Official X-MEN: LEGACY Discussion Thread

[Specter313]

This cover makes me dazzle.

I wonder whether Cable would be taking this kid to his series or not, and this baby mystery likely won't be solved in MC.

Well, the baby is pretty prominently featured in the cover and previews for its first issue, so I'd say yes.

[TromaFreak64]

i assumed we all knew that by now? Urania have you been ignoring the solicits again!?

[UraniaChang]

I don't read C&D, so yeah, I don't know about the solicits.

[kguillou]

Am I the only only who feels a little disappointed by Messiah Complex? I mean, dont get me wrong, i enjoyed it and it was entertaining but i feel like it's barely answered any questions at all, if anything it only raised more. This whole thing has been one big race to get the baby and it doesnt look like next week's finale is gonna answer any questions about the baby. So far i dont really see how this "event" is gonna fundamentally change the X-Men.

[spiderfan85]

Variant Cover of X-Men #207
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Regular Cover of X-Men #207
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[Snikt 6]

^Who is Wolvie hacking on the second cover? Is that Bishop? And didnt Vertigo get like, eaten and stuff?

[Snikt 6]

Am I the only only who feels a little disappointed by Messiah Complex? I mean, dont get me wrong, i enjoyed it and it was entertaining but i feel like it's barely answered any questions at all, if anything it only raised more. This whole thing has been one big race to get the baby and it doesnt look like next week's finale is gonna answer any questions about the baby. So far i dont really see how this "event" is gonna fundamentally change the X-Men.

Yep, your the only one.

[Specter313]

Yeah, that's Bishop and Vertigo. I guess Finch didn't get all the memos of who's bit it over the various issues, since he's got Prism on there too.

[Havok83]

^Who is Wolvie hacking on the second cover? Is that Bishop? And didnt Vertigo get like, eaten and stuff?
yes she did, but she'll be back

[Snikt 6]

^But if Sinister REALLY is dead...she might not be.

[Havok83]

^But if Sinister REALLY is dead...she might not be.
nah Sinister will be back to. He's "died" before and come back so I wouldnt expect anything less for the future

[ProfeZZor X]

Spoilers for X-Men #207

Issue starts off with a showdown between Bishop, Cable, and Pred X. As Cable is holding the baby, Bishop fires his gun at Cable. Cable ducks the blasts. Pred X then charges at Bish, as Bish fires rounds at it...until he runs out of bullets, and Pred X pounces on him. Really looks as if Bishop was killed here, but stay tuned.

Meanwhile, it's World War 3 on Muir Island, as the battle rages on between the X-Men and everyone else. Cyke sends X-Force after Pred X, and tells Emma to send the New X-Men into battle with the Marauders. Emma seems dumbfounded because she already told them to stay at the kiddy table and let the adults handle business. Cyke rationalizes things by saying that the Marauders are prepared to fight the X-Men...but not the New X-Men.

Cyke finds Cable and tells him to give up the baby. Cable takes aim, but Cyke calls his bluff and states Cable would not kill him. Xavier backs up Cyke and tells Cable to give Scott the baby.

Rogue finally wipes the crust from her eyes. Mystique starts going on and on about how Destiny predicted all this, and that she did all of this to save Rogue's life. When Mystique mentions how she used the baby, Rogue freaks out and calls Mystique out on her ruthlessness...and de-gloves.

Battle continues to rage on outside. Cool scene where Omega Malice is beating down Pixie...just when Malice thinks she has the upper hand, Pixie breaks out her soul dagger and gutts her. Pixie is gutta.

Emma is battling Exodus in psychic combat to a stalemate. Exodus then realizes he's been breathing in Dust and falls to the ground. Dust says she takes no pleasure in this...Emma responds by saying she takes enough pleasure in it for the both of them. Pow.

Cable gives up the baby to Cyke. Rogue touches Mystique, I guess, intending to kill her. Rogue says she'll always "remember" her.

During a battle going nowhere with Pred X, Wolverine goes all Wolverine, literally jumps into Pred X's mouth and gutts that thing from the inside out.

Eerie scene between the mysterious red-haired, green-eyed baby and Cyke. The baby grabs Cyke's necklace with the picture of him and Jean.

Rogue tells Remy that she didn't kill Mystique, and she just now realizes the baby wiped her slate clean. She was freed of strain 88 and all the memories she absorbed...which sucks, because now she has Mystique running around in her head. She runs off, telling Gabmit not to follow. Yeah, right. Rogue/Gambit angst is alive and well.

Cyke gives the baby back to Cable and tells him to let her be herself...let her be free...not a pawn in someone else's game. Cable leaves.

Remember Bishop? He goes all Wanda, and fires at Cable as he ports out...and nails Professor X in his head. The X-Men stand over Charles' dead(?) body and Cyke states there are no more X-Men.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Yeah, that's Bishop and Vertigo. I guess Finch didn't get all the memos of who's bit it over the various issues, since he's got Prism on there too.

That's one just too freakin funny. Being one issue behind is one thing, but... a guy who bit it off-panel BEFORE the very first issue. Geez.

[Colossal Spoons]

Is Mystique about to slit Warpath's throat?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Just a cover, man. My bet is Blue will spend the issue moaning over Rogue rather than do any fighting.

And just for the record, she's about to blow his brains out. He's the one holding the blade. That's MC Mysti-physics for ya yet again.

[The Englishman]

That's one just too freakin funny. Being one issue behind is one thing, but... a guy who bit it off-panel BEFORE the very first issue. Geez.
Thats why i think it's Iceman and not Prism....

[iamlegend]

nah Sinister will be back to. He's "died" before and come back so I wouldnt expect anything less for the future

Ha.

Half the characters on that cover have "died" before. Marvel's real good at making death become just a minor annoyance.

[Specter313]

Thats why i think it's Iceman and not Prism....

But again, it doesn't make sense for it to be Iceman because Nightcrawler just KICKED HIM IN THE FACE.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

But again, it doesn't make sense for it to be Iceman because Nightcrawler just KICKED HIM IN THE FACE.

Well, it *IS* Bobby.

Bobby: Kurt, the hell? You just kicked me in the face!!

Kurt: Oh, sorry, my bad.

Bobby: That was no accident!

Kurt: Fine, then. That was for you being a brat back in the days.

Bobby: Back in the days! As in 'years ago'!! Look at what I've been doing in Adjectiveless!! That hardly qualifies as...

Kurt: You do NOT want to bring the Dreamboat thingy in front of me.

Bobby: Dreamboat? What do you... Oh, I get it. Really, as if it was my fault Bru felt everyone but you should...

*KICKS*

:woot: :woot: :woot:

[Colossal Spoons]

Just a cover, man. My bet is Blue will spend the issue moaning over Rogue rather than do any fighting.

And just for the record, she's about to blow his brains out. He's the one holding the blade. That's MC Mysti-physics for ya yet again.

Yeah, not sayin any of that will happen in the book, was just wondering what was goin on :up:

[Slant]

Well, it *IS* Bobby.

Bobby: Kurt, the hell? You just kicked me in the face!!

Kurt: Oh, sorry, my bad.

Bobby: That was no accident!

Kurt: Fine, then. That was for you being a brat back in the days.

Bobby: Back in the days! As in 'years ago'!! Look at what I've been doing in Adjectiveless!! That hardly qualifies as...

Kurt: You do NOT want to bring the Dreamboat thingy in front of me.

Bobby: Dreamboat? What do you... Oh, I get it. Really, as if it was my fault Bru felt everyone but you should...

*KICKS*

:woot: :woot: :woot:
Not to mention he slept with his mother.

[Colossal Spoons]

Ha! Who hasn't?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Not to mention he slept with his mother.

Kurt would probably offer him a sympathy drink rather than beat the crap out of him.

[Slant]

Nah, he'd prolly beat the crap out him.

Its one thing for it to be someone like Logan, or even Creed, but BOBBY?!

[The Englishman]

Nah, he'd prolly beat the crap out him.

Its one thing for it to be someone like Logan, or even Creed, but BOBBY?!
Leave Iceman alone!!!! :cmad:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Nah, he'd prolly beat the crap out him.

Its one thing for it to be someone like Logan, or even Creed, but BOBBY?!

You're saying that as if Bobby knew better. :D

[DJSCARLET]

i feel sorry for any bobbyxrogue fans, can anyone actually see those two get together now? even if rogue somehow managed to control her powers, its never going to happen in 616.

Rogue: what is it?
Bobby:...uh...never mind.
Rogue: What?
Bobby: well, thats not how your mom used to do it.

[UraniaChang]

Maybe Bobby should date Aunt May, at least she is a nice lady and will bake cookies for him instead of stab him in the back.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Maybe Bobby should date Aunt May, at least she is a nice lady and will bake cookies for him instead of stab him in the back.

Isn't she dead or something?

[Canemacar]

Isn't she dead or something?

That was a joke, right?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

That was a joke, right?

Wasn't she in an hopital ward dying or something back in early '07?

[TromaFreak64]

dark did you MISS Brand New Day??? And the most F-ed up thing Marvel ever did or something???

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

dark did you MISS Brand New Day??? And the most F-ed up thing Marvel ever did or something???
Well, for one I stopped giving a s**t about Spidey a while back. Don't hate the bloke, just ain't interested.

With all the uproar about BND, I stayed the hell away from it. All I know is MJ and Pete aren't married anymore. Dunno about the specifics.

Figured it was just MJ coming to her senses...?

[iamlegend]

Well, for one I stopped giving a s**t about Spidey a while back. Don't hate the bloke, just ain't interested.

With all the uproar about BND, I stayed the hell away from it. All I know is MJ and Pete aren't married anymore. Dunno about the specifics.

Figured it was just MJ coming to her senses...?

Nah man. For the most part, BND is a big F*** you to every dedicated Spider-Man fan that read the last twenty or so years of stories...

[UraniaChang]

Glad that I didn't read them.

[Valechan]

I read it OMD and cried a lot, it was very sad... I was also very drunk at the time so...

[Canemacar]

Nah man. For the most part, BND is a big F*** you to every dedicated Spider-Man fan that read the last twenty or so years of stories...

It couldn't be more grating if the whole comic had Joe Q himself in it saying he's getting rid of the marriage because he liked Pete better single back when was a lad.

[iamlegend]

It couldn't be more grating if the whole comic had Joe Q himself in it saying he's getting rid of the marriage because he liked Pete better single back when was a lad.

It wasn't just the marriage though... In the end it erased EVERYTHING about Pete.

His new powers, public knowledge of his identity, most of his relationships, the LIFE/DEATH STATUS OF VILLAINS!

I mean, what the hell? They erased EVERYTHING. I dropped the whole franchise because of it.

Why'd they even bother with Ult Spidey when they were just going to reboot the normal one?

[OutcryX]

dont worry. Quesada wont be there forever...Spiderman will regain everything that he lost and all the 20 years of history will come back and he will take his rightful place as leader of the X-Men..wait..Spiderman isnt an X-Man...or even a mutant...therefore...moving on to more X-Men related stuff...

[BoredGuy]

Yea i don't ever read spidey, and I'm fairly miffed about that. Aunt May is ****ing OLD! she's gunna die soon no matter what! stick with the hot wife and let the old lady move on to a better place....

But yeah, x-men is way better (especially right now!) I almost feel bad for the spidey fans... OMD v. MC??? no competition

[Snikt 6]

dont worry. Quesada wont be there forever...Spiderman will regain everything that he lost and all the 20 years of history will come back and he will take his rightful place as leader of the X-Men..wait..Spiderman isnt an X-Man...or even a mutant...therefore...moving on to more X-Men related stuff...

Ha...good stuff. Just glad Q didnt jack the X up TOO bad.

[04nbod]

Not to mention he slept with his mother.

OMG! i need to see that conversation between bobby, nightcrawler and rogue :lmao:

[Specter313]

X-MEN: LEGACY #210
Written by MIKE CAREY
Penciled by SCOT EATON
Cover by DAVID FINCH
*Solicit classified until 1/24/2008*
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

[Varient]

i feel sorry for any bobbyxrogue fans, can anyone actually see those two get together now? even if rogue somehow managed to control her powers, its never going to happen in 616.

harsh.

R there any "Pure" X-men left w/o issues, mental problems, or an inability to keep to one OPP at a time?


Based on their history,.. I was surprised Bobby could get it up with Mystique.

[Specter313]

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X-MEN: LEGACY #210
Written by MIKE CAREY
Penciled by SCOT EATON
Cover by DAVID FINCH
In the wake of Messiah CompleX, there are no X-Men and mutantkind still lies in ruin. With Magneto depowered and Xavier gravely injured, it seems their reign as the preeminent mutants has ended. But neither of these old soldiers is willing to go gentle into that good night, as Exodus learns when he squares off against Xavier on the psychic plane, with the fate of Professor X's mind at stake.
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

[UraniaChang]

Hellfire Club...this title really looks like a reminiscence to me.

[OutcryX]

so he isnt dead...guess it takes more than a bullet(plasma blast?) to the brain to kill good ole Chuck...and since when is magneto depowered? thought he regained them?

[UraniaChang]

It's a 'Once upon a time' story, so they have to go way back to the time when Magneto was still depowered.

[Specter313]

It's a 'Once upon a time' story, so they have to go way back to the time when Magneto was still depowered.

Uh, no it's not. It's still set in the present. They've said so about the book, that it will be set in the present, but draw on inspiration from past stories and make new revelations about them.

[TromaFreak64]

Uh, no it's not. It's still set in the present. They've said so about the book, that it will be set in the present, but draw on inspiration from past stories and make new revelations about them.

Yeah it is present. Xavier is not dead, but he is fighting to survive.

[spark627]

ugh, I want to know who the baby is and what she is. So frustrating.

[Specter313]

Who said the baby even has to be anyone in particular? It makes her more interesting to be her own person.

[spark627]

scott clearly saw something in her and is it just a coincidence that she has red hair and grabbed scott's locket?

[Specter313]

scott clearly saw something in her and is it just a coincidence that she has red hair and grabbed scott's locket?

What Scott saw in her was the time when he had to give up his own child to save his life, hence the flashback immediately after. And no, she does not have red hair. She is a strawberry BLONDE, which the editors have cleared up for awhile now.

[Havok83]

I HATE Bishop. They have offiically managed to ruin him for me

I was also disappointed with Bachalo's art. I usually love it but too much was going on and he just doesnt have the details to express it. he's great with splash shots and still scenes but not so much with the action

And why did they leave the baby's identity ambiguous? I thought it would be revealed here but they still have not confirmed it. It was strongly hinted at being Jean but they didnt say so

[iamlegend]

I HATE Bishop. They have offiically managed to ruin him for me

I was also disappointed with Bachalo's art. I usually love it but too much was going on and he just doesnt have the details to express it. he's great with splash shots and still scenes but not so much with the action

And why did they leave the baby's identity ambiguous? I thought it would be revealed here but they still have not confirmed it. It was strongly hinted at being Jean but they didnt say so

They wouldn't reveal the baby's ID for multiple reasons...

One being that it has no identity, meaning they were telling the truth when they said it really was just an entirely new character (AKA not Jean).

The second would be so there'd still be something to read about in the Cable series.

And how'd they ruin Bishop's character? Outside of a few things that weren't written all that fantastically, this arc may have made me like the character even more.

[Havok83]

They wouldn't reveal the baby's ID for multiple reasons...

One being that it has no identity, meaning they were telling the truth when they said it really was just an entirely new character (AKA not Jean).

The second would be so there'd still be something to read about in the Cable series.

And how'd they ruin Bishop's character? Outside of a few things that weren't written all that fantastically, this arc may have made me like the character even more.
shooting, and pretty much near killing Xavier did it for me. He looked crazy in teh latest issue and hate how he's been in this story

[OutcryX]

i want him to get a cool cybernetic arm and F_CK CABLE UP!!! The baby is a doom bringer and MUST DIE DIE DIE!!!!

Bishop ROXOR!!

.....seriously though. I loves me sum Bishop

that and he didn't intend to shoot Xavier in the head...that bullet was meant for Cable

[iamlegend]

shooting, and pretty much near killing Xavier did it for me. He looked crazy in teh latest issue and hate how he's been in this story

Eh, he didn't intend to kill Xavier.

He's just trying to prevent a dark future from coming to pass. The same thing Cable's trying to do, but in a different fashion.

[Havok83]

that and he didn't intend to shoot Xavier in the head...that bullet was meant for Cable
and look who I have as my avatar. He tried to kill and nearly killed people I like including that baby assuming it is Jean. It doesnt matter if he didnt intend to shoot Xavier in the head bc the fact is he did. Bishop can go to hell

He's just trying to prevent a dark future from coming to pass. The same thing Cable's trying to do, but in a different fashion.yeah, but Cable isnt trying to murder his teammates.

[OutcryX]

Bishop wasn't trying to murder his teammates either...just the evil little bundle of doom. and I'm sorry your Avatar is of a character that sucks, Bishop SHOULD have killed Cable dammit.

[spiderfan85]

Carey finally reveals X-Men: Legacy. Spoilers ahead.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12806

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=144291

[Specter313]

Spoiler Alert - The following interview contains major spoilers concerning the end of “X-Men” #207. You’ve been warned.


People often wonder how much impact one man’s dream can have upon a world. If the dreamer is a man like Charles Xavier, the answer is a tremendous amount. Xavier’s dream of a peaceful and cooperative co-existence between humans and mutants lead to the creation of one of the Marvel Universe’s most enduring and beloved superhero teams, The X-Men.

Now in the wake of “Messiah CompleX,” the epic multi-part X-books crossover which wrapped up yesterday, Charles Xavier will embark upon a quest to examine how his dream has affected both the past and the present. Xavier’s quest is detailed in the pages of “X-Men: Legacy,” a new series that takes the place of the adjective-less “X-Men” title, but keeps its old numbering. CBR News spoke with “Legacy” writer Mike Carey about the series, which kicks off on February 27th with issue #208.

Given the events of “X-Men” #207, the climatic chapter of “Messiah CompleX,” which saw Xavier shot in the head, some may be wondering how he can star in his own series, but Carey advises readers to pay careful attention to the last panel on page 29 of that issue. “No, you’re not crazy. Xavier’s body has gone missing,” he told CBR News. “And it looks like nobody has immediately noticed. Something very strange is going on there.”

Carey couldn’t reveal what exactly is going on in that mysterious panel and the following page, which fades to black, but “X-Men: Legacy” begins almost immediately after those events, spinning directly out of “Messiah CompleX.” “The crisis we find Xavier in at the beginning of the book is the result of those closing scenes,” said Carey.

“This is a story that looks in the rearview mirror while still traveling forward,” Carey continued. “I mean that in the broader sense. We’re putting the past into the context of recent events and things do change. We’re not taking a trip down memory lane; ‘Legacy’ launches from the past and into the present in some very unexpected ways.

“Most of the past events we’re looking at are canonical. There are revelations, but they’re about things we already know; things which are already out there on the table.”

In addition to looking at famous past events, “Legacy” will check in with stories from the X-Men’s history which may have been forgotten. “There are some things over the years that have been left open and unfinished,” Carey said. “We’re going to go back in and sort of finish them or at least move them forward.”

The events Xavier examines in “Legacy” aren’t just from the pasts of teams he’s lead or worked with. The series looks at the history of all the X-teams past and present, even those Xavier may have had a smaller role in.

While looking backward may be occasionally fun and informative, Xavier has an ultimate goal for his exploration into the X-Men’s past. “He’s searching for something,” Carey stated. “We define what he’s after in the opening arc and move forward from there in a number of different ways.
“Initially we’ll see him with the Acolytes and with Omega Sentinel,” Carey continued. “And then a major villain from the X-Men’s past appears at the end of the first issue to put the cat among the pigeons.”

The characters that Xavier crosses paths with in “Legacy,” be they hero or villain, will all appear for very specific reasons. “It’s not going to be people jumping out of the woodwork trying to attack Xavier because he’s weak,” Carey remarked. “Again there’s an over-riding purpose to these encounters, a goal he’s trying to achieve.”

That journey Xavier takes will eventually lead him to one of X-Men fans’ favorite couples. “We briefly glimpse Rogue in the first arc,” Carey said. “But it’s not until the second or third arc that Gambit and Rogue become essential to what’s happening.”

Charles Xavier is the only regular cast member of “X-Men: Legacy.” All the other characters will rotate in and out of the book, but as Xavier’s investigation into the past progresses, it will start to stir things up. “Once they realize what he’s doing and see how they fit into things whether for good or ill, we’ll start to see characters seeking Xavier out,” Carey explained. “So initially it’s Xavier’s agenda driving things but that will change as things move forward.”

“Legacy” will put Xavier into contact with many X-Men, but not all of them will be happy to see their former mentor. “The series begins with Xavier both physically separated from the X-Men and not reconciled with them,” Carey said. “I think the breech that’s opened between them is one you that you can’t imagine will be healed quickly or easily. But this is also a series that changes the status quo and ultimately we’ll look at the various teams of mutants he’s taught. And we’ll move those situations forwards in fairly significant ways.”

A rotating team of artists, which initially includes John Romita Jr. and Scott Eaton, will help Carey bring “Legacy” to life. “I think because we are telling a story that spins out of 40 odd years of real time and that sort of takes in the whole of X-Men continuity, to do the book throughout in one consistent style would seem to be chimerical,” Carey explained. “‘Legacy’ needs to be done in a way that reflects the range of interpretations that the X-Men have had over the decades. There needs to be a richness and diversity to it. You can look for explorations of different eras to have different styles, but we’re not talking straight homage.”

“X-Men: Legacy” is a book which will reward readers of “Messiah CompleX,” but it’s also a book that’s friendly both to new readers and long time X-Men fans who may not have picked up a book in awhile. “It stands on its own,” Carey stated. “You can come to it without knowing what was going on prior and still get the gist. I’ve spoken to a couple of people who have approached it from that angle and haven’t balked at it.”
“X-Men: Legacy” is an ongoing series which will continue for the foreseeable future. Carey already has the first year of Charles Xavier’s adventures nailed down and they’ll shake the X-Men’s corner of the Marvel Universe to the core. “There will definitely be positive and negative fallout from what Xavier is doing,” Carey said. “People will be pulled in and there will be a range of reactions and feelings. Expect to revisit a lot of iconic moments and iconic characters, but also expect some surprises and revelations.”

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[Specter313]

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http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12806

[Specter313]

This week, Marvel’s mutants, the X-Men, saw their latest batch of crises, the Messiah Complex, come to a close. The end of X-Men #207 marks not only the end of the event running through all the X-books but it apparently marks the end of the X-Men themselves.

Don’t run out and cancel your subscriptions yet, readers.

On February 28th, the 15 year old, formerly ‘adjective free’ X-Men title is getting a facelift as well as a new direction with mutant guru Mike Carey at the helm—in the form of X-Men: Legacy. Sporting not one but two artists—Scott Eaton and the legendary John Romita, Jr., X-Men: Legacy takes a look at the past of the X-Men and how it affects their present. The debut of this title, along with the new X-Force (look for more later today) and Young X-Men (look for more tomorrow at noon) titles, marks a new beginning (or end, as it may seem in light of the events of Messiah Complex) of enriched storytelling for some of the industry’s most revered and timely heroes.

Newsarama contacted Mike Carey to talk to him about X-Men: Legacy and how the ramifications of the events of Messiah Complex spin not only into the future of the X-Men and their existence but their past as well.

Warning: Spoilers ahead for the conclusion of Messiah Complex.

Newsarama: Messiah Complex ends with a very final resounding note in the form of several gunshots and a victim. Would you care to discuss the ramifications of this untimely accident?

Mike Carey: Well, the ramifications are enormous. We’re talking about an event that basically atomizes—shatters—the X-Men universe; it seems that this is one of those moments that there is no coming back from. It’s more of a calamity, even greater in its own way, than what the X-Men have just faced—even though it is just one man’s death, or his apparent death at least, that we’re talking about. Based on who this man is—the shockwaves of this event will affect everyone in one way or another.

NRAMA: The preview of X-Men: Legacy #208 indicates that Magneto and Xavier will play crucial roles in the restructuring of the X-Men title. Who else can the readers expect to see?

MC: It’s very much Xavier’s book. He’s the only character who will always be “on stage” as it were. Magneto does become involved at a certain point; Rogue and Gambit will be coming in quite significantly, as well as a lot of prominent X-Men villains—the ones you could reasonably called Professor X’s nemeses, in the sense that they’re the big, strategic masterminds and visionaries on the other side of the equation: Xavier’s opposites, as it were. In the first arc, we’ll see Exodus and the Acolytes, and we’ll also be seeing Omega Sentinel again.

NRAMA: Having mentioned Rogue and Gambit, will the two star-crossed lovers have a reprieve or is it more rocky sailing for this pair?

MC: Initially, we see Rogue alone. There is actually a scene in X-Men #207, at the end of Messiah Complex, where she walks away from Mystique and from Gambit in a very final way. It will be a while before we see the two of them together again but we will. As to the rocks… well, it would be a lie to say that anything in that relationship is plain sailing.

NRAMA: What exactly is “The Legacy”? How does the title change of X-Men affect the status quo of the book?

MC: The use of the word ‘legacy’—first of all—is a sign post that says, “This is a major break and a major change of direction.” The title change reflects a direct change in the dramatic focus of the book and the identity of the book.

We also wanted to indicate that this is a book which will explore the X-Men’s past. In a narrow sense, the actual legacy is Professor Xavier’s. In a broader sense, it’s the whole weight of the past—it’s the back story of the X-Men and how it bears on the present; how it shapes what is going on with the X-Men in the present. So it’s a book that looks into the past while moving forward. It’s not a history book—it’s not a wallowing in the past in a “these are the X-Men’s greatest moments” kind of way —it’s a book about Xavier in the present examining his past with a particular urgency that comes from the situation unfolding from the denouement of Messiah Complex.

NRAMA: The end of Messiah Complex is very abrupt to say the least…


MC: Yes, there is the eruption of violence and then that fade to black.

I’ve always found that these characters specifically are at their best when their backs are against a wall. I’m really excited about the changes we have in store for this book. I’m working with Scott Eaton and John Romita, Jr.—at the same time. It’s a very unique—organic—way of telling this story; by playing the past and present off of each other. All I can say right now is wait and see—I think readers will be pleased—I think it is very cool.

NRAMA: Point blank: Is Magneto reforming the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants?

MC: Not in the immediate future—no.

NRAMA: Who do you think will be a true break-out character for the characters in 2008?

MC: Interesting question—watch the cast of New X-Men closely as they filter into other groups. I’d pay particular attention to X-23; I’d keep an eye on Pixie—I think she’s going to get a certain amount of spotlight—surprisingly but satisfyingly.

NRAMA: A lot of long-term readers were pleasantly surprised that Messiah Complex picked up a loose end that is literally 15 years old in terms of X-Men continuity. Now that the cat is out of the bag regarding Bishop’s role in the Messiah Complex—will he be returning in the future? Is he going to fade farther into obscurity?

MC: You mean Bishop’s desire to alter the future by changing the past?

NRAMA: Right.

MC: You’re right—it was part of the initial way the character was introduced and defined for us. He’s not going to fade back into obscurity and he hasn’t given up by any means. Obviously, in Messiah Complex, it’s not his agenda that wins out. But he is still alive and his mission, his sense of purpose, certainly hasn’t decreased at all. Readers will see more of him very soon.


NRAMA: The identity of the baby is still somewhat muddled at the end of Messiah Complex. There are several very interesting moments where the baby grabs a locket around a character’s neck; certain aspects of her colorization; and the fact that Cable, an alleged savior to the mutant race, is now in charge of protecting another alleged savior to the mutant race. Also, the nature of her power is still very nebulous—would you care to elaborate more on the mysterious mutant baby?

MC: That’s a story that is going to play out in Cable’s own book. In terms of the baby’s identity—I think at various points in this story some readers, to a certain extent, are starting to ask a bunch of questions—which is cool. There has been a certain amount of misdirection involved. Lots of people want to know who her parents are—if the union that produced her was significant—there has been fan speculation that she might be an old character brought back from the dead—reborn in some way.

Clearly, the baby is special. She’s definitely unique; otherwise, how could she be born with powers in spite of the Scarlet Witch’s edict? But it’s far from clear that her powers arise from her lineage – from her being, or being born from, somebody who was already significant in X-Men continuity. It remains a possibility, but I’m not sure that that’s the best way to look at it. I can’t say anything more than that at this point though.

NRAMA: There is definitely a new status quo for Mister Sinister coming out of Messiah Complex—is this a passing of the torch as well? Is his teaming with Mystique going to signify a change in her demeanor as well?

MC: In terms of her power and stature, it certainly puts Mystique front and center as a major force to be reckoned with, doesn’t it? I think her prominence in Messiah Complex kind of returns her to roots as this scary and quite bad ass character that she used to be when she first surfaced.

NRAMA: Originally, she was a pretty hardcore mutant terrorist when she was introduced around Uncanny X-Men #141-142...

MC: Absolutely. Even though her primary motivation here was to save her adopted daughter, Rogue, it’s made very clear that she is a very powerful mind, a very powerful personality and she is now cut off from Rogue, who has turned her back on her. There’s nothing now to rein in some of Mystique’s worst impulses.

NRAMA: With Messiah Complex behind you, was there anything that didn’t make it from conception to the finished product? Are there any plot points that were nixed or cut from the story that may have been too extreme in the alteration of the status quo?

MC: No, actually. I hate to disappoint you but this story, bizarrely, is one we all feel a shared ownership of. I don’t believe any of the writers—Craig, Chris, Peter, Ed or myself—have felt at any stage that the story was taken out of our hands or that the beats of the story were being dictated to us from above.

Were there any individual moments that didn’t make the cut? Well, small stuff. There’s always small stuff. There was some stuff that I put into one episode, which focused on Cable’s back story, and Nick [Lowe] felt like it was too specific to Cable’s past and to people who’d read his previous solo series—it was just something that required too much explanation as a part of Messiah Complex—so it was cut. It was really just a couple of character beats—nothing significant.

NRAMA: You’ve slowly gathered quite a loyal fan-following with the long term fans of the X-Men. Will you be sticking around the X-books past 2008?

MC: I sincerely hope so. I love working on this franchise. I love the characters—I love the whole dynamic that the X-office has at the moment. It’s a really exciting time to be writing X-Men. It feels like there is a ‘Renaissance’ going on with these books. I would love to carry on being involved.

NRAMA: Winding things down, can you give readers something to chew on for the next several months concerning the plight of the remaining X-Men?

MC: It’s kind of “every man for himself” at this point. As of the end of Messiah Complex, the X-Men have been effectively disbanded—the mansion is gone and this time no one is trying to rebuild it. There is this feeling that the X-Men will never have a home again; they will never have a leader again; or a raison d’etre. So we will be following them around through one of their darkest hours as they all try to adjust to their new situation: as they decide what to do with their lives now that they no longer have the purpose and the mission that they had before.

NRAMA: To close, can we all effectively say that Xavier’s dream is officially dead?

MC: Well, it may seem that since Xavier “back” in Legacy that there is this sort of reassurance that things can’t be as bad as they seem—but they are plenty bad, I assure you.

“It was the best of times. It was the worst of times…”

Which, if I’m honest, is exactly how I like it to be.

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/XMen_Legacy/Carey/XMenLegacyPreview9.jpg

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=144291

[BoredGuy]

I ****ing HATE John Romita's art!! I don't know what everyone else sees in it...

[BoredGuy]

And has Exodus' face always been red??

edit: looked it up, yea i guess so, wiki says it's fuschia

[Havok83]

Bishop wasn't trying to murder his teammates either...just the evil little bundle of doom. and I'm sorry your Avatar is of a character that sucks, Bishop SHOULD have killed Cable dammit.
um I think Forge and Cable would disagree with that statement, thats if Forge can speak after laying in a puddle of his own blood, thanks to Bishop. Not to mention he sicced the sentinels on his teammates and the children with specific orders to destroy the mutants and all X-men. Yep, Bishop never tried to kill any of his *former* teammates in this story. Did you read the whole arc? Bishop is a punk who betrayed the X-men. I hope they manage to bring him down

[Havok83]

and Romita Jr is back drawing the X-men? I hated his UXM run and dont like him drawing the team. Love him in Spider-man but not with these characters.

And who's teh red head to the left on that drawing? Phoenix? If so, why have that when Jean is already there?

[Slant]

It seems that there are two of each of the 05 members. Except I don't see a second Beast.

[Colossal Spoons]

The more Exodus, the better :up:

[Havok83]

It seems that there are two of each of the 05 members. Except I don't see a second Beast.
I only see 1 Iceman

[BoredGuy]

and colossus is colored incorrectly like in X3

[UraniaChang]

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/XMen_Legacy/Carey/XMenLegacyPreview9.jpg




From this pic, he is so not dead.

[iamlegend]

um I think Forge and Cable would disagree with that statement, thats if Forge can speak after laying in a puddle of his own blood, thanks to Bishop. Not to mention he sicced the sentinels on his teammates and the children with specific orders to destroy the mutants and all X-men. Yep, Bishop never tried to kill any of his *former* teammates in this story. Did you read the whole arc? Bishop is a punk who betrayed the X-men. I hope they manage to bring him down

Bishop did what he thought was right. How many times has Cable pulled the loner card and gotten away with it? Way too many. You've just got some weird blind spont towards the entire Jean/Cable family...

After reading the interview I get the feeling that Gambit may be going into limbo, even if it's just for a few months... Maybe until March/April? Carey implies Rogue will be alone for a bit, and we know Legacy is focused on Xavier. So Gambit won't have much role early on, I'd think.

That baffles the **** outta me. I'm not even getting into the "They make Gambit into Rogue's wimpy ass lover" thing... but I will ask.... Why in the hell haven't they had Rogue accept that Gambit loves her????? He follows here EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What more does that conceited ***** want?

[OutcryX]

WHEN was it ever said/proven that Bishop sent the sentinels....it was the Purifiers who did that NOT Bishop. I hope he kills Cable and the damn baby...who i hope is Jean, so that she'll be killed...again..as an infant


and Forge is about as useful now as he was before he got capped.

[Havok83]

WHEN was it ever said/proven that Bishop sent the sentinels....it was the Purifiers who did that NOT Bishop. I hope he kills Cable and the damn baby...who i hope is Jean, so that she'll be killed...again..as an infant


and Forge is about as useful now as he was before he got capped.
X-factor 27 was when Cyclops put the pieces together on that.

Predator X should have eaten Bishop's head instead of just the arm

[Jake Cassidy]

Who thinks Wolverine's gonna kill Bishop?

[Havok83]

Who thinks Wolverine's gonna kill Bishop?
one can only hope

[Specter313]

THE NEXT X: MIKE CAREY
Reformatting his former X-Title as ‘X-Men: Legacy’ the writer has his eyes on classic stories, Professor X and Rogue
By Kiel Phegley

Posted January 25, 2008 5:15 PM


Continuing our series of interviews with the writers of the X-franchise in the wake of “Messiah Complex,” Mike Carey made time to give a hint as to what’s going on with X-Men: Legacy, but first it should be noted…

SPOILER WARNING: GO NO FURTHER IF YOU HAVEN’T READ X-MEN #207, THE FINAL INSTALLMENT OF THE “MESSIAH COMPLEX” STORYLINE!

X-Men: Legacy is the reformatted name for the adjectiveless X-Men (Not a new miniseries as first reported by Wizard) which Carey was also the scribe on. But to hear the writer tell it, Legacy will operate completely independent of previous incarnations or lineups for the title. In fact, beyond featuring art by Scot Eaton, the series will have a new format that will see flashbacks to specific events in X-Men history drawn by a rotating slate of pencilers starting with superstar John Romita, Jr. However, longtime Carey readers can expect some of his long-running plotlines to be picked up as the series goes along including the fate of Professor X and the next step for Rogue.

WIZARD: It’s weird because no one has been able to talk about some of the X-titles after “Messiah Complex” because there’s been so much focus on the crossover.

CAREY: And a lot of us have end-loaded. A lot of the books are springing straight out of the concluding events of “Messiah Complex.”

Originally when Legacy was discussed we thought it was a mini series, but really it’s a rebranding of X-Men. What makes the change necessary? Does this book follow a team of X-Men like past comics have?

It’s not a traditional book at all, and I think “legacy” is a good word to describe what it is because it’s a book that looks backwards while it’s moving forward. It’s a book that taps into a lot of the back-story of the X-Universe, which by this time is incredibly rich and deep and wide-ranging. But it’s not a team book. It’s a book that focuses on Professor X.

I think the idea of keeping the numbering from the X-Men series is to underscore subtly that although it is no longer a team book and it’s not a continuation of what we did before “Messiah Complex,” it will include as it goes on the payoffs to some of the things I was setting up before “Messiah Complex” — things relating to Rogue and Gambit particularly, but also things relating to other members of that team. We see Karima Shapandar in the first arc, Omega Sentinel. So there are echoes from X-Men that will continue to come in.

Let’s focus on Professor X for a second because if I remember correctly, he wasn’t quite in the adventuring mood at the end of the crossover.

I think that’s fair to say. [Laughs]

I understand the story has to do with Xavier gathering together the pieces of his shattered mind. How is he going to do that?

He has to do it in a peculiar, second-hand way. Without giving too much away, some of his past is not directly accessible to him. So, in order to find out who he is, who he has been, where he’s coming from — he has to effectively search other people’s memory of him. And then he has to deal with the contradictions and the omissions and the distortions that arise as part of that process. So it’s a weird journey of self-discovery by piecing together clues second-hand.

But it’s also safe to say that this isn’t just a book about “Charlie goes and talks to some old friend,” right?

To begin with, we left Professor X in “Messiah Complex” — well, he’s apparently dead. There’s been spectacular damage done to his brain tissue. He’s not breathing. He is for all intents and purposes, dead. So we have to bring him back from that situation, and there is an involvement from some of the other characters — some of the villains — from “Messiah Complex” which leads to some inevitable conflict and some more unexpected conflict.

And then as it goes on, he’s going to be revisiting old friends and old enemies, but he’s also going to become embroiled in current events and current crisis without having any contact with the X-Men, who have rejected him at this point. It’s definitely a series that’s looking through the rear view mirror but going ahead.

You’re having the art split on the book between Scot Eaton on the present day and different artists tackling the flashbacks. Were you able to sit down with the editors to say “This is the kind of feel I want for the flashback art to bring it in line with that time in X-Men history?”

So far what’s happened is [Marvel editor] Nick Lowe says, “Shall we have artist X doing this scene?” And I’ve always gone “My God, yes!” because they’re all these people I’ve always wanted to work with. But in terms of matching up artists with specific scenes and sequences, it’s really been Nick.

And your first flashback artist is classic X-Men artist John Romita, Jr…

Which is fantastic. I’m really excited about it. But it’s really an exploration, and it’s never just flashback for flashback’s sake. Whenever we revisit these past times and iconic scenes, we’re doing so to come at it from an unexpected angle or to reveal things about Professor X’s involvement in these events that we didn’t know or yield new insights into his motivations in the first place. It’s a very cool book to work on. It’s very challenging because it’s going to involve me going back and thinking really hard about the structure of the X-Men’s past and the story so far. And the story so far is immense. So deciding what to include and how to approach it is challenging, but it’s going to be exciting.

And to ask about some of your specific plotlines from X-Men and some of the characters we saw there, I know a lot are wondering about Rogue and Gambit’s relationship. Are we going to be seeing them immediately, or will readers have to wait a while?

It’ll take a while. We glimpse Rogue in the first arc. She becomes more important in the second arc, and then in the third arc the spotlight is very much on her. In a way, it’s finishing off a story that began in X-Men #188 when I first came on board. It’s like the ultimate payoff for everything I’ve done with Rogue over the past couple of years.

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/007449501.cfm

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm picking this up, but I'm not too excited

[OutcryX]

Bishop didnt send the sentinels. the purifiers did

[Varient]

They wouldn't reveal the baby's ID for multiple reasons...

One being that it has no identity, meaning they were telling the truth when they said it really was just an entirely new character (AKA not Jean).

The second would be so there'd still be something to read about in the Cable series.

And how'd they ruin Bishop's character? Outside of a few things that weren't written all that fantastically, this arc may have made me like the character even more.

scary.

from freedom fighting cop from the future who idolized and was a hardcore fan of the ancient X-Men,...

To irrational unrepentent idiot who suddenly remembers "supposidly" which critical birth caused his "hell-hole" future.


I hate when they take a character,.. one of the few special unto himself and twist them cause they need a victim or a villian.


Meh,..

So,.. I'll be lighting a candle for the passing of four marvel characters,..........



1. Captain America
2. Spiderman
3. Shadowcat
4. And Bishop.

One for at least the few years that it takes Arctic water plus Supersoldier serum to regenerate him.

Two will be on Life Support thanks to the brilliant writing abilities of Slott but has been given a blow that they still might not pull out of.

Three - unless she's learned how to cancel inertia is going to die either in space or on impact.

And Four - Character Assasination followed by playing the black one in "Spy Vs Spy" Marvel Style until they resolve the child issue,... then he'll be killed or sent back where he came from.


Sigh,... (My Pile grows smaller.:csad: )

[iamlegend]

scary.

from freedom fighting cop from the future who idolized and was a hardcore fan of the ancient X-Men,...

To irrational unrepentent idiot who suddenly remembers "supposidly" which critical birth caused his "hell-hole" future.


I hate when they take a character,.. one of the few special unto himself and twist them cause they need a victim or a villian.


Meh,..

So,.. I'll be lighting a candle for the passing of four marvel characters,..........



1. Captain America
2. Spiderman
3. Shadowcat
4. And Bishop.

One for at least the few years that it takes Arctic water plus Supersoldier serum to regenerate him.

Two will be on Life Support thanks to the brilliant writing abilities of Slott but has been given a blow that they still might not pull out of.

Three - unless she's learned how to cancel inertia is going to die either in space or on impact.

And Four - Character Assasination followed by playing the black one in "Spy Vs Spy" Marvel Style until they resolve the child issue,... then he'll be killed or sent back where he came from.


Sigh,... (My Pile grows smaller.:csad: )

So I take it you wouldn't be surprised that I'm a huge supporter of Iron Man too?

[TromaFreak64]

Bishop didnt send the sentinels. the purifiers did

Outcry I am confused where you think the Purifiers sent the sentinels... at first they thought ti was Cable, then they found out it was Bishop... when did they hint or say Purifiers?

[Havok83]

Im not too thrilled with the X-men Legacy concept but I will give it a chance. At least the numbering isnt going away

[TromaFreak64]

outcry I totally understand the rationale in WHY Bishop had to do what he did - but I just don't see where any evidence exist that the Purifiers arranged the sentinel attack and not Bishop

Unless you know something we dont know

[OutcryX]

i kno nothing...*sniff* just trying, reaching really, for a way to save my favorite character...

[El Bastardo]

So I take it you wouldn't be surprised that I'm a huge supporter of Iron Man too?
He just likes to whine and complain about most things. You haven't noticed that yet?

I like this turn for Bishop's character. I agree with you. And I agree with you that Iron Man's character changing has been neat, too.

[TromaFreak64]

i kno nothing...*sniff* just trying, reaching really, for a way to save my favorite character...

I don't think you have to try to save him...

Bishop did what he had to do for a good reason.

Him and cable are fighting the same battle for the same reasons. And it is easy to sympathize with Bishops point of view.

[El Bastardo]

I don't think you have to try to save him...

Bishop did what he had to do for a good reason.

Him and cable are fighting the same battle for the same reasons. And it is easy to sympathize with Bishops point of view.
Which will make him a good villain.

Gosh, this might be the first time I've agreed with something you said.

[TromaFreak64]

Which will make him a good villain.

Gosh, this might be the first time I've agreed with something you said.

What are you talking about... we used to be on the same side of arguments against collossal a lot

[Varient]

He just likes to whine and complain about most things. You haven't noticed that yet?

I like this turn for Bishop's character. I agree with you. And I agree with you that Iron Man's character changing has been neat, too.

SMH at the handle of the person who says I like to whine - and remember the large amount of *****ing he has done in the past - and move on w/o anymore comment.

On topic to Iamlegend:

I don't fault you - I disagree with you.
Contrary to the whiner - I am allowed to have an opinion that he doesn't agree with.

In this case - I remember the character when he first arrived, the ORIGINAL PREMISE of the character and what he was SUPPOSED to be here for.

Continue to love Ironman, Not my issue.
V.

[The Englishman]

The cover for X-Men: Legacy #210 as been released, anyone care to post it??

[The Englishman]

The cover for X-Men: Legacy #210 as been released, anyone care to post it??

[Havok83]

check here

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=13891583&postcount=5795

[El Bastardo]

In this case - I remember the character when he first arrived, the ORIGINAL PREMISE of the character and what he was SUPPOSED to be here for.

And people change. Characters change, too, if you don't want to consider them people. There would seem to be this concept known as "character development" - one of the key words being "development," which, to be simpler, would mean "to develop." That is, "to develop the character [in question]." The character in question, to be clear, is Bishop.

Bishop arrived with reasons to arrive. That's right. Time is fluid. Who's to really say that Xavier really was the traitor who killed the X-Men? Circumstances would seem to suggest the Onslaught fiasco was exactly that - but then, with time immutable, who is to say that the current 616 timeline always stayed on the same path to Bishop's future? It needn't. As soon as Bishop changed things with Onslaught, which, for the record, I loved, the timelines could have diverged, if ever they were truly the same.

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Or, in the comics medium, sometimes a not-so-equal reaction.

There are no grounds for calling the changing of Bishop's character unsound. You can hate it all you want, but if you think you're hating it on grounds that you're the superior thinker and it's some great unjustice to the character, you're incorrect. Not that you'll ever entertain that, but nonetheless, the rest of us will.

The groundwork for this change goes brilliantly back to the Endangered Species one-shot. Bit by bit by bit it crept up through the chapters of Messiah Complex. And there are tons of possible outcomes. If the baby truly could damn the future, then Bishop winds up in the right, if entirely bass-ackwards. If not, then he becomes the tragic hero (villain) fighting for a cause he truly believes to be right, but is sadly wrong. And that's just two.

It's not unsound at all. Rather, whoever thought of it did a solid thing and gave a purpose to a character who was sorely underused beforehand.

[Havok83]

what I dont get about this thing with Bishop is why does he think killing this baby will automatically change his timeline? He is no stranger to time travel and he knows that there are an infinite number of timelines. There is no guarnatee that 616 will eventually become his future. The fact that he entered it and became a key figure in mutant history created a ripple effect that just created a new alternate future instead of fixxing his. How does he even know killing the baby will affect anything. Is he planning on going back? For all he knows, what he's done could all be for nothing. What if that baby doing what it does is necesary for him to even exist? You know, like if putting the mutatns in concentration camps is what leads his parents to get together and create him, etc....

Bishop has been in this current timeline for quite some time now. Maybe 5 years give or take a year or 2. He's known the X-men and has worked along side them. He should have trusted them with his info and they could have helped him. Instead he sat on this knowledge for years and pretty much stabs them in the back. In his timeline, the X-men werent even around to stop the Messiah from doing what she does. They were killed off by Onslaught, but thanks to Bishop, that never happened. He now has the whole team and more at his disposal. Very smart and powerful mutants which werent around to prevent the stuff from his time. He doesnt have to do anything alone. Bishop's actions and thinking (if he is even doing that) havent made much sense. I dont find the way he turned into a villian all that brilliant and it could have been handled better

[El Bastardo]

You might be jumping to conclusions that he thinks it will affect his timeline specifically. I don't think he ever talked about saving his own future, but rather, -the- future. Although the evidence is there, so it's not an outlandish conclusion to jump at.

Bishop genuinely believes that the baby causes ruin in the future. He's believed this since he apparently saw it happen as a kid. And everything he told Jaime and Layla was happening in the 616. He could believe that everything unfolding means that his timeline is what's going to happen. Or, just as easily, not.

Rather, a few things.

His problem with the baby, as stated above, stretches back to his childhood. From a character perspective, this would be a deep-seated rage and/or fear that wouldn't just go away. When it starts to rear its ugly head, either Bishop remembers everything that happened or was remembering all along. But it doesn't go away, and so he must either act on it or turn to an emotional wreck. Common theme in fiction, and has real world precedent.

Given how everything that has happened and is dealing with Messiah Complex and Endangered Species in the 616 seems to mirror what kid-Bishop was telling Jaime and Layla, he could genuinely believe that it's his future that is inevitable. And as such, he's acting out of saving not his future specifically so much as the future, for everyone, at the same time of exacting some kind of revenge.

If he doesn't believe that his future is the one that's going to happen, then he's acting out of benefit for the future in general, going back to his deep-seated memories of what the so-called messiah baby eventually did.

Regardless of what future he is assuming to happen, he's seen things unfold, he's seeing the messiah baby born exactly as happened in his past (technically), and genuinely believes the baby will ruin the future. So, because he's the only one with that knowledge, and it's very obvious the X-Men would never condone killing the baby to save the future, it falls to him to do it. Remember, while Bishop has always operated with them and on their side, he's also always very much been the outsider.

And as Claremont brought forth, he's always kept in his head lots of plans for beating all of his teammates! And he always knows what time it is.

Sad, sad joking aside, everything having to do with Bishop does make sense, but it hasn't been connected by roads with bright neon signs stating "THIS WAY COME THIS WAY HAHAHAHA" and, as such, seems like most people can't traverse the change.

[OutcryX]

I want him to get his own book dammit. Bishop is awesome. Alas. i agree with the bastard...he has actually taken the time to state what I was too lazy to type....thanks, ya Bastard

[El Bastardo]

You're welcome! :D

[Colossal Spoons]

Idk about a solo Bishop book. I'm curious as to where they take his character now that they're finally doing something w/ him though :up:

[spectre]

i think its better that they keep him in cable. i've always felt like they should find a way to tie cable and bishop more closely together

[El Bastardo]

Yeah, two of the most awesome X-Men characters definitely belong together, and this is an awesome relationship.

[spectre]

actually i always thought there complicated backstories hindered them a little bit. i kind of hoped that they would link their two timelines together just to streamline the stories. but i like what they're doin now, making them show down and be on opposite sides of the conflict.

[OutcryX]

i always kinda wanted them to be like the frog brothers....

[El Bastardo]

I don't think their histories are that complicated at all.

More complicated than "I was born and grew up in normal fashion and at 13 my mutant powers blossomed and I became a lovely flower," yes.

Complicated in a bad way, I don't think so.

[Havok83]

You might be jumping to conclusions that he thinks it will affect his timeline specifically. I don't think he ever talked about saving his own future, but rather, -the- future. Although the evidence is there, so it's not an outlandish conclusion to jump at.

Bishop genuinely believes that the baby causes ruin in the future. He's believed this since he apparently saw it happen as a kid. And everything he told Jaime and Layla was happening in the 616. He could believe that everything unfolding means that his timeline is what's going to happen. Or, just as easily, not.

Rather, a few things.

His problem with the baby, as stated above, stretches back to his childhood. From a character perspective, this would be a deep-seated rage and/or fear that wouldn't just go away. When it starts to rear its ugly head, either Bishop remembers everything that happened or was remembering all along. But it doesn't go away, and so he must either act on it or turn to an emotional wreck. Common theme in fiction, and has real world precedent.

Given how everything that has happened and is dealing with Messiah Complex and Endangered Species in the 616 seems to mirror what kid-Bishop was telling Jaime and Layla, he could genuinely believe that it's his future that is inevitable. And as such, he's acting out of saving not his future specifically so much as the future, for everyone, at the same time of exacting some kind of revenge.

If he doesn't believe that his future is the one that's going to happen, then he's acting out of benefit for the future in general, going back to his deep-seated memories of what the so-called messiah baby eventually did.

Regardless of what future he is assuming to happen, he's seen things unfold, he's seeing the messiah baby born exactly as happened in his past (technically), and genuinely believes the baby will ruin the future. So, because he's the only one with that knowledge, and it's very obvious the X-Men would never condone killing the baby to save the future, it falls to him to do it. Remember, while Bishop has always operated with them and on their side, he's also always very much been the outsider.

And as Claremont brought forth, he's always kept in his head lots of plans for beating all of his teammates! And he always knows what time it is.

Sad, sad joking aside, everything having to do with Bishop does make sense, but it hasn't been connected by roads with bright neon signs stating "THIS WAY COME THIS WAY HAHAHAHA" and, as such, seems like most people can't traverse the change.
good points but I dont understand why he wouldnt trust anyone to help him. Like I siad before, his timeline didnt have the X-men around to prevent whatever the Messiah does. Why wouldnt he think to use them to do just that? Instead he decieves and nearly kills people, he's known for years as if thats the only option, without actually exploring other options. That just makes him come off crazy and irrational

[El Bastardo]

good points but I dont understand why he wouldnt trust anyone to help him. Like I siad before, his timeline didnt have the X-men around to prevent whatever the Messiah does. Why wouldnt he think to use them to do just that? Instead he decieves and nearly kills people, he's known for years as if thats the only option, without actually exploring other options. That just makes him come off crazy and irrational
Because, as I stated, the messiah is a baby. And the X-Men are not going to kill a baby or do anything other than the "right" or "best" thing, which was the plan until Cyclops decided at the end to let Cable take her. They would bring her up to do the right things. Who's to say that the future could change? Who's to say everything wouldn't unfold as such anyway?

The X-Men were around and everything leading up to, and including, the birth of the messiah baby happened anyway. OR, who's to say that what Jaime and Layla saw was Bishop's original timeline? Why couldn't it have been the new one, fractured and spiraling out of his saving the X-Men from Onslaught?

Even so, waiting around for the X-Men to handle the threat is years in the making. Ten, fifteen, maybe more. That's not a proactive solution, and Bishop needed a proactive solution. And wanted one.

And remember, if everything had gone as planned, Bishop wouldn't have turned on anyone. Forge and Cable would have been casualties, yes, and probably regrettably so. Bishop had that moment of delay when the baby was facing the barrel of his gun, so it's not like Bishop flipped a switch and became super-homicidal-maniac.

It's not as cut and dry as people seem to want to make it out to be.

But he did have that moment of delay, lost his chance, and if anything, that seemed to have strengthened his resolve. As it should have, I imagine.

Your idea, Havok, seems to involve and revolve around the idea that Bishop should put a reality that no one else has seen or known or experienced in the hands of people who, honestly, probably wouldn't understand. They might be the good guys, but being the good guy doesn't mean understanding everything.

Why should he wait fifteen or so years just to see everything happened as it would have anyway?

[Varient]

And people change. Characters change, too, if you don't want to consider them people. There would seem to be this concept known as "character development" - one of the key words being "development," which, to be simpler, would mean "to develop." That is, "to develop the character [in question]." The character in question, to be clear, is Bishop.

Bishop arrived with reasons to arrive. That's right. Time is fluid. Who's to really say that Xavier really was the traitor who killed the X-Men? Circumstances would seem to suggest the Onslaught fiasco was exactly that - but then, with time immutable, who is to say that the current 616 timeline always stayed on the same path to Bishop's future? It needn't. As soon as Bishop changed things with Onslaught, which, for the record, I loved, the timelines could have diverged, if ever they were truly the same.

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Or, in the comics medium, sometimes a not-so-equal reaction.

There are no grounds for calling the changing of Bishop's character unsound. You can hate it all you want, but if you think you're hating it on grounds that you're the superior thinker and it's some great unjustice to the character, you're incorrect. Not that you'll ever entertain that, but nonetheless, the rest of us will.

The groundwork for this change goes brilliantly back to the Endangered Species one-shot. Bit by bit by bit it crept up through the chapters of Messiah Complex. And there are tons of possible outcomes. If the baby truly could damn the future, then Bishop winds up in the right, if entirely bass-ackwards. If not, then he becomes the tragic hero (villain) fighting for a cause he truly believes to be right, but is sadly wrong. And that's just two.

It's not unsound at all. Rather, whoever thought of it did a solid thing and gave a purpose to a character who was sorely underused beforehand.

Please stop adding stuff to justify my opinion, (superior thinker indeed.).
It is the truly twisted who can idolize someone - NOT be disapointed by them on meeting them, run with them FOR YEARS, trust and be trusted by them to the point where they let him lead and be liason for the team - to have him "suddenly" stop trusting them, sic' the x-mens own boogeyman on them (Sentinals) and after all the time travel he has done, the "Alts" from other timelines he has met "decide" that the death of one child would make the difference.

Up to this storyline Bishop was not depicted as that twisted. Pretty straightforward in fact.

IF they had shown bits of this back during Extreme X-men,... I would've considered it "character development".

IF they had shown something during his mutant town adventures I would have accepted that he "was changing."

Didn't happen.


what I dont get about this thing with Bishop is why does he think killing this baby will automatically change his timeline? He is no stranger to time travel and he knows that there are an infinite number of timelines. There is no guarnatee that 616 will eventually become his future. The fact that he entered it and became a key figure in mutant history created a ripple effect that just created a new alternate future instead of fixxing his. How does he even know killing the baby will affect anything. Is he planning on going back? For all he knows, what he's done could all be for nothing. What if that baby doing what it does is necesary for him to even exist? You know, like if putting the mutatns in concentration camps is what leads his parents to get together and create him, etc....

Bishop has been in this current timeline for quite some time now. Maybe 5 years give or take a year or 2. He's known the X-men and has worked along side them. He should have trusted them with his info and they could have helped him. Instead he sat on this knowledge for years and pretty much stabs them in the back. In his timeline, the X-men werent even around to stop the Messiah from doing what she does. They were killed off by Onslaught, but thanks to Bishop, that never happened. He now has the whole team and more at his disposal. Very smart and powerful mutants which werent around to prevent the stuff from his time. He doesnt have to do anything alone. Bishop's actions and thinking (if he is even doing that) havent made much sense. I dont find the way he turned into a villian all that brilliant and it could have been handled better

Meh,.. U said it better than I did.

Props.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Bishop has been in this current timeline for quite some time now. Maybe 5 years give or take a year or 2. He's known the X-men and has worked along side them. He should have trusted them with his info and they could have helped him. Instead he sat on this knowledge for years and pretty much stabs them in the back. In his timeline, the X-men werent even around to stop the Messiah from doing what she does. They were killed off by Onslaught, but thanks to Bishop, that never happened. He now has the whole team and more at his disposal. Very smart and powerful mutants which werent around to prevent the stuff from his time. He doesnt have to do anything alone. Bishop's actions and thinking (if he is even doing that) havent made much sense. I dont find the way he turned into a villian all that brilliant and it could have been handled better

Pretty much the same thing can be said about Cable. :wow:

[Havok83]

Because, as I stated, the messiah is a baby. And the X-Men are not going to kill a baby or do anything other than the "right" or "best" thing, which was the plan until Cyclops decided at the end to let Cable take her. They would bring her up to do the right things. Who's to say that the future could change? Who's to say everything wouldn't unfold as such anyway?

The X-Men were around and everything leading up to, and including, the birth of the messiah baby happened anyway. OR, who's to say that what Jaime and Layla saw was Bishop's original timeline? Why couldn't it have been the new one, fractured and spiraling out of his saving the X-Men from Onslaught?

Even so, waiting around for the X-Men to handle the threat is years in the making. Ten, fifteen, maybe more. That's not a proactive solution, and Bishop needed a proactive solution. And wanted one.

And remember, if everything had gone as planned, Bishop wouldn't have turned on anyone. Forge and Cable would have been casualties, yes, and probably regrettably so. Bishop had that moment of delay when the baby was facing the barrel of his gun, so it's not like Bishop flipped a switch and became super-homicidal-maniac.

It's not as cut and dry as people seem to want to make it out to be.

But he did have that moment of delay, lost his chance, and if anything, that seemed to have strengthened his resolve. As it should have, I imagine.

Your idea, Havok, seems to involve and revolve around the idea that Bishop should put a reality that no one else has seen or known or experienced in the hands of people who, honestly, probably wouldn't understand. They might be the good guys, but being the good guy doesn't mean understanding everything.

Why should he wait fifteen or so years just to see everything happened as it would have anyway?
Cyclops and the X-men were out to protect the baby bc it was an innocent child. They have no idea what she is capable of or what could happen if she were to live. And the reason they didnt know was bc Bishop never shared that with them. This was vital information which could have affected their outlook on the situation. And why does the Messiah's existence lead to a bad future. We know that she mass murders humans. Why does she do that? Maybe the event that sets her off should be prevented. Was she influenced by the wrong people? Maybe having the influence of the X-men would put her on the path to "good" and she doesnt do whatever messed up Bishop's childhood.

But that right there is the problem with time trouble. It opens up hte possibility for so many what ifs and what could have been with no certainty. Too many questions that simply cant be answered. I guess we'll have to disagree on this matter.

[Havok83]

Pretty much the same thing can be said about Cable. :wow:
and how so?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

and how so?

Time-traveller going solo and not sharing one bit of info...? Dicey decision-making based on one single assumption...?

[Havok83]

Time-traveller going solo and not sharing one bit of info...? Dicey decision-making based on one single assumption...?
he's not betraying or trying to kill his teammates in the process though

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

he's not betraying or trying to kill his teammates in the process though

There was only a mention of "stabbing in the back" in the passage I quoted. Cable kinda went behind their back. Sort of qualifies as the former.

And of course the "betrayal" isn't anywhere league Bishop's. I never said otherwise. Was just saying one could question whatever possessed Cable to act the way he did.

*I couldn't trust them.* Considering how he basically vouched for Rogue's decision-making and choice of a team, well... :whatever:

[El Bastardo]

Cyclops and the X-men were out to protect the baby bc it was an innocent child. They have no idea what she is capable of or what could happen if she were to live. And the reason they didnt know was bc Bishop never shared that with them. This was vital information which could have affected their outlook on the situation. And why does the Messiah's existence lead to a bad future. We know that she mass murders humans. Why does she do that? Maybe the event that sets her off should be prevented. Was she influenced by the wrong people? Maybe having the influence of the X-men would put her on the path to "good" and she doesnt do whatever messed up Bishop's childhood.

But that right there is the problem with time trouble. It opens up hte possibility for so many what ifs and what could have been with no certainty. Too many questions that simply cant be answered. I guess we'll have to disagree on this matter.
The what ifs of time travel hardly matter. There are only two that really matter - what if Bishop's future is going to happen, and what if Bishop's future isn't going to happen. And those two are equally applicable and nonetheless come out to the same end point. Anything else is absolute and unfounded speculation and truly contributes nothing to the conversation at hand.

As for the rest of it, I'm pretty sure I've already talked at length about it. But, why not? And maybe I can add s'more.

Two of the loose themes going into Messiah Complex and throughout Messiah Complex are manipulation and motivation. Every single character or "faction" had a motivation for going after the baby - some were known, some were not. And pretty much every single character or "faction" was manipulating the situation or willing to manipulate the baby for whatever reason. Very few characters were genuine, or appeared genuine.

Cyclops might very well have been genuine. At first, it was all about getting the baby, yes, to safeguard it (for instance, from the Purifiers), but also to prevent other groups from getting hold of it, for instance, Sinister's alliance. Maybe Cyclops would have fought a war merely to safeguard it, but that in and of itself is a form of manipulation - manipulating the baby as a standard of survival.

Even Xavier, who showed off as being genuine at the beginning of the crossover, proved to be manipulative by the end. His motivation was to get back in Cyclops's good graces by bringing the baby to his side (and that worked, at that).

With those two themes working, the entire flipside of the manipulation theme would be genuine actions. In the end, Messiah Complex comes down to being mostly about two individuals - that would be Cable and Bishop, or genuine and manipulation.

Bishop was manipulating the situation since Endangered Species. Cable becomes the genuine opponent only through the manipulation of another character, Gambit.

Just a little extra explorative content I felt like putting forward.

Really, I've already answered why Bishop would go the route he did. Bishop has never been a Cyclops, never been a Wolverine. Of course, in this case, I think even Wolverine would've gone past the line to make sure a threat was extinguished (whereas, generally, Wolverine might really walk the line, but generally always does the right thing). If there are any X-Men characters I would generally call characters capable and willing of getting the job done, yeah, obviously Wolverine, but in addition Cable, Bishop, and probably Gambit. And maybe Havok.

But regardless. There are too many ifs involved for him to not have acted. Wait fifteen years hoping the X-Men will keep the messiah in check only to find out it didn't work? Wow, good job! Screwed that one up, Bishop. For every beneficial "what if," there's a negative "what if" that damns mutantkind. Maybe it's a choice, maybe it's fatalist. There's no way to find out without waiting, and that's too dangerous a prospect.

Seriously. If Bishop waits, he takes the weak and pacifistic approach, going against every single thing he'd seen and knew and feared as a child. That's not Bishop. That's not Bishop at all.

We saw Bishop grow into a character willing and having to take the hard line when he was the sole survivor of the 616 reality during the Age of Apocalypse. It wasn't the right world, he didn't even know why it wasn't, and he had to fix it - and if Magneto had disapproved or refused, I'm pretty 100% sure that Bishop would have found a way to do it himself, or died trying.

Same thing here. He saw something unfolding that leads to damnation in the future, and he had to find a way to do it himself. If he had even talked to Cyclops about it, it would have meant tipping his hand and losing any chance at doing something about it. Seriously. Who thinks Cyclops would have included Bishop in anything, knowing how personal it was? It's the exact opposite of Cyclops's professional approach. And then Bishop would have been stuck alone anyway, only with everyone watching for him.

Under the radar, do the dirty work - it was the way to do the right thing.

I'm not sure how else to make it any clearer. It's all sound. But I suppose I'll be repeating myself ad nauseam.

[El Bastardo]

*I couldn't trust them.* Considering how he basically vouched for Rogue's decision-making and choice of a team, well... :whatever:
I'd have to look back at the issue again, because I don't remember 100%, but I don't really think it was a vouching. Even if it was, it wouldn't have mattered, because Cable wasn't anything to the X-Men.

Rather, I think it went more along the lines of Cyclops trying to question him, and Cable basically telling his father that he wasn't an X-Man and didn't fall in under Cyclops's orders, and was going as part of Rogue's team to investigate what was going on.

[Colossal Spoons]

Really good points about Bishop on this page :up: It's as if he doesn't understand the concept of infinite timelines

[El Bastardo]

So I take it you're not referencing me?

[Rogue's Hand]

And to ask about some of your specific plotlines from X-Men and some of the characters we saw there, I know a lot are wondering about Rogue and Gambit’s relationship. Are we going to be seeing them immediately, or will readers have to wait a while?

It’ll take a while. We glimpse Rogue in the first arc. She becomes more important in the second arc, and then in the third arc the spotlight is very much on her. In a way, it’s finishing off a story that began in X-Men #188 when I first came on board. It’s like the ultimate payoff for everything I’ve done with Rogue over the past couple of years.

Is Rogue finally going to be able to control her powers :wow:

[najnaimik23]

how tough is colossus skin??? Can it be penetrated by adamentium???

[Colossal Spoons]

how tough is colossus skin??? Can it be penetrated by adamentium???

If you hit him hard/fast enough, adamantium would go right through :up:

[najnaimik23]

ahhhh that sucks...Is his skin made of adamantium????

[Colossal Spoons]

No, it's made of an "organic steel" similar to Osmium.

[El Bastardo]

Spoons sounds like a scientist! Scary!

[Colossal Spoons]

Haha, I am :D

[El Bastardo]

You're no scientist.

Or are you Russian scientist? FOR MOTHER RUSSIA!

Spoons is a Commie!

[Valechan]

BLOODY HELL!!!!

I just realized, this year is the 15th anniversary of the Fatal Attractions crossover... with Charles and Magneto starring in this book... don't you think we might get a little "anniversary" special story related to FA???

[Colossal Spoons]

You're no scientist.

As of 2 days ago, I am :D

[El Bastardo]

As of 2 days ago, I am :D
Lies.

[Colossal Spoons]

Trues, and couldn't be more excited

[El Bastardo]

Very well!

Then in return I shall truly become a writer and write X-Men and write a proper Colossus in your honor.

Seriously, I shall preface with "For Spoons <3"

[Specter313]

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X-MEN: LEGACY #211 & 212
Written by MIKE CAREY
Penciled by SCOT EATON
Cover by DAVID FINCH
Sins of the Father, part 1 of 3. Professor X is trying to rebuild memories of his past using other people's minds. But the past is coming back to haunt him in another way, as a swathe of tragic deaths turns out to be linked by only one factor: Brian Xavier, the Professor's long-dead father. And solving the mystery means paying a visit to the Hellfire Club...
32 PGS. (each)/Rated A …$2.99 (each)

[El Bastardo]

I've wanted to see Carey get his hands on Shaw again ever since the Endangered Species one-shot. Rock on. :up:

[UraniaChang]

How long has Jean been dead, two years?

[El Bastardo]

Does it matter?

[Valechan]

How long has Jean been dead, two years?
How Long? Not long enough :p

[spectre]

Jean's been dead four years, three if you count endsong

[UraniaChang]

Um...then I'm guessing she's probably going to be back, being dead for three years for an A-lister has probably set the record.

[DJSCARLET]

I thought 211 was about Rogue, or is she just co-starring now?

[iamlegend]

Um...then I'm guessing she's probably going to be back, being dead for three years for an A-lister has probably set the record.

Not if you're counting Colossus.

Ignoring the classic "He wasn't really dead" retcon that we've seen so many times.

[El Bastardo]

There isn't even any evidence to suggest that Jean is coming back.

[Colossal Spoons]

Not even a little

[Specter313]

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X-MEN: LEGACY #208
COVER BY: DAVID FINCH
WRITER: MIKE CAREY
PENCILS: JOHN ROMITA JR.
COLORED BY: FRANK D'ARMATA
THE STORY: “LEGACY”
The X-Men’s past becomes the present as Xavier fights the greatest battle of his life. With his mind hanging in the balance, one false move can cause irreversible damage. Help arrives from an unlikely source, but in the world post-Messiah Complex, sometimes your enemies are the only people you can trust.
Rated A…$2.99

[El Bastardo]

Awesome JRJR. :D :D

[Valechan]

It does look effing great, that moment between Charles and Moira had never been told if I recall correctly. And Amelia... I just love Amelia Voght :D

[Havok83]

Ive always hated Romita JR drawing the X-men. His 2 previous runs, were ones I did not like. Im not saying he's bad bc I love his Spiderman work and he's one of my fave Spidey artists but as far as X-men, nope. Thankfully he's only doing part of this book.

[Colossal Spoons]

Awesome JRJR. :D :D

I love his Colossus and Wolverine. His Beast and Feral on the other hand :(

[Valechan]

I miss Moira :(

[Colossal Spoons]

I had to go get a physical 2 days ago and the name of one of the doctors there was Moira McGuinness. I immediately thought of Muir Island :D

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Hmmm, it doesn't look bad, but I still don't think I wanna buy this.

[chris moore]

It now being fact that Charles body vanished right before the X-Men's eyes really pisses me off that Uncanny has Scott and Emma just... off on a vacation! Why is there no limited series or arc in adjectiveless (with legacy being a limited series) dealing with a team dispatched to bring the body home for a proper burial? Are they glad Chuck vanished cos it'll save them the bother of digging the grave or something?! Jeez....

[HandOfFate]

Dang, even with a bullet through the head, Xavier is able to mentally block Exodus.

I also find it interesting that Exodus can manipulate atoms

It now being fact that Charles body vanished right before the X-Men's eyes really pisses me off that Uncanny has Scott and Emma just... off on a vacation! Why is there no limited series or arc in adjectiveless (with legacy being a limited series) dealing with a team dispatched to bring the body home for a proper burial? Are they glad Chuck vanished cos it'll save them the bother of digging the grave or something?! Jeez....

I agree...

[Valechan]

Well Exodus is a telekinetic... we all know tk is basically mind over matter...

[Specter313]

It now being fact that Charles body vanished right before the X-Men's eyes really pisses me off that Uncanny has Scott and Emma just... off on a vacation! Why is there no limited series or arc in adjectiveless (with legacy being a limited series) dealing with a team dispatched to bring the body home for a proper burial? Are they glad Chuck vanished cos it'll save them the bother of digging the grave or something?! Jeez....

Boy, do you need to get your facts in order before going on a rant.

1. Legacy is not a limited series, it is adjectiveless renamed, hence why it took over that book's numbering.
2. You already got your "it being dealt with" with Legacy right here. In Uncanny, they pretty much flat out say that they have no clue where to look for him. How are they supposed to find him if they don't know where to look? Plus, he said Beast was looking into it. Hold your freakin horses and actually read the issue before throwin a fit, jeez.

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Dang, even with a bullet through the head, Xavier is able to mentally block Exodus.

I also find it interesting that Exodus can manipulate atoms



I agree...

It's already on the last page, there's no need for spoiler tags.

[HandOfFate]

It's already on the last page, there's no need for spoiler tags.

Damn, my work computer. I checked the pervious page before I submitted my post and didn't see a thing.

Slow a**, motherfu****:cmad:

Thanks you sir.:yay:

[El Bastardo]

Boy, do you need to get your facts in order before going on a rant.

1. Legacy is not a limited series, it is adjectiveless renamed, hence why it took over that book's numbering.
2. You already got your "it being dealt with" with Legacy right here. In Uncanny, they pretty much flat out say that they have no clue where to look for him. How are they supposed to find him if they don't know where to look? Plus, he said Beast was looking into it. Hold your freakin horses and actually read the issue before throwin a fit, jeez.
Haha. :up:

[OutcryX]

damn...specter's been drinking the bastard's punch

[The Englishman]

Boy, do you need to get your facts in order before going on a rant.

1. Legacy is not a limited series, it is adjectiveless renamed, hence why it took over that book's numbering.
2. You already got your "it being dealt with" with Legacy right here. In Uncanny, they pretty much flat out say that they have no clue where to look for him. How are they supposed to find him if they don't know where to look? Plus, he said Beast was looking into it. Hold your freakin horses and actually read the issue before throwin a fit, jeez.
I would have thought that Cyclops would have more people looking for Xavier other than Beast, say like Iceman!????

[Specter313]

MARVEL MONDAYS: X-Men: Legacy #208
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If you needed any additional proof that the X-universe will never be the same following “Messiah Complex,” look no further than its flagship book’s cover graphic.

Beginning with X-Men #208, shipping Wednesday, the title will carry the subtitle Legacy; as writer Mike Carey explains, it’s symbolic of the radical change in direction the team has taken. So radical, in fact, that Carey proclaims that “this isn’t a team book at all.”

Intrigued? Confused? Angry? Carey explains it all! (Sorta.)

WIZARD: Why the subtitle Legacy?

CAREY: Well, this is a pretty thorough revamp by anyone's standards, in that not a single member of my pre-“Messiah Complex” team is still on the table as the story starts. In fact, as everyone will know by now, this isn't a team book at all--it's a book about Professor Xavier. And because it's about his past as well as his present, the "Legacy" tag seemed to be both apt and justified. This is the man who created the X-Men, and then recreated it when the first team went MIA, and has been their trainer and mentor ever since their earliest days. He's the embodiment of so much that's key to the franchise, to the world we're portraying, and now at last he comes out of the shadows and becomes a protagonist in his own right--rather than someone who moves other people into position and sends them off to battle.

What's going on in the first story arc?

We pick up immediately after the events of “Messiah Complex's” last chapter. Xavier is clinically dead, but Exodus for reasons of his own isn't willing to accept that verdict. More to the point, he's got the raw power to do something about it. But bearing in mind exactly how Xavier was killed, there's no magic wand that can undo the damage. It's going to take a lot more than that, and ultimately it's going to launch Xavier on a very personal quest, which at different times will touch a great many people, friends and foes, and redefine their status in the X-verse.

What X-members are involved?

In the first arc we've got Exodus and the Acolytes, Omega Sentinel and one other very major player who comes in at the end of the first issue. That core cast evolves and expands as we move forward, taking in Rogue and Gambit in the second story arc, along with a favorite X-Men villain of mine. And inevitably we'll look in on the core X-Men cast from time to time, too. Xavier is out of their lives, for now, but he's still affected by decisions they make--and vice versa.
http://us.st1.yimg.com/store1.yimg.com/Img/trans_1x1.gifWhat's the actual status of Professor X in the title? I understand the team is trying to piece together parts of his consciousness.

It starts out as an attempt to repair the damage done by Bishop's bullet, but that turns out to be a lot harder than anyone expected. Exodus thinks that with a combination of his psi-powers and sub-atomic level telekinesis, he can more or less pre-empt God and put Xavier back together again like Humpty Dumpty. But even though he gets in fast and does everything that seems to be necessary, it doesn't work. Xavier remains in a coma, initially, and they have to find some other way to make him re-engage with life.

What use can parts of his psyche be to people like Magneto or Juggernaut?

That's kind of the wrong question, but I can't tell you what the right one is. Nothing has been purposely stolen from Xavier, and this crisis doesn't result from any villain's intervention. At the start of the story he's lost a good percentage of his brain mass. The question is, how do you undo that or undo some of its effects?

Who do you think is taking the absence of Xavier the hardest?

I'd guess, probably, Cyclops. Professor X's death leaves a lot of unfinished business between the two of them, and it might also involve some element of guilt on Scott's side given how recent events played out. His disbanding of the X-Men would seem to reflect the intensity of his feelings there. Can you imagine any other event that would have led him to do that?

What's the most surprising thing readers are going to see in issue #208?

The last-page reveal--and the very unlikely person who steps forward to help Professor X in his hour of greatest need

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[Valechan]

What's the most surprising thing readers are going to see in issue #208?

The last-page reveal--and the very unlikely person who steps forward to help Professor X in his hour of greatest need

Magneto... who's going to be surprised to see Magneto on that last page???

[mightiest_mortal]

Magneto... who's going to be surprised to see Magneto on that last page???

Xorn would be suprised

[UraniaChang]

I would have thought that Cyclops would have more people looking for Xavier other than Beast, say like Iceman!????

Marvel seems content to leave him in limbo...it would be nice if Scott sent Bobby along with Hank, the two of them haven't been together for some time, and it would also show the implied significance bewteen the professor and the O5.

[Mar420x]

Magneto... who's going to be surprised to see Magneto on that last page???


yes its MAGNETO...


remember the preview sketches we saw awhile back of issue 208... :woot:

[The Englishman]

Marvel seems content to leave him in limbo...it would be nice if Scott sent Bobby along with Hank, the two of them haven't been together for some time, and it would also show the implied significance bewteen the professor and the O5.
He's the only member of the X-Men messier complex line-up to just dissapear without any explanation as to where he as gone which i find totally Bull****!!!!!:cmad:

[Havok83]

The first issue was B-O-R-I-N-G. Who at Marvel actually thought this was a good idea. I kept an open mind at first but after 208, Im not feeling it. Looks like UXM will be my monthly X-men fix.

[ragingdemon155]

I picked up Legacy cause I thought that Rogue and Gambit were supposed to play a role in it. Obviously, I was wrong. The last page was kind of a give in though.

The X-universe has a tough act to follow up now after Messiah Complex. That story was so intense. I just hope things don't settle down now. Keep the flow going. Also, give me some damn Rogue and Gambit already!

[spectre]

rogue and gambit aren't supposed to play a role until a little farther into the series, along with an iceman cameo that's supposed to explain where he is post mc

[gothicFLAVOURS]

I actually really liked last issue. It was not action-packed, but it's interesting knowing what's going on in Xavier's mind. And it's a good way to introduce these past moments of the X-Men history to new/younger readers.

[ragingdemon155]

Yea I enjoyed Legacy. I didn't think it was bad. I just don't find Xavier an interesting character at all. I never have. So having an issue dedicated to him really turned me off. That being said, the issue was still enjoyable for me. I'm tired of Marvel teasing us with all these deaths.

Just kill him and be over with it.

[The Englishman]

Yea I enjoyed Legacy. I didn't think it was bad. I just don't find Xavier an interesting character at all. I never have. So having an issue dedicated to him really turned me off. That being said, the issue was still enjoyable for me. I'm tired of Marvel teasing us with all these deaths.

Just kill him and be over with it.
I have to agree with you........

[El Bastardo]

Marvel hasn't teased an Xavier death at all. I'm wondering how many people honestly thought he was dying at the end of Messiah Complex. And technically, Legacy proves he didn't die at all. He was bleeding out; it was stopped.

I just read this issue. I'm a little behind. I really liked it, more than I expected to. Carey continues to show he's a great writer with a huge respect for the X-mythos. And the double pencils were awesome.

[DJSCARLET]

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[OutcryX]

um...is she still possessed by Malice?

[Canemacar]

Nah. Pixie's soulknife killed Malice, but didn't hurt Karima for some reason.

[OutcryX]

ok cool...but why in the hell is she still hanging around with the bad guys?

[El Bastardo]

ok cool...but why in the hell is she still hanging around with the bad guys?
Out of a sense of loyalty to Xavier, and probably now Magneto too. Remember the Genoshan Chronicles.

[DJSCARLET]

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[BoredGuy]

awesome.

[The Englishman]

awesome.
That does look awsome but why is it in the X-Men page??

[spectre]

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Looks like Billy Tan's handling the flashbacks this time. Is this gonna be an issue by issue thing? Each flashback handled by a different artist? That would be pretty cool, and it's a realistic expectation because the sequences are fairly short.

[ultimategambit]

hey guys just got done reading uncanny x-men and it spoiled the giant size astonishing x-men issue that hasnt come out yet, i remember reading the hype around the issue is that an x-man or x-men would die. and after reading it well it gives it away so here is a warning for the following

the x-men that dies is shadowcat. how she dies i dont know but when colossus is at his parents grave, nightcrawler yells at wolverine because he is being insentsitive. nightcrawler goes on about how colossus has lost his parents, his sister and then nightcrawler mentions that kitty is among those lost. colossus then confirms this by saying that the x-men have cost him all that he holds dear.

so if you wanna know who or whom it is read the following. but i'm not gonna ruin it for everyone:woot::woot::woot:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Nah, we've only been calling it since last nov... Oh, wait, november of 2006.

And I don't like how current Magneto looks here.

[spectre]

Since Rogue is gonna show up here eventually I figured I'd post this here. I that in an interview Bendis said during the final battle of House of M when Rogue absorbed Genis-Vel's powers he had intended for the absorption to be permanent and to make Rogue Marvel's next cosmic-powered hero. However the X-editors nixxed the idea.

Interesting idea, not sure how I'd roll with that though.

[UraniaChang]

X-Woman + cosmic power = Bad idea.

[OutcryX]

except her name is Rogue, not Phoenix...so when she inevitably dies from said cosmic power...no worries on her ever returning

[Cdnmouse]

except her name is Rogue, not Phoenix...so when she inevitably dies from said cosmic power...no worries on her ever returning

Thankfully lol there are way too many returns as it is. So I say it would be a good idea :D

[Canemacar]

Since Rogue is gonna show up here eventually I figured I'd post this here. I that in an interview Bendis said during the final battle of House of M when Rogue absorbed Genis-Vel's powers he had intended for the absorption to be permanent and to make Rogue Marvel's next cosmic-powered hero.


Further proving that Bendis is an overpaid idiot.

[Slant]

Well Gambit and Sinister are on the Legacy 213 cover, with Gambit facing the other Marauders.

[DJSCARLET]

can you post the picture?

[Specter313]

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X-MEN: LEGACY #213
Written by MIKE CAREY
Penciled by SCOT EATON
Cover by ALAN DAVIS
Xavier traces his history and the history of the X-Men to the core. What he finds will shock you. And what do Rogue, Gambit and Sebastian Shaw have to do with it?
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99



And I doubt that's Gambit facing the Marauders, since all the other covers have focused on past stories, it's probably just a flashback to the part where Sinister made Gambit the leader of the first Marauders.

[Colossal Spoons]

Meh

[DJSCARLET]

thanks
cover looks so cool, i love the similiar red glowing eyes on gambit and sinister.
it's probably just a flashback to the part where Sinister made Gambit the leader of the first Marauders.
agreed. makes sense

[Canemacar]

So how's this story going to revolve around Rogue? Lord knows it'll happen; the only question is how.

[cerealkiller182]

Where Gambits involved the other isnt to far behind (and vice versa)

[Havok83]

I got scared once I saw that Davis cover. Thank goodness, the interior is still done by Easton

[El Bastardo]

Yeah, that Eaton guy is doing interiors too. Weird, Easton and Eaton.

[spectre]

when are they just gonna come out and reveal gambit is sinister's son? they've been hinting at it for a while now, and i kinda figured it would be revealed during messiah complex

[UraniaChang]

A while?

I think it has been hinted like forever as far as I'm concerned.

[squeekness]

Not his son, silly. His clone. :p

[DJSCARLET]

when are they just gonna come out and reveal gambit is sinister's son? they've been hinting at it for a while now, and i kinda figured it would be revealed during messiah complex
Not his son, silly. His clone.
Must you say that?:cmad:
I never liked that idea after reading x-men the end. Wish they would do a gambit origin already. I would actually like to read that (sick of all the gambit stories have to deal with the guild)

[spectre]

i'd really love to see the origin of gambit, the actual definitive one.

my theory is that when he was born, sinister wanted to use him for genetics experiments. so his mother decided to steal him away and place him in a random hospital somewhere (hello new orleans!) sinister kills the mother (or maybe she kills herself, or better yet maybe he has sabertooth kill her) before he's able to find remy's whereabouts so he manufactures the "le diable blanc" prophecy in the midst of the thieves guild (i never liked the whole prophecy angle so this would be a good way to explain that away), warning them of a baby with red/black eyes who would one day unite the guilds, that way they'd be doing sinister's work, looking for remy, without knowing it. we could establish he had an agent within the guild (or he was disguised as a member of the guild himself) so that he could keep tabs on remy for most of his life, manipulating certain events to his favor until they finally meet for the "first time" when he hires remy to organize the marauders, who of course doesn't know any of this. a hitch finally occurs in sinister's plans when remy expresses doubts about the massacre and saves young marrow and falls off the grid to escape sinister's wrath. and the rest as they say is history. he does the thief thing around the world for a while before meeting storm and joining the x-men.


or something like that, it's not like i've thought this through or anything...

[Valechan]

My Gambit Origin Theory is... read X-Men the end v2 :D It's all in there :D

[OutcryX]

he is the love creation of mixing Summer jizz..er juice with Sinister's

[Canemacar]

I prefer the "weird looking orphan abandoned at birth and raised by organized crime" origin. We don't need a Star Wars "I am your father*!" moment, here.

* = clone, non-summers genetic half, original copy, etc

[spectre]

My Gambit Origin Theory is... read X-Men the end v2 :D It's all in there :D

why do u like that so much? its horribly over complicated and unecessarily so.

[squeekness]

i'd really love to see the origin of gambit, the actual definitive one.

my theory is that when he was born, sinister wanted to use him for genetics experiments. so his mother decided to steal him away and place him in a random hospital somewhere (hello new orleans!) sinister kills the mother (or maybe she kills herself, or better yet maybe he has sabertooth kill her) before he's able to find remy's whereabouts so he manufactures the "le diable blanc" prophecy in the midst of the thieves guild (i never liked the whole prophecy angle so this would be a good way to explain that away), warning them of a baby with red/black eyes who would one day unite the guilds, that way they'd be doing sinister's work, looking for remy, without knowing it. we could establish he had an agent within the guild (or he was disguised as a member of the guild himself) so that he could keep tabs on remy for most of his life, manipulating certain events to his favor until they finally meet for the "first time" when he hires remy to organize the marauders, who of course doesn't know any of this. a hitch finally occurs in sinister's plans when remy expresses doubts about the massacre and saves young marrow and falls off the grid to escape sinister's wrath. and the rest as they say is history. he does the thief thing around the world for a while before meeting storm and joining the x-men.


or something like that, it's not like i've thought this through or anything...This works for me. :D

[Valechan]

why do u like that so much? its horribly over complicated and unecessarily so.

It's not complicated, Sinister made Gambit in order to use his body, much like Apocalypse changes body every couple of hundred years so does Sinister, it's quite simple actually...

[Canemacar]

It's not complicated, Sinister made Gambit in order to use his body, much like Apocalypse changes body every couple of hundred years so does Sinister, it's quite simple actually...

No it isn't. Especially considering the gen-splicing thing with Cyclops. It's bad comic book writing and reeks of bad 90's storytelling.

[squeekness]

No it isn't. Especially considering the gen-splicing thing with Cyclops. It's bad comic book writing and reeks of bad 90's storytelling.
That's how you know the idea came from Claremont. :rolleyes:

[UraniaChang]

Just give Gambit a clean background, the one that Canemacar suggests works for me, the writers dropped so many hints about him but never bothered to finish them, might as well just leave those hints behind.

But no matter what, definitely don't make him another Summers brother, not that I'm against the idea, there are some fanfics make the idea work, but it won't work in canon imo.

[BoredGuy]

Yeah gambit doesn't need some crazy origin starting at his birth... raised by the thieves guild is different enough from the majority of characters who have NO story prior to their powers manifesting...

sinister and clones just make it ridiculous, plus sinister is "dead" so there's no reason for that plot thread anymore...

[Nathan Petrelli]

wasn't Gambit a creation from Mister Sinister?

[squeekness]

It was suggested in X-Men The End that he was a clone blended of Sinister's and Cyclop's DNA, a body in waiting for Sinister's future use. But The End is not considered canon so who knows? :)

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X-MEN: LEGACY #209
COVER BY: DAVID FINCH
WRITER: MIKE CAREY
PENCILS: SCOT EATON
COLORED BY: FRANK D'ARMATA
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Xavier and Magneto face-to-face again! With Xavier comatose and Magneto depowered, these old soldiers appear sidelined. But neither man has abandoned his dream. With the future of mutantkind in flux, how far will these men go to reclaim their place as firsts among their people? And what will happen to those who get in their way?

Fresh off their groundbreaking run on Messiah Complex, writer Mike Carey (X-MEN) and artists Scot Eaton (X-FACTOR) and Billy Tan (UNCANNY X-MEN) take on two of mutantkind’s most iconic figures as well as some of the most important moments in X-Men history.
Rated A …$2.99

[Canemacar]

Magneto is a bit of a hypocrite in the page before last. He tells Xavier to try his own path, the violent one, but acts like Charles is in the wrong when he psy-blasts his ass.

[Valechan]

It was two different issues, Uncanny 304 and then X-Men 25...

[UraniaChang]

Wow, this issue is going to make Erik/Charles shippers so happy.

[El Bastardo]

Magneto is a bit of a hypocrite in the page before last. He tells Xavier to try his own path, the violent one, but acts like Charles is in the wrong when he psy-blasts his ass.

It was two different issues, Uncanny 304 and then X-Men 25...
What Valey said, one.

Two, lots of people are hypocrites. Magneto would be nowhere so good a character were he a flawless villain who only gets thwarted because he's the villain.

[Canemacar]

It was two different issues, Uncanny 304 and then X-Men 25...

I'm talking about how those two issues where juxtaposed in this issue of Legacy. I doubt it was intentional.

[spectre]

the more i look at this stuff the more i have difficulty figuring out how gambit and rogue will figure into this. it just seemed like their story went in a very different direction then xavier's. not to mention gambit's never been particularly close with xavier.

[UraniaChang]

It's more like Xavier has his own story, Gambit and Rogue have theirs, both stories and the characters don't necessarily have to be connected.

[squeekness]

I thought maybe it was going to fall across these lines -- Charles gets his own head straigt first and then he helps Rogue get hers straight and somehow Remy will hopefully do more than simply stand off to the side like the puppy dog has heas been. :(

[Canemacar]

I thought maybe it was going to fall across these lines -- Charles gets his own head straigt first and then he helps Rogue get hers straight and somehow Remy will hopefully do more than simply stand off to the side like the puppy dog has he has been. :(

The solicit makes it sound like Xavier either recalls or discovers his and Gambit's connection to the Black Womb project rather than Gambit having his own part in the story.

Basically, there's no silver lining in this for me: Gambit is probably going to do nothing AND he gets his backstory even more Fked up. Thanks Carey!

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Good stuff.

Kinda funny how Carey's COOL characters don't fare so well against A-listers, eh. :D

[OutcryX]

and i like Sentinel chick...she REALLY needs another, better code name though. It looked as if Magneto wanted to hump Charles's corpse

[Havok83]

and i like Sentinel chick...she REALLY needs another, better code name though. It looked as if Magneto wanted to hump Charles's corpse
I dont even think she needs a codename. Simply Karima was fine. That was original enough. I dont know why Carey thought it was a good idea to call her Omega Sentinel

[Harlekin]

Because that's what she is.

[Havok83]

Because that's what she is.
obviously but she is not the only omega sentinel in the world. The name was too generic and just a bad choice.

[El Bastardo]

Not really, it's what she is. And it's an easy way of referring to her in solicits and/or recaps, as opposed to Karima Shapandababoo or whatever the heck her stupid last name is. And really, it's just fine for characters to call her "sentinel" - as a way of distaste in the case of, say, Exodus and friends - which readers might not understand if they only ever knew her as Karima.

[Havok83]

Not really, it's what she is. And it's an easy way of referring to her in solicits and/or recaps, as opposed to Karima Shapandababoo or whatever the heck her stupid last name is. And really, it's just fine for characters to call her "sentinel" - as a way of distaste in the case of, say, Exodus and friends - which readers might not understand if they only ever knew her as Karima.
who ever called her by her last name? It was always Karima. No last name needed. Its simple and easy enough. When someone says Karima, I think people know who is being referenced. Omega Sentinel isnt a term that refers to only her

[El Bastardo]

who ever called her by her last name? It was always Karima. No last name needed. Its simple and easy enough. When someone says Karima, I think people know who is being referenced. Omega Sentinel isnt a term that refers to only her

Well, if we look at the images on the previous page, of the upcoming issue, we do indeed see someone calling her by her last name. We don't even have to look too closely! "Ms. Shapandar," as uttered by Magneto. And I believe in the Excalibur issues she was referred to by her last name often enough, too.

Regardless, as my previous post stated - or at least hinted at, since I suppose it wasn't 150% obvious - I was talking about the recaps page, and solicits. She IS an omega sentinel. She IS a sentinel. It was part of the way she was brought onboard, it was why Malice possessed her, it's what other characters have referred to her as. It just makes a more seamless transition for the recaps page.

[OutcryX]

i like the name robo-vag...think its taken?

[DJSCARLET]

Prepare yourself, for once again, we delve into the darkest chapter of Gambit's life. Hopefully its entertaining and true to character (and I mean character at the time {17-20 year old Gambit}, not character today).

does anybody at marvel know how to write gambit anymore?
kinda hoping for some positive character development with him.

[K4tzm4n]

New life with Gambit would be lovely...

This may have been addressed already, so sorry if im repeating here...But any word on what's the deal with kitty? New Uncanny they say they lost her...However she's in WWHulk? I assume WWHulk takes place before Astonishing then?

[OutcryX]

kitty has gone bye bye, Giant Astonishing will give the specifics as to how. and yes WW Hulk took place before Messiah..as did Blinded by light....everything that happened in astonishing surprisingly was squoze in between blinded by light and the beginning of messiah...which makes sense that most of the messiah team was hanging around lounging whilst the other x-men were getting their asses kicked...they were resting/recuperating/mourning.....do try and keep up.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

The brat is DEAD. DEAD DEAD DEAD!!!

mwahahahahahaha.

[ragingdemon155]

X-men "Legacy" is the only X title I'm collecting now after "Messiah Complex" wrapped up. The storyline line over in Uncanny doesn't interest me in the least. How are the other X-titles after Messiah complex?

Anyway, Jeez. I'm just anxiously awaiting Gambit/Rogue to reappear already.

[El Bastardo]

Uncanny's the flagship.

X-Force has been fun.

X-Factor has been as good as it always has been.

[Havok83]

X-men "Legacy" is the only X title I'm collecting now after "Messiah Complex" wrapped up. The storyline line over in Uncanny doesn't interest me in the least. How are the other X-titles after Messiah complex?

Anyway, Jeez. I'm just anxiously awaiting Gambit/Rogue to reappear already.
Legacy happens to be the one Im feeling the least. I think so far, Im enjoying UXM the most. The story and the writing is pretty interesting for me

[UraniaChang]

Legacy is one of the X-titles that I'm not really interested, got the first issue but I probably won't pick up the next.

X-Force is surprisingly more interesting than I thought, might pick up the HC.

[OutcryX]

as long as Ellis or Milligan aren't writing it, X-force has and always will be the coolest

[El Bastardo]

Legacy is rather well-written, which isn't too surprising given that it's Carey. It's actually something of a shame that most of you don't seem to be giving it a fair chance, because it's "boring" or "not interesting" right off the bat.

At least it'll be in no danger of getting canceled, regardless.

[Colossal Spoons]

Legacy happens to be the one Im feeling the least. I think so far, Im enjoying UXM the most. The story and the writing is pretty interesting for me

Legacy is one of the X-titles that I'm not really interested, got the first issue but I probably won't pick up the next.


:up:

[OutcryX]

Carey is a really good writer. Legacy will find its legs...as long as it doesn't become Rogues excellent adventures co starring Gambit Xavier and Magneto..oh and Omega Sentinel...just waiting for Lady M to come back to life

[Canemacar]

Legacy is rather well-written, which isn't too surprising given that it's Carey. It's actually something of a shame that most of you don't seem to be giving it a fair chance, because it's &quot;boring&quot; or &quot;not interesting&quot; right off the bat.At least it'll be in no danger of getting canceled, regardless. Don't lump me in with everyone else. I'm not giving it a chance because Carey is a shameless fanboy who makes it no secret that Gambit is just Rogue's plot device as far as he's concerned.

[UraniaChang]

Legacy is rather well-written, which isn't too surprising given that it's Carey. It's actually something of a shame that most of you don't seem to be giving it a fair chance, because it's "boring" or "not interesting" right off the bat.

At least it'll be in no danger of getting canceled, regardless.

It's not like I think this title is down right boring, but its story is more like "guess what other characters are doing in this brief time-out", and the problem of money in my case, I have to be picky if I don't want to spend 100 dollars a month on comics. And the fact that Gambit and Rogue together is one of the last things I will be looking forward to.

I don't know why Marvel left out this particular couple in their efforts of breaking up the old ones.

[K4tzm4n]

So, in legacy they're covering Rogue and Gambit despite the fact she told him to stay away? I hope for once they can properly write Gambit...

[DJSCARLET]

Don't lump me in with everyone else. I'm not giving it a chance because Carey is a shameless fanboy who makes it no secret that Gambit is just Rogue's plot device as far as he's concerned.
WTF? when the hell has carey ever done that?
he never associated rogue with gambit till 207, and they only 'spoke' like half a freaking page.
Legacy seems cool and refreshing to read compared to uncanny and x-force (force is okay so far, but uncanny just seem bleh right now). i like that cary is plunging deeper in xavier's past with the x-men and magneto. it just may seem slow since the damn arc just started, it'll pick up the pace.
as for gambit, who know? maybe carey can give him a decent character development.