Official X-MEN: LEGACY Discussion Thread

[ghost113]

Unless Magma dyed her black, I don't think she's on the team...I'm pretty sure the blonde is Lady Mastermind. Curious to see who the other girl is.

I love the cover though. Chris has his flaws...most glaring of which is the "Where's Waldo" quality his panels can have, but I love his art. If only he could find a way to clean it up a little, he'd be set.

I'm saying that magma is the blonde and lady mastermind is the one with the black hair.

Chris's art is different, which makes it interesting and thats the reason i'm a fan.

[Colossal Spoons]

Preview pages for X-MEN 187.

Have fun.

http://www.popcultureshock.com/reviews.php?id=5643

1. Sunfire is awesome, he needs to be in an X-book permanently :up:

2. Gambit needs to stop inserting random French words into his sentences. I know he's Cajun and all, but that just looks tacky. "Nous sont horsemen". :rolleyes:


But I am now curious where this is going to go. The Ex-Horseman League? Maybe if they made a team of it the story here might be salvaged.

See, Milligan had this planned out since Golgotha. He was tricking us into thinking he was a crappy writer so we'd be shocked by this new resolution to the Apoc arc. Yeah....that's it. :o


Chris's art is different, which makes it interesting and thats the reason i'm a fan.

Flinging poo at a piece of paper is different too :p

[ghost113]

thats just gross

[danielisthor]

1. Sunfire is awesome, he needs to be in an X-book permanently :up:

2. Gambit needs to stop inserting random French words into his sentences. I know he's Cajun and all, but that just looks tacky. "Nous sont horsemen". :rolleyes:



See, Milligan had this planned out since Golgotha. He was tricking us into thinking he was a crappy writer so we'd be shocked by this new resolution to the Apoc arc. Yeah....that's it. :o



Flinging poo at a piece of paper is different too :p


And you can probably get a government grant for it too. :eek:

[masterj]

Is Magma ever going to show up! Who cares about some Mastermind degenerate when we can have Magma. Her powers are cool and it's amusing to see her decide who she is.
*Magma looks at Test paper* Name.........
*Writes Amara Aquilla*
*Erases it*
*Writes Alison Crestmere*
*Erases it*
Magma: Damn test papers and their names!

[Colossal Spoons]

So we can't figure ut who the blonde chick is. I'd love either Magma or Husk.

[ghost113]

True, haven't they both been hanging with the 198, you have to look at the costume too see who's it resembles the most.

[bennu]

I found some new pics look in the next message

[masterj]

Rogue looks awesome. But I'm not sure on the art. I can't really tell what I'm supposed to be looking at. On the first preview page can anyoen tell who or what it is?

[bennu]

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/714/714074/x-men-188-first-look-20060622040330260.jpg

[bennu]

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/714/714074/x-men-188-first-look-20060622040329728.jpg

[bennu]

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/714/714074/x-men-188-first-look-20060622040331306.jpg

[bennu]

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/714/714074/x-men-188-first-look-20060622040332291.jpg

[bennu]

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/714/714074/x-men-188-first-look-20060622040331791.jpg

[bennu]

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/712/712657/x-men-20060614021041699.jpg

[Colossal Spoons]

That explains the prism blast thing Rogue does in that issue :up:

Rogue looks awesome. But I'm not sure on the art. I can't really tell what I'm supposed to be looking at. On the first preview page can anyoen tell who or what it is?

You must be new lol. We make it a Hype pastime of trying to decipher Bachalo's artwork :)

[SMroxs]

Um, is someone going to save the fish in the next panel? I'm really concerned we're witnessing a wanton disregard for sea life here. Nemo there is just floating in the air for crying out loud!

But I have to say that watching Rogue load up on powers before going against these guys is pretty cool. I've been waiting for her to get out of Milligan's mopey-dopey phase and get back to the sassy southern gal she used to be.

[Xplicit Content]

I'm saying that magma is the blonde and lady mastermind is the one with the black hair.

Chris's art is different, which makes it interesting and thats the reason i'm a fan.
Yeah, that's what I was saying. I'm not really familiar with Lady Mastermind, but once I found out that she was gonna be in the new lineup, I googled her to see what she was about...this is a pic of her and she's the blonde. So the only unknown character is the black haired woman.

http://www.rayeye.nl/homepage%20plaatjes/ladymastermind-k.jpg

[Xplicit Content]

The preview pages look good!

[Colossal Spoons]

Um, is someone going to save the fish in the next panel? I'm really concerned we're witnessing a wanton disregard for sea life here. Nemo there is just floating in the air for crying out loud!


Haha, I didn't even notice that before.

[ghost113]

Yeah, that's what I was saying. I'm not really familiar with Lady Mastermind, but once I found out that she was gonna be in the new lineup, I googled her to see what she was about...this is a pic of her and she's the blonde. So the only unknown character is the black haired woman.

http://www.rayeye.nl/homepage%20plaatjes/ladymastermind-k.jpg

she also has a sister who's name is martingue hason also known as lady mastermind.

[Specter313]

she also has a sister who's name is martingue hason also known as lady mastermind.

No, she's just known as just Mastermind. No lady in her name.

[ghost113]

Okay i'm talking about mastermind's daughter with black hair, okay .

[Specter313]

Okay i'm talking about mastermind's daughter with black hair, okay .

I know who you're talking about. The daughter with brunette hair is know only as Mastermind. She doesn't have any "lady" in her name.

[Specter313]

http://www.mutanthigh.com/mastermindIII.html

[ghost113]

I just has a thought maybe that black haired woman could aurora

[El Bastardo]

Unbelievable...

You people DID give Milligan ideas! Our worst fears have come true. >_<

Yes, Remy-Death and Sunfire have formed an Ex-Horseman's Club! They even wanted to get Polaris in on it, but she seems to finally no longer be insane (blast you, Milligan, you did something good!). You know... I really don't envy the writer who picks up where this **** leaves off. And Sinister? Maybe not so much an Ex-Horseman's Club but a Club For Those Who Once Worked For Apocalypse. Is that too wordy?

At least this is the last one, and yes, I was attracted to it like a fly attracted to a fresh, steaming pile. It was actually one of the more tolerable issues, because there wasn't a whole lot of stupid and weird things going on, and no Gundam-Sentinels either. Just some closure to every dramarific idiocy Milligan's done. What gets me, though? Mike Marts, on the last page, congratulates Milligan for a great X-Men run. Gag. If that's not a professional nicety, and they actually liked this stuff, then I have even less faith in Marvel.

Good things:
- The look of returning Alex and Lorna together (even if it doesn't matter, since Bru will be taking over the characters and could do it without Milligan's "help")
- The last page with Sinister. Any mentions/sights of Sinister are always plusses in my book.
- Bobby not seeming like a whiner in this issue.
- The dramafest between Alex and Bobby seemingly over. They even worked together. OMGz0rzzzzzzzzzzz.

Bad things:
- Remy-Death. Die in a pit of maneating slugs, Milligan.
- ...Well, everything else. :D :rolleyes:

See, and this is where I think the humor comes in (for, really, we must laugh, else we would cry). Milligan gives us this closure in what is a decent-ish last issue to a most craptastic run. But... where does it matter? Does it matter at all? We're going to see Mystique and Rogue in the next run, but are we going to see this Synapse dude? Lorna's running away to find herself? But she's in Uncanny starting next month! Unless those opening sample pages we saw were her hiding in Egypt and the new Uncanny team coming to recruit her. Hrm, that's possible, in which case I'd be delightedly surprised, but I won't hold my breath. Heh.

Meh. We weathered the storm, my friends. Let us feel the part of bigger, better men, and not weep for our lost Gambit openly. Do it aside, when by yourselves, so as to not be called nancy-boys.

[squeekness]

I agree, bastardo. All I can say is thank god this pig is finally over. Now I will get drunk and mourn my loss. Hopefully somewhere down the line, when all of this has blown over, Gambit will return after a facial and die job and things can go back to some sense of normalcy.

[DarknessOfDeath]

hey. question. whats the line that wolverine says about scott "always being in charge." ??? someone had it in their sig and I can't remember how it goes

[squeekness]

Beats me. :)

[Colossal Spoons]

All this mourning for Gambit. What about Sunfire? I'm a much bigger fan of his than Remy and something relevant needs to be done with him quickly!

Once upon a time, I begged people not to be so hard on Milligan. I said that he had a "master plan" and that everything would fall into place, but when I closed this issue today I couldn't help but feel overwhelming joy that Pete's off the title :)

[La The Darkman]

The Xmen are chumps in EVERY title but Astonishing....I mean in this issue I saw Sunfire basically B!t&hslap beast without using his powers....People run in and out of that mansion like it's nothing, I've seen people have a harder time getting into a nightclub.

[Colossal Spoons]

I was wondering about that scene where Sunfire shoved Beast outta the way. Glad you noticed it too.

[La The Darkman]

I was wondering about that scene where Sunfire shoved Beast outta the way. Glad you noticed it too.

I'm glad I didnt buy this book, a friend of mine did and I read it. This book has been a joke for sometime now. characters are getting away with doing things they shouldn't (Havoc slapping cyke and cyke doing NOTHING about it, Gambit as death getting taken out by ONE KICK) and nothing that is done sticks (Iceman losing his powers, Sunfire as a horseman, Lorna as a horseman) Milligan should be smacked over the head with every Xmen issue he's written like a dog who wet the carpet. :mad:

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

about iceman, it was obvious that bobby was never meant to lose his powers, even in HOM. what bendis did was have wanda "change" iceman back into human form. the big heads at marvel probably had this planed so bobby can go from human to ice up... too bad he now HAS to stay in iceform for fear he'll screw himself up. and i mostly liked Milligan's x-men run, mostly GOLGOTHA. it's where i began collecting comics. my first x-men issue was 166 and for uncanny it was 453 (yeah yeah, i know Milligan run was mushy and gushy, but i liked that.... kinda)

[squeekness]

I don't mind some mushy stuff, it's how we get development. But after this arc, I just feel all raw and bleeding from how awful it was. I am amazed that Joe Q even thought this pile of cow flop was worth printing. This is about as bad as it gets for Marvel and it's not even about my fave -- Gambit -- getting mangled. ALL this X-men in this book sucked. Mystique announcing she's an X-man like she's on the official roster now? Please. Like that would ever happen in real life. House guest maybe, but X-man. I don't think so. :down

[ghost113]

i really have to get some money so i can pick tis issue up it desn't sound as bad as the rest of the issues in this arc.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

I don't mind some mushy stuff, it's how we get development. But after this arc, I just feel all raw and bleeding from how awful it was. I am amazed that Joe Q even thought this pile of cow flop was worth printing. This is about as bad as it gets for Marvel and it's not even about my fave -- Gambit -- getting mangled. ALL this X-men in this book sucked. Mystique announcing she's an X-man like she's on the official roster now? Please. Like that would ever happen in real life. House guest maybe, but X-man. I don't think so. :down

this is my favorite part. ever since "Bizarre Love Triangle" i've been hoping she'd join. i just have a thing for blue people. mostly guys but chicks are hot if they're blue.

[ghost113]

well she is an x-men but on that whole probation thing.

[Colossal Spoons]

^But she doesn't know that, she ran away before she could hear the verdict.

[squeekness]

And that's not what she said or implied in this issue, anyhow. I knew she was joining the cast, but I didn't think she was coming on as a full fledged member with full access and rights. She sounded like she had already been fully accepted as part of the team.

[ghost113]

oh yeah i forgot she left hey does anyone know what happens to this pulse guy he's kind of interesting, considering he has this somewhat cool power buthe is a total coward.

[squeekness]

I hope Pulse hangs around. Even though he is a tool of Mystique's, I do find him interesting.

[ghost113]

Hopefully he will stay around and if he does maybe he will cut loose and become his own man.

[Generation Lee]

I hope Pulse hangs around. Even though he is a tool of Mystique's, I do find him interesting.


You know so do I there is something more to him I think that even Mystique knows. And thankfully Milligan's Run is over let's PARTY!!!

[ghost113]

that even mystigue knows or doesn't know, It would be cool if she didn't no something about him.

[ProfeZZor X]

- Bobby not seeming like a whiner in this issue.
- The dramafest between Alex and Bobby seemingly over. They even worked together. OMGz0rzzzzzzzzzzz.

Meh. We weathered the storm, my friends. Let us feel the part of bigger, better men, and not weep for our lost Gambit openly. Do it aside, when by yourselves, so as to not be called nancy-boys.

Having Bobby take on a more serious role in Milligan's last book is a big plus. I was actually shocked that Milligan had written him that way. But it's also a plus for Carey for when he starts, as he can use that seriousness to mature Bobby into someone we can all respect and appreciate... Well, at least us Iceman fans anyway.

[Exploding Boy]

hey. question. whats the line that wolverine says about scott "always being in charge." ??? someone had it in their sig and I can't remember how it goes
I think he is reffering to Astonishing when Cyke took out the Sentinel.

[masterj]

the line is 'every now and then, Summers, I remember why you're still in charge' and it's astonishing x-men 8.

[ProfeZZor X]

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/713/713416/marvel-in-september-20060620093457554.jpg


If Rogue is the leader of this team, I wonder why Cable is the more prominent character on this cover...

[ghost113]

I don't know but Everyon might be getting their own solo cover or two person cover just look at the one with Iceman and Mystigue.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

rogue as leader is hella cool. i'm all for female leaders

[ghost113]

Is she able to lead a team with all the stress in her life?

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

gambit WAS her stress and he's gone now

[ghost113]

But not completely in her heart..................















... Hahahahahahha, yeah right she really don't care about that mother F'ker anymore.

[Exploding Boy]

In all that we've seen of her, she looks very troubled to me.

[ghost113]

I know she doesn't know if she wants to be with Gambit or pulse, Somebody call Jerry Springer I wonder if Steve can hold back gambit from whooping Pulse's ass.

[squeekness]

Rogue sucks anyhow. All she cares about is being touched. Remy really loved her and she let him go.

[DarknessOfDeath]

i heard Mystique is Bi. is this true? lol

[ghost113]

Yeah, she and destiny were lovers but she was also in love with Forge, Sabretooth, and azazelor whatever nightcrawlers dad name was.

[squeekness]

They've never actually shown her being with a girl though, right? I don't seem to recall that.

[ghost113]

but all marvel wikipedia and uncanny x-men.net mention that she and destiny were lesbians but since mystigue has beeen with men she is considered to be bi.

[Brainiac 8]

The only negative I see so far is I don't like the art. His art worked for Generation X forever ago, but not on a mainstream X title.

But you never know, it can only get better after Milligan.:up:

[ghost113]

huh but milligan was the writer.

[danielisthor]

If Rogue is the leader of this team, I wonder why Cable is the more prominent character on this cover...


I have yet to read anywhere that Rogue is the team leader. I believe Cable is the leader. I doubt Rogue could keep Sabertooth and Mystique in line.

[Exploding Boy]

If Rogue is the leader there may be some confrontation between the Daughter bossing around the Mother

[ghost113]

very true

[DarknessOfDeath]

MmmMmm... I love X-Men

[Brainiac 8]

huh but milligan was the writer.

I know, I was talking about both people.

[LittleMissVixen]

But not completely in her heart..................









... Hahahahahahha, yeah right she really don't care about that mother F'ker anymore.

I hope she is over him.

If Scott can shack up with the White Queen, then Rogue can certainly move on from Gambit.

[ProfeZZor X]

I have yet to read anywhere that Rogue is the team leader. I believe Cable is the leader. I doubt Rogue could keep Sabertooth and Mystique in line.

Carey said it himself that Rogue would be leading this team. I've read the article somewhere on this forum and on others, but he did confirm that she would be leading the X-Men. If I find it (or someone else), I'll post a link.

[LittleMissVixen]

Rogue led the team before. Hopefully this time she will have a longer run as leader.

[LittleMissVixen]

Oh, Oh....and I am hoping for a scene between Emma and Cable...now that she is sleeping with his daddy.

I am sure she is dying to be step-mommy to a middled aged man.

[Rogue's Hand]

Can you guys post proof of Rogue being the leader?
I'm exteremly excited at the thought.
I hope she takes her power to another level.
Even being able to recall power templates would be crazy:up: :)

[danielisthor]

Carey said it himself that Rogue would be leading this team. I've read the article somewhere on this forum and on others, but he did confirm that she would be leading the X-Men. If I find it (or someone else), I'll post a link.

I would believe he said it, but i also know that there is no way in Hel, that Cable (a true leader), hell the current leader of a country and and island, is going to play second fiddle to some heartbroken emotional wench.

[Joaqenix]

Personally, I've heard the rumor that Rogue will lead the team, but I also remember reading Carey saying that there would be some confusion/differing opinions over who would lead the team. And that it wouldn't be settled for a while. So maybe at the beginning Cable is leading the team and maybe after the first arc Rogue will become the permanent leader?

[ghost113]

Or maybe people will just start throwing in successions on what should be done during the misssions.

[ProfeZZor X]

Looks like I was right on that X-Men #190 cover. Carey recently said in an interview that what Bachelo drew was actually reflecting something that happens in his run. He went on to say that he didn't realize the situation he put the two in, with the rumors floating around. That is with Iceman being rumored to be a closet homosexual, and Mystique being a shapeshifter and possibly lesbian. There's been long discussions on other forums on this topic, but no one seems to have any concrete information on either rumor.

Just the simple fact that both characters are a complete opposite is cause for speculation on their pending relationship, however I can't help but to wonder how it turns out.

Here's the article link:

http://www.livewireworld.net/livewirereview/id34.html

[Nature's Rising]

Bobby's too hot for a woman? Heh.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

would you guys be okay with bobby being gay? i'm sometimes gay, and my first thought was "NO! he cant be gay! he's one of the first x-men" but when i read the issues of x-men with northstar i was like "...i dont hate how he's acting." (what i mean is that he was real friendly with northstar) i'd be okay if he was bi... he IS kinda hot... worst joke ever

[ProfeZZor X]

Bobby's too hot for a woman? Heh.

People assumed that he was gay because of his relationship with Cloud. But what he didn't know was that Cloud was a nebula that could change genders. Iceman obviously broke off the relationship when he found out, but a lot of people still think he was gay because of it... I say "grow up" to those people.

As an example: That's just like getting together with a beautiful girl, and she only wants to perform certain "acts" on you. Then when it comes down to the "full monty", you see this twig and berries staring at you. What do you think any normal red-blooded American would do... Run for the hills. Which is exactly what he did (in the kid-friendly Marvel way of course).... But some people fail to realize that.

[ProfeZZor X]

would you guys be okay with bobby being gay? i'm sometimes gay, and my first thought was "NO! he cant be gay! he's one of the first x-men" but when i read the issues of x-men with northstar i was like "...i dont hate how he's acting." (what i mean is that he was real friendly with northstar) i'd be okay if he was bi... he IS kinda hot... worst joke ever

Bobby didn't realize Northstar was gay until Nurse Annie told him. He was shocked, but was obviously not into Jean-Paul's offer. That was apparent when he immediately started hitting on that (married) blue chick hanging out at the Mansion. Only thing, her "clayface" husband beat the crap out of Iceman, and Jean-Paul resued him.... How embarrasing.

And as long as I've followed Iceman, I guess I'd have to live with him being gay. Although I don't think that will be the case....I'm fine with his sexuality either way, because he's still a powerful character with a lot of potential.

[Nature's Rising]

Mystique is BI I think. I read due to her shapeshifting abilities, she adapted whatever it is from being a woman and a man.

People assumed that he was gay because of his relationship with Cloud. But what he didn't know was that Cloud was a nebula that could change genders. Iceman obviously broke off the relationship when he found out, but a lot of people still think he was gay because of it... I say "grow up" to those people.

As an example: That's just like getting together with a beautiful girl, and she only wants to perform certain "acts" on you. Then when it comes down to the "full monty", you see this twig and berries staring at you. What do you think any normal red-blooded American would do... Run for the hills. Which is exactly what he did (in the kid-friendly Marvel way of course).... But some people fail to realize that.

Okay, this nebula thing, are they like asexual? Or is cloud gay? Or they prefer to be that gender more than the other? My post was meant to be a joke. But anyway, it would kinda be a bummer if Bobby is gay, although her not developing any attraction to Rogue is kinda fishy, heh. The next thing they'll do is hook him up with Northstar, then they'll make Colossus be gay. *sigh*

[ProfeZZor X]

Mystique is BI I think. I read due to her shapeshifting abilities, she adapted whatever it is from being a woman and a man.



Okay, this nebula thing, are they like asexual? Or is cloud gay? Or they prefer to be that gender more than the other? My post was meant to be a joke. But anyway, it would kinda be a bummer if Bobby is gay, although her not developing any attraction to Rogue is kinda fishy, heh. The next thing they'll do is hook him up with Northstar, then they'll make Colossus be gay. *sigh*

Cloud (a being made of star dust/energy manipulator on earth) wasn't sure what "it" was in the begining... Psycholigical and identity issues aparently... And as a result, it kept changing back from female to male. Iceman couldn't handle that kind of situation, so he broke it off. He felt bad about calling it off with Cloud, but he eventually made peace with Cloud before "it" went back into space for good.

[americanguy96]

It would be slightly weird if Iceman turned out to be gay, I mean, after all this time?

[ghost113]

Yeah forty years of comics and thaqt would suck, hopefully he can get some soon, from some female maybe mystigue if he's desperate.

[cardslinger]

Here is a first look for X-Men #188.
http://www.milehighcomics.com/firstlook/071206/xm188cvr.html
We have seen these pages before, but now there is some dialogue.

[squeekness]

Sabretooth is such a bad ass. :p

[ghost113]

Does he have all the bandages because last time we saw him wolvy cut him into ghunks.

[ProfeZZor X]

Pages look good so far...I can't wait!!

[ghost113]

I'm hoping mike careys' writing can possible bring the best ouf of bachalo's art.

[cardslinger]

I can't wait for this arc to start. It's bound to be awsome. Especially compared to Milligans run.

[Brainiac 8]

I can't wait for this arc to start. It's bound to be awsome. Especially compared to Milligans run.


A restaurant menu was better than Milligan's run.:O :o

[ghost113]

yeah it is.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

O man... you guys are mean...

[Brainiac 8]

The truth hurts.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3362&stc=1&d=1152476145

[GreatWhiteWhale]

In a recent interview, Carey said that Bobby's bottom half would actually get destroyed, like it is shown on the cover to (190?).

He further stated that "what you see is what you get, and how he recovers from that situation is, I think, quite interesting".

He also says: "we wanted to play with some of the implications of his powers that have been hinted at over the years but seldom or never used. There's a very surprising moment in #190, which I think adds a new dimension to how Iceman's powers work"

Hmm... could we be seeing a return to the AoA style Bobby? where the Iceslide comes out of his torso?

[ghost113]

That I wouldn't like but i'm happy Iceman is using his potential.

[ProfeZZor X]

In a recent interview, Carey said that Bobby's bottom half would actually get destroyed, like it is shown on the cover to (190?).

He further stated that "what you see is what you get, and how he recovers from that situation is, I think, quite interesting".

He also says: "we wanted to play with some of the implications of his powers that have been hinted at over the years but seldom or never used. There's a very surprising moment in #190, which I think adds a new dimension to how Iceman's powers work"

Hmm... could we be seeing a return to the AoA style Bobby? where the Iceslide comes out of his torso?

HALLE-FREAKIN-LUJAH!!!

Kubert was the first to do the torso -slide back in Legion Quest, and no one has done it in the 616 universe since then.

That I wouldn't like but i'm happy Iceman is using his potential.

So what, would you prefer him to be the same predictable Iceman everyone has known for decades? With an ice coating instead of solid ice, slick non-agressive appearance, and boring ice slide? Carey is trying to update the character, not keep him in the ice age.

I say to Carey: Go all out with Iceman's abilities and personality. Make him a "Johnny Storm", without the humor.

[ghost113]

I was only talking about the his body being connected to the iceslide.

[ProfeZZor X]

I got the scoop on X-Men #188 today... I didn't get a chance to read it, but I will tell you what I scanned through.

WARNING: SPOILERS AHEAD.. Highlight to read:

1) Rogue does the multi-power useage on some soldiers (previews you've seen already).
2) Sabertooth encounters some super powered people and is confronted (one resembles Ghost Rider, the other resembles a female Havok).
3) Beast is repairing a female Sentinel called Karima while talking to Emma
4) Cannonball & Iceman investigate a science facility to get information.
5) Sabertooth makes it to the X-Mansion and is holding a girl hostage. While Rogue, Iceman and Cannonball watch, they manage to rescue her.
6) Sabertooth then asks for safe haven at the mansion.
7) Scene switches to Latin America (Mexico maybe), where a large hole in the ground is made (1/4 mile radius), what looks like a creator.
8) While a news crew is filming, a little girl says in a live interview that the X-Men did it.

That's it... You'll see it in news stands tomorrow anyway.

[Spectre722]

by the way it's been revealed who the two mystery women who keep showing up on the covers are. the one with the aoa dazzler look is lady mastermind and the other is karima sharpandur.

[ProfeZZor X]

by the way it's been revealed who the two mystery women who keep showing up on the covers are. the one with the aoa dazzler look is lady mastermind and the other is karima sharpandur.

I think that was number #3 on my list... But fans will discover that today anyway, since it's already on news stands.

[ghost113]

Who is karima sharpandur?

[masterj]

Who is karima sharpandur?
A sentinel of some kind.

[ghost113]

I'm going to pick this up tomorrow morning so i'lll check it out.

[Specter313]

Who is karima sharpandur?

She's a Prime Sentinel who overcame her programming and became good, last seen as a part of the group in the Genosha Excalibur book.

[Spectre722]

yup and she was also the former lover of neil shaara, aka Thunderbird II.

[Specter313]

yup and she was also the former lover of neil shaara, aka Thunderbird II.

Thunderbird III, actually. Warpath was the second Thunderbird for awhile, in honor of his brother.

[usagicassidy]

So...what did people think? I honestly was more intrigued and into this issue than I was the new Uncanny issue....and that's saying something because Uncanny 475 was awesome! This one issue alone made me fall in love with Rogue again, whom I haven't liked in comic form since the late 90's.

The art didn't bother me either - I loved it. I thought that it could possibly get too 'busy', but it didn't.

Man this was a good issue - REALLY waiting for the next one. When does Cable come into play>?

[Generation Lee]

Danm it I may have to wait until Friday to get this issue. Danm you bank holidays lol.

[ProfeZZor X]

So...what did people think? I honestly was more intrigued and into this issue than I was the new Uncanny issue....and that's saying something because Uncanny 475 was awesome! This one issue alone made me fall in love with Rogue again, whom I haven't liked in comic form since the late 90's.

The art didn't bother me either - I loved it. I thought that it could possibly get too 'busy', but it didn't.

Man this was a good issue - REALLY waiting for the next one. When does Cable come into play>?

I believe the next issue comes out on July29th, if 'm not mistaken. I can't wait either.

[Brainiac 8]

With this issue and the new Uncanny, it looks like the X-Men are set to start rocking again.
Out of the two so far, I think Uncanny was superior. That's not to say this issue wasn't good. You are correct about Rogue though, it's been years since we have seen her confident and able to lead. I'm glad this writer is wanting to move her away from the love sick puppy with no spine that Rogue has been stuck at for so long.

The way she used her powers in the beginning was the way Rogue used to improvise. Needless to say, this was a great issue, a huge step up from the previous ones.

It looks like the X-franchise may be getting the boost it needed with these new writers.:up: :)

[spark627]

im really interested to see who these villians are, their plan and what they can do. good set-up story!!

loving the new rogue

[Xplicit Content]

I haven't gotten the new issue yet...is this Karima character being set up as a member of the team or is she just being used for this arc?

[danielisthor]

Sadly, my LCS did not receive thier shipment of X-Men. I either wait for next week or be a traitor and head to another store for it.

[squeekness]

I was very pleased with this issue, it helped to ease the pain of losing Gambit. I am actually interested in reading this book again. I can't wait to see what's on the agenda of those two people chasing Saby. :)

[cardslinger]

I havn't gotten it yet.:(
I have a subscription and I never know when I'm going to get it. Sometimes I get them early, sometimes I get them late. I got the last issue on the friday before it was saposed to come out in stores, yet I haven't gotten this one yet. It's nice to hear it is good, though.

[squeekness]

I hope you get it soon. I hate waiting for stuff. :)

[ghost113]

Yeah i haven't gotten it either so please don't post any spoilers my friends.

[Specter313]

Preview for #189

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"SUPER NOVAS" Part 2
Mike Carey (ULTIMATE FANTASTIC FOUR) and Chris Bachalo (UNCANNY X-MEN) take over the X-Men, or at least what's left of them! As old threats are still having their effects, new, more deadly threats emerge from the unlikeliest of places. Threats that spell doom for the X-Men. Plus, what could possibly strike terror into the heart of... Sabretooth!? And who are The Children? This is the book you've been waiting for! A perfect starting point for any new reader!

[ghost113]

What's the cover for this issue.

[Specter313]

The very first image.

[ghost113]

then what issue is the one with Iceman and mystigue, 190?

[Specter313]

then what issue is the one with Iceman and mystigue, 190?

Yes.

[ghost113]

Thanks

[chris moore]

I really liked the build up of this issue. Nice to have a team that is a strike force type thing. Its always been obvious for some time that a lot of the x-men dont actually teach (maybe run danger room sessions or power classes - but not academic classes). So putting a bunch of them (though bobby is a math guy despite his often ignored brain - much like ignoring Parker's brain at every opportunity) onto a team to react and investigate is more fun than swanning round the mansion and only doing something when there's an explosion on the grounds (wasnt Astonishing supposed to be acting more like superheroes? Wasnt that Scott's message to them - they go on one monster bashing mission in the city, then spend 13 issues reacting to estate grounds stuff...).

Not sure about Iceman's pointy dome, in fact I know I dont like it - nor do I like the skinny body and black pants - needs more of a uniform or make him more buff to appear more of a threat - but that's just Bachalo's way. Liked very much Cyke's handling of Rogue's actons and the Professor, and it was a good way for the team to come about.

[squeekness]

Yeah, I wasn't so crazy about Iceman's dome either. I hope it doesn't stay that way.

[ProfeZZor X]

Not sure about Iceman's pointy dome, in fact I know I dont like it - nor do I like the skinny body and black pants - needs more of a uniform or make him more buff to appear more of a threat - but that's just Bachalo's way. Liked very much Cyke's handling of Rogue's actons and the Professor, and it was a good way for the team to come about.

Bachelo always has a way of making him look like an elf. But as long as he adds more pointy edges, and mass to his body, I'm alright with that. Give him an agressive look to match his new personality.

[ghost113]

Who knows it did say that Carey was using iceman to his potential so we will probably at least get to see A more improved iceman.
Does anyone have a picture of this iceman design.

[usagicassidy]

I am SO happy with these two teams. I'm really glad that Gambit's out of the mix, same for Bishop. That Nightcrawler and Mystique are in two seperate titles, that Rogue is with Iceman and Cannonball, that Polaris and Havoc are together, ahhh I just love these teams!

[ghost113]

these teams are real power teams and I believe that they are going places.

[usagicassidy]

If only Psylocke was on one of 'em. I couldn't see her on Astonishing - but what I wouldn't give to see her and Pitor talk about being dead. I could see her in either X-Men or Uncanny...just not Exiles. Actually where I could really see her is in New X-Men...you know, as a mentor/protector of the kids, assigned exclusively to them, unlike Rahne and Moonstar who aren't at the mansion anymore, Northstar who's dead, and Cyke and Emma who are too busy dealing with their own problems. This really has nothing to do with X-Men...oops.

[La The Darkman]

I just read the book today and I felt it was just ok. I like the disscussion between Rogue and Scott alot, but the art is just really hard to deal with, I don't hate it but I really don't like it either, it's not often that I complain about art in a book but THIS I just don't like.

[Specter313]

#192

http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NJF5art/XMEN192COVER_400.jpg




X-MEN #192
Written by MIKE CAREY
Pencils and Cover by CHRIS BACHALO
“SUPERNOVAS”
Eat your heart out, Red Baron! The X-Men take to the skies to in a dogfight against their newest foes, the Children! It’s non-stop action and suspense in this penultimate issue to Mike Carey’s first arc on X-Men. Plus, discover the secret the Children are still hiding that will turn the X-Men’s world upside down! Part 5 (of 6)!
32 PGS./Rated A ...$2.99

[Xplicit Content]

Hot cover...Rogue's back!

[Specter313]

I really liked the build up of this issue. Nice to have a team that is a strike force type thing. Its always been obvious for some time that a lot of the x-men dont actually teach (maybe run danger room sessions or power classes - but not academic classes). So putting a bunch of them (though bobby is a math guy despite his often ignored brain - much like ignoring Parker's brain at every opportunity) onto a team to react and investigate is more fun than swanning round the mansion and only doing something when there's an explosion on the grounds (wasnt Astonishing supposed to be acting more like superheroes? Wasnt that Scott's message to them - they go on one monster bashing mission in the city, then spend 13 issues reacting to estate grounds stuff...).

Actually, Astonishing has always been meant to be the "home" team. Staying at the mansion to work with the students and such, and deal with team PR from time to time. This title has always been meant to be a bit of a strike force team, Carey's finally just making that more clear.

[Spectre722]

#192

http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NJF5art/XMEN192COVER_400.jpg




X-MEN #192
Written by MIKE CAREY
Pencils and Cover by CHRIS BACHALO
“SUPERNOVAS”
Eat your heart out, Red Baron! The X-Men take to the skies to in a dogfight against their newest foes, the Children! It’s non-stop action and suspense in this penultimate issue to Mike Carey’s first arc on X-Men. Plus, discover the secret the Children are still hiding that will turn the X-Men’s world upside down! Part 5 (of 6)!
32 PGS./Rated A ...$2.99


Aerial dogfight? You just know Cannonball's gonna get some great moments in this issue.

[Mogwai]

rogue looks great in that pic. also, i can't wait to see what they do w/ mystique.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

i'm about to read the issue, i just looked at the cover and OH MY GOD!!! just like uncanny THE HEADS ARE IN THE TOP LEFT CORNER!!! CLASSIC MARVEL!!! AHHHH!!!

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Ok, i read it and it was... ok. my problem with it was the art. at most points throughout the book it was hard to tell what was going on. at other parts it felt like too much was going on. that is all

[ghost113]

If you can't read a book because of the art then that truly means you can not read comics, And how can someone complain about the art when every time people see the new covers they are in awe.

[ProfeZZor X]

I wonder who the characters are in the background of Rogue... Especially the one to the right of Cyclops.

[masterj]

I wonder who the characters are in the background of Rogue... Especially the one to the right of Cyclops.
If you look carefully it kinda looks like Beast.

[Boba_Fett_123]

It looks to me like, from left to right, Cannonball, Cyclops, Cable (judging by the glowing eye).

[usagicassidy]

If you can't read a book because of the art then that truly means you can not read comics, And how can someone complain about the art when every time people see the new covers they are in awe.

Now that's not quite fair. Some people read for the story alone. I read for the Story and the art. If the art is crap, then I probably won't buy the comic. And by crap. I mean not to my taste. I like almost all art - but when it's hard to decipher what's going on, that's when I have a problem. Personally, I like Bachalo's art, not as much as Mad or Larocca or Lee or even Quietly, but I like it.

Whoever has been doing the art recently in Ultimate X-Men however, I really do not like, so I haven't been picking it up. But in no way do I think that means I 'can't read comics.'

[Generation Lee]

Loved the issue.

Why? You ask simple

Rouge is kick ass she has also seemed to drop that over emphaised Southern accent of hers. We know she's from the South our imaginations can do the rest.

Cyclops echange with Xavier regarding Rouge the man showed back bone what Morrison kinda did during Planet X.

Emma's exchange to Xavier.

Also bobby got called solid gold.

this is the intro stage. the book fells fresh and its already making me forget Milligans God awful run. This to me feels like what the book should have been when they re-loaded that time.

And also no uber Psylocke thank God although this guy may have written her well I just cannot warm to her.

In regards to the Astonishing team just to add to the matter remember there are massive robots following every team and 198 mutants are refugees there. a whole thing called M Day put the spanner in the works for that team. So give Weadon a break he knows what he's doing. Also with this team and an off world team it makes sense Cyc protects that next generation of mutants and X-men.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

If you can't read a book because of the art then that truly means you can not read comics, And how can someone complain about the art when every time people see the new covers they are in awe.i was able to read it, it was just really hard to. and comics are about the art, otherwise, each issue would just be a chapter in a story book.

[ghost113]

I understand everything you guys are saying but I like the art it truly is different and maybe just maybe some people can read them better is because they truly are better readers.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

i'm not knocking the art. it's better than anything i could do. i just wish it was a bit clearer

[Specter313]

If you can't read a book because of the art then that truly means you can not read comics, And how can someone complain about the art when every time people see the new covers they are in awe.

No, when the art sucks, that doesn't mean that you can't read the comic, you just can't understand what all the hell is going on. Bachalo has too much going on most of the time, and doesn't separate what people are mainly supposed to be focusing on from the rest of the surroundings, so you don't always know what the heck you're looking at. And they complain about the art but like the covers because on the covers Bachalo actually takes the time to make the covers look good and doesn't overdo everything all the time.

[ghost113]

they could possibly be the answer I v'e been trying to hear.

[Sean Madrox]

Yeah, Sometime the art is just a huge turn off that you can't match what is actually happening with what is being said. I have the problem with the current penciler on the Wolverine title.

[Brainiac 8]

No, when the art sucks, that doesn't mean that you can't read the comic, you just can't understand what all the hell is going on. Bachalo has too much going on most of the time, and doesn't separate what people are mainly supposed to be focusing on from the rest of the surroundings, so you don't always know what the heck you're looking at. And they complain about the art but like the covers because on the covers Bachalo actually takes the time to make the covers look good and doesn't overdo everything all the time.

Any time Bachalo is on a book, you just have to stare at the comic panels for about twice as long as you do most artists.

[ghost113]

but you also get to see things that you might haven't seen before.

[rjb182]

Read this today. It took me a while to warm up to it, but now I think I'm liking it overall. Strong portrayals of Rogue and Sabretooth-- although Rogue seems to reverse her position on a couple of things from the very last arc-- but still good. And we haven't even seen Mystique yet, who might be my favorite character of the announced lineup.

Count me among those who didn't like the artwork, though. It looks awkward and confusing and doesn't really fit the title, in my opinion.

My favorite line was the Beast's: "If you wanted to take this conversation out into the corridor, Scott, I'd miss you but I'd cope." ;)

Looking forward to seeing where this goes.

[Colossal Spoons]

Aw, somebody actually trying to stick up for Bachalo's "masterpieces".

[usagicassidy]

So I have a question, seeing as how I haven't read X-Men or Uncanny for about 6 months at least. Mystique came to the institue during the horribly-bizzare Love Triangle...has she been just chillin at the mansion since then? I haven't seen her and was confused to hear that she was still there. Also, have those bad guys that have been tracking Sabertooth been on his tail for long? Who are they?

[La The Darkman]

Any time Bachalo is on a book, you just have to stare at the comic panels for about twice as long as you do most artists.

Exactly, It's one thing if you feel a certian art style doesn't match the tone of a story, but the art in this book makes it difficult to enjoy because you're so busying wondering what's what. :down

[ProfeZZor X]

Bachelo is just misunderstood. I noticed that he's very detail oriented. Like the number of the issue he does incorporated in his artwork. Or the Kirby crackle imbedded in Sabertooth's garments. Little stuff like that is what most people miss out on. And not to defend him or anything, because I didn't like his work for many years. But the fact that he has a unique style is a lot more refreshing than "what's his face"... oh yeah, Larocca, on previous issues, make reading X-Men a little more refreshing.

[Brainiac 8]

Read this today. It took me a while to warm up to it, but now I think I'm liking it overall. Strong portrayals of Rogue and Sabretooth-- although Rogue seems to reverse her position on a couple of things from the very last arc-- but still good. And we haven't even seen Mystique yet, who might be my favorite character of the announced lineup.

Count me among those who didn't like the artwork, though. It looks awkward and confusing and doesn't really fit the title, in my opinion.

My favorite line was the Beast's: "If you wanted to take this conversation out into the corridor, Scott, I'd miss you but I'd cope." ;)

Looking forward to seeing where this goes.


I am not a huge fan of the art, I personally love how the story started, a huge step us from *shudder* Milligan. The dialogue is crisp and superb, your quote from Beast being a perfect example.

Yes some of the characters are acting much different than they did in the last story, but that's because they are now being written like they should. Milligan didn't write any of their personalities correctly, example being Gambit suddently going to apocalypse. That was not within his character, but because Milligan said so, it happened. Rogue has never been that angsty whiney like that, now she is back to her true personality. She has always been an unpredictable loose cannon. That is why she was a leader of one of the teams at one point, and guess what she is being recognized as a leader again.

Kudos to the new creative team. If the writing can stay this good, I can live with Bachalo's art.:up: :)

[ghost113]

What has happened with this pulse character anybody know?

[Joaqenix]

I have a feeling Pulse is driving off into the sunset somewhere with Annie and Carter Ghazikanian (or whatever)...

Great start to an arc here. I'm way more excited to read the next issue than I have been about one of the main X-books in the past year practically. I like how hes slowly assembling the team together, and they seem to actually have a purpose. Its not like he just threw them all together in one page and we moved on. This is more realistic in my opinion.

Really excited to see how he uses Cannonball, Iceman, and Rogue mainly. Those three have been under/poorlydeveloped for quite some time now.

[Brainiac 8]

What has happened with this pulse character anybody know?

I hope he's dead. Crushed by something.:o

[Generation Lee]

He can just stay in the background and pop up when his skills are needed. Remember different writer different take therefore he doesn't have to chase after Rouge 24/7.

[X_fan08]

I have a feeling Pulse is driving off into the sunset somewhere with Annie and Carter Ghazikanian (or whatever)...

Great start to an arc here. I'm way more excited to read the next issue than I have been about one of the main X-books in the past year practically. I like how hes slowly assembling the team together, and they seem to actually have a purpose. Its not like he just threw them all together in one page and we moved on. This is more realistic in my opinion.

Really excited to see how he uses Cannonball, Iceman, and Rogue mainly. Those three have been under/poorlydeveloped for quite some time now.

what happened to carter and anne

[MyPokerShirt]

okaaaaaaaaaay then. hi! im new on the x-men boards. i read x-men on and off but yeah, quite honestly, wtf did they do to xavier?? i understand the vulcan story, but havnt read anything too recent til x-men 188 and is noone mad about what theyve done to xaviers character? i feel so bad for him. lets face it, the vulcan story (as far as i can tell) was a retcon right? so the original xavier i thought i knew fairly well wouldnt have gotten into a situation like this. or be spoken to by cyclops like that. sigh

on the spider-man boards they scream about bad changes. i view this as a bad change. i want classic xavier leading x-men stuff!

[Specter313]

okaaaaaaaaaay then. hi! im new on the x-men boards. i read x-men on and off but yeah, quite honestly, wtf did they do to xavier?? i understand the vulcan story, but havnt read anything too recent til x-men 188 and is noone mad about what theyve done to xaviers character? i feel so bad for him. lets face it, the vulcan story (as far as i can tell) was a retcon right? so the original xavier i thought i knew fairly well wouldnt have gotten into a situation like this. or be spoken to by cyclops like that. sigh

on the spider-man boards they scream about bad changes. i view this as a bad change. i want classic xavier leading x-men stuff!

He got Scott's youngest brother killed and then erased everyone's memory of him. Xavier deserved everything he got and more.

[MyPokerShirt]

^lmao, i KNOW that, but it was the last writer (or whoever) that turned him in that direction
it sounds out of character to me. noone mad the writers did that? i liked xavier!

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

no, its pretty in character. he started lying WAY back in the day with the morph thing. i'm right, right?

[Specter313]

^lmao, i KNOW that, but it was the last writer (or whoever) that turned him in that direction
it sounds out of character to me. noone mad the writers did that? i liked xavier!

Xavier's been lying and acting like that for DECADES. The Xavier Protocols, having Changeling take his place to die without telling anyone, influencing the minds of numerous people to fit his needs, employing other mutants for dangerous and deadly missions(Sage, Mystique, Prudence), imprisoning Danger, etc.

[Brainiac 8]

Xavier's been lying and acting like that for DECADES. The Xavier Protocols, having Changeling take his place to die without telling anyone, influencing the minds of numerous people to fit his needs, employing other mutants for dangerous and deadly missions(Sage, Mystique, Prudence), imprisoning Danger, etc.

Not to forget him creating Onslaught and taking out half the heroes in the Marvel Universe. Xavier has many skelitons in his closet. Brubacker said that was the point of the new story in Uncanny, it was the redemption of Xavier. I hope he works to build the trust between him and the X-Men again.:up:

[ProfeZZor X]

Xavier's been lying and acting like that for DECADES. The Xavier Protocols, having Changeling take his place to die without telling anyone, influencing the minds of numerous people to fit his needs, employing other mutants for dangerous and deadly missions(Sage, Mystique, Prudence), imprisoning Danger, etc.

I missed out on the whole Vulcan story. Which books can I pick up to catch up on that? Also, I know that "mutant energy field" from House of M had something to do with him coming back, but whatever became of that?

[Colossal Spoons]

^ X-Men: Deadly Genesis :up:

[Prettyboy]

So I have a question, seeing as how I haven't read X-Men or Uncanny for about 6 months at least. Mystique came to the institue during the horribly-bizzare Love Triangle...has she been just chillin at the mansion since then?

Yes, trying to play match maker with Rogue and Pulse


I haven't seen her and was confused to hear that she was still there. Also, have those bad guys that have been tracking Sabertooth been on his tail for long? Who are they?
That story is still in developement. Northstar and Aurora???



what happened to carter and anne

They rode off into the sunset, obviously a school with the elite fighting team still proved to be too dangerous for her lil angel, every school has problems, gosh!


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I'm not a registered user, I'm a functioning user.

"Shouldn't we be counting the days until you-know-who returns from the white-hot you-know-what?" Psylocke Uncanny X-Men 460

[ProfeZZor X]

They rode off into the sunset, obviously a school with the elite fighting team still proved to be too dangerous for her lil angel, every school has problems, gosh!

... As opposed to gangs, guns, and drugs at other schools aren't?... Plus, didn't her "Little Angel" have a mutation himself?

[ghost113]

he was a very highly developed tekekinetic, carter was cool but he mom's was annoying. I just read the first carey issue yesterday it was quite good and bachalos are is kind of funny looking but i like it.

[ProfeZZor X]

he was a very highly developed tekekinetic, carter was cool but he mom's was annoying. I just read the first carey issue yesterday it was quite good and bachalos are is kind of funny looking but i like it.

I wasn't a Bachelo fan in the begining, simly because his work is a little hard to follow. But after a few readings of Carey's #188, Bachelo's just detail oriented.... Something I can grow to appreciate, because compared to Larocca, his work is far more superior. Plus, Bachelo always adds in something that pays homage to someone or something (Kirby, Stan Lee, or movie reference) in his artwork.

[Prettyboy]

... As opposed to gangs, guns, and drugs at other schools aren't?... Plus, didn't her "Little Angel" have a mutation himself?

Exactly, I think there could've been a better write off for them other then "It's too dangerous here"
And that little bastard playing match maker didn't help me like him either...

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I'm not a registered user, I'm a functioning user.
"Shouldn't we be counting the days until you-know-who returns from the white-hot you-know-what?" Psylocke Uncanny X-Men 460

[Colossal Spoons]

And once again, who the hell was Carter talking to in the backseat of that car? I guess it took so long for Marvel to address the Xorneto cliffhanger, maybe we'll get that question answered in 2015. :mad:

[ghost113]

I had an idea where after the Uncanny team comes home, cyclops wants to talk to ALex in the other room privately to tell him carter is back, Havok believing he is with his mother bursts in ready to greet but before cyclops could tell him that annie was killed and Carter didn't know what to do so he ran to the Xavier institute. Alex would then adopt carter making him a summers.

[Colossal Spoons]

Lorna wouldn't like that....at all.

[ghost113]

if he adopted carter?

[Colossal Spoons]

If he had anything to do with anything that reminded her of Annie.

[ghost113]

yeah but she wouldn't let him adopt a orphaned child that he cares for then thats evil.

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, she's not sane remember lol.

[ghost113]

but she has been sane the last few issues.

[Prettyboy]

but she has been sane the last few issues.

Yea, Brubaker said she will be sane under his pen.


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I'm not a registered user, I'm a functioning user.
"Shouldn't we be counting the days until you-know-who returns from the white-hot you-know-what?" Psylocke Uncanny X-Men 460

[Colossal Spoons]

Sane or not, I don't know many women that would be ok with Alex adopting Annie's son given the history of the Lorna/Alex/Bobby/Annie love rectangle.

[usagicassidy]

I wasn't a Bachelo fan in the begining, simly because his work is a little hard to follow. But after a few readings of Carey's #188, Bachelo's just detail oriented.... Something I can grow to appreciate, because compared to Larocca, his work is far more superior. Plus, Bachelo always adds in something that pays homage to someone or something (Kirby, Stan Lee, or movie reference) in his artwork.


Do you really think Larocca's art is bad? Honestly, I've seen some pretty amazing artwork from Sal, it just seems that the inks and printing have been really bad in the last dozen issues. I can't blame Marvel, they must've not wanted to spend money making a book look good which they knew was horrible.

[Colossal Spoons]

Well they must really not care about this title if they punished it with Bachalo.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

lol

[ghost113]

I still think carter would have been a good character, he was actually a very powerful telekintic.

[El Bastardo]

Regarding Bachalo...

I almost didn't pick the latest issue up, just because of its cover, and I remember how a whole bunch of people (including myself) reacted when the cover first got released as an image... But the week it came out was a small week for me, and I was dropping Wolverine: Origin anyway (ugh, Dillon sucks), so I picked it up.

I've always been a flip regarding Bachalo. When his work looks clean (read: probably unrushed, with decent inkers and colorists), I'm a fan. When it's all over the place, a veritable Where's Waldo?, I can't stand it, and I'd just as soon drop the literal book without proceeding. I don't think his work is ugly, by any means. It's always beautiful, but sometimes it's just a headache.

His art in this latest issue was pretty nice. It wasn't hard to follow at all, so maybe this'll work out pretty well. Let's just hope nothing was rushed, and everything'll be fine.

Carey's writing was great, too. I'm not sure whether or not I liked Uncanny or this one more.

[usagicassidy]

Carey's writing was great, too. I'm not sure whether or not I liked Uncanny or this one more.

I feel the same. While everyone seems to be praising Ed's first issue, I think I might have found this one a more enjoyable read.

[ghost113]

Why do you just pick up both books? Maybe I like Bachalo's art because I fell in love with it during his Generation X run.

[usagicassidy]

Pick up both books? Who are you talking to?

Me confused.

[ghost113]

It just seemed like you didn't know what book to buy?

[cardslinger]

I JUST got X-Men #188 in the mail. I have a subscription, so I never know when I'm going to get them. What surprised me though, is that I got 2 comics. #189 came at the same time.:eek::) I've been complaining about how I hadn't gotten 188 yet, and now I got 189 too. I sapose the lateness of the one is canceled out by the earlyness of the other. Anyways, I think this book was a breath of fresh air. The characters actualy feel like themselves now. Rogue is Rogue again. I like that they mentioned Gambit. He hasn't simply been forgotten. I like the art in this book too. There are only a couple places where it is a little difficult to tell what exactly is going on, but it was beautiful nontheless.

[ProfeZZor X]

Do you really think Larocca's art is bad? Honestly, I've seen some pretty amazing artwork from Sal, it just seems that the inks and printing have been really bad in the last dozen issues. I can't blame Marvel, they must've not wanted to spend money making a book look good which they knew was horrible.

If you compare Larocca's work to Ultimate X-Men, yeah... I never understood why Ultimate X-Men always had better artists than the regular title. And they just keep getting better. If I had to choose and artist for the current X-Men, it would be either Kubert brother, Vaughn, or even Romita Jr. (he drew my favorite Iceman to date).

Larocca's work seems like something out of high school. Very mediocre and un-dynamic. Something that has been lost in comics over the years. With the exception of a few cases.

[ProfeZZor X]

I JUST got X-Men #188 in the mail. I have a subscription, so I never know when I'm going to get them. What surprised me though, is that I got 2 comics. #189 came at the same time.:eek::) I've been complaining about how I hadn't gotten 188 yet, and now I got 189 too. I sapose the lateness of the one is canceled out by the earlyness of the other. Anyways, I think this book was a breath of fresh air. The characters actualy feel like themselves now. Rogue is Rogue again. I like that they mentioned Gambit. He hasn't simply been forgotten. I like the art in this book too. There are only a couple places where it is a little difficult to tell what exactly is going on, but it was beautiful nontheless.

Can you post (pictures) some of the highlights from #189? Or at least give us a detailed summary of that issue.

[Colossal Spoons]

When's is upposed to come out?

[ProfeZZor X]

When's is upposed to come out?

This Wednesday.... Guess I could get off my ass and just go to my local comic shop and look at their preview copy today.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Im in the middle of watching Tas version of X-Men... Beyond Good & Evil LOL... Jean and Scott get married but are kidnapped by Sinsister's slaves. lol ON their HONEYMOON!! damn it...

[spark627]

what did you guys think of issue 189?

i really liked it, im definetly intrigued with the story. but one thing bothered me, it was too jam packed. in one issue shield, northstar, aurora, the children, the x-men, the shi'ar, val cooper all appeared. a bit much for me. 4 stars outta 5 though!

[Charlie No-One]

Can't find the latest issue. Stupid shop didn't have it.

[ghost113]

this is issue was pretty good, what is up northstar though?

[chris moore]

Yeah - what was the Shiar thing about? It happens right after Cannonball says about giving Chuck the time to get away so I'd assume its an interlude about the Uncanny arc (why?). Who are these freaky people? Seem like another Neo attempt to me, and they were poorly done and quickly forgotten. Why does the woman in black seem to have any power and ability she wants? Pulling singularities into existance to power the twins, re-writing DNA a bit, entering computer systems with her mind? I hate when Villains are so enigmatic that their powers dont even revolve around a single concept and are used as Mcguffin's to further the plots when no logical and flowing tool is available.

Like the idea of this new team, dont like the set up of the threat. Also didnt see the relevance of Val coming to speak to Charles - she knows who is in charge of the X-Men now. Heck she has been dealing with Scott as leader and headmaster since way before the O.N.E came along. Seemed just like an excuse to panel mystique before the arc gets three issues in with no sign of her.

[La The Darkman]

I liked the last issue quite a bit more than I did the first issue. The art seemed quite a bit better to me for some reason, I still don't care for it but it was much easier on the eyes than the last issue.

[ProfeZZor X]

So let me get this straight:

1) Cyber-chick of the Children can enterface with virtually anything, upload her mind into another living person, can alter DNA, create a cloaking ability, and summon a blackhole?... WOW. You have Emma and Sage rolled up in one right there.

2) What could Cyber-chick could have possibly done to Northstar and Aurora's DNA that seemed different when they helpd hands? From what it looked like, they created a flamable burst, rather than blinding light. Did anyone catch that, or am I just behind in the times?

2A) How the hell could they explode Bobby from the inside out? Have they always been able to do that, or am I missing something...And after 20 minutes of studying Bachalo's detailed work, it didn't appear that his body was not blown in half as it appears in ice form on the cover of #190. With any luck, Bachalo will show him changing from human to ice form to save himself. I was HIGHLY pissed off during the Draco, when he was struck by that exploding arrow in human form, and the next thing you know, he's an ice head.... What the hell?

*Note to Bachalo* - The next time I see Bobby, I don't want to see him blown in half in his ice form when I pick up #190. Please show some sort of transformation... (Carey) Or at least provide an explanation.

3) Will somebody loose that damn "cat" version of Beast. His lips looks like one of the characters from the Fat Albert cartoon.

[ProfeZZor X]

I liked the last issue quite a bit more than I did the first issue. The art seemed quite a bit better to me for some reason, I still don't care for it but it was much easier on the eyes than the last issue.

Not that I care about Wolverine, but did they have a stand-in artist for Bachalo on that page? He and Rogue looked very weird in the first few panels. Only at the end when he whipped out his claw did it look like Bachalo's work.

[spark627]

im not really sure what serafina did, but she amplified the twins powers using the sun. im confused about the shi'ar... is it part of this story or part of the uncanny story??

what i like about carey is that he seems to get the characters. he makes them all shine.

one thing that is bothering me is that there is too much going on. in this issue alone we have the x-men, wolverine, emma, the children, s.h.i.e.l.d., the shi'ar, karima, lady mastermind, beast, northstar, aurora and val... its a lot... i hope it all comes together

[Prettyboy]

It happens right after Cannonball says about giving Chuck the time to get away so I'd assume its an interlude about the Uncanny arc (why?).

Like the idea of this new team, dont like the set up of the threat. Also didnt see the relevance of Val coming to speak to Charles - she knows who is in charge of the X-Men now. Heck she has been dealing with Scott as leader and headmaster since way before the O.N.E came along. Seemed just like an excuse to panel mystique before the arc gets three issues in with no sign of her.

I kinda liked the linking between the two books. Lord knows I'm at my ends with Marvel's continuity issue and distorted time of events. So it's good to see something actually taking place in accordance to time with the other book.

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"Shouldn't we be counting the days until you-know-who returns from the white-hot you-know-what?" Psylocke Uncanny X-Men 460

[ProfeZZor X]

im not really sure what serafina did, but she amplified the twins powers using the sun. im confused about the shi'ar... is it part of this story or part of the uncanny story??

what i like about carey is that he seems to get the characters. he makes them all shine.

one thing that is bothering me is that there is too much going on. in this issue alone we have the x-men, wolverine, emma, the children, s.h.i.e.l.d., the shi'ar, karima, lady mastermind, beast, northstar, aurora and val... its a lot... i hope it all comes together

As most of you know, subplots from one story occassionaly tend to travel over into another entirely different story arc. Maybe this is Carey's way of introducing another upcoming story that maybe be in his next plot.

Or, he's incorporating the lasting mutant energies of what was left over after House of M... Besides, the Shi'ar have always been associated with the Phoenix force. So maybe Carey might be trying to find a creative way to bring back Jean. You never know... But either way, he's keeping all of us fans on the edge of our seats.

[ProfeZZor X]

I kinda liked the linking between the two books. Lord knows I'm at my ends with Marvel's continuity issue and distorted time of events. So it's good to see something actually taking place in accordance to time with the other book.

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"Shouldn't we be counting the days until you-know-who returns from the white-hot you-know-what?" Psylocke Uncanny X-Men 460

So long as they don't bring Iceman back in the next issue already iced up and blown in half. That event from "The Draco" (when he was instantly blown into just an ice head, after his human body exploded) still left a bad taste in my mouth.

[The Cajun]

Picked up 189 today and realized there are new teams now. Who are the new teams on the other books? Have Marvel finally decided to stop putting Wolverine in every damn comic lol?

[gothicFLAVOURS]

Who are the new teams on the other books?
On Uncanny, you have Polaris, Havok, Marvel Girl, Nightcrawler, Darwin, Warpath and Professor X and on Astonishing the team is the same it was: Cyclops, Shadowcat, Colossus, Emma Frost, Beast and Wolverine.

I loved this last issue. It was full of interesting twists and I love having the Beaubier twins back. I think that purple wave with the Shi'ar had something to do with the Annihilation wave and the new miniseries coming.

[The Cajun]

Dude the cover of 190# has two people swapping spit. Is that there to look cool or is this actually a part of the story?:confused:

[ProfeZZor X]

Dude the cover of 190# has two people swapping spit. Is that there to look cool or is this actually a part of the story?:confused:

Carey said it was actually a part of the storyline, and that both Iceman and Mystique would hook up.

This is kind of evident, because Mystique was introduced to the team, and Bobby was blown up from the inside at the end of #189 (on news stands right now).

[usagicassidy]

Wow! I'm really confused, but I'm really loving it. I hope it starts to piece together and that we get more history on this new bad guys.

[Generation Lee]

OK Cyber girl could alter the twins DNA maybe by I don't know what maybe interface with a DNA altering machine?! the whole black hole thing yes too uber powered but look at all the heros like this. For all we no this will be explained it is 6 parts after all.

Have to say I really enjoyed the issue especially Iceman morphing his hand to a spike nice. Rouge I just love what a bad ass.

[ghost113]

this book is good did someone mention the way Beast lookeed this issue what the hell, he looked pretty good last issue.

[spark627]

beast fugly, but ill take a good story over pretty beast anyday.... as long as rogue stays beau

[Generation Lee]

OK did they tone down the Auora personality its just something cyber chick said.

[spark627]

are you asking or telling?

[Colossal Spoons]

OK Cyber girl could alter the twins DNA maybe by I don't know what maybe interface with a DNA altering machine?! the whole black hole thing yes too uber powered but look at all the heros like this. For all we no this will be explained it is 6 parts after all.

Have to say I really enjoyed the issue especially Iceman morphing his hand to a spike nice. Rouge I just love what a bad ass.

I agree, these people are ridiculously powerful. I don't see why killing Sabertooth was that hard.

[ghost113]

OK did they tone down the Auora personality its just something cyber chick said.


this confused the hell out of me.

[ProfeZZor X]

I agree, these people are ridiculously powerful. I don't see why killing Sabertooth was that hard.

Especially when "Fuego" could have torched him in the woods in the last issue.

[OutcryX]

What is Rogue's power-set for this arc? and is Iceman being shown as someone who can control his powers? Mystique and Sabretooth as X-Men...I can buy it...when they were both members of X-Factor at the same time.....it rocked! Hard! One of my favorite arcs.....where is Trevor...Destiny's grandchild

[ghost113]

Maybe he is of importance to them and they need him for something.

[OutcryX]

Also...are Northstar and Aurora joining the team? Alpha Flight is dead so they gotta go somewhere....I thought that there would be some surprise members on this team too

[ghost113]

No they don't join the team but Karima and Lady mastermind might join.

[Colossal Spoons]

Karima would add some serious firepower.

Especially when "Fuego" could have torched him in the woods in the last issue.

Being drowned ain't no party either. I'm curious as to what these people are, if they're not mutants or humans.

[Specter313]

2A) How the hell could they explode Bobby from the inside out? Have they always been able to do that, or am I missing something...And after 20 minutes of studying Bachalo's detailed work, it didn't appear that his body was not blown in half as it appears in ice form on the cover of #190. With any luck, Bachalo will show him changing from human to ice form to save himself. I was HIGHLY pissed off during the Draco, when he was struck by that exploding arrow in human form, and the next thing you know, he's an ice head.... What the hell?

I don't know where you're getting that he was blown up from the inside out from. It looks more like the flash that Aurora and Northstar share was just amplified to give some kind of heat energy blast. Nothing having to do with Drake's insides.

[Specter313]

Chris Bachalo is the new artist of The X-Men, but he's no stranger to drawing mutants! Bachalo's previous work could be seen in the pages of Uncanny X-Men, but he said he's getting the chance to draw Mystique for the first time here, and really enjoying the experience. But are X fans pleased with his work? Let us know after you read his thoughts about working on this series.


THE PULSE: Why the move from X-Men to Uncanny X-Men? What does working on that series give you that the other one didn't?

CHRIS BACHALO: Dunno how to answer that question with other than you'd have to talk to Mike Marts. Literally, one day I received a call from Mike--and Mike isn't a phone guy, he's an e-mail guy, so when he calls it must be important-- in which he notified me that he had bad news. I thought for sure I was finished, victim of a creative shuffle, but I wasn't the one being shuffled. Turned out is was Chris. Still bad news but different bad news. Funny part about the conversation was that I thought that I was going to remain on Uncanny and work with Ed Brubaker. That went on for about a month until I started hearing rumors that I was on XMEN with Mike Carey. I had to touch base with Mike Marts to learn that I had been moved over to the adjective-less title. I wasn't sure of what to make of the move at first and figured I'd wait and see. I knew virtually nothing about Carey's work other than he was highly regarded over on Lucifer and the new line up I'd be working with looked promising. Today I'm feeling pretty good about the move. Carey's work has been great and the new team is fantastic.



THE PULSE: When you began working on this, X3 was just a few months from coming out, how, if at all, did that influence/affect the way you render these characters?

BACHALO: Really, the main influences in regards to how I render the characters has more to do with how they are written and the time I actually spend with them. Thus far, I've spent a lot of time with Sabretooth and Rogue and I'm happy to say I've a terrific relationship with them both and feel pretty good about how they are turning out and evolving visually. Much credit has to go to Mike Carey who, God Bless him, has the same take on the characters that I do. He's turned Rogue into a rough and tough, decisive ***** like she should be. And she happens to have a sense of humor that cracks me up. Sabretooth is unpredictable, wild eyed and crazy as usual but MC has added a sense of purpose and cunning that we haven't seen from his character. And he gets the crap beat of him. Great stuff.


THE PULSE: You've done a lot of work with the X-Men and related family of titles, what is it about this universe you feel the most comfortable in?

BACHALO: I enjoy the cast of characters and that fact that the XMEN is more a Bladerunner, Matrix, Underworld sci-fi book than a superhero title like Avengers. I'm having the best time with the covers. I find I can dig out cool art by Charest and Giger for this series as inspiration or dig through work by Otomo or Shirow and it all feels appropriate for the title. In issue 188 Hank is putting back together a character-- who shall remain nameless---and I couldn't help but surf around for cool images on the internet to put together a great visual for that page. Another reason I like working with MC thus far is that every scene has potential for great visuals. I'm finding that laying out the pages is coming pretty easy as there is a lot of material to work with that, I find, is the mark of a terrific writer.


THE PULSE: In your Wonder Con panel, you mentioned that you get to work directly with the colorists now, how does that add to the quality of the final product?

BACHALO: Hopefully, the work will be better or it'll look more like I intended it to when I designed the lay outs. Ideally, I'd like to do all the coloring but there are not enough hours in the day and i'd need to be on a drip of Starbucks Doubleshots to turn in the required hours. I gave it a shot on Captain America but the grind became mind numbing. I haven't given up on the idea. We'll see. I'm an illustrator and I've always been a little uncomfortable with others coloring or finishing my business. It never feels quite right. It's like having sex right up to the climax and having some one jump in and wrap up. I want to be there from start to finish. Coloring has an incredible impact on the art as well. Use the wrong palette or strike out on the rendering or source of light and the intended mood can be wrecked.


THE PULSE: What's that process like? Do the colored pages go to you first instead of the editor for corrections?

BACHALO: Yes.


THE PULSE: What's that process like? Do the colored pages go to you first instead of the editor for corrections?

BACHALO: Colored pages are e-mailed by Antonio at Studio F for all of us to see. We send Antonio any necessary comments, he make the adjusts and he turns them in. I asked Mike Marts if I could go in and make any necessary additions to the art before it goes to press and he gave me the go ahead so commencing with 188 I've had the opportunity to go in and make last minute additions to the art. Kind of like adding more frosting to the cake.


THE PULSE: What's that like? If you see something you think isn't colored right, how do you get it corrected? How tough is it to be ... diplomatic in a situation like that?

BACHALO: The editing process happens at every level of the creative process and is to be expected. Just this week I turned in colors for the 189 cover and MM didn't think that it worked and asked me to take another shot. I often get to see outlines of the script from Mike Carey that are full of comments from both Mikes going over plot points. The only person that doesn't seem to get any editing is Townsend. I did throw him a correction bone last week. Don't want him to get too comfortable.


THE PULSE: You also mentioned to me that you color your own covers and pin-ups. How did you learn to color comics? What programs do you use?

BACHALO: I learned about color theory and illustration in school --I've a BFA in Illustration from CSU Long Beach--and learned about coloring comics from the Aron and Christian of Liquid fame and Alex over at Badass who colored Steampunk for me. I exclusively use photoshop and photography in my color work. The photography I mainly use for textures and BG's. On the cover of Issue 190-- with Mystique and Iceman --I used a photograph that I took of coarse tree bark and used it for Icemans' icy texture.


THE PULSE: What are you looking forward to accomplishing with your run on the series?

BACHALO: Longevity. I've been bouncing around from mini series and story arcs for the last few years and it would be nice great to stay put and have a nice, long run on a title. I find that I grow better as an artist as I get to know the characters and on mini series or short arcs it's frustrating knowing that, just as I'm getting comfortable, it's time to close the doors and move somewhere else. I think XMEN is a perfect place for me right now and I want to make an impression with sustained, high quality work.



THE PULSE: What's coming up in your first arc?

BACHALO: The first arc will be six issues in which we establish the new line up, a new leader and a new threat to the team. I enjoy how MC is slowly establishing the new bad guys. There isn't a last page splash with a Bring on the Guys moment but rather a slow introduction of the villains as they go about their business, which, as has it happens, isn't clear from the start. We're not really sure what they are up to. Are they after money, fame, revenge, destruction of the earth. Annihilation of all mutants? We'll have to wait and see.



THE PULSE: Who are the people you're working with on this?

BACHALO: Antonio over at Studio F is handling the colors with Townsend and Mendoza on inks. An excellent group of guys. I'm thrilled to be working with them. Tim and I go way back to the first go 'round on Uncanny. He's a great talent and I'm never worried about my work when I turn it over to him. Often I'll send out pencils that I feel should be burned and when the inked original shows up it looks brand new, shiny and gorgeous. It's like its a miracle. Jaime and I have only been working together, maybe, a year. I had him over to my house 8-9 years ago and he was in love and moving to Texas and I thought I'd never see him again. When I was looking for a new inker --as Tim was having a baby and taking on design work --I ran across him and was impressed by the quality of his line and how much he had improved. He's out of the Thibert hackshack school and is a wonderful talent. He and Tim can ink better that I ever could.


THE PULSE: Your team is Rogue, Iceman, Mystique, Cable, and Cannonball. How do you feel working on these characters? Which ones are you drawing for the first time?

BACHALO: I'm drawing Mystique and Cable for the first time. Cable makes his debut in 190, so I've virtually no opinion in regards to him at the moment as I've only spent time with him on the covers. Mystique is a terrific character. Mike let me give her the retro look by bringing back a slightly modified version of her costume from Avengers Annual 10 with the cool little skulls around her waist. I like that she's sexy, dangerous and unpredictable. MC is cooking up a terrific subplot between her and Rogue as well. You'll like it.


THE PULSE: Who are the Children of the Vault that are plaguing the X-Men in these pages?

BACHALO: The Children of the Vault are a new group of adversaries for our X-Men clan. They're the mysterious five as I like to call them as their powers, origins and motives are not clearly defined until late in the arc. Not too mention that they're nasty bunch as they play no favorites in pursuit of their objective.



THE PULSE: What other projects are you working on?

BACHALO: I've been working on Stoneheart and the Truth Fairy for about five years now for Richard Starkings over at Comicraft. It's written by Joe Kelly and I'm happy to say is almost done. It's great. Joe is this amazing writer that can spit out ideas on a dime. I have a hard time putting all of them on the page. I apologize to him about this. He tells me not to sweat it, but I still do. Richard is the most patient man on earth. I'm sure he must hate me by now, but he has yet to tip his hand. I also work on various odds and ends. The new X-MEN Gameboy has my work in it. I've done a few dozen cards for Upper Deck and I am always working on various independent publisher covers.

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[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Just Read Issue 189 (i Know, Mad Late) And I Must Say, 200% Times Better In Art And Writing! You Go, Bachalo!! (no... I Don't Mean For Him To Go, I Mean He's Doing A Fantastic Job And To Continue Doing So.) Poor Bobby, I Hope He's Fine. I'm Also Glad To See That Uncanny And X-men Have Continuity Between Them. And I Do Miss Northstar A Bit. Here's Hoping My Favorite Gay X-man Joins The Team And Not Alpha Flight Because I Wouldn't Touch That Book Even If A Gunman Had A Gun In My Brother's Face. When's The Next Issue Coming Out?

[ProfeZZor X]

I don't know where you're getting that he was blown up from the inside out from. It looks more like the flash that Aurora and Northstar share was just amplified to give some kind of heat energy blast. Nothing having to do with Drake's insides.

If you look at the picture closely, it appears that Bobby's chest is bursting from the inside out. Maybe it's the way Bachalo drew the panel, but no matter what angle you look at it (even upside down), it looks like Bobby's chest is exploding from within.

Besides, how else would you explain the upcoming cover of #190? Something powerful had to have happened to him in order for him to be blown in half like that.

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Aug06/XMEM190COVER_400.jpg

But as you can see, he quickly recovers, and is back in action an issue or two later. Still though, for such a powerful character, he still seems like a background character, by the way he's squatting by Cable's side (like an obedient dog).

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/713/713416/marvel-in-september-20060620093457554.jpg

[ProfeZZor X]

Karima would add some serious firepower.
Being drowned ain't no party either. I'm curious as to what these people are, if they're not mutants or humans.

In issue #188, there was a mention that the medical facility the X-Men raided was performing experiments on mutants and humans. And that they (the scientists there) extracted mutant DNA and combined it with a virus. They then injected it into humans to see if "mutations" can be contracted like a viral disease.

My guess is that the "Children" are an aborition of these experiments, and for some reason, these five humans (originally) survived the process. Still, with the way they operate, they'd make great Weapon X operatives, and could easily "off" Wolverine.

BTW - What day does #190 come out?

[Specter313]

If you look at the picture closely, it appears that Bobby's chest is bursting from the inside out. Maybe it's the way Bachalo drew the panel, but no matter what angle you look at it (even upside down), it looks like Bobby's chest is exploding from within.

Besides, how else would you explain the upcoming cover of #190? Something powerful had to have happened to him in order for him to be blown in half like that.

But as you can see, he quickly recovers, and is back in action an issue or two later. Still though, for such a powerful character, he still seems like a background character, by the way he's squatting by Cable's side (like an obedient dog).



I have looked at the panel numerous times, I write reviews for this title so I have to be analytical, and I still don't get where you're getting "blown from the inside out" from. What it looks like is that he was hit in the chest with a firey blast, which would also explain why everything else looks like it's on fire. You get hit in the chest with something powerful like that, your clothes are going to be blown away like it was drawn.

And the covers aren't an indicator for things that always happen in the books anyway.

[ProfeZZor X]

I have looked at the panel numerous times, I write reviews for this title so I have to be analytical, and I still don't get where you're getting "blown from the inside out" from. What it looks like is that he was hit in the chest with a firey blast, which would also explain why everything else looks like it's on fire. You get hit in the chest with something powerful like that, your clothes are going to be blown away like it was drawn.

And the covers aren't an indicator for things that always happen in the books anyway.

I used the cover of #190 as a reference to his condition afterwards. However, if you want to get technical, Carey DID say in an interview (the very one that you posted in this thread some time ago) that what you see on #190 is what you get.

a) Iceman is blown in half.
b) Iceman & Mystique start an informal intimate relationship. (Posssibly a means to get back at Rogue, or stir things up within the team)

But if you want to be analytical about the panel, how do you explain Bobby's clothes/chest bursting outwards, rather than randomly directional? If a projectile is thrusted into an object, the entry wound/area is concave, not convexed... What we see on the image is convexed. If you have a better explanation as to what we see on that page, I'd like to hear it.

*Also, if anyone can scan and post that last page (exploding Bobby), we can discuss it further with a little more visual detail.

[Cosmic Mind]

who are the blonde and black haired women???

[spark627]

blond = lady mastermind (currently in a coma)
black haired chick = karima

[ghost113]

But as you can see, he quickly recovers, and is back in action an issue or two later. Still though, for such a powerful character, he still seems like a background character, by the way he's squatting by Cable's side (like an obedient dog).

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/713/713416/marvel-in-september-20060620093457554.jpg

What the hell does that mean? maybe that is just his stance and he's getting ready for battle. He does still seem to be a background character but considering what just happened to him and his past with Northstar he is about to jump into the spotlight.

[Colossal Spoons]

Well Wildchild tended to squat like that before Sabertooth's feet in AOA.....just saying.

[ghost113]

But wildchild was uncontrolable and needed to be on a leash.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j89/RobinBlue_photos/X-Men_189_022-1.jpg

[Colossal Spoons]

Looks like something imploded from inside of him to me. Let's all thank Bachalo for drawing this masterpiece.

[Sean Madrox]

I can't even make out what is happening...

[Colossal Spoons]

Iceman got impregnated with an alien baby who's burrowing his way out and Aurora is jammin' out to some techno music. :p

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Iceman got impregnated with an alien baby who's burrowing his way out and Aurora is jammin' out to some techno music. :p:eek: holy shnap, Ripley!