Official X-MEN: LEGACY Discussion Thread

[El Bastardo]

Don't lump me in with everyone else. I'm not giving it a chance because Carey is a shameless fanboy who makes it no secret that Gambit is just Rogue's plot device as far as he's concerned.
Did I even mention your name in my post? No, I did not.

Were you trying to draw attention to yourself? It's cute - really, it is. Or something.

For the record, I'd just as soon you didn't actually exist and, as such, generally do not write posts with an eye toward including you in any way, shape, or form.

But thank you.

[Varient]

ouch.

[OutcryX]

damn...wait hold up *grabs big gulp of kool aid and a bag of Doritos*..canopener..you're up...the bastard has thrown down the gauntlet..of love

[Canemacar]

Did I even mention your name in my post? No, I did not. You used "you" in the second-person plural sense of the word. Grammatically, you were speaking to everyone who read your post. If you didn't want to address more than a few select people, the use of more specific inclusives or broader exclusives is required.

tl;dr: English, mother*****er, do you speak it!? Were you trying to draw attention to yourself? It's cute - really, it is. Or something. Hey, I've got a Rogue-bashing quota to fill. It ain't easy being a hater, but I don't mind. It's a labor of love. For the record, I'd just as soon you didn't actually exist and, as such, generally do not write posts with an eye toward including you in any way, shape, or form. But thank you. You know that's not true, bastard. You couldn't help but write a vitriol filled diatribe in response to an off-hand remark that didn't focus on you at all. To provoke such a reaction suggests that you have a fair amount of emotion invested in me. Outcast wasn't kidding when he said you threw down the gauntlet of love.

[The Englishman]

So, in legacy they're covering Rogue and Gambit despite the fact she told him to stay away? I hope for once they can properly write Gambit...
I Wonder what Iceman is going to get up to in this book?....

[Canemacar]

Bobby's in it too? I've only heard of Xavier, Mags, and the lovebirds appearing. Unless it's a cameo or something.

[K4tzm4n]

damn...wait hold up *grabs big gulp of kool aid and a bag of Doritos*..canopener..you're up...the bastard has thrown down the gauntlet..of love
lmfao

[K4tzm4n]

Well, I just decided to read it last night...(despite buying it when it was released...I've been busy, okay?) I don't see how it's starting off "slow", unless "slow" is the new way to define no action. Action doesnt make a good book, just look at Ultimates 3 (imo). At any rate, I found it to be enjoyable and am excited for the next release. The fact I'm a Gambit fanboy just has me even more excited, lol.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I Wonder what Iceman is going to get up to in this book?....

Small role at best. This isn't a continuation per se of Carey's Adjectiveless.

Right now, it's still limbo for the Bobster.

That's what you get for crossing Cyke.

Zing. :woot:

[OutcryX]

You used "you" in the second-person plural sense of the word. Grammatically, you were speaking to everyone who read your post. If you didn't want to address more than a few select people, the use of more specific inclusives or broader exclusives is required.

tl;dr: English, mother*****er, do you speak it!? Hey, I've got a Rogue-bashing quota to fill. It ain't easy being a hater, but I don't mind. It's a labor of love. You know that's not true, bastard. You couldn't help but write a vitriol filled diatribe in response to an off-hand remark that didn't focus on you at all. To provoke such a reaction suggests that you have a fair amount of emotion invested in me. Outcast wasn't kidding when he said you threw down the gauntlet of love.

*looks over at the bastard, gulping the big gulp to unchoke myself from the Doritos* and the canopener has passionately struck back. bastard, do you have a rebuttal? this just may work itself to a satisfying release for everyone

[The Englishman]

Bobby's in it too? I've only heard of Xavier, Mags, and the lovebirds appearing. Unless it's a cameo or something.
Yes its suppose to be a cameo but its suppose to explain what Bobby's been up to since the end of Messier Complex.

[El Bastardo]

You used "you" in the second-person plural sense of the word. Grammatically, you were speaking to everyone who read your post. If you didn't want to address more than a few select people, the use of more specific inclusives or broader exclusives is required.
No, I used "most of you," to be exact. This does not include you, clearly!

You know that's not true, bastard. You couldn't help but write a vitriol filled diatribe in response to an off-hand remark that didn't focus on you at all. To provoke such a reaction suggests that you have a fair amount of emotion invested in me. Outcast wasn't kidding when he said you threw down the gauntlet of love.
It didn't focus on me? Uh... you quoted my post. I'd call that focus, actually.

And really, spitting vehement venom on my part isn't much of a reaction. I do it to everyone. It certainly isn't some odd confession of love. Don't consider yourself special, sillyboy.

[OutcryX]

And bastard strikes back! this is turning into a heated debate of epic proportions. We should invite Spoons and his man-grease. I'm switching over to pie instead of Doritos. *glares at canopener* you ready? I think he said something about ya mother in that last post.

[K4tzm4n]

Screw pie and dorito's...I'm reclined with a Dr. Pepper & popcorn.

[OutcryX]

screw...pie!?!?! My good man, surely u jest... PIE is THE GREATEST CREATION ever bestowed on mankind in the history of life....NEVER talk bad about pie....i'm with you on the dr. pepper tho...maybe i shall mix some into my kool-aid

[K4tzm4n]

I didnt mean to offend you so much with my pie blasphamy, I'm sorry lol. Have you tried the new Chocolate Cherry Dr. Pepper? It's like a liquid cherry tootsie pop, it's horrible.

[Canemacar]

No, I used "most of you," to be exact. This does not include you, clearly! Tell me. In what way is "most" a clear indication of an individual's inclusion or exclusion? You see, in my language, most refers to an unspecified, but greater than half percentage of people in any given group. In this way, it can range anywhere from as few as two(being the smallest possible use of a plural), to over 7 billion given the current population. In what world is 2 - 7,000,000,000 a crisp and clear distinction? It didn't focus on me? Uh... you quoted my post. I'd call that focus, actually. A post that was nearly entirely me *****ing about Carey and his fanboy glee. I know this is a difficult concept for you, but bear with me: You're not the center of everyone else's universe. Just sit back and let that one sink in. Hit a bong or two if you need to. And really, spitting vehement venom on my part isn't much of a reaction. I do it to everyone. It certainly isn't some odd confession of love. Don't consider yourself special, sillyboy. I'm in tears over here, man. What are you, 13 or something? Listen up kiddie-boy; the "I hate the world" shtick is going to wear thin for you in a few years and you're going to realize that it didn't make you cool and it didn't make you happy. You're going to look back and mentally slap yourself for having your head lodged so far up your ass. But don't worry; realizing that you were a total douchebag is just part of growing up. Tune in next time when I explain the birds and the bees to little Bastardo.

[Canemacar]

Internet! You've betrayed me! *shakes fist*

[El Bastardo]

:D

Okay, that's enough of that. Two and two, all fair, all even, even numbers are good.

The age thing is kind of cliche and lame, though. Even Outcry will back me on that, I suspect. But otherwise, you're getting there! :up:

[UraniaChang]

Small role at best. This isn't a continuation per se of Carey's Adjectiveless.

Right now, it's still limbo for the Bobster.

That's what you get for crossing Cyke.

Zing. :woot:

Scott is still pissed at Bobby for disrespecting his clothes? :woot:

Maybe Bobby just takes a vacation to buy more superhero T-shirts as compensation.

[OutcryX]

I didnt mean to offend you so much with my pie blasphamy, I'm sorry lol. Have you tried the new Chocolate Cherry Dr. Pepper? It's like a liquid cherry tootsie pop, it's horrible.

YES!! OMFG!! That soda is TERRIBLE Dr. Pepper really needs to stop experimenting with the different flavors..they all suck...the new chocolate one tastes like they scooped up some raw sewage, added a lil fizz and mass marketed it to us weak willed simpletons willing to try something new by abusing our trust...cuz regular Dr. Pepper is the bee's knees and Diet Dr. Pepper tastes just like regular Dr. Pepper...which tastes like Mr. Pibb...but I digress.

and your pie remarks are forgiven...I'm on to popcorn myself now.

[OutcryX]

i am glad the war is over. now i have an upset stomach and an empty pitcher of kool aid...and it was my favorite flavor too...red

[El Bastardo]

Red is a flavor?

[OutcryX]

my favorite...that and grape...and when you mix the two...it's like having an orgasm in someone's mouth...wait...did i say that right?

[El Bastardo]

Yes, but...

See, grape IS a flavor. Red? Red is a color, dear boy.

[K4tzm4n]

That's where you're mistaken, kind sir. Red actually originated as a flavor back in 1734. Look it up sometime.....Or don't, because I made it up.

[OutcryX]

Yes, but...

See, grape IS a flavor. Red? Red is a color, dear boy.


is that a trasformer in your avvy box? Megatron from Beast Wars?


anyways....red is a flavor...it doesnt matter which fruit goes into making it...it all tastes red...except for red cream soda...which disappoints me terribly.

[K4tzm4n]

Whoa whoa....



If he's going to have a Megatron avatar, it better not be the Beast Wars version.

[Colossal Spoons]

And bastard strikes back! this is turning into a heated debate of epic proportions. We should invite Spoons and his man-grease. I'm switching over to pie instead of Doritos. *glares at canopener* you ready? I think he said something about ya mother in that last post.

Sunova!

[Colossal Spoons]

my favorite...that and grape...and when you mix the two...it's like having an orgasm in someone's mouth...wait...did i say that right?

:dry:

Outcry! You're too crude for school :(

[OutcryX]

guess u missed the one about u and the grease...

its over in the astonishing thread....

[El Bastardo]

is that a trasformer in your avvy box? Megatron from Beast Wars?

Yes. And the words underneath it are from his quoting of the Covenant of Primus, third season.

Whoa whoa....

If he's going to have a Megatron avatar, it better not be the Beast Wars version.
Hey now. While G1 Megatron is an evil terrorist megalomaniac, BW Megatron is an evil genius megalomaniac. And Beast Wars was freaking phenomenal.

[K4tzm4n]

Well, I'm glad it supported the fact that Megatron should completely own Optimus....TRex V Gorilla?....I rest my case.

[OutcryX]

Yes. And the words underneath it are from his quoting of the Covenant of Primus, third season.


Hey now. While G1 Megatron is an evil terrorist megalomaniac, BW Megatron is an evil genius megalomaniac. And Beast Wars was freaking phenomenal.


Beast Wars WAS awesome. I agree..I truly do..i even have a soft spot in my heart for Beast Machines...one question though...and it may have been answered within the show..but since they crash landed on earth millions of years before the G1 transformers awoke from their slumber...and there was nothing but dinosaurs and prehistoric creatures.....WHY did they feel the need to blend in again?

[K4tzm4n]

lmao...Valid point. There was really no need at all...


Oh, wait...I forgot the one reason. To look amazingly cool.

[Slant]

From Carey's X-Position, when asked about whether or not they'll address Gambit's heritage

it is, yeah. But I don't know how far we'll move that along in the second arc, which is where Gambit comes back into play.

Then later, when talking about Xavier
The whole theme of the second arc is fathers and sons

So uh, I guess we'll be finding out who Gambit's daddy is? Is it Sinister? Apocalypse? Corsair? a test tube?

[El Bastardo]

lmao...Valid point. There was really no need at all...


Oh, wait...I forgot the one reason. To look amazingly cool.
Incorrect. See below.

Beast Wars WAS awesome. I agree..I truly do..i even have a soft spot in my heart for Beast Machines...one question though...and it may have been answered within the show..but since they crash landed on earth millions of years before the G1 transformers awoke from their slumber...and there was nothing but dinosaurs and prehistoric creatures.....WHY did they feel the need to blend in again?
It wasn't a matter of blending in. For the Autobots and Decepticons in the 1980s, or whenever current G1 comics take place now, it is. The transformations are also a matter of protection from energon. While that was less so in G1, because energon levels were depleted, in the prehistoric Earth of Beast Wars, the energon levels were raw and off the scale. Thus, being in robot form for too long, especially in the first season, eventually led to energon poisoning and stasis lock.

This was less so in the subsequent two seasons, after the false moon eradicated most of the energon stores on the planet and gave way to the transmetals. Then the forms became more of a transportation bonus - note that Rhinox rarely goes into rhino form in later seasons, but Surfboard Monkey Optimus and Optimal Optimus and Ratwheel Rattrap and Superbooster Cheetor, et al, do.

[DJSCARLET]

So uh, I guess we'll be finding out who Gambit's daddy is? Is it Sinister? Apocalypse? Corsair? a test tube?
:huh::huh:please dont let it be sinister. please dont let it be sinster. please dont let it be sinister.
















It's gonna be sinister isnt it?:cmad::cmad:

[K4tzm4n]

Well...There is that one cover where he's apparently standing in front of Sinister...Almost like he's protecting him.

[spectre]

i've been sayin it for a while now

[Specter313]

From his own Marauders? I doubt it. As has been stated before, the Legacy covers are supposed to be homages to past storylines, and that one would be when Sinister put Gambit in charge of leading the Marauders to the Morlock tunnels.

[OutcryX]

Incorrect. See below.


It wasn't a matter of blending in. For the Autobots and Decepticons in the 1980s, or whenever current G1 comics take place now, it is. The transformations are also a matter of protection from energon. While that was less so in G1, because energon levels were depleted, in the prehistoric Earth of Beast Wars, the energon levels were raw and off the scale. Thus, being in robot form for too long, especially in the first season, eventually led to energon poisoning and stasis lock.

This was less so in the subsequent two seasons, after the false moon eradicated most of the energon stores on the planet and gave way to the transmetals. Then the forms became more of a transportation bonus - note that Rhinox rarely goes into rhino form in later seasons, but Surfboard Monkey Optimus and Optimal Optimus and Ratwheel Rattrap and Superbooster Cheetor, et al, do.

ah yes! i remember now! i KNEW there was an explanation for them taking animal forms...just couldn't remember it. preciate you bastard.

[spectre]

From his own Marauders? I doubt it. As has been stated before, the Legacy covers are supposed to be homages to past storylines, and that one would be when Sinister put Gambit in charge of leading the Marauders to the Morlock tunnels.

well i figured it was just the david finch covers that were homages. and as i recall it was gambit who actually assembled the marauders at sinister's behest. i'm just sayin i think sinister is gambit's father. that's my only claim.

[Specter313]

Mike, our first question is, hopefully, a simple one. It comes our way from Prpleter, who was seeking some clarification about the end of “Messiah CompleX.”

Are we ever going to see what exactly occurred when Professor X’s body “disappeared” after he was shot? It was like, the X-Men were there with him at the end of “Messiah CompleX,” then his body was gone, and then in the next issue, Cyclops said that Beast is looking for him. What happened?

The answer we're given in “X-Men: Legacy” #208 is the closest we're ever going to get, Prpleter. Exodus used Tempo's time-altering powers to take Xavier's body from the midst of the grieving X-Men, and their lack of apparent reaction was because they were frozen in time and hadn't yet registered that he was gone. We get their later reactions in ‘Uncanny,’ but we never see that actual moment except in flashback.

Following up from that, Andre 4000 wanted some help with understanding what occurred in “X-Men: Legacy” #208.

1) What is exactly going on with Xavier health-wise? Wolverine said it was a fatal shot, but Exodus is saying that he’s okay except for part of his brain? Could you help me understand this better?

Sure, Andre – Bishop's bullet did massive and far-reaching damage to Xavier's brain. More than enough damage to cause his death – and both Beast and Wolverine effectively give us that verdict at the close of #207, that the Professor has already died.

But Exodus stepped in before any degeneration of Xavier's tissues had taken place, and he repaired the organic damage to Prof X's brain telekinetically – intervening at a cellular level. He wasn't able to prevent memory loss, whether because of the physical damage or the psychological trauma or both.

2) Why would Exodus grab Xavier without involving the X-Men, if he wants to save Xavier? After all Exodus has done to the X-Men, it seems strange and somewhat disingenuous that he would try to save their leader now…

I don't think I agree. Exodus blocked the X-Men because he was going along with Sinister's plans for the best way to use the Messiah Child as a tool for the rebirth of the mutant race. But it's that same agenda – the survival and ascendancy of mutantkind – that makes him see Xavier's value and step in to save him. There's a paradox there, from most people's perspective, but it's not disingenuous; it's another example of how narrowly focused Exodus's world view is.

Wjgmianecke wrote in next, and he was concerned with the professor’s medical care. Can you assuage his fears, Mike?

I was pleasantly surprised and quite pleased with the first issue of “X-Men: Legacy.” However, there was one detail that I just could not understand: Why is Xavier’s head wound left unbandaged?

If they’re trying to keep the man alive, shouldn’t Omega Sentinel have had one of her many mechanical tendrils attending to that (yuck!) oozing wound? Or at least some gauze? It just didn’t jive with Exodus’ intentions and was really difficult to ignore for me…

Bear in mind that Exodus is one of the most powerful telekinetic mutants alive. With his attention focused on that wound, he can do everything that a bandage can do and a lot more.

Exodus – the world’s best band-aid!

Several readers sent in handfuls of questions, and as they were all quality queries, I decided to list them below and let Mike loose on them. First up is Red Lotus….

1) You have said before that the Gambit heritage line from “Blood of Apocalypse” would probably be explored this year. Is that still in the works?

It is, yeah. But I don't know how far we'll move that along in the second arc, which is where Gambit comes back into play. It might have to wait a little longer before you get a clear answer.

2) With Gambit having a role in “Legacy,” are there any plans to use Courier, Fontanelle or Belladonna?

Sadly, no. I was thinking at one stage about a plotline that would have brought Fontanelle in, but it opened some cans of worms that I couldn't deal with in the framework I was trying to set up. We will be seeing someone very closely associated with her, though.

3) Are we eventually going to see Shaw’s plans for Sunspot?

We see them interacting, and we get some inkling of where the tensions between them are going.

4) In the first issue of “Legacy,” we see that there are a lot gray areas when it comes to Xavier and his behavior. Are you planning on showing even more of his dark side in issues to come?

The thrust of the series is Xavier trying to reach a better understanding of his own actions and motivations – coming to them almost as an outsider because of the memories he's lost. He'll be going to some very dark places as a part of that, but it's a process of exploration, really: a psychological journey with a psychological pay-off.

Contestant number two is Marcus Martin, who wanted to know more about what we’ll be witnessing in upcoming “Legacy” stories.

1) Are there any other Marvel Heroes, besides the X-Men, that will appear within Legacy's flashbacks or in present time?

No, I don't think so. This is a very mutant-centric book.

2) Will Wolverine be making an appearance within “Legacy”? Will Professor Xavier be seeing any past memories of meeting Logan before he came to the X-Men? Is that even possible?

Wolverine will appear in some of the flashbacks, but there aren't going to be any revelations here about his past relationship with Xavier. That would feel like a digression here, if only because there are other books in the line where Wolverine's backstory is being explored in a lot of depth.

3) Are you guys really going through every moment of X-Men history, even “The Dark Phoenix” saga, the “Onslaught” saga and “Operation Zero Tolerance,” within the pages of “Legacy”?

I think that would be pretty near impossible! No, what we're doing is taking biopsies – significant moments are excised from their context and looked at again from a new angle. It's really all about drawing connections between things, illuminating some stuff that's been hinted at in the past, and tracing the path of Professor Xavier's development as a character through all of these events. That's a big enough agenda for me...

That’s big enough for any writer to tackle! Lastly, we’ll let Gavin J. go through his lengthy list. Brace yourself, Mike!

1) Being a fan of redemption stories, I like the potential of seeing Xavier look over the expanse of his life to date. I’m curious though, what will happen after or when he comes to his proverbial senses and sees the state of mutantkind today? Will Xavier draft his own group of X-Men to deal with mutant problems from his perspective? Or will he and this series continue to operate in a solo capacity? (I ask this because I miss the idea of you writing a team book…)

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Gavin. That's a question that goes to the core of the book's premise, really, because it's really asking whether Xavier will revert to patterns of behavior that have defined him from his very first appearance in the X-verse. Acting through others – and undertaking the protection, education and training of others – has always been Prof X's M.O.

Now he's in a kind of enforced exile for a while, and examining his own past in a way that's almost forensic. I suspect that forging a new team will be something he'll fight shy of for the foreseeable future. Which is not to say that a team might not come into being around him, I guess...

2) Professor Xavier’s romantic relationships have always taken a distinct second (or third) place to his dream of human-mutant integration/harmony. It’s great to be reminded of the rift this created in his relationship with Amelia Voight (and to some degree Gabrielle Haller).

Yeah, I agree. I find Xavier's emotional life fascinating – particularly with respect to the ways it's intersected with his aspirations for mutants as a whole. You could add Moira to that list, too.

3) Will we be seeing other aspects of Xavier’s personal life focused upon, as he sacrificed them for his “dream?” Maybe a bit of focus on his once-deceased (and rather interesting) son Legion? Will there be any romantic interests in the Professor’s future?

The whole theme of the second arc is fathers and sons, and Legion will be visited as part of that. Future romances...it's possible, yeah. There's a slight hint coming up, which we may expand on later on.

4) What can you tell us about the Cannonball/Husk one-shot coming up (the more Guthrie sibling action I get, the better)?

It's just a short, written for one of the “Divided We Stand” anthologies. It has Sam coming home to Cumberland in the aftermath of “Messiah CompleX” and trying to work out some of the anger and frustration he feels at how things worked out. And it has Paige giving him a few home truths. It's pure character beats, really. There's a fight scene, but it's a foregone conclusion; we're more concerned with why it happens at all than how it comes out.

5) The “Messiah CompleX” crossover payoffs on the plotlines including Mystique, Rogue and Gambit were some of my favorite moments in the story. Are you generally pleased with the outcome of that aspect of the story? Will Rogue assume the mantle of leadership again in the near future?

I'm pleased that we got such a big stage, as it were, for the climax of those story elements – we'd spent a lot of time and thought in setting them up. I feel bad that Rogue was off the table for such a lot of the big action, because I know a lot of Rogue fans took that hard.

There are some more ramifications to be played out, and I'm weaving them into ‘Legacy.’ After that, look for Rogue to be in the spotlight again. Yeah, I know, I'm ducking the "leadership" part of that question – it's tied up with some other things that I can't talk about yet..

6) Despite how complicated their relationship is, I’m really fascinated by watching the painful estrangement of Rogue and Mystique. Any chance of them crossing paths in the near future? Will she acknowledge that her mother, despite the methods, saved her life?

I think she has acknowledged that, and it adds another twist of the knife as far as she's concerned – that in a way she was the trigger for many of the things that Mystique did. Will their paths cross again? Not in “Legacy,” but I hope and trust that they will soon.

And I hope and trust these terrific answers satisfied all of our X-POSITION readers out there. Thanks Mike!

[Specter313]

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[Canemacar]

The more I hear about Carey's plans for Gambit, the less I like it. It's like he's reading my mind to find out what I like about the character, then writing a story specifically designed to crush that.

[El Bastardo]

Maybe if you were more cuddly and likable, all would be well.

[Canemacar]

So you're saying I should've cuddled with Carey in exchange for comic favors?

[Valechan]

Who is that woman carrying a dead woman in her arms?

Also, 209 was kinda boring

[Canemacar]

Moria I think. You can see her standing beside xavier in an earlier page.

[Specter313]

Looks more like Emma to me. Probably supposed to be the scene where she's carrying Negasonic Teenage Warhead from the rubble of Genosha.

[BMM]

I was thinking it was one of the Cuckoos.


Yeah, it's Emma Frost holding Sophie Cuckoo from New X-Men 137.

[Valechan]

Land's art can be so generic, without colors it's hard to distinguish who's who...

[spark627]

he has to find new people to trace, it all looks the same

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

The more I hear about Carey's plans for Gambit, the less I like it. It's like he's reading my mind to find out what I like about the character, then writing a story specifically designed to crush that.

Now that's REALLY not fair.

This ain't about crushing Gumbo per se. It's just about pimping Roguey. And Gumbo's collateral.

Not much consolation, is it?? :wow:

And regarding the art: oh, the joy of trying to figure who the f**k Land traced before the coloring was done.

[Xofenroht]

Hmmm...I wonder if Gambit inherited those red eyes from Sinister...

[K4tzm4n]

^I was thinking that as well.

[Valechan]

Nah, it was his other father, Scott Summers, who gave him the eyes :p

[K4tzm4n]

hah...What universe was it where Gambit was a mix of Sinister & Cyclops?

[Valechan]

X-Men: The End

[DJSCARLET]

god forbid marvel pulls a darth vader/luke skywalker stunt. it would be cool if they did it in a 'what if?' but NOT in mainstream. gambit's story is already full of angst.

[BMM]

I agree in that I would only want to see something like that in a "What If" arc. I hate when writers always feel the need to relate characters through some convoluted backstory.

[UraniaChang]

Even in a What If Gambit didn't fare that well..."What If...the X-Men Condemned Gambit To Death".

He doesn't need anymore mysterious background, giving him a complicated origin now won't help the future of his character.

[OutcryX]

they should make him go evil...for real...like Bihop

[UraniaChang]

I think Bishop is now more like the old Cable, not exactly evil.

[Havok83]

I definetly thought the second issue was alot better than the first. Im glad that we are finally seeing Magneto among his old followers and I thought their reactions were pretty good. Cargill annoyed the heck out of me so I was glad when Magneto took her down. I didnt expect to see Xaiver awake so soon.

Why did they draw Exodus' face so red? It was too much

[@JeanGrey]

X-Men Legacy #209 had great characterization, great lines (especially the dialogue between Mags and Charles and the answer to Karima's question- the irrelevant part was magic!). The plot was subtle- we see the views of Acolytes, Magneto, Xavier and Karima on issue of mutant supremacy.

And Cargill ruled in that issue. Carey knows what to do with most of the characters.

Art may not be perfect, but it suits the story.

I liked it more than the previous,and I give it 9/10.

[@JeanGrey]

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Man! He need to attend art school at least to learn to draw 2-3 different patterns of women faces!

Land gets worse and worse...:csad:

[K4tzm4n]

Just downloaded X-Men: The End...It's not 616 continuity, correct?

[Canemacar]

No. There were rumors that they'd start incorporating it into 616 though.

[K4tzm4n]

Thank you.

[Valechan]

a) You don't download comics, you BUY them
b) not it's not, although all events prior to HOM that are referred to in that series SHOULD be taken into account seeing as HOM was the diverging point from where that timeline began...

[K4tzm4n]

a) I buy most of my comics...Odd's are if I like this enough, I'll purchase it :)
b) Thank you.

[Valechan]

Still you don't say that you download comics if you download comics :p It's not polite

[K4tzm4n]

My apologies....When I said download...I...uh...Meant via Marvel's digital comics...... :) lol

[Valechan]

LOL :p

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

No. There were rumors that they'd start incorporating it into 616 though.

But then they shipped CC to Exiles-exclusively and stopped giving a s**t about not hurting his feelings.

[Valechan]

It's a pity because he was planning that major war with the Brood around Uncanny 500 :(

[squeekness]

I for one was happy to see CC shipped off to a dark corner. He's been horrible. :(

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

It's a pity because he was planning that major war with the Brood around Uncanny 500 :(

Eeeeeew.

[spectre]

i really wouldn't wanna see the x-men fight the brood for the 500th issue. that's a landmark thing and it would be just the wrong kind of story.

while i respect the history of the x-men's cosmic elements like the shi'ar, the brood, etc. i really don't care for them because it sort of distances the x-men from their core concept. those kind of cosmic stories would be better suited for the avengers or the fantastic four. as far as superhero teams go, the x-men should stay fairly down to earth, as the issue that separates them from other teams is how they are perceived by the rest of humanity. i'm not saying that should be what every storyline is about (that would get tiresome after awhile), but you don't get any of that when the x-men are off in space fighting a bunch of alien cockroaches.

[OutcryX]

i like x-men in space stories when written well. i don't think they take anything away from their 'core concept'. They can and have saved the world both on Earth and off of it countless times and are still just as feared and hated if not more so

[spectre]

i just personally feel like it doesn't fit them.

[OutcryX]

to each his own. i feel it suits them just fine

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

to each his own. i feel it suits them just fine

Personally hate most MU space stories.

It's basically BAD sci-fi with a STRAIGHT FACE.

F*****n surreal.

Well, to be fair, it was mostly cheesy/campy during the first 15-20 years, but then it got all serious during the 80s and 90s. Just... WTF, lol? :D

[Havok83]

I for one was happy to see CC shipped off to a dark corner. He's been horrible. :(
You speek the truth. He was coasting on his former glory and while he was great 20 years ago, his recent stuff just hasnt been all that good.

[OutcryX]

Personally hate most MU space stories.

It's basically BAD sci-fi with a STRAIGHT FACE.

F*****n surreal.

Well, to be fair, it was mostly cheesy/campy during the first 15-20 years, but then it got all serious during the 80s and 90s. Just... WTF, lol? :D

ignoring all thats been done recently and going back to when Rogue's team was in space....AWESOME..i even liked Rogue's pink outfit..and the Bishop Deathbird pairing was pure sex on wings!

[OutcryX]

oh and Claremont stopped being good after he gave birth to Dark Phoenix...ieverything else has been a messy placenta

[Canemacar]

oh and Claremont stopped being good after he gave birth to Dark Phoenix...ieverything else has been a messy placenta

Wrong, mon ami. Days of Future Past came out two issues after DPS.

Oh, and gambit too about 10 years later. but other than that you're right.

[OutcryX]

Gambit? really? think long and hard about that one

you got with Days of Future Past though...completely slipped my mind

[Varient]

I definetly thought the second issue was alot better than the first. Im glad that we are finally seeing Magneto among his old followers and I thought their reactions were pretty good. Cargill annoyed the heck out of me so I was glad when Magneto took her down. I didnt expect to see Xaiver awake so soon.

Why did they draw Exodus' face so red? It was too much
Struck me as Strange that Cargill would even consider Killing Xaiver after Exodus burned so much energy trying to bring him back,... this was beyond her canoned "crazy-*****" persona,.. because she had to know what exodus would do to her when he came back and found Xaiver dead.

Impressed with Magneto taking her down using a laser thru her eye.

[Canemacar]

Gambit? really? think long and hard about that one

You've got to remember that Claremont didn't create the whipped pantwaist you see today. The Gambit Claremont created was a stone cold bastard.

Course, it was all downhill from there.....

[UraniaChang]

Some of Gambit fans don't care, their typical reaction is mostly "AWWW,Gambit is soooo HOT/SEXY!!!"
Sometimes I think he might fare better if they don't feel him appealing at all.

[Canemacar]

Some of Gambit fans don't care, their typical reaction is mostly "AWWW,Gambit is soooo HOT/SEXY!!!"
Sometimes I think he might fare better if they don't feel him appealing at all.

And the kicker is that he wasn't even supposed to be hot or sexy. He was originally meant to be like Humphrey Bogart in that he didn't look attractive, but had enough charisma that looks didn't even matter.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

And the kicker is that he wasn't even supposed to be hot or sexy. He was originally meant to be like Humphrey Bogart in that he didn't look attractive, but had enough charisma that looks didn't even matter.

Reminds me of how some fans were whining about that Bianchi cover.

Something about creases around the eyes and how he looked burned out... Totally OOC, of course. :whatever:

[Slant]

This topic always reminds me of that one page Bachalo drew of Gambit in 200.

That was quite hilarious.

[Canemacar]

Reminds me of how some fans were whining about that Bianchi cover.

Something about creases around the eyes and how he looked burned out... Totally OOC, of course. :whatever:

That cover kicked ass. I had it as my wallpaper for a few weeks.

The older, burned out look was great; much better than the adolescent androgyny look he usually has.

This topic always reminds me of that one page Bachalo drew of Gambit in 200.

That was quite hilarious.

You mean the one with Farah Fawcett hair? They actually used it as the covor on one of the reprints.

[Slant]

Yeah, the hair was what did it. Combine that with Sinister's hairdo and I've come to the conclusion that the Marauders do each others hair in their spare time, when they're not murdering or whatever.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Yeah, the hair was what did it. Combine that with Sinister's hairdo and I've come to the conclusion that the Marauders do each others hair in their spare time, when they're not murdering or whatever.

As if Sins' would let anyone do Gumbo's hair.

Old man no doubt has a rather proactive role in the whole process.

[UraniaChang]

And the kicker is that he wasn't even supposed to be hot or sexy. He was originally meant to be like Humphrey Bogart in that he didn't look attractive, but had enough charisma that looks didn't even matter.

Yes, but to some people, his look (amplified by imagination) is the only thing that matters.
No one should be able to look too good with all the drinking and smoking.

[Canemacar]

Yes, but to some people, his look (amplified by imagination) is the only thing that matters.
No one should be able to look too good with all the drinking and smoking.

Which is why I liked that one picture of Gambit and the Marauders. Gambit's face was lined and creased, he had a hooked nose, and a predatory grin; just like in his debute issue from the early 90's.

[DJSCARLET]

http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/2000/1499/147011-gambit_400.jpg
its a wicked pic of him, sucks that it was just used for a one-shot.
i wish they drew him like this in the comics. its funny with gambit ,somehow they always manage deage him.

[Canemacar]

http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/2000/1499/147011-gambit_400.jpg
its a wicked pic of him, sucks that it was just used for a one-shot.

Thats the one. It's probably my favorite pic of him from the last 10 years. No overdone 90's masculinity(freakishly bulging muscles, carpets of body hair, etc), but no androgynous pretty-boy either.

i wish they drew him like this in the comics. its funny with gambit ,somehow they always manage deage him.

Or worse:

http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/2000/1499/167895-gambit_400.jpg


*shudders*

[BoredGuy]

I always saw him lookin like Michael Biehn in Terminator; age-wise and gruffness-wise...

Hell, I'd deal with him lookin like Biehn now, rather than transexual gambit^

[BoredGuy]

sry, double

[Canemacar]

I always saw him lookin like Michael Biehn in Terminator; age-wise and gruffness-wise...

Since Biehn was the guy they based the early version of Solid Snake after, I support it fully.

http://static.flickr.com/50/133374501_9f2e9ee958.jpg

[OutcryX]

you know they are making that into a movie right?

[El Bastardo]

Biehn rocks. So underrated. Johnny Ringo!

[Havok83]

Since Biehn was the guy they based the early version of Solid Snake after, I support it fully.

http://static.flickr.com/50/133374501_9f2e9ee958.jpg
wow, I had no idea that that was where Snake came from

[Canemacar]

wow, I had no idea that that was where Snake came from

The later look of the character(from MGS onwards) was based on Snake Pliskin(Snake calling himself Pliskin in MGS2 was a reference to this):

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:xhNvXdEbSkMzFM:http://glovestudio.com/squatsquat/wp-content/photos/snake_pliskin.jpg

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

wow, I had no idea that that was where Snake came from

Seconded. Just... wow.

Take it that pic of Bien is from T1?

[El Bastardo]

Seconded. Just... wow.

Take it that pic of Bien is from T1?
It looks it.

[Jake Cassidy]

Biehn rocks. So underrated. Johnny Ringo!

:woot: 1 of the coolest villains ever. I love Tombstone.

[El Bastardo]

Tombstone was a phenomenal movie.

In other news, this second issue of Legacy was really quite good.

[TromaFreak64]

I like the second issue, but I just feel like Carey is a little in love with Omega Sentinel... after the end of Messiah Complex I thought we were gonna be done with her for a while.

[OutcryX]

Tombstone was a phenomenal movie.

In other news, this second issue of Legacy was really quite good.

Bastard..we both like Beihn, we both like Tombstone..its as if it was just meant to be...

[K4tzm4n]

Anyone else feel like they're attemping to redeem Gambit being absolutely crapped on all these years? He managed to take on Cable and Bishop. Both with assistance, but still good feats. His "fight" with Wolverine was still pathetic and they absolutely have no clue how to properly write him. He either sounds like a complete idiot or nothing like himself. It's hard to find the right balance. Anyway, think they'll actually have good use of him in Legacy or like stated before, just be a plot device for Rogue?

[squeekness]

:woot: 1 of the coolest villains ever. I love Tombstone.
"I'm yer huckleberry." :p

Anyone else feel like they're attemping to redeem Gambit being absolutely crapped on all these years? He managed to take on Cable and Bishop. Both with assistance, but still good feats. His "fight" with Wolverine was still pathetic and they absolutely have no clue how to properly write him. He either sounds like a complete idiot or nothing like himself. It's hard to find the right balance. Anyway, think they'll actually have good use of him in Legacy or like stated before, just be a plot device for Rogue?Seeing as how no one has managed to properly write him in ages, I fear it will be the latter, a plot device for Rogue. :(

[K4tzm4n]

*sigh*...I'm really hoping that isn't true...Notice in the later issue's of Messiah he completely lost his accent? Honestly, I don't care if Sinister turns out to be his father...Just make it a good story and have me actually feel some emotion for one of my favorite characters. Is that really so much to ask?

[Canemacar]

Anyone else feel like they're attemping to redeem Gambit being absolutely crapped on all these years?

No. Not only is he Rogue's plot device for Legacy, but they're also bringing up ridiculous plots from the 90's that only make his backstory complicated and annoying and they're hinting at his The End origin becoming official.

He's also being changed into a completely different character in the wolverine movie as well as being left out of things like the Uncanny 500 cover.

There is no way Marvel is trying to do anything positive with the character.

[K4tzm4n]

Wait a second...Completely changed in the movie? They have an update on his character? It's really sad what they're doing to him...Why even bother having him in anything if they're just going to treat him in such a manner?

[Canemacar]

Wait a second...Completely changed in the movie? They have an update on his character? It's really sad what they're doing to him...Why even bother having him in anything if they're just going to treat him in such a manner?


They've apparently decided to turn him into a product of weapon X like Wolverine and Deadpool.

[K4tzm4n]

You've got to be kidding me. I thought Wolverine encounters Remy in New Orleans...I truly hope what you said is only a rumor.

[Canemacar]

There's a wizard article about it:

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/032908wolvcast.html

[K4tzm4n]

God that's depressing.

[mightiest_mortal]

Wait a second...Completely changed in the movie? They have an update on his character? It's really sad what they're doing to him...Why even bother having him in anything if they're just going to treat him in such a manner?

You should be glad your not an Cyclops fan... or a Psylocke, Angel or Juggernaut fan... or a fan of anyone in X3 to be honest :( gah that film really sucked.

Lets just hope Gambit and Deadpool arent going to just be nameless goons for Wolverine to off.

[K4tzm4n]

hahah good point...However, we'll just have to wait and see how they handle him...My guess is he does ONE remotely cool thing before getting defeated by Wolverine.

[K4tzm4n]

And hey...Cyclops.....um....Did a good job shooting the practice discs in X1.........lol. Ah, and don't forget Colossus.

[iamlegend]

There's a wizard article about it:

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/032908wolvcast.html

In all honesty, I'm not bothered. They've completely changed the story for damn near every X-Man in the movies, so this is nothing surprising. Heck, maybe it'll work out. It's got to at least give him a bit more screen time than a "running into Gambit in New Orleans" sub-plot would generate, which might be a plus...

I don't give a crap about the characters back story in the movie as long as his characterization is somewhat on par with what it should be. And since Rogue is nowhere near this movie, we've at least got a shot.

As for comics Gambit... it's not looking good. The only writer that "wants" to use him is Carey, and only because of Rogue.

On a side note, I find Carey's obsession with C-listers like Karima annoying as all hell.

[DJSCARLET]

they already ruined rogue, angel, cyclops, and a bunch of other characters in the movie, gambit (and deadpool) is just another one to add to the list if the 'weapon x' rumor is true. aslong as it doenst leak into the mainstream comic, i'm fine.
writers donts seem to have an interest in gambit anymore, maybe its time to kill of gambit or atleast bring back his series (if they can find someone to write it right)? with the movie coming fans will probably ask more of him in the comics.
On a side note, I find Carey's obsession with C-listers like Karima annoying as all hell
all the other a-lister are off in uncanny or on break, who else can he use? out of all c-list characters karima isnt the worse.
by the way does anyone know when the hell bobby is coming back?!?!:huh:

[Havok83]

I wouldnt mind if they did to Gambit what they did to Longshot once the 90s hit

[Canemacar]

I wouldnt mind if they did to Gambit what they did to Longshot once the 90s hit


Longshot got the boot well before the 90's hit; he was just too lame to keep around.

[Havok83]

Longshot got the boot well before the 90's hit; he was just too lame to keep around.
Well thats my point. Longshot was nowhere to be seen and with the exception of Lee tying up loose ends for a few issues of X-men, he was pretty much absent that decade as no writer wanted him. Not many writers care to write for Gambit and he's been a mess for the past few years. Just give him the Longshot treatment and call it a day. He shined in the 90s but hasnt been anywhere near as good since then.

[Canemacar]

Well thats my point. Longshot was nowhere to be seen and with the exception of Lee tying up loose ends for a few issues of X-men, he was pretty much absent that decade as no writer wanted him. Not many writers care to write for Gambit and he's been a mess for the past few years. Just give him the Longshot treatment and call it a day. He shined in the 90s but hasnt been anywhere near as good since then.

The difference is that Longshot didn't have a fanbase while Gambit does. Sending Longshot into limbo for a decade didn't short-change anyone; not so in this case. The writers just need to suck it up and realize that they have to actually put effort into a character for that character to be great.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

As for comics Gambit... it's not looking good. The only writer that "wants" to use him is Carey, and only because of Rogue.

Good to see at least 3 of us aren't deluding ourselves regarding Mike's motivations.

On a side note, I find Carey's obsession with C-listers like Karima annoying as all hell.

It most certainly is.

Here's hoping Mags will pull a Frenzy on her an time soon.

[K4tzm4n]

The difference is that Longshot didn't have a fanbase while Gambit does. Sending Longshot into limbo for a decade didn't short-change anyone; not so in this case. The writers just need to suck it up and realize that they have to actually put effort into a character for that character to be great.

Agreed.

[OutcryX]

...i liked Longshot....

Gambit is cool....but he has always been portrayed as 'kewl'. i like the Sinister connection and the marauders...even the out of nowhere backstory between him and marrow(i miss her) but he needs to stay the hell away from Rogue i dont care if it even takes him going gay and shagging Bobby and Sam...and Northstar...and Wolverine..and Cyclops..Colossus, Nightcrawler and especially Bishop, his one true love

[Canemacar]

Gambit is cool....but he has always been portrayed as 'kewl'. i like the Sinister connection and the marauders...even the out of nowhere backstory between him and marrow(i miss her) but he needs to stay the hell away from Rogue i dont care if it even takes him going gay and shagging Bobby and Sam...and Northstar...and Wolverine..and Cyclops..Colossus, Nightcrawler and especially Bishop, his one true love

I would rather see that than another round of romy.

[Havok83]

The difference is that Longshot didn't have a fanbase while Gambit does. Sending Longshot into limbo for a decade didn't short-change anyone; not so in this case. The writers just need to suck it up and realize that they have to actually put effort into a character for that character to be great.
to be honest, the only intrest I ever had in Gambit in the past decade was before MC when it looked like they would be exploring him as a villian. That I found intriguiging and would love to see a darker semi-evil side portrayal of Gambit. Unfortuently that doesnt look like it will happen and the character as he is does nothing for me. Im sick of the constant merry go round with Rogue and they need to just end that once and for all. Have him truly over her with no residual love feelings. He doesnt need to be with anyone, but if he were, I wouldnt mind if it were Lady Mastermind or Lorna. Another problem I have with Gambit is that I cant see him with the X-men anymore. I feel as if he's grown past them and I cant see why he would go back nor why they would even want him back. Going back to the team and/or Rogue would be a big step backwards. He needs to move forward away from both but I dont see that happening.

[Canemacar]

to be honest, the only intrest I ever had in Gambit in the past decade was before MC when it looked like they would be exploring him as a villian. That I found intriguiging and would love to see a darker semi-evil side portrayal of Gambit.

To be honest, that was the most interested I'd been in him for about a decade as well. I was hoping they'd either use the opportunity to give the character some development and panel time by resolving the mess from antarctica, or failing that, let us see the cold sonova***** he used to be before the x-men came along.

But instead we got to read about him getting beat up by wolverine and standing around while Mystique kills demi-god just because she's that damn roxxor. Thanks Carey. :whatever:

Unfortuently that doesnt look like it will happen and the character as he is does nothing for me. Im sick of the constant merry go round with Rogue and they need to just end that once and for all. Have him truly over her with no residual love feelings. He doesnt need to be with anyone, but if he were, I wouldnt mind if it were Lady Mastermind or Lorna.

Believe me, you are most definitely preaching to the choir here. i can't go 5 posts without harping on it, sometimes.

Another problem I have with Gambit is that I cant see him with the X-men anymore. I feel as if he's grown past them and I cant see why he would go back nor why they would even want him back. Going back to the team and/or Rogue would be a big step backwards. He needs to move forward away from both but I dont see that happening.


Honestly, I think most of the main X-men are in a situation like that because of the never-changing nature of comics. Jean's lived and died so often it's gotten pointless; Xavier had so many dark secrets it's a massive blow to suspension of disbelief to think the X-men wouldn't consider him another badguy, Magneto has become simply irrelevant, and Wolverine has long since lost any reason to be an X-man.

[BoredGuy]

Ya know what I never understood?? When the x-men were in space back in the day- just prior to the Trial of Gambit and that whole deal- Gambit and Rogue finally got to get it on because of power supressors, and rogue had that pink suit that had a low level force field, and they could touch... it was a good time for them...

Now, to my question, why the hell doesn't rogue just wear one of those power collars whenever she's not fighting??!? That way, her and gambit could **** all they want and actually maybe progress as a couple. That would solve Gambit being whipped and Rogue being all depressive all the time. They have Shiar technology and Forge, there's no way the x-men don't have power dampeners lying around!

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

She likes the attention and has issues with relationships.

And as for Cyke, refer to his part-time masochist and the fact that the glasses are pure AWESOME.

[BoredGuy]

just seems like years of writers have lacked common sense to me...

[Canemacar]

Ya know what I never understood?? When the x-men were in space back in the day- just prior to the Trial of Gambit and that whole deal- Gambit and Rogue finally got to get it on because of power supressors, and rogue had that pink suit that had a low level force field, and they could touch... it was a good time for them...

Now, to my question, why the hell doesn't rogue just wear one of those power collars whenever she's not fighting??!? That way, her and gambit could **** all they want and actually maybe progress as a couple. That would solve Gambit being whipped and Rogue being all depressive all the time. They have Shiar technology and Forge, there's no way the x-men don't have power dampeners lying around!

It's just another one of those obvious solutions we're forced to overlook because it would actually make sense and render much of the angst and drama pointless.

[Havok83]

edit: i moved it...

To be honest, that was the most interested I'd been in him for about a decade as well. I was hoping they'd either use the opportunity to give the character some development and panel time by resolving the mess from antarctica, or failing that, let us see the cold sonova***** he used to be before the x-men came along.

But instead we got to read about him getting beat up by wolverine and standing around while Mystique kills demi-god just because she's that damn roxxor. Thanks Carey. :whatever:Yeah Carey killed the momentum there. Gambit was nothing more than a prop for Mystique and Rogue and wasnt allowed to stand on his own two feet



Believe me, you are most definitely preaching to the choir here. i can't go 5 posts without harping on it, sometimes.lol...oh I know you can and Ive seen it


Honestly, I think most of the main X-men are in a situation like that because of the never-changing nature of comics. Jean's lived and died so often it's gotten pointless; Xavier had so many dark secrets it's a massive blow to suspension of disbelief to think the X-men wouldn't consider him another badguy, Magneto has become simply irrelevant, and Wolverine has long since lost any reason to be an X-man.I guess its more apparent with Gambit for me more than others. He really has no reason to be with the team. Its felt like a long time that the only reason he stuck around was bc of Rogue. Its not like he has some deep last friendships here or is a strong advocate of mutant rights, nor is he there to help himself and his powers. Nope, the thread that has kept him around has been Rogue and now that I can no longer see them as a viable couple, I cant see him sticking around. Its done, its over, time to move on.



Now, to my question, why the hell doesn't rogue just wear one of those power collars whenever she's not fighting??!? That way, her and gambit could **** all they want and actually maybe progress as a couple. That would solve Gambit being whipped and Rogue being all depressive all the time. They have Shiar technology and Forge, there's no way the x-men don't have power dampeners lying around!
Its a stupid plot point bc we've seen NUMEROUS power inihibitors over the years. Ones on Genosha had a collar which suppressed powers and Rogue had one of those used on her. You would think by now that she as desperate as she has been about her ability to touch would have looked into technology as an alternative to her problem, but it hasnt been brought up and it makes no sense that it hasnt. Forge made a gun which took Storm's powers away. Surely he could create a modified device for Rogue

[BoredGuy]

Well if I ever write for marvel, Rogue's gettin a whole bondage power dampening outfit for her and Remy's "private" use!! Bom-chika-wa-wow...

[Canemacar]

Yeah Carey killed the momentum there. Gambit was nothing more than a prop for Mystique and Rogue and wasnt allowed to stand on his own two feet

Had a promising start though. #200 had me thinking a new day had dawned for Gambit, but that didn't last long. for the next two issues, he only showed up in one panel to whine about rogue being hurt, in #203 it was to get smacked down with the rest of the marauders, then the godawful 204, and it was all downhill from there.

I guess its more apparent with Gambit for me more than others. He really has no reason to be with the team. Its felt like a long time that the only reason he stuck around was bc of Rogue. Its not like he has some deep last friendships here or is a strong advocate of mutant rights, nor is he there to help himself and his powers. Nope, the thread that has kept him around has been Rogue and now that I can no longer see them as a viable couple, I cant see him sticking around. Its done, its over, time to move on.

Well, he's supposed to be real tight with Storm, she being the original reason he hung around, but I can't see that anymore; she was part of the group that left him in Antarctica, then she goes harassing him when he does show up, and he didn't even get invited to her wedding.

At this point, I'd rather see him rip the X-men off, pawn all their crap, then go for another solo or as part of Heroes for Hire. That ain't happening though, so we're both stuck with him being a pointless addition to the x-men.

[DJSCARLET]

i m probably gonna get some backlash for suggesting this.
i think it would be cool if marvel had a "gambit and deadpool" series. not because of the movie, but because i can see those two working out together.

[Slant]

Well, he's supposed to be real tight with Storm, she being the original reason he hung around, but I can't see that anymore; she was part of the group that left him in Antarctica, then she goes harassing him when he does show up, and he didn't even get invited to her wedding.

Actually, I don't think Storm was on that team. I think she was still in the Mansion, with Wolvie, Jean, and Cyke. Probably because there would be no way Gambit would've been left with one of those four present.

And Gambit may have been a horsemen around the time of her wedding. Not quite sure.

[Hyperion1320]

Yeah, Storm was mad at the Antartica team for ditching Remy. And as for him not being at her wedding(and Rogue for that matter), take that up with a certain writer...

Gambit's a great character. I love his New Orleans heritage and his charming-bad guy, scoundrel-good guy dichotomy. However, he was created by Claremont and Jim Lee, and when they left, he was left in the hands of Lobdell et al, who eventually played him out, and made him too shady to be liked. Not to mention the Rogue drama was milked out wayy too long. Claremont was able to pump back a semblance of life into that relationship in Extreme, but only by taking away her powers. Since then they've both been f'ed up too much by all these other silly writers who can only make a story by tearing down that which had been built up by others.

This gets to a crucial point in the X-Mythos, and of comics in general. Do you keep your character in a bottle, recycling storylines ad infinitum, or do you allow them to grow and change over time. I mean, Rogue's inability to control her powers is obviously psychological, as pointed out by Claremont ages ago in the late 80's. Why can't she just grow up and accept whatever abuse happened in her early life doesn't have to hold her back now. I mean, it took Cyclops 45 years to control his powers...(what exactly was Xavier teaching them?)

True creativity is needed to handle a storyline where the crux of the story is "mutants protecting a world that fears and hates them". How many times have the X-Men saved the world/universe? Intolerance is based on ignorance. People do genuinely like other people. Put two babies, one black one white next to each other and they will play together, no matter what their parents think.

The early 00's storylines were getting there. Young mutant culture becoming widely emulated by young non-mutants, booming mutant populations and an extinction gene in humans showed that humans had no choice anymore. Either except and coexist, or struggle to the bitter end. Of course, this was too much change too quickly, at least for the editors, who quickly went about undoing all this interesting change in favor of "Days of Future Past"(a story from 1981) dystopia. Sorry, but I'm not interested in concentration camps and the militarization of super heroes. Its been done, and much better than what's been offered recently.

When characters like Gambit, Rogue, and Storm no longer have a place at the X-Men's table, it suggests there is a problem with the X-Men concept, and not the characters themselves.

[Colossal Spoons]

The last issue of Legacywasn't bad. Hmm

[TromaFreak64]

no it wasn't that bad... but Carey has such an obsession with certain characters that it is kind of annoying... I'm suprised he let Mystique go for the mean time... Somehow he got Omega Sentinel back after her so called death... But might as well wait around and see if ther eis something exciting in store for Gambit -- which I am doubting there is, but after the attack on Cable -- I finally thought we had the bad ass version back.


Next, someone was asking about Bobby coming back...he might as well just show up as a villian like Sam's return... seriously... it is killing me how many displaced X-Men we are going to have including an A-lister like Iceman.

[K4tzm4n]

Just read it...Very entertaining read...Exciting to see what's in store for Gambit as well...Despite what I hear, I'll keep high hopes.

[Valechan]

Iceman is an A-Lister? Since when? He's a definite B-Lister (an I might be too generous with that ranking...)

[TromaFreak64]

Yeah, Storm was mad at the Antartica team for ditching Remy. And as for him not being at her wedding(and Rogue for that matter), take that up with a certain writer...

Gambit's a great character. I love his New Orleans heritage and his charming-bad guy, scoundrel-good guy dichotomy. However, he was created by Claremont and Jim Lee, and when they left, he was left in the hands of Lobdell et al, who eventually played him out, and made him too shady to be liked. Not to mention the Rogue drama was milked out wayy too long. Claremont was able to pump back a semblance of life into that relationship in Extreme, but only by taking away her powers. Since then they've both been f'ed up too much by all these other silly writers who can only make a story by tearing down that which had been built up by others.

This gets to a crucial point in the X-Mythos, and of comics in general. Do you keep your character in a bottle, recycling storylines ad infinitum, or do you allow them to grow and change over time. I mean, Rogue's inability to control her powers is obviously psychological, as pointed out by Claremont ages ago in the late 80's. Why can't she just grow up and accept whatever abuse happened in her early life doesn't have to hold her back now. I mean, it took Cyclops 45 years to control his powers...(what exactly was Xavier teaching them?)

True creativity is needed to handle a storyline where the crux of the story is "mutants protecting a world that fears and hates them". How many times have the X-Men saved the world/universe? Intolerance is based on ignorance. People do genuinely like other people. Put two babies, one black one white next to each other and they will play together, no matter what their parents think.

The early 00's storylines were getting there. Young mutant culture becoming widely emulated by young non-mutants, booming mutant populations and an extinction gene in humans showed that humans had no choice anymore. Either except and coexist, or struggle to the bitter end. Of course, this was too much change too quickly, at least for the editors, who quickly went about undoing all this interesting change in favor of "Days of Future Past"(a story from 1981) dystopia. Sorry, but I'm not interested in concentration camps and the militarization of super heroes. Its been done, and much better than what's been offered recently.

When characters like Gambit, Rogue, and Storm no longer have a place at the X-Men's table, it suggests there is a problem with the X-Men concept, and not the characters themselves.

I agree with you. I for one like when these books evolve and change.

I for one am in full support of Cyclops moving into the figure head position and Magneto and Xavier finding new roles in the X-universe.

I think Cyclops and Rogue should finally have full control of their powers, there are more issues they can address and use their past expierence to help others with.

I embraced the change of Beast into the cat-form he is today. It has made the character more interesting, his fear of de-evolving and becoming a simple minded creature has made him more interesting than I ever thought.

--It's good when the characters change and advance; not when they are stripped of any advancement.

It's true the early 2000's were getting there, with the way mutants should "really" look.. but after M-day I am starting to get the impression some of the writers are doing the best they can with waht they've been given.

The changes in Cyclops are natural. Xavier's displacement makes sense. Cable and Bishops roles make sense. The X-Men have a place, and it's a good thing that it is changing for now.

The worst thing that could happen now is a Brand New Day scenario. I understand from a finacial standpoint why Spiderman did it, and maybe they want to do some things different this time, but the X-Men have come a long way and things are gonna keep changing in their world. I honestly hope they never get Brand New Day'ed ever... if they did, what would the purpose of the Ultimates be? And why can't we just start over with something else like the Amazings or something else if people are so dead set on going back and recycling the same old plots.

[TromaFreak64]

Iceman is an A-Lister? Since when? He's a definite B-Lister (an I might be too generous with that ranking...)

Yeah... I'm not going to dispute that, lookking back at my posts I listed him as a B-lister just days ago...

It just seems like he deserves a place somewhere.

[Valechan]

And so does Warren, but he's also a b-lister, and Hank who is like in the limit between A and B... but life is cruel :p

[Havok83]

Iceman is an A-Lister? Since when? He's a definite B-Lister (an I might be too generous with that ranking...)
I would say all the Original 5 are A-listers

[Canemacar]

I would say all the Original 5 are A-listers

I have a hard time seeing angel as A-list. He and Bobby have never been as prolific as scott, bird-girl, and Hank.

[El Bastardo]

Oh god, this again.

[UraniaChang]

I think Cyclops and Rogue should finally have full control of their powers, there are more issues they can address and use their past expierence to help others with.


Rogue's lack of control is due to a mental reason rather true inability to control her powers imo, my theory is that she subconsciously suppresses her ability to control to protect herself, gives her a perfect excuse to keep distance with others, even though she claims that she wants to be able to feel human touch.
Though a Rogue fan admits that what makes Rogue's character interesting is her inability to control her powers.

[OutcryX]

i always thought her appeal was the ability to be infinitely dramatic and self absorbed and inconsiderate and...

[Valechan]

I like her pretty hair :D

[iamlegend]

Rogue's lack of control is due to a mental reason rather true inability to control her powers imo, my theory is that she subconsciously suppresses her ability to control to protect herself, gives her a perfect excuse to keep distance with others, even though she claims that she wants to be able to feel human touch.
Though a Rogue fan admits that what makes Rogue's character interesting is her inability to control her powers.

How that can still be interesting after almost 30 years is beyond me...

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

i always thought her appeal was the ability to be infinitely dramatic and self absorbed and inconsiderate and...

You forgot the fact that she's fierce and completely out of her mind.

Of course, we're not allowed to bring up that very point in the 'leader or not' debate, but, eh, there ya go.

[Havok83]

Rogue's powers have been a mess ever since Claremont returned back in 2000. Like Psylocke, he did damage to her that has yet to be undone. Unfortunetly in Rogue's case, its only gotten worse with every writer that has taken her on since

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Well, to be fair, they literally undid it in MC. :wow:

[Canemacar]

So has anyone seen the cover to 212 yet? 208-211 shows various X-villains, ending with Dark Phoenix on 211. Then we get 213 with Gambit,Sinister, and the Marauders.

$20 says it's a Rogue cover.

[Snikt 6]

^Yeah, good guess......

[OutcryX]

Well, to be fair, they literally undid it in MC. :wow:

Except now she only has to deal with Mystique inside her head....will Rogue now be a shape shifter? that actually could be pretty cool....nah...or well..maybe..

[Canemacar]

Except now she only has to deal with Mystique inside her head....will Rogue now be a shape shifter? that actually could be pretty cool....nah...or well..maybe..

It has potential.

Gambit: Make 'em bigger!

[squeekness]

It has potential.

Gambit: Make 'em bigger!LOLs. :p

[K4tzm4n]

And then Rogue says back "You first."

But seriously...Having a shape shifting girlfriend would be beyond amazing.

[Valechan]

Until she starts crying because you want her to be someone else other than who she really is...

[OutcryX]

...like Sinister

[K4tzm4n]

Until she starts crying because you want her to be someone else other than who she really is...

Well, I was hoping it would be more like the whole Mystique trying to seduce Wolverine in X2, as well as what she did in HoM. Obviously, most girls would not be okay with it, lol.

[iamlegend]

Until she starts crying because you want her to be someone else other than who she really is...

Maybe if Rogue could change shapes she'd realize that who she really is sucks...

:woot:

[Valechan]

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[K4tzm4n]

Looks good...I've always wondered...How is Professor X ripped again?

[Valechan]

ripped?

[HandOfFate]

I can kind of see how this is going to play out. The first part of the story will show Exodus going through Xavier’s memories and showing him all of his failures as a leader of mutant kind. Then in the last minute Xavier turn the table on Exodus and show him why he is considered the King of the Psi.

Story ends with Exodus becomes Xavier's disciple.:hehe:

[K4tzm4n]

Ripped, jacked, muscular...Professor X is a man of amazing tone...Nevermind. It's pointless to get into.

[Valechan]

I can kind of see how this is going to play out. The first part of the story will show Exodus going through Xavier’s memories and showing him all of his failures as a leader of mutant kind. Then in the last minute Xavier turn the table on Exodus and show him why he is considered the King of the Psi.

Story ends with Exodus becomes Xavier's disciple.:hehe:

"padawan" the word is padawan :p

[TromaFreak64]

first thing i noticed was what good shape Xavier is in!

[spectre]

greg land still sucks

[Varient]

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X-Men 210 preview

(Chuckle)
Chucks going to beat his behind in the battle of minds.

Being the worlds STRONGEST Telepath means that on his Worst day,.. this guy has no chance.

[K4tzm4n]

first thing i noticed was what good shape Xavier is in!

haha that's what I was implying!!!!! And wow...Pretty sure that would KO or disable Magneto...But Whatever, it's a comic :cwink:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Loving the art.

And someone just put Omega Sentinel out of misery, lol.

I know Mike wants her to, but she really REALLY isn't anywhere close to being cool while in a room with Chuck, Mags and Exodus.

[El Bastardo]

Karima was a great character to add into the cast, with Xavier and Magneto. She reflects the last time the two of them were working together while on Genosha. And that book, unlike the rest of Claremont's recent writing, was good.

And I like nods to past writing.

[OutcryX]

I also like Karima. alot. she has a lot of potential and plenty of story in her yet

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

And I like nods to past writing.

Fair enough. I like nods to the eras that *defined* those two better. :p

I also like Karima. alot. she has a lot of potential and plenty of story in her yet

But you say that about bunches of C and D-lister. Of course a mostly blank slate has potential. :p

[El Bastardo]

Outcry and I are a like mind lately. It's kind of weird.

[OutcryX]

But you say that about bunches of C and D-lister. Of course a mostly blank slate has potential. :p

quite true...but given a decent writer, which Carey certainly is...she can become the character that I was hoping that bald chick from OZT would become...a sentinel on the x-team that is fighting with her programming all while standing for mutant rights....good stories to be told there...

[Colossal Spoons]

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X-MEN: LEGACY #214
Written by MIKE CAREY
Penciled by SCOT EATON
Cover by ALAN DAVIS
Sinister’s machinations finally come to a head, after decades of preparations. Can Xavier discover the secrets to the plot against his mind before his loses his sanity? Or will he become another in a long line of victims? Either way, he just may learn things about his past he’ll come to regret. Guest starring Sebastian Shaw and the deadliest gator in the swamp, Gambit!
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

[Canemacar]

That solicit joke was so bad, I lost 50 IQ points just reading it.

[Havok83]

Hold up is that supposed to be Cyclops or Gambit?

[DJSCARLET]

looks like scott, with the eyes shooting out red laser beams uncontrollably. though with the synopsis i m trying to figure out how he fits.

they put up the cover for 114, but not 112?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

looks like scott, with the eyes shooting out red laser beams uncontrollably. though with the synopsis i m trying to figure out how he fits.

they put up the cover for 114, but not 112?

Yup, the x-office seems to think we haven't figured out Roguey would be back by then. Cause God forbid they'd release a spoilerific pic or cover.

[OutcryX]

still trying to figure out WHY Gambit and Rogue are in this and how they tie in to The Battle for Xavier's soul...er..mind... I guess they would make as much sense as Karima...well, less actually

[K4tzm4n]

still trying to figure out WHY Gambit and Rogue are in this and how they tie in to The Battle for Xavier's soul...er..mind... I guess they would make as much sense as Karima...well, less actually

I have a feeling it's not going to relate to that at all...Most likely just a side plot.

[Canemacar]

I have a feeling it's not going to relate to that at all...Most likely just a side plot.

Thats how I see it. The Xavier plot is the actual premise of the book; it's where carey tries to clean up the continuity of the last few years by ending old plot threads and fixing Xavier's character after all the retconed secrets.

The thing with rogue is his pet project: he gets to play around with his favorite character and write some more fan-fic. Gambit is here as a supporting character in that fan-fic.

[El Bastardo]

I have a feeling it's not going to relate to that at all...Most likely just a side plot.
Well, the solicit seems to imply a little bit that Gambit is involved, but that's necessarily tied to the inclusion of Sinister and/or his plans.

But right. There's absolutely no reason why Gambit/Rogue need to be linked to the plot that Xavier/Magneto/Karima are involved in, OR that they need to be linked in a direct and knowing way, and together with XMK.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

still trying to figure out WHY Gambit and Rogue are in this and how they tie in to The Battle for Xavier's soul...er..mind... I guess they would make as much sense as Karima...well, less actually

You know, I was gonna make a joke about "The Search for Kitty Pryde - starring Cyclops and Dazzler", but, wait...

They rescued Kitty during the original Hellfire arc. That alone beats the Roguey/Gumbo connection to Chuck by miles, lol.

That, and I totally would greenlight the thing just to piss off CC, even if it meant bringing Kitty back for 5 mins before killing her off again. :woot:

[OutcryX]

too risky...we just got rid of the b_tch...can't risk resurrecting her too soon...her popularity is too high right now...she wouldn't be killed off again...so it's best she stay dead for at least 35 years, let people forget who she is, that way the chances of her coming back are as good as Adam X's

[Specter313]

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X-Men: Legacy #210 will arrive in stores on April 30 from Marvel Comics. The issue is written by Mike Carey, with art by Scot Eaton and a cover by David Finch.

Here's how Marvel describes the issue:

"In the wake of Messiah CompleX, there are no X-Men and mutantkind still lies in ruin. With Magneto depowered and Xavier gravely injured, it seems their reign as the preeminent mutants has ended. But neither of these old soldiers is willing to go gentle into that good night, as Exodus learns when he squares off against Xavier on the psychic plane, with the fate of Professor X's mind at stake."

X-Men: Legacy #210 will be 32 pages and will cost $2.99

[emmymae]

Hi, I'm just visiting after a long time away. Kitty got killed? Why would someone do that? Mike Carey certainly does love Rogue and I do too, but I also love Gambit and want him to have a real part in the series. I really miss them having a team in Adjectiveless. I don't 100% dig this new Xavier-centric book. I need the varied characters.:csad:

[Zombie_Comics]

There is only one really great thing about Comic Books and that is Superheroes Never Stay Dead. :xmen:

[squeekness]

Just read the latest ish and have a question:

Was that Rogue riding the motorcycle in Austrailiia? Cause I thought she was still in a coma or something....?

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, that was her. The "Sugah" gave her away :up:

She's not in a coma. Remember she walked away from Mystique and Gambit and told them not to follow her.

[Havok83]

In that splash page with Emma holding the dead Cuckoo, who were the two guys at the bottom of her? I think the one on the left was Cypher, but have no clue who the other one was.

Xavier lost his memory? So all he remembers is whats been shown to him since he woke up?

Im glad to see someone remember that Sunspot exists! First he is set to show up in Young X-men, possibly UXM, and now here in Legacy. Hope this means they have actual plans for him

[squeekness]

I don't think he's lost all his memeory, just that it's spotty at best. The next chapters may be all about him getting back what he lost. *yawns*

[Valechan]

Cypher and WIng were those dead guys

[Havok83]

Cypher and WIng were those dead guys
who's Wing? Where is he from?

[Colossal Spoons]

Flying kid from AXM. Ord took his powers away.

[spectre]

Flying kid from AXM. Ord took his powers away.

And then he was manipulated into committing suicide by the Danger Room.

[Colossal Spoons]

Dumb kid

[Havok83]

Flying kid from AXM. Ord took his powers away.
thanks. I completely forgot about that

[Colossal Spoons]

As well you should have

[Manic]

Yeah, that was her. The "Sugah" gave her away :up:
I figured it was Rogue when she made a strange noise instead of saying "I" when referring to herself.
Im glad to see someone remember that Sunspot exists! First he is set to show up in Young X-men, possibly UXM, and now here in Legacy. Hope this means they have actual plans for him
Is it me, or was Sunspot a little more... red than usual? It's like the colorist got so used to coloring in Exodus, they sorta forgot to tone down the reds when coloring Roberto.

[Galact-Gal]

Maybe Roberto's been spending too much time on the beach; and forgetting his sunscreen. :yay:

And what do you bet that Rogue is heading for that town in Australia where the X-Men hung out when they were pretending to be dead?

[DJSCARLET]

And what do you bet that Rogue is heading for that town in Australia where the X-Men hung out when they were pretending to be dead?

thought the same thing when i read it.

when did roberto join hellfire?

[Havok83]

thought the same thing when i read it.

when did roberto join hellfire?
He first joined it late in his X-force run, prior to Revolution as Selene's Black Rook. He left it to join X-corporation, but in Chasing Hellfire, an arc that Chris Claremont wrote in UXM 452-454, he became Lord Imperial of the club

[Colossal Spoons]

I figured it was Rogue when she made a strange noise instead of saying "I" when referring to herself.

Hahahaha

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

A few days later and the time to reread the first three issues...

Well-written. Can't say I had much fun reading it apart from a few Magneto scenes.

Twelve issues of that, eh? Somehow I get this feeling I'll drop within the next three or something. Oh well.

[DJSCARLET]

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THE STORY:
Sins of the Father, part 2 of 3. Professor X is trying to rebuild memories of his past using other people's minds. But the past is coming back to haunt him in another way, as a swathe of tragic deaths turns out to be linked by only one factor: Brian Xavier, the Professor's long-dead father. And solving the mystery means paying a visit to the Hellfire Club...
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sorry for the pic, couldnt get a decent sized one. :o

[Colossal Spoons]

Thanks :up:

[OutcryX]

I dunno if Carey can make Xavier interesting. can anyone? still tho. i'm enjoying it so far..the staring contest between Xavier and Exodus

[Havok83]

x-men legacy 212.
sorry for the pic, couldnt get a decent sized one. :o
That looks like a great cover from over here

[Havok83]

I dunno if Carey can make Xavier interesting. can anyone? still tho. i'm enjoying it so far..the staring contest between Xavier and Exodus
I prefer Xavier as a supporting character. I dont care for him so much as a lead, which is probably why I didnt like Excalibur v3

[ragingdemon155]

Quick Question about the ending of X-men Legacy 210.

Was that last panel supposed to mean anything? I mean, I'm not a longtime X-men reader so that cliffhanger didn't resonate with me at all.

So far though, Legacy series has been pretty cool. Xavier has never interested me as a character, but he's been alright so far. Is Xavier going to be the main star for the "Legacy" series and how long will that last?

[Havok83]

Quick Question about the ending of X-men Legacy 210.

Was that last panel supposed to mean anything? I mean, I'm not a longtime X-men reader so that cliffhanger didn't resonate with me at all.

So far though, Legacy series has been pretty cool. Xavier has never interested me as a character, but he's been alright so far. Is Xavier going to be the main star for the "Legacy" series and how long will that last?
I didnt find any special meaning to it

Legacy is supposed to last 12 issues and yes Xavier will remain its main character

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Lemme sum up the first arc.

Mags and Exodus are cool. Chuck kinda is. The semi-obscure fanwank/fic goes on as Frenzy and Omega Sentinel desperately try to be.

[Colossal Spoons]

^A chick gets lasered in her damn eye too. Can't leave that part out :o:up:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

^A chick gets lasered in her damn eye eye too. Can't leave that part out :o:up:

I did. That was Frenzy. Refer to the 'desperately trying to be cool' part.

[Colossal Spoons]

Specifics man :D

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

But the 'desperately trying to be cool' part tackled the subtext of just about everything Carey writes.

The snark takes precedence in my book.

[OutcryX]

Hey! Carey loves his obscure mutants! Can't fault the guy for that...wait...yes, you are. I like the Sentinel...she needs to just grab Xavier and make for the hills. Wouldn't get far though, with Exodus after her.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Hey! Carey loves his obscure mutants! Can't fault the guy for that...wait...yes, you are.

You mean, yes I *am* and yes I'm *totally entitled to*. :D

Really, just greenlight the C/D-Listers, give it to Carey and save everyone else the trauma.

[Manic]

If there's a god, Carey will find a way to re-empower Dani Moonstar and use her. God knows M-Day is nothing that can't be fixed by an Odinspell/Thorspell.

[OutcryX]

You mean, yes I *am* and yes I'm *totally entitled to*. :D

Really, just greenlight the C/D-Listers, give it to Carey and save everyone else the trauma.

Forget Carey...if you want a kickA__ book featuring nothing but c/d-z listers...then I AM THE GUY to deliver it! And it will own your soul!

I wont even throw in any sexy parties or gay orgies...much

[OutcryX]

If there's a god, Carey will find a way to re-empower Dani Moonstar and use her. God knows M-Day is nothing that can't be fixed by an Odinspell/Thorspell.

Seriously...Wanda is a mutant, her powers at the end of the day(after major breakdown and dissection) are biological. they are NOT real magic. It can be UNDONE. Heck, Phoenix should be able to undo it, so should Franklin Richards. Thor and Oden and any other all powerful God-like or Cosmic character should be able to correct this wrong.

and if frickin Quicksilver can regain his super-speed, Then Moonstar is waay overdue for a full fledged return...or at least let her do something cool with her Valkyrie powers

[Manic]

I'd love to see Dani come back with the mutant/Valkyrie combination that let her do stuff like psychometrically read the scene of a death.

[OutcryX]

i would like Sway to come back and she could actually replay it as it happened...but that aint gonna happen....yet

and Petra was cool too...how come only whack as Vulcan and Darwin survived while the cooler character are intergalactic worm food?

[Havok83]

Dani doesnt even need her mutant powers. She's a fighter and trained with Wolverine. Plus she's a Valkyrie. They could have given her a staff which mimiced(sp?) the powers she had as a mutant and have her fight with that. I thought the best book for her post HoM would have been X-factor. She would have rocked there

[OutcryX]

PAD is overrated, seriously

[UraniaChang]

If there's a god, Carey will find a way to re-empower Dani Moonstar and use her. God knows M-Day is nothing that can't be fixed by an Odinspell/Thorspell.


And then M-Day will become nothing but an excuse to show everyone how *****ed up Scarlet Witch is.

[Manic]

i would like Sway to come back and she could actually replay it as it happened...but that aint gonna happen....yet

and Petra was cool too...how come only whack as Vulcan and Darwin survived while the cooler character are intergalactic worm food?
While I agree that it sucks that Vulcan survived, I like Darwin. With the exception of WWH, his powers have been pretty cool.

And then M-Day will become nothing but an excuse to show everyone how *****ed up Scarlet Witch is.
What if we say Thor has a limit? That he can only revive Dani's powers because she has Asgardian power already flowing through her?

[UraniaChang]

What if we say Thor has a limit? That he can only revive Dani's powers because she has Asgardian power already flowing through her?

I don't mind Thor reviving anyone who's depowered, because I already think M-Day is nothing but a bad joke.

[OutcryX]

i agree....m-day/house of M needs to be retconned...if the editors didn't let morrison snort Coke while shooting heroin all while he was writing and create a billion different useless mutants it wouldn't have even been necessary.

[Manic]

i agree....m-day/house of M needs to be retconned...if the editors didn't let morrison snort Coke while shooting heroin all while he was writing and create a billion different useless mutants it wouldn't have even been necessary.
Beak comes to mind.