Official X-MEN: LEGACY Discussion Thread [Archive] - Page 19

Varient

08-24-2007, 12:48 PM

She's always been fairly weak. What made her formidable was her great skill and ruthlessness.

I disagree.

Nothing in her history lists her as a "weak" telepath.

Only that she was less than Xaiver and Phoenix-powered Jean Grey.

Based on the amount of mess she has pulled by herself,.. and the obvious superiority in telepathy she exibited compared to when betsy's power went from TP to TK and back to TP,
(Betsy Braddock is no slouch as a telepath,.. but the white Queen has done greater feats.)

I have to say She is a "Strong" telepath.

Varient

08-24-2007, 12:55 PM

How does an uber-telepath not know when another uber-telepath returns to prominence on the Astral plane?

Doesn't work that way.

It's an area effect and only if you are cruising the Astral Plane while physically located close to them.

Valechan

08-24-2007, 02:05 PM

Emma is a "bush league" telepath, which means her tp is crap :p

OutcryX

08-24-2007, 02:41 PM

I disagree.

Nothing in her history lists her as a "weak" telepath.

Only that she was less than Xaiver and Phoenix-powered Jean Grey.

Based on the amount of mess she has pulled by herself,.. and the obvious superiority in telepathy she exibited compared to when betsy's power went from TP to TK and back to TP,
(Betsy Braddock is no slouch as a telepath,.. but the white Queen has done greater feats.)

I have to say She is a "Strong" telepath.

Jean Grey without her Phoenix power trumps Emma in use of telepathy any day

aaron

08-24-2007, 02:46 PM

i think we can say emma's telepathic ability is more than capable but not of the level of jean or xavier.

spark627

08-24-2007, 03:10 PM

apparently, X-men is being cancelled around 207 or so. The team will be going to a different/new X-book. This sucks.

Colossal Spoons

08-24-2007, 03:18 PM

wtf :eek:

If it's true, I'm not sad. The X-world would naturally have a shake up after Endangered Species/MC

aaron

08-24-2007, 03:23 PM

yeah i've been hearing that around cbr.

apparently they're planning to keep uncanny and astonishing as the two main titles and ditch adjectiveless :(

Colossal Spoons

08-24-2007, 03:31 PM

Not "ditch"; sounds more like "repackage"

spark627

08-24-2007, 03:36 PM

mike carey made it sound like there is another x-book that will be spawned from MC

aaron

08-24-2007, 03:37 PM

we can hope huh?

on a plus note it's exciting to see where everyone will from the team will end up.

Slant

08-24-2007, 03:39 PM

mike carey made it sound like there is another x-book that will be spawned from MC
Since Cable's coming back, I think its X Force.

Canemacar

08-24-2007, 04:53 PM

Since Cable's coming back, I think its X Force.

Or something along those lines. They've been talking in interviews about how the X-men will be less of a family and more of an army.

Edit: BTW, Outcast, Carey confirmed that Bishop's going to be in #205.

El Bastardo

08-24-2007, 05:12 PM

A new X-Force would make me orgasmic.

Spoons! Finally! :D :D :D

Hound89

08-24-2007, 05:27 PM

For a new X-force we need all the bad ass mutants not afraid to kick some serious ass

Cable
Domino
Deadpool [best freinds should stick together]
Bishop
Whats Shatterstar doing?

OutcryX

08-24-2007, 05:40 PM

For a new X-force we need all the bad ass mutants not afraid to kick some serious ass

Cable
Domino
Deadpool [best freinds should stick together]
Bishop
Whats Shatterstar doing?

masturbating to Rictor's picture...since they are no longer together and Rictor went back to women, being bi and all...if you can count Wolfsbane as a female

OutcryX

08-24-2007, 05:42 PM

Or something along those lines. They've been talking in interviews about how the X-men will be less of a family and more of an army.

Edit: BTW, Outcast, Carey confirmed that Bishop's going to be in #205.

Thanks canopener...and its OutcryX by the way...and Bishop is sooooo gonna own some ass

Varient

08-24-2007, 05:55 PM

masturbating to Rictor's picture...since they are no longer together and Rictor went back to women, being bi and all...if you can count Wolfsbane as a female

Oh that's harsh.

(M)
"Is Rictor Up?"

(Wolfsbane smugly looking down at Rictors lap after being interrupted from tearing his clothes off )
"Aye he's up."

Generally depending who draws her she looks like Justafiable sexual assualt or the quiet lady in the living room, slut in the bedroom.

X-factors been drawing her like the kind of quiet girls I knew in highschool and college who would act shy and subdued until you got them into bed - Then they commence to try to snap it off at the root.

A true treasure,.. If you survived.

Havok83

08-24-2007, 06:17 PM

WTF would they cancel X-men when it still sells? Its not like its New Excalibur or something

Kevin D. Comicboy

08-24-2007, 06:36 PM

apparently, X-men is being cancelled around 207 or so. The team will be going to a different/new X-book. This sucks.
But Carey had plans for husk. HE HAD PLAN PLANS FOR HUSK!!! :csad: Actually, I don't care if it's true. As long as NIghtcrawler stays an X-men I'm fine. Oh my god, what if they killed nightcrawler during MC?

Havok83

08-24-2007, 06:44 PM

where is this news about a cancelled/new book? I havent been able to find anything

aaron

08-24-2007, 06:47 PM

i heard the guys over at cbr talking about it but i didn't ask for an interview or whatever that they got the info from.

spark627

08-24-2007, 07:33 PM

This is what Mike said about the new book, I think it will be an X-Treme style book

"Rogue will definitely be in the mix, though. And yeah, what I said about her story resolving in MESSIAH COMPLEX still stands. There *is* a major, major resolution there, and a lot of things all come together. But I've got an idea for a further story launching out of that resolution, and I really want to tell it..."

Varient

08-24-2007, 07:55 PM

Jean Grey without her Phoenix power trumps Emma in use of telepathy any day

Agreeing to disagree,..

Emma is able to swap out your mind for hers on the fly and have complete control of your body,.. up to and including the use of your powers,
(Storm and Iceman)

Once Emma has been in your head she remembers how you were "wired" and if need be can reconfigure your mind to give you back your powers WHEN THE GENE SEQUENCE THAT GOVERNS THOSE POWERS HAS BEEN REMOVED.
(Iceman)
Bobby Drake is no longer a Mutant. Emma remembered how his mind was configured when he was a mutant and reconfigured his brain to give him Ice Powers.

It's a small enough leap,.. she could trace the wiring and give others variations on Icemans power.

Jean Grey was only a telepath "recently" in current canon,.. that part of her powers were taken offline by the professor when she was a little girl, and was only brought back shortly before the first manifistation of the phoenix.
Jean grey was a telepath true,... but not half as long in use or doing stuff on the scale of the white queen UNTIL she became the phoenix.
.
meh:dry:

El Bastardo

08-24-2007, 07:59 PM

Emma is able to swap out your mind for hers on the fly and have complete control of your body,.. up to and including the use of your powers,
(Storm and Iceman)

Once Emma has been in your head she remembers how you were "wired" and if need be can reconfigure your mind to give you back your powers WHEN THE GENE SEQUENCE THAT GOVERNS THOSE POWERS HAS BEEN REMOVED.
(Iceman)
Bobby Drake is no longer a Mutant. Emma remembered how his mind was configured when he was a mutant and reconfigured his brain to give him Ice Powers.

Wrong. Now, while this was a godawful move on the writer's part, and even worse that the editors for whatever ridiculous reason let Milligan do this, Milligan nonetheless do it.

And while I hate Milligan's run, I've sadly been unable to forget it. Iceman was never depowered on M-Day. Well, Claremont probably intended for him to be in the one-shot "The Day After," but Milligan had that retconned immediately. Iceman was never a depowered mutant. Rather, the explanation given in Milligan's own title was that he "thought he was," or some trash, and basically blocked himself off from accessing his own powers. This is what Emma changed.

Emma didn't somehow recreate his X-gene or bypass its being gone. It's still there.

Havok83

08-24-2007, 08:43 PM

mike carey made it sound like there is another x-book that will be spawned from MC

Agreeing to disagree,..

Emma is able to swap out your mind for hers on the fly and have complete control of your body,.. up to and including the use of your powers,
(Storm and Iceman)

Once Emma has been in your head she remembers how you were "wired" and if need be can reconfigure your mind to give you back your powers WHEN THE GENE SEQUENCE THAT GOVERNS THOSE POWERS HAS BEEN REMOVED.
(Iceman)
Bobby Drake is no longer a Mutant. Emma remembered how his mind was configured when he was a mutant and reconfigured his brain to give him Ice Powers.

It's a small enough leap,.. she could trace the wiring and give others variations on Icemans power.

Jean Grey was only a telepath "recently" in current canon,.. that part of her powers were taken offline by the professor when she was a little girl, and was only brought back shortly before the first manifistation of the phoenix.
Jean grey was a telepath true,... but not half as long in use or doing stuff on the scale of the white queen UNTIL she became the phoenix.
.
meh:dry:
Jean has also swapped out her mind into another person's body. She did that with Emma back in UXM 281. In UXM 381, she used her TP to acces Cable's TK and was able to use it on a molecular level to change their appearances. She did the same thing a few issues later when the team went to Russia. This was before the return of the Phoenix Force in New X-men. After Onslaught, it was stated that Jean was THE most powerful telepath with Xavier being depowered. Again no Phoenix then. Emma may be powerful, but she is not as powerful Jean is

Jean only became a telepath "recently". I understand your use of the quotes but she's had her TP intact since she was about 18 yrs old! She's had it for about 23 or so MU years (thats taken into account Adventures of C&P and early X-Factor) Theres nothing recent about her TP

El Bastardo

08-24-2007, 09:17 PM

El B. and 83 hooking up teh pwnage!

I made that so rap-like that Spoons is going to have to add some mad rhymes to this shizznit.

Havok83

08-24-2007, 10:24 PM

Wrong. Now, while this was a godawful move on the writer's part, and even worse that the editors for whatever ridiculous reason let Milligan do this, Milligan nonetheless do it.

And while I hate Milligan's run, I've sadly been unable to forget it. Iceman was never depowered on M-Day. Well, Claremont probably intended for him to be in the one-shot "The Day After," but Milligan had that retconned immediately. Iceman was never a depowered mutant. Rather, the explanation given in Milligan's own title was that he "thought he was," or some trash, and basically blocked himself off from accessing his own powers. This is what Emma changed.

Emma didn't somehow recreate his X-gene or bypass its being gone. It's still there.
and heres a pic to go along with that. Emma herself explains that she didnt trigger his powers bc its beyond even her. She has powers but not THAT much power

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/6273/emmaqy9.jpg

BTW, that was some ugly art from Larocca

El Bastardo

08-24-2007, 10:30 PM

LARROCA.

Although he still had a good colorist there. Good Cyclops, too. Good Polaris. Though Emma in the second panel looks a tad mannish.

Havok83

08-24-2007, 10:50 PM

LARROCA.

Although he still had a good colorist there. Good Cyclops, too. Good Polaris. Though Emma in the second panel looks a tad mannish.
His work was inconsistent and sloppy during that arc. I dont know what he did but he took 2 issues off during What Lorna Saw and came back completely different with BoAM which was much better than the crap I posted

Varient

08-25-2007, 12:31 AM

Wrong. Now, while this was a godawful move on the writer's part, and even worse that the editors for whatever ridiculous reason let Milligan do this, Milligan nonetheless do it.

And while I hate Milligan's run, I've sadly been unable to forget it. Iceman was never depowered on M-Day. Well, Claremont probably intended for him to be in the one-shot "The Day After," but Milligan had that retconned immediately. Iceman was never a depowered mutant. Rather, the explanation given in Milligan's own title was that he "thought he was," or some trash, and basically blocked himself off from accessing his own powers. This is what Emma changed.

Emma didn't somehow recreate his X-gene or bypass its being gone. It's still there.

First: I'm honestly surprised to be on this side of the convo,... defending the white queen. If there is one woman i wanted slapped silly when she first appeared right up to when she "became a hero" it's her. But here I am defending her.

Second: My bad,. I missed that issue where they retconned what she did with seconds before Bobby would've had his brains blown out.

Even so,... she was still pulling stuff that you didn't see other telepaths doing until after Jean had been Phoenix.

Varient

08-25-2007, 12:40 AM

Jean has also swapped out her mind into another person's body. She did that with Emma back in UXM 281. In UXM 381, she used her TP to acces Cable's TK and was able to use it on a molecular level to change their appearances. She did the same thing a few issues later when the team went to Russia. This was before the return of the Phoenix Force in New X-men. After Onslaught, it was stated that Jean was THE most powerful telepath with Xavier being depowered. Again no Phoenix then. Emma may be powerful, but she is not as powerful Jean is

Jean only became a telepath "recently". I understand your use of the quotes but she's had her TP intact since she was about 18 yrs old! She's had it for about 23 or so MU years (thats taken into account Adventures of C&P and early X-Factor) Theres nothing recent about her TP
Were not ALL your examples after Phoenix? As in the "return" was really already here but set on a low burn until the rest of me (phoenix) could get back?

Or did they retconn this too?

(I'm one of the ones tired of them putting down history,.. then coming back with variations on : that's not what really happened - this is what happened garbage.)

And the TP timeframe,.. I'll be clear,... Jean has always been a telepath, Emma has been an operating telepath for much longer and has done more impressive stuff with it.

Finally,.... if she were so weak, (emma),... why have they hit her with the phoenix force twice?

And then her daughters the stepford coo coo's or whatever they will be calling themselves?

Varient

08-25-2007, 12:42 AM

and heres a pic to go along with that. Emma herself explains that she didnt trigger his powers bc its beyond even her. She has powers but not THAT much power

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/6273/emmaqy9.jpg

BTW, that was some ugly art from Larocca

Thank you.
(Boy tha coloring of that seemed so bland and off,...)

Havok83

08-25-2007, 05:30 AM

Were not ALL your examples after Phoenix? As in the "return" was really already here but set on a low burn until the rest of me (phoenix) could get back?

Or did they retconn this too?

(I'm one of the ones tired of them putting down history,.. then coming back with variations on : that's not what really happened - this is what happened garbage.)

And the TP timeframe,.. I'll be clear,... Jean has always been a telepath, Emma has been an operating telepath for much longer and has done more impressive stuff with it.

Finally,.... if she were so weak, (emma),... why have they hit her with the phoenix force twice?

And then her daughters the stepford coo coo's or whatever they will be calling themselves?
Yes all my examples are after she got the Phoenix Force but none of them are when she actually posessed it. Of course she was shown as weak pre-Phoenix. It was a different timeline. In the 60s, for the most part ALL female heroines were weak compared to their male counterparts. That was just a sign of the times. It wasnt until Claremont came in the 70s, did things start to change. Had Emma been created in the 60s as opposed to the 80s, she would have suffered bc of the mentality of the business back then

I never once said that Emma was weak. I said that she wasnt as powerful as Jean, Phoenix or no Phoenix and I stand by that.

Varient

08-25-2007, 05:46 AM

Okay,.. I respect that.

Peace.

masterj

08-25-2007, 05:56 AM

Can I refer to Uncanny X-men 452. After Emma and Rachel's mind dual the conversation goes as follows:

Rachel: I don't get it. My powers are off the charts.

Emma: Power isnt the key for the likes of us. It's skill and training and will. All of which I have in abbundance. Whatever you believe, Marvel Girl, whatever the future may hold, you are nto my equal.

Through this explanation we can see that a worth of a telepath isn't in their strength but in their skill, training, will and imagination. This means that arguing Emma's mental strength is pointless really, you should be arguing her skill which is undoubetdly very high.

In regards to Jean I personally think that her telepathy lacks the fine skill that Emam has but what she lacks in skill she makes up for in her will. I'm not saying she's unskilled just that Emma has more experience with her teleptahy but Emma lacks the same will as Jean.

Rogue's Hand

08-25-2007, 07:22 PM

apparently, X-men is being cancelled around 207 or so. The team will be going to a different/new X-book. This sucks.
Are you serious? I just renewed my subscription, guess I'll have to
pay for another one once they relocate :csad:

El Bastardo

08-25-2007, 07:34 PM

Are you serious? I just renewed my subscription, guess I'll have to
pay for another one once they relocate :csad:
I really wouldn't put any stock in that until it's officially announced. I doubt that Marvel is letting much slip, which would mean a lot of these rumors is speculation.

OutcryX

08-25-2007, 08:05 PM

I hope it does prove to be just a rumor....because of all the writers..it seems Carey is the one with the faster growing fan-support....it would suck to have his book canned and shipped off to start or relaunch X-Force or something like it....now if they just wanted to give him an additional title to write..that would be fine

DarthCyclopsRLZ

08-25-2007, 08:38 PM

Dunno, still seems like he won't be writing a core book. Which is kinda a shame, since, well, that would leave Ellis and Bru.

Let's just say I'll give it a chance and, well, that's about it.

Cdnmouse

08-25-2007, 10:45 PM

Rogue's Hand

08-25-2007, 11:18 PM

Not to mention the fact that he is a hardcore fellow Rogue fan :woot:

JustABill

08-25-2007, 11:24 PM

Carey needs to stop borrowing everybody else's team though and get his own team and his trio doesn't count. (Rogue, Cannonball, and Iceman) :o

aaron

08-25-2007, 11:25 PM

with carey he has the ability to take a character whos been poorly written or a minor character and make them something more, like what he's done with lady mastermind, etc so i think if he can get a nice base of characters he'll be able to stick with them and not continually look elsewhere for help in his books.

but then again, everyone always wants to use crappy wolverine :(

OutcryX

08-26-2007, 03:43 AM

well frankly...besides Cyclops, Wolverine, Emma, Beast, Kitty, Colossus and possibly Storm and Nightcrawler and Warpath.....Carey STILL has enough X-Men left to fill three rosters...but he is too busy trying to make character such as lady M cool. I do like Karima(Sentinel) tho.....

who's left?
(Arc)Angel
Bishop
Cable
Iceman
Cannonball
Dazzler
Longshot
Havok
Polaris
Rachel Summers-Grey
Psylocke
Gambit
Sunfire
Banshee
Juggernaut
Sage
Jubilee
Darwin
Lifeguard
Maggot
Marrow
Cecilia Reyes
Red Lotus
Petra
Sway
Sabra
Cargill
Paulie Provezano
Jean freakin Grey
Mimic
Stacy X

not to mention all the other former New Mutants and Generation Xers

Sunspot
Mirage
Karma
Magma
Majik
BoomBoom/Boomer/Meltdown
Skids
Rictor

Mondo
Gaia
Penance
St.Crois Twins
Husk
Chamber
Skin
Synch

X-forcers
Domino
Shatterstar
Feral and Thornn could have easily substituted for Hepzibah in Uncanny
Bedlam
Siryn
Risque
Caliban

X-factor
Archer
Greystone
Fixx
Shard
Random
Guido
Wildchild

Alpha Flight
Northstar
Aurora
Flex
Radius

Exiles
Blink
Nocturne
Morph

or even Peter Wisdom

Yes I know a few of the characters i have named are either depowered, dead or on another team...my point is that there are more than PLENTY of lesser known X-Men characters to cull from that can fill an X-Roster without resorting to recruiting villains...hell you can pick any five of these mentioned and have a fan-fic-type team...since Carey likes those soo much..brubaker too it would appear...and if a villain or quasi villain MUST be used...why not Deadpool?

aaron

08-26-2007, 03:46 AM

like i said, carey seems to be able to get the best outta the smaller, lesser known characters as well as the stars of the title.

Xplicit Content

08-26-2007, 04:28 AM

I liked Carey's experiment with Lady M. And you also can't discount the fact that him including her on the team, along with the rest of the villains, served a purpose. I think his agenda from the start with his lineup was to have them be completely dismantled from within. He knew what was going to happen with the team as soon as he formed it. Before I knew Lady M was going to turn on the team, she actually won me over. I went from wondering why Carey would include such a random character on his team to being glad he dug her out from limbo. Of course, we all found out why he did all this in 200. I think she kind of fills the void Emma left when she turned good guy...hot ruthless blonde. Moral of the story is that Carey always had an agenda with his run on X-Men.

On the other hand, Hepzibah needs to go back to being lost in space.

Havok83

08-26-2007, 06:10 AM

OutcryX

08-26-2007, 08:21 AM

and thats been one of the problems with the X-men books for the past few years. Its always the same characters. Few writers like to venture out and bring in some existing characters who have never had a chance on the X-men lineup. I applaud Carey for what he did, bc he made it work while still keeping things interesting. I wish the other 2 books would follow in his footsteps

they are...in a way....Uncanny has both Warpath and Hepzibah...and now maybe Caliban

Astonishing has Hisako

Havok83

08-26-2007, 09:27 AM

they are...in a way....Uncanny has both Warpath and Hepzibah...and now maybe Caliban

Astonishing has Hisako
Yes UXM has Warpath. I dont recall count Hepzibah bc the current lineup is more of an intermittent team. I dont think she will be there for long

I also dont count Hisako, bc she kind of tagged along. I dont see her being an active member once they return to earth as she is still just a student

The Englishman

08-26-2007, 11:30 AM

OutcryX

08-26-2007, 12:16 PM

And where is Captain Britain on this List???

...ew...i mean, er, um...He's not a mutant...yeah...so what if Juggernaut and Deadpool are there...that and i can just never see Captain Britain as an X-Man

The Englishman

08-26-2007, 12:52 PM

...ew...i mean, er, um...He's not a mutant...yeah...so what if Juggernaut and Deadpool are there...that and i can just never see Captain Britain as an X-Man
Erm ok... i still think he is a great character who needs to be intergrated in to the rest of the marvel universe more.

El Bastardo

08-26-2007, 12:54 PM

Bah. We don't need Captain America in Excalibur books, we don't need Captain Britain in other books!

Kevin D. Comicboy

08-26-2007, 01:58 PM

I hope they don't end the book. If anything, I'd rather them re-name it:

X-men: X-Force.

And if they must have a new number one, at least they should do what they did a few years ago. They have the new number with the old number next to it.

OutcryX

08-26-2007, 02:50 PM

Erm ok... i still think he is a great character who needs to be intergrated in to the rest of the marvel universe more.

I can kinda of get behind that...but um...keep him in Excalibur...but the cord between that book and the other X-titles needs to be cut...make Excalibur more integrated into the Marvel U....but Captain Britain does not need to be an X-Man...an Avenger...perhaps....Defender...Thunderbolt..catch my drift? something along those lines....his sister is the X-ma..er, Woman...she belongs in the X-titles...but only barely. lol

OutcryX

08-26-2007, 02:51 PM

El Bastardo

08-26-2007, 03:19 PM

OutcryX

08-26-2007, 03:24 PM

That's a bad title.

I wouldn't mind seeing them do with this title, ASSUMING it is to be canceled, what DC is doing with their Outsiders title. It's becoming Batman and the Outsiders and restarting its numbering, I believe.

As long as it doesn't become 'Wolverine and the X-Men'...or 'Rogue's Badass Team of Badass X-Men'

Slant

08-26-2007, 03:52 PM

'Gambit and the X-Ternals' :cool:

He wouldn't lead or anything, but still....

OutcryX

08-26-2007, 03:54 PM

'Gambit and the X-Ternals' :cool:

He wouldn't lead or anything, but still....

ugh...arguably that was at a time where Gambit was considerably more popular than he is right now

The Englishman

08-26-2007, 04:24 PM

I can kinda of get behind that...but um...keep him in Excalibur...but the cord between that book and the other X-titles needs to be cut...make Excalibur more integrated into the Marvel U....but Captain Britain does not need to be an X-Man...an Avenger...perhaps....Defender...Thunderbolt..catch my drift? something along those lines....his sister is the X-ma..er, Woman...she belongs in the X-titles...but only barely. lol

I agree.

Kevin D. Comicboy

08-26-2007, 07:54 PM

The name doesn't matter. Just that this book has history. I don't want it to go.

Havok83

08-26-2007, 08:15 PM

unfortunetly Marvel doesnt care. Look at what they did to the Avengers? Or how about the constant relaunch of Spiderman titles. I liked that the X-men has been safe from this but looks like its creeping up

OutcryX

08-26-2007, 11:44 PM

Well...as long as Bishop is returned to his former glorious badassedness i'll buy whatever title it is..X-men or X-Force

Rogue's Hand

08-27-2007, 05:48 AM

I hope Carey adds Monet, Husk, or even Random to the team.
Though I know the chances are slim, I have no choice but to notice
how many people on the forums actually don't like M. Not just on this forum,
but on a couple others. If they are thinking of getting rid of her, I wouldn't
mind Rogue absorbing her powers and staying with them. That would
make Rogue the tank she was and kill off someone who so many people
seem to have a problem with. M is my 2nd favorite mutant, and I know people
can't stand her lil' miss perfect attitude, but I didn't think so many readers
would actually dislike her. I actually remember her being more of a pain in the
butt during the Gen-X books. She's gotten less annoying since then IMO.

aaron

08-27-2007, 06:17 AM

you structure funny :p

UraniaChang

08-27-2007, 06:55 AM

What makes Monet boring is her numerous powers, if Rogue absorbs her then Rogue will become boring as well, I still think Miss Marvel's powers work best for her, but I doubt it that Carol would be glad to become Rogue's power source again.

masterj

08-27-2007, 08:55 AM

Am I the only one that wants Rogue to just have her own powers? I like Rogue when all she can do is absorb the abilities of others. If they write her liek this though she needs to learn some new fighting skills and what not.

And Rogue should keep her hands off M. M's too great to be killed off.

El Bastardo

08-27-2007, 11:00 AM

Rogue having her "own" powers is exactly why I'd put her on a strike team like X-Force would assumedly be. The versatility is grand. But, unfortunately, I think that's why a lot of writers want her to permanently absorb powers. I don't mind the "classic" Rogue with Ms. Marvel powers so much, but Sunfire-Rogue sucked. And will always suck.

The Englishman

08-27-2007, 12:37 PM

So if there is going to be a new X-Force what would be everybody's badass lineups be?

aaron

08-27-2007, 12:41 PM

cable
bishop
rogue
lady mastermind
gambit

El Bastardo

08-27-2007, 12:57 PM

So if there is going to be a new X-Force what would be everybody's badass lineups be?

You should go take a look at the last few pages of the Astonishing thread if you want to look at my overall ideas and picks and discussion with OutcryX, but my quick list:

Cable
Domino
Bishop
Gambit
Rogue
Nightcrawler (more than likely)

Additional picks/substitutions: Cannonball, Iceman, Meltdown, Shatterstar, maybe Warpath

Canemacar

08-27-2007, 01:02 PM

I'm having flashbacks to the 90's!

Ahh! The shoulderpads! They're impractically massive! And the pouches! Oh God, why are there so many pouches?!

El Bastardo

08-27-2007, 01:39 PM

To hold important things! Like... maps. And ammo. Must have ammo.

OutcryX

08-27-2007, 02:01 PM

To hold important things! Like... maps. And ammo. Must have ammo.

LOTS and LOTS of ammo...and HUGE MASSIVE UNREALISTICALLY BIG guns...lots of them...each person must carry at least three...with an optional shoulder cannon....the pouches also hold condoms cuz, well, you always need protection....art by Rob Liefield

El Bastardo

08-27-2007, 02:33 PM

To be fair, Cable's from the future. Huge massive "unrealistic" guns are the mainstream there.

Slant

08-27-2007, 02:50 PM

I'm having flashbacks to the 90's!

Ahh! The shoulderpads! They're impractically massive! And the pouches! Oh God, why are there so many pouches?!
:D

That X Force roster would be awesome though. Could you imagine Gambit going for the whole stealth feel trying to blend in while Cable's walking around like this...

http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/f/f9/Cable_001.gif

Canemacar

08-27-2007, 03:10 PM

[quote=Slant;12596611]That X Force roster would be awesome though. Could you imagine Gambit going for the whole stealth feel trying to blend in while Cable's walking around like this...quote]

It'd be funny to watch them bicker.

G: Sometimes it's better to use a light touch, mon ami.

C: Bah! If firepower isn't working, you're just not using enough of it!

Or,

G's Plan B: Find a way around.

C's Plan B: Twice as much explosives as Plan A.

DarthCyclopsRLZ

08-27-2007, 03:35 PM

Imagine the debate over whose Plan B is the best...

G: All I'm saying, mon ami, is that less explosives and more stealth would be safer and more cost-efficient...

C: Stealth is for cowards. Why don't you go back to France hiding behind a giant useless wall or something.

G: What the f...? I'm not even from Fra...

C: ENOUGH!! I say we blast the f**k out of it all!!!!!! I'm from the future!!! I know better!!!

G: Good God, now he's channeling future Rogue rather than actual Summers material. Great.

Canemacar

08-27-2007, 03:54 PM

G: Good God, now he's channeling future Rogue rather than actual Summers material. Great.

Cable: Ah loves ya, but ah can't touch ya!

Remy: :wow:

El Bastardo

08-27-2007, 04:40 PM

http://images.wikia.com/marveldatabase/images/f/f9/Cable_001.gif
Cable! :D :D :D

OutcryX

08-27-2007, 06:41 PM

Kevin D. Comicboy

08-27-2007, 07:24 PM

ROFLMAO all of the above.

The Englishman

08-27-2007, 07:38 PM

As Bishop comes in wearing just as much gear if not more, than Cable. they high five each other, chest bump and scream
"hell yeah"
Gambit slides over to rogue and touches her...instant death
Brilliant...LOL!!

Canemacar

08-27-2007, 08:06 PM

Gambit slides over to rogue and touches her...instant death

Meh. It beats anything else he's done in the last decade.

Canemacar

08-27-2007, 09:33 PM

Where is the Messiah Complex one-shot supposed to fit into continuity?

Specter313

08-27-2007, 09:43 PM

Where is the Messiah Complex one-shot supposed to fit into continuity?

Right before the event starts in the four main x-books.

Canemacar

08-27-2007, 09:45 PM

So between issues 204 and 205 of Adjectiveless?

Slant

08-27-2007, 09:50 PM

Yeah.

205 is part 5 of the crossover, according to the solicits.

Canemacar

08-27-2007, 09:55 PM

That gives me some hope for 204. If he's out killing things right after that bedside promise crap with Rogue, it kinda balances out.

UraniaChang

08-27-2007, 10:01 PM

So I guess putting Cable and Gambit on the same team would cause suicidal-homicide eventually.

Slant

08-27-2007, 10:07 PM

That gives me some hope for 204. If he's out killing things right after that bedside promise crap with Rogue, it kinda balances out.

Unless the promise IS to kill things....:D

Canemacar

08-27-2007, 10:13 PM

Unless the promise IS to kill things....:D

Rogue: "Remy, promise me you'll make those f***ers bleed!"

If she were more like that, maybe I wouldn't hate Romy so much.:woot:

So I guess putting Cable and Gambit on the same team would cause suicidal-homicide eventually.

It'd be like Cable/Deadpool except instead of humor, there's grevious bodily injury!

DarthCyclopsRLZ

08-27-2007, 11:43 PM

Rogue: "Remy, promise me you'll make those f***ers bleed!"

If she were more like that, maybe I wouldn't hate Romy so much.:woot:

Just for the record, I *REALLY* hope they don't lay it too thick with the whole matricide angle. :wow:

Good God, I'm not even sure I'd buy it if Remy didn't run for the hills the second Rogue ask him to be part of it.

OutcryX

08-27-2007, 11:47 PM

Just for the record, I *REALLY* hope they don't lay it too thick with the whole matricide angle. :wow:

Good God, I'm not even sure I'd buy it if Remy didn't run for the hills the second Rogue ask him to be part of it.

I would really like for Remy to RE-grow his pair...wrap them in latex...and slap Rogue across the face with them and tell her to Shag off....cuz..well..Gambit could be kinda cool when he isn't around her....and if he'd only change the purple..or is that pink? in his outfit...or does it take a real man to pull that off?

DarthCyclopsRLZ

08-27-2007, 11:49 PM

Fuschia, actually.

It's a surprise the guys in the team haven't mocked him endlessly over the years.

OutcryX

08-27-2007, 11:51 PM

Fuschia, actually.

It's a surprise the guys in the team haven't mocked him endlessly over the years.

Bishop would...then again..they did get chummy for a while in the late 90s

DarthCyclopsRLZ

08-27-2007, 11:53 PM

Still, point is, NO ONE has any business acting like they're badass while wearing fuschia.

I think it's a law written in the actual fabric of the universe.

OutcryX

08-27-2007, 11:56 PM

Still, point is, NO ONE has any business acting like they're badass while wearing fuschia.

I think it's a law written in the actual fabric of the universe.

unless thats the whole point....Gambit can because he soo uber cool and badass that he transcend the whole fuschia..because dammit, its his favorite color...and everyone chalks it up to the French in him...even though he is from Louisiana

Canemacar

08-27-2007, 11:58 PM

unless thats the whole point....Gambit can because he soo uber cool and badass that he transcend the whole fuschia..because dammit, its his favorite color...and everyone chalks it up to the French in him...even though he is from Louisiana

Thats just what Rogue tells everyone. Truth is he's colorblind and thinks he's wearing red.

DarthCyclopsRLZ

08-28-2007, 12:01 AM

Thats just what Rogue tells everyone. Truth is he's colorblind and thinks he's wearing red.

ROTFMLAO.

And imagine the day he inexplicably gets to see colors again.

"Why the f**k didn't any of you a$$hole tell me this wasn't blood red...???!!!"

OutcryX

08-28-2007, 12:03 AM

ROTFMLAO.

And imagine the day he inexplicably gets to see colors again.

"Why the f**k didn't any of you a$$hole tell me this wasn't blood red...???!!!"

My God...how i do enjoy these exchanges....i missed them for a second there...

DarthCyclopsRLZ

08-28-2007, 12:31 AM

Here's the sequel, then.

Remy: "Why the f**k didn't any of you a$$hole tell me this wasn't blood red...???!!!"

Random x-man: "Why the f**k do you think? And NO, it's not the funny factor."

Remy: "Then wh... Oh. The a$$hole thingy, isn't it?

Random x-man: Kinda.

Remy: So that's why no one comments on Logan's hideous old school outfit.

Random x-man: What, you didn't actually think Summers brought the spandex back just for looking the hero part, did you?

Canemacar

08-28-2007, 12:32 AM

DarthCyclopsRLZ

08-28-2007, 12:36 AM

The X-men totally need to get together and mess with the guy's head 24/7. It's the least they could do for all the stuff he pulls.

We could start with outfits similar to the one Cyke was wearing in his "dream sequence" in AXM 5.

Just for the record, I re-read the thing the other day and *really* noticed the top was cut so Cyke's midrif was exposed. Too f****n funny.

Now imagine Remy wearing stuff like that.

OutcryX

08-28-2007, 12:39 AM

We could start with outfits similar to the one Cyke was wearing in his "dream sequence" in AXM 5.

Just for the record, I re-read the thing the other day and *really* noticed the top was cut so Cyke's midrif was exposed. Too f****n funny.

Now imagine Remy wearing stuff like that.

it'd be in character....he should be in Abercrombie Ads

DarthCyclopsRLZ

08-28-2007, 12:39 AM

it'd be in character....he should be in Abercrombie Ads

I'd crack a joke about you breaking Canemacar's heart, but he'd probably agree.

Canemacar

08-28-2007, 12:41 AM

it'd be in character....he should be in Abercrombie Ads

He probably sings in a boyband too.

OutcryX

08-28-2007, 12:42 AM

He probably sings in a boyband too.

Bishop is his er, um.."bodyguard"

DarthCyclopsRLZ

08-28-2007, 12:42 AM

See, told ya.

Canemacar

08-28-2007, 12:44 AM

Bishop is his er, um.."bodyguard"

http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Page=1&Order=Date&Piece=192510&GSub=35981&GCat=0&UCat=0

OutcryX

08-28-2007, 12:46 AM

http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Page=1&Order=Date&Piece=192510&GSub=35981&GCat=0&UCat=0

LMAO...exactly as i pictured it...now put DRAG SHOW in bold pink letters behind them

DarthCyclopsRLZ

08-28-2007, 12:49 AM

Pfff. As if you had pictured *just* that.

Am surprised you didn't comment on how Remy was by far the prettiest boy of the two.

Canemacar

08-28-2007, 12:53 AM

I'm done for tonight. Later.

JustABill

08-28-2007, 01:12 AM

I always pictured Alex as the Abercrombie type too.

Scott and Emma are the rich snobby couple that shop with LL Bean.

Gambit is the one that shops at the discount rack in Wal Mart in my mind. :o

Canemacar

08-28-2007, 01:15 AM

Gambit is the one that shops at the discount rack in Wal Mart in my mind. :o

Wait, whats wrong with that?:huh:

JustABill

08-28-2007, 01:17 AM

Wait, whats wrong with that?:huh:
Nothing at all. I have clothes from Wal Mart. Just saying that's where I see him. :o

The Englishman

08-28-2007, 05:27 AM

I would really like for Remy to RE-grow his pair...wrap them in latex...and slap Rogue across the face with them and tell her to Shag off....cuz..well..Gambit could be kinda cool when he isn't around her....and if he'd only change the purple..or is that pink? in his outfit...or does it take a real man to pull that off?
Yeah it takes a real man to pull it off!! But i do prefer the Black and Blue suit he was wearing in recent times before milligan turned him into Black Gambit:csad: .

UraniaChang

08-28-2007, 06:13 AM

Scott and Emma are the rich snobby couple that shop with LL Bean.

More like Emma takes Scott to LL Bean and insists him wearing their clothes, I can hardly imagine Scott being the fashion type.

OutcryX

08-28-2007, 12:59 PM

Pfff. As if you had pictured *just* that.

Am surprised you didn't comment on how Remy was by far the prettiest boy of the two.
Well Gambit is sooo pretty that he could pass for a girl..or be REALLY popular in prison..while Bishop has a more masculine handsomeness to him...they would be a good couple..and arguably..better than gambit and Rogue, lol.

OutcryX

08-28-2007, 01:01 PM

More like Emma takes Scott to LL Bean and insists him wearing their clothes, I can hardly imagine Scott being the fashion type.

I dunno, Scott has always come off as preppy to me...American Eagle, banana republic, J. Crew and LL Bean all come to mind....it dont think it would take too much of a push from emma...she is only there to help him differentiate the colors anyway...and Havok, being a wannabe, shops wherever big bro does.

Canemacar

08-28-2007, 01:25 PM

Well Gambit is sooo pretty that he could pass for a girl..or be REALLY popular in prison..while Bishop has a more masculine handsomeness to him...they would be a good couple..and arguably..better than gambit and Rogue, lol.

Something about that was almost included in the NYX mini released a few years ago.

Slant

08-28-2007, 01:47 PM

ROTFMLAO.

And imagine the day he inexplicably gets to see colors again.

"Why the f**k didn't any of you a$$hole tell me this wasn't blood red...???!!!"
Scott: It looks blood red to me...
Remy: :dry:

Of course, I don't know what colors Scott really sees with his shades and all. I'm assuming its red but I don't know.

DarthCyclopsRLZ

08-28-2007, 03:34 PM

Scott: It looks blood red to me...
Remy: :dry:

Of course, I don't know what colors Scott really sees with his shades and all. I'm assuming its red but I don't know.

Well, to be fair, I sincerely doubt *anyone* asks Cyke for advice on color schemes.

Canemacar

08-28-2007, 03:59 PM

Well, to be fair, I sincerely doubt *anyone* asks Cyke for advice on color schemes.

...or anything else.

Slant

08-28-2007, 04:07 PM

They'd rather tell him off.

DarthCyclopsRLZ

08-28-2007, 04:08 PM

...or anything else.

Dunno, he's taken brooding to somewhat of an art form for someone who A) isn't actually crazy and B) doesn't have a dark slash murderous past.

Pissed off brats might wanna ask for pointers rather than, say, throw hissy fits after brooding for 3 seconds flat and then proceed to annoy the f**k out of everyone else.

But then again, that would mean them getting a clue. :wow:

DarthCyclopsRLZ

08-28-2007, 04:09 PM

They'd rather tell him off.

Better for the ego, I suppose.

Still, lucky Cyke *knows* that and is being a good sport about it. He *CAN* use his blasts to break specific limbs after all. Not to violent and would definitely convey a 'don't f**k with me' message.

OutcryX

08-28-2007, 05:11 PM

Dunno, he's taken brooding to somewhat of an art form for someone who A) isn't actually crazy and B) doesn't have a dark slash murderous past.

Pissed off brats might wanna ask for pointers rather than, say, throw hissy fits after brooding for 3 seconds flat and then proceed to annoy the f**k out of everyone else.

But then again, that would mean them getting a clue. :wow:

say, you wouldn't be talking about, i dunno...KITTY would you?....or was it Rachel?

UraniaChang

08-28-2007, 10:46 PM

Better for the ego, I suppose.

Still, lucky Cyke *knows* that and is being a good sport about it. He *CAN* use his blasts to break specific limbs after all. Not to violent and would definitely convey a 'don't f**k with me' message.

If Scott was that kind blasting anyone who crosses him just so for conveying the message, then mutants would have become an endangered species long time ago.

Besides, Scott and Gambit definitely have different tastes in clothes, they both know better to ask each other for advice. But they could have a heart-to-heart chat about who's girlfriend is more of a handful.

I dunno, Scott has always come off as preppy to me...American Eagle, banana republic, J. Crew and LL Bean all come to mind....it dont think it would take too much of a push from emma...she is only there to help him differentiate the colors anyway...and Havok, being a wannabe, shops wherever big bro does.

Scott does dress preppy, but most of his clothes look more like Xavier's hand-me-down, like this
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x53/uraniachang/X-Menv1-03.jpg

Hotaru

08-29-2007, 03:14 PM

X-Men #203 Preview @ ComicBookResources (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=11726)

JustABill

08-29-2007, 03:46 PM

I wish something would happen to Ramos hands so he could never draw again. :o

Xplicit Content

08-29-2007, 03:47 PM

rotfl, what's going on with Emma's boots? Looks like she's prepared to trudge in about 3 feet of mud.

And did Ramos not get the memo that everyone is supposed to draw Beast like a cat? Don't get me wrong, Ape Beast >>>> Cat Beast, but still. So much for continuity.

Slant

08-29-2007, 03:51 PM

Emma's boots are ridiculous.

Ugh Ramos. His Beast isn't that bad, but everything else...

JustABill

08-29-2007, 03:57 PM

Emma looks like she's walking like an orangutan or something in that one panel with her Wolvie, Cyclops and Beast.

She's devolved into a Neanderthal or either gained a new mutant ability to dislocate her limbs.

Hotaru

08-29-2007, 04:18 PM

I'll wait with bashing Ramos 'till I see the entire issue - just to be fair. :)

Rogue's Hand

08-29-2007, 05:46 PM

Can someone try and decipher what's going on in these pages?
I see the Mansion is trashed, but where is the X-jet landing?

OutcryX

08-29-2007, 06:08 PM

I LOOOOVE Ramos's Beast...and is that Brown haired girl Kitty?

Specter313

08-29-2007, 06:11 PM

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X-MEN #203
Written by MIKE CAREY
Pencils & Cover by HUMBERTO RAMOS
As the Xavier Academy reels from Exodus's attack and the Marauders' true goals emerge, the X-Men finally find themselves in a position to take the offensive. But only if Iceman and Cannonball deliberately walk into an ambush from which they may not emerge alive.
FEATURING ENDANGERED SPECIES Chapter 13
Beast's alliance with Dark Beast is put to the test as scientific inquiry turns into cold-blooded murder!
40 PGS./Rated A ...$2.99

JustABill

08-29-2007, 06:42 PM

Cold Blooded Murder? Bishop go bye bye. :o

OutcryX

08-29-2007, 07:53 PM

Cold Blooded Murder? Bishop go bye bye. :o

seeing how Bishop plays an important role in MC...doubtful

JustABill

08-29-2007, 08:40 PM

He can still play an important role if he's dead.

DarthCyclopsRLZ

08-29-2007, 08:56 PM

Oooooh.

Anyone else getting this vibe that Cyke knew all about Emma brainwashing Kitty and greenlighted it without batting an eyelash? :D

OutcryX

08-29-2007, 10:06 PM

He can still play an important role if he's dead.

don't make me hate you. leave Bishop alone

OutcryX

08-29-2007, 10:09 PM

Oooooh.

Anyone else getting this vibe that Cyke knew all about Emma brainwashing Kitty and greenlighted it without batting an eyelash? :D

i thought the shadowpussy had a resistance to being mindfu_ked?
and if Emma can do that...why cant she just make kitty...oh nvm...you KNOW where im going and what im gonna say

UraniaChang

08-29-2007, 10:18 PM

Ugh...aweful art, of all three main titles, adjectiveless is the worst.

Colossal Spoons

08-29-2007, 10:40 PM

Bishop FTW!

Kevin D. Comicboy

08-29-2007, 11:02 PM

To be honest, the art is making me a bit mad now.

JustABill

08-29-2007, 11:30 PM

Bishop dies and becomes a martyr. :o

Essentially becoming useful again. :o

Colossal Spoons

08-29-2007, 11:33 PM

How about we kill Northstar!? :cmad:

Kevin D. Comicboy

08-29-2007, 11:35 PM

How about we kill Northstar!? :cmad:
:mad: I'm pro-gay before I'm pro-black!:mad::(

Colossal Spoons

08-29-2007, 11:37 PM

For shame! :mad::(

Kevin D. Comicboy

08-29-2007, 11:50 PM

Well, it's not that bad, really. I actually like Northstar more because i read more with him, more or less. And I'm still upset bishop is pro-reg. Over a year and I'm still bitter.

iamlegend

08-30-2007, 01:01 AM

Well, it's not that bad, really. I actually like Northstar more because i read more with him, more or less. And I'm still upset bishop is pro-reg. Over a year and I'm still bitter.

But Bishop's always been about mutants policing their own... in an effort to keep 616 from becoming what his own reality was.

He's trying to save mutants by keeping them from flying off the handle and helping to create the horrid future he's seen.

I think it adds a complex level to his character, personally.

Kevin D. Comicboy

08-30-2007, 06:19 AM

Still makes him a tool.

El Bastardo

08-30-2007, 11:52 AM

Can someone try and decipher what's going on in these pages?
I see the Mansion is trashed, but where is the X-jet landing?
If by mentioning "decipher" you think it's unclear, then... wow. :dry:
It's really not. It's pretty easy. But nowhere in the art does it show the Mansion trashed. If you're thinking about the burning area, that's the place where the Marauders ambushed Rogue's team and Cyclops's team.
As for where the Blackbird is landing, who knows? Wherever Cannonball/Iceman/prisoner-Sunfire were sent by Emma, last issue.

I LOOOOVE Ramos's Beast...and is that Brown haired girl Kitty?
Ramos's Beast rocks, most assuredly. Like most of his character renditions. :woot: And you know that's Kitty, my little Outcry. Come over to my side of things. It's so much nicer. Come. Love the Ramos. Loooooove it.

Oooooh.

Anyone else getting this vibe that Cyke knew all about Emma brainwashing Kitty and greenlighted it without batting an eyelash? :D
Darn right. :D And how awesome is that going to be? HEAPING LOADS of awesome.

OutcryX

08-30-2007, 01:21 PM

Still makes him a tool.

Bishop isn't a tool. he's cautious about not letting his future come to be.

Bishop is awesome...and much more so than Northstar

OutcryX

08-30-2007, 01:22 PM

If by mentioning "decipher" you think it's unclear, then... wow. :dry:
It's really not. It's pretty easy. But nowhere in the art does it show the Mansion trashed. If you're thinking about the burning area, that's the place where the Marauders ambushed Rogue's team and Cyclops's team.
As for where the Blackbird is landing, who knows? Wherever Cannonball/Iceman/prisoner-Sunfire were sent by Emma, last issue.

Ramos's Beast rocks, most assuredly. Like most of his character renditions. :woot: And you know that's Kitty, my little Outcry. Come over to my side of things. It's so much nicer. Come. Love the Ramos. Loooooove it.

Darn right. :D And how awesome is that going to be? HEAPING LOADS of awesome.

oh i've always like Ramos. thats for sure, bachelo too...i'm a fan of all manga influenced artists

DarthCyclopsRLZ

08-30-2007, 05:42 PM

Darn right. :D And how awesome is that going to be? HEAPING LOADS of awesome.

The X-verse coming to a sudden halt, tilting their head to the side and raising an eyebrow while wondering why he stopped being everyone's b**ch.

Can't wait for another team leader to go "Awwww, so we don't get to disobey direct orders anymore and/or receive 'get out of jail for free' card cause we're such bada$$es?"

I'm laughing my a$$ off.

Varient

08-31-2007, 04:55 PM

meh.

DarthCyclopsRLZ

09-01-2007, 05:58 PM

meh.

The hell?

'Meh' to what?? Last post or...? :huh:

Canemacar

09-01-2007, 07:31 PM

Where's the B-bird landing in the 203 solicits?

El Bastardo

09-01-2007, 09:48 PM

Wherever it is that Emma sent them off to last issue, I write again.

OutcryX

09-01-2007, 10:13 PM

Wherever it is that Emma sent them off to last issue, I write again.

anyone think Shiro will be one of the Marauders to defect and rejoin the X-Men?

can we count Gambit as NOT being one of the two? since its pretty much been confirmed he wont be rejoining after MC?

i think Karima will be the other

Canemacar

09-01-2007, 11:36 PM

It's not going to be Shiro, I know that much. Since I doubt any of the long-time Marauders will turn, the second one is going to be either Lady M, Mystique, or Gambit(despite not rejoining or something).

DarthCyclopsRLZ

09-02-2007, 01:19 AM

anyone think Shiro will be one of the Marauders to defect and rejoin the X-Men?

No.

can we count Gambit as NOT being one of the two? since its pretty much been confirmed he wont be rejoining after MC?

Not sure whether they meant rejoining a team of vaguely being part of the 'good guys' side of the war, eh.

i think Karima will be the other
Probably. Possession isn't quite betrayal.

It's not going to be Shiro, I know that much. Since I doubt any of the long-time Marauders will turn, the second one is going to be either Lady M, Mystique, or Gambit(despite not rejoining or something).

Wouldn't bet much on the first two.

DarthCyclopsRLZ

09-02-2007, 01:23 AM

Just a thought...

All of this just to *BLIND* the X-Men? Rather than just *OFF* them? Wait, what? If the kid's the actual solution to the mutant extinction problem and if the X-Men are that big of a threat, I'm expecting a good reason for the baddies to not just murder everything in sight...

Canemacar

09-02-2007, 02:53 AM

I'm expecting a good reason for the baddies to not just murder everything in sight...

With the Marauders involved, there is no good reason. Thats who they are, it's what they do.

iamlegend

09-02-2007, 10:05 AM

With the Marauders involved, there is no good reason. Thats who they are, it's what they do.

This is true.

But considering just WHO they're going after this time... It'd be a bit of a let down if they don't give us some kind of motive.

Colossal Spoons

09-02-2007, 10:26 AM

anyone think Shiro will be one of the Marauders to defect and rejoin the X-Men?

can we count Gambit as NOT being one of the two? since its pretty much been confirmed he wont be rejoining after MC?

I hope Sunfire comes back :( I'm not diggin him as a baddie.

I must have missed the interview that confirmed that. I'm not doubting you, just sayin I didn't read it :(

OutcryX

09-02-2007, 11:00 AM

I hope Sunfire comes back :( I'm not diggin him as a baddie.

I must have missed the interview that confirmed that. I'm not doubting you, just sayin I didn't read it :(

doubt away...cuz i made that part up:woot: just going with overall consensus of the writers' interviews and whatnot..

but i do hope Sunfire comes back...even though he really seems to enjoy being a bad guy....once he commits to something..it's a wrap

squeekness

09-02-2007, 12:20 PM

Specter313

09-02-2007, 12:24 PM

I hope Sunfire comes back :( I'm not diggin him as a baddie.

I must have missed the interview that confirmed that. I'm not doubting you, just sayin I didn't read it :(

When was that confirmed?

I believe you can find it in here:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=280266

OutcryX

09-02-2007, 12:27 PM

I believe you can find it in here:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=280266

thanks for the backup there Spec....you are The Watcher of the X-men forums

squeekness

09-02-2007, 12:32 PM

I believe you can find it in here:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=280266Thanks, but his response was really vague. I hope it's not binding. I mean, there were no details. *tries to be optimistic*

The Englishman

09-03-2007, 04:42 PM

I hope Iceman kicks some serious Arse in the next issue!! :woot:

Canemacar

09-03-2007, 07:24 PM

I hope Iceman kicks some serious Arse in the next issue!! :woot:

Isn't the next issue the one where he and Sam walk face-first into a trap?

Cdnmouse

09-04-2007, 01:39 AM

Isn't the next issue the one where he and Sam walk face-first into a trap?

Yeah that is what is seems to be what the book is leading us to believe. I would also like to see them Kick some ass while falling into that trap lol.

DarthCyclopsRLZ

09-04-2007, 02:02 AM

Yeah that is what is seems to be what the book is leading us to believe. I would also like to see them Kick some ass while falling into that trap lol.

Probably will. Although it looks like the other crews will back them up.

Would expect some action, but not an 'OMG, Sam & Bobby roxor the bestest' motif.

Snikt 6

09-04-2007, 08:25 AM

Isn't the next issue the one where he and Sam walk face-first into a trap?

Gonna be fun! Looking forward to what Carey has planned.

OutcryX

09-04-2007, 07:40 PM

If his past issues are any indication....Sam and bobby are about to become super mega OMGZ aweZome in ONE issue

Jake Cassidy

09-04-2007, 08:29 PM

They already are.

The Englishman

09-06-2007, 03:15 PM

They already are.
I second that! :up:

El Bastardo

09-06-2007, 06:58 PM

Cannonball taking charge on Sunfire rocked.

Don't make this dirty, Outcry.

aaron

09-06-2007, 07:00 PM

sam and bobby are going gay together.. sam's a top.. bobby's the *****

El Bastardo

09-06-2007, 07:00 PM

And that was pretty stupid.

Congrats. :up:

aaron

09-06-2007, 07:01 PM

i know :(

i'll come back with new, better, crazier, fantastical material

OutcryX

09-06-2007, 07:26 PM

Cannonball taking charge on Sunfire rocked.

Don't make this dirty, Outcry.

dammit...why da hell not? i'm pretty sure i could come up with something....jet propulsated rocket thrusting and such:woot:

Canemacar

09-06-2007, 08:20 PM

It'd be like taking shots at the Bush administration: there's no sport left in it.

UraniaChang

09-06-2007, 08:35 PM

Isn't the next issue the one where he and Sam walk face-first into a trap?

Isn't Sam's ability slam head-first into anything? :oldrazz:

DarthCyclopsRLZ

09-06-2007, 08:40 PM

Isn't Sam's ability slam head-first into anything? :oldrazz:

Think you just beat OutcryX. :wow:

Seriously, though, Carey might've arbitrarily made them cool again off-panel in-between BOA and his run, but I doubt he'd go as far as make them tactical geniuses, eh. Sounds like what those two would do. For somewhat different reasons, but still.

OutcryX

09-06-2007, 08:56 PM

Isn't Sam's ability slam head-first into anything? :oldrazz:

so long as Bobby doesnt give him quite the literal case of blue ballz

OutcryX

09-06-2007, 08:57 PM

Think you just beat OutcryX. :wow:

Seriously, though, Carey might've arbitrarily made them cool again off-panel in-between BOC and his run, but I doubt he'd go as far as make them tactical geniuses, eh. Sounds like what those two would do. For somewhat different reasons, but still.

Sam is somewhat of a tactician...all that time spent with Cable he was bound to pick up something....but bobby, he's just plain ol' headstrong....so maybe hanging out with him dumbed Sam down

DarthCyclopsRLZ

09-06-2007, 09:15 PM

Sam is somewhat of a tactician...all that time spent with Cable he was bound to pick up something....but bobby, he's just plain ol' headstrong....so maybe hanging out with him dumbed Sam down

Kinda what I meant.

Sam would go because there isn't much of another option. Bobby would go cause he's Bobby.

Florida Rogue

09-08-2007, 10:03 PM

Does anyone know where I can find an x-men rogue costume from the Uncanny x-men series? I have searched for years and have yet to find one. Think self-assembly is the only option?

Cdnmouse

09-12-2007, 07:25 PM

Does anyone know where I can find an x-men rogue costume from the Uncanny x-men series? I have searched for years and have yet to find one. Think self-assembly is the only option?

I have only seen one and it was a home made costume, but I have to say it was top notch lol. So i doubt you will find a store bought one. Maybe try Ebay, never know what people will make and sell on there.

Specter313

09-17-2007, 05:50 PM

http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/marvelcomics/200712-advance/xm206.jpg

X-MEN #206
Written by MIKE CAREY
Penciled by CHRIS BACHALO
Cover by DAVID FINCH
Variant Cover by SIMONE BIANCHI
MESSIAH COMPLEX Part 9
Layla Miller and Madrox make a startling discovery but their chances of escape appear bleak. The hunt for the baby continues as the casualties mount and a shocking turn of events reveals a traitor!
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

Canemacar

09-17-2007, 06:09 PM

Who's face?

aaron

09-17-2007, 06:13 PM

yum

OutcryX

09-17-2007, 07:10 PM

damn...ANOTHER traitor!?! this event looks all kinds of righteous awesome

UraniaChang

09-17-2007, 07:34 PM

Who's face?

My thought exactly.

Coldqueen

09-18-2007, 04:13 AM

Ummm...are we supposed to recognize that person?

TromaFreak64

09-18-2007, 10:38 AM

no idea whose face that is.

aaron

09-18-2007, 12:14 PM

Ummm...are we supposed to recognize that person?

long time no speak!

DarthCyclopsRLZ

09-18-2007, 01:29 PM

Ummm...are we supposed to recognize that person?

Isolationist, maybe?

aaron

09-18-2007, 01:50 PM

its my mom :o

Canemacar

09-18-2007, 04:04 PM

Isolationist, maybe?

Probably. Madrox and Layla seem to be taking over the book according to solicits.

The huge Widow's Peak, reminds me of Sinister though.

Coldqueen

09-19-2007, 11:07 AM

its my mom :o

Your mom is one ugly *****.:cwink:

aaron

09-19-2007, 11:39 AM

well she does get around so like duh :p

Snikt 6

09-19-2007, 12:55 PM

Weak cover.........

aaron

09-19-2007, 12:56 PM

you dare question finch?!

Snikt 6

09-19-2007, 12:57 PM

Yup. Usually his work is right on. They should have let Carlos draw that cover. Who is that dude anyway? Like I said...weak. Give a little effort...jeez.

aaron

09-19-2007, 12:58 PM

or get skottie young to do every cover for every x title.. ever!! :o

Snikt 6

09-19-2007, 01:01 PM

I would much rather have MARKO DJURDJEVIC do all the covers. Him or Billy Tan.

aaron

09-19-2007, 01:01 PM

hmm maybe billy tan :heart:

i liked yanick's storm cover for the latest uxm

Snikt 6

09-19-2007, 01:03 PM

Yeah, that was good stuff. There has been some pretty cool art coming out of the X books recently.....

aaron

09-19-2007, 01:03 PM

'cept for the latest wolverine.. that art was soo crap imo

Snikt 6

09-19-2007, 01:05 PM

Yeah - that was so bad I have mentally blocked those images. Pure junkedy junk.

aaron

09-19-2007, 01:07 PM

i said somewhere else.. that issue gives any artist, if theyre bad or good, inspiration thats theres a good chance they can make it in this business.

JustABill

09-19-2007, 01:08 PM

One thing I hate about crossovers the books get confusing as **** when people are starring outside of their respective books. :(

Snikt 6

09-19-2007, 01:09 PM

^Yeah...that and you gotta fork out extra bucks to get comics you usually dont get just so you dont get lost.

Coldqueen

09-20-2007, 02:57 AM

You are all such geeks.

Psssht, naming ARTISTS. FRAK THE ARTISTS. IT'S ABOUT THE WRITING! THE INTEGRITY OF THE STORY AND THE CHARACTERS! SCREW THE ARTISTS!!!

*she says this despite the fact that she's not currently reading any comics until the latest HOOPLAH is over*

Colossal Spoons

09-20-2007, 03:07 AM

^You're skipping all the Endangered Species/Messiah Complex stuff?

Canemacar

09-20-2007, 03:09 AM

Can't blame her. "90's style crossover" is comic shorthand for "massive cluster****".

Coldqueen

09-20-2007, 03:13 AM

For once...I agree with CanCan. A girl can get tired of all the damn crossovers and issues needed to be bought to just UNDERSTAND the damn thing.

I also didn't read DC's 52, any of the Crisisessesses, and the current Countdown. If I'm not doing it for DC, I damn well ain't doing it for Marvel.

Colossal Spoons

09-20-2007, 03:18 AM

cluster**** = well told story?

I buy all the X-books anyway so I didn't have to go out of my way to keep up with the current crossover. What X-books aren't you two reading that you'd have to pick up.

DC's 52 and Countdown are both decent. I bought 52, but I'm "acquiring" Countdown ;)

Coldqueen

09-20-2007, 03:23 AM

Havok83

09-20-2007, 06:34 AM

Well I for one am looking forwrd to Messiah Complex bc this will be the first time in 10 years that the X-teams will have a big crossover story like this. That kind of died off after OZT

Colossal Spoons

09-20-2007, 09:55 AM

The only Marvel comics I read are UXM and regular ole adjectiveless.

Puh-lease. I'm not buying crossovers in general. Usually it has little to no purpose other than to jack up the company's profits and to add "hype" and it usually disappoints readers anyways.

(The only DC comics I read are Teen Titans, Birds of Prey, and Legion of Superheroes, btw).

Ah, so you don't read a crazy number of comics anyway. I see why a crossover wouldn't be practical for you :up:

Well I for one am looking forwrd to Messiah Complex bc this will be the first time in 10 years that the X-teams will have a big crossover story like this. That kind of died off after OZT

Even if I weren't looking forward to it, I read every last book so I'd read it anyway :D

aaron

09-20-2007, 03:49 PM

^You're skipping all the Endangered Species/Messiah Complex stuff?

im skipping it for my own sanity :o

Canemacar

09-20-2007, 07:52 PM

http://www.dudetubeonline.com/2007/09/04/xmen0830.jpg

Looks like there's going to be a throwdown in #205.

Acolytes
Frenzy
Tempo

Marauders
Riptide
Scalphunter
Sunfire
Malice(Karima)
Vertigo
Arclight

Sinister

X-men
Colossus
Emma
Wolverine
Storm
Karma?
Angel
Nightcrawler

Exodis doesn't seem to be there. Neither are Rogue, Cyclops, or Gambit(though it appears someone in a trench is getting b*****slapped by Colossus).

OutcryX

09-20-2007, 07:59 PM

sooo...anyone care to explain WHY Storm has a friggin spear!?!?! Black Panther doesn't even chuck spears....

Specter313

09-20-2007, 08:01 PM

Where'd you find this one?

And I think the trenchcoat belongs to Scrambler(way too green to be Gambit's), and the one you have listed as Karma(I'm guessing you mean the one under Sinister's arm) is actually Unuscione.

UraniaChang

09-20-2007, 08:10 PM

sooo...anyone care to explain WHY Storm has a friggin spear!?!?! Black Panther doesn't even chuck spears....

The question is why Sinister will be hurt by a spear, and the way Storm handles that spear I would be very worried if I were standing near her.

Canemacar

09-20-2007, 08:19 PM

Where'd you find this one?

Somewhere on CBR I think.

And I think the trenchcoat belongs to Scrambler(way too green to be Gambit's),

I forgot about Scrambler. Thats probably his.

and the one you have listed as Karma(I'm guessing you mean the one under Sinister's arm) is actually Unuscione.

I never was good at remembering the C-listers.

Slant

09-20-2007, 08:20 PM

Exodis doesn't seem to be there. Neither are Rogue, Cyclops, or Gambit(though it appears someone in a trench is getting b*****slapped by Colossus).
Iceman and Cannonball aren't there as well. I wonder where Cyclops is, but yeah, not surprised Rogue and Gambit aren't there.

Canemacar

09-20-2007, 08:25 PM

Iceman and Cannonball aren't there as well.

Iceman and Cannonball seem to be off doing their own thing, so I didn't surprise me that they wouldn't be in the fight.

but yeah, not surprised Rogue and Gambit aren't there.

Too busy angsting it up in Romy-land.

Yeah, theres no way this "come back" of Gambit's is going to be anything but a train-wreck.

Jake Cassidy

09-20-2007, 08:30 PM

ANGEL'S BACK!!! It's about bloody time. I hope Angel kicks Harpoon's arse for what he did to him last time.

Specter313

09-20-2007, 08:30 PM

Iceman and Cannonball seem to be off doing their own thing, so I didn't surprise me that they wouldn't be in the fight.

But the caption right there says it's from issue 205, which is right in the middle of Messiah Complex. I doubt they'd still be doing their own thing at that time. That page looks like one half of a two page splash, so they're probably on the other half.

Canemacar

09-20-2007, 08:31 PM

But the caption right there says it's from issue 205, which is right in the middle of Messiah Complex. I doubt they'd still be doing their own thing at that time.

Maybe they were captured in 203 when they were ambushed?

That page looks like one half of a two page splash, so they're probably on the other half.

Thats probably where Cyke is too.

Colossal Spoons

09-20-2007, 08:36 PM

im skipping it for my own sanity :o

Well I'm loving being crazy then :D

OutcryX

09-20-2007, 08:37 PM

ANGEL'S BACK!!! It's about bloody time. I hope Angel kicks Harpoon's arse for what he did to him last time.

yeah...I'm thinking harpoon is only gonna make him a pinup...again...angel is useless....unless he picks someone up and takes them into the hemisphere...and drops them....man, never thought i would miss archangel

UraniaChang

09-20-2007, 08:38 PM

Scott and Bobby are probably having tea on the other half of the page, waiting for the camera to switch to them.

Canemacar

09-20-2007, 08:47 PM

http://comics.ign.com/articles/821/821780p1.html

The #203 preview with the words filled in.

UraniaChang

09-20-2007, 08:51 PM

God, I hate the art, after seeing how Scott and Hank were drawn in X-Factor #23 seeing this art is like a torture.

Specter313

09-20-2007, 09:04 PM

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/821/821780/x-men-20070920034308611.jpg

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/821/821780/x-men-20070920033844834.jpg

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/821/821780/x-men-20070920033840802.jpg

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/821/821780/x-men-20070920033843818.jpg

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/821/821780/x-men-20070920033838849.jpg

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/821/821780/x-men-20070920033842818.jpg

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/821/821780/x-men-20070920033841802.jpg

X-Men #203
40 full color pages
Written by: Mike Carey
Art by: Humberto Ramos
Release Date: September 20, 2007
Price: $2.99

As the Xavier Academy reels from Exodus's attack and the Marauders' true goals emerge, the X-Men finally find themselves in a position to take the offensive. But only if Iceman and Cannonball deliberately walk into an ambush from which they may not emerge alive.

FEATURING ENDANGERED SPECIES Chapter 13
Beast's alliance with Dark Beast is put to the test as scientific inquiry turns into cold-blooded murder!

- Marvel