Official X-MEN: LEGACY Discussion Thread

[squeekness]

Actually I didn't think #204 was that bad. The ROMY was minimized and less painful than I had been led to believe. I am curious to see if Gambit will ever get his chance to explain his reasonings. I would have loved to see him rip Mystique a new one, but he didn't... whatever. I liked the moment between Bobby and Sam, nice to see guys actually talk about things that trouble them and give each other support.

I did however think the end to Endagered Species was anti-climatic and boring. Hope Messiah Complex is better.

[DoomJester]

I thought Xmen 204 was woefully average. I guess if you have been waiting to hear what Gambit felt about Rogue it is alright, but other than that, this was a worthless issue. They may as well have bumped up Messiah Complex. Honestly, I thought I could get into X-men but I just can't the whole lead up to Messiah Complex has just been a mess, Astonishing X-men I enjoy and will probably continue reading (I mean I'll read the Ellis run).

I'm going to give Messiah Complex a shot, because I'm more or less financially commited but Carey has been painfully average. I can't put it any other way. Brubaker has been well, dissapointing given what he can do. Rise and Fall was entertaining enough, if a few issues too long, but after that...

Next Wednesday can't get here soon enough .

[Colossal Spoons]

204 thoughts

- Glad Sam ain't brain damaged

- Choi draws a GRRRREAT Iceman!

- Blindfold is easily the creepiest little girl I've seen in a comic in a loong time

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Liked it.

Good dialogue, nice art (a bit too yaoi, but still not fugly) and Carey adressed the issues that needed to be adressed. Can't say I feel any of the scenes was a waste of time. Good thing for that type of issue.

Still not quite sure why Sins put up with Remy and Blue, but guess we'll have to wait and see how this one plays out.

Oh, and to think we were complaining about Rogue being Carey's pet character. Jesus, Mystique worship much? Cause Sins and/or wouldn't just beat her to death or drug her into saying what she knows...?

EDIT: Oh, and Can, you did call it on the Romy thing. Does Remy even has anything resembling a freakin COVER??? Nobody on the baddies' can actually see him as a bona fide baddie, right?

[Slant]

Still not quite sure why Sins put up with Remy and Blue

I don't know either. Well, we know he lets Gambit get away with things, but I don't understand Mystique.

Hopefully, he knows, but just doesn't give a **** because he'll take care of them whenever.

[OutcryX]

....unless Sinister and mystique have an ....arrangement of sorts

[Slant]

Well they both are shapeshifters.....

[Colossal Spoons]

Or, he knows something she and we don't...which is very likely

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

....unless Sinister and mystique have an ....arrangement of sorts

Right. She *can* change into Scott, Alex and Remy in one go, eh?

Or, he knows something she and we don't...which is very likely

Exactly why we'll be laughing our a$$es off when it does happen.

Still, kinda baffling for other characters to just think they'll get away with it... :huh:

[Slant]

Right. She *can* change into Scott, Alex and Remy in one go, eh?

I was thinking they do their own Rogue/Gambit scenes, being that they both seemed obsessed with one or the other.

But that works too.

[Colossal Spoons]

Is Exodus older than Sinister?


/random

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I was thinking they do their own Rogue/Gambit scenes, being that they both seemed obsessed with one or the other.

But that works too.Huh, yeah. Mystique's an awful mother, but I doubt she'd f**k someone while posing as Rogue. Well, right now anyway.

Unless you meant Sins would pose as Rogue and Blue as Remy...? :wow:

[Slant]

Huh, yeah. Mystique's an awful mother, but I doubt she'd f**k someone while posing as Rogue. Well, right now anyway.

Unless you meant Sins would pose as Rogue and Blue as Remy...? :wow:
Eh, she tried to do that with Gambit though, so there is precedent.

And on that last sentence, thats open to interpretation. :D

[OutcryX]

Huh, yeah. Mystique's an awful mother, but I doubt she'd f**k someone while posing as Rogue. Well, right now anyway.

Unless you meant Sins would pose as Rogue and Blue as Remy...? :wow:

Mystique posing as a man and doing her own daughter???? thats just....awesome

[Colossal Spoons]

I thought the Foxxx thing was the worst it could get

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Eh, she tried to do that with Gambit though, so there is precedent.

As Rogue? Can't remember what name she used, but she was posing as some noob or something in Bizarre Love Triangle (hungh).

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Mystique posing as a man and doing her own daughter???? thats just....awesome

I know. So twisted it's not even funny. We rock.

[Slant]

As Rogue? Can't remember what name she used, but she was posing as some noob or something in Bizarre Love Triangle (hungh).
Yeah, but after that didn't work, she went for the "Rogue that you can actually touch" angle.

Yeah. What a mother.

[OutcryX]

I know. So twisted it's not even funny. We rock.

Rock on my friend. Rock. On.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Yeah, but after that didn't work, she went for the "Rogue that you can actually touch" angle.

Yeah. What a mother.

Right. Knew I remembered it from somewhere. Thus my 'not right now'.

I'll dare say she wouldn't pull that s**t days (?) after shooting Rogue in the chest.

[Slant]

I know. So twisted it's not even funny. We rock.
Its all Sinister's fault really. He seems to bring out all the twisted thoughts in everyone, and the "pretty" version doesn't help things.

[Canemacar]

EDIT: Oh, and Can, you did call it on the Romy thing. Does Remy even has anything resembling a freakin COVER??? Nobody on the baddies' can actually see him as a bona fide baddie, right?


I'm reading it now, so you'll all get my 2 cents in a little bit.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Its all Sinister's fault really. He seems to bring out all the twisted thoughts in everyone, and the "pretty" version doesn't help things.

Considering how he stalked a young boy and obsessed about his freakin genetic material, one can hardly blame us. :woot:

We're not even stretching this thing... NO, not a pun. Bad Outcry.

[ProfeZZor X]

For those interested, here is some Gambit & Rogue interaction from #204:

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/6408/xmen204dcp0019du6.jpg

http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/6/10/24/f_XMen204m_e703902.jpg

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Is it me or is Rogue channelling Jessica Alba in that shot of her and Remy in the center of the pic...?

[Slant]

Considering how he stalked a young boy and obsessed about his freakin genetic material, one can hardly blame us. :woot:

We're not even stretching this thing... NO, not a pun. Bad Outcry.
Not to mention the flat out stalker tendencies he's been known to show for a few people.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I think Romy just shot down Can's brain. Either that or he's curled up a darkened corner muttering to himself.

Or maybe he was just brave enough to read ES' last two chapters.

Not to mention the flat out stalker tendencies he's been known to show for a few people.
One of the things that always cracked me up...

Sins didn't just KIDNAP Cyke because...?? Security couldn't possibly have been that good at that orphanage. :D

[Slant]

Haha yeah, he could've gotten all the DNA he needed before it even became a problem. Guess he wanted a challenge.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

The whole predator/prey thingy, eh? :D

And to think Sins used to pride himself on being dignified and all.

[Canemacar]

Eh, can't comment on the Romy stuff yet, since I've only gotten to page 11, but it's really weird suddenly seeing the X-men actually be concerned for one another after years of poor writing making the majority of the X-men come off as sociopaths. Hell, I was surprised to hear them mount a rescue, I had expected them to just go do something else until the story demanded Rogue wake up and get free.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Well, keep in mind it'll take, what, 4-5 issues before they actually move.

But then again, they have no idea where Sin's HQ is, right?

[Slant]

But then again, they have no idea where Sin's HQ is, right?

Well, with Gambit gone, they could just use Cyke as bait. :D

But honestly yeah, it seems like the whole baby thing is what causes the delay.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Well, with Gambit gone, they could just use Cyke as bait. :D

Just, what, they'd tie him up naked somewhere and accidently let the intel slip on his location?

Although I guess they'd have to send Wolvie as a bodyguard if just for the sake of credibility.

But honestly yeah, it seems like the whole baby thing is what causes the delay.
Well, not to sound insensitive, but it kinda is a bigger deal.

[iamlegend]

Well, keep in mind it'll take, what, 4-5 issues before they actually move.

But then again, they have no idea where Sin's HQ is, right?

They're finding out sometime in the next month of issues, since we know they assault the place in 205...

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

P.O.W. at some point?

Considering how Sins' crew had stealth gear, I'm not quite sure I'd buy any other scenario.

[UraniaChang]

Eh, can't comment on the Romy stuff yet, since I've only gotten to page 11, but it's really weird suddenly seeing the X-men actually be concerned for one another after years of poor writing making the majority of the X-men come off as sociopaths. Hell, I was surprised to hear them mount a rescue, I had expected them to just go do something else until the story demanded Rogue wake up and get free.

People: Okay, what should we do next?
Cyke: Well, according to my schedule, there's only one thing we've been putting off- rescue Rogue.
People: Can't we do something more productive, like having a picnic? We can do with a day-off.
Cyke: Sorry, we have a tight schedule.
People: Fine, let's go rescue her and get this thing over with then.

[Rogue's Hand]

The coolest part in this issue was when Bobby told Cyke off for trying to blame Rogue! Mr. Drake grew a nice pair when he stood up to Scott! :woot:

[UraniaChang]

Geez, Bobby, grow a brain!

Or maybe Mystique has screwed the rest of your brain cells so bad you have nothing left.

[Silver Phoenix]

*comes in, sporting a helmet just in case*Well, I actually liked issue #204...and the much-debated Gambit/rogue scene was not overplayed at all, I think, it was nice, actually!!!Loved the Bobby vs.Cyclops scene, though, very nice!Methinks the Iceman is actually maturing!*is so startled, she falls off chair at this point*

[ProfeZZor X]

...A part of Bobby's and Scott's coversation:

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/2024/bobbyandcyke2pl1.jpg

[Varient]

...A part of Bobby's and Scott's coversation:

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/2024/bobbyandcyke2pl1.jpg

I'm sure I'll be enjoying this once I have access to the store again,... Apparently Bobby is starting to grow up.

[Valechan]

Took him long enough, 40+ years wasn't it?

[The Englishman]

Geez, Bobby, grow a brain!

Or maybe Mystique has screwed the rest of your brain cells so bad you have nothing left.
Whys he need to grow a brain, this is Iceman being a badass!! Something ive been waiting to see for ages?...

[TromaFreak64]

I'm sure I'll be enjoying this once I have access to the store again,... Apparently Bobby is starting to grow up.

Maybe I am reading this scene differently, but Bobby is the NON-grown up in the situation who is blaming himself for something that is clearly NOT his fault. He is thinking Cyclops is blaming Rogue for something that is not here fault..

He is behaving out of guilty, and Cyclops is being the rational one and pointing out that it is NOT Bobby who got Sam hurt or Cable hurt (and it wasn't Rogue either)- it was Sinister and his crew :huh:

I don't know if that equals more mature by blaming yourself for what others have done.... Standing up and being tough doesn't equal mature either... level headed would be more mature.

[Colossal Spoons]

Yo, Choi's Iceman is amazing

[Specter313]

Marvel needs to steal Choi from Top Cow and put him on an ongoing book. Preferably this one. :p

[Varient]

Maybe I am reading this scene differently, but Bobby is the NON-grown up in the situation who is blaming himself for something that is clearly NOT his fault. He is thinking Cyclops is blaming Rogue for something that is not here fault..

He is behaving out of guilty, and Cyclops is being the rational one and pointing out that it is NOT Bobby who got Sam hurt or Cable hurt (and it wasn't Rogue either)- it was Sinister and his crew :huh:

I don't know if that equals more mature by blaming yourself for what others have done.... Standing up and being tough doesn't equal mature either... level headed would be more mature.

For the longest time the Iceman was a follower, a whiner who couldn't be bothered to stand up to anyone in the xmen. The closest he came was standing up to havok over Lorna dane.

And Xmen missions? LOL This is the FIRST time I've seen him put in charge of a mission and the first time I've seen him stand up to Scott.

Yup,... He's growing up.

Wait'll he finishes growing a pair,... then we'll worlk on making him level - headed.

[tyler-durden]

Who's on this book right now? The art is really good.

[UraniaChang]

Whys he need to grow a brain, this is Iceman being a badass!! Something ive been waiting to see for ages?...

TromaFreak64 has answered the question.

Bobby just gets worked up over his own guilt. You're not 'standing up' to anything when the other one is the rational one and being rational imo.

[OutcryX]

TromaFreak64 has answered the question.

Bobby just gets worked up over his own guilt. You're not 'standing up' to anything when the other one is the rational one and being rational imo.


yeah i agree. he is just being emotional and just as rash as he always has been. if he is 'growing up' he still has a long way to go.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Oh dear. You know, I kinda like Bobby, but people can't actually think Bobby was the bigger of the two here, right?

Sure, he's got a point. But so does Cyke.

And Christ, all Cyke has hinted at was DEMOTING Rogue. Not benching or leaving to die. Chill, kiddo.

[Varient]

No whining.
No meekly following
Defending a teamate verbally
Standing up to "his leader" for the first time in my memory.


Agreeing to disagree,.. This bobby is a long way from the sulky punk that Emma Powned by using his own powers better than he could.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

No whining.
No meekly following
Defending a teamate verbally
Standing up to "his leader" for the first time in my memory.

Actually, NO. Bobby arguably did worse during Milligan's run. Something about Cyke's word not being worth jacks**t nowadays.

This bobby is a long way from the sulky punk that Emma Powned by using his own powers better than he could.

...And? We never said he was.

Nor did we say anything about it not being bada$$.

Bada$$, yes. Mature/grow-up, not quite.

[Varient]

Actually, NO. Bobby arguably did worse during Milligan's run. Something about Cyke's word not being worth jacks**t nowadays.



...And? We never said he was.

Nor did we say anything about it not being bada$$.

Bada$$, yes. Mature/grow-up, not quite.

(smile)
And I said "Starting to grow up" not Grown up or mature.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

(smile)
And I said "Starting to grow up" not Grown up or mature.

Fine, I'll let it slide since one could say growing out of a role/archetype qualifies somewhat as growing up.

Still, all Cyke had to do was say: "Oh, please, you people keep whining about how I'm too much of a wuss and the second I act like an unabashed unforgiving a$$hole, you people start whining all over again. Make up your f****n minds."

That's one hell of a trump card.

:woot: :woot: :woot:

[Canemacar]

Props to Bobby for showing some balls, but he was kind of stupid to ice-up and threaten Cyke. What the hell does he expect to accomplish that way? Emma was probably keeping an eye on him and would've KO'd him if he had somehow managed to not get curbstomped by Cyke.

[OutcryX]

Oh dear. You know, I kinda like Bobby, but people can't actually think Bobby was the bigger of the two here, right?

Sure, he's got a point. But so does Cyke.

And Christ, all Cyke has hinted at was DEMOTING Rogue. Not benching or leaving to die. Chill, kiddo.

the guilty cry first. and the point he was making was already noted by Cyclops. He said nothing that wasn't already known. He was rantings and trying to take it out on Scott, who is FINALLY letting these little whining brats know that DADDY is home. Kudos to Bobby for actually being able to speak up for himself now....but he was completely out of turn

oh...and is leaving Rogue to die a BAD thing? just throwing it out there...ok ok, it is but geez, I need for her character growth and 'new' development thing to come and go already.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Props to Bobby for showing some balls, but he was kind of stupid to ice-up and threaten Cyke. What the hell does he expect to accomplish that way? Emma was probably keeping an eye on him and would've KO'd him if he had somehow managed to not get curbstomped by Cyke.

Refer to who and what he's defending in the scene. Figures he'd try to be a playground bully. :D

[OutcryX]

Props to Bobby for showing some balls, but he was kind of stupid to ice-up and threaten Cyke. What the hell does he expect to accomplish that way? Emma was probably keeping an eye on him and would've KO'd him if he had somehow managed to not get curbstomped by Cyke.


perhaps he was only reassuring both himself and cyclops that he's fully recovered from his mutant clap

[Canemacar]

perhaps he was only reassuring both himself and cyclops that he's fully recovered from his mutant clap

Dude, he froze part of Scott's jacket. Thats grounds for an ass-beating.:word:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

perhaps he was only reassuring both himself and cyclops that he's fully recovered from his mutant clap

Well, Cyke *did* humor him and he *does* know Bobby.

No, not as well Sam THAT WAY. Just to be sure.

F**K, I'm getting semi-paranoid.

[OutcryX]

Dude, he froze part of Scott's jacket. Thats grounds for an ass-beating.:word:

i agree. perhaps it happens in the pages following...

[OutcryX]

Well, Cyke *did* humor him and he *does* know Bobby.

No, not as well Sam THAT WAY. Just to be sure.

F**K, I'm getting semi-paranoid.

Sam should blame himself for his injuries...nobody told him to force his way through so hard and rough fully knowing that he didn't have the proper protection:ninja:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

i agree. perhaps it happens in the pages following...

Maybe it happens in the one shot's first few pages. Would explain why Bobby isn't around to complain.



Hank: Emma, are you sure leaving Scott and Bobby alone was such a good idea? Bobby seemed rather angry and Scott...

Emma: Henry, they'll be f...

ZAPPPP!!!!

Emma: Put that thought on hold.

*Cyke comes out of his office whistling.*

Hank: Scott, what hap...

Emma: Dear, do I even want to...

Cyke: B**ch didn't respect the clothes. Come on, we've got work to do. Something about Warren moaning about Rogue not being around or something.

[Canemacar]

i agree. perhaps it happens in the pages following...

I thought that was happening when Scot started shifting his glasses in 204. Would've been sweet.

[OutcryX]

LOL@ Darth's scenario...now Sam will have some company in the infirmary...well, he'll be getting more as the crossover amps up...but for now its just him and bobby....and blindfold

[Specter313]

LOL@ Darth's scenario...now Sam will have some company in the infirmary...well, he'll be getting more as the crossover amps up...but for now its just him and bobby....and blindfold

There's a threesome for ya. :dry:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Speaking of crazy scenarios, WTF is up with Bobby not being able to hate Mystique?

They've been on the same team for, what, THREE F****N ADVENTURES before BBTL???!!!!

Bobby: you so freakin can. Trust me on this one.

[OutcryX]

no. he can't. s/he gave him the most magical night of his life and he will be forever (scarred) grateful.

[UraniaChang]

I thought that was happening when Scot started shifting his glasses in 204. Would've been sweet.

I thought it was an underlying warning for Bobby that said 'Watch it, I've already gave you ground, don't try to push your luck.'

[UraniaChang]

Speaking of crazy scenarios, WTF is up with Bobby not being able to hate Mystique?

They've been on the same team for, what, THREE F****N ADVENTURES before BBTL???!!!!

Bobby: you so freakin can. Trust me on this one.

The STD Mystique passed on him has eaten up that part of his brain.

[DJSCARLET]

well they did kiss a few times and they did sleep together (or at least it looked like that). and she didnt kill him off in 203...thats a weird couple
i think its dumb for scott to blame rogue, since she was agaisnt the idea of mystique staying at the freaking mansion.

[Canemacar]

no. he can't. s/he gave him the most magical night of his life and he will be forever (scarred) grateful.

Even though he hasn't been able to sit down since that night.

[OutcryX]

Even though he hasn't been able to sit down since that night.

and now he's REALLY confused..which explains all the tenderness towards all american stud Sam

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

no. he can't. s/he gave him the most magical night of his life and he will be forever (scarred) grateful.

You know what, I change my "Sins' should off her" stand.

Have Cyke do it. In front of Bobby.



Bobby: NOOOOO! Scott, come on, you're better than this.

Scott: I've been saying 'no more seconds chance' for the past 13 f****n issues. Keep up.

Bobby: You can't be serious. Do you think Cable or Jean would...

Scott: One: F**k you for bringing them up. Two: No, Jean wouldn't. Three: Whatever Jean might think is offset by you not respecting the clothes, b**ch.

Bobby: Oh my God, this again?? I apo... oh, wait, I didn't actually...

ZAPPP!!!!

Bobby: NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

[OutcryX]

as long as Rogue wakes up and tells him that she is who she is and for him to deal with it, right before her head is separated from her body, freeing the billions of souls she absorbed

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

i think its dumb for scott to blame rogue, since she was agaisnt the idea of mystique staying at the freaking mansion.

Staying at the mansion VS being on an away team.

The #200 ambush couldn't even have taken place had it not been for Blue being there.

Rogue *was* genuinely trying to do damage control and thought she' be able to do jacks**t about Mystique making her move, but it ended up making things worse. Fact.

[OutcryX]

Staying at the mansion VS being on an away team.

The #200 ambush couldn't even have taken place had it not been for Blue being there.

Rogue *was* genuinely trying to do damage control and thought she' be able to do jacks**t about Mystique making her move, but it ended up making things worse. Fact.


i concur. even though Mystique prolly had a contingency plan (borrowing from BP) to have her nefarious scheme unfold whether she stayed at the mansion or went on a mission.....

she could have also been a substitute instructor for the X-kids....wonder how she would have mentored mercury in shape shifting

[DJSCARLET]

and now he's REALLY confused..which explains all the tenderness towards all american stud Sam
'all american stud'? :oldrazz:

i know, and i remember reading when rogue decided to put her on the team (keep your friends close, and your enemies closer) but my point is scott shouldnt put down rogue just bcuz miss blue got one over her. you would think after she tried to kill the x-men many many times that inviting her to stay would be the last thing they do.
damn miligan...:whatever:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

ALl he's saying is he doesn't want her to LEAD a team. Never said anything about benching her.

Bobby's being a drama queen.

[Canemacar]

Bobby's being a drama queen.

Again, thats not so surprising considering who it is he's defending.

[Rogue's Hand]

ALl he's saying is he doesn't want her to LEAD a team. Never said anything about benching her.

Bobby's being a drama queen.
So Scott's being a drama King :huh:
W/E. Scott would know nothing about leading, atleast not recently, especially with Emma playing Oprah and wearing that pants in the ralationship. He can't even mourn without Emma telling him what to think. Even Jean's leash wasn't that tight around his neck to where he couldn't even blink w/o her approval.

Bobby >>> Cyke. Especially in this debate.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

You *did* read the part about Cyke telling Emma OFF, right??

[UraniaChang]

You *did* read the part about Cyke telling Emma OFF, right??

And probably what happened in Astonishing.

[Canemacar]

So Scott's being a drama King :huh:
W/E. Scott would know nothing about leading, atleast not recently, especially with Emma playing Oprah and wearing that pants in the ralationship. He can't even mourn without Emma telling him what to think. Even Jean's leash wasn't that tight around his neck to where he couldn't even blink w/o her approval.

Bobby >>> Cyke. Especially in this debate.

I don't see what Scott's personal life has to do with his leadership abilities. His track-record places him as the best leader among the X-men, and probably second only to Cap in the Marvel Universe.

[tyler-durden]

Has Captain America ever met Cyclops?

[Jake Cassidy]

Yes. During 'Onslaught' when the X-Men, Avengers and FF teamed up he was actually telling Cap and Reed what to do, to some extent. He's highly respected.

[tyler-durden]

That's cool that he sees mutants as equals.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

And probably what happened in Astonishing.

You'd think people would remember him referring to her as a sick b**ch or mocking her defense mechanisms, but, nope.

EDIT: One last thought about Cyke being mean to Rogue & Bobby. Can't wait for someone to explain those two that fairness and civility is a two-way street. :D

[DJSCARLET]

i know that Rogue eventually wakes up. She's been on most ads for MC in wizard. but so far i havent seen her in any spoiler pics for MC. how big of role does she actually have? Carey's interview dont reveal much, if anthing, at all about Rogue.

[OutcryX]

i know that Rogue eventually wakes up. She's been on most ads for MC in wizard. but so far i havent seen her in any spoiler pics for MC. how big of role does she actually have? Carey's interview dont reveal much, if anthing, at all about Rogue.


She apparently has a big enough role that she is going to come out of this with a new set of powers and perhaps some clarity...if she doesnt die

[DJSCARLET]

new set of powers? where did you heat that one from?
Shes not going to die, Carey did somewhat confirm that.

[UraniaChang]

EDIT: One last thought about Cyke being mean to Rogue & Bobby. Can't wait for someone to explain those two that fairness and civility is a two-way street. :D

Mean? You know Scott was never really mean to anyone, not enough anyway imo. If Bobby or Rogue were ordinary people in real life and acted like some rebel teenager and expected to be cuddled, I would cuddle them with a stick or a bat.

[Havok83]

Has Captain America ever met Cyclops?
of course he has. The X-men and Avengers have had crossovers going back to the orignal days in the 60s

[Canemacar]

of course he has. The X-men and Avengers have had crossovers going back to the orignal days in the 60s

Which, if you've ever read them, is part of why Wolverine joining the Avengers makes no sense.

[UraniaChang]

Does Wolverine ever do things because they make sense?

[Jake Cassidy]

The New Avengers aren't really Avengers to me, anyway. Luke Cage? Iron Fist? Dr. Strange? No Cap, no Thor, no Vision. That's not the Avengers.

[squeekness]

Which, if you've ever read them, is part of why Wolverine joining the Avengers makes no sense.It doesn't make sense but I like it. I like him and Spidy on a team. It makes it interesting to me.

[Rogue's Hand]

new set of powers? where did you heat that one from?
Shes not going to die, Carey did somewhat confirm that.
He hinted a while back that these might not be her only or permanent powers.

[Canemacar]

Tennesse won by luck alone tonight. They just fell apart in the second half.

[ProfeZZor X]

I don't think these images been posted for X-Men #205? I saw them in the IGN picture archives:http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/x-men-messiahcomplex-one-shot1.jpghttp://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/x-men-messiah-complex-one-shot2.jpghttp://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/x-men-messiah-complex-one-shot-3.jpg

[tyler-durden]

Bachalo is a great artist but what the hell is going on in these panels?

[Havok83]

Bachalo is a great artist but what the hell is going on in these panels?
I think when they are colored it will become more apparent

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I think when they are colored it will become more apparent

Yup. Should at least for the thingy to be colored to go on the usual 'WTF is going on' rants. :D

And it just cracks me up that Cyke & cie are kicking back while the others are gonna get their a$$es kicked.

[Slant]

I love that he's drinking coffee while all this is going on.

Although you know they're not real relaxed or anything, its just funny.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I love that he's drinking coffee while all this is going on.

Although you know they're not real relaxed or anything, its just funny.

Can't wait for Emma to tell everyone else in the room the news.



Scott: So, Emma, how are they faring?

Emma: You really do not want to ask me that, darling.

Scott: That bad, huh?

Emma: Yes, that bad.

Scott: F**k.

Emma: Somewhat crude but rather accurate assessment of their tactical situation.

Scott: Oh well. So, Hank, Bobby, Bishop. Pool game? I'll let you guys break.

[Slant]

I also love how Bishop is totally dressed for war yet he's not allowed to go.

[UraniaChang]

Bishop: Cyclops, what makes you call me back so urgently?
Cyclops: Oh, we just brewed a pot of real nice coffee, the best brand, figure you should join us, and Emma will channel us to a show of our teammates fighting Sinister and his gang.
Bishop: Really? I'm in.

[iamlegend]

I just want to know the logic behind Scott (the de facto leader of the X-Men) not leading the assault on the base of his most hated enemy (Sinister). :huh:

Can someone explain?

[UraniaChang]

Because he's not interested in letting Sinister being anywhere him and his DNA?
Or maybe He doesn't want to hear Storm yapping about her mightiness so he sends her off instead.

[iamlegend]

Because he's not interested in letting Sinister being anywhere him and his DNA?
Or maybe He doesn't want to hear Storm yapping about her mightiness so he sends her off instead.

A very logical point.

I just feel like people like he and Iceman could have been so much more useful than say, Angel.

[tyler-durden]

He could be drinking coffee because he is stressed, I know many people who drink coffee because they are stressed.

[UraniaChang]

A very logical point.

I just feel like people like he and Iceman could have been so much more useful than say, Angel.

This whole battle is created for Angel, so with or without Cyke and Iceman he will be there.
He's the one who just gets home and notices Rogue (of all people) is gone.

[UraniaChang]

He could be drinking coffee because he is stressed, I know many people who drink coffee because they are stressed.

But I think Scott has a slight smile on his face...

[iamlegend]

This whole battle is created for Angel, so with or without Cyke and Iceman he will be there.
He's the one who just gets home and notices Rogue (of all people) is gone.

'Cause he and Rogue are that tight...

Maybe Sinister will off him. I hate Warren...

[Slant]

I think because its personal with Angel and the Marauders. You know, the whole wing thing.

[UraniaChang]

I like Warren, but if Sinister lets someone like Mystique live for so long, he's not going to kill Angel.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Because he's not interested in letting Sinister being anywhere him and his DNA?
Or maybe He doesn't want to hear Storm yapping about her mightiness so he sends her off instead.

Too easy to crack "I am Goddess, hear me roar!!! Claremont is GOD!!!" jokes.

I'll play nice this once.

[iamlegend]

I like Warren, but if Sinister lets someone like Mystique live for so long, he's not going to kill Angel.

Dunno, he seemed pretty intent on wiping Cannonball's mind...

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Dunno, he seemed pretty intent on wiping Cannonball's mind...

WTF was up with that lasting for, what, mere hours? :huh:

[tyler-durden]

maybe he has his on intentions with mystigue.

[Slant]

Hopefully it leads to her violent death.

[OutcryX]

Storm, uber B_tch that she is DOES look pretty damn mighty in those panels....wonder if she will be humbled....

and yeah...i agree about the Angel thing...him getting pissed off b/c Rogue is gone is dumb...it HAS GOT to be personal with him and the Marauders...even tho...with his powers back to where they were pre archangel...he'd only get plucked again

[UraniaChang]

Too easy to crack "I am Goddess, hear me roar!!! Claremont is GOD!!!" jokes.

I'll play nice this once.

They can go mate somewhere, thought that is what all those gods and goddesses doing in the mythology.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Storm, uber B_tch that she is DOES look pretty damn mighty in those panels....wonder if she will be humbled....

Everyone will at some point.

Man, just looking at that team I can hardly resist the urge to make cracks (well, moreso anyway) about 'Ro going "OMG, Second Class PWNS!!! Claremont is GOD!!! F**K X-Factor!!!" and Warren actually buying his way in or something.

[OutcryX]

Everyone will at some point.

Man, just looking at that team I can hardly resist the urge to make cracks (well, moreso anyway) about 'Ro going "OMG, Second Class PWNS!!! Claremont is GOD!!! F**K X-Factor!!!" and Warren actually buying his way in or something.


LMAO...hell yes.. OF COURSE she is thinking that...what else would she be thinking....other than how mighty she is and that she is a goddess amongst mortals and that her man's d_ck is like a third leg?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

YUKIO. And how her right/left arm put BP's third leg to shame.

Fine, FOREarm. Hand. Whatever.

Seriously, though, I wouldn't be surprised if we'd get a scene of 'Ro trying to "assert" herself or something. Not trying to take over or anything, but probably a diluted "OMG, you're an administrator now, leave the REAL fighting to me".

[UraniaChang]

Maybe BP likes her that way.

[OutcryX]

YUKIO. And how her right/left arm put BP's third leg to shame.

Fine, FOREarm. Hand. Whatever.

Seriously, though, I wouldn't be surprised if we'd get a scene of 'Ro trying to "assert" herself or something. Not trying to take over or anything, but probably a diluted "OMG, you're an administrator now, leave the REAL fighting to me".

and she's a queen...she isnt supposed to be in the thick of it either. command your subject b_tch....and put down the freakin spear..you can summon lightening and hurricanes and the such

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Maybe BP likes her that way.

Actually, he's currently freaking out about the thought of 'Ro taking part in x-orgies over in BP. :D

And apparently, his dream is to become a white woman. :D

Trying to adapt to 'Ro's tastes or something.

[OutcryX]

Actually, he's currently freaking out about the thought of 'Ro taking part in x-orgies over in BP. :D


he is soo lame and conservative. lol

[UraniaChang]

and she's a queen...she isnt supposed to be in the thick of it either. command your subject b_tch....and put down the freakin spear..you can summon lightening and hurricanes and the such

She takes that spear because she forgot to bring her own royal mace.

Actually, he's currently freaking out about the thought of 'Ro taking part in x-orgies over in BP. :D

And apparently, his dream is to become a white woman. :D

Trying to adapt to 'Ro's tastes or something.

No wonder he marries her, his brain apparently has severe malfunction.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

She takes that spear because she forgot to bring her own royal mace.

Actually, one could suppose she just froze Harpoon's a$$ and grabbed the thing. Although why she'd insist on using the weapon afterwards is a mystery. Still looks good on promo art, though.


No wonder he marries her, his brain apparently has severe malfunction.

Too many contingency plans. :woot:

[OutcryX]

Actually, one could suppose she just froze Harpoon's a$$ and grabbed the thing. Although why she'd insist on using the weapon afterwards is a mystery. Still looks good on promo art, though.

yeah it does actually..she looks 'mighty'



Too many contingency plans. :woot:

except for that

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

yeah it does actually..she looks 'mighty'

That, and there's just something hilarious about her of all people waving around such a phallic symbol with such enthusiasm. :woot:

[OutcryX]

That, and there's just something hilarious about her of all people waving around such a phallic symbol with such enthusiasm. :woot:

and its so big and she is swinging it around with one hand....i'm impressed

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

and its so big and she is swinging it around with one hand....i'm impressed

That's MU physics for ya.

Cause female martial artists ALWAYS wield long and heavy weapons. :woot:

Said reasoning is of course automatically cancelled by 'Ro's muscled frame and... Oh, wait.

Still looks good, though. :woot:

[OutcryX]

That's MU physics for ya.

Cause female martial artists ALWAYS wield long and heavy weapons. :woot:

Said reasoning is of course automatically cancelled by 'Ro's muscled frame and... Oh, wait.

Still looks good, though. :woot:


that it does. chick knows her way around big things

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I want it on the record that I *did* kinda try to steer this one away from the sex talk.

[OutcryX]

I want it on the record that I *did* kinda try to steer this one away from the sex talk.

no u didnt. u were a full fledged participant

[Canemacar]

I'm trying to work out a strap-on joke to top things off, but I haven't had my morning coffee yet.

[OutcryX]

take ya time...even though i dont think she really needs one...

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

You know, It seems as Carey completely forgot about Northstar and Aurora.:huh: WTF is up with that?

[iamlegend]

You know, It seems as Carey completely forgot about Northstar and Aurora.:huh: WTF is up with that?

Well he's kind of had to go with the flow and write the prelude to Messiah CompleX... I mean, odds are one or the other will show up again during the crossover, but they're not big players.

[OutcryX]

he did kinda hint that he was going to bring them back and possibly add them to his roster...but that idea along with the return of cecelia reyes got sh_tcanned

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

You know, I still don't think Raven is evil. She's up to something elsr.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

So I just read 204, and it's nice to know Kurt will be put out of action. Just bloody fantastic.:mad:

[Varient]

So I just read 204, and it's nice to know Kurt will be put out of action. Just bloody fantastic.:mad:

Give me one more day before you guys spoil all of it,... I get the comic in 8 hours,..
:csad:

[UraniaChang]

You know, I still don't think Raven is evil. She's up to something elsr.

Mystique, not evil? and isn't she always up for something else?
Thought the only person she has some real affection for is Rogue (I'm not even sure if she cares as much about Kurt), and one of her life goals is to get her daughter in her little gang.

[Canemacar]

Sometimes, Carey pays too much attention to bad continuity instead of doing what needs to be done. Case in point: Over on his blog, he's defending a bunch of upcoming Romy stuff by saying he's just writing the two of them as they've been established(which he said in response to a debate going on about Gambit acting all neutered with Romy). Now, I'm an advocate of adhering to continuity, but there are definitely some cases where you should break from tradition. This is one such instance.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Oh, did he now?

Meh, if I've said it once, I've said it, well, a couple of times.

Like the guy's writing a LOT more than his ideas.

Come to think of it, I could say the same thing about PAD and Yost. Whedon on a lesser level, too. Amazingly enough, Bru doesn't quite fit into that category, but that's not saying much considering what he's written to date. Making the Shi'Ar a threat and a Destiny ripoff? Good idea as any, eh. Just wasn't much fun on-panel. Oh well.

But I'm getting off topic.

I guess what I'm saying is that at this point, I'd rather just have 'Ro beat the f**k out of Carey's two divas and get it over with. Cause 'Ro (and quite a few other characters) totally has no business being scared of either.

BTW, I will *die* of laughter if Mystique pwns Storm in 205. Have a brawler pwn two team x-leaders whose respective specialties are RANGED ATTACK would just be too funny.

[Canemacar]

Like the guy's writing a LOT more than his ideas.

In my opinion, he's one of those writers who needs a strict editor to keep him from getting too caught up in what he's writing. Claremont is the same way; back when Marvel's editors kept a fairly close eye on him, he produced a lot of good stories(Dark Phoenix Saga being the shining example). But without a strong editorial presence, we end up getting tuff like Storm: The Arena.

I guess what I'm saying is that at this point, I'd rather just have 'Ro beat the f**k out of Carey's two divas and get it over with. Cause 'Ro (and quite a few other characters) totally has no business being scared of either.

When Darth is rooting for his sworn enemy, you know thing are bad. :wow:

BTW, I will *die* of laughter if Mystique pwns Storm in 205. Have a brawler pwn two team x-leaders whose respective specialties are RANGED ATTACK would just be too funny.

I don't think it'll go that way. Mystique will probably slink away from the fight and somehow find a way to screw everyone over at the same time. Kinda ridiculous, given who we're dealing with, but theres nothing like the power of writer fiat.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

When Darth is rooting for his sworn enemy, you know thing are bad. :wow:
I know. :woot:

So I did manage to convey how dire the situation was.

[The Englishman]

Whens the next book out??

[Canemacar]

November 28th.

[Genosha]

I guess I might be one of the only X-fans who still enjoys ROMY. And I liked the way that 204 brought such great moments between Rogue and Gambit back to subplot status.

I like the way these characters have changed in their 15 odd years together. Their relationship has evolved in so many different ways. And isn't that what relationships ultimately do?

[Canemacar]

I like the way these characters have changed in their 15 odd years together. Their relationship has evolved in so many different ways. And isn't that what relationships ultimately do?

It hasn't changed in the slightest. The same issue they used to milk drama back in the 90's are the exact same ones being used today. It's recycled crap.

[Genosha]

It hasn't changed in the slightest. The same issue they used to milk drama back in the 90's are the exact same ones being used today. It's recycled crap.


Strange..................it doesn't feel totally recycled to me.

Rogue and Gambit always felt, to me at least, as the 2nd best developed intimate relationship behind Jean and Cyclops. It feels very epic.

I had recently took a quick perusal over their first "flirting" issues back in Claremont/Lee and its interesting to see the dichotomy between those first moments together and where they are now.

Its almost like a maturation process, personality-wise, based on their shared intense experiences for many years.

[Canemacar]

Strange..................it doesn't feel totally recycled to me.

Romy only has four plots.

1: Gambit's "mysterious" past and shadiness will keep them from being together.

2: ANGST! Rogue can't touch anyone.

3: Rogue almost screws this random guy because he can touch her.

4: Gambit cheats on Rogue.

It's just the same damn thing over and over again.

Rogue and Gambit always felt, to me at least, as the 2nd best developed intimate relationship behind Jean and Cyclops. It feels very epic.

It's a high school melodrama that got old over a decade ago.

I had recently took a quick perusal over their first "flirting" issues back in Claremont/Lee and its interesting to see the dichotomy between those first moments together and where they are now.

The only difference between then and now is that Gambit used to have testicles for a short time back then.

Its almost like a maturation process, personality-wise, based on their shared intense experiences for many years.

Maturity isn't exactly a word I'd use to describe Romy in any way, shape, or form. Except possibly as an antonym.

[Genosha]

Definitly some really good points.

Of course, I just feel like that type of relationship sort of seems real to me, despite being fictional and dealing with the comic-book universe they reside in.

Its almost like those 2 people you know who keep going back to each other despite all of the heartache and tramautic events that they have gone through.

Plus, I believe Gambit's personality has changed because of his relationship with Rogue. I still think he displays moments of bada**ness, but there is some more emotional complexity to him now that the writers want him to inhabit based on his connection to Rogue.

People go through personality changes when they are in relationships and I think Rogue and Gambit personify that. To some degree.

[Canemacar]

Its almost like those 2 people you know who keep going back to each other despite all of the heartache and tramautic events that they have gone through.

If two people I knew in RL had a Romy sort of romance, I'd step in and force them to stay away from each other and see a psychologist.

Plus, I believe Gambit's personality has changed because of his relationship with Rogue. I still think he displays moments of bada**ness, but there is some more emotional complexity to him now that the writers want him to inhabit based on his connection to Rogue.

The opposite. Gambit has been a complete joke since the turn of the century. Personality-wise, he's also gone from a complex, three-dimensional character to a harlequin romance cliche.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Of course, I just feel like that type of relationship sort of seems real to me

:wow: :wow: :wow:

'Real' is the very last adjective anyone has any business using while referring to Romy. Good God.

[UraniaChang]

I thought one of the reason that Romy still lives is because it's entirely fictional, and I prefer it that way. Thinking two RL people having a Romy-like relationship gives me creeps.

[Specter313]

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[Specter313]

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X-Men #205 will arrive in stores on Nov. 18 from Marvel Comics. The issue is written by Mike Carey, with art and cover by Chris Bachalo.

Here's how Marvel describes the issue:

"The X-Men take the battle to Sinister and his Marauders...but will everyone survive? Messiah Complex continues as Chapter Five of this X-Men event brings the X-Men face to face with their enemies on multiple fronts! As the New X-Men continue their battle against a shocking opponent and Cyclops' strike team seeks the new mutant child, could a threat closer to home spell the X-Men's end? Meanwhile, Layla and Madrox continue their secret mission to uncover the truth about mutant extinction. Plus, a last page shocker readers never saw coming that will shift the balance of power forever as the true whereabouts of the new mutant are revealed!"

X-Men #205 will be 32 pages and will cost $2.99

[Slant]

Looks like Cyke got cut off the cover.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I gotta say it again.

I know the cover is symbolic, but the cover's CAST is just INSANE. Not in the good sense.

Of all people involved, only TWO will physically take part in the same battle. :whatever:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Looks like Cyke got cut off the cover.

No big deal considering he'll spend the issue drinking coffee. Or tea. Whatever.

[Slant]

Of all people involved, only TWO will physically take part in the same battle.

And they'll be fighting each other to boot.

I guess a positive is at least Deathstrike won't trash that group, which would have been pretty awful.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

And they'll be fighting each other to boot.

Well, one of the two may think so rather than it actually happening.

[El Bastardo]

Yeah, I'd rather Bachalo have gone away period, Ramos have stayed on, and someone else gotten on NXM.

[Slant]

Well, one of the two may think so rather than it actually happening.
Yeah, that too.

But I really thought that cover was for one the later issues, what with who's on it and all.

Also, anyone else notice Colossus beating up on 4 women? Haha

[Genosha]

:wow: :wow: :wow:

'Real' is the very last adjective anyone has any business using while referring to Romy. Good God.


Yeah, maybe "real" wasn't the best of words to describe this.http://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon11.gif

I was just trying to think of ways to describe how people's personality changes sometimes when they are in a realtionship or had a strong bond with someone.

Thats the only thing I can think of when seeing the progression of Rogue and Gambit through the last 15 years.

It might be shoddy writing as well or not understanding a character's established personality. So, I could definitly see other people's viewpoints on this as well.

Oh, and sorry for bringing up the topic of this. Going back and reading over the last few pages, it looks like you guy's have already discussed this a lot.
Sorry.http://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon11.gif

(Sheepishly moves out of the way............)

[Havok83]

Yeah, I'd rather Bachalo have gone away period, Ramos have stayed on, and someone else gotten on NXM.
nah Ramos needs to stay away from the X-line or go back to Wolverine bc at least I didnt read that

[Specter313]

nah Ramos needs to stay away from the X-line or go back to Wolverine bc at least I didnt read that

Fortunately, after MC is over, he will be moving from the X-books. Unfortunately, the book he's going to ruin after these is Runaways. :down

[El Bastardo]

You know, I think I shall weather the Ramos hate with a new signature.

[iamlegend]

So a last page shocker about who has the baby...

And Lady Deathstrike is on the cover...

Is it too obvious to think that she's got it?

[Canemacar]

(Sheepishly moves out of the way............)

Don't worry about it. And I hope you weren't offended earlier.

[Mar420x]

lets make a bet..

MAGNETO HAS THE BABY

:wow:

[El Bastardo]

lets make a bet..

MAGNETO HAS THE BABY

:wow:
1. They said the parents are a bunch of nobodies.

2. Where are there even hints of that?

3. In what plane of existence does that even make intelligent sense?

[Slant]

Isn't he depowered too?

I mean, Sinister or Cyclops could just say "Gimme that" now that he's powerless.

[Mar420x]

1. They said the parents are a bunch of nobodies.

2. Where are there even hints of that?

3. In what plane of existence does that even make intelligent sense?
Plus, a last page shocker readers never saw coming that will shift the balance of power forever as the true whereabouts of the new mutant are revealed!"

its a good wild guess 4rom marvels description of x-men 205.

[Mar420x]

Isn't he depowered too?

I mean, Sinister or Cyclops could just say "Gimme that" now that he's powerless.

lol..

[Specter313]

1. They said the parents are a bunch of nobodies.

2. Where are there even hints of that?

3. In what plane of existence does that even make intelligent sense?

I'm sure what he means is that Magneto is the one who got to the baby first after it was born, not that he's the father.

Isn't he depowered too?

I mean, Sinister or Cyclops could just say "Gimme that" now that he's powerless.

He apparently got his powers back from the whole Collective thing in New Avengers.

[El Bastardo]

Plus, a last page shocker readers never saw coming that will shift the balance of power forever as the true whereabouts of the new mutant are revealed!"

its a good wild guess 4rom marvels description of x-men 205.
I'll give you that it's a wild guess, but it's not exactly a good one.

[El Bastardo]

I'm sure what he means is that Magneto is the one who got to the baby first after it was born, not that he's the father.
Oh, fair enough.

[Specter313]

Oh, fair enough.

Yeah, he is the one in possession of the whole prophecy book from the Morlocks in the last Uncanny arc, so he could have known about it before everyone else.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Still a bad guess.

[Mar420x]

so we get x-factor next wk? and then new x-men and x-men the week after? cant wait!
the 1st 2 books have been more like intros gearing up 2 what looks like a great story. its 13 chapters. =)

[El Bastardo]

Yeah, he is the one in possession of the whole prophecy book from the Morlocks in the last Uncanny arc, so he could have known about it before everyone else.
Yes, I do read it, kthxplzdrvthru.

[spectre]

i definitely get the feeling that something else is going on here. something bigger, i mean marvel's bashed us over the head with the following: first mutant baby born since m-day, x-men want to protect it, sinister wants to exploit it, purifiers want to kill it, predator x wants to eat it, also sinister has the marauders, acolytes, and reavers doing his dirtyworkdy. we all understand that. i get the feeling that there's somebody else working behind the scenes or something else going on here. in the latest uncanny x-men cyclops even says he feels like he's missing something.

and does anybody else think that madrox and layla are gonna be doing some time traveling. i think that mysterious cover with the closeup of the guy with the glowing red eyes is a future cyclops.

[UraniaChang]

and does anybody else think that madrox and layla are gonna be doing some time traveling. i think that mysterious cover with the closeup of the guy with the glowing red eyes is a future cyclops.

I don't know about the closeup, but a future Cyclops means it involves time-traveling and time-traveling tends to get messy if the writers can't handle it well.

[Canemacar]

I don't know about the closeup, but a future Cyclops means it involves time-traveling and time-traveling tends to get messy if the writers can't handle it well.

Especially as far as the Summers are concerned. :oldrazz:

[El Bastardo]

I don't know about the closeup, but a future Cyclops means it involves time-traveling and time-traveling tends to get messy if the writers can't handle it well.
I dunno, I'd trust the current writers to handle it just fine.

[Genosha]

I dunno.......time travel always worries me in X-Men stories.

Of course, it could be because I just can't seem to understand them.

Especially the Summer's ones..................they make my head dizzy.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

and does anybody else think that madrox and layla are gonna be doing some time traveling. i think that mysterious cover with the closeup of the guy with the glowing red eyes is a future cyclops.

Doubtful, but it would be pretty funny.


Jamie: Holy s**t. Summers, is that you?

Cyke: Maddrox?

Jame: What happened to you, man?

Cyke: Went evil. Killed bunch of people. You two included. Hi, Layla.

Jamie: Oh.

[Varient]

Especially as far as the Summers are concerned. :oldrazz:

Just "tends?"

LOL

On Cyke:
"bout time he started acting like he'd spent ten years raising a child,...."

[UraniaChang]

Other characters don't act like their age even when they don't have to spend ten years raising a child. *glare at Rogue*

[Rogue's Hand]

As long as Rogue emerges with a new set of powers I am good :woot:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

As long as Rogue emerges with a new set of powers I am good :woot:

Speaking of new set of powers/plot devices...

Remember how Joss got crap for the actual deus ex machina in Torn?

And yet Carey got a free pass for tweaking not one, but TWO characters' powers so the team could take down Hecatomb? Just saying. :D

[UraniaChang]

I guess there's no hope that she'll go back to have Ms. Marvel's abilities, some people think it's better that Rogue only has her original power, I'm not against the idea, but that will leave her at a huge disadvantage when fighting robots and enemies with long-ranged powers.

[Specter313]

I guess there's no hope that she'll go back to have Ms. Marvel's abilities, some people think it's better that Rogue only has her original power, I'm not against the idea, but that will leave her at a huge disadvantage when fighting robots and enemies with long-ranged powers.

That's where smart writing comes in. Have her use her training to get closer to the enemy, or do what she did in Carey's first issue and borrow powers from her teammates.

[Rogue's Hand]

That's where smart writing comes in. Have her use her training to get closer to the enemy, or do what she did in Carey's first issue and borrow powers from her teammates.With the effects of strain 88, I find that's going to be hard to do.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

but with one touch, they'll die. Either way, The first issue of Carey's run, Rogue was awesome with her powers.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

It made for a spectacular scene indeed.

Still, I still have a hard time believing Carey went on to JUSTIFY that Cyke's blasts had more to do with light and its properties than the blasts' actual concussive force. Oh well.

[UraniaChang]

That's where smart writing comes in. Have her use her training to get closer to the enemy, or do what she did in Carey's first issue and borrow powers from her teammates.

Doesn't doing that temporarily weaken those whom she absorbs?

It made for a spectacular scene indeed.

Still, I still have a hard time believing Carey went on to JUSTIFY that Cyke's blasts had more to do with light and its properties than the blasts' actual concussive force. Oh well.

He did that? :wow:

It's more than the sometimes twisted use of his powers, even the Cyke's blasts travel at the speed of light makes more sense than this.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

He did that? :wow:

It's more than the sometimes twisted use of his powers, even the Cyke's blasts travel at the speed of light makes more sense than this.

Just read the thing once a while back, but yeah, there was something suspiciously ressembling a technical explanation on his blog, if I recall correctly?

[OutcryX]

i dont think carey can write a good cyclops especially if it means making rogue less bad a$$ in comparison

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

i dont think carey can write a good cyclops especially if it means making rogue less bad a$$ in comparison

Speaking of things that crack me up...

Most of the current x-writers actually love Cyke, but have been having a blast abusing him, right? Imagine the meeting during which the editors finally told them the specifics of Unstoppable's conclusion...


Bru: Wait, lemme get this straight. He volunteers to DIE and get tortured for hours so he can blast the f**k out of a POWERLORD of all things?

NL: Yup.

Bru: OMG, I had him TALK tough and EVICT Xavier!!!

Carey: I had him blast Prism and, huh, a GUN. F**k.

[OutcryX]

yeah.... complete 180 degree change of pace for carey and bru....now they have to take the stick out of cyke's arse and unleash the sh_tstorm that he will be bringing to whiny brats and badguys alike

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

You'll laugh your ass off at X-Factor 25. PAD did it and he's the one's portrayed Cyke the worst (read: big meanie to Jamie & Cie) so far. :D

[The Englishman]

Has there been any previews released for X-Men #205 yet??

[Specter313]

Go back about two pages.

[The Englishman]

:wow: Oh yeah, how did i manage to miss that??

[The Englishman]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0711/07/xmen2057.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0711/07/xmen2058.jpg




To me this artwork Jarrs with the rest of the artwork in the other books. They should have just had Tan, Eaton and Silvestri doing the interior artwork.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

It does.

Although I gotta give mad props for that awesome panel of Sinister.

I gotta wonder, though, is it the colorist who worked with Ramos over the last year?

Art is pure Ramos, but the coloring seems to be more in line with what was in the other books. Oh well.

[spark627]

It does.

Although I gotta give mad props for that awesome panel of Sinister.

I gotta wonder, though, is it the colorist who worked with Ramos over the last year?

Art is pure Ramos, but the coloring seems to be more in line with what was in the other books. Oh well.

pure ramos... except its bachalo

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

pure ramos... except its bachalo

Huh. My bad, I guess. Bachallo on Adjectiveless and Ramos on NXM for the crossover, right?

But anyway, I was saying it's still pretty cartoony a la Ramos/Bachalo but the coloring is more in line with what's in the other books. Thus kinda diluting the cartoonish vibe.

Oh, and the whole Bachalo >>> Ramos thingy, I guess.

Edit: Funny thing is, the coloring did very little in that NXM preview. Guess the Bachalo variable had more weight. Oh well.

[proteus]

Been away for awhile. Is it true that X-Men has been canceled? :csad:

[iamlegend]

Been away for awhile. Is it true that X-Men has been canceled? :csad:

It started as a rumor.... but a lot of folks are starting to accept it as fact. There've been hints about it, and it's confirmed that Carey is moving on to a different X-Men project.

[Xmenfan527]

GIANT-SIZE ASTONISHING X-MEN #1
Written by JOSS WHEDON
Pencils & Wraparound Cover by JOHN CASSADAY
Too big to be contained in a normal issue, the grand finale of Joss Whedon (Buffy, Firefly) and John Cassaday's (CAPTAIN AMERICA, Planetary) landmark run is right here! The powerlords of Breakworld bring the fight to Earth. Can the X-Men (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12414#) stop them from destroying the whole planet? Will the Avengers join their fight? What we do know is this: one of the X-Men won't walk away from this fight. Plus spotlight interviews with Whedon and Cassaday!
64 PGS./Rated T+ ...$4.99

http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/marvelcomics/200802/previews/sm/UNCANNYXMEN_495.jpg (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=solicits/marvelcomics/200802/previews/UNCANNYXMEN_495.jpg) UNCANNY X-MEN #495
Written by ED BRUBAKER
Pencils & Cover by MICHAEL CHOI
"DIVIDED WE STAND"
Reeling from the events of Messiah Complex, the surviving mutants reassess Xavier's dream amidst the rubble of the mansion. Betrayed by one of their own, and mourning the loss of former allies, is peaceful coexistence still an option? The only thing that's certain is an uncertain future for mutantkind. Is anyone safe in a world without
32 PGS./Rated T+...$2.99

http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/marvelcomics/200802/previews/sm/XMEN208_COV.jpg (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=solicits/marvelcomics/200802/previews/XMEN208_COV.jpg) X-MEN: LEGACY #208
Written by MIKE CAREY
Penciled by SCOT EATON
Cover by DAVID FINCH
"LEGACY"
CLASSIFIED UNTIL THE END OF MESSIAH COMPLEX.
32 PGS./Rated A...$2.99

http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/marvelcomics/200802/previews/sm/XFORCE_1_COV.jpg (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=solicits/marvelcomics/200802/previews/XFORCE_1_COV.jpg) X-FORCE #1
Written by CRAIG KYLE & CHRISTOPHER YOST
Art and Cover by CLAYTON CRAIN (Also Bloody Variant Available)
Variant Cover by TRAVIS CHAREST
"ANGELS AND DEMONS" Part 1 (of 6)
There are lines that the X-Men have sworn never to cross. But after the shocking events of "Messiah Complex," Cyclops realizes that some enemies need to be dealt with permanently... and the X-Men can never know about it. Enter WOLVERINE, WARPATH, X-23 and WOLFSBANE...X-FORCE.
32 PGS./Parental Advisory ...$2.99

http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/marvelcomics/200802/previews/sm/XFACT028_COV.jpg (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=solicits/marvelcomics/200802/previews/XFACT028_COV.jpg) X-FACTOR #28
Written by PETER DAVID
Penciled by PABLO RAIMONDI
Cover by GLENN FABRY
A DIVIDED WE STAND tie-in!
Following the events of MESSIAH COMPLEX, X-Factor Investigations is in shambles. Jamie is a basketcase from his trip to a nightmarish future, Layla's fate is completely in the air, and Wolfsbane has to leave the team to join X-FORCE, though none of her friends can know about it. What will Wolfsbane tell the X-Factor team? What are they going to do about Layla? How is Jamie coping with his guilt? Get onboard here for X-Factor's brand-new direction!
32 PGS./Rated T+...$2.99

[Colossal Spoons]

Damn, I'm sooo ecxited for the X-book post-MC!

[spark627]

I really wanna know about X-Men: Legacy, it looks like X-Men isn't cancelled, it jsut becomes Legacy

[Colossal Spoons]

If it's about the original 5 then I'm dropping it.

[Specter313]

Edit

[Specter313]

http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/marvelcomics/200802/previews/XMEN208_COV.jpg

X-MEN: LEGACY #208
Written by MIKE CAREY
Penciled by SCOT EATON
Cover by DAVID FINCH
"LEGACY"
CLASSIFIED UNTIL THE END OF MESSIAH COMPLEX.
32 PGS./Rated A...$2.99

[proteus]

It started as a rumor.... but a lot of folks are starting to accept it as fact. There've been hints about it, and it's confirmed that Carey is moving on to a different X-Men project.

Ok, thanks a lot.

[aaron]

eww

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/marvelcomics/200802/previews/XMEN208_COV.jpg

X-MEN: LEGACY #208
Written by MIKE CAREY
Penciled by SCOT EATON
Cover by DAVID FINCH
"LEGACY"
CLASSIFIED UNTIL THE END OF MESSIAH COMPLEX.
32 PGS./Rated A...$2.99
Yeah, they're keeping the numbering.

[Valechan]

This cover means ... what? Charly X is alone and reminescing about the past? Will this be Charles alone title??? I would soooo buy that

[spiderfan85]

Since this a 12 month event, I'm assuming that Legacy will have covers that will depict X-men from the very beginning to the present. I doubt the covers say anything about what it's about. It sure looks like Xavier will leave the X-men and be the main figure in Legacy.

[iamlegend]

I think it's supposed to be Prof. X and a widely varying ensemble group...

Since Carey's involved Rogue will probably be around. And probably some C-Listers (he loves 'em, ya know?).

And if Gambit goes anywhere it'll be here, because Carey said he wanted to do some stuff with Gambit's origin... and none of the other writers want Gambit.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Meh, they might as well call the book "Cyke is such a meanie support group" :D

Could still be fun, though.

[iamlegend]

Meh, they might as well call the book "Cyke is such a meanie support group" :D

Could still be fun, though.

As long as Carey doesn't include UBER ROXOR Mystique, Lady M, or Karima he might be able to turn this into a damn interesting read.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

This cover means ... what? Charly X is alone and reminescing about the past? Will this be Charles alone title??? I would soooo buy that
I hope so. That Mother****er started this ****. They better show some respect!

[OutcryX]

Or he could just go in their minds and MAKE them respect him.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

But that'd be wrong. Hell, even Emma wouldn't do that.

[OutcryX]

if something's wrong...would that make it not right? ponder that. lol.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

If it hasn't been posted in the past, A Carey interview...

http://www.livewireworld.com/review/interviews.htm

[The Englishman]

GIANT-SIZE ASTONISHING X-MEN #1
Written by JOSS WHEDON
Pencils & Wraparound Cover by JOHN CASSADAY
Too big to be contained in a normal issue, the grand finale of Joss Whedon (Buffy, Firefly) and John Cassaday's (CAPTAIN AMERICA, Planetary) landmark run is right here! The powerlords of Breakworld bring the fight to Earth. Can the X-Men (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12414#) stop them from destroying the whole planet? Will the Avengers join their fight? What we do know is this: one of the X-Men won't walk away from this fight. Plus spotlight interviews with Whedon and Cassaday!
64 PGS./Rated T+ ...$4.99

http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/marvelcomics/200802/previews/sm/UNCANNYXMEN_495.jpg (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=solicits/marvelcomics/200802/previews/UNCANNYXMEN_495.jpg) UNCANNY X-MEN #495
Written by ED BRUBAKER
Pencils & Cover by MICHAEL CHOI
"DIVIDED WE STAND"
Reeling from the events of Messiah Complex, the surviving mutants reassess Xavier's dream amidst the rubble of the mansion. Betrayed by one of their own, and mourning the loss of former allies, is peaceful coexistence still an option? The only thing that's certain is an uncertain future for mutantkind. Is anyone safe in a world without
32 PGS./Rated T+...$2.99

http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/marvelcomics/200802/previews/sm/XMEN208_COV.jpg (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=solicits/marvelcomics/200802/previews/XMEN208_COV.jpg) X-MEN: LEGACY #208
Written by MIKE CAREY
Penciled by SCOT EATON
Cover by DAVID FINCH
"LEGACY"
CLASSIFIED UNTIL THE END OF MESSIAH COMPLEX.
32 PGS./Rated A...$2.99

http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/marvelcomics/200802/previews/sm/XFORCE_1_COV.jpg (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=solicits/marvelcomics/200802/previews/XFORCE_1_COV.jpg) X-FORCE #1
Written by CRAIG KYLE & CHRISTOPHER YOST
Art and Cover by CLAYTON CRAIN (Also Bloody Variant Available)
Variant Cover by TRAVIS CHAREST
"ANGELS AND DEMONS" Part 1 (of 6)
There are lines that the X-Men have sworn never to cross. But after the shocking events of "Messiah Complex," Cyclops realizes that some enemies need to be dealt with permanently... and the X-Men can never know about it. Enter WOLVERINE, WARPATH, X-23 and WOLFSBANE...X-FORCE.
32 PGS./Parental Advisory ...$2.99

http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/marvelcomics/200802/previews/sm/XFACT028_COV.jpg (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=solicits/marvelcomics/200802/previews/XFACT028_COV.jpg) X-FACTOR #28
Written by PETER DAVID
Penciled by PABLO RAIMONDI
Cover by GLENN FABRY
A DIVIDED WE STAND tie-in!
Following the events of MESSIAH COMPLEX, X-Factor Investigations is in shambles. Jamie is a basketcase from his trip to a nightmarish future, Layla's fate is completely in the air, and Wolfsbane has to leave the team to join X-FORCE, though none of her friends can know about it. What will Wolfsbane tell the X-Factor team? What are they going to do about Layla? How is Jamie coping with his guilt? Get onboard here for X-Factor's brand-new direction!
32 PGS./Rated T+...$2.99

So still no reviews of New Excalibur, whats happening with that, i thought Paul Cornell was taking over as writer and they were getting a new lineup?

[Xmenfan527]

The new female character - is that a brand new character of your own creation or someone who's just fairly new in comics terms, and fairly new to the X-Men?
The latter. Someone recently introduced who I find very compelling, and whose backstory has never really been more than hinted at.

im thinking maybe he's referring to blindfold?? maybe. what dou guys think??

[OutcryX]

its either gonna be Karima or Layla Miller

[Havok83]

So this book isnt ending or getting renumbered? Its just getting another name change like with New X-men? Not liking it but thank goodness its not either of the former 2

[bengan]

I think that Legacy will be a short story after messiah complex, that tells the story about X-mens past and where they are today. After Legacy, the book will end.

[Havok83]

I think that Legacy will be a short story after messiah complex, that tells the story about X-mens past and where they are today. After Legacy, the book will end.
or go back to being X-men.

[squeekness]

I think that Legacy will be a short story after messiah complex, that tells the story about X-mens past and where they are today. After Legacy, the book will end.Isn't that too similar to First Class?

[Colossal Spoons]

Spec says it's just a name change w/ Xavier being the focus

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Haven't there been some interview saying that the book being a MAXI was the original plan but they'll keep it as an ungoing?

[Specter313]

http://images.comicbookresources.com/news/x-position/27/XMEN205a_dc.jpg

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http://images.comicbookresources.com/news/x-position/27/XMEN-205_P07.jpg

[Specter313]

http://images.comicbookresources.com/news/x-position/27/XMEN-205_P08.jpg

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