Official X-MEN: LEGACY Discussion Thread

[Coldqueen]

Why'd they have to bring up Destiny's Diaries again? SERIOUSLY? Didn't we go through this bull****e with X-Treme X-Men?!

[aaron]

Well I'm loving being crazy then :D

it suits you though dude

[El Bastardo]

Why'd they have to bring up Destiny's Diaries again? SERIOUSLY? Didn't we go through this bull****e with X-Treme X-Men?!
Oh yes, I can't believe they brought Destiny's Diaries up again! Like, out of NOWHERE, too.

...Have you even been reading the book?

[Rogue's Hand]

I'm pretty sure the rest (Rogue, Gambit, Cyke) are on the other side of this splash page.

[Colossal Spoons]

it suits you though dude

Ouch

[aaron]

its a good thing ;)

[Canemacar]

I'm pretty sure the rest (Rogue, Gambit, Cyke) are on the other side of this splash page.

They are. You can see Gambit's coat in the bottom-right. Looks like he's fighting Wolverine.

[Rogue's Hand]

I just read # 203 and I must say Bobby & Sam are gaining so much clout after these few issues. They have stepped up to the plate and gained the X's on their chest in just a couple of issues (though they've been underdogs for quite some time). My favorite moment in this issue is when: Mystique spares Bobby's life, and Gambit spares Sam!!! Goes to show the Cajun still has a heart under all that gumbo. I can't wait to read # 204!!!

[Rogue's Hand]

They are. You can see Gambit's coat in the bottom-right. Looks like he's fighting Wolverine.
Remy & Logan brawl!!!! :wow::wow:
OMG! I can't wait!

[El Bastardo]

Remy & Logan brawl!!!! :wow::wow:
OMG! I can't wait!
Ultimate X-Men #50. Undoubtedly better, if only because Kubert could pwn Bachalo any day of the week.

[Rogue's Hand]

Ultimate X-Men #50. Undoubtedly better, if only because Kubert could pwn Bachalo any day of the week.
I agree about Kubert :woot:, what's your take on a logical outcome though?
I mean I've never seen them brawl, they are both ani-heroes.

[Canemacar]

Gambit blows his own face off again.

[El Bastardo]

I agree about Kubert :woot:, what's your take on a logical outcome though?
I mean I've never seen them brawl, they are both ani-heroes.
Personally? I wouldn't mind seeing Carey go the same route that BKV went. What'll make me cry is seeing Bachalo draw it, and the fact that Carey will probably get some crap from idiots crying and ranting about how he's not being original.

If he is original, I'd prefer to have Gambit feint and dodge and manipulate Wolverine. Obviously he can't tire the guy out, but if he can work Wolvie into enough of a frenzy that Wolvie goes into tunnel-vision and either doesn't notice others coming to attack him, or Gambit can run him into his own teammates, that's the way to go.

Else, depending on what cards Gambit's playing at this time (pun totally intended), he can lead Wolverine into attacking other Marauders, essentially leading the raging bull by its horns. Depends on how the story's supposed to play out.

That's the stuff I'd like to see. Either that or, if Gambit is supposed to incapacitate him, leading him into an iffy circumstance by the above methods, then making a strategic strike with mutant powers to accomplish the task.

[Rogue's Hand]

Personally? I wouldn't mind seeing Carey go the same route that BKV went. What'll make me cry is seeing Bachalo draw it, and the fact that Carey will probably get some crap from idiots crying and ranting about how he's not being original.

If he is original, I'd prefer to have Gambit feint and dodge and manipulate Wolverine. Obviously he can't tire the guy out, but if he can work Wolvie into enough of a frenzy that Wolvie goes into tunnel-vision and either doesn't notice others coming to attack him, or Gambit can run him into his own teammates, that's the way to go.

Else, depending on what cards Gambit's playing at this time (pun totally intended), he can lead Wolverine into attacking other Marauders, essentially leading the raging bull by its horns. Depends on how the story's supposed to play out.

That's the stuff I'd like to see. Either that or, if Gambit is supposed to incapacitate him, leading him into an iffy circumstance by the above methods, then making a strategic strike with mutant powers to accomplish the task.
But judging by Gambit's actions in # 203, do you think he'd be ruthless
enough to act that out? namely, dealing the right cards as you say. I know
according to Carey that he isn't joining the team anytime soon, but when
looking at his face and actions in # 203, it's like his soft spot has become
visible quicker than I thought. I know we till have to see how he deals w/
the entire Rogue thing in # 204, but from 200 -203 Gambit has become
a lot more gullible than many of us even wanted. Something else I noticed
is he got soft on us before Mystique did and he's been gone longer.

[El Bastardo]

I don't see how Gambit's become "gullible." He was capable enough to try and drop a hint to Cable in #200, under the nose of Sunfire. And yes, the notable and obvious "soft spot" was shown in #202 because it had to be.

Gambit wouldn't be acting ruthless, per se. The animal that's attacking at him with adamantium claws is ruthless. Gambit would be acting out of self-preservation in all scenarios, with the first two options either putting him in better with his own teammates (if he uses Wolverine to help incapacitate the other X-Men) or preventing the wholesale destruction of the X-Men strike force while preserving his own cover (by guiding Wolverine's destructive rampage to target the Marauders).

[Canemacar]

But judging by Gambit's actions in # 203, do you think he'd be ruthless
enough to act that out? namely, dealing the right cards as you say. I know
according to Carey that he isn't joining the team anytime soon, but when
looking at his face and actions in # 203, it's like his soft spot has become
visible quicker than I thought. I know we till have to see how he deals w/
the entire Rogue thing in # 204, but from 200 -203 Gambit has become
a lot more gullible than many of us even wanted. Something else I noticed
is he got soft on us before Mystique did and he's been gone longer.

Sounds like Carey's trying to keep him as the ineffectual sissy he's been for years. Can you give a few more details on the scene in question?

[Rogue's Hand]

Sounds like Carey's trying to keep him as the ineffectual sissy he's been for years. Can you give a few more details on the scene in question?
Ofcourse Can-Can :woot:

Basically what happens in #203 is Gambit shows a lot of insercurties IMO.
For one, there's a scene where Karima says "I can see our two teams. One static mutant trace. Two more coming towards us--fast." Than Remy says "They're choosin' to die like men at least" and Mystique looks out of the corner of her eye and says "Yes. I look forward to you making the same choice, LeBeau". That's the first situation. The second thing that happened was a scene where Scalphunter says "Gambit, get out of my way. This is my kill." Referring to Sam while he's lying on the floor. Then they show a panel where Gambit has this sad look in his face when Sam stares at him. He then spares Sam's life by letting him dodge his card attack. Scalphunter replies with "They're toast (diaries). I told you to get out of my way, LeBeau." and Gambit brushes him off with "And you threw off my aim. C'etait vous. The fault was yours."

I can't wait till issue #204 :woot:

[aaron]

why are your posts like that rogues hand? :p

[Colossal Spoons]

its a good thing ;)

Oh, I'm very much crazy. Just didn't know it was visible through the internets lol

[aaron]

your username drops the first hint ;)

[UraniaChang]

Gambit with insecurities pretty much says why he won't be a permanent villain, villains are all egomaniac, there's no such thing as insecurity in their book.

I'm looking forward to #204 for Gambit and Rogue to beat the crap out of each other and get the whole thing over with.

[Colossal Spoons]

your username drops the first hint ;)

Haha, yeah....yeah

[aaron]

but yous a good un ;)

god i sound gay

[Canemacar]

Ofcourse Can-Can :woot:

Basically what happens in #203 is Gambit shows a lot of insercurties IMO.
For one, there's a scene where Karima says "I can see our two teams. One static mutant trace. Two more coming towards us--fast." Than Remy says "They're choosin' to die like men at least" and Mystique looks out of the corner of her eye and says "Yes. I look forward to you making the same choice, LeBeau". That's the first situation. The second thing that happened was a scene where Scalphunter says "Gambit, get out of my way. This is my kill." Referring to Sam while he's lying on the floor. Then they show a panel where Gambit has this sad look in his face when Sam stares at him. He then spares Sam's life by letting him dodge his card attack. Scalphunter replies with "They're toast (diaries). I told you to get out of my way, LeBeau." and Gambit brushes him off with "And you threw off my aim. C'etait vous. The fault was yours."

I can't wait till issue #204 :woot:


The first sounds more like Mystique just wanting Gambit to die than anything else. It is a bit off that Gambit would say something like "die like men"; he's always been more about being smart and showing discretion than chest-beating.

Can't judge the second till I see the panels, but he is definitely showing a conscience and covering it up. Still, it would've been nice to see him showing actual grit after years of being a pantywaist.

[Rogue's Hand]

why are your posts like that rogues hand? :p
Like what? :woot: Please elaborate :oldrazz:

[aaron]

But judging by Gambit's actions in # 203, do you think he'd be ruthless
enough to act that out? namely, dealing the right cards as you say. I know
according to Carey that he isn't joining the team anytime soon, but when
looking at his face and actions in # 203, it's like his soft spot has become
visible quicker than I thought. I know we till have to see how he deals w/
the entire Rogue thing in # 204, but from 200 -203 Gambit has become
a lot more gullible than many of us even wanted. Something else I noticed
is he got soft on us before Mystique did and he's been gone longer.

this :p

like cut off on each line

[Rogue's Hand]

The first sounds more like Mystique just wanting Gambit to die than anything else. It is a bit off that Gambit would say something like "die like men"; he's always been more about being smart and showing discretion than chest-beating.

Can't judge the second till I see the panels, but he is definitely showing a conscience and covering it up. Still, it would've been nice to see him showing actual grit after years of being a pantywaist.
Yes! That's what I mean! I don't want him to be Sinister, but I would have liked a bit more attitude from him. He seems submissive.:whatever: If him and my dear Rogue end up brawling in the next issue I hope he doesn't become a softie and "let" her win. I want to see some ole' school Ike & Tina brawling!:wow::hyper:

[Rogue's Hand]

this :p

like cut off on each line
I like my responses compacted so they don't stretch the board :woot:
It's all for your convenience man :oldrazz::hyper:

[aaron]

okies okies

[Colossal Spoons]

but yous a good un ;)

god i sound gay

Hahahahaha

[Canemacar]

Yes! That's what I mean! I don't want him to be Sinister, but I would have liked a bit more attitude from him. He seems submissive.

What I don't get is why Carey's writing him that way when he himself described Gambit as ruthless not too long ago.

Did he change his mind or something? :huh:

If him and my dear Rogue end up brawling in the next issue I hope he doesn't become a softie and "let" her win. I want to see some ole' school Ike & Tina brawling!

Gambit couldn't win a brawl with Leech at this point. A good fight with Rogue is out of the question.

[Rogue's Hand]

What I don't get is why Carey's writing him that way when he himself described Gambit as ruthless not too long ago.

Did he change his mind or something? :huh:



Gambit couldn't win a brawl with Leech at this point. A good fight with Rogue is out of the question.
Maybe there will be a turning point soon. Too early to predict. It would be nice to see Remy grow some manhood during these few issues.

[Canemacar]

I'm not holding my breath.

[aaron]

i think remy has a very nicely grown manhood ;)

[Colossal Spoons]

Rogue keeps them locked in a box though :(

[aaron]

thats his testicles.. im talking his c*o*c*k :p

[Colossal Spoons]

Hahaha, it's a small enough box :o

[El Bastardo]

More with the badness of Spoons's insurmountable hate.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

No, now you sound gay.:o

[Rogue's Hand]

I love cajun sausage with my pasta :woot:

[Colossal Spoons]

More with the badness of Spoons's insurmountable hate.

My anger is palpable :cmad:

I love cajun sausage with my pasta :woot:

Hey now!

[aaron]

I love cajun sausage with my pasta :woot:

this conversation is getting spicy

(see what i did there?)

[Rogue's Hand]

My anger is palpable :cmad:



Hey now!
What did I do? Just describe what type of meat I like in my pasta :huh::woot:

[Rogue's Hand]

this conversation is getting spicy

(see what i did there?)
Spicy like the way I like my sausages in my pasta? :hyper:

[aaron]

so innocent :heart:

[El Bastardo]

My anger is palpable :cmad:
I have anger. You're chock full of hate.

We should juice you and make a new brand of morning drink.

"Chock Full o'Hate" :cmad:

[Rogue's Hand]

...Yet dangerous (i.e. Rogue's Hand) :woot: :oldrazz:

[Canemacar]

...Yet dangerous (i.e. Rogue's Hand) :woot: :oldrazz:

Oh, so thats why you chose the name Rogue's Hand. I thought you meant it in a.......different way :woot: .

[aaron]

double meaning perhaps

[Colossal Spoons]

this conversation is getting spicy

(see what i did there?)

Haha, I see. I see!

What did I do? Just describe what type of meat I like in my pasta :huh::woot:

This section of Hype needs to have it's ESRB rating changed lol

I have anger. You're chock full of hate.

We should juice you and make a new brand of morning drink.

"Chock Full o'Hate" :cmad:

There's some love in my too :(

[Rogue's Hand]

Oh, so thats why you chose the name Rogue's Hand. I thought you meant it in a.......different way :woot: .
Things can have double meaning, atleast for the sake of parental advisory :woot:

[aaron]

around here theres no parents ;)

okay.. squeeks

[Colossal Spoons]

Squeeks is awesome lol

[aaron]

you lol alot ;)

[Colossal Spoons]

I do :(

But only because I HATE HATE HATE roflmaomg and all other variations of "I found that humorous".

[aaron]

pmsl :p

[Colossal Spoons]

Haha what?

[aaron]

pissing my self laughing

[Colossal Spoons]

I thought so :D

[aaron]

but myself is one word so it SHOULD be changed to pml, but i don't think it has quite the same appeal, lol.

[Colossal Spoons]

I'll bring it up at the next meeting :up:

[aaron]

good stuff

[squeekness]

around here theres no parents ;)

okay.. squeeks

Squeeks is awesome lol:D :heart: :D

pmsl :p

pissing my self laughing
Do I need to update my online lingo dictionary? :p

[aaron]

depends how old your current version is? :p

[squeekness]

I am pretty sure it does not include pmsl. :p

[Canemacar]

It's amazing how fast this thread can go from "on topic" to "WTF?".

[aaron]

I am pretty sure it does not include pmsl. :p

well windows live update it duh!

[Coldqueen]

It's amazing how fast this thread can go from "on topic" to "WTF?".

You're surprised?

[Colossal Spoons]

Not at all

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Eh.

So, just for kicks, is anyone actually *worried* in whatsoever capacity for Sam and Bobby?

Cause that would give us the right to scoff and laugh. :D

[Rogue's Hand]

Eh.

So, just for kicks, is anyone actually *worried* in whatsoever capacity for Sam and Bobby?

Cause that would give us the right to scoff and laugh. :D
They seem to be holding out pretty well, so I'm not worried at all.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

They seem to be holding out pretty well, so I'm not worried at all.

...all they did was beating up Sunfire so far, lol. :woot:

[aaron]

i dont care for bobby or sam

**** em

[Colossal Spoons]

^How dare you?

[aaron]

i dared :o

[Jake Cassidy]

Bobby and Sam rock.

[Colossal Spoons]

Indeed

[aaron]

i think they rock each others worlds

[Coldqueen]

I think you should stop dragging your non-canon slashy pervy dreams into this thread.

...nope. Not worried about them at all. They're two C-list characters that should be given an off-panel humiliating sexually deviant death.

[aaron]

nothing slashy about em ;)

whole lotta pervyness though :o

[squeekness]

i think they rock each others worldsI agree. They have great chemsitry togther. :p

[El Bastardo]

They're like Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn. :D

[aaron]

well.. they are gay together so duh

[El Bastardo]

well.. they are gay together so duh
Hey man, Big Mama Guthrie didn't raise no gay boy now, y'hear?

[aaron]

but thats how they end up like it :o

[UraniaChang]

Bobby, go back to Hank!....I mean go back to Scott's team!

[Snikt 6]

Bobby and Sam rock.

...Not so much. Sam IMO has just been hanging around for years...with no growth whatsoever. Bobby is cool.....but is written best in X-Men First Class.

[El Bastardo]

Sam's best growth was probably his going from being an unsure kid to Cable's underling to team leader and finally graduating to the big leagues from X-Force to the X-Men. Sadly, that was, what, mid-90s?

Which is why it's great and awesome to see him as a big player again.

[Snikt 6]

Sam's best growth was probably his going from being an unsure kid to Cable's underling to team leader and finally graduating to the big leagues from X-Force to the X-Men. Sadly, that was, what, mid-90s?

Which is why it's great and awesome to see him as a big player again.

Exactly my point....mid 90's...dude that was like 10 years ago. I agree its nice to see that they are doing something with him....but man, he should have been one of the mutants that lost his powers IMO....

[El Bastardo]

Why? He's got an original, fun power, and he's a fun character.

Just because a character arrives on a sustainable plateau of characterization isn't grounds for axing said character. If every character continued to grow and had to continue to grow to be used, what exactly would they be?

Either all leaders, or gods, or looping back around in the evolutionary cycle. Or reincarnated.

[Snikt 6]

^Well, he is an "Immortal" so my hopes are just...well...hopes. His power is okay, but just like the character....what's different now than in the late 90's?

[El Bastardo]

I don't know off the top of my head, as I'm not sure what he was in between the end of X-Force and when Claremont picked him back up in Uncanny.

But why does the character need to change between then and now?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Carey somehow made him cooler?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

But why does the character need to change between then and now?

Beats me, eh.

Changes or tweaks can be nice, but they're not an absolute necessity in my book.

[Snikt 6]

I don't know off the top of my head, as I'm not sure what he was in between the end of X-Force and when Claremont picked him back up in Uncanny.

But why does the character need to change between then and now?

Now I wouldnt say "change" as much as I would say "be actually involved". I mean, the last big story I remember reading about Sam while he was with the X-Men was when he beat Gladiator...and dude, MAD drew that.

[El Bastardo]

MAD rocks. :up:
Sam beating Gladiator rocks. :up:

That's enough coolness factor going right there to keep him going for years upon years.

On a serious note, I don't see where you're going. At first it was because the character hasn't grown. But you can't tell me why the character should grow. Then it's changed. Now it's not. Now it's that the character hasn't been involved.

Well, that's not a fault of the character. That's a fault of creative teams not making use of the character for whatever reasons, which does not make it a case that the character is therefore automatically boring or sucky.

But if we should get rid of characters who aren't involved, well, then maybe Marvel should periodically clean out the closet every creative team switch. "Oh! The new guys don't want to use this character. Guess we need to kill them off." :whatever:

[Snikt 6]

^Well........I will give in to the fact that it is the writers who have taken...or not taken...Sam seriously.

And I think cleaning is good....

[El Bastardo]

Good. Now go explain that to all the people who whine about New X-Men.

I'm going to go stand over there, behind the blast shielding.

[Snikt 6]

^Ha.....New X-Men rock. To bad they got all safe and stuff lately.....

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

And I think cleaning is good....

The point rather had to do with WHY said cleaning was done. :woot:

Oh and I want to punch about half of the NXM crew in the face.

Hell, X-23 is amongst the least annoying (actually, it's more her plotlines than the girl that annoys, but whatever) ones for me and God knows I hate the premise of her with a rare passion.

[OutcryX]

wasn't the cleaning done just because the writers didn't like any of the characters they got rid of and instead of just having them disappear (to be used later by better writers) they just offed them all in one fell swoop?

[Coldqueen]

...why you people have to get all "on topic" and stuff?

In my mind...Bobby is a **** character. In movies, cartoons, and comics, he sucks the big one (get your mind out of gutter, Kol). I can't think of a single storyline where he was ever doing anything...remarkable. Oh, except he did bang Mystique. That was remarkable in a BAD way. I'm talking GOOD way.

And no, I've not read a majority of the "early comics". As one of the "big five" he really is rather unremarkable whereas all the others have at least a few good storylines (with the possible exception of Archangel).

As for Sam...

I like his brother Jay a whole lot more. At least he's INTERESTING.

PS X-23 is as overused as Wolverine.

[aaron]

*perks*

gambit's got the big one :o

[Coldqueen]

*head/wall = OTP*

[aaron]

:heart:

that hurt i guess

[OutcryX]

...why you people have to get all "on topic" and stuff?

In my mind...Bobby is a **** character. In movies, cartoons, and comics, he sucks the big one (get your mind out of gutter, Kol). I can't think of a single storyline where he was ever doing anything...remarkable. Oh, except he did bang Mystique. That was remarkable in a BAD way. I'm talking GOOD way.

And no, I've not read a majority of the "early comics". As one of the "big five" he really is rather unremarkable whereas all the others have at least a few good storylines (with the possible exception of Archangel).

As for Sam...

I like his brother Jay a whole lot more. At least he's INTERESTING.

PS X-23 is as overused as Wolverine.
i like Bobby and he DID practically save the day AND keep the newbies from harm in Operation Zero Tolerance

[Coldqueen]

I've no idea of what you speak.

[Canemacar]

....So anyone got scans of 203?

[aaron]

hmm isn't there some on cbr?

[Coldqueen]

Don't talk around me.

[Canemacar]

...So does anyone have scans of #203 yet?

[Rogue's Hand]

...So does anyone have scans of #203 yet? I know it probably doesn't mean much, but I can scan it this Friday, if it's not too late for you.

[Canemacar]

Cool thanks. I probably won't be getting my issue for at least another week.

[Rogue's Hand]

Cool thanks. I probably won't be getting my issue for at least another week.
Cool, I'll hook up some scans then :cwink:

[Coldqueen]

...you did it again.

[aaron]

i want 203 now :(

[ProfeZZor X]

Spoilers for X-Men #203

Kitty, Peter and the New X-men attempt to revive Blindfold. In the middle of the procedure, Emma pulls Kitty into the astral plane, explaining to her that they had earlier collectively come to the decision to psychically hide Destiny’s diaries for fear of them falling into the wrong hands. Emma speaks the trigger word and Kitty remembers.

Meanwhile, Iceman and Cannonball are pursuing the genuine article, hidden away in Flint Michigan; they are led by Emma telepathically to an abandoned industrial park.

In Flint, Bobby and Sam have reached a problem; part of the building the diaries resided in has collapsed and they have difficulties finding it in the rubble when two groups of Marauders - one led by Scalp-hunter, the other by Mystique and Gambit- arrive. Bobby and Sam manage to get the jump on their adversaries. They surprise and temporarily freeze them, only to discover the capsule containing the diaries. They flee with the book before the Marauders can recover.

At the institute, Kitty and the team succeed in reviving Blindfold, who screams a warning that someone is coming and that someone has to warn them. Meanwhile, in Flint, her prophecy comes true as an unprepared Bobby and Sam are faced with Mr. Sinister, who easily takes them down. Scalp-hunter calls the still conscious Sam out, claiming him as a kill; but just before he can end Sam’s life, Gambit intervenes and supposedly knocks Sam out with a charged card after he makes a lunge at the diaries, rendering him unconscious and the diaries destroyed; he also possibly preserved his life. It turns out that Sam is playing possum, and before Sinister can wipe his memories, both Sam and Bobby make a desperate flight for escape. Sam is able to flee, but Bobby does not go far before he is hunted down by Mystique herself. He wonders aloud how she can live with herself, but she tells him that he knows nothing about her. She lets him live, firing four shots into the air to make the Marauders believe that she has executed him. Before leaving, she tells him that he is the only X-men who she thinks is worthy of that courtesy. The arc ends as Blindfold mouths mysterious and ominous warnings about the future.
And here is the link for those that feel they need proof that the information is NOT fabricated: http://www.sendspace.com/file/a4wgfg

[Colossal Spoons]

Enough Shadowcat already

[Specter313]

Spoony no like teh kitty anymore. ;) :p

[El Bastardo]

Spoilers for X-Men #203

Kitty, Peter and the New X-men attempt to revive Blindfold. In the middle of the procedure, Emma pulls Kitty into the astral plane, explaining to her that they had earlier collectively come to the decision to psychically hide Destiny’s diaries for fear of them falling into the wrong hands. Emma speaks the trigger word and Kitty remembers.

Meanwhile, Iceman and Cannonball are pursuing the genuine article, hidden away in Flint Michigan; they are led by Emma telepathically to an abandoned industrial park.

In Flint, Bobby and Sam have reached a problem; part of the building the diaries resided in has collapsed and they have difficulties finding it in the rubble when two groups of Marauders - one led by Scalp-hunter, the other by Mystique and Gambit- arrive. Bobby and Sam manage to get the jump on their adversaries. They surprise and temporarily freeze them, only to discover the capsule containing the diaries. They flee with the book before the Marauders can recover.

At the institute, Kitty and the team succeed in reviving Blindfold, who screams a warning that someone is coming and that someone has to warn them. Meanwhile, in Flint, her prophecy comes true as an unprepared Bobby and Sam are faced with Mr. Sinister, who easily takes them down. Scalp-hunter calls the still conscious Sam out, claiming him as a kill; but just before he can end Sam’s life, Gambit intervenes and supposedly knocks Sam out with a charged card after he makes a lunge at the diaries, rendering him unconscious and the diaries destroyed; he also possibly preserved his life. It turns out that Sam is playing possum, and before Sinister can wipe his memories, both Sam and Bobby make a desperate flight for escape. Sam is able to flee, but Bobby does not go far before he is hunted down by Mystique herself. He wonders aloud how she can live with herself, but she tells him that he knows nothing about her. She lets him live, firing four shots into the air to make the Marauders believe that she has executed him. Before leaving, she tells him that he is the only X-men who she thinks is worthy of that courtesy. The arc ends as Blindfold mouths mysterious and ominous warnings about the future.

And here is the link for those that feel they need proof that the information is NOT fabricated: http://www.sendspace.com/file/a4wgfg
So... proof = random text file uploaded to random site.

Man, that's as awesomely vetted as journalists and research students depending on wikipedia. :D

[Specter313]

So... proof = random text file uploaded to random site.

Man, that's as awesomely vetted as journalists and research students depending on wikipedia. :D

Ooh, careful dude. He'll say you're talking down to all of us and treating us like we're nothing. :wow: :whatever: :p

[El Bastardo]

Ooh, careful dude. He'll say you're talking down to all of us and treating us like we're nothing. :wow: :whatever: :p
:D :D :D

What, me? Never.

[Snikt 6]

Spoony no like teh kitty anymore. ;) :p

?? Spoons, say it aint so bro.....say it aint so.....:cwink:

[OutcryX]

f_ck Kitty...may she die forever

[UraniaChang]

Enough Shadowcat already

How much time she has until AXM #24?
Leave her be.

[Colossal Spoons]

?? Spoons, say it aint so bro.....say it aint so.....:cwink:

I think she's swell but I get enough of her in AXM. Adjectiveless was a breath of fresh air.

[Specter313]

I think she's swell but I get enough of her in AXM. Adjectiveless was a breath of fresh air.

Went right over the head. :p

[ProfeZZor X]

So... proof = random text file uploaded to random site.

Man, that's as awesomely vetted as journalists and research students depending on wikipedia. :D

Nobody told you to read it...

And weren't you the main one complaining the last time I posted spoiler images from #200, when Rogue was shot? :whatever:

[El Bastardo]

Nobody told you to read it...

And weren't you the main one complaining the last time I posted spoiler images from #200, when Rogue was shot? :whatever:
I didn't read it. I took a quick look at the first paragraph, which is what we've seen from the preview images, and then took a look at where the supposed "proof" came from, and giggled immensely. I half wonder which would involve more work: the route you took, which is to apparently upload a text file to use as proof, or the route of making a wikipedia entry merely to prove yourself correct. :D Although they are both pretty much one and the same.

And yes, I complained when you posted spoiler images before the issue was released without using a spoiler tag. Gosh, the amount of sense that makes - why, I must be crazy. :whatever:

[ProfeZZor X]

I didn't read it. I took a quick look at the first paragraph, which is what we've seen from the preview images, and then took a look at where the supposed "proof" came from, and giggled immensely. I half wonder which would involve more work: the route you took, which is to apparently upload a text file to use as proof, or the route of making a wikipedia entry merely to prove yourself correct. :D Although they are both pretty much one and the same.

And yes, I complained when you posted spoiler images before the issue was released without using a spoiler tag. Gosh, the amount of sense that makes - why, I must be crazy. :whatever:

Booo-F'ing-hoo.... Go cry a river to your spoiler happy comrade Specter, that posts the exact same thing that I do minutes before him.

[El Bastardo]

I'm pretty sure that Spec didn't post the last pages of the issue, that issue being #200 in case we forget. But if you can prove me wrong, I'll happily admit my mistake in that regard. Still doesn't change the fact of the matter, though, which would be - well, one, that you posted the spoiler images stupidly; and two, that me calling shenanigans to that old fact is entirely irrelevant to the original matter of hand, which would be poking fun at your awesome display of proof.

Maybe you can put Spec's spoilers of #200 all in a text file, upload it to some random site, and use that as undeniable proof too.

I mean, I'll totally believe you.

[Colossal Spoons]

Went right over the head. :p

Oh lol :O

[TromaFreak64]

I'm pretty sure that Spec didn't post the last pages of the issue, that issue being #200 in case we forget. But if you can prove me wrong, I'll happily admit my mistake in that regard. Still doesn't change the fact of the matter, though, which would be - well, one, that you posted the spoiler images stupidly; and two, that me calling shenanigans to that old fact is entirely irrelevant to the original matter of hand, which would be poking fun at your awesome display of proof.

Maybe you can put Spec's spoilers of #200 all in a text file, upload it to some random site, and use that as undeniable proof too.

I mean, I'll totally believe you.

You are right though.. it was #200 and Spec did NOT post the last pages anywhere I can find.

[aaron]

ahhh gambit.. tut tut

[Canemacar]

Did anyone else love that one-page beatdown Sinister administered? Carey spends three whole issues building Sam and Bobby up as these uber fighters, even having them single-handedly decimate the Marauder's expanded ranks only to get curbstomped by an annoyed Sinister.

[Rogue's Hand]

Did anyone else love that one-page beatdown Sinister administered? Carey spends three whole issues building Sam and Bobby up as these uber fighters, even having them single-handedly decimate the Marauder's expanded ranks only to get curbstomped by an annoyed Sinister.
I actually liked it! :woot:

[squeekness]

I am having a hard time deciphering this page:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/squeekness/Gambit/Gambitcardscannonball.jpg


Because it sure looks like to me Gambit screwed up on purpose. He didn't kill Cable, Cable self destructed the room. I don't think Gambit had any intention of hurting Cannonball here either. At least not the way things are being shown to me in Ramos' art. I think Gambit is playing someone, probably Sinister. :)

[Slant]

*Awaits the Sam/Remy comments*

On another note, I like the way Ramos draws Gambit lanky, at least.

[Rogue's Hand]

It's already been revealed that Gambit's intentions are not bad.

[squeekness]

Really? Because I've only heard vague things and innuendo. Supposedly he is not even joining a team after. He can't be all good then. :(

[Canemacar]

Marvel said he's not joining the X-men afterwards, but judging by the way Messiah Complex is shaping up, a lot of good guys aren't going to be a part of the X-men organization after everything is said and done. Idealogical differences.

[squeekness]

Marvel said he's not joining the X-men afterwards, but judging by the way Messiah Complex is shaping up, a lot of good guys aren't going to be a part of the X-men organization after everything is said and done. Idealogical differences.:cmad: :(

[Canemacar]

I think you misunderstood. They're splintering, not going into limbo.

[Specter313]

I am having a hard time deciphering this page:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/squeekness/Gambit/Gambitcardscannonball.jpg


Because it sure looks like to me Gambit screwed up on purpose. He didn't kill Cable, Cable self destructed the room. I don't think Gambit had any intention of hurting Cannonball here either. At least not the way things are being shown to me in Ramos' art. I think Gambit is playing someone, probably Sinister. :)

It's a Ramos page, good luck tryin to decipher anything he draws. Seriously, Ramos has zero clue of how to draw action without making it a complete indescipherable mess. I couldn't tell what was going on for more than half the issue.

[squeekness]

I think you misunderstood. They're splintering, not going into limbo.If Gambit isn't going to be in a regular book, then he will go back into limbo and squeekness will cry. :(

[Snikt 6]

^You think there is any chance that they make an "evil" x-men book? They say they are going to canx one book right? And since Cyclops and Sinister are going to be the two head hanchos with characters having to choose sides, you think they could give a book to the "good" mutants that agree with Sinister?

[Xplicit Content]

Just read the latest issue. Mike Carey is doing a great job with this book. He keeps me in suspense, yet he knows how to keep the story moving. Can't wait to see how this all turns out.

[Snikt 6]

Just read the latest issue. Mike Carey is doing a great job with this book. He keeps me in suspense, yet he knows how to keep the story moving. Can't wait to see how this all turns out.


Totally agree. Only thing is that this was part 4 or 4....seems like it should have been 2 issues longer.....

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Dude, this whole point of the arc was to pull a TESB. :p

We had a final ambush/battle, and the good guys running with their tail between their legs and slowly recovering from glorious smackdowns. You don't f**k up the vibe of an arc for the TPB just to have the good guys discuss about how everything went wrong. :p

[Havok83]

great final issue. I loved that Iceman got some spotlight and he shined in the issue

[Canemacar]

You don't f**k up the vibe of an arc for the TPB just to have the good guys discuss about how everything went wrong.

Isn' that exactly what #204 is about(and the Romy soap opera)?

[aaron]

gambit :(

[TromaFreak64]

Isn' that exactly what #204 is about(and the Romy soap opera)?

Seems like it..

And if anyone is doubting Gambit's being on the X-men's side at this point, you are out of your minds... come on him saving Cannonball was so very obvious? And destroying the diaries.... I mean it's clearly speculation but it seems like he is gonna be redeemable after all.

[Havok83]

Seems like it..

And if anyone is doubting Gambit's being on the X-men's side at this point, you are out of your minds... come on him saving Cannonball was so very obvious? And destroying the diaries.... I mean it's clearly speculation but it seems like he is gonna be redeemable after all.
yeah and I was disapointed bc I really want him to be a villian. I think he's more interesting that way

[Canemacar]

yeah and I was disapointed bc I really want him to be a villian. I think he's more interesting that way

I think it's a bit premature to say he was more interesting as a villain. Theres still going to be a huge angst-fest with Rogue and he's still going to be p*ssy-whipped.

[squeekness]

My only complaint with Remy as a villian is that he won't be on a team. We won't see him much. He'll just be off somewhere being bad and handsome... :(

[Slant]

Yeah, he hasn't done much of anything as a villain, other than 200, and we already know Cable's alive.

Although the bits from the MC one shot are interesting. But really, there isn't much reason for him to be a full-out villain anyway, not for an extended period of time.

[squeekness]

Yeah, he hasn't done much of anything as a villain, other than 200, and we already know Cable's alive.

Although the bits from the MC one shot are interesting. But really, there isn't much reason for him to be a full-out villain anyway, not for an extended period of time.I am wondering now if that big splash page from the preview is going to be the extent of his appearance. I hope not. :(

[TromaFreak64]

Yeah, he hasn't done much of anything as a villain, other than 200, and we already know Cable's alive.

Although the bits from the MC one shot are interesting. But really, there isn't much reason for him to be a full-out villain anyway, not for an extended period of time.

The way I see it, if he was taken in by Apocalypse and didn't become a full fledge villain what are the chances under Sinister?

[Canemacar]

The way I see it, if he was taken in by Apocalypse and didn't become a full fledge villain what are the chances under Sinister?

But strangely, if I had to guess which one would dress him up like a gimpy love-slave, I'd have gone with Sinister.

[Slant]

Yeah, Death Gambit looks like Sinister creation all the way. But then again, Sinister didn't seem to waste any time in turning him normal, and according to Bachalo's first version, made him pretty.

I guess he likes brunettes? *coughCyclopscough*

[Canemacar]

Yeah, Death Gambit looks like Sinister creation all the way. But then again, Sinister didn't seem to waste any time in turning him normal, and according to Bachalo's first version, made him pretty.

I guess he likes brunettes? *coughCyclopscough*

I bet Sinister tried to get him to wear one of Cyke's old uniforms too.:woot:

Sinister: Come on, just the visor then. Please? For me?

[UraniaChang]

Thought Gambit's a redhead?

But I can't see him as an all-out villain, unless he's under some mental influence, he's not evil or egomaniac or insane enough to be one permanently.

[UraniaChang]

Yeah, Death Gambit looks like Sinister creation all the way. But then again, Sinister didn't seem to waste any time in turning him normal, and according to Bachalo's first version, made him pretty.

I guess he likes brunettes? *coughCyclopscough*

That explains why he never shows the same interest in Alex.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Yeah, he hasn't done much of anything as a villain, other than 200, and we already know Cable's alive.

Well, he's been a villain for less than a day, lol. :woot:

But strangely, if I had to guess which one would dress him up like a gimpy love-slave, I'd have gone with Sinister.

Can you imagine the scene? The Marauders coming back from an assignment and...

Scalphunter: Hey, boss, we're... Oh. Bad time, is it?

Sinister: It isn't what it looks like. It's...

Gambit: Mpppphhhnmmm!!!!!! Mpphhhhhhmmm!!

Scalphunter: Right. We'll just be on our way and pretend you weren't reenacting that Pulp Fiction scene.

Sinister: Good man. Now leave.

Scalphunter (off-panel): Who the f**k had the brilliant idea to recommend that flick to the old man again? For f**k's sake...

[Havok83]

I think it's a bit premature to say he was more interesting as a villain. Theres still going to be a huge angst-fest with Rogue and he's still going to be p*ssy-whipped.
he does nothing for me as a hero. The bad side appeals to me. Even hinting at a villianous turn for him as made me interested in the character and Ive never cared for him before. I like where they've been heading with him. I dont want it negated to see him back as a hero with the X-men. For once I want to see them do something like this with one of their characters and actually stick to it. Gambit was the perfect character to turn

[Slant]

he does nothing for me as a hero. The bad side appeals to me. Even hinting at a villianous turn for him as made me interested in the character and Ive never cared for him before. I like where they've been heading with him. I dont want it negated to see him back as a hero with the X-men. For once I want to see them do something like this with one of their characters and actually stick to it. Gambit was the perfect character to turn
I don't know. Its better when he's a bit in the middle, not full fledged either way.

You'd have to have some sort of motivation to be a villain (unless you're like a Sabertooth, which Gambit isn't), and Gambit 's never shown much interest in mutant affairs, if any at all, like the other villains.

I mean, why would a guy like Gambit spend his time getting his ass kicked by the X Men (Which is what being a villain would boil down to, for the most part), given that he knows the X Men pretty well, and could easily head down to New Orleans and go back to thieving or something.

[Canemacar]

Can you imagine the scene? The Marauders coming back from an assignment and...

Scalphunter: Hey, boss, we're... Oh. Bad time, is it?

Sinister: It isn't what it looks like. It's...

Gambit: Mpppphhhnmmm!!!!!! Mpphhhhhhmmm!!

Scalphunter: Right. We'll just be on our way and pretend you weren't reenacting that Pulp Fiction scene.

Sinister: Good man. Now leave.

Scalphunter (off-panel): Who the f**k had the brilliant idea to recommend that flick to the old man again? For f**k's sake...

Ok, now I'm convinced the Marauders and Sinister need at least a mini chronically a typical day in their dysfunctional lives. It'd be like the Addams family, only with more bondage.

[squeekness]

Ok, now I'm convinced the Marauders and Sinister need at least a mini chronically a typical day in their dysfunctional lives. It'd be like the Addams family, only with more bondage.You do have to wonder what they do in their down time....:p

[Slant]

Ok, now I'm convinced the Marauders and Sinister need at least a mini chronically a typical day in their dysfunctional lives. It'd be like the Addams family, only with more bondage.

The only good part in "The End" was that page where Gambit and Sinister are lounging and Sinister is giving Gambit his advice on how to win Rogue back.

Just Surreal.

[Canemacar]

The only good part in "The End" was that page where Gambit and Sinister are lounging and Sinister is giving Gambit his advice on how to win Rogue back.

Just Surreal.

Who'd have thought Essex was a playa?

[Havok83]

I don't know. Its better when he's a bit in the middle, not full fledged either way.

You'd have to have some sort of motivation to be a villain (unless you're like a Sabertooth, which Gambit isn't), and Gambit 's never shown much interest in mutant affairs, if any at all, like the other villains.

I mean, why would a guy like Gambit spend his time getting his ass kicked by the X Men (Which is what being a villain would boil down to, for the most part), given that he knows the X Men pretty well, and could easily head down to New Orleans and go back to thieving or something.
how about somewhere down the middle but leaning towards the bad side?

[squeekness]

Maybe Essex actually has some sympathy for Gambit, lol. Wouldn't want the Cajun to get too lonely and then off himself before Sinister can take his body....:p

[Slant]

Maybe Essex actually has some sympathy for Gambit, lol.
It must be something like that.

Gambit just blew up the diaries, and Sinister wasn't pissed at him.

[Canemacar]

If he was mad at anyone in particular it was Scalphunter, who he shoved. Maybe he bought the story about his shots throwing off Gambit's aim?

[Coldqueen]

My only complaint with Remy as a villian is that he won't be on a team. We won't see him much. He'll just be off somewhere being bad and handsome... :(


Yeah, off in my DREAMS...where he doesn't wear clothes...

Where's Darth with the dolls when you need him?

Now, you know what I'd like to see in the TPB (which I'll prolly buy)?

Sinister/Rogue. Let's get some real ANGST going on.

[cardslinger]

I like when Gambit's on the fence between good and evil. The X-men shouldn't fully trust him. They should trust him enouph to have him on a team, but still wonder about his intentions.

[iamlegend]

Sorry if I'm mis-informed, but I've been away from the boards for a bit.

Are we talking a possible splintering that ends in Sinister leading a "team" that may include more former X-Men?

I could see that being something worth reading... and I could see Gambit playing a new role. He'd be something of the go-between for the new members that used to be "heroes" and guys like Sinister. He has a bit of both sides going for him.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Sorry if I'm mis-informed, but I've been away from the boards for a bit.

Are we talking a possible splintering that ends in Sinister leading a "team" that may include more former X-Men?

I could see that being something worth reading... and I could see Gambit playing a new role. He'd be something of the go-between for the new members that used to be "heroes" and guys like Sinister. He has a bit of both sides going for him.

You haven't read #203, eh?

1 - Yeah, they seem to be hinting at x-men defecting to join the baddies.

2 - I sincerely doubt Gambit would have that kind of job after the Diaries debacle.

[Xmenfan527]

what does blindfold say about the future at the end of 203?? i havent picked it up yet

[Snikt 6]

I like when Gambit's on the fence between good and evil. The X-men shouldn't fully trust him. They should trust him enouph to have him on a team, but still wonder about his intentions.

Yeah, but it gets old after a bit....but so does him being a baddy....or donig good....well, it just seems each time Gambit is around after a year or so he just gets so....meh.

[iamlegend]

You haven't read #203, eh?

1 - Yeah, they seem to be hinting at x-men defecting to join the baddies.

2 - I sincerely doubt Gambit would have that kind of job after the Diaries debacle.

Yeah, I'm kind of behind on the times a bit.

To be fair though... Hasn't one X-Team already basically joined the Marauders/Died? That being Rogue's team?

But are we talking about a possible Sinister team post-MC? I thought that's what someone said. That'd definitely be interesting.

And as it has been implied, I think Gambit's got some weird connection with Sinister that gives him a lot of bonus points. I'm still betting Sinister has something on Gambit and knows he won't stray too far. Yet, anyway.

[Silver Phoenix]

Totally new member here,so,hello to everyone!!:)I couldn't resist this intriguing conversation!:woot:

I think Gambit is definitely not on the bad guys's side-he did save Cannonball's life in #203,after all, he could have killed him and he should have,if he was really and completely turned!!!:ninja: I do wonder, though...what kind of hold Sinister has over him to make him actually co-operate with Mystique,given our favourite thief's recent history with her- after the whole Bizarre Love Triangle storyline and onwards, the last person I expected Remy to work with would have been Mystique!!:wow:

[Generation Lee]

Maybe Carey like the rest of us are trying to forget Milligan's Run.

[aaron]

figures

[Silver Phoenix]

*nods*Yup, that's a good point too!!Didn't much care for Mystique acting the concerned 'mom' and trying to tear her apart from her bf, I have to say, it just felt...weird!

[aaron]

the weirdness is intriguing though

[Silver Phoenix]

Oh, no argument there!!!;)The story was interesting,but Mystique as the concerned mother didn't really ring true to me-then again, it might have all been an elaborate ploy on her part to sleep with Gambit, huh?;)

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Oh, no argument there!!!;)The story was interesting,but Mystique as the concerned mother didn't really ring true to me-then again, it might have all been an elaborate ploy on her part to sleep with Gambit, huh?;)

Or, say, just pretend she was at the mansion for reasons which had nothing to do with MURDERING the x-men. :woot:

[Silver Phoenix]

:cwink: LOL Yup, that might have been true!!I am curious, though...does anyone know if this "Augustus"/Pulse person is still in the mansion?:O

[Coldqueen]

Supposedly he still is, he still has "powers".

I'd love to see them do something with him. I hate it when they create characters that are a) copycats, and b) plot points.

They could at least PRETEND to do something with him.

[Canemacar]

They could put him to work as a redshirt.

[Slant]

Scalphunter should kill him.

Its only fair, he wanted to shoot Rogue, but Mystique stopped him and did it herself. He also wanted to shoot Cannonball, but Gambit stopped got in his way then. Its time he actually hits someone.

[Silver Phoenix]

Supposedly he still is, he still has "powers".

I'd love to see them do something with him. I hate it when they create characters that are a) copycats, and b) plot points.

They could at least PRETEND to do something with him.

I totally second that;I don't think I've seen the guy around ever since the Blood of Apocalypse storyline-but we're never told he's gone, so he should still be at the mansion.:whatever: They can at least pretend to make something more of him than a plot tool,can't they?

[OutcryX]

apparently..no..they can't. Marrow, Maggot, Cecelia Reyes, Lifeguard, Thunderbird III, Slipstream, Red Lotus, ALL of Morrison's creations, Stacy X,....all were basically overblown plot points...but then again...that can be said for everyone...just not everybody sticks

[Varient]

apparently..no..they can't. Marrow, Maggot, Cecelia Reyes, Lifeguard, Thunderbird III, Slipstream, Red Lotus, ALL of Morrison's creations, Stacy X,....all were basically overblown plot points...but then again...that can be said for everyone...just not everybody sticks

"Overblown plot points?"

I liked Cecelia Reyes.
:dry:

[OutcryX]

"Overblown plot points?"

I liked Cecelia Reyes.
:dry:

so do i.

if you knew my posting history on here. u'd know i love all the obscure characters from x-lore

[Canemacar]

Red Lotus was kinda cool. Wouldn't mind seeing him show up sometime.

[Generation Lee]

Which one was he again???

[squeekness]

"Overblown plot points?"

I liked Cecelia Reyes.
:dry:Me, too. I was sad to see her do a fade. :(
so do i.

if you knew my posting history on here. u'd know i love all the obscure characters from x-loreI am like that, too at times. Wild Child is a fave of mine and he's hardly used. :( Maggot too. They killed him off. :mad:

[Canemacar]

Which one was he again???

Chinese mutant who first showed up in X-Treme #5. As far as I could tell, he has super strength, speed, agility, endurance, and some invulnerability as well as some kung fu skill.

[Jake Cassidy]

I loved Marrow before they prettied her up. Maggott was originally supposed to be Australian, right? I thought that these two and Cecelia were really interesting characters with very unique powers. It's a shame that they never got much of a chance.

[Canemacar]

So is anyone actually planning to read #204? I'm thinking I'll skip it and get a clifnotes version from someone else.

[squeekness]

I loved Marrow before they prettied her up. Maggott was originally supposed to be Australian, right? I thought that these two and Cecelia were really interesting characters with very unique powers. It's a shame that they never got much of a chance.Maggot was from Africa, his accent was South African english I think. :)

[squeekness]

So is anyone actually planning to read #204? I'm thinking I'll skip it and get a clifnotes version from someone else.I read them all. :D Especially if they have Gambit in them.

[Silver Phoenix]

apparently..no..they can't. Marrow, Maggot, Cecelia Reyes, Lifeguard, Thunderbird III, Slipstream, Red Lotus, ALL of Morrison's creations, Stacy X,....all were basically overblown plot points...but then again...that can be said for everyone...just not everybody sticks

Sigh...you're right!!:(I liked Cecelia and Slipstream and Lifeguard;I would have liked to see them stick around more;Marrow, too,as well as almost everyone you mention!

[TromaFreak64]

So is anyone actually planning to read #204? I'm thinking I'll skip it and get a clifnotes version from someone else.

psh i read em all

[Silver Phoenix]

*nods*I'll read them all too!I'm a bit curious how this story from #200 is going to play out!

[Jake Cassidy]

squeekness. I know that Maggott was South African. I just thought he was originally planned to be Australian. Either way, I thought he was cool and interesting.

[squeekness]

squeekness. I know that Maggott was South African. I just thought he was originally planned to be Australian. Either way, I thought he was cool and interesting.So did I. I loved the way he spoke, it was different. I am just sorry they felt the need to kill him off. :( All that remains is one of his slugs, assuming it can survive without the host....

[Coldqueen]

I think all D-list character suck.

And only serve as plot-points for a reason.

Think about it...

Lifeguard supposedly went after her brother after he ran from her in her newly birdy state.

That would have been a nice miniseries to read. Her search for her brother, her coming to terms with being Shiar.

The reason that they're only plot points issss...

Marvel sucks ass.

[Colossal Spoons]

So is anyone actually planning to read #204? I'm thinking I'll skip it and get a clifnotes version from someone else.

Why would we skip it?

[Canemacar]

Why would we skip it?

I take it you haven't seen the cover yet?

[iamlegend]

I take it you haven't seen the cover yet?

Canemacar, not everyone is jumping ship just because of the Romy-ness. I really don't want to get into the "Why I think Canemacar is overreacting" rant again, so I'll just let it lie.

But at least read it before you go on rants.

[Canemacar]

I"m not ranting. I'm just wondering who's going to skip it since it's almost nothing but a Romy angst-fest, as Carey has already admitted, and people are always complaining about those.

http://images.comicbookresources.com/news/x-position/19/xmen204c013jpeg.jpg

I officially hate Gambit now. Whiny little b*tch that he is.

[iamlegend]

I"m not ranting. I'm just wondering who's going to skip it since it's almost nothing but a Romy angst-fest, as Carey has already admitted, and people are always complaining about those.

http://images.comicbookresources.com/news/x-position/19/xmen204c013jpeg.jpg

I officially hate Gambit now. Whiny little b*tch that he is.

Now I have to rant again.

So it's going to be an angst fest. It HAD TO HAPPEN. These two characters spent almost two decades of print in an on/off relationship. Only a scarce few Marvel couples can claim to have outlasted that. So it was INEVITABLE that there'd be angst upon Gambit's return.

Better to get it out of the way NOW, BEFORE Messiah Complex, then let it play a huge role during the crossover. Gambit's character is back, and they claim he's not going into limbo... So there's plenty of time for the character to move on from Rogue.

But they have to have something like this happen before real progress can be made.

Let **** play out before you bail on a character you used to love. If you expected Gambit to just say "Pfft, kill the *****," then you obviously quit on the character longer ago then you claim.

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[Canemacar]

Nevermind my big mouth.

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Love the art is that they guy from Target X??

Anyway I always loved Wolverine drew "Younger" I think of late he's too old, his healing factor the way it is should be suppressing age. Instead they make him look like a 50+ guy trying to keep up with the kids, kinda like most action heroes like Arnie and Stallone.

Anyway I cannot believe that there was a preview and nobody picked up on the Cannonball/Iceman panel after the Supernova arc stuff.

God have people matured??? :cwink: :yay:

[aaron]

gambits lips should be fuller :o

[mightiest_mortal]

So did I. I loved the way he spoke, it was different. I am just sorry they felt the need to kill him off. :( All that remains is one of his slugs, assuming it can survive without the host....

I loved him as well... killing him off served no point at all and aided no stories.
Maybe theres still a chance WeaponX wasnt in continuity lol.

The main gripe I have with people being allowed to kill of C and D list characters is that its really really lazy storytelling and wastes a lot of potential, even on seemingly useless characters.

Lets not forget that a while back now, somebody actually thought that the only way to get a good story out of Jamie Madrox was to kill him with the Legacy Virus.


Even the most rubbish characters, if they have the right writer and story could be breakout stars....






....okay maybe not Sketch. Someone can kill her if they want.

[gothicFLAVOURS]

I love that art! Choi is really amazing. It's nice to see these character drawn by someone other than Bachalo and Ramos.

[squeekness]

Yeah, that Gambit was pretty sweet looking, even if his lips were a bit thin...:p

[UraniaChang]

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I hope he is being all angst because he's about to blow her head up if Sinister's personality make-over doesn't work later.

[TromaFreak64]

I love that art! Choi is really amazing. It's nice to see these character drawn by someone other than Bachalo and Ramos.

Seriously this is an AMAZING change of pace with the art...

[Charlie No-One]

Sam and Bobby gay lovers.

[Canemacar]

Yeah, Carey's really feeding those rumors about Bobby.

[Silver Phoenix]

Oooohh!!I am speechless with the art-finally, some change and to the better!!:DAnd the Gambit-Rogue page looks interesting...now I can hardly wait,even it is going to be oh-so-angsty!!!!;)

*cough*Gambitlookssohotinthatframe*cough**swoon*

[Colossal Spoons]

I take it you haven't seen the cover yet?

Haha, I see it now. I can see why you'd want to skip it. I gotta buy it though; being an X-whore and all

[Coldqueen]

Puh-lease. If Gambit and Rogue even have a CONVERSATION CanCan skips the damn issue.

That panel has no dialogue on it yet everyone is assuming it's an angst-fest.

Just because Gambit has that mad lust on his face and a tear in his eye doesn't mean anything.

Hell, Rogue could be DEAD in taht shot for all we know.

[Silver Phoenix]

Puh-lease. If Gambit and Rogue even have a CONVERSATION CanCan skips the damn issue.

That panel has no dialogue on it yet everyone is assuming it's an angst-fest.

Just because Gambit has that mad lust on his face and a tear in his eye doesn't mean anything.

Hell, Rogue could be DEAD in taht shot for all we know.

*blinks and then blinks some more*You might actually be right in that last comment,I hadn't thought of it till I read it...I hope not, though, I was in the Endangered Species chat a while earlier and the buzz is Rogue has some important moments in Messiah Complex;but it could be as a memory, couldn't it?:o

I hope they can finally talk, though, her and Gambit's thing has been going downhill for some time now,I'd like to see something happen, even if it is a final-well,as final as anything in Xmen ever is-separation!

[Coldqueen]

You're not allowed to encourage ROMY.

Some...PEOPLE...might attack you for it.

Though...honestly...

I want some full on Rogue/Remy action.

Oh, and, new question...

WHY IS REMY'S MOUTH OPEN IN ON THAT PAGE? It looks FUNNY.

[Silver Phoenix]

LOL I'm not?:pWell, I will, because I liked them togetherever since the first issue they ever met!*looks around for potential challengers*:p

And he might be saying something,I think?

As for full Gambit/Rogue action...I am so with you and I am starting to believe Lorna-back in the day when she was mentally unhinged, before her 'wedding' with Havoc and all-was actually right:Rogue could just get a power inhibitor for such...romantic moments and be done with it!!!;)

[Colossal Spoons]

Sam and Bobby gay lovers.

This art certainly implies that. See the damn twinkle in their eyes lol

[UraniaChang]

Bobby belongs to HANK!!!!

[Nature's Rising]

Holy ****ing art!!!!!!! Choi I bow in front of you!!!! Now enough with Ramos and Bachalo and have this guy do all of them!!!! Amazing!!!!!!

And oh yeah, I am very interested with the whole Bobby/Sam thing...and Wanda!!!!! Lol.

Go!!!

[Canemacar]

WHY IS REMY'S MOUTH OPEN IN ON THAT PAGE? It looks FUNNY.

I prefer to believe Gambit is about to bite Rogue's nose.:oldrazz:

[Slant]

In preparation for his twisted 'baby eating' agenda later on? :D

[Canemacar]

Or maybe to bring Rogue out of her coma.

Gambit: Hmmm. *chomp*
Rogue: *bolts upright* MOTHER*****ER!!!

[flavio_lebeau]

woooooooow. That art alone makes it worth buying. It's good to see there are still people who can draw. :up:

[Rogue's Hand]

I think those pages with Rogue & Gambit are misleading. I think it's meant to make Canmacar mad on purpose because of all the recent Romy hate. I am almost sure they will fight.:woot:

Oh and the art is beautiful!!

[Canemacar]

I am almost sure they will fight.

When Rogue wakes up and maces him for hovering over her like a stalker, yeah.

[Rogue's Hand]

When Rogue wakes up and maces him for hovering over her like a stalker, yeah.
I doubt while Gambit is doing all of that Sinister is just lamping and relaxing. They probably just have a sentimental moment. I do however know Rogue isn't dead. Ya' think maybe he set her free?

[Slant]

I doubt its even possible for her to be set free, even if Gambit wanted to.

[Rogue's Hand]

I doubt its even possible for her to be set free, even if Gambit wanted to.Well Carey confirmed that Rogue will definitely evolve during these issues, saying "Rogue will be in a completely different place by issue # 207". And he also confirmed she'll be involved in Messiah Complex. As far as Gambit? Why wouldn't he free Rogue? He saved Sam from getting killed.:word:

[Slant]

Yeah, but it'd be tons more obvious. It'd seem like a waste for her to have been captured and in enemy territory for the last arc just to get freed that easily.

[Canemacar]

When she gets free, I'm thinking it'll be the X-men who do the rescuing. They assault Sinister's Antarctica base in #205 after all.

Speaking of which, I was hoping being in Antarctica again would actually get Gambit a bit more pissed at the X-men, not end up making him even more whipped than his lame as hell return after #350.

[Rogue's Hand]

When she gets free, I'm thinking it'll be the X-men who do the rescuing. They assault Sinister's Antarctica base in #205 after all.

Speaking of which, I was hoping being in Antarctica again would actually get Gambit a bit more pissed at the X-men, not end up making him even more whipped than his lame as hell return after #350.
I wonder what they'll say to each other, LOL
I'm so excited! I wonder if he'll shed a tear and Rogue will suddenly fry
him for the way he ruthlessly attacked her the last time they saw each other.
I want a fight. I seriously want her to kick his _____ :ninja::woot:

[Canemacar]

I wouldn't worry about that. It'll happen, of that I have no doubt.

[OutcryX]

So...are we gonna get a scene with Bobby and Sam like we did with Mystique and Bobby?