But using this article as evidence doesn't show a company promising anything. And if you inferred a bunch of stuff you want to see from the article, you kinda lose that right to be pissed. Well, not at Marvel, anyway.

[Canemacar]

I'd have to say that you're inferring, more than they're implying.

The article was written with a very specific purpose: to get Gambit-fans to buy the arc because their favorite character will be in it. Since no one will buy an arc if they think their character is only getting a cameo, and Marvel is aware of this, the article was written in a way to make us think gambit is going to be a mover and a shaker. Come on, thats common sense.

That article stated that Gambit was making a return in X-Men 200. He did just that in X-Men 200. Being that it was also the beginning of "Blinded by the Light," he's also returned in "Blinded by the Light." The article said nothing about him being in every issue.

A tactic Marvel's used before, often with Wolverine: He'll either be on the cover or said to appear in the issue in a solicit, only for him to either not show up at all or just pop in for a few panels.

I haven't read 203. So we can kindly keep any events of 203 under wraps until we, meaning myself and the rest of the people who frequent this thread, have read it. Thank you muchly. I've read issues 200 and 201. There are two issues remaining in the arc. If you have all the facts, that's wonderful. I'm sure you do, and I'm sure you're right. But as it is, it's like you're crying over a glass of milk that might spill.

No, i'm crying because I haven't even gotten the glass of milk Marvel promised me.

The cover image means nothing. Or do you take every cover to mean that it's portraying exactly what's going to be inside the issue? Mark What'shisname, the artist I really like who was drawing New X-Men awhile back but whose last name I've forgotten (Brooks? Mark Brooks? I don't remember >_<) said it best, I think on his DeviantArt page, where he had an image that showed the steps he goes through when designing a cover. Loosely paraphrased, the single-most aim for an artist doing a cover is to make a cover that's going to catch eyes and make people want to pick the book up. That's their job. That's what they're going for. And I think he even referred to it as a competition, as in, their cover art is in a competition for the reader's eyes against every other comic book on the rack. The cover image with Rogue and Gambit on it in possible-kill-each-other mode definitely succeeds in what this guy has said. And yet it's not necessarily a replication of what's going on in the interiors.

I know what covers are for. The fact that Marvel's playing the Romy card after ignoring gambit is what pisses me off. BTW, carey's confirmed that the inside of 204 is pretty much in line with the cover(ie. big romy mess) so my point stands.

I'll give you that the article implied - actually, it stated - that he'd be going after the X-Men (technically, his teammates are the Marauders and Acolytes, give or take). He went after Cable, who one would assume to be the first target since he had some stuff they needed and was alone. Makes sense. We haven't seen the conclusion of the arc, which means we can't say that he has not gone after anyone else. I don't see where the article implied there'd be a huge focus on Gambit's character. It doesn't say we can expect that "Blinded by the Light" will be all about what Gambit's doing currently and has been doing. At base, it says he's returning in X-Men 200, which did happen. And, actually, that article doesn't even mention the arc. It mentions X-Men 200. The two are not entirely synonymous.

Marvel's ads are based on promising you what you want(or by making you think they promised you what you want) in order to sucker you in. It's just like the Publisher's Clearing House where they make you think they've promised you money.

[El Bastardo]

The article was written with a very specific purpose: to get Gambit-fans to buy the arc because their favorite character will be in it. Since no one will buy an arc if they think their character is only getting a cameo, and Marvel is aware of this, the article was written in a way to make us think gambit is going to be a mover and a shaker. Come on, thats common sense.
Marvel didn't write the article. In fact, the article doesn't present a direct quote from Marvel at all. If CBR is trying to sell the arc to non-readers, then hopefully they're on Marvel payroll (which would be a really shady thing to do, where have all my journalists gone?). And, again, the article mentions nothing of the arc - so, really, to all non-readers reading this article, all they can think is that Gambit is returning in X-Men 200. Which happened. Since the article doesn't advertise "Blinded by the Light" at all, but only X-Men 200 and Gambit's return in said issue, the only promise is that he'll return. Which happened. There's no promise that he'll be in the entire arc, because there's no mention of the arc. Come on, that's basic reading comprehension.

Marvel's ads are based on promising you what you want(or by making you think they promised you what you want) in order to sucker you in. It's just like the Publisher's Clearing House where they make you think they've promised you money.
I'm pretty sure this is what has happened in this circumstance... though most decidedly not in my case. Which would leave you. And I don't even want to start making a reply about the Publisher's Clearing House thing. It'd just come out kinda mean. :csad:

[Canemacar]

Marvel didn't write the article. In fact, the article doesn't present a direct quote from Marvel at all. If CBR is trying to sell the arc to non-readers, then hopefully they're on Marvel payroll (which would be a really shady thing to do, where have all my journalists gone?).

It's advertising; marvel pays another company to talk about their material and encourage people to read it. Marvel would also be the one telling them what to put in the article, just as they'd dictate a printed ad in a magazine.

And, again, the article mentions nothing of the arc - so, really, to all non-readers reading this article, all they can think is that Gambit is returning in X-Men 200. Which happened. Since the article doesn't advertise "Blinded by the Light" at all, but only X-Men 200 and Gambit's return in said issue, the only promise is that he'll return. Which happened. There's no promise that he'll be in the entire arc, because there's no mention of the arc. Come on, that's basic reading comprehension.

Given the fact that the X-men is a serial publication, and that a single issue doesn't have enough room to feature all they talk about, the reader is lead to think the return will be continued in subsequent issues. Yes, they never came out and said so directly, but thats the point: they imply without directly stating. It allows them to weasel out of any accusations of misleading advertising. This is a common practice in advertising.


I'm pretty sure this is what has happened in this circumstance... though most decidedly not in my case. Which would leave you.

I wasn't fooled into believing marvel was going to follow through on the article if thats what you mean. I'm just mad at the deceit in their business practices and lack of my favorite character.

And I don't even want to start making a reply about the Publisher's Clearing House thing. It'd just come out kinda mean. :csad:

Get over yourself. :whatever:

[El Bastardo]

Of course everything you say is correct. Of course!

How silly was I to think CBR a journalism/news site and not a Marvel-bought hype machine. Presidential hopefuls should hire out to CBR, too. They'd mine a boatload of new voters, most assuredly!

:whatever: :whatever: :whatever: :whatever:

And... just in case the sarcasm was not noted: :whatever:

[Canemacar]

Of course everything you say is correct. Of course!

How silly was I to think CBR a journalism/news site and not a Marvel-bought hype machine. Presidential hopefuls should hire out to CBR, too. They'd mine a boatload of new voters, most assuredly!

:whatever: :whatever: :whatever: :whatever:

And... just in case the sarcasm was not noted: :whatever:

Dude, take a class in advertisement or something because the naiveity you're showing is pretty annoying.

[El Bastardo]

I'm sure. Whatever you say!

[Canemacar]

I'm not the one who apparently thinks marvel is above the use of misdirection to sell comics.

[El Bastardo]

I never wrote that. Basic reading comprehension, man, seriously. :csad:

And man, it even says on the CBR site, "CBR News." Someone should really sue them for false advertisement. And in the "article" (read: bought-and-paid-for advertisement) itself! Oh, the humanity! :csad:

Marvel-bought hype machine posing as a news site. Geesh. What next?

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah! :cmad:

[El Bastardo]

We should take the fight to them, Spoons! In the name of all that is right!

Randy Orton can help us! :woot:

[Canemacar]

I never wrote that. Basic reading comprehension, man, seriously. :csad:

Well you apparently think Marvel and news sites would never be in cahoots, despite the mutual benefits they reap from doing so.

Go ahead and ask around; companies like Wizard frequently get paid to say whatever their sponsors want about things. It's rare to find any kind of industry news publication that isn't controlled or influenced by the major players in said industry.

And man, it even says on the CBR site, "CBR News." Someone should really sue them for false advertisement. Marvel-bought hype machine posing as a news site. Geesh. What next?


I bet you think Fox News really is "fair and balanced" too.

[El Bastardo]

Actually, no I don't. And I don't like Bill ORLY either.

You and I could go back and forth for ages (by the by, are you still against Gambit throwing Cable a clue with the line he said to him?), but there's no need. And it'd be overly redundant and silly.

CBR is a news site. You can be as supposedly-"skeptical" and/or "-cynical" and whatever else you might want to call yourself, but likening CBR to Fox News is a little overly-facetious, I'd say. They wrote an article. It has no direct Marvel quotes. If we're looking at facts and not speculation, which we should be, then that's where it has to end. But, I mean, by all means, I can start making some random crap up too.

OR, so I can play a video game or watch Kill Point when it comes on in a few minutes, and since this is a forum and not merry PMs, we can leave it up to other thread-visitors. Seriously, fellow thread-visitors. Is CBR no more than a Marvel-bought hype machine? Or do they post news that is, well, news?

Did you all seriously expect to see Gambit in every single issue as much as possible? Were you all promised that by the aforementioned article as well as other articles? Were you promised that the entire arc would be all about Gambit, with deep and meaningful character depth and such? And since Gambit has apparently been sicced to merely being an element of more Romy angst, do you all feel cheated?

[Canemacar]

by the by, are you still against Gambit throwing Cable a clue with the line he said to him?)

It's impossible to know until the end, but I'm sure marvel wouldn't let Gambit do something that'll make fans hate him so it wouldn't surprise me if there was some convoluted explanation that exonerates gambit of nate's death.

CBR is a news site. You can be as supposedly-"skeptical" and/or "-cynical" and whatever else you might want to call yourself, but likening CBR to Fox News is a little overly-facetious, I'd say. They wrote an article. It has no direct Marvel quotes. If we're looking at facts and not speculation, which we should be, then that's where it has to end. But, I mean, by all means, I can start making some random crap up too.

You're right, this is going in circles so went and found another article directly from Marvel this time that goes back to my original point and renders the journalistic integrity of CBR moot:

http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.1124.X-Men_%23200



Did you all seriously expect to see Gambit in every single issue as much as possible? Were you all promised that by the aforementioned article as well as other articles? Were you promised that the entire arc would be all about Gambit, with deep and meaningful character depth and such?

I was lead to believe by several articles from a number of site(CBR, Marvel.com, X-panel reports, Carey's personal blog, comicvine.com, etc) that Gambit would have a significant role in BbtL. Not that it'd be all about gambit, but we'd at least see him in action and find out whats been up with him since milligan's godawful run.

And since Gambit has apparently been sicced to merely being an element of more Romy angst, do you all feel cheated?

I hate Romy with a passion. It singlehandedly ruined the character and continues to do so.

[Specter313]

X-MEN #205
Written by MIKE CAREY
Penciled by CHRIS BACHALO
Cover by DAVID FINCH
Variant Cover by J.SCOTT CAMPBELL
MESSIAH COMPLEX – PART 5 of 13

The X-Men versus the Marauders! A rematch of the unforgettable fight from X-Men #200. But will the battle turn in favor of the X-Men this time? Not if Sinister can help it. Layla and Madrox continue their mission to uncover the truth of mutant extinction, friends become foes to the X-Men at the worst time possible, and whereabouts of the baby are revealed at last.
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

[Canemacar]

X-MEN #205
Written by MIKE CAREY
Penciled by CHRIS BACHALO
Cover by DAVID FINCH
Variant Cover by J.SCOTT CAMPBELL
MESSIAH COMPLEX – PART 5 of 13

The X-Men versus the Marauders! A rematch of the unforgettable fight from X-Men #200. But will the battle turn in favor of the X-Men this time? Not if Sinister can help it. Layla and Madrox continue their mission to uncover the truth of mutant extinction, friends become foes to the X-Men at the worst time possible, and whereabouts of the baby are revealed at last.
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

I like how Carey writes Maddrox. Should be interesting. I'm also interested in what spoilers the cover must show for them to withhold it like this.

[El Bastardo]

It's impossible to know until the end, but I'm sure marvel wouldn't let Gambit do something that'll make fans hate him so it wouldn't surprise me if there was some convoluted explanation that exonerates gambit of nate's death.
Actually, Carey said the entire story regarding the line wasn't told, and we'd see it come up again. That, coupled with (I think) Quesada slipping up and admitting that Cable wasn't dead, really does put a few more checks in the column of it being a hint to Nate. :woot:


You're right, this is going in circles so went and found another article directly from Marvel this time that goes back to my original point and renders the journalistic integrity of CBR moot:

http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.1124.X-Men_%23200

Same thing as CBR posted, so fair enough. Still not so much a "Marvel-bought hype machine" as it is posting a Marvel-issued news release minus a direct quote or source. Which is really sloppy journalism, I must add. But given that that site says the same thing, the previous objections remain. All that was promised there was Gambit's return in 200.

And seriously, saying that there's not enough room in a single issue is a cop-out. Paul Dini writes constant one-and-done issues in Detective Comics. Marvel isn't silently hyping an arc by not mentioning the arc simply because *everyone* knows there isn't a possibility of a single-issue story.


I was lead to believe by several articles from a number of site(CBR, Marvel.com, X-panel reports, Carey's personal blog, comicvine.com, etc) that Gambit would have a significant role in BbtL. Not that it'd be all about gambit, but we'd at least see him in action and find out whats been up with him since milligan's godawful run.
Well, duh. I know you have. It's what we've been arguing about. :woot:
I was asking the other kiddies, though.
And, still, two issues left in the arc.

[Canemacar]

Actually, Carey said the entire story regarding the line wasn't told, and we'd see it come up again. That, coupled with (I think) Quesada slipping up and admitting that Cable wasn't dead, really does put a few more checks in the column of it being a hint to Nate. :woot:

I'm really not at all surprised. Needlessly confusing stories *are* Cable's specialty after all. :rolleyes:

Same thing as CBR posted, so fair enough. Still not so much a "Marvel-bought hype machine" as it is posting a Marvel-issued news release minus a direct quote or source. Which is really sloppy journalism, I must add.

This article can be found, almost verbatim, on a number of news sites. If they just tcopy/paste'd it, thats grounds for plagerism if Marvel wanted to make a fuss(something they're notorious for). I think it's much more likely that marvel handed it out to a number of news sites and told them to put it up. A press release in other words.

But given that that site says the same thing, the previous objections remain. All that was promised there was Gambit's return in 200.

It says Gambit's come back to attack the X-men in an "opening salvo in the war that will redefine the X-Men". A war isn't a one-issue affair, but an ongoing thing that requires repeated efforts of both parties.

And seriously, saying that there's not enough room in a single issue is a cop-out. Paul Dini writes constant one-and-done issues in Detective Comics. Marvel isn't silently hyping an arc by not mentioning the arc simply because *everyone* knows there isn't a possibility of a single-issue story.

They call it a "war" and refer to issue #200 as the "opening salvo".

Well, duh. I know you have. It's what we've been arguing about. :woot: I was asking the other kiddies, though.And, still, two issues left in the arc.

A friend with an advance copy of 202 says Gambit appears for all of one panel. In which he complains about Rogue being hurt. I'm jumping for joy.:dry:

[El Bastardo]

I'm really not at all surprised. Needlessly confusing stories *are* Cable's specialty after all. :rolleyes:
Pfft. Gambit having given Cable a clue in that line, Cable surviving, and Cable figuring out the riddle to help save the day isn't really a confusing story. Rather, a laid plan from the beginning by Carey, like I originally figured.

And why the 202 spoilers? Why? Why can't you stick it in a tag? Even if it's minor! The issue isn't out yet!

I know you want to pwn my face, but think about the children. :csad: What are we to tell the children? They don't understand spoilers! Think about the children!

[Canemacar]

Pfft. Gambit having given Cable a clue in that line, Cable surviving, and Cable figuring out the riddle to help save the day isn't really a confusing story. Rather, a laid plan from the beginning by Carey, like I originally figured.

Dying and coming back when he could have simply teleported away(according CDP 42, Nate couldn't have teleported out or anything) in a lame attempt to give Gambit "OMG MYSTERY!!!" counts as needless complication. Besides, it's cheapens death even further.



And why the 202 spoilers? Why? Why can't you stick it in a tag? Even if it's minor! The issue isn't out yet! I know you want to pwn my face, but think about the children. :csad: What are we to tell the children? They don't understand spoilers! Think about the children!

I don't think it really counts as a spoiler to say that I heard a rumor that Gambit is in a panel of the next issues or that he says something about Rogue. Maybe if I had posted his dialog or given context to the panel, but there's really nothing spoiled so far.

[El Bastardo]

Dying and coming back when he could have simply teleported away(according CDP 42, Nate couldn't have teleported out or anything) counts as needless complication. Besides, it's cheapens death even further.
Except that we know he's not dead, thanks to Quesada. Unless Quesada was deliberately lying to screw with fans' heads. Which...

Well. Quesada hinted/stated that Cable isn't dead. I don't think it was left as being vague. So technically, he isn't dead. And so it doesn't really cheapen death because... he's not dead. He's supposedly dead, and so considered dead, but that's not really dying and coming back.

[Canemacar]

Except that we know he's not dead, thanks to Quesada. Unless Quesada was deliberately lying to screw with fans' heads. Which...

Well. Quesada hinted/stated that Cable isn't dead. I don't think it was left as being vague. So technically, he isn't dead. And so it doesn't really cheapen death because... he's not dead. He's supposedly dead, and so considered dead, but that's not really dying and coming back.

:huh:Huh?:huh:

[El Bastardo]

Exactly!

I win. :woot:

[Canemacar]

Trying to figure out whats going on with Cable is always an invitation to a migraine.

[El Bastardo]

You are weak!

[Canemacar]

*Grabs a bottle of Asprin*

It's on!!!

[Rogue's Hand]

X-MEN #205
Written by MIKE CAREY
Penciled by CHRIS BACHALO
Cover by DAVID FINCH
Variant Cover by J.SCOTT CAMPBELL
MESSIAH COMPLEX – PART 5 of 13

The X-Men versus the Marauders! A rematch of the unforgettable fight from X-Men #200. But will the battle turn in favor of the X-Men this time? Not if Sinister can help it. Layla and Madrox continue their mission to uncover the truth of mutant extinction, friends become foes to the X-Men at the worst time possible, and whereabouts of the baby are revealed at last.
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99
Oh man! Carey sure knows how to keep me on my toes!
My prediction for this issue? This battle is what will change Rogue's powers!
Sinister is also involved which leads me back to strain 88! Also, this is the
issue after #204 which is Rogue & Remy's reunion. Wonder what side he'll
fight on? :wow:

[Canemacar]

My prediction for this issue? This battle is what will change Rogue's powers!

What do you mean? You think she's going to do another perma-absorb or something? I think it's more likely her powers are going to be changed as a result of sinister getting what he wants from her(knowledge of Destiny's Diaries).

Sinister is also involved which leads me back to strain 88!

Pandemic was manipulated by Sinister, wasn't he?

Also, this is the issue after #204 which is Rogue & Remy's reunion. Wonder what side he'll fight on? :wow:

I think it's less of a reunion and more of a coming to terms. Gambit isn't going to be rejoining the x-men after the crossover(confirmed in chicago comic-con), so I don't think it's likely he'll be backing her up in a fight(or in the fight at all).

[Rogue's Hand]

[COLOR=black]What do you mean? You think she's going to do another perma-absorb or something? I think it's more likely her powers are going to be changed as a result of sinister getting what he wants from her(knowledge of Destiny's Diaries.



[COLOR=black]Pandemic was manipulated by Sinister, wasn't he?

[color=darkgreen][color=#000000]

I think it's less of a reunion and more of a coming to terms. Gambit isn't going to be rejoining the x-men after the crossover(confirmed in chicago comic-con), so I don't think it's likely he'll be backing her up in a fight(or in the fight at all).
He's not coming back?! Great! OMG! Can-Can the day we've all been
waiting for! No more Rogue & Remy! Tell Maury Povich to call off the show!
I'm glad they are sacrificing the relationship in order to save them both.
No more Rogue & Remy. It's time they've moved on. They've had enough
drama to last them through the after-life, LOL!

So if Sinister intended for Rogue to be infected w/ strain 88, he must need
her to absorb something right? That something has a strong chance of
having an after effect IMO. And I doubt this will just change her powers,
that happened w/ strain 88 and if I remember correctly Carey stated she
won't "only" have Sunfire's powers. He also stated Rogue will be in a
different place by issue # 207. :hyper:

[Canemacar]

He's not coming back?! Great! OMG! Can-Can the day we've all been waiting for! No more Rogue & Remy! Tell Maury Povich to call off the show! I'm glad they are sacrificing the relationship in order to save them both.No more Rogue & Remy. It's time they've moved on. They've had enough drama to last them through the after-life, LOL!

Don't jump the gun just yet. All I said was Gambit will be doing his own thing after the crossover. As much as i'd like an end to Romy, I don't think thats how Carey will resolve it; he's a fan of it himself and said he may want to write a reunion sometime down the line. I think the best we can hope for is an amical, and all too temporary, parting.

But there is good news (for me at least). Theres a good chance Gambit will be going solo in a book written by Carey himself in 2008.

So if Sinister intended for Rogue to be infected w/ strain 88, he must need her to absorb something right

My theory is that sinister used Pan to infect her with Strain-88 in order to somehow access the memories/powers of Destiny so he can interpret the otherwise blank Destiny Diaries Exodus was sent to retrive

And I doubt this will just change her powers,that happened w/ strain 88 and if I remember correctly Carey stated shewon't "only" have Sunfire's powers. He also stated Rogue will be in adifferent place by issue # 207. :hyper:

Well, I doubt she's keeping the death-touch powers since having them is too much of a potential plot-hole. Maybe she'll have some kind of pre-cog since it's Destiny's power that sinister is interested in according to 202.

[Valechan]

202 preview

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0708/17/xmen2021.jpg
http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0708/17/xmen2022.jpg
http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0708/17/xmen2023.jpg
http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0708/17/xmen2024.jpg
http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0708/17/xmen2025.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0708/17/xmen2026.jpg

Oh m y effing Goddess!!!! VARGAS DEAD???? THE DARK MOTHER??? GATEWAY????? I am so completely flabbergasted at this news...

[Rogue's Hand]

202 preview

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0708/17/xmen2021.jpg
http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0708/17/xmen2022.jpg
http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0708/17/xmen2023.jpg
http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0708/17/xmen2024.jpg
http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0708/17/xmen2025.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0708/17/xmen2026.jpg

Oh m y effing Goddess!!!! VARGAS DEAD???? THE DARK MOTHER??? GATEWAY????? I am so completely flabbergasted at this news...
No offense, but did you comepletely ignore the previous pages?:huh::)

[Valechan]

yes :D

[Rogue's Hand]

yes :D
Okay, LOL :woot:

[aaron]

Haha, that was pretty funny.

[Canemacar]

I love the face Shiro makes in the second panel of the fifth page.

[Rogue's Hand]

I love the face Shiro makes in the second panel of the fifth page.
You mean the one where he looks like he crapped his pants :woot:

[Valechan]

What's the connection between these deaths? Simple, either precognition or some sort of knowledge about what's coming due to time-travel, or possesion of the Destiny Diaries (Vargas)... it's not that hard to connect...

[Canemacar]

What's the connection between these deaths? Simple, either precognition or some sort of knowledge about what's coming due to time-travel, or possesion of the Destiny Diaries (Vargas)... it's not that hard to connect...

Welcome to a month ago. Population: you.


:oldrazz:

[Valechan]

Yay I managed to travel through time :D

[Canemacar]

Yay I managed to travel through time :D

That means you're next! :wow:

[Valechan]

Bloody hell then I should start stockpiling weapons or something... or should my awesome powers be enough to protect me from the combined might of old villains no one cares about???

[OutcryX]

Bloody hell then I should start stockpiling weapons or something... or should my awesome powers be enough to protect me from the combined might of old villains no one cares about???

old villains that have been inexplicably written cool and powerful.

[Valechan]

And still their hair seems to change colors in a weird way (Unuscione) and mutants who have decided not to be villains anymore just join the bad tea (Tempo) and others who were destroyed appear from outta nowhere (Random) :p

[bengan]

ooo scary

[Mar420x]

just read the new book.. mr sinister using cebrero i swear i seen this a thousand times already. Theres a fight in the x-mansion and the the Marauders get destinys books with blank pages.. emma knows where the real books are @. i guess inside of ROGUE. oh yeah the Maruaders and Mr. Sinister are lookin for people that know the future.. 1 Man is still out there -BISHOP! beast story @ the end i enjoyed the most since they went back 2 genosha and research on the dead bodies. Beast is lookin for Bishop Also.
but i think i kno wheres @ CABLE @? hes not dead.. hes goin 2 bring the new mutant in the messiah storyline. watch..

[aaron]

i'm not picking up a copy til friday but i read the spoilers and i've seen a couple scanned pics and it i'm kinda bummed at the lack of gambit, just getting one line in a panel is not enough since its been said hes the one to look out for in this arc, but issue 204 gives me hope with the rogue/remy confrontation happening. also seems that ramos' pencils are getting sloppy or sloppier depend on the view of peeps :p

[squeekness]

Only one page of Gambit. :(

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/squeekness/gambitxmentwootwo.jpg

[Slant]

ugh...Ramos.

[OutcryX]

Oh HELL YES!!! Bishop is about to be in the MUTHA F**KING HOUSE!!!!

[Canemacar]

Oh HELL YES!!! Bishop is about to be in the MUTHA F**KING HOUSE!!!!

Scalphunter: *BLAM*

:woot:

[Specter313]

Ramos drew the kids horribly. Especially Armor. I couldn't tell half of what was going on in that fight or who was going after who for most of the pages.

[El Bastardo]

I didn't really have any trouble following any of it. It's really pretty clean. And I thought he did a great job of how Armor looked, for the whole page she was in. No mistaking who she was.

Otherwise, fantastic issue. More of the mystery is revealed, and it really set up the stage for next issue. And as for the Endangered Species chapter... well, we're halfway through now, and we're seeing some change in Beast, aren't we?

[Specter313]

I still have to disagree with the art. I wouldn't have guessed that was Hisako until she used her powers. I literally said, after looking at the panel where the kids were running forward and I saw Hisako in the corner, "Who the hell is that supposed to be?" She looked like she could be a guy or a girl. And then in the battle, Exodus looks like he's going after Cargill, Pixie looks like she's aiming for X-23, and Rockslide looks like he just clobbered Colossus. I think Ramos forgot who is on what side. :whatever:

[El Bastardo]

I still have to disagree with the art. I wouldn't have guessed that was Hisako until she used her powers. I literally said, after looking at the panel where the kids were running forward and I saw Hisako in the corner, "Who the hell is that supposed to be?" She looked like she could be a guy or a girl. And then in the battle, Exodus looks like he's going after Cargill, Pixie looks like she's aiming for X-23, and Rockslide looks like he just clobbered Colossus. I think Ramos forgot who is on what side. :whatever:
Maybe I was just paying attention to the previous page, where Colossus decked Exodus, so it was pretty easy for me to follow Exodus's hand to Colossus's thrown body in the fight scene. Not to mention the fact that Colossus was flying into Rockslide/landing on him. And it's pretty evident that X-23 is going after Cargill.
But sure, fine, since Pixie isn't doing much of anything in the fight scene, I suppose I can give that one to you. :oldrazz:

[Specter313]

Maybe I was just paying attention to the previous page, where Colossus decked Exodus, so it was pretty easy for me to follow Exodus's hand to Colossus's thrown body in the fight scene. Not to mention the fact that Colossus was flying into Rockslide/landing on him. And it's pretty evident that X-23 is going after Cargill.
But sure, fine, since Pixie isn't doing much of anything in the fight scene, I suppose I can give that one to you. :oldrazz:

Well, ya kinda make another point there for me. Readers shouldn't really have to analyze the pic at length to understand what the heck is going on. It takes them out of the story by having to stop and stare to get what is going on, and that's not good art.

But will you also give me that Sinister looks like a Marilyn Manson wannabe and everyone with long hair looks like they haven't washed it in months? :p

[El Bastardo]

Well, ya kinda make another point there for me. Readers shouldn't really have to analyze the pic at length to understand what the heck is going on. It takes them out of the story by having to stop and stare to get what is going on, and that's not good art.
I didn't make that point for you. I didn't have to analyze Ramos's pic at length at all. I flow easily through Ramos's style. But that doesn't mean it's simple, either.
On that note, I actually take a long time going through Bryan Hitch's panel work to figure out everything that's going on. I could probably say the same about other pencilers, but I'd have to think at length about who they are. It doesn't mean, though, that Bryan Hitch's art isn't good, simply because I have to examine it and read it longer.
It just means it's not necessarily my "easy style."
You need a better definition, and I need a better term than "easy style."

But will you also give me that Sinister looks like a Marilyn Manson wannabe and everyone with long hair looks like they haven't washed it in months? :p
I've said lots of times that I like Ramos's style and pencils, but yeah. I dunno if I'll give you the Marilyn Manson comment, but I wasn't a huge fan of Ramos's Sinister. Not that I hated it. It's just not the best Sinister I've seen. But then, I suppose it's true enough that certain characters fare differently under different styles. Ramos's sitting Sinister (last page) wasn't awful, but still, a tad more muscular than I think Sinister should be. Still, not the worst Sinister I've seen. Not the best, though. And I didn't have any problem with any long hair.
I mean, a Sinister drawn by Scot Eaton would undoubtedly look better, but then, I don't know if I'd like Eaton's take on other characters. Ramos's Cannonball and Iceman have really grown on me, and his Mystique. His Colossus wasn't half-bad, either. Maybe he just didn't really "feel" Sinister as he was drawing him.
And on the note of Scot Eaton, his Beast/Dark Beast are really growing on me. Cassaday's Beast is all well and good, but I'm really liking Eaton's now. In fact, I'd actually like for Eaton to draw Sinister.

[Canemacar]

Ramos' style is good for action packed covers, but not much else IMO.

[Specter313]

I didn't make that point for you. I didn't have to analyze Ramos's pic at length at all. I flow easily through Ramos's style. But that doesn't mean it's simple, either.
On that note, I actually take a long time going through Bryan Hitch's panel work to figure out everything that's going on. I could probably say the same about other pencilers, but I'd have to think at length about who they are. It doesn't mean, though, that Bryan Hitch's art isn't good, simply because I have to examine it and read it longer.
It just means it's not necessarily my "easy style."
You need a better definition, and I need a better term than "easy style."

I'll try to be a little more clear. With someone like Hitch, you may need to take a while to go through all the panels because he has so much going on in them. I don't like what Ramos does, because I feel it takes forever to go through them just to figure out what is going on in the first place. With Hitch, you can still glance them over and know what's happening right away. With Ramos, I have to going over the panels several times just to figure out who is attacking whom even though there's usually less in the panels that what Hitch does. I didn't even think that Colossus had been thrown by Exodus until you said so because the panel is laid out so poorly. You can have a ton of fights going on in a panel with what Hitch as done, as long as you know who's going at it. Unlike Ramos, where you have to just guess who's fighting who at times in his work. I think it's sloppy and careless.


I've said lots of times that I like Ramos's style and pencils, but yeah. I dunno if I'll give you the Marilyn Manson comment, but I wasn't a huge fan of Ramos's Sinister. Not that I hated it. It's just not the best Sinister I've seen. But then, I suppose it's true enough that certain characters fare differently under different styles. Ramos's sitting Sinister (last page) wasn't awful, but still, a tad more muscular than I think Sinister should be. Still, not the worst Sinister I've seen. Not the best, though. And I didn't have any problem with any long hair.
I mean, a Sinister drawn by Scot Eaton would undoubtedly look better, but then, I don't know if I'd like Eaton's take on other characters. Ramos's Cannonball and Iceman have really grown on me, and his Mystique. His Colossus wasn't half-bad, either. Maybe he just didn't really "feel" Sinister as he was drawing him.
And on the note of Scot Eaton, his Beast/Dark Beast are really growing on me. Cassaday's Beast is all well and good, but I'm really liking Eaton's now. In fact, I'd actually like for Eaton to draw Sinister.

I think Sinister just looks like some goth punk, and like you said, way too muscular.

I like Eaton alot too. I wish he stuck around on Excalibur. He was even my personal choice to take over Astonishing as long he had the same inker and colorist that did the Endangered Species one shot with him.

[El Bastardo]

I'll try to be a little more clear. With someone like Hitch, you may need to take a while to go through all the panels because he has so much going on in them. I don't like what Ramos does, because I feel it takes forever to go through them just to figure out what is going on in the first place. With Hitch, you can still glance them over and know what's happening right away. With Ramos, I have to going over the panels several times just to figure out who is attacking whom even though there's usually less in the panels that what Hitch does. I didn't even think that Colossus had been thrown by Exodus until you said so because the panel is laid out so poorly. You can have a ton of fights going on in a panel with what Hitch as done, as long as you know who's going at it. Unlike Ramos, where you have to just guess who's fighting who at times in his work. I think it's sloppy and careless.
But that doesn't necessarily mean it is. Like I was saying, I think some people just have styles they can and can't read. It's true in prose (I, for instance, can't stand reading Hemingway), so why wouldn't it be true in a visual medium using pictures instead of words? I'm not saying that's the "end all be all," but I think it makes a certain amount of sense and a certain point that has some grounding.
You didn't even think that Exodus had thrown Colossus, but I saw it immediately, without a second thought or glance. It's just one example, sure, and I'm not dogging you in the slightest. I'm just saying that I read it fine, and you had a harder time. I'm sure there are pencilers out there that you read fine and I might have a problem with. It's bound to happen. That's what I was trying to go for when I wrote out the buhtarded "easy style" phrase. If I'm remembering right, I think you like Larroca's work a lot. And while I do, as well, sometimes I struggle a bit with his work.
I like Ramos. To me, his art is like a warped Joe MAD!, whose artwork is easily my ideal X-Men art. So, for me, as I've put above, Ramos is just easy on my eyes, and an easy read.
I'm not saying it's distinguished or dignified or world class art, either. I just don't think it's sloppy or careless or whatever else.

And I second your thoughts about Eaton on Astonishing. Would've rocked.

[aaron]

i remember everyone complaining about not being able to figure out what was going on with chris bachalos pencils, but i'm of the thinking that i like something that i have to look at in detail to figure out. it also means you get to take your time reading the book and plus i'll always sacrifice consistency for an artist who has an unique style that when you pick up a book you know it's that guy without even knowing who did the artwork.

[Hound89]

The X-men are #$%@ ed

[ProfeZZor X]

Craptastic art.. Glad Ramos is moving far far away from this title.

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/7980/xmen202001516sa1.jpg

[OutcryX]

Scalphunter: *BLAM*

:woot:


Scalphunter can't take down Bishop.

[Hound89]

Reminds me of x-men during the 90s [not a bad thing]

[aaron]

has or is bachalo gonna leave the title too?

[OutcryX]

he is just resting for the big crossover

actually..i forgot he is super bizzy drawing the weekly spiderman...cant imagine how that will look...given that his monthly books look as if they are rushed

[Canemacar]

Scalphunter can't take down Bishop.

Even Gambit can take down Bishop.

[OutcryX]

Even Gambit can take down Bishop.

Please...Gambit couldn't handle Pulse if he had to. That and anything he can give, Bishop can give right back..but better and more efficiently.

[Canemacar]

Please...Gambit couldn't handle Pulse if he had to.

Pretty generous assessment.

That and anything he can give, Bishop can give right back..but better and more efficiently.

If a depowered Gambit can kick your ass while you're packing heat(like he did to Bish in X-treme), you *know* it's time to pack it in.

[OutcryX]

Pretty generous assessment.



If a depowered Gambit can kick your ass while you're packing heat(like he did to Bish in X-treme), you *know* it's time to pack it in.


Bishop only felt sorry for him, so he let him win to keep what was left of his pride....plus Claremont works for The Man..uppercrest white establishment hellbent on keeping a brotha down....so he made gambit beat Bishop knowing FULL WELL that Bishop could kill Remy easily....that and Claremont even tried to change Bishop's race..so its all a conspiracy against black people..don't you see? :wow:

speaking of black x-men...other than Bishop and Storm...where are they? Maggot is dead.

[Canemacar]

Bishop only felt sorry for him, so he let him win to keep what was left of his pride.

His way of apologizing for thinking Gambit was the traitor I guess.

...plus Claremont works for The Man..uppercrest white establishment hellbent on keeping a brotha down....so he made gambit beat Bishop knowing FULL WELL that Bishop could kill Remy easily....that and Claremont even tried to change Bishop's race..so its all a conspiracy against black people..don't you see? :wow:

Hey! Gambit's a brotha(albeit one with a BDSM fetish), see:

http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/2000/1499/118077-gambit_400.jpg


Of course they had to go and pull a "Micheal Jackson" on him.

[OutcryX]

His way of apologizing for thinking Gambit was the traitor I guess.



Hey! Gambit's a brotha(albeit one with a BDSM fetish), see:

http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/2000/1499/118077-gambit_400.jpg


Of course they had to go and pull a "Micheal Jackson" on him.


a reverse Michael Jackson is more like it

and i have rarely encounter any person of color that is so dark that they have a green shine to them

waitaminute...did Apocalypse actually say Black Gambit or did he say Death? cuz if he said Black Gambit...I am going to need Milligan to kill himself. immediately

[Canemacar]

waitaminute...did Apocalypse actually say Black Gambit or did he say Death? cuz if he said Black Gambit...I am going to need Milligan to kill himself. immediately


I think he said Death, but it would be all kinds of awsome if he had said "Black Gambit" if only to watch the ****storm it would kick up.

[Hound89]

Bishop only felt sorry for him, so he let him win to keep what was left of his pride....plus Claremont works for The Man..uppercrest white establishment hellbent on keeping a brotha down....so he made gambit beat Bishop knowing FULL WELL that Bishop could kill Remy easily....that and Claremont even tried to change Bishop's race..so its all a conspiracy against black people..don't you see? :wow:

speaking of black x-men...other than Bishop and Storm...where are they? Maggot is dead.


Sniff maggot was awsome T_T

Well their is m but shes in X-factor so she dosent count

Theirs David in new X-men but he dosent have any powers and he sucks so he dosent count


Spike From X-men evo...no

Man this sucks :cmad:

only 2 characters per minority it loosk like

Asians: Surge & armor [Psylcke So dosent count]

Native americans: Forge & warpath [Dani has no more powers]

Latino: Santo?

Blue: Beast NightCrawler [Maggot Got the Shaft X2]

Canadian: Wolverine

This sucks!:cmad:

[UraniaChang]

Bishop only felt sorry for him, so he let him win to keep what was left of his pride....plus Claremont works for The Man..uppercrest white establishment hellbent on keeping a brotha down....so he made gambit beat Bishop knowing FULL WELL that Bishop could kill Remy easily....that and Claremont even tried to change Bishop's race..so its all a conspiracy against black people..don't you see? :wow:


Um...but Nick Fury was white at first then he becomes black later, though I think black Fury is more tough-looking than the white one.



Hey! Gambit's a brotha(albeit one with a BDSM fetish), see:

http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/2000/1499/118077-gambit_400.jpg


Of course they had to go and pull a "Micheal Jackson" on him.

Oh my god...*speechless* all those black LEATHER outfit...

Maybe Apocalypse is a rock fan, and like you said, has some BDSM fetish.

[El Bastardo]

Nick Fury became black? :huh:

Well, Ultimate Fury is black, yeah, but that's not so much a "becoming black" as it is "Nick Fury in another universe is black."

But on another note, that picture of Apocalypse proclaiming "Black Gambit" is hilarious. :woot: :up:

[OutcryX]

Sniff maggot was awesome T_T

Well their is m but shes in X-factor so she doesn't count

There is David in new X-men but he doesn't have any powers and he sucks so he doesn't count


Spike From X-men Evo...no

Man this sucks :cmad:

only 2 characters per minority it looks like

Asians: Surge & Armor [Psylocke sooo doesn't count...she really doesn't lol] Sunfire...when he is a good guy...also Karma

Native Americans: Forge & Warpath [Dani has no more powers]

Latino: Santo? ...nope...he is italian and still a caucasoid...Sunspot, Cecilia Reyes

Blue: Beast NightCrawler [Maggot Got the Shaft X2]

Canadian: Wolverine...still a caucasoid

This sucks!:cmad:

Don't forget Sentinel and Thunderbird III...both Indian..or something

Dust...afghani right?

i was thinking Sunspot...he is Brazilian but he is dark skinned which has me thinking possibly Afro-Brazilian

[Hound89]

Don't forget Sentinel and Thunderbird III...both Indian..or something

Dust...afghani right?

i was thinking Sunspot...he is Brazilian but he is dark skinned which has me thinking possibly Afro-Brazilian

U see my point thogh

If their gona make a new Character thats gona be important why cant they make him a minority? iam pretty sure Shadowcat is the only jewish X-man

[OutcryX]

U see my point thogh

If their gona make a new Character thats gona be important why cant they make him a minority? iam pretty sure Shadowcat is the only jewish X-man


oh trust that i know exactly what you are talking about

[Specter313]

Sniff maggot was awsome T_T

Well their is m but shes in X-factor so she dosent count

Theirs David in new X-men but he dosent have any powers and he sucks so he dosent count


Spike From X-men evo...no

Man this sucks :cmad:

only 2 characters per minority it loosk like

Asians: Surge & armor [Psylcke So dosent count] Sunfire, Sunpyre, Sway, Karma, Jubilee and technically Karima and T-bird III since those from India are considered Asian to a degree.

Native americans: Forge & warpath [Dani has no more powers] T-Bird I

Latino: Santo? Nope, sorry. But Cecelia and Darwin is half hispanic

Blue: Beast NightCrawler [Maggot Got the Shaft X2]

Canadian: Wolverine Northstar

This sucks!:cmad:

Darwin's other half is black through his mother and Cargill was an X-Man for a time as well.

[OutcryX]

Darwin's other half is black through his mother and Cargill was an X-Man for a time as well.

When was Cargill an X-Man? ahh yes....good ole' Darwin...he's mixed? i thought he was all black(i had forgotten about him...proving my own point) i guess that means Sway should be on the list too

[Specter313]

When was Cargill an X-Man? ahh yes....good ole' Darwin...he's mixed? i thought he was all black(i had forgotten about him...proving my own point) i guess that means Sway should be on the list too

During the whole Eve of Destruction thing when Magneto had captured and crucified Xavier I believe. Jean went around and put together an interim group of X-Men, which included Cargill, Northstar, Wraith and Paulie Provenzano.

[Rogue's Hand]

Isn't M (Monet) African-American also?

Anyways, regarding issue # 202 I have a question.
How does Sinister plan on getting info on the diaries from Rogue's mind
unless he has a telepath to assist him?

[Specter313]

M is Yugoslavian or Algerian or something, which means she's from Europe, just with a darker skin tone.

[El Bastardo]

Isn't M from Morocco? Though uncannyxmen.net lists her as Yugoslavian, but then lists the twins as Algerian... so why am I thinking Morocco?
Oh. In the M Twins spotlight, it says they were born of a Moroccan family.
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=63&page=2


EDIT: Oh my sweet OutcryX, 1000th post! It finally happened!

[Hound89]

I was talking about Active X-men

[gothicFLAVOURS]

Anyways, regarding issue # 202 I have a question.
How does Sinister plan on getting info on the diaries from Rogue's mind
unless he has a telepath to assist him?

He's got Exodus for that since he's a telepath

[Havok83]

Isn't M (Monet) African-American also?

Anyways, regarding issue # 202 I have a question.
How does Sinister plan on getting info on the diaries from Rogue's mind
unless he has a telepath to assist him?
Sinister is a telepath

[El Bastardo]

Anyways, regarding issue # 202 I have a question.
How does Sinister plan on getting info on the diaries from Rogue's mind
unless he has a telepath to assist him?

He's got Exodus for that since he's a telepath
Um, not to mention that Sinister himself is a telepath. And just to confirm in hard copy, after Exodus has his way with Kitty, bottom of the page, he says: "Five telepaths in all the world could have done this. Myself and Sinister I can vouch for."

Aww, Havok83 beat me. :(

[Varient]

hmmmn.

De-aged Gutter-ratified Cargil,
Brain-Buffed Random,
Punk-ki-fied Sunfire,


Meh,... A better story would've been:

Cargil finally meats Luke Cage,.. Her male Equiv,
Random Goes and Joins X-Factor to waste time playing straight man to Strong Guy,
Sunfire Grows a Pair and stops being used by every Xmen Villian from Apocalypse to Sinister.


Other than that,.. I liked the tone of the book.

[gothicFLAVOURS]

Sinister is a telepath
Um, not to mention that Sinister himself is a telepath. And just to confirm in hard copy, after Exodus has his way with Kitty, bottom of the page, he says: "Five telepaths in all the world could have done this. Myself and Sinister I can vouch for."

Aww, Havok83 beat me.

Oh that's right, I didn't remember he was a telepath too. Thanks for pointing that out!

I haven't had time to read the issue yet but I don't know if I like someone brought Destiny's Diaries back. I just hope Carey or someone can explain how they're still using them since they supposedly became useless when the Rogue and Vargas prediction didn't take place or even if they're still accurate how they couldn't predict M-Day (or maybe they did but the X-Men couldn't interpret them).

[Havok83]

Speaking of which, since when was Sinister a telepath? I cant seem to remember that before this issue and Exodus' line

[Hound89]

hmmmn.

De-aged Gutter-ratified Cargil,
Brain-Buffed Random,
Punk-ki-fied Sunfire,


Meh,... A better story would've been:

Cargil finally meats Luke Cage,.. Her male Equiv,
Random Goes and Joins X-Factor to waste time playing straight man to Strong Guy,
Sunfire Grows a Pair and stops being used by every Xmen Villian from Apocalypse to Sinister.


Other than that,.. I liked the tone of the book.

Sunfire has always been poorly used, a shame really when he could have been the #1 asian super hero in marvel

[Canemacar]

Who are the five telepaths Exodus was talking about? Has Charles been repowered and returned to Earth by now?

Sinister
Exodus
Emma
Xavier?

[Xplicit Content]

Isn't M from Morocco? Though uncannyxmen.net lists her as Yugoslavian, but then lists the twins as Algerian... so why am I thinking Morocco?
Oh. In the M Twins spotlight, it says they were born of a Moroccan family.
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=63&page=2


EDIT: Oh my sweet OutcryX, 1000th post! It finally happened!
Maybe UXM.net meant Monoco? I know M's father is supposed to be from Monaco. M's mother is Algerian, which is in Africa. So as for M's race, I'd say she was bi-racial...which would account for the fact that she maintains a relatively European appearance with a darker skin tone.

[Specter313]

Who are the five telepaths Exodus was talking about? Has Charles been repowered and returned to Earth by now?

Sinister
Exodus
Emma
Xavier?

And Jean, who Exodus noted was dead, and he still believed Xavier to be powerless at this time.

[Canemacar]

Emma being counted among the other four is a travesty(ok, maybe not a travesty, but it is annoying how much of a push she's getting)

[Havok83]

yeah and Im surprised Cable wasnt mentioned in that list

[Xplicit Content]

Hasn't Emma always been considered a powerful telepath though? Even before her makeover? Not in the league of a Prof. X or Jean, but I think she's always ranked just outside the big head cases...i.e. she's not in Prof. X or Jean's league, but not many are.

[Havok83]

Hasn't Emma always been considered a powerful telepath though? Even before her makeover? Not in the league of a Prof. X or Jean, but I think she's always ranked just outside the big head cases...i.e. she's not in Prof. X or Jean's league, but not many are.
yes she has. She's only had her TP so its reasonable to say she's highly skilled in it. Even if she wasnt too powerful, theres one thing Emma is and thats skilled. She definetly knows how to use her powers

[Canemacar]

She's always been fairly weak. What made her formidable was her great skill and ruthlessness.

[El Bastardo]

yeah and Im surprised Cable wasnt mentioned in that list
Cable being included depends on a number of variables, too, though. They probably don't consider him a powerful telepath because around the moment of his "death" his powers were gone. He'd lost them, remember, and was using tech to replace them up til his merging with the mummudrai. And after that, his powers went kablooey again.

[Havok83]

Cable being included depends on a number of variables, too, though. They probably don't consider him a powerful telepath because around the moment of his "death" his powers were gone. He'd lost them, remember, and was using tech to replace them up til his merging with the mummudrai. And after that, his powers went kablooey again.
I understand that but its irrelevant especially since Xavier was named and he's depowered

[Canemacar]

I understand that but its irrelevant especially since Xavier was named and he's depowered

He was repowered by the M'Kraan crystal IIRC.

[Havok83]

He was repowered by the M'Kraan crystal IIRC.
I know that but this arc takes place during all that and Exodus does not know anything that occured during the "Rise and Fall" which is why he says "...Xavier stripped of his powers...". So as far as he and Sinister are concerned, Xavier is depowered, so Cable not having his TP as well, shouldnt have been a factor here

[El Bastardo]

That's a fair point.

My other reason for it depending on stuff would be the fact that Cable's TP has always been dampened by his having to keep the TO Virus in check. As such, he's never been an uber-telepath like his mother's clone unless he doesn't have the TO Virus or unless he lets himself go, which is really rare.

I can buy them not counting him as a result of that long-established fact.

[Canemacar]

I know that but this arc takes place during all that and Exodus does not know anything that occured during the "Rise and Fall" which is why he says "...Xavier stripped of his powers...". So as far as he and Sinister are concerned, Xavier is depowered, so Cable not having his TP as well, shouldnt have been a factor here

I thought all that happened before #200.


X-men continuity is confusing....:csad:

[El Bastardo]

No, pretty sure Havok's right and "Blinded by the Light" happens during "Rise and Fall." Which would be why we haven't seen the Uncanny characters.

[Specter313]

Nope, actually, Uncanny and adjectiveless are happening right about the same timeframe right now. Remember, Gage said he couldn't use Rogue's team in WWH because they were too busy with their own stuff, namely they were still on Providence, and Rise and Fall was already over with by then. So Blinded happens after they got back from space.

[Havok83]

That's a fair point.

My other reason for it depending on stuff would be the fact that Cable's TP has always been dampened by his having to keep the TO Virus in check. As such, he's never been an uber-telepath like his mother's clone unless he doesn't have the TO Virus or unless he lets himself go, which is really rare.

I can buy them not counting him as a result of that long-established fact.
I thought it was more of his TK that was weakened bc of the TO. He needed to use that to keep it in check. Not so much the TP

[Havok83]

I thought all that happened before #200.


X-men continuity is confusing....:csad:
Yes it is and the recent solicts show X-factor as taking place after the current arc of AXM, assuming it will even be done by the time that issue appears

[El Bastardo]

Nope, actually, Uncanny and adjectiveless are happening right about the same timeframe right now. Remember, Gage said he couldn't use Rogue's team in WWH because they were too busy with their own stuff, namely they were still on Providence, and Rise and Fall was already over with by then. So Blinded happens after they got back from space.
Oh yeah. >_<

That's it. I'm not listening to Havok anymore. :cmad:

[Specter313]

Yes it is and the recent solicts show X-factor as taking place after the current arc of AXM, assuming it will even be done by the time that issue appears

Uh, no, nothing about X-Factor said that it happened after Astonishing. Just because Scott was wearing that jacket doesn't mean a thing. Raimondi could have just used it because he liked it. Hell, Ramos couldn't even decide which form to have Rockslide in on the cover and the interior pages of the last issue.

[Havok83]

Nope, actually, Uncanny and adjectiveless are happening right about the same timeframe right now. Remember, Gage said he couldn't use Rogue's team in WWH because they were too busy with their own stuff, namely they were still on Providence, and Rise and Fall was already over with by then. So Blinded happens after they got back from space.
as stated before X-men continuity is confusing. At any rate, my point still holds up bc Exodus is obviously unaware of Xavier regaining his powers

[El Bastardo]

After what? "Blinded by the Light" and "Rise and Fall"?

It can't. Gage isn't using Rogue's team because of Providence. Providence happens before "Blinded by the Light."

[Specter313]

It's simple. Exodus said he thought Xavier was powerless "when last they met", so obviously, Exodus hasn't met Charles since he got back. Bing, bang, boom, we're done.

[Canemacar]

It's simple. Exodus said he thought Xavier was powerless "when last they met", so obviously, Exodus hasn't met Charles since he got back. Bing, bang, boom, we're done.

How does an uber-telepath not know when another uber-telepath returns to prominence on the Astral plane?

[Havok83]

How does an uber-telepath not know when another uber-telepath returns to prominence on the Astral plane?
bc the story doesnt call for it

[Canemacar]

Lame.

[OutcryX]

Lame.

very

[El Bastardo]

How does an uber-telepath not know when another uber-telepath returns to prominence on the Astral plane?

Does it really work like that, though? Like... Exodus has a permanent "radar" going on regarding the astral plane, and it's like "Oh, someone just popped up on it! How sterling!"

I actually don't know either way, but has Xavier, for instance, always been connected to the astral plane? I've always thought that he's had to "search" for people in order to find them or register them, whether they're telepaths or not. Although there's probably not exactly a case study for something like this.

But if it works like that, as in, they have to search and don't just know, then it's easily explainable in the case of Exodus. When last he met Xavier, Xavier had no powers. Thus, Xavier is beneath his notice and he needn't bother searching for him to see if he's been repowered. When really, if Exodus knew his history, that's exactly what he should do! :D

[OutcryX]

a character like Xavier will NEVER stay down or depowered for too long. And i thought all telepaths DID have some sort of connection to each other.....that they always knew when others were 'present' spiritually if not physically...Anyone remember Exodus from the old X-men game for the Super NES...where he would shoot lasers from his eyes at you then come and pick you up and fly you into the sky...and drop you

[El Bastardo]

lol... I don't think video programming is the best way to prove something. :D

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Can Xavier still be called amutant?