Official X-MEN: LEGACY Discussion Thread

[Coldqueen]

Didn't Pixie fill that mold for a bit?

I'm more fond of Pixie than I am of this Armor chick.

[Canemacar]

This is the leaked cover to 217.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=news/x-position/071608/XMEN217_COVER_col.jpg

[Havok83]

This is the leaked cover to 217.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=news/x-position/071608/XMEN217_COVER_col.jpg
Sinister got a sex change?

Didn't Pixie fill that mold for a bit?
She still does. Pixie is UXM's version of Kitty. Armor is AXM's version of her

[Canemacar]

Sinister got a sex change?

I'm thinking he ends up taking over the Black Womb lady's body. Also, they seem to be bringing Daken into things instead of letting him drift into comic limbo as they should.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I'm thinking he ends up taking over the Black Womb lady's body. Also, they seem to be bringing Daken into things instead of letting him drift into comic limbo as they should.

Crossover with Origins, baby.

[Specter313]

#217:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/news/x-position/071608/XMEN217_COVER_col.jpg

[Canemacar]

Crossover with Origins, baby.

I've been planning to drop Legacy anyway. This just means i'll do it an arc sooner.

[El Bastardo]

Pfft. Legacy's one of the top X-titles currently published. Legacy and Cable, baby.

[Manic]

Cable is starting to bore the living hell out of me, but I absolutely love Legacy.

[Havok83]

Cable is starting to bore the living hell out of me, but I absolutely love Legacy.
Im the other way around. Legacy bores the hell out of me, but I absolutely love Cable

[Manic]

Yes, there's nothing quite as fun as seeing Cable and Bishop shoot at each other for half a dozen issues in a row, while Bishop's character gets further assassinated with the turn of every page.

I'm sticking with Xavier's cerebral journey to remember his past as it comes back to haunt him.

[squeekness]

Daken's getting to be quite the popular fellow these days...:p

[UraniaChang]

#217:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/news/x-position/071608/XMEN217_COVER_col.jpg


Maybe Sinister enjoys being a woman.

[Brainiac 8]

I've been planning to drop Legacy anyway. This just means i'll do it an arc sooner.


Eh, I'm surprised anyone would drop this title if they are X-fans. Carey has finally given Xavier his due. It is the best use of Xavier in years, not to mention the first time Gambit has been written well in years.

As far as X-books go, this is up there with Uncanny as finally making the X-franchise relevent again.

Mucho kudos to Carey, and if anyone can do anything interesting with Way's horrible creation, then Carey can. :up:

[Brainiac 8]

Im the other way around. Legacy bores the hell out of me, but I absolutely love Cable


Yea, I'm not liking Cable at all right now....which is too bad, because I actually like Cable as a character.

I just don't like how Bishop became a villian in such a flip-flop contrived way.

[Canemacar]

Eh, I'm surprised anyone would drop this title if they are X-fans. Carey has finally given Xavier his due. It is the best use of Xavier in years, not to mention the first time Gambit has been written well in years.

"Written well" isn't what I'd use to describe his use of Gambit. That, and his Mary Sue treatment of Rogue has really put me off this title.

[Brainiac 8]

Different strokes for different folks I guess.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

"Written well" isn't what I'd use to describe his use of Gambit. That, and his Mary Sue treatment of Rogue has really put me off this title.
Can you imagine how it would've played out had Alonzo not stepped in and highjacked the book as the launching pad for MC?

[El Bastardo]

Eh, I'm surprised anyone would drop this title if they are X-fans. Carey has finally given Xavier his due. It is the best use of Xavier in years, not to mention the first time Gambit has been written well in years.

As far as X-books go, this is up there with Uncanny as finally making the X-franchise relevent again.

Mucho kudos to Carey, and if anyone can do anything interesting with Way's horrible creation, then Carey can. :up:
I wouldn't say Uncanny is an "up there" title. It's horribly flawed. It's a flawed, average-ish book with a top-notch writer on it and, until now, an artist with very pretty art. With Fraction coming on, I think there's great hope, given Iron Fist and Invincible Iron Man.

Legacy might not be the flagship title anymore, but it is top of the line, you're definitely right there. :up: And yeah, I don't read Origins, but Carey makes me really interested to see how this goes.

[Canemacar]

Here's Legacy 214. I think carey just confirmed that SPOILERS! Sinister is Gambit's old man


http://www.wizarduniverse.com/071708xlegprev.html

[El Bastardo]

Um, yeah, uh, I don't think that's what it says at all.

[Canemacar]

More of a nod to what Claremont established in The End, really, but given the premise of the arc, it's definitely more than just banter.

[El Bastardo]

I don't think it's a nod to what Claremont established, either.

Gambit used to work closely with Sinister. "Like father and son" is a common term used to symbolize and/or label close relationships between two males with a distance between their years of age. In this case, Sinister is clearly using it in a warped sense, because Sinister's a warped person.

[Canemacar]

I don't think it's a nod to what Claremont established, either.

The very name of the arc is fathers and sons. Likewise, every main character and their father is coming into play to some extent. Carey mentioned he wanted to touch on the issue of Gambit's parentage in this arc. It's clear Sinister is using the phrase to hint at more than just familiarity; just look how Gambit starts to mimic Luke Skywalker's reaction.

[El Bastardo]

Pfft. I'm not subscribing to it. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. You'll have one on me, finally. I probably won't be incredibly surprised if I am wrong, because it's incredibly possible (and such a better theory than Gambit being a third, or fourth now, Summers, as long as we don't bring any test tubes into the equation). But based off of that little bit, I'm not going to hop on your bandwagon.

And hey, if I'm not wrong, we can just chalk this up as another win on my side of the board!

[El Bastardo]

Pfft. I'm not subscribing to it. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. You'll have one on me, finally. I probably won't be incredibly surprised if I am wrong, because it's incredibly possible (and such a better theory than Gambit being a third, or fourth now, Summers, as long as we don't bring any test tubes into the equation). But based off of that little bit, I'm not going to hop on your bandwagon.

And hey, if I'm not wrong, we can just chalk this up as another win on my side of the board!

[Specter313]

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[PREVIEW OF THE WEEK] X-MEN LEGACY #214
COVER BY: ALAN DAVIS
WRITER: MIKE CAREY
PENCILS: SCOT EATON
COLORED BY: FRANK D'ARMATA
LETTERED BY: VC - CORY PETIT

Sinister's machinations finally come to a head, after decades of preparations. Can Xavier discover the secrets to the plot against his mind before his loses his sanity? Or will he become another in a long line of victims? Either way, he just may learn things about his past he'll come to regret. Guest starring Sebastian Shaw and the deadliest gator in the swamp, Gambit!

PRICE: 2.99
IN STORES: July 23, 2008

[Canemacar]

Pfft. I'm not subscribing to it. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. You'll have one on me, finally. I probably won't be incredibly surprised if I am wrong, because it's incredibly possible (and such a better theory than Gambit being a third, or fourth now, Summers, as long as we don't bring any test tubes into the equation). But based off of that little bit, I'm not going to hop on your bandwagon.

And hey, if I'm not wrong, we can just chalk this up as another win on my side of the board!

You act as if I've never proven you wrong before. *Sigh* So quickly you forget all that I've strived to teach you since I arrived.

[Coldqueen]

I'm not quite sure I like the way Gambit is being drawn.

[Canemacar]

I'm more irritated by how he managed to lose about 80 IQ points since Carey has started writing him. Seriously, Milligan wrote him with more sense than this.

[El Bastardo]

You act as if I've never proven you wrong before. *Sigh* So quickly you forget all that I've strived to teach you since I arrived.
Yeah, right.

I'm not quite sure I like the way Gambit is being drawn.
What's wrong with Eaton's rendition?

[Havok83]

I almost thought Gambit was Sabretooth in the second shot of him up there

[Canemacar]

Yeah, right.

Remember the English lesson you begged out of?

What's wrong with Eaton's rendition?

You mean aside from the fact Gambit looks like he's been juicing like an MLB player?

[Coldqueen]

Yeah, that's actually the biggest part of my dislike of it. He's too bulky in this rendering. Gambit has always been muscular, but more a slim muscle than true bulk.

I also agree with CanCan, he is coming off alot...um...he's being written less clever/smart than he is. They have him playing the "dumb man" to Xavier's intellectual. There's a way to do that without making Gambit seem so damn out of character.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

*reminding Queenie that Cyke didn't throw Roguey in the brig during Supernova and that he didn't beat up Bobby within an inch of his life in #204.*

It happens rather often in comic books. You'll live.

[UraniaChang]

I almost thought Gambit was Sabretooth in the second shot of him up there


I was thinking that Gambit looked like someone but I couldn't recall just who this someone supposed to be, but you have answered my unvoiced question.

[El Bastardo]

Remember the English lesson you begged out of?
I highly doubt your recollection of this is correct and not flawed, good sir!

[iamlegend]

The very name of the arc is fathers and sons. Likewise, every main character and their father is coming into play to some extent. Carey mentioned he wanted to touch on the issue of Gambit's parentage in this arc. It's clear Sinister is using the phrase to hint at more than just familiarity; just look how Gambit starts to mimic Luke Skywalker's reaction.

I'm feeling the general idea.

I doubt it'll be straight-forward father/son in the good old fashioned sense though... Especially how Sinister just kind of tosses it out there. Without any emphasis.

The line, to me anyway, doesn't translate into direct relation, but certainly is worth more than a reference to Gambit's past dealings with Sinister.

Honestly, I'd rather have Sinister be Gambit's actual father, though, rather than some goofy X-men The End style deal.

Oh, and I thought the Skywalker bit was just Gambit realizing that it was Sinister inside the Professor, rather than just generic mind-control. Which lends credit to your -80 IQ points suggestion...

[Canemacar]

I'm feeling the general idea. I doubt it'll be straight-forward father/son in the good old fashioned sense though... Especially how Sinister just kind of tosses it out there. Without any emphasis. The line, to me anyway, doesn't translate into direct relation, but certainly is worth more than a reference to Gambit's past dealings with Sinister.

I misspoke earlier. I didn't mean to say Carey had just irrevocably established Sinister as Gambit's parent; just that he was making deliberate insinuations.

Honestly, I'd rather have Sinister be Gambit's actual father, though, rather than some goofy X-men The End style deal.

You and me both. I can accept Gambit's mother being artificially inseminated, but not him being a spliced clone grown in some tank.

Oh, and I thought the Skywalker bit was just Gambit realizing that it was Sinister inside the Professor, rather than just generic mind-control. Which lends credit to your -80 IQ points suggestion...

Seriously, the guy is standing there with glowing eyes, a giant diamond on his forehead, holding the bullets he was just shot with, and announcing that he's Nathaniel Essex and gambit somehow doesn't catch on that it isn't the professor.

:whatever:

[Canemacar]

Here's what happens in #214. i got my issue today.

As we saw last issue, Shaw and Gambit get beaten up and captured by Mueler. Shaw rescues them by banging on the cage(making himself stronger in the process) until it's destroyed.

Above them, Sinister fights off Mueller in the physical world and Xavier in the psychic plane. Essex does very well for a while; bringing the installation's defenses against Mueller and trapping Xavier in his memories of his worst defeats.

Shaw and Gambit make their way back to the room with the Cronus device where Gambit charges up Shaw, making him even more powerful. Shaw then destroys the machine.

Xavier realizes what Sinister is doing and fights the despair sinister is hoping to overwhelm him with. He regains control of his mind and forces Essex out, leavin him with no one else to manifest in because of the destroyed device.

In the confusion, mueller has gotten away; Shaw follows suit shortly after. Gambit invites Xavier to talk about the old days in a bar somewhere, but he gets brushed off.

In the epilogue we see Shaw talking to someone i assume is mueller. Shaw mentions that the Chonus device had become obsolete to sinister years ago due to his cloning technology(hinting that Sinister will still manage to come back). he offers her the position of Black Queen in his new Hellfire club. She decides to call herself Mrs. sinister.

[iamlegend]

Here's what happens in #214. i got my issue today.

As we saw last issue, Shaw and Gambit get beaten up and captured by Mueler. Shaw rescues them by banging on the cage(making himself stronger in the process) until it's destroyed.

Above them, Sinister fights off Mueller in the physical world and Xavier in the psychic plane. Essex does very well for a while; bringing the installation's defenses against Mueller and trapping Xavier in his memories of his worst defeats.

Shaw and Gambit make their way back to the room with the Cronus device where Gambit charges up Shaw, making him even more powerful. Shaw then destroys the machine.

Xavier realizes what Sinister is doing and fights the despair sinister is hoping to overwhelm him with. He regains control of his mind and forces Essex out, leavin him with no one else to manifest in because of the destroyed device.

In the confusion, mueller has gotten away; Shaw follows suit shortly after. Gambit invites Xavier to talk about the old days in a bar somewhere, but he gets brushed off.

In the epilogue we see Shaw talking to someone i assume is mueller. Shaw mentions that the Chonus device had become obsolete to sinister years ago due to his cloning technology(hinting that Sinister will still manage to come back). he offers her the position of Black Queen in his new Hellfire club. She decides to call herself Mrs. sinister.

Thanks for the spoilers.

Underwelming much? :huh:

That, and Gambit basically does... nothing. What was his purpose in this arc again? Anything? Seriously?

[Canemacar]

I think the arc would be improved by taking out Gambit entirely. I liked all the rest: Sinister, Xavier, Shaw, and Mueller had some great moments and interactions, but the whole time you had gambit bumbling along in the background annoying the hell out of me.

[Coldqueen]

It's always sad when an arc would do better by taking out your favorite character.

*reminding Queenie that Cyke didn't throw Roguey in the brig during Supernova and that he didn't beat up Bobby within an inch of his life in #204.*

It happens rather often in comic books. You'll live.

What are you trying to insinuate?

;)

[Coldqueen]

And seriously, *just read 213*, Gambit is coming off total idiot in this arc.

So...Shaw tells Gambit that hitting him with charged cards would only make him stronger, as it is his mutant power (which Gambit should already have known)...

Two pages later...Gambit threatens Shaw...with charged cards?

Seriously?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

What are you trying to insinuate?

;)

*Insinuating is kinda strong of a word, isn't it?

Two pages later...Gambit threatens Shaw...with charged cards?

Seriously?

Thought it was possible to overload Shaw.

Full-powered full deck might be enough. Seriously.

[iamlegend]

Thought it was possible to overload Shaw.

Full-powered full deck might be enough. Seriously.

I don't think we've seen Gambit drop an entire deck on anyone since the 90s, have we?

But seriously... I'd love to know why Carey brought Gambit into the arc. I mean, he didn't really even use him to segway into Rogue, like many of us suspected.

Heck, if he wanted to eventually dig up the Gambit/Rogue storyline, he could just introduced Gambit down the line somewhere, and it would have worked just as well, if not better.

So.... I don't get it? Did he just feel like there should be a Xavier-sympathetic character somewhere in the arc? Someone that wasn't classically a baddie? :huh:

[chamber-music]

every time shaw makes an apperance he reminds everyone stuff makes him stronger, its his thing.

I agree they should just make Gambit Sinisters son. I hate all that clone stuff.

[squeekness]

I don't think we've seen Gambit drop an entire deck on anyone since the 90s, have we?

But seriously... I'd love to know why Carey brought Gambit into the arc. I mean, he didn't really even use him to segway into Rogue, like many of us suspected.

Heck, if he wanted to eventually dig up the Gambit/Rogue storyline, he could just introduced Gambit down the line somewhere, and it would have worked just as well, if not better.

So.... I don't get it? Did he just feel like there should be a Xavier-sympathetic character somewhere in the arc? Someone that wasn't classically a baddie? :huh:Maybe Carey just caved under the pressure of all of us whining Gambit fans who wanted to see more of our guy. I do agree that he seems a bit ..off... in this, but not terribly so. He's just being written like he would be by a guy who is more of a Rogue fan than a Gambit one. ;)

[Canemacar]

I think he was simply added because Carey wants to keep his sales up while he messes around with minor characters that no one cares about. No one is going to buy a book about Xavier; so Carey needs to draw in buyers by having more popular characters drop in as long as they don't get in the way of the story he wants to tell.

[iamlegend]

I think he was simply added because Carey wants to keep his sales up while he messes around with minor characters that no one cares about. No one is going to buy a book about Xavier; so Carey needs to draw in buyers by having more popular characters drop in as long as they don't get in the way of the story he wants to tell.

A very fair hypothesis.

[El Bastardo]

Legacy would sell in fair numbers on basis that it's an X-book with Carey attached to it. Simply. There aren't that many X-books, and there's plenty of X-fans. It might not sell at #1, but none of them do.

[Canemacar]

Legacy would sell in fair numbers on basis that it's an X-book with Carey attached to it. Simply. There aren't that many X-books, and there's plenty of X-fans. It might not sell at #1, but none of them do.

Have you looked at the sales figures for Adjectiveless since carey has been writing it? I have. Despite his first team having widespread critical acclaim, it never sold more than milligan's tenure. Only during messiah complex did it match uncanny in terms of sells.

[El Bastardo]

And chances are good the same people who were buying it before the crossover would buy it after its transformation into Legacy, Gambit or no. For crying out loud, the people who can't stand reading the book are still buying and reading the book, the same way they did during Milligan's tenure.

We X-fans are not the best at dropping titles.

[Canemacar]

And chances are good the same people who were buying it before the crossover would buy it after its transformation into Legacy, Gambit or no.

X-fans buy the books based on which characters are appearing in them. Thats why Legacy's sales have been falling steadily since Messiah complex despite it's strong reviews: no one cares about Xavier. Carey's been plugging cameos of bigger characters to boost his numbers.

[Specter313]

X-fans buy the books based on which characters are appearing in them. Thats why Legacy's sales have been falling steadily since Messiah complex despite it's strong reviews: no one cares about Xavier. Carey's been plugging cameos of bigger characters to boost his numbers.

You're making it sound like they're hemorrhaging readers left and right, when they really aren't. They did see a bit of a drop after the first couple issues after the change, but that's normal for any book. In fact, Legacy 211 outsold Legacy 210. Legacy 212 took a lil dip, but not much, and can probably be contributed to the fact that, if memory serves, it came out late in the same month, so reprints and reorders didn't come into effect yet.

[El Bastardo]

I would just like to state that I did not pay Spec in any way, shape, or form.

[Coldqueen]

We X-fans are not the best at dropping titles.

*snort* Ain't that the truth.

[El Bastardo]

I'm Specter?

Wait... Spec and I are the same person? That doesn't make sense!

[Specter313]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/solicits/marvelcomics/200810-advance/XMEN217_COVER_col.jpg


X-MEN: LEGACY #217
Written by MIKE CAREY
Penciled by SCOT EATON
Cover by MIKE DEODATO & RICHARD ISANOVE
"ORIGINAL SIN" PART 2
After his bruising encounter with Cyclops and Emma Frost, Professor X is forced to revisit the biggest challenge and the biggest failure of his career: Logan. But the layers of lies hide one last, deadly secret which goes back to the days of the X-Men's founding, and the Professor's timing couldn't possibly be worse...
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99

[Colossal Spoons]

Hope this is good

[bengan]

looove the new hellfire club :D

[Supernature]

who's the lady?

[UraniaChang]

I wonder how many 'secrets' Carey is planning for the Professor to uncover.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Wolvie was busy in Europe back then and can't be Chuck's daddy, right?

[UraniaChang]

I'm sure if it had been the case the Prof would be having an issue of hirsutism instead of alopecia.:cwink:

[Canemacar]

I think it'll be a a case of "Xavier has been brainwashing everyone and their mother off panel" like we saw with Deadly Genesis. Maybe he used his powers on the canadian Military to get them to give him logan in the first place?

[squeekness]

I'm still wondering what the Hellfire even has to do with Daken and why would he voluntarily wear that outfit? :p

[UraniaChang]

I think it'll be a a case of "Xavier has been brainwashing everyone and their mother off panel" like we saw with Deadly Genesis. Maybe he used his powers on the canadian Military to get them to give him logan in the first place?

Or he's the one behind the Weapon X project, now that would totally piss off Wolverine, considering he has been chasing the wrong people all these years to kill.:woot:

[DJSCARLET]

This goes along with the weird Rogue and Cyclops (??) marvel teasers, still cool though:
http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/892/892926/sdcc-08-marvel-releases-latest-mystery-09-teaser-20080722055713904.jpg
I think its Magneto.

[ragingdemon155]

Just finished reading X-men Legacy 214.

Story wrapped up nicely and I swear, its one of the more underrated titles from Marvel right now. Carey has done a fantastic job with it. That being said, I have a few questions.

1) Has Gambit ever actually charged someone up? I believe this was the first time I've ever seen him do it.

2) Wasn't Rogue supposed to play a role in the Legacy series?

3) Maybe I missed something, but the female Sinister kind of came out of left field. Was Sinister working on her all this time or what?

[GambitXremy]

isn't the chick sinister the black womb

[Specter313]

I don't think that Miss Sinister is Black Womb at all. For one, I don't think that Sinister could really change the body of the person around that much, as she was much younger than Amanda, and from the way she spoke with Shaw, it doesn't seem like she knew what happened to her until Shaw explained everything just before we came in on them at their lil dinner.

[squeekness]

Just finished reading X-men Legacy 214.

Story wrapped up nicely and I swear, its one of the more underrated titles from Marvel right now. Carey has done a fantastic job with it. That being said, I have a few questions.

1) Has Gambit ever actually charged someone up? I believe this was the first time I've ever seen him do it.

2) Wasn't Rogue supposed to play a role in the Legacy series?

3) Maybe I missed something, but the female Sinister kind of came out of left field. Was Sinister working on her all this time or what? 1. I thought there was a debate here a while back about whether or not Gambit could charge living organic material. It crossed my mind as I was reading this that something there might have been out of whack. I have no recollection of him being able to charge anyone's flesh.

2. Maybe Rogue is coming up next now that this arc is done.

3. I was wondering this myself. I agree that it is probably not Black Womb as Specter says, unless she was somehow deaged, but I don't have one clue who it really is....

[Canemacar]

The only time gambit has been able to charge flesh was after his powers were reaching new sun levels in his solo: he charged Baltec's moustasche and Mystique's legs. He can charge dead tissue at his normal power levels, however, he did so with a dead tree branch in the early 90's.

[OutcryX]

perhaps he is getting another power boost...and a female sinister...this really reminds me of orichimaru from naruto..or some other bad anime/manga

[UraniaChang]

perhaps he is getting another power boost...and a female sinister...this really reminds me of orichimaru from naruto..or some other bad anime/manga

Ugh, I hope not, it's a cheap way to make a character interesting.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

perhaps he is getting another power boost...

Nah. That's just Mike taking minor liberties for the sake of making a cool scenes.

Not that big a deal.

[DJSCARLET]

Psych Ward: Professor X
with scenes from X-men Legacy 215

http://www.marvel.com/news/comics.4441.Psych_Ward%3A_Professor_X

[Canemacar]

Well, looks like the golden age is over and The Harpy has returned.

[Havok83]

Finally Rogue makes her return and it doesnt look like some short cameo

[squeekness]

Ugh.. what is she wearing? Boots and knee pads? Do I really want to know? :p

[Havok83]

Ugh.. what is she wearing? Boots and knee pads? Do I really want to know? :p
oh no you didnt!

[Canemacar]

Ugh.. what is she wearing? Boots and knee pads? Do I really want to know? :p

Gotta earn gas money somehow. :woot:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Huh. Based on many preview pages aren't dedicated to Cyke and Chuck beating the living hell out of each other, there's a pretty good chance I'll drop the book after this one. Oh well.

[ProfeZZor X]

Huh. Based on many preview pages aren't dedicated to Cyke and Chuck beating the living hell out of each other, there's a pretty good chance I'll drop the book after this one. Oh well.

I dropped this crap (exuse me Mike), er uh book when they dumped Iceman.

Manifest Destiny can't come soon enough for me.

[Canemacar]

I dropped it half-way through my favorite character's only arc this year because it was just that damn bad. Make mine, Faction!

[Manic]

Well I'm loving this title.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I dropped this crap (exuse me Mike), er uh book when they dumped Iceman.

Manifest Destiny can't come soon enough for me.

You do know MD probably is gonna be as 'great' as DWS, right?

And I can't say I'm surprised, lol. #500 must've hurt, eh?

[Brainiac 8]

Well I'm loving this title.


I'm glad someone else is. This is consistantly one of my most looked forward to titles each month. :up:

[El Bastardo]

Well I'm loving this title.

I'm glad someone else is. This is consistantly one of my most looked forward to titles each month. :up:
:up:

Gosh, people with taste!

[Manic]

We're a rare breed, but there are some of us who like Charles Xavier when he's well-written.

[Canemacar]

I'd have to see Xavier actually dealing with his old faults and personal demons instead of saying "Doesn't count! I don't remember! Nyah, nyah." before I'd call it well-written.

[Manic]

Practically every memory Charles has recovered over the course of this series has been about his mistakes. Exodus and Sinister have forced him to relive a "greatest blunders" highlight reel of his life. All of this has been leading up to his reunion (promoted as a fight) with Cyclops, coming up in the next issue. If what I think is going on is actually going on, we'll see a major change in Charles' actions once he's back with the X-Men.

[@JeanGrey]

I like X-Men Legacy as well, its on my regular reading list. Count me among fans. So far, the story with Magneto and ex-Acolytes is the best since the title name changed.

[El Bastardo]

Practically every memory Charles has recovered over the course of this series has been about his mistakes. Exodus and Sinister have forced him to relive a "greatest blunders" highlight reel of his life. All of this has been leading up to his reunion (promoted as a fight) with Cyclops, coming up in the next issue. If what I think is going on is actually going on, we'll see a major change in Charles' actions once he's back with the X-Men.
You can't tell him that. It's not what he wants to hear.

[Canemacar]

You can't tell him that. It's not what he wants to hear.

Tell me what? All he said is Carey might be going somewhere with all the pointless flashbacks.

[Cdnmouse]

Sorry For the Double Post

[Cdnmouse]

I would have to agree with some of you. This title is one of the more entertaining on time Xmen books. I really enjoy the read.

[Specter313]

http://www.marvelcomics.pl/wysiwyg/news/2008-08/Cyclop83/x215/4441new_storyimage7869934_full.jpg

http://www.marvelcomics.pl/wysiwyg/news/2008-08/Cyclop83/x215/4441new_storyimage7869945_full.jpg

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[ProfeZZor X]

You do know MD probably is gonna be as 'great' as DWS, right?

And I can't say I'm surprised, lol. #500 must've hurt, eh?

500# was about as exciting as watching a Woody Allen movie.

As for MD, I don't care how "great" the storyline is. Just as long as Mike delivers what he said he would with Iceman's character (more drama, and power upgrades).

[El Bastardo]

That's a nice little panel - the Rogue with mirror one.

[Canemacar]

Convenient how it lets us see both the T and the A, but I guess you have to give them points for not trying the "elastic spine" method of cheesecake again. #204 made my spine hurt just looking.

[El Bastardo]

Yeah, I, uh, wasn't going in that direction. But hey, kudos to you.

[Canemacar]

Oh sure, there's the whole "fractured mirror reflecting(heh) the state of her mind and emotional state", but honestly, I don't care. Rogue's a total b****.

[El Bastardo]

I was just commenting that it was a nicely executed piece of art. Opinions on characters need not even enter into the equation.

[Canemacar]

You know me; I never pass up an opportunity to hate on Rogue.

[spark627]

pretty cool life you have

[Canemacar]

Like a rockstar, baby.

[El Bastardo]

Wow, I didn't even have to pay spark627 for that. Thanks, buddy!

[UraniaChang]

Is Rogue in that panel the current one? She's got her old look in it.

[Havok83]

Is Rogue in that panel the current one? She's got her old look in it.
I assumed it was current considering the mansion is destroyed, but then again that has happened numerous times in the past. Good question though

[Generation Lee]

I'd say current everyone has kind of had a uniform change of late so maybe Rouge is back to Green and Yellow instead of AOA.

[Brainiac 8]

I hope so, that was my favorite costume of hers. :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/solicits/marvelcomics/200811/XMEN218COVER.jpg


X-MEN: LEGACY #218
Written by MIKE CAREY
Penciled by SCOT EATON
Cover by MIKE DEODATO
Wolverine and Professor X face off against an unholy alliance of enemies old and new, as Sebastian's Shaw's schemes come to fruition. But the greatest danger arises from the most unlikely source, as Xavier's determination to atone for past sins takes him into Daken's scarred and traumatized mind.
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99

[Havok83]

When is Legacy ending and X-men returning back to how it was?

[El Bastardo]

Hopefully never.

[Havok83]

Hopefully never.
hopefully by the end of the year

[El Bastardo]

X-Men would then be, once again, a redundant title. Oh, hurrah.

Right now, all the X-books fill a certain niche and purpose. That is worth its weight in gold, and as it should be.

Let Legacy reign.

[Havok83]

X-Men would then be, once again, a redundant title. Oh, hurrah.

Right now, all the X-books fill a certain niche and purpose. That is worth its weight in gold, and as it should be.

Let Legacy reign.
X-men stopped being redundant, the moment Carey took over and actually did something different with it. Right now, UXM and AXM are redundant with the way they basically share the same cast. Theres too many mutants in limbo, and need to be together in a team book. I think I originally read that Legacy was supposed to last 12 issues and I have no idea how far along we are. I hope it does last that long and not an issue longer. Adventures from Xavier's head is getting old and it cant go on indefinitely. Spin this off as his own solo and make this a team book again. Carey wrote the best X-men team book in a while and I miss that

[Colossal Spoons]

When is Legacy ending and X-men returning back to how it was?

Not soon enough mon ami

[Canemacar]

I'm fine with it staying as Legacy; I don't want to see what horrors Carey would wreak with Gambit if he was in the book on a monthly basis, nor do I care to read about uber-rogue non-stop. Carey needs to put his talents to good use by cleaning up old plot-lines.

[JustABill]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/solicits/marvelcomics/200811/XMEN218COVER.jpg


X-MEN: LEGACY #218
Written by MIKE CAREY
Penciled by SCOT EATON
Cover by MIKE DEODATO
Wolverine and Professor X face off against an unholy alliance of enemies old and new, as Sebastian's Shaw's schemes come to fruition. But the greatest danger arises from the most unlikely source, as Xavier's determination to atone for past sins takes him into Daken's scarred and traumatized mind.
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99
Oh joy. Now he's teamed up with a mutant I like, but is overplayed.

I can't wait for them to drop the Legacy aspect of this book. :o

[Manic]

I've never seen an x-book divide us so clearly. Those of you that don't like this title as Xavier's story really don't like it.

Those of us that like it really can't see what the problem is.

[UraniaChang]

The problem is it looks like Xavier causes more troubles with the ones he tries to atone for past sins, and I wonder how many of those past sins are out there, and there goes with my hope of Scott and Xavier (ever) making up.

[El Bastardo]

I've never seen an x-book divide us so clearly. Those of you that don't like this title as Xavier's story really don't like it.

Those of us that like it really can't see what the problem is.
Those who don't like the title as Xavier's story have bad taste. :woot:

[Canemacar]

Who cares about a bald octogenarian's mid-life crisis?

[El Bastardo]

Readers who understand good writing, apparently. Like Manic and myself.

[Canemacar]

One does not necessitate the second.

[Havok83]

Who cares about a bald octogenarian's mid-life crisis?
I would have rather this concept been contained to a 6 issue max limited series

[insane polaris]

haha Thats so typical of Marvel
The fans are divided, so they through Wolverine in to gain popularity.

they wont keep him out of anything!

it may not be a bad thing... but it was only a matter of time before some one relised there was a comic without Wolverine in it.

[Manic]

Who cares about a bald octogenarian's mid-life crisis?
Chuck is in his 70s. His midlife crisis probably happened back when he experimented with Mag--






I'm not going to finish that thought.

[UraniaChang]

That would make Marko like around 80s, who obviously doesn't look like one.

[Manic]

That would make Marko like around 80s, who obviously doesn't look like one.
Magneto, Professor X, and Juggernaut don't look their proper ages due to outside forces...

Erik: Was aged to infancy by an alien, then aged back to adulthood (slightly younger than he should be). Magneto is, however, definitively in his 70s-80s, as the "holocaust survivor" thing has never been retconned.

Charles: His wife Lilandra once cloned him a new, younger body that he transferred his mind into. As a Korean War vet, he's definitely in his late 70s.

Cain: It's assumed that the Gem of Cytorrak is slowing down his aging process, as he is not only a Korean War vet, but also older than Xavier.

[Coldqueen]

Chuck is in his 70s. His midlife crisis probably happened back when he experimented with Mag--






I'm not going to finish that thought.


Please do.

[Coldqueen]

Is it just me...or...um...

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a36/coldqueen/sexualchemistry.png

Am I the only one seeing some sexual chemistry in that panel?

Also...let me note...I don't find the writing in Legacy half bad...but what is bad is Gambit's characterization. Other than that...it's not as bad as some titles out there.

[iamlegend]

Is it just me...or...um...

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a36/coldqueen/sexualchemistry.png

Am I the only one seeing some sexual chemistry in that panel?

Also...let me note...I don't find the writing in Legacy half bad...but what is bad is Gambit's characterization. Other than that...it's not as bad as some titles out there.

Gambit was just there to pimp up Shaw, who apparently Carey has another crush on.

That's why most of us want Gambit away from him forever.

[Coldqueen]

Gambit needs to go back to a solo series, one with absolutely NO cameos by any current or past X-Men.

Surr-iously.

I'm just saying though...

Man touching another man's bare chest...and complimenting him?

[chamber-music]

Magneto, Professor X, and Juggernaut don't look their proper ages due to outside forces...

Erik: Was aged to infancy by an alien, then aged back to adulthood (slightly younger than he should be). Magneto is, however, definitively in his 70s-80s, as the "holocaust survivor" thing has never been retconned.

Charles: His wife Lilandra once cloned him a new, younger body that he transferred his mind into. As a Korean War vet, he's definitely in his late 70s.

Cain: It's assumed that the Gem of Cytorrak is slowing down his aging process, as he is not only a Korean War vet, but also older than Xavier.

Its more confusing than the Summers family tree

[Canemacar]

Is it just me...or...um...

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a36/coldqueen/sexualchemistry.png

Am I the only one seeing some sexual chemistry in that panel?

Also...let me note...I don't find the writing in Legacy half bad...but what is bad is Gambit's characterization. Other than that...it's not as bad as some titles out there.


Well, Carey *has* hinted that he wants to break up Romy......

[Coldqueen]

Oh, that's just brilliant.

****ing Rogue has turned Gambit off of women.

My dreams are torn asunder.

[Canemacar]

****ing Rogue has turned Gambit off of women.


You know what? i'm fine with that. Just No. More. ****ing. Rogue.

[UraniaChang]

Eh, maybe Carey will let Gambit out of the closet (just as well), and out of the clutches of Rogue's (finally), but I'm not sure Shaw is a good direction to move on for Gambit.

[Canemacar]

Eh, maybe Carey will let Gambit out of the closet (just as well), and out of the clutches of Rogue's (finally), but I'm not sure Shaw is a good direction to move on for Gambit.

Let me guess, you'd rather he go with Cyke? :oldrazz:

[UraniaChang]

Then Gambit would have to get past Wolverine (and Emma) first, not to mention I told you before I'm more into Scott/Warren these days! :oldrazz:

[OutcryX]

wow....so proud of you guys

[Colossal Spoons]

Last issue was pretty good :up:

[Coldqueen]

wow....so proud of you guys

For what?

[aaron]

for growing up or something
i think

[Varient]

Gambit needs to go back to a solo series, one with absolutely NO cameos by any current or past X-Men.

Surr-iously.

I'm just saying though...

Man touching another man's bare chest...and complimenting him?

??
He was about to charge him like he does his playing cards,...

[Manic]

And he called him brave for being willing to go through with it, as it might cause him to explode.

[aaron]

we all know remys most likely boned a dude or two over the years

[Canemacar]

And he called him brave for being willing to go through with it, as it might cause him to explode.

Which just shows Carey doesn't know squat about the character despite drawing the entire plot from Gambit's solo(then booting him out of his own storyline). Gambit can't charge living tissue; even though Shaw can absorb the energy, it poses no danger to him.

[Manic]

I thought about that, but then I figured he'd only recently been F'd up by Apocalypse, so who knows what that did to his power?

[Canemacar]

More likely thats the only way Carey could stand for him to have an effect on the plot: saving shaw five minutes of punching the floor to build up enough energy to destroy the machine

[JustABill]

If the Rogue thing is going where I think it's going..:rolleyes:

[Havok83]

So now we have Cyclops and Emma tag teaming Xavier and Rogue is going crazy? I have to say this last issue was better than the rest since it featured some characters I actually care about

[UraniaChang]

So now we have Cyclops and Emma tag teaming Xavier

Not that I don't like the idea of the two tag teaming Xavier, but when will I get to see Scott and Xavier get back on good terms with each other? :csad:


and Rogue is going crazy?

How many times does this happen?
But I thought the baby washed her clean? :huh: at least, that what she said in MC and I just finished re-reading the whole arc.

Or maybe it's because Mystique's ***** virus is simply way too aggressive

[Havok83]

Not that I don't like the idea of the two tag teaming Xavier, but when will I get to see Scott and Xavier get back on good terms with each other? :csad:
Its old. Im ready for Scott and Xavier to go back to being how they were


How many times does this happen?
But I thought the baby washed her clean? :huh: at least, that what she said in MC and I just finished re-reading the whole arc.

Or maybe it's because Mystique's ***** virus is simply way too aggressive
The baby wiped Rogue clean of all the other minds and at teh end only Mystique's was left inside Rogue's head

[UraniaChang]

The baby wiped Rogue clean of all the other minds and at teh end only Mystique's was left inside Rogue's head

Then Mystique's mind is probably worse than all those other minds combine.

[Havok83]

Then Mystique's mind is probably worse than all those other minds combine.
lol...which is probably why she's going to be as screwed up as it looks like she might be

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm liking Rogue's new retro look :up:

And I really hope Emma doesn't just pwn Charles in their psy-battle. Chuck's gone toe to toe with Exodus and Sinister in like 3 months. Emma shouldn't be too much trouble.

[Canemacar]

I'm liking Rogue's new retro look :up:

And I really hope Emma doesn't just pwn Charles in their psy-battle. Chuck's gone toe to toe with Exodus and Sinister in like 3 months. Emma shouldn't be too much trouble.

I'm not too sure about that. Marvel's been hyping the hell out of what used to be a bush league telepath. These days, however, she's blocking sinister, boradcasting around the world sans-cerebro, and pulling information literally out of thin air.

[Colossal Spoons]

Ugh

[HandOfFate]

I'm not too sure about that. Marvel's been hyping the hell out of what used to be a bush league telepath. These days, however, she's blocking sinister, boradcasting around the world sans-cerebro, and pulling information literally out of thin air.

Sigh...so true.:csad:

I miss old Emma.

[Colossal Spoons]

I miss Jean :o

[javi1024]

But I thought the baby washed her clean? :huh: at least, that what she said in MC and I just finished re-reading the whole arc.
the baby did wipe her clean, but then after Mystique told her everything she did to get them to this point, Rogue got so pissed that she drained Mystique and now she's inside Rogue's head.

[Manic]

If Emma gets the best of Chuck, it's only because he'll let her. One continuing theme this book has had ever since Charles became its solo leading character is that Charles is looking at his life almost from the outside. He doesn't have all of his memories, and he seems devastated everytime he's confronted with a bad one. He's spent his whole life convincing himself that every underhanded thing he's done was done for all the right reasons. He's just now realizing that he's a spectacular bastard, and Scott (with a little help from Emma) is going to deliver the finishing blow.

So I doubt Emma is going to do anything crazy like get in an astral-fight with Charles. I bet Scott and Emma spend the whole time telling him off, and he lets them say what they have to say because he's finally getting to the root of why Scott no longer respects him, and why the X-Men are no longer his.

The solicits have been billing this as a fight, but I'm leaning more toward a psychic shouting match.

[Havok83]

I miss Jean :o
I loved Jean telepathically kicking Emma's a** in New X-men :D How many people do you know that have actually made Emma cry? She wouldnt be pulling this s**t with Xavier if Jean was around

[Coldqueen]

Because Jean ROXOR.

[Coldqueen]

??
He was about to charge him like he does his playing cards,...

So he had to use both hands?

On his chest?

He couldn't do the manly grip on Shaw's shoulder?

It's just...gay.:o

[UraniaChang]

I loved Jean telepathically kicking Emma's a** in New X-men How many people do you know that have actually made Emma cry? She wouldnt be pulling this s**t with Xavier if Jean was around


Thought Jean 'broke' Emma's diamond form once, didn't she? Though I doubt that Jean would be on Xavier's side if she was alive.


Enjoy this issue very much, and this title currently has the best art among the three main ones.

But some little questions, how did Rogue's hair grew this long after a short amount of time (though she does look better in this style)? and did Carey make the same mistake of forgetting that Scott's blasts don't have heat in them when he first came to see Xavier? Because I saw some fire in the scene.

[javi1024]

Thought Jean 'broke' Emma's diamond form once, didn't she? Though I doubt that Jean would be on Xavier's side if she was alive.
wasn't that Esme, the cuckoo who left and fell in love with Magneto/Xorn?

[Varient]

Which just shows Carey doesn't know squat about the character despite drawing the entire plot from Gambit's solo(then booting him out of his own storyline). Gambit can't charge living tissue; even though Shaw can absorb the energy, it poses no danger to him.

I thought that was some sort of mental block/choice.

[HandOfFate]

Because Jean ROXOR.

Damn right....:woot:

Favorite Quote from CBR

Chuck in 216:

"*****, please. Who do think taught Jean? "

[Colossal Spoons]

If Emma gets the best of Chuck, it's only because he'll let her. One continuing theme this book has had ever since Charles became its solo leading character is that Charles is looking at his life almost from the outside. He doesn't have all of his memories, and he seems devastated everytime he's confronted with a bad one. He's spent his whole life convincing himself that every underhanded thing he's done was done for all the right reasons. He's just now realizing that he's a spectacular bastard, and Scott (with a little help from Emma) is going to deliver the finishing blow.

So I doubt Emma is going to do anything crazy like get in an astral-fight with Charles. I bet Scott and Emma spend the whole time telling him off, and he lets them say what they have to say because he's finally getting to the root of why Scott no longer respects him, and why the X-Men are no longer his.

The solicits have been billing this as a fight, but I'm leaning more toward a psychic shouting match.


Yeah but how the hell did Charles not realize that he was in an illusion. If there's one thing that bald mofo should be able to do is tell when another telepath is in his head.

[Colossal Spoons]

and did Carey make the same mistake of forgetting that Scott's blasts don't have heat in them when he first came to see Xavier? Because I saw some fire in the scene.

:sigh:

I don't think the writers care anymore :( Scott's blasts will be turning objects into oranges soon

[nikbackm]

Thought Jean 'broke' Emma's diamond form once, didn't she?

Jean was the one who put Emma back together after Esme shattered her with a diamond bullet.


But some little questions, how did Rogue's hair grew this long after a short amount of time (though she does look better in this style)? and did Carey make the same mistake of forgetting that Scott's blasts don't have heat in them when he first came to see Xavier? Because I saw some fire in the scene.

That's actually no error. Scott's blast are pure kinetic force beams. When he shoots them at something the effect is pretty similar to that when two objects collide, and in inelastic collisions a large amount of the energy is converted into heat.

[Havok83]

Thought Jean 'broke' Emma's diamond form once, didn't she? Though I doubt that Jean would be on Xavier's side if she was alive.

Jean saved her life by putting her back together. She should have left her shattered there, but that wouldnt be like her to do so.

I dont see Jean being as hard on Xavier as Scott was. None of the other original X-men are hating on him and I think Jean would be like Hank, Bobby and Warren. Whereas Emma is supporting Scott's animosity and helping to fuel it, I think Jean would act more as a mediator and try to get them to come together and work out their differences and repair that broken relationship. Thats why I dont see her taking side's perse as she'd be on both of their sides

[Brainiac 8]

I don't know, I sort of understand where they are going with Scott.

Xavier was like the father who always dissapoints his son due to his mistakes. Especially considering that Scott used to see Xavier as near perfect for a father figure. He has animosity due to always being dissapointed, and hasn't been able to work through that in his own mind yet.

I went through that with my own father, so I see where they are going with that in the story. :(

[Havok83]

I don't know, I sort of understand where they are going with Scott.

Xavier was like the father who always dissapoints his son due to his mistakes. Especially considering that Scott used to see Xavier as near perfect for a father figure. He has animosity due to always being dissapointed, and hasn't been able to work through that in his own mind yet.

I went through that with my own father, so I see where they are going with that in the story. :(
I went through something similiar with my own father as well so I can see where Scott is coming from, but I wish they would start to fix things already. Instead they just keep crapping on Xavier and constantly bringing out stuff from the past to make him look worse and worse

[Brainiac 8]

I'm sure they will at some point.

The X-Men never go long without Xavier's presense, so I'm sure they'll move him in that direction.

[Coldqueen]

*just read new issue*

Oh, man...Xavier is gonna get pwned. I don't care how powerful he is, he's gonna get pwned. You can tell.

Also, LOL. I love Rogue. Nutty as a fruitcake, but she looks good so all is forgiven.

And I don't want to get my hopes up...I really, really don't...

I hope this means they're finally moving towards giving her some control over her suckage (I mean that in many ways) (Shut up, CanCan).

[Colossal Spoons]

I hope Rogue does gain some suckage control. It was getting out of hand :o

[UraniaChang]

I went through something similiar with my own father as well so I can see where Scott is coming from, but I wish they would start to fix things already. Instead they just keep crapping on Xavier and constantly bringing out stuff from the past to make him look worse and worse


While I dislike the means Xavier used to work his intentions toward Scott in #215, but he had some point about Sinister leaving possible marks on Scott's soul, Scott should at least consider it afterwards, hopefully he will when they're done with their 'fight'.

[UraniaChang]

Jean saved her life by putting her back together. She should have left her shattered there, but that wouldnt be like her to do so.

I totally confused the whole scenery, thanks, and it is something like Jean would do, she's hardly the type who leaves someone to die simply because she doesn't like them.


I dont see Jean being as hard on Xavier as Scott was. None of the other original X-men are hating on him and I think Jean would be like Hank, Bobby and Warren. Whereas Emma is supporting Scott's animosity and helping to fuel it, I think Jean would act more as a mediator and try to get them to come together and work out their differences and repair that broken relationship. Thats why I dont see her taking side's perse as she'd be on both of their sides

I don't know, it could go both ways, I mean how the rest of the X-Men feel about Charles, they might feel it's more of something personal between Scott and Xavier, or comepletely the opposite, cause Scott is the one most closest to Xavier, the one who is almost like a son to him, if Xavier went so far to 'protect' him the way he did in DG, it could mean that Xavier would treat them the same way he did Vulcan's team if Xavier faced the same dilemma again, or he would do it to others with even less guilt if they were the ones he thought he was protecting, but I think you're right about Jean being a mediator if she were there, because she cares about both parties, just like when people stuck in the situations like this.
Emma, on the other hand, probably only has Scott on her mind, and likely won't care much about Xavier, though imo if she truely wanted to support Scott, she should know that alienating the two of them isn't the most profitable way, because one might be pissed at his old man, but that doesn't mean he doesn't need his father anymore.

[javi1024]

you'd think after 20+ years of living at that school Rogue would have some semblance of control over her powers that was permanent.

[Manic]

Every now and then, Rogue seems to be able to do stuff like snatch another mutant's powers for extended periods of time without weakening them, but she's never learned to touch someone without having some sort of effect.

[javi1024]

Every now and then, Rogue seems to be able to do stuff like snatch another mutant's powers for extended periods of time without weakening them, but she's never learned to touch someone without having some sort of effect.
i think it would be pretty cool if she could touch someone and read their thoughts (not to the extant of the telepaths), but then once the contact ends so do the visions. that would show progress in her control.

but i guess if she's still gonna keep complaining about not being able touch someone, she should just slap on an inhibitor and shut up (this coming from a Rogue fan :woot:)

[Manic]

There are so many ways to neutralize Rogue's powers, her constant complaining is annoying. There are inhibitor collars, temporary nanites to inject herself with, and Forge's classic power-stripping gun. As long as Elixir is available to heal her powers back in place*, she should be able to use Forge's gun whenever she wants.


*It worked on Wolfsbane, anyway. Let's just hope it doesn't spark a sexual relationship between Rogue and Elixir, though.

[javi1024]

Let's just hope it doesn't spark a sexual relationship between Rogue and Elixir, though.
even though she'd probably be fulfilling his fantasy, i'm pretty sure that would be illegal even in San Francisco.:oldrazz:

[Manic]

Nobody told Wolfsbane that when she was making out with Elixir in the mansion's garden late at night.

[javi1024]

that i didn't know. so maybe if it comes up they'll just say he's 18.

[Manic]

It's nothing a quick trip to another country won't fix, I'm sure. Kitty Pryde was about 16 when she had sex with Pete Wisdom, but that was the legal age while they were in the UK.

[UraniaChang]

Rogue's problem is probably psychologically rooted, she probably uses her powers as an excuse (subconsciously) to keep people at arm's length so to protect herself from emotionally engaged with people and then getting hurt by them, as much as she claims that she wants them under countrol.

It makes sense that Rogue would have contradictory feelings about her powers.

[Hyperion1320]

I agree. Rogue's inability to control her powers is a purely psychological problem, probably based on early childhood abuse. We all know Rogue ran away from home and was raised by Destiny and Mystique, but why did she leave? She has carried a deep aversion to physical intimacy, but paradoxically desires it most deeply.

When Carol Danvers assumed control of Rogue's body in the Austrailian Claremont days, she was able to touch without absorbing life force. Much like Cyclop's inability(or refusal) to control his optic blasts, Rogue's condition is self-sustained. Much like I would like Cyclops to be able to control his powers voluntarily, I think Rogue should be given control over her powers, but like so often in comic books, the characters are not allowed to grow or change past their defining, marketable, nostolagic forms.

[Havok83]

The thing about Rogue is that she was originally not able to control her powers as a way to limit her so she wouldnt be too powerful. Back then if she touched people, there would be more consequences. She'd feel the psychological effects as that person would be inside her head. She also risked the chance of hurting or even killing the person she touched. In recent years, they really havent played up on those too much and we've seen her absorbing others while these side effects have been downplayed. For this reason, I think they should just do away with it bc it only becomes a plot device when she wants to romantically get involved with someone. As long as she doesnt permanently retian the powers she absorbed. I think it will be fine. I REALLY hated when CC let her have access to everyone she ever touched in X-treme. WTF was he thinking? That made her too powerful and nearly ruined her as a viable character which resulted in her having to be depowered

[Specter313]

The thing about Rogue is that she was originally not able to control her powers as a way to limit her so she wouldnt be too powerful. Back then if she touched people, there would be more consequences. She'd feel the psychological effects as that person would be inside her head. She also risked the chance of hurting or even killing the person she touched. In recent years, they really havent played up on those too much and we've seen her absorbing others while these side effects have been downplayed. For this reason, I think they should just do away with it bc it only becomes a plot device when she wants to romantically get involved with someone. As long as she doesnt permanently retian the powers she absorbed. I think it will be fine. I REALLY hated when CC let her have access to everyone she ever touched in X-treme. WTF was he thinking? That made her too powerful and nearly ruined her as a viable character which resulted in her having to be depowered

Which would probably explain what Carey was going for in the last issue with her.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Oh, Chuck, you awesome unabashed manipulative SOB, lol.

The "Sins' might've left something inside your head" excuse was a howler, really.

[UraniaChang]

It's amazing that even with most of his memory gone, he still tries to manipulate his way around, especially with Scott.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

It's amazing that even with most of his memory gone, he still tries to manipulate his way around, especially with Scott.

Still can't believe there wasn't a line like this:

"Sinister screwing with my mind? Really? Why, thanks for the newsflash, Chuck. For sake's, you couldn't come up with a better excuse? Seriously?"

[Harlekin]

I REALLY hated when CC let her have access to everyone she ever touched in X-treme. WTF was he thinking? That made her too powerful and nearly ruined her as a viable character which resulted in her having to be depowered

I figure CC planned it that way. Bring her to her peak, then take it all away and get a fresh start.

[Brainiac 8]

I actually loved when Carey had her mix and match powers...such as when she turned to diamond after touching Emma and used Cyclops optic blast to shoot beams throughout the room.

Awesome use of her power. :up:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I really liked how Mike went out of his way to explain how Cyke's blast could go through Emma's diamond form.

Although they never did. Ever.

[Varient]

you'd think after 20+ years of living at that school Rogue would have some semblance of control over her powers that was permanent.

Every now and then, Rogue seems to be able to do stuff like snatch another mutant's powers for extended periods of time without weakening them, but she's never learned to touch someone without having some sort of effect.

i think it would be pretty cool if she could touch someone and read their thoughts (not to the extant of the telepaths), but then once the contact ends so do the visions. that would show progress in her control.

but i guess if she's still gonna keep complaining about not being able touch someone, she should just slap on an inhibitor and shut up (this coming from a Rogue fan :woot:)

I'm alone in my irritation that her learning curve is so low. She CHOOSES to suffer. The X-men have access to inhibitor tech that she could wear and turn off and on as easily as pressing a stud on a watch.


I'm also one of the few that enjoyed the end result of her power,... to have the powers and abilities of EVERYONE she ever touched.

And there is a small vocal part of us here at the comic shop who feel that She needs to go slap the red hulk silly.

Nuff said.

[insane polaris]

is that Mercedes in the latest issue, Miss Sinister? or does Shaw have another woman as well.

[OutcryX]

I hope Rogue does gain some suckage control. It was getting out of hand :o


wow. those two phrases can be taken quite out of context :oldrazz:

[Colossal Spoons]

Haha, classic

[Specter313]

Marvel’s Charles Xavier was never the man of mystery that popular characters like Wolverine or Gambit have been over the years in the epic stories that have graced the pages of the numerous X-titles that have chronicled the lives of the mutants of the Marvel Universe. Mike Carey, writer of X-Men: Legacy, has been exploring somewhat uncharted waters as an amnesiac Xavier seeks answers for the jumbled memories in his head in light of the events of 2007’s Messiah Complex storyline. Finishing his recent confrontation of sorts with Cyclops in the current issue of Legacy, Xavier will be approaching Wolverine in the coming months—kicking off in X-Men: Original Sin and carrying over into both Legacy and Wolverine: Origins.

Newsarama caught up with Mike Carey to talk about his involvement in a number of current X-storylines and about things to come in X-Men: Legacy.

Newsarama: Let’s get right to it, Mike. The X-Men: Original Sin project ties both X-Men: Legacy and Wolverine: Origins together. First Cyclops...now Wolverine? Is Charles Xavier really the decent guy we’ve been lead to believe that he is or have his best intentions been a lot more not-so-well intended?

Mike Carey: Well, I guess that’s the real heart of the question that he is trying to answer. Who is he, really? He’s got bits and pieces of memories and he’s trying to bridge all of these gaps with all of the things he does know about himself—you know, what has been versus what he now is.

There’s a point in issue #216 where he says he remembers these events as a stranger would—the pieces of the past that he does remember, he kind of sees from the outside. One of the things he’s trying to do is sort of come to terms with his own motivations; the consequences of his actions; and he’s trying to grasp what his own morality is. The mere fact that he’s engaged on this quest shows that he is still a very moral man; that he cares about right and wrong. Although in the past, when he was younger and far more inexperienced, he’s overstepped the mark and done some questionable things.

NRAMA: You’re working with Daniel Way on this project—what’s your take on Wolverine’s son, Daken? Will he be figuring in more with the X-Men in the months to come?

MC: I think Daken is a fascinating character because, in some ways, he is what Logan could have been. He’s like an aspect of Wolverine’s nature taken to the furthest extreme—not tempered by Wolverine’s moral sense at all.

Daken is completely amoral and unscrupulous; he’s unrestrained. Wolverine is capable of restraint even though he has that same sort of darkness and savagery within him. In a way, I think Daken is a sort of distorted mirror image of Wolverine. It was really interesting to write him within this story.

NRAMA: Wolverine’s got sort of a strange family forming now, don’t you think? He’s got a son as well as a female clone of himself, X-23, who could be, for all intents and purposes, his daughter. Do you think with this new dynamic there could be potential for a ‘Wolverine Family’ kind of like DC’s ‘Bat-family’?

MC: (laughs) That’s an interesting concept! You could definitely see a book like that selling, couldn’t you? I think one of the more interesting aspects of this development is the way that Wolverine does not shirk away from his responsibilities to these two characters at all. You might’ve expected—being the loner that he is—that Logan would have backed away from engagement with his, for lack of a better term, his children; but he doesn’t. It’s really amazing how he’s stepped up to the plate here; the way he’s sort of shouldered the burden of seeing that they both get a chance to become human beings as opposed to following the more bestial or savage sides of their natures.

NRAMA: Will Sinister be figuring into this upcoming series of revelations as well? Or have we seen the last of him/her for the time being?

MC: We haven’t seen the last of Sinister. I don’t want to say too much about how Sinister figures into the upcoming arc—but yes, the character introduced at the end of the ‘Sins of the Father’ arc, the new female version of Sinister—I guess you can compare her to Daken as a sort of “next generation” Sinister, the way he’s a next gen Wolverine—is definitely still around; still active and part of a grouping that includes Sebastian Shaw.

NRAMA: How does the Hellfire Club keep becoming involved in all these events with Xavier at the center? Who are some of the new faces readers have been introduced to during the recent Inner Circle meetings?

MC: We’ve seen Castlemere, this cyborg guy who has been inspired by Donald Pierce. There is also this mysterious woman named Mercedes who is a member of the pro-Shaw grouping. There’s another gent named Leonine who we’ll be meeting soon. Also, we now know that Roberto DaCosta is not in the mix anymore; he’s bowed out of the Inner Circle and created a bit of a power vacuum. This story is a part of the backdrop to the events that are about to play out.

NRAMA: Is Xavier’s relationship with the X-Men going to keep getting worse? With the current developments taking place, will this forming rift be reconcilable?

MC: No comment, but read X-Men: Legacy #216. (laughs)

NRAMA: (laughs) Okay. Will there be more unexpected guest-appearances in Legacy in the months to come?

MC: Yeah, I definitely intend to keep bringing characters in. The goal is twofold really—the goal is to not have Professor X taking up his old role again and sort of working his way back into the X-Men and picking back up where he left off; but, at the same time, to allow him to be interactive with people he needs to clear the air with the most. Those are the majority of the guest-appearances; some of them you can pretty much guess who they are if you ask yourself the question, “Who does Xavier feel he still has unfinished business with?” and those are going to be the people we’re going to be seeing by and large.

NRAMA: With the advent of a number of villainous characters being “reborn” in the pages of X-Force—are there any of these once-dead, mutant-killing supremacist characters that you’d like to get your hands on?

MC: I know all of the characters you’re referring to...

NRAMA: They brought back quite a few. Bolivar Trask, Stephen Lang, Cameron Hodge, the Leper Queen—pretty much anyone who has had a mad-on for the X-Men...

MC: Yeah, that’s quite a list of folks who’ve held a grudge towards the X-Men. I think it would be nice to do a Bolivar Trask story. I think he’s an interesting character.

NRAMA: He’s been turning up quite a bit—in X-Force and in a flashback or two in Legacy—but he’s been dead for close to 40 years in ‘real time’...

MC: Yeah, he has been sort of off the table, hasn’t he? But we find ways around that sort of thing all the time. (laughs)

NRAMA: That was an evil laugh, Mike. Are you involved with X-Men: Infernus at all? Or are you going to be primarily focused on Charles’ story in Legacy? Are there any other projects you’re working on that fans will see this winter?

MC: There are some other Marvel projects—everything I’m doing in the X-verse is sort of out on the table already—Secret Invasion, Manifest Destiny and Original Sin, Legacy as an ongoing —although Legacy will be sort of reborn/reinvented a little way down the road. We’re moving towards an epic arc which will bring Rogue back into the spotlight and after that Legacy will undergo another metamorphosis because, by that time, we will have brought Xavier to the point where we want him to be and the book will sort of move off in another direction.

NRAMA: Let’s change gears and talk about the Iceman story in the Manifest Destiny mini-series. What’s the deal with Mystique? Why does she have this sadistic fascination with Bobby Drake? Also, what’s going on with his powers? Is he changing again?

MC: I think you can definitely read this story as a postscript to the “Get Mystique” arc in Wolverine. There was a climactic confrontation there—some very significant things were said by Wolverine to Mystique and she’s still got those things in her mind as she goes back to Iceman. Why she goes back to Iceman will be something that she will explain herself as the story in the Manifest Destiny mini-series plays out—and I will say that all is not as it appears on the surface.

As for Bobby’s powers—he is changing and we’re going to sort of chart that as we go on. We’re not going to give him new powers. We are, to an extent, emphasizing different aspects of his existing powers; all of which are already canonical.

NRAMA: Are there going to be big revelations for other members of the X-Men? You talked about Rogue and this transition in Legacy; with the return of a number of matured classic New Mutants characters across all of the X-titles, are there any of those particular characters that you’d like to draw into the tapestry of the X-Men: Legacy title?

MC: I would definitely like to revisit Sam Guthrie—Cannonball. He’s always been a character I have a lot of time for. I think Dani Moonstar is fascinating; although I don’t necessarily see a way to include her in Legacy in the immediate future. I’ve always liked Karma as well. They’re all pretty cool characters—they are a lot of things you can do with them; you’re right that they are sort of coming back and ascending onto the scene in 2009. They’re sort of the missing generation.

NRAMA: Will there be any other returning villains from X-times past that readers should keep they’re eyes peeled for in upcoming issues of Legacy?

MC: One from the very recent past, yes; who is going to be showing up very soon. Someone who has a very specific, very personal, grudge against Xavier—and in some ways, it’s kind of a surprise we haven’t seen this character before now...given recent events.

After that...I can’t really talk about who else will be showing up in the title.

NRAMA: In closing, sum up Legacy as Charles’ book—you mentioned early that you’re trying to take the character is a new direction...just where is he going?

MC: He doesn’t know where he’s going—he’s exploring his past with the urgent need to make decisions about his future . I think the point that we’re taking him to is the moment when he makes that first decision; where he says, “Where do I go from here?”

[Canemacar]

That first line is the mos awkward and over-wrought sentence I've ever read.

[Manic]

"Marvel’s Charles Xavier was never the man of mystery that popular characters like Wolverine or Gambit have been over the years in the epic stories that have graced the pages of the numerous X-titles that have chronicled the lives of the mutants of the Marvel Universe."

Ick. You're right. That sentence needs a couple of semicolons or periods. It's trying too hard.

[The Englishman]

Whens Iceman going to appear in Lecacy???

[javi1024]

Whens Iceman going to appear in Lecacy???
i think theyre explaining Iceman's absence in Manifest Destiny, unless that still takes place before the move to San Francisco.

[Manic]

Manifest Destiny shows that Iceman chose to (in a way) take some time off from the X-Men.

[The Englishman]

Manifest Destiny shows that Iceman chose to (in a way) take some time off from the X-Men.
Yes but when this book was coming out carey said Iceman was going to cameo in it???

[OutcryX]

I sooo hope the recent villain isn't Vulcan

[squeekness]

I liked Vulcan, that is, before he went off into space and became a demi-God. :P I wouldn't mind seeing him again depending on what they do with him. I don't like my villians that powerful.

[squeekness]

I liked Vulcan, that is, before he went off into space and became a demi-God. :p I wouldn't mind seeing him again depending on what they do with him. I don't like my villians that powerful.

[Brainiac 8]

Vulcan won't be in the X-Men anytime soon, if at all any longer. He is about to appear in the "War of Kings", when he and the Shiar fight Blackagar and the Inhumans for supremecy of the now defunct Kree/Skrull empire.

On top of that the Starjammers, Nova, and the Guardians of the Galaxy will be stuck in the middle of the war.

It will be awesome. :up:

[UraniaChang]

I don't understand why Vulcan still lets Xavier run around living and breathing when he was so apparently pissed off at him in DG, now he seems to be only interesting in dominating the galaxy.
Hope Alex beats him up a bit in the War of Kings.

[Brainiac 8]

Bigger fish to fry is my guess.

Why worry about one man when he runs an empire, and now has a shot to take advantage of the imbalance of power in the universe.

Plus, I would much rather see Blackagar and Vulcan go at it, since they are two people of immense power. Oh, to see Blackbolt shout at least once in Vulcan's direction is too big of a temptation to pass up. :O

[Manic]

I don't understand why Vulcan still lets Xavier run around living and breathing when he was so apparently pissed off at him in DG, now he seems to be only interesting in dominating the galaxy.
Hope Alex beats him up a bit in the War of Kings.
I think he's under the impression Charles is dead. He was apparently surveilling the X-Men during Messiah CompleX, and during "Divided We Stand," he taunted Alex by showing him footage of Xavier getting shot in the head.

[Brainiac 8]

I didn't read DWS, so I didn't see that.

Yea, he probably thinks Xavier's dead then, if he saw him get shot.

[UraniaChang]

I think he's under the impression Charles is dead. He was apparently surveilling the X-Men during Messiah CompleX, and during "Divided We Stand," he taunted Alex by showing him footage of Xavier getting shot in the head.

Oh, I didn't know that, thanks for the reminder, but when Vulcan finds out that Xavier's alive...

[Manic]

Oh, I didn't know that, thanks for the reminder, but when Vulcan finds out that Xavier's alive...
He'll have to put it aside. The Shi'ar Empire is finally crossing over with all the other deep space alien stories. For once, they'll be too busy keeping the empire safe to bother the X-Men, attack the Grey family, or capture & torture Charles Xavier.

[UraniaChang]

This is Vulcan we're talking about, hothead, short-tempered and a big ego, I doubt he will put it aside for long.

[nikbackm]

He'll have to put it aside. The Shi'ar Empire is finally crossing over with all the other deep space alien stories. For once, they'll be too busy keeping the empire safe to bother the X-Men, attack the Grey family, or capture & torture Charles Xavier.

Not necessarily. He's ruling an intergalactic empire after all. He should easily be able to dispatch a few troops to get Xavier for him. Not that I think this will actually happen.

[Specter313]

This is Vulcan we're talking about, hothead, short-tempered and a big ego, I doubt he will put it aside for long.

He's also someone who is mentally the age of a teenager when he "died" on Genosha and very easily distracted and persuadable. Just look at his original mission to destroy the Shi'ar empire. That went on full force until Deathbird and her poon came along. That went from "must destroy empire!" to "why don't I just rule it instead?" As soon as something else comes along to distract him, the stuff back on earth will be the last thing on his mind.

[UraniaChang]

Like a kid who gets distracted by a lollipop, eh?

I guess you have a point.

[Specter313]

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X-MEN: LEGACY #219
Written by MIKE CAREY
Penciled by PHIL BRIONES
Cover by MIKE MCKONE
Professor Xavier finds himself face-to-face with his half-brother--The Unstoppable Juggernaut!
But is Juggernaut friend or foe?
32 PGS./Rated A ...$2.99

[aaron]

omg i love the cover

[Manic]

But is Juggernaut friend or foe?


Really? They're going to tease us with the prospect that Juggernaut might try to hurt Charles? After they made up? After Juggernaut came to his rescue when the Hulk attacked? I get that Cain promised Cytorrak to cause havoc and chaos in exchange for more power, but I like to think Cain would restrain himself with the idea of attacking the little brother he's finally reconciled with.

[Specter313]

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X-Men: Legacy #216 will arrive in stores on Sept. 24 from Marvel Comics. The issue is written by Mike Carey, with art by Scot Eaton and a cover by Salvador Larocca.

Here's how Marvel describes the issue:

"No X-Man goes back further with Charles Xavier than Cyclops, but the trust between them has been eroded by terrible revelations. Now Xavier wants Scott Summers to hold a mirror up to his own past and present. What he sees there could destroy both of them..."

X-Men: Legacy #216 will be 32 pages and will cost $2.99

[JustABill]

Oh come on! I love Emma and all that good ****, but her owning Xavier like that is B.S.

[OutcryX]

i concur. i mean. has she received a power boost or something?

[Manic]

This is just ridiculous. I'm going with the theory that Charles just isn't fighting this, because he could whip Emma's astral ass with minimal effort.

[UraniaChang]

Hard to tell with these telepaths, one minute they're are mighty powerful, next they're on the ground because of some interference, but I think Xavier's emotional state palys a crucial part here, I guess he really wants to know what kind of people he was in other people's eyes since he doesn't have much of his previous memory.

[Obsidian Idea]

Heck-to-the-no Emma isn't stronger than Xavier and she acknowledges that when Xavier says so. He's definitely letting this happen because he's obviously in doubt of himself. Charles and Emma respect each other.

Hey guys, I haven't been able to follow a lot of X-stuff (due to money, time, life, etc.,;) I get most of my info from boards like this and others, but is Scott through with Xavier because of the Gabriel drama or did some more ish happen in Messiah Complex that I'm unaware of?

[UraniaChang]

After MC (and what happened to Xavier in the last part of the story), they seemd to get over some of the problems between them (Scott said he got over hating Xavier for what he did to his family before until Xavier pulled the same trick on him again), but with Xavier returning and mind-suggesting/controlling Scott to go and see him causes troubles between them again.

[Manic]

This is pretty much all still about the stuff with Gabriel, not to mention Danger.

[nikbackm]

This is just ridiculous. I'm going with the theory that Charles just isn't fighting this, because he could whip Emma's astral ass with minimal effort.

Perhaps you did not read the part where she acknowledged that she got the drop on him? Basically she walked up to him while he was unaware/sleeping and tied him up to use a real world analogy. And so far in the preview he hasn't tried resisting either.

It's pretty obvious Carey does not try to show a fight between Emma and Xavier, instead he is using the examination for Sinister traces as a way to show us more of Xavier's past.

[Obsidian Idea]

Thanks UC and Manic.

[Havok83]

This last issue was probably the best one of Legacy yet. I wasnt bored and enjoyed it. The art was good too. It reaffirms how much I hate Emma. I really cant stand her.

I wonder what that last shot meant. Is Scott ready to let go and be fine with Xavier now?

[javi1024]

This last issue was probably the best one of Legacy yet. I wasnt bored and enjoyed it. The art was good too. It reaffirms how much I hate Emma. I really cant stand her.

I wonder what that last shot meant. Is Scott ready to let go and be fine with Xavier now?
i've actually been warming up to Emma, its when i hear her bedroom comments in the other books that i hate. but yes, this has been my favorite part since the "Legacy" switch.

[Havok83]

i've actually been warming up to Emma, its when i hear her bedroom comments in the other books that i hate. but yes, this has been my favorite part since the "Legacy" switch.
watching her slap Xavier was too much for me. Talk about being disrespectful. I hate how Marvel keeps crapping on him. Enough is enough already

[UraniaChang]

watching her slap Xavier was too much for me. Talk about being disrespectful. I hate how Marvel keeps crapping on him. Enough is enough already

Are you meaning about Emma or the writers of Marvel?

[Havok83]

Are you meaning about Emma or the writers of Marvel?
I was talking about Emma

[nikbackm]

No need to be so upset on Xavier's behalf. :yay:

I am sure some tough love is just what he needs to get back on track again.

[Havok83]

No need to be so upset on Xavier's behalf. :yay:

I am sure some tough love is just what he needs to get back on track again.
except he doesnt need tough love. Xavier is fine. He is being trashed for things that happend years ago. Those around are the ones with the problems now, not him

[squeekness]

Well, a leader is the sum of his experience. Maybe it's for the best that he rehashes his mistakes. When he sees the whole of his life as a leader through this new perspective, perhaps it will only make him that better of an advisor to Scott in the future.

[UraniaChang]

Yeah, Xavier could be more equipped with giving Scott the 'been there, done that, and look where it had gotten me?' advise when Scott needs it.