Official X-MEN: LEGACY Discussion Thread

[Colossal Spoons]

Finally read issue 216. Blah blah blah blah. Where does Emma get off saying all that **** to Charles. She hasn't forgotten her own past, I hope :o

[Manic]

I was under the impression that everything Emma said had a double-meaning. Like "I've already screwed up my life and the lives of others, and I learned to deal with it. You should too."

[Colossal Spoons]

Blah blah blah :cmad:

[Manic]

You're just mad that nobody gets the taste slapped out their mouth in this X-title.

[Colossal Spoons]

The one person that does, is Xavier. And it happens every month; whether it be physically or mentally :down:

[Havok83]

The one person that does, is Xavier. And it happens every month; whether it be physically or mentally :down:
I wish someone would slap Emma. Storm would get major points in my book, if she'd shut her up with a lightning charged smack across the face

[Colossal Spoons]

I don't want her to turn evil again or anything. I just want her to die.

[nikbackm]

I wish someone would slap Emma. Storm would get major points in my book, if she'd shut her up with a lightning charged smack across the face

You might want to read Original Sin #1 then.

[Brainiac 8]

I like Emma. :(

Her and Cyclops relationship is miles more interesting than the Scott/Jean relationship ever was.

[Havok83]

I like Emma. :(

Her and Cyclops relationship is miles more interesting than the Scott/Jean relationship ever was.If by interesting, you mean, makes you want to pull your eyes out, then yes they are. Scott/Emma is one of the most nauesating pairs to come along in a long time. He used to be my 2nd favorite character but cant stomache him with her. I cant beleive they've lasted this long and I wish someone would just end them already

You might want to read Original Sin #1 then.
Dont know what that is, but will try and check it out

[Colossal Spoons]

Original Sin is a 1-shot that came out last week :up:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Original Sin is a 1-shot that came out last week :up:

Ain't a one-shot. It's a crossover with the godawful Origins.

They're ripping off Millar's storyline from Ultimate.

And don't get me started on the glorious scene of Wolvie smacking Cyke & Ems around. Yeah, the guy who wanted to murder Chuck throws a hissy fit because Cyke/Ems met him five minutes ago and haven't told him yet.

God I hate Way.

[Colossal Spoons]

I stand corrected, not readin that crap anyway :o

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Well, the art is pretty sweet, though.

I'll give them that.

[nikbackm]

Her and Cyclops relationship is miles more interesting than the Scott/Jean relationship ever was.

To be fair, it's not very hard for it to be more interesting than Scott/Jean.

[UraniaChang]

And don't get me started on the glorious scene of Wolvie smacking Cyke & Ems around. Yeah, the guy who wanted to murder Chuck throws a hissy fit because Cyke/Ems met him five minutes ago and haven't told him yet.



Yeah, that part had me rolled my eyes, but then, Wolverine is always a master of double-standards anyway, or just someone who thinks he's too important.
And his reasoning of why and how Xavier should help his son (he suddenly remembers he has a son every 5 years obviously) is really selfish and ridiculous.

[mightiest_mortal]

So, If Legacy really as boring and pointless as it always seems from solicits and previews? Why oh why has one of the core X-Titles become this?

[Manic]

I like it because it's a character study of Charles Xavier, and is basically making any future "Xavier is secretly a bastard who did seedy things in his past" stories unnecessary.

But it doesn't have tons of action, witty battle quips, or standout "badass" moments from anyone, so a bunch of people don't like it.

[Brainiac 8]

It's the first time someone has done something truly interesting with Xavier in a long time. It is a fantastic look at how Charles works on the inside and how he sees his students.

It's one of my favorite reads each month. :up:

[Specter313]

Cover reveald for issue #220 in Jan.:


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X-MEN: LEGACY #220
Written by MIKE CAREY
Penciled by SCOT EATON
Cover by LEE BERMEJO

“Salvage”
It’s the moment that X-Fans have been waiting for — Rogue makes her return to the X-Books. But while Xavier seeks out Rogue, who is searching for him? Hunter becomes hunted and friend (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18474#) becomes foe, in a story that will change your favorite Southern Belle forever. Part 1 (of 5)
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

[Brainiac 8]

The art for the cover is horrible.

The return of Rogue. :up:

I keep having this feeling that they are going to mohawk Storm again. :(

[Havok83]

good grief 5 part arc? So Im guessing Legacy is lasting past the year mark

[javi1024]

The art for the cover is horrible.

The return of Rogue. :up:

I keep having this feeling that they are going to mohawk Storm again. :(
at least Eaton is still pencilling. hes ok in my book. and seeing storm in a mohawk couldn't be worse then watch bianchi has done to her. why do she and Colossus have two current costumes per book (Colossus when he appears)?

[Havok83]

something's not right about seeing Mohawk Storm in a thong

[OutcryX]

something that will yet again "change Rogue forever"....sigh

[UraniaChang]

Rogue looks she's in a trance, I hope this is not the sigh of her being a drama queen again.
The only change she should have is to control her powers(or ackowledge and accept that she won't be able to control her powers and make peace with the knowledge).

[Specter313]

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X-Men: Legacy #217 will arrive in stores on Oct. 22 from Marvel Comics. The issue is written by Mike Carey, with art by Scot Eaton and a cover by Mike Deodato and Richard Isanove.

Here's how Marvel describes the issue:

"'Original Sin,' part 2. After his bruising encounter with Cyclops and Emma Frost, Professor X is forced to revisit the biggest challenge and the biggest failure of his career: Logan. But the layers of lies hide one last, deadly secret which goes back to the days of the X-Men's founding, and the Professor's timing couldn't possibly be worse.."

X-Men: Legacy #217 will be 32 pages and will cost $2.99

[Manic]

So that's what the original sin was? The reason Logan couldn't remember his past was because Charles broke his mind?

*sigh*

[nikbackm]

It had apparently been broken and reassembled many times before that. What's one more? :oldrazz:

[javi1024]

So that's what the original sin was? The reason Logan couldn't remember his past was because Charles broke his mind?

*sigh*
so....first Charles screwed with Cyclops's head and now Wolverine?....what the hell Marvel!

[UraniaChang]

Just like what Marvel has been telling us. :cwink:

[javi1024]

Rogue looks she's in a trance, I hope this is not the sigh of her being a drama queen again.
The only change she should have is to control her powers(or ackowledge and accept that she won't be able to control her powers and make peace with the knowledge).
i just want to see the happy, ass-kicking Rogue again.

[JustABill]

Does no writer know how to write Charles Xavier into a plot where he's not a ginormous jackass?

[nikbackm]

so....first Charles screwed with Cyclops's head and now Wolverine?....what the hell Marvel!

Does no writer know how to write Charles Xavier into a plot where he's not a ginormous jackass?

Well, at least Wolverine himself seems to think that what Charles did was a good thing. Cannot say I disagree with him.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Rogue looks she's in a trance, I hope this is not the sigh of her being a drama queen again.

Tsk tsk tsk. Haven't been paying attention, have ya? Claremazons are by default drama queens because they can do and be EVERYTHING. New character template or not.

Fine, except Sage. She's different 1100100101 kind of everything. But she got retconned into existence and mattering in a certain writer's delusional word, so it totally evens it out.

Anyway, still not digging mucho this crossover. But then again, anything having something to do with Origins is an automatic FAIL! in my book, eh.

[Canemacar]

Hey, looks like Gambit is showing up in Rogue's arc.

http://xmenfansite.com/latest-articles/exclusive-interview-with-mike-carey-writer-of-x-men-legacy.html

X-Men Fan Site: The Rogue/Gambit relationship has a very love/hate reaction from fans. What are your thoughts on that pairing?

Mike Carey: I like the dynamic between them, but I think they're strong enough apart that it shouldn't be automatic to put them together whenever they're on-stage. Okay, they'll always be a big part of each other's lives, but there's a danger of defaulting back to a boom-and-bust model where Rogue suspects Remy, then is reconciled with him, then back to suspicion again. I'm going to have some Rogue-Gambit beats coming up very soon, but I'm not going to take it in the most obvious direction.


Christ, this is going to be painful, isn't it?

[UraniaChang]

Means he's not going to break them up, huh?
Can't say I'm surprised.

[Colossal Spoons]

Does no writer know how to write Charles Xavier into a plot where he's not a ginormous jackass?

Seriously

[ragingdemon155]

I was really enjoying the X-men Legacy title. Really was, but damn I'm just sick of Wolverine completely. Seeing him anywhere, if only for an issue or two just upsets the hell out of me. This coming from a big Wolverine fan. I'm just tired of the character.

[ragingdemon155]

so....first Charles screwed with Cyclops's head and now Wolverine?....what the hell Marvel!

Well to be fair, Anyone with Charles power would be doing the same thing.:woot:

[ragingdemon155]

Hey, looks like Gambit is showing up in Rogue's arc.

http://xmenfansite.com/latest-articles/exclusive-interview-with-mike-carey-writer-of-x-men-legacy.html

X-Men Fan Site: The Rogue/Gambit relationship has a very love/hate reaction from fans. What are your thoughts on that pairing?

Mike Carey: I like the dynamic between them, but I think they're strong enough apart that it shouldn't be automatic to put them together whenever they're on-stage. Okay, they'll always be a big part of each other's lives, but there's a danger of defaulting back to a boom-and-bust model where Rogue suspects Remy, then is reconciled with him, then back to suspicion again. I'm going to have some Rogue-Gambit beats coming up very soon, but I'm not going to take it in the most obvious direction.



Well, I started collecting X-men Legacy in hopes that Gambit/Rogue would be appearing in the title. Glad to see I'll be getting my Gambit/Rogue fix soon. I'm just tired of Gambit appearing and then not appearing for so long. Wish they would give the character his own title or give him some type of consistency in the X-titles.

[Manic]

I don't think they'd be willing to give Gambit his own title. They gave him one just in 2004/2005, and it didn't sell well enough to get past 12 issues.

[Canemacar]

I don't think they'd be willing to give Gambit his own title. They gave him one just in 2004/2005, and it didn't sell well enough to get past 12 issues.

Too bad they cancelled the solo he had in 2000 that actually sold enough to keep going.

[squeekness]

I'll be happy to see my number one Cajun again, though I'd prefer he be Rogue-less. I'm happy anytime someone dusts him off and keeps him out of limbo.

[Brainiac 8]

I'm a huge fan of the Gambit/Rogue dynamic, so this news makes me one happy X-fan. :up:

[Havok83]

Rogue and Gambit are absolute toxic to each other. Why cant Marvel see that? They may have been alright 15 years ago, but times have changed. They bring out the worst in each other and they both drag the other down. I find them to be MUCH more enjoyable apart then together. They should be in seperate titles and Id rather they leave that in the past and move on, kind of like how they've done with Angel/Psylocke

Means he's not going to break them up, huh?
Can't say I'm surprised.
how can they break up when they arent together?

[UraniaChang]

how can they break up when they arent together?

I mean break up as in break up their entangled history with each other once and for all. This is the one pairing which should've died like 20 years ago.



Romy has one plot only, that is 'we love each other but we can't touch!' - and it's not cute anymore, they are both downright pathetic with each other, particularly Gambit. If he slapped Rogue everytime when she was being a drama queen they might have been more interesting. But I can't see that happen with Carey being a Rogue fan so the only other best solution left (though it's no more possible, but it makes me happy just by imagining of it) is to let they beat each other up and walk on a completely opposite direction.

[Varient]

I mean break up as in break up their entangled history with each other once and for all. This is the one pairing which should've died like 20 years ago.



Romy has one plot only, that is 'we love each other but we can't touch!' - and it's not cute anymore, they are both downright pathetic with each other, particularly Gambit. If he slapped Rogue everytime when she was being a drama queen they might have been more interesting. But I can't see that happen with Carey being a Rogue fan so the only other best solution left (though it's no more possible, but it makes me happy just by imagining of it) is to let they beat each other up and walk on a completely opposite direction.

(Grumble)

It bothers me no end that Rogue just doesn't drag remy down to the danger room,... set the machines to neutralize her powers, and jump his bones.

Or better yet:
grab a shiar, Forge, Hellfire club, or Brotherhood of evil mutants mutant neutralizer collar,... put it on and STOP THE DRAMA!

(WHEW!!!)

[UraniaChang]

Or there's the word 'Platonic Love', being more spiritual won't cause her any harm anyway.

[squeekness]

Rogue and Remy were both depowered in Extreme and their relationship didn't get any better. That should have been a clue right there that it was time to part ways.

[The Englishman]

So whens this getting turned back into a team book then??

[squeekness]

Probably not for a while, so far the solicits have been all about Xavier pretty much.

[Brainiac 8]

Truthfully, I am enjoying this book immensly...and I don't miss it being a team book right now. Plus Carey is keeping Gambit and Rogue a part of it, so I'm happy. :p

[squeekness]

Me, too. There are enough X-men involved in each book that it doesn't feel empty to me. :) It's been much better than I had expected it would be.

[Brainiac 8]

Exactly, the writing is fantastic, and it's been years since Xavier has been so interesting.

Plus, why do we need three books with the same standard 7 or 8 characters that are in all the books?

[javi1024]

Exactly, the writing is fantastic, and it's been years since Xavier has been so interesting.

Plus, why do we need three books with the same standard 7 or 8 characters that are in all the books?
i've kinda been asking myself that with Astonishing. after MC and Giant-Sized, i don't see the point of the book when Cyclops, Emma, Wolverine, Beast, and Storm are in both books. and while each book is well written, i feel Uncanny is the more fun read.

[Brainiac 8]

Quite a switch isn't it. It used to be Astonishing was usually the higher quality, but now Uncanny took the reigns back over the the prime X Team book. :p

That's the point though, both books use the same few characters, plus a few in Uncanny. Why would we want Legacy to just turn into another of those, especially since Carey is doing wonders for Xavier, plus usuing a few other characters that have been so mis-handled in the recent past.

Legacy has given me regular doses of Rogue, Gambit, and Shaw. :D

[javi1024]

Quite a switch isn't it. It used to be Astonishing was usually the higher quality, but now Uncanny took the reigns back over the the prime X Team book. :p
well that was Marvel's plan with MC and Brubaker's take over of Uncanny. mission accomplished i say.

do we know how much longer Brubaker is staying? is he still b#$%!ing?

[Brainiac 8]

I think he is off the book now..and I think Fraction has taken over as the full timer.

[javi1024]

I think he is off the book now..and I think Fraction has taken over as the full timer.
"now" as in this moment in time or "now" as in this current issue? i was pretty sure i saw his name on #503.

[Brainiac 8]

I'm not sure to be honest...I thought it was last issue, but I didn't check to see who the writers were...maybe it's after this current arc.

[insane polaris]

We now know Miss Sinister's name is Claudine Renko (from the latest issue)...

so who was the Girl in the Hellfire meeting (issue 215) Shaw calls her Mercedes?
(i thought that she was Miss Sinister)

[Specter313]

You mean the blonde? No, those were two different people.

[squeekness]

So who is Mercedes again?

[Manic]

It wasn't a blonde. She had black hair, but her skin was more tan and she didn't have the red diamond on her forehead.

[Specter313]

Oh her, yeah, she's still different too. Just another of these new Hellfire characters that we don't know all about yet.

[nikbackm]

I think he is off the book now..and I think Fraction has taken over as the full timer.

No, he will be on until about #530 according to some sources.

FYI, the 501-503 was written by Fraction and the next four issues are supposed to be written by Brubaker. The general plotting is done by them both though.

[Havok83]

No, he will be on until about #530 according to some sources.

FYI, the 501-503 was written by Fraction and the next four issues are supposed to be written by Brubaker. The general plotting is done by them both though.
#530? Assuming theres no bi-monthly issues, thats 2 years away from now. Why would they announce him leaving so early then?

[UraniaChang]

Because it's the only thing Marvel office can be certain right now?

Just kidding.

[Brainiac 8]

No, he will be on until about #530 according to some sources.

FYI, the 501-503 was written by Fraction and the next four issues are supposed to be written by Brubaker. The general plotting is done by them both though.


Then why announce his depature from the title...that was stupid if that's the case. :huh:

[mightiest_mortal]

hopefully theyl be on for a while. THe whole teams a bit too happy, chirpy and cheesy at the moment so it feel's a bit forced (and the art doesnt help) but i have great confidence in Bru+Fraction so give them time and with any luck they could do something stellar.
(also give them Choi for the entire run and just keep Crain on X-Force)

Back on topic, i actually grabbed the past few issues and not too bad. Though Miss Sinister is really REALLY annoying. Sounds like a Claremont invention.. only she'd have super Deus Ex powers that could do anything at all she wanted if she was.

[javi1024]

anybody else find it disturbing that Sinister is flirting with Logan's son, and basically hinted that they did the nasty?

[Manic]

It's a thought I could've lived without ever having.

[Obsidian Idea]

In an interview Carey basically said Miss Sinister or Claudine, as she's been addressed, is her own person with her own past despite being a female clone of Sinister. She's apparently been around for a little bit. Carey also said she's more sadistic and a little more whimsical than Sinister; he said her having Sinister's abilities and being a disturbed individual as well makes for a nasty villain we have yet to see in action.

[squeekness]

I wonder if her darkness appeals to Daken's darkness. It doesn't surprise me at all that she took him for a spin.

[UraniaChang]

She is not a good girl, he is not a good boy, perfect match.

[OutcryX]

Wolverine is older than God, so how old is Daken?

[UraniaChang]

Older than God, but younger than Wolverine.

[squeekness]

Wolverine is older than God, so how old is Daken?If Logan is 100+ I'd say Daken is 40-45 or so. :D

[Havok83]

I dont like that Daken has crossed over into the core X-men books with this story. I preferred him isolated in Wolverine's titles. Dont know much about him, but really dont care. I just hope they dont whore him out like his father

[squeekness]

I doubt he will stick around long in a core X-Title, though I thought I had heard a rumor he might land in X-Force which seems to be a good fit considering he is as much of a killer as dear ole dad.

[OutcryX]

i think i would like Daken in X-Force. since it is inevitable that he will wind up a semi-good guy

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

too... many.. claws...

[Havok83]

Wolverine + X-23 + Daken = Overkill (no pun intended)

[UraniaChang]

One big, happy, family of Claws.

[Colossal Spoons]

I dont like that Daken has crossed over into the core X-men books with this story. I preferred him isolated in Wolverine's titles. Dont know much about him, but really dont care. I just hope they dont whore him out like his father

Agreed. But I think he'll go away after this crossover

[OutcryX]

oh no. he is spawn of wolverine. therefore he will get a big push much like his 'sister' did.

[Manic]

I think X-23 is kinda/sorta Daken's aunt. Logan has called Laura his "little sister" before.

[Specter313]

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Story by
Mike Carey
Art by
Scott Eaton
Colors by
Frank D’Armata
Letters by
VC - Cory Petit
Cover by
Mike Deodato Jr.
Publisher
Marvel Comics
Cover Price:
$2.99
Release Date
Wed, November 19th, 2008

Wolverine and Professor X face off against an unholy alliance of enemies old and new, as Sebastian's Shaw's schemes come to fruition. But the greatest danger arises from the most unlikely source, as Xavier's determination to atone for past sins takes him into Daken's scarred and traumatized mind.

[Manic]

It's a story I don't care about, but I love seeing Chuck spring into action. I'm still skipping this issue, though.

[Havok83]

Couldnt this stuff have been contained to the 9 Wolverine books? Its bad enough that X-men has turned into a Charles solo book, but now having him share the spotlight with Wolverine in a very Logan centric story is unbearable. I think this is the issue I finally just drop the title. Im sticking to only reading UXM, Cable and X-force now

[Manic]

I was just looking at the preview pages again, thinking about how Eaton is no longer drawing Charles to look like Patrick Stewart like he was during Messiah CompleX. Then it hit me: now he looks like Leonard Nimoy.

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[javi1024]

yea i can understand how you feel, but its still an enjoyable story and thats why im picking it up.

[UraniaChang]

I just noticed how much Logan likes to be on his knees.
Not interested in the current plot, especially now Wolverine is encouraging Xavier to ''move around the furniture'' in other people's head, even if he wants to save the son he has ignored for the best part of the previous storyline.

[Colossal Spoons]

Couldnt this stuff have been contained to the 9 Wolverine books? Its bad enough that X-men has turned into a Charles solo book, but now having him share the spotlight with Wolverine in a very Logan centric story is unbearable. I think this is the issue I finally just drop the title. Im sticking to only reading UXM, Cable and X-force now

I'm close to doing the same man, very close.

[Manic]

I just noticed how much Logan likes to be on his knees.
Not interested in the current plot, especially now Wolverine is encouraging Xavier to ''move around the furniture'' in other people's head, even if he wants to save the son he has ignored for the best part of the previous storyline.
Well, in all fairness to Chuck, he's given up the pretense of "asking permission" to get into someone's head ever since he had the bullet taken out of his head.

[Specter313]

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X-MEN: LEGACY #221
Written by MIKE CAREY
Penciled by SCOT EATON
Cover by LEE BERMEJO
“Salvage”
The desert ghost-town that was once the X-Men's HQ has been reborn as a city of the damned with only one inhabitant: Rogue. But as Professor X and Gambit struggle to reach her, they discover that sometimes one is a very large number... Part 2 (of 5)
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[Havok83]

Interesting cover. I wonder if it connects to thers bc it seems cut off there

[javi1024]

even though it sucks that the book focuses on Professor X, its really cool how its pretty much a look-back on X-history.

[squeekness]

Yay! It says Gambit is in it. :D

[OutcryX]

well duh..Rogue is in it...and what good is Dorothy without Toto?

[Colossal Spoons]

Maybe Wicked will show up in the issue :p

[Obsidian Idea]

well duh..Rogue is in it...and what good is Dorothy without Toto?

HA!! That's a good one!! I particularly, despite the fact that I haven't gone through the tumultuous Rogue/Gambit relationship in the comics like most of you guys, think Roguee-Roo needs a new love.

[Manic]

Rogue don't need no man. Unless it's Pulse or Leech is all grown up (which, by the way, he would be by now if writers remembered that he was the same age as Wolfsbane when he was introduced), the next guy will have to deal with purely non-physical love that would involve never getting to first base. When you're dating a hot chick who insists on wearing revealing outfits when she's not wearing her skin-tight uniform, you're going to go completely apes*** if you can't touch her. Or you'll just cheat on her.

Rogue should just live with the fact that she'll never be in a romantic relationship with a man, and accept that she'll always have plenty of just-friends there for her.

[Canemacar]

Rogue simply needs to be single. She not-so-figuratively sucks the life out of any character she gets paired up with.

[Manic]

Gambit used to be an awesome character. A decade of sneaking kisses on Rogue, and BAM he's crap.

[Canemacar]

Gambit used to be an awesome character. A decade of sneaking kisses on Rogue, and BAM he's crap.

Which is why the latest solicits have me :(

[UraniaChang]

Maybe Rogue should become a nun, or she could convert to Dust's religion, you don't see Dust too bothered by the idea of covering up, or not being able to kiss a guy.

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, but now she's dying lol :(

[javi1024]

im really enjoying this wolverine story. this newest issue was pretty awesome.

[squeekness]

I am curious what will happen to Ms sinister when all of this is done. Will she be a villianess for a long time? Will she have an affair with Gambit? Who knows! :D

[UraniaChang]

What? You think that guy hasn't had the worst fate when it comes to relationships already?

[Galact-Gal]

I'd like to think Gambit would have more sense than to screw around with a female version of Sinister. Of course, I thought Iceman had more sense than to screw around with Mystique :woot:.

[OutcryX]

sometimes animal nature takes over and common sense is abandoned...

[squeekness]

Gambit would take one look at theose pale white breasts and say, "Now dis more like it!" :D

[OutcryX]

yuk.

[Canemacar]

Carey gave an interview about his next storyline and the future of the book:

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/110825-Carey-XLegacy.html

Here's the funny part:

"I think I know what [Gambit]’s like and where he’s coming from so I think I can do the voice convincingly in terms of the attitudes that come through: the superficial jokiness and the very keen intelligence behind that."

[Canemacar]

Carey gave an interview about his next storyline and the future of the book:

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/110825-Carey-XLegacy.html

Here's the funny part:

"I think I know what [Gambit]’s like and where he’s coming from so I think I can do the voice convincingly in terms of the attitudes that come through: the superficial jokiness and the very keen intelligence behind that."

[Manic]

NRAMA: The Juggernaut had seemed to change his ways for a little bit—and then there was this regression recently when Marko had to reclaim the Crimson Gem of Cyttorak...

MC: I guess, for me, there are some characters who can be redeemed, can change, and then there are characters who can’t—I’ve always been most comfortable with Juggernaut when he was completely irreconcilable. The wellspring of his motivation has always centered on something very personal—this animosity he has for Professor X and what he has achieved. He is psychologically what he is physically – unstoppable, obsessed, and totally focused.

GOD DAMNIT, CAREY! :cmad:

[javi1024]

^im just curious what this new direction is going to be after the Xavier focus is over.

[squeekness]

Carey gave an interview about his next storyline and the future of the book:

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/110825-Carey-XLegacy.html

Here's the funny part:

"I think I know what [Gambit]’s like and where he’s coming from so I think I can do the voice convincingly in terms of the attitudes that come through: the superficial jokiness and the very keen intelligence behind that."He gets Gambit.. sorta. I mean, if you compare him to Milligan. *shudders*


I agree with that other poster about Juggs, too. I liked him better when he was a semi-good guy who had Sammy the fish boy following him around. :(

[OutcryX]

perhaps Juggernaut will stay semi-good...he just can't reconcile with Charles...fully..even though they already did....That was one thing Austen (or was it Casey?) did right....the turning of Juggernaut...it actually added depth to his character...especially when he found out he was getting weaker because of his refusal to be bad.

[Manic]

It was Austen.

The really stupid part about Juggernaut being unable to reconcile with Charles is that Juggs pledged his loyalty to Cytorrak again so he'd have the strength to protect Charles from the Hulk. He's a good guy who made a deal with evil forces to protect his only family, and yet he's going to turn against the very family member he made the deal to protect. It's Anakin Skywalker all over again, except Juggernaut isn't a whiny prick.

[mightiest_mortal]

yay Juggies going to be bad again. I agree with Carey, He didnt get along with his brother when they were kids because he was a bit jealous of him, the idea that he could one day get over that and grow as a character and get on with his life is COMPLETELY ridiculous.


(...incase you cant tell im being sarcastic. I mean, Sseriously? hes going to revert back and start being bad again for such a pathetic reason? *sigh*)

[OutcryX]

it may be time for carey to move on from the x-books and by maybe i mean he shoulda been gone 6 months ago.

...unless he brings back maggot...once he does that though...he should go

[Havok83]

I HATED the fact that they made Juggernaut an X-man. That was like doing the same with Mystique and Sabretooth. The guy should have stayed a villian and I despised the fact that this decade has been about bringing so many former villians aboard. They really started to clean out the rogue's gallery

[Manic]

Juggernaut was always different from villains like Sabretooth and Mystique. Sabretooth and Mystique are straight-up psychotic. Juggernaut is the kind of guy who becomes a criminal because he can't think of any other way to live his life. As soon as he got over his "daddy loved you more" issues and realized that his dad was just an abusive dick, he wanted to join the X-Men because he was way past his grudge, and he didn't have anything better to do. Hell, even in that terrible Manifest Destiny short story, he only decided to become a bad guy again after talking it over with a bunch of random people in a bar.

When Carey makes Juggernaut a villain again, I want to see a reason a hell of a lot better than "You know that time we talked things over and reconciled? I'm unreconciling! I have issues again, and they're the exact same issues I got over last year!"

[UraniaChang]

I don't know, but bullies are usually very self-centered, that's not a trait one can get rid of easily, it's usually a huge part of what makes up the bully's personality, I always think if they wanted to have Juggernaut become a good guy they would have to give him a very strong and dramatic reason to back up the change, cause people usually don't change, not much without a very strong reason anyway imo.

[mightiest_mortal]

but bullies are usually very self-centered, that's not a trait one can get rid of easily, it's usually a huge part of what makes up the bully's personality

Spoken by a true person who got bullied :woot:
"Bullies" if you're going to categorise them are just the same as everyone else, but maybe with a few issues.

I highly doubt theres that high a percentage that still stick to their bullying ways after 20 years... let alone any that keep following round the people that they bully years and years later just to bully them a bit more.


IF you translate Juggernauts actions to the real world its actually quite mad. Imagine if your childhood bully kept coming to your house 40 years later and shouting "im gonna Smash you" through the gates of your driveway. It just doesnt happen, people grow up and move on. (well most do anyway)

[Colossal Spoons]

I just want Juggs back to full strength. Good or bad makes no difference to me

[Canemacar]

IF you translate Juggernauts actions to the real world its actually quite mad. Imagine if your childhood bully kept coming to your house 40 years later and shouting "im gonna Smash you" through the gates of your driveway. It just doesnt happen, people grow up and move on. (well most do anyway)

I would have a twelve gauge surprise waiting for them.

[Manic]

I don't know, but bullies are usually very self-centered, that's not a trait one can get rid of easily, it's usually a huge part of what makes up the bully's personality, I always think if they wanted to have Juggernaut become a good guy they would have to give him a very strong and dramatic reason to back up the change, cause people usually don't change, not much without a very strong reason anyway imo.
I'm with mightiest_mortal on this one. Juggernaut was Charlie's bully back when they were kids and teenagers. They're just about 80 years old by now (continuity hasn't "slid" for them yet, meaning they still fought in the Korean War, which makes them in their late-70s to 80s). Plus, they've resolved all of the reasons Cain resented Charles all of those years. There was pretty much a comic where they cried and hugged it out.

"I always hated you because my dad loved you more, and he beat me all the time!"
"He used to beat me, too!"
"Yeah, but you could've used your mental powers to stop him!"
"I didn't because... I thought I deserved it."
"I love you, Chuck."
"I love you, Cain. Let's never fight again."
*hugs*

Then the flowers bloomed, the birds sang, and a freaking rainbow filled the horizon! :cmad:

[UraniaChang]

That's a scene totally gives me shudders.

Too sappy for the both of them, to put it mildly.

I still perfer Juggernaut to be a villain (Though his story in X-Men: Unlimited was good), at least he didn't give me goose bumps then. But I admit making him become a good guy then making him reverted to his old self is a very bad writing.

[usagicassidy]

I never liked Juggernaut as a villain, especially because his powers weren't rooted in the 'mutant' mythology. I liked him when Austen wrote him (don't shoot me). I liked him with Sammy. I liked that whole arc.

[Havok83]

I never liked Juggernaut as a villain, especially because his powers weren't rooted in the 'mutant' mythology. I liked him when Austen wrote him (don't shoot me). I liked him with Sammy. I liked that whole arc.
oh god, I hated Sammy. Best thing that was done about him was that he was killed off. He was just one of a few horrible characters created by Austen which Im glad were quickly written out by the time he left

[Manic]

Sammy was the only decent new character from Austen's run. Word cannot express how much I hate Nurse Annie and Carter.

[squeekness]

I liked both Sammy and nurse carter, lol. Probablybecause I liked her with Alex. Then he went and chose psycho girl (Polaris) instead. :(

[Havok83]

Annie was the absolute worse. Talk about a complete and utter bore. Such a useless character. I wish Lorna had succeeded in killing her off

[squeekness]

:waa: :p

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

God I loved Austen's run.

[Havok83]

God I loved Austen's run.
I dont think Ive ever heard anyone say that before

[Canemacar]

Sarcasm perhaps?

[UraniaChang]

Wasn't nurse Annie a comic reflection of his wife?

Or so I heard.

[Canemacar]

Wasn't nurse Annie a comic reflection of his wife?Or so I heard.

Yes, just as Havok became a comic reflection of himself. That explains why he suddenly dumped Polaris and dated Annie for no reason.

[mightiest_mortal]

Well from the preview of the next issue thats up at CC, looks like Juggernauts characterisation has gone crashing back to 20 years ago.


Grr Anrgry Juggernaut Smash!




....FFS

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X-Men: Legacy #219 will arrive in stores on Dec. 17 from Marvel Comics. The issue is written by Mike Carey, with art by Phil Briones and a cover by Mike McKone.

Here's how Marvel describes the issue:

"Professor Xavier finds himself face-to-face with his half-brother -- The Unstoppable Juggernaut! But is Juggernaut friend or foe?"

X-Men: Legacy #219 will be 32 pages and will cost $2.99.

[Specter313]

Professor Charles Xavier’s near fatal shooting in “X-Men” #207 had a profound effect both on the character and on the title. The Marvel Comics mainstay kept its numbering, but was transformed from “X-Men” to “X-Men: Legacy,” and in its pages writer Mike Carey and regular series penciller Scott Eaton began chronicling the now amnesiac X-Men founder’s quest for the memories a bullet robbed him of.

It’s almost a year later, and with Xavier’s quest coming to an end, CBR News spoke with Mike Carey about the series’ previous arc “Original Sin,” the upcoming standalone issue, and “Salvage,” Xavier’s final movement, which kicks off in January “X-Men: Legacy” #220.

“Original Sin” was a five part cross-over between “Wolverine: Origins” and “X-Men: Legacy” that came to a conclusion in “Wolverine: Origins” #30, in stores now. In the story, it was revealed that Professor Xavier was responsible for the memory loss that defined the majority of Wolverine’s appearances throughout the years, as part of an effort to free Logan from the control of the sinister masters who’d trained him as an assassin. The arc ended with Wolverine walking away from Xavier and giving his former mentor something unexpected -- forgiveness.

“Charles went into this arc largely focused on a sense of his own guilt and inadequacy. He saw Wolverine as one of the many people he’d failed over the years,” Carey told CBR News. “But the events of ‘Original Sin’ show that what happened was more complicated than that, and the part Xavier played in Wolverine’s personal history and development was perhaps more positive than Xavier realized.

“I think in a way this is a turning point in Charles’s attempt to understand his own past motivations and actions in ‘Legacy,’ which is basically what the book has been about. To some extent he’s realizing as Emma Frost said in ‘Walkthrough [the arc before “Original Sin], 'You can spend all your time hand wringing about your own purity but in some cases the end does justify the means. And sometimes you have to look at the overall outcomes that you've achieved and let yourself off the hook.’ Which is not to say that the moral dimension of things disappears, because it doesn't, but very few things that you do in life have a universally good or bad outcome.”

Xavier's most positive interactions in “Legacy” have been with X-Men who already understand and appreciate the lesson about viewing things in shades of gray; characters like Gambit and Wolverine. “Gambit, for example, has terrible things on his own conscience and has spent a lot of his adult life searching for redemption in much the same way Xavier is now,” Carey explained. “So that would make it very easy for him to identify with what Professor X is going through. Wolverine in some ways is the ultimate pragmatist; a man with a very strict moral code but also a man who when it comes down to it does what needs to be done and doesn't second-guess himself. So again, coming from that angle, it's very easy for him to understand and sympathize with Xavier.”

“X-Men: Legacy” #219, in stores December 17, takes place shortly after the end of “Original Sin” and features Charles’s interactions with someone with whom he has a much thornier relationship, his stepbrother Cain Marko -- The Juggernaut. “I like to think of their relationship as sort of a Cain and Abel story; two very, very different personalities competing for the same objective, which is initially the recognition and approval of the father,” Carey said. “Then of course they share the trauma of the abuse, both physical and psychological, that Kurt Marko handed out to them. So there's the Cain and Abel dynamic, but they're also bound by the sense that they’re both survivors of the same trauma.”

In recent years, Juggernaut has appeared to reform and let go of his hatred of his stepbrother. He's gone from Charles's enemy to his ally, and even served as a member of heroic groups like the X-Men and Excalibur, which is something that Carey isn't sure ever suited the character. “I think there have been some very, very cool stories based on characters who were previously villains coming into the X-Men fold,” he said. “The most obvious example is Rogue. But I wasn't a big fan of Juggernaut as an X-Man because I like the character as somebody who's outside of the big tent. He's driven by motives which can't be changed because they are so intensely personal and subjective. His hatred, resentment and mistrust of Charles are not rational. They're these crazy things hardwired into his consciousness. He is terribly damaged, which I don't think makes him any less scary.

“The Juggernaut also seemed to be a little de-aged when he was a good guy. He was emotionally vulnerable and naive in some ways. It wasn't the Juggernaut I knew and feared as a kid. That Juggernaut was always a truly scary and imposing bad guy. I'd like him to be – as he used to be – psychologically an unstoppable force in the same way that he's physically an unstoppable force.

“I guess the initial impetus for my story is Professor X wanting to know where he and Cain now stand. After the Hulk's attack Juggernaut walked out of the mansion and went off in a very grim mood. So what is the situation now between the two of them? That’s what he’s come to find out. And he gets his answer in no uncertain terms.”

Much of Xavier and the Juggernaut's interaction in “Legacy” #219 takes place in the form of a conversation in a bar. “When it's put like that it sounds like a very static story, but it emphatically isn't,” Carey remarked. “A lot of it is Charles and Cain talking in this bar where Professor X has come specifically to find Cain and have some things out with him, but than it spins off in an unexpected direction and goes quite far afield.”

Series artist Scott Eaton is taking a break with issue #219 and returns with issue #220. Tapped to fill in and depict the confrontation between Professor X and the Juggernaut was Phil Briones. “He brings a style with a very clean line. I think a lot of the emotional power of the first half of the story depends on the body language and the interplay between the characters,” Carey said. “That’s where Scott has delivered in spades in the last few arcs, but I think Briones also states the core characters very effectively and very clearly, so that their opposition has force and credibility.”

On sale January 21, “Legacy” #220 kicks off “Salvage,” a five-part tale that Mike Carey has wanted to tell since “Legacy” began. In the story, Professor X travels to the Australian Outback in search of another one of his former X-Men, Rogue. “Professor X knows roughly where Rogue is because she's left a trail behind her – a trail of memories in other people’s minds,” Carey explained. “Since he knows where she is, he suspects he knows why. You don't go into the Australian Outback if you want visitors. So he knows that she's not necessarily going to be pleased to see him; that she might need persuading in order to engage with him. So he goes to Gambit, because if she's going to trust and allow anyone to get in close to her it will be Gambit. And Gambit is not an easy sell on this because when Rogue left him as the end of 'Messiah CompleX' she said, 'If you still love me don't follow me.' Gambit tells Xavier that he has to assume that's still in force; that she doesn't want to be disturbed.”

The title “Salvage” has many different thematic connotations in Carey's story. “It refers to at least three different things,” the writer said. “There is obviously the moral sense of being salvaged and redeemed. There is a physical sense in that objects being reclaimed and put to a new use are said to be salvaged. And there is actually a character who is a salvage man, who collects and reclaims old stuff. I won't say any more about him. He's a new character.”

Said salvage man is just one of the many new and familiar faces that make up the cast of “Salvage.” “Besides Rogue and Gambit, there's at least one other character of long standing who Xavier is not expecting to meet in Australia but does meet. There are some new characters as well,” Carey stated. “This older character is the main adversary for the story and the agenda the character has is directly opposed to Professor X's agenda. The new characters, by contrast, are wild cards. They come in from nowhere and try to do something different and in the process cause a lot of chaos and confusion. Things get out of control very quickly.”

Part of the reason Carey wanted to tell a “Legacy” story involving Rogue was that it allowed him to continue the journey he started to take the character on when he began writing “X-Men” in 2006. “In some ways, this arc is picking up plot threads that were loose because I unstitched them in the first place about a year and a half ago. So there's a logic to that,” the writer remarked. “But the more compelling logic behind telling Rogue's story in this arc of 'Legacy' is that ‘Legacy' is about Charles Xavier paying his debts. As we know, he made this promise to Rogue way back when she first joined the X-Men that if she towed the line, kept her wilder impulses in check and became a productive member of the team, he would respond by helping her deal with her powers.

“We also know, from a flashback scene that we glimpsed in ‘Walkthrough,’ that when he made that promise he had no idea as to whether or not he could keep it.” Carey continued. “He made it purely and simply in order to stop Rogue from going back to the Brotherhood and Mystique and into a course of life that he saw was profoundly damaging her. So he lied with the best intentions. It was a white lie but it was still a lie. As with Wolverine, and to a certain extent Cain, this is Professor X trying to pay old dues; to put himself right with people he feels he has an obligation to.”

“Salvage” is the final large arc of Charles Xavier's story in “X-Men: Legacy,” and Mike Carey promises that when the book comes to a close, Professor X will have completed his journey and be in a very different place than when he started. “There is a sense that your attempt to understand yourself never does end except when you die, but yes, he will have to come a decisive point,” Carey said. “He will have reached certain conclusions about himself and the role he has to play now as events unfold. But as far as 'Legacy' is concerned, he ceases to be on the center stage.”

Xavier's journey may be coming to an end, but that doesn't mean “X-Men: Legacy” is. “It stops being Professor X's book after 'Salvage,' but it's not going to go back to being the adjectiveless X-Men title,” Carey confirmed. “It's going to be a different book with a different kind of dynamic. And although it's not something that's never been done before in the X-Men universe, I think it's a really sidelong and unexpected take on an established formula. I hope people won’t see it coming, and I hope they’ll enjoy the ride.”

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=19145

[Canemacar]

Carey isn't as good at characterization as he likes to think himself.

[Colossal Spoons]

Haha, I love Juggernaut! It's very weird to see him 100% evil again though, I thought it'd seem more natural.


"Charles, Noooooooooooooooooooo"

[The Englishman]

I wonder what direction the book is going to take once it as concluded Xaviers story??

[UraniaChang]

I get quite confused with all the Xavier 'soul searching' in the title.

What exactly has he found anything helpful to put together his missing pieces of his previous memory, by talking to everyone who's even been (a large) part of his life?

That would be a looooooong list and time until it works, not to mention those he can't talk to, such as Moira.

[javi1024]

I wonder what direction the book is going to take once it as concluded Xaviers story??
whatever it is Carey already said it's not going to be the usual Blue Team/ Gold Team set-up its usually been.

[Colossal Spoons]

I wonder what direction the book is going to take once it as concluded Xaviers story??

Here's hoping it becomes the B-class X-Men book to free up some space in Uncanny

[Manic]

*sigh*

I wonder if Carey even acknowledges the fact that Juggernaut only decided to become bad again so he'd get enough strength back to save Chuck's life.

[Colossal Spoons]

Shhh

[Manic]

Right. I forgot that we're not allowed to question Mike Carey's horrible mischaracterizations. Nobody bring up Juggernaut or Iceman/Mystique. Carey has the same special immunity card that stops us all from criticizing Kyle/Yost or Brubaker for how they write James Proudstar.

[OutcryX]

carey's fan-fic-ish roots are blaringly obvious now. i still liked his adjectiveless run though, if only that he had a team of x-men consisting of rogue, cannonball, iceman, mystique, cable, sabretooth, lady mastermind and sentinel girl...awesome

[Manic]

"fan-fic-ish" sounds dead-on. Reformed villains behaving villainously for no explained reason, characters with no prior history suddenly shacking up, Charles Xavier not being able to instantly boot Emma out of his mind. It's just like going to an X-Men fansite and cruising the fan fiction pages. Soon he'll write a slash issue where Wolverine and Cyclops finally hook up. It's fun to talk about in jest, but horrible to see as canon.

He does get mega bonus points for using Karima and Cannonball, though.

[UraniaChang]

Soon he'll write a slash issue where Wolverine and Cyclops finally hook up. It's fun to talk about in jest, but horrible to see as canon.



At least that would make a fantastic issue of 'What-If', and I'm totally going to buy 10 copies, but Carey must give me a happily-ever-after ending for my OTP.

[Canemacar]

His Gambit is something i'd expect to see in the fan-fic of a rogue fan who blames her decline on him entirely: he's shallow, moronic, incompetant, obnoxious, and perfectly subservient to Rogue. Here's the kicker: he brags in interviews about how good he thinks his handling of the character is.

[Manic]

I think the bubble has finally burst. We'll finally allowed to say what we don't like about Carey's writing, now that the initial "better than Milligan" phase is over.

[Canemacar]

I know what you mean. a year ago if your said something bad about Carey, they'd sent the Spanish Inquisition after you.

[Manic]

Haha! No one ever suspects the Spanish Inquisition!



Sorry, couldn't help myself.

[UraniaChang]

His Gambit is something i'd expect to see in the fan-fic of a rogue fan who blames her decline on him entirely: he's shallow, moronic, incompetant, obnoxious, and perfectly subservient to Rogue. Here's the kicker: he brags in interviews about how good he thinks his handling of the character is.

Well, he needs a foil for his drama queen, who else in the male group would put up with Rogue without kicking and protesting?
So you only have Gambit, or Iceman for the job. But the latter already has his hands full with her mother.
Heroes must sacrifice first. :oldrazz:

[Canemacar]

I knew i should have edited in dire warnings about expecting or unsuspecting. :csad:

Well, he needs a foil for his drama queen, who else in the male group would put up with Rogue without kicking and protesting?
So you only have Gambit, or Iceman for the job. But the latter already has his hands full with her mother.
Heroes must sacrifice first.

Don't I know it. The Rogue arc hasn't even started and he's already spoken about how Gambit's just a plot device to get Xavier closer to Rogue and how Gambit refuses to disobey Rogue's order not to follow her. :whatever:

[UraniaChang]

Thought he said before that he wasn't going to make Gambit into a plot device?

And what's the point of getting Xavier closer to Rogue? Unless he plans to let Xavier break the truth to her - ''Sorry, hon, but it's your psychological problem all along that prevents you from controlling your ability. Seeing you're not likely to get over it in the near future, here's my advice, go convert to Islam, and you can ask Dust to educate you on the finer points of covering up to your nose. As for you, Gambit, go get you a real woman, for God's sake.''

[Canemacar]

Thought he said before that he wasn't going to make Gambit into a plot device?'

He also said he writes gambit as someone with a "keen intelligence"....

[mightiest_mortal]

So Juggernaut really is back to the one dimensional bit part character he used to be...
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The thing is with him as a villain, he was actually a RUBBISH X-Men villain. He was good the first time, then after that they just keep knocking his helmet off or pushing him over each time and yet he keeps coming back again and again. It was just kind of embarrassing. At least as a Hulk villain they could keep punching eachother.


Juggernaut has been good for FIVE YEARS NOW! FIVE YEARS of trying to redeem himself, of doing good, of helping the X-Men, of saving lives, of trying to grow and move on, and there is NO attempt at even trying to write a story to make him go bad. Hes just like "im going to be bad again now! Im the juggernaut *****! im going to kill people for no reason whatsoever now! Yeah im cool"

Then in the next story theyl just take his helmet off or push him over again *sigh*. Ive liked some of Careys work on the title before it was legacy, but this is just pretty insultingly stupid.

[Colossal Spoons]

^Hahaha

His first official act as a villain should be to repay the Wrecking Crew for beatin him up when he first switched sides :o

[Manic]

Congratulations, Juggernaut. You get to join Magneto's Club of X-Villains Who Turned Good But Inexplicably Turned Bad Again. Tell Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch I said "wassup."

[Colossal Spoons]

Wanda and Pietro are back to being good though lol

[Manic]

They still get to keep their membership cards, though.

Anyway, I know that Wanda turned herself into a simple villager on a mountain, but when did Pietro turn good again?

[Colossal Spoons]

The X-Factor 1-shot when he got his real powers back lol

[Manic]

It's been so long since I read that. I'll have to dig it up.

[javi1024]

The X-Factor 1-shot when he got his real powers back lol
how long ago was that. i didnt know he got his powers back.

[Colossal Spoons]

July 2008 :up:

[Jake Cassidy]

Quicksilver should be in the X-Men by now, dammit. And since I'm on the subject, so should Firestar. It's taken far too long.

[Colossal Spoons]

I don't want Firestar anywhere near my X-Men until Magma comes back full time :mad::(

[UraniaChang]

Wanda and Pietro are back to being good though lol


Don't count on it for being long, especially with the Marvel style of ''flip-out pattern''.

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm sure they'll be evil soon too lol

[roach]

I'm sure they'll be evil soon too lol

someone will let slip to Wanda that she wiped out more than half of mutant kind and she'll go nutty psycho

[UraniaChang]

And don't forget about her poor husband.

[ragingdemon155]

Meh could care less about the Juggernaut/Xavier issue.

I pretty much lost interest in the character once Marvel made him join the X-men. I'm just waiting for the Rogue/Gambit reunion of sorts.

[Specter313]

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X-MEN: LEGACY #222
Written by MIKE CAREY
Penciled by SCOT EATON
Cover by LEE BERMEJO
King Variant by TBA
“Salvage”
Rogue’s past comes back to haunt not only her, but Professor X and Gambit. The horrors of the past are brought here by a mysterious villain who has a beef with the X-Men that they plan on settling here and now. You may not believe it, but the villain CAN win. Part 3 (of 5)
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

[UraniaChang]

Obviously Gambit took some time to get himself a tan, though I'm never sure what skin color any Cajun should have, never met one in my life.

[Havok83]

Wow, Im kind of late. I didnt realize that the current arc in Legacy is an actual crossover that currently going on with Wolverine Origins. Figures why I was a bit confused. Shows how much I really dont care for the title. Nice trick Marvel to try and get readers to go and get that other book.

[OutcryX]

soooo. ready for this book to go back to a team format...and for carey to move on.

[Colossal Spoons]

Meeeeee too

[Manic]

I was loving this book's focus on Xavier, but between Original Sin, the bastardization of Juggernaut, and Puddy-Whipped Gambit, I think I'm ready for Carey to move on as well.

[Colossal Spoons]

I liked Carey when he was writing Rogue's team. Hell, he gave us the Children of the Vault and a bat-s**t crazy Sabretooth. But I don't give a rat's left ass about this Xavier soul-searching crap.

[The Englishman]

Come back team book, hopefully with Iceman on it...:oldrazz:

[squeekness]

Nice cover. :D But then I am just a wee bit biased.... :p

[Manic]

Lately, I've been waiting for Iceman to at least join Uncanny X-Men's massive rotating cast, but current continuity has him still on his way to San Francisco. Thanks, Carey. :cmad:

[OutcryX]

isnt he like running from mystique still or something...because she poses THAT much of a threat to him....

[Havok83]

soooo. ready for this book to go back to a team format...and for carey to move on.
IA. An Xavier solo does not make for an interesting read. He's a character that doesnt work as a lead, at least not on an ongoing series

[Manic]

isnt he like running from mystique still or something...because she poses THAT much of a threat to him....
He's not really running from Mystique. He's on his way to San Francisco, and Mystique is following him. Iceman's story in Manifest Destiny started with him and Mystique (disguised as Opal) on their way to San Francisco so Beast could examine him.

[usagicassidy]

But I mean really? Opal? How long's it been since they've even talked? What, he thought everything was just peachy keen when she probably randomly showed up at his doorstep?

[chris moore]

The idea of this book is to go back to team format at some point right?

[Havok83]

The idea of this book is to go back to team format at some point right?
who knows. It was supposed to after a year but that has passed and previews going into early spring still show Legacy in its current format

[UraniaChang]

He's not really running from Mystique. He's on his way to San Francisco, and Mystique is following him. Iceman's story in Manifest Destiny started with him and Mystique (disguised as Opal) on their way to San Francisco so Beast could examine him.

This is one hell of a looooooooong trip, and Mystique is probably more scary than any highway killer.

So, poor Bobby.

[Manic]

But I mean really? Opal? How long's it been since they've even talked? What, he thought everything was just peachy keen when she probably randomly showed up at his doorstep?
Apparently Bobby and "Opal" bumped into each other at a party, went back to somebody's apartment, and got reacquainted. Between the sheets.

The real mystery is how Bobby managed to talk to her the morning after without realizing something was up.

[The Englishman]

So Bobby has Banged Mystique twice now.......:up:
Is Manifest Destiny still going on??

[OutcryX]

i wonder if she gave him another STD while she was Opal....he should really invest in some condoms

[Galact-Gal]

Lately, I've been waiting for Iceman to at least join Uncanny X-Men's massive rotating cast, but current continuity has him still on his way to San Francisco. Thanks, Carey. :cmad:


And even though Hank was expecting him, when Bobby didn't show up, no X-Men came looking for him! :o

[The Englishman]

And even though Hank was expecting him, when Bobby didn't show up, no X-Men came looking for him! :o
So, Cyclops does not even care about Havok in space and hes his brother...:o

[mightiest_mortal]

Not had the chance to grab the issue yet.
So is Jugs offically evil now then?

[UraniaChang]

Havok is an adult, an adult can't choose breaking rank when it suits him/her or because it sounds Hollywood-styled cool, and expect his/her big brother, or other responsible family members come to the rescue when his/her ass turns out to be the one that gets kicked.

And I've had enough with Havok's inferiority complex, and this space adventure is a perfect opportunity for him to outgrow it. Scott coming to save him will only intensifies that complex. Not to mention he stands at an obvious disadventage that he might feel guilty where Vulcan's concerned, after all, he (and the rest of the team) is the reason Vulcan's team died in the first place.

[Specter313]

So Bobby has Banged Mystique twice now.......:up:
Is Manifest Destiny still going on??

It's kinda hard to tell where everything is falling with some of these stories. I think the Bobby/Mystique thing falls between the time the X-Men first moved to San Fran and the stuff that's been happening recently in Uncanny.

[Manic]

Well, after the debacle that was #219, I am officially dropping this book until a new writer takes over.

[ragingdemon155]

IA. An Xavier solo does not make for an interesting read. He's a character that doesnt work as a lead, at least not on an ongoing series

I agree.

However, Legacy has been pretty good from the start. It's kept me interested. The way Carey has handled Xavier in the series has made it enjoyable to me.

On to issue 219. I liked it. It's good to see Juggs being evil again, cause thats the way his character works best. But honestly, Xavier goes on and on about reforming and being a new person....but he's still going around mind raping any and everyone.:whatever:

[Manic]

It's good to see Juggs being evil again, cause thats the way his character works best.
I dare you to tell me a good reason why Juggernaut wants to kill Professor X.

[ragingdemon155]

I dare you to tell me a good reason why Juggernaut wants to kill Professor X.

Has Juggs ever had a good reason to want to kill Prof X? I was always thought it was petty, because Xavier never really had anything against him the first place. That's how his character works best to me though.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

For the first time I was disappointed with carey. Not a bad written issue, but I liked Juggs good.

[Manic]

Has Juggs ever had a good reason to want to kill Prof X? I was always thought it was petty, because Xavier never really had anything against him the first place. That's how his character works best to me though.
But that's exactly why he has no reason to be a villain. Every villain needs a motivation. Magneto took his desire to prevent a Mutant Holocaust too far. Apocalypse takes Darwinism too seriously and wants only the strongest of all people to survive in a harsh world under his control. Mystique is a classic sociopath who doesn't care how many people she hurts in order to achieve her goals (even if it's the survival of mutants, or finding her foster daughter a new boyfriend).

Juggernauts reasons for being a villain are so petty (he got tired of people telling him to be nice), it makes it look like he has the mental maturity of a 5 year old. He's 80 years old.

[OutcryX]

Juggernaut needs to be good again.

[ragingdemon155]

But that's exactly why he has no reason to be a villain. Every villain needs a motivation. Magneto took his desire to prevent a Mutant Holocaust too far. Apocalypse takes Darwinism too seriously and wants only the strongest of all people to survive in a harsh world under his control. Mystique is a classic sociopath who doesn't care how many people she hurts in order to achieve her goals (even if it's the survival of mutants, or finding her foster daughter a new boyfriend).

Juggernauts reasons for being a villain are so petty (he got tired of people telling him to be nice), it makes it look like he has the mental maturity of a 5 year old. He's 80 years old.

Listen I agree completely with what your saying. Great villains need that motivation for what they're doing. I don't feel that Juggernaut is that great of a character in the first place. I disliked him even more when he was a "good" guy. It just seemed so completely out of left field when it happened. The reasons behind him being a "villain" and hating Xavier.... are petty and childish, but that's how I've always viewed the character.

[OutcryX]

except for the fact, whether you view him as petty and childish or not, is that Cain Marko DID address his issues with Charles and GREW out and away from them as a character. he renounced his bad guyish way and wanted to be a force for good. It was pretty damn remarkable characterization and gave depth to a 1 dimensional character. That is canon and fact. For Carey to completely ignore years of character building just because he wanted to write a good ol' fashion Juggs/Charles beat down is lazy and irresponsible writing.

[UraniaChang]

While other writers are pulling out long-forgotten characters Carey chooses long-forgotten history instead...Maybe Juggernaut hasn't come long from his villain life, but still, bouncing a character from bad to good and to bad for no reasonable reasons is irresponsible and lazy writing.

[Manic]

The thing is, Mike Carey does a good job with good guys, but apparently has no clue how to write bad guys. Just look at his Mystique in Manifest Destiny, and try to tell me why exactly she's suddenly obsessed with Iceman. You can't, right? That's because Carey loves to see villains act villainous for villainy's sake, and doesn't think they need any other reason or motivation.

If I'm right, that's going to come back and bite Carey in the ass as he tries to write more villains in his upcoming stories.

[sniktsnakt]

I liked Juggy good better myself. There was too much character development on that pathway to just chuck him back as a bad guy for no good reason.

[squeekness]

I liked Juggernaut with Sammy the Fish Boy. I was so bummed when they killed the little kid off. :( It was nice to see Cain gruff but at the same time somewhat playful. It made him seem more three dimensional. I liked that better than a dumb brute.

[sniktsnakt]

I liked Juggernaut with Sammy the Fish Boy. I was so bummed when they killed the little kid off. :( It was nice to see Cain gruff but at the same time somewhat playful. It made him seem more three dimensional. I liked that better than a dumb brute.

Seriously, I think that was one of the saddest moments in comics since Mariko died, or back when Gambit and Rogue got stabbed stopping that alien invasion or whatever (makes a mental note to re-read and review that arc). :*(

lol. Well, you know.

[squeekness]

I know. When it happened I kept reading that page over and over thinking, "They didn't seriously kill him off, did they?" Figures they would after they told us enough about him to get so attached. :(

[Havok83]

I loved when they killed of Sammy. Couldnt stand that kid

[Jake Cassidy]

I wanted Juggs to stay an X-Man, as well. A book with him, Xavier, Rogue, Gambit and Karima would be awesome, imo. :)

[Manic]

To tell the truth, that's exactly what I was hoping would happen. I was thinkg Xavier's journeys would cause him to inadvertently assemble his own X-team, consisting of himself, Juggernaut, Rogue, Gambit, and maybe Karima (since she's not really doing anything right now).

[cerealkiller182]

That sounds like a better idea to me. Right now X-Men LEgacy just reads like Wolverine Origins.

[The Englishman]

To tell the truth, that's exactly what I was hoping would happen. I was thinkg Xavier's journeys would cause him to inadvertently assemble his own X-team, consisting of himself, Juggernaut, Rogue, Gambit, and maybe Karima (since she's not really doing anything right now).
Throw Iceman in the mix and im there....:woot:

[UraniaChang]

Why would Iceman want to hang with a bunch of second-class (at best)?

[Manic]

That's damn-near the exact same team Iceman was with prior to Messiah CompleX.

[UraniaChang]

And it's not like it did him any good.

[The Englishman]

I just want Iceman back because he's my favorite X-Man.....

[Havok83]

Carey seemed to be the only writer that really gave a damn about Iceman since the late 90s. I loved what he was doing with him, but then he threw Mystique into the equation and I have no idea what he was thinking with this

[Colossal Spoons]

^I forget who was writing at the time(back when the X-Men went to to China to fight the Collective Men); it was probably Austen. But he had Iceman thrown into a lake and Bobby used all the water to turn himself into a giant version of himself. That was pretty badass.

[roach]

Iceman is badass but he is kept in the childish jerk loop that any advancement he makes gets wiped away to return him to his original personality

[Havok83]

^I forget who was writing at the time(back when the X-Men went to to China to fight the Collective Men); it was probably Austen. But he had Iceman thrown into a lake and Bobby used all the water to turn himself into a giant version of himself. That was pretty badass.
Iceman has potential to be the most powerful X-man but they never let him realize any of his potential. Under different writers, he has exhibited the ability to do quite a few amazing things.

-He can draw upon the moisture in the air to add to his own mass, thus augmenting his size and strength

- He can recreate his body from nearby water. This gives him a certain level of immortality, bc as long as his head is still in tact, he can recover from having his body shattered while in ice form.

- He can instantly kill someone by absorbing the liquid in their own bodies and adding it to his own.

- He can exist in all 3 major forms of matter, ice, liquid and gas

- In liquid form, he can zip across large bodies of water

- In gas form, he exists as steam and thats heat, the opposite end of the temperature scale that he usually controls. Technically this can also give him limited phasing abilities as things can just pass through him like this.

- He can knock someone out by putting them in a cryo sleep

- He can create ice creatures and animate them by freezing and unfreezing their molecules in rhythm. If trained properly and with practice, he could have a small ice army to help him in battles


Theres definetly more but these are skills that he has aquired over the years that tend to be forgotten and/or never followed up on. Imagine if they had him remember that he could do all of this and didnt limit him to just freezing and creating ice slides. The guy could be unstoppable

[OutcryX]

he doesnt even need his head intact to put himself back together

[Havok83]

he doesnt even need his head intact to put himself back together
you're right. that makes him all the more powerful

[UraniaChang]

The problem is that it's very hard to keep the 'more powerful' going to the convnient 'OMG I"M THE ALMIGHTY ONE', and the fans' supersized ego.

[Colossal Spoons]

Hahaha, I remember Havok or Cyclops peeing Bobby his body back during the Draco arc

[Galact-Gal]

It was Havok. And I don't think he actually did it; I think he just threatened to.

[ProfeZZor X]

The problem is that it's very hard to keep the 'more powerful' going to the convnient 'OMG I"M THE ALMIGHTY ONE', and the fans' supersized ego.

That's easy... Give him a "Wolverine complex"... Have him do a little soul searching and learn more about his powers and self-worth as a superhero. Then put him on the Avengers team and give him more challenges with even greater foes or crisis situations. For that matter, put him in severely difficult situations whereby he questions his responsibility with such great powers, or morality... After all, you give a creative and passionate writer the opportunity to write a powerful hero, and put him/her in a problematic situation that affects their own personal morals or humanity, I guarantee it'll put Marvel back on the map.

If you get fans to think beyond the conventional way superhero comics are typically written, then you open the door to a plethora of ideas that can change the way superheroes (especially overly-powerful ones) are written.

[Jake Cassidy]

I think that Iceman can be the most powerful and dangerous mutant on the planet. He can, potentionally, freeze all the water in the world and create a new ice age. Lucky he's a good guy. :woot:

[Manic]

In X-Men: First Class (which may or may not be in continuity), Thor told Iceman that the frost giant Ymir might have once been a human who became too corrupted by his elemental power. He warned Bobby not to let the same happen to him, or he might have to return to defeat Iceman himself.

[squeekness]

In X-Men: First Class (which may or may not be in continuity), Thor told Iceman that the frost giant Ymir might have once been a human who became too corrupted by his elemental power. He warned Bobby not to let the same happen to him, or he might have to return to defeat Iceman himself.Wow, that was pretty cool if it was in continuity. :) I like that idea.

[The Englishman]

Iceman would take him down....:cwink:

[squeekness]

I was thinking more of what if Bobby ran into a Frost giant, what they might have to say to one another, not that Thor and Bobby might fight. :)

[Specter313]

Writer Mike Carey seems to be a big believer in “the journey.” When he first began writing “X-Men: Legacy,” he started Professor X on a long expedition to reclaim his lost memories. And presently, the writer has Rogue going on a journey of her own after having her abilities and her very life renewed at the end of “Messiah CompleX.”


Where will these journeys end? What will we learn about the characters along the way? It sounds like it’s time for X-POSITION to step in and help you get some answers. In between his work writing “X-Men: Manifest Destiny” and “X-Men: Legacy,” Mike Carey kindly answered your emails. What did he say? Let’s find out…


CBR: Our first missive comes from Daniel Bowen and concerns the “Original Sin” storyline taking place in “X-Men: Legacy” and “Wolverine: Origins.”

What made you (and the X-writing team) decide to drastically change Wolverine’s role in joining the X-Men?

Mike Carey: I’m not sure that we ever really saw it in those terms, Daniel. It was more that there was a gap in what we knew about Wolverine’s motives, and we decided to use that gap as the springboard for our story. We didn’t see any contradiction between the story we were setting out here and the canonical version of Wolverine’s induction into the X-Men. Okay, it means that there was another side to some of the scenes we did see, but in a lot of ways we were just bringing the origin story into line with more recent revelations about Romulus and the part he played in Wolverine’s past.

Next up, Faded sent in a few more questions about “X-Men: Legacy” and that journey thing we mentioned earlier…

1) What’s your take on Charles’ role in the life of the former Acolyte named Scanner? While he was willing to help Rogue on her road to redemption, he didn’t take Scanner’s plea for a better life. Is there a chance her character could be revisited, perhaps even after “Legacy” has ended?

It’s always possible, Faded. Scanner is someone who Professor X might already have visited, in between the events of the “Legacy” arcs. We haven’t seen every moment of his journey, or every interaction he has along the way that falls under the heading of “unfinished business.” The parallel with Rogue is an interesting one. Of course, Professor X no longer leads the X-Men, and in any case Scanner no longer has her powers, so the most obvious way of making restitution to her – if Professor X felt that it was due – simply isn’t available any more. But it’s true that he refused to help her turn her life around in the way that he helped Rogue. There’s certainly an untold story there, begging to be written.

2) Will the title that follows after “X-Men: Legacy” still revolve around one character?

Yes. But with a very full and rich supporting cast!

3) How heavily will the stories and characters from your run on the adjectiveless “X-Men” play into the climax of Rogue’s current journey?

This is the pay-off we always had in mind, so in that sense it’s the last act of a story we started two years ago. We’ve got there by a different route though, and some of the beats are different as a result. Given the way the X-books continue to grow and change, any extended story arc is like a journey across a landscape that’s moving under your feet. And really, though it gets complicated, I think that’s part of the pleasure of being part of a family of books. Neil Gaiman refers somewhere to characters who seem to have a life when they’re off-panel or off-page. The X-Men have that life in a very direct and obvious sense, since they’re always going to be part of other people’s stories as well as your own. You’re weaving a thread through an n-dimensional loom.

So yeah, this resolves the predicament we began to place Rogue in way back in the “Primary Infection” arc. But it’s not going to have Pandemic or Hecatomb showing up, except perhaps in flashback. It’s just that they set these events in motion.

The next question comes from Jeremy:

What role will Mystique play after “Manifest Destiny” is over and she’s done toying around with Iceman? Will the X-Men confront her anytime soon?

Yes. Expect Mystique to show up in one of the core books in 2009, Jeremy – and expect the confrontation to be both spectacular and painful.

As long as we’re on the topic of Mystique and pain, Soulkiller had a few questions.

1) In a recent Marvel.com interview, you said that Rogue was “kind of fragile” – can you expand on that any further? Is Rogue’s ability to see Mystique as though she were actually there beside her a new aspect of her powers, is she going insane (refer back to your “kind of fragile” comment), or is this just the desert sun getting to her?

Hi, Soulkiller. I meant that she’s hurting and vulnerable. The last time we saw her in “Messiah CompleX,” the messiah child had erased all the old personalities and accreted memories from her mind, leaving her alone in her own head for the first time since she was a teenager. But before she even had time to take stock and realize that had happened, she touched Mystique – a prolonged and deliberate contact, intended to kill her. By the time she saw the truth, she had absorbed a lot of Mystique’s memories – undoing that miraculous cure at a stroke.

You can’t compare where she is now to where she was before, assailed by the memories of billions of dead souls, but still, it’s a terrible thing for her to have lost that peace of mind in the instant that she got it – and to now have to share her mind with Mystique, of all people.

The way I’ve done her conversations with Mystique is meant to suggest the same sort of contact that she had with Carol Danvers back in the day – as though there’s a fully realized Mystique persona in her mind, reacting and speaking as Mystique herself would. It’s not insanity – it’s a by-product of Rogue’s powers, but a very unwelcome one, and one that could well push her to a psychological crisis.

2) And can you tell me what happened to all the psyches that were freed from Rogue’s mind? Especially the 8 billion souls she absorbed? Were they released to their version of Heaven? Did the psyches of the folks who are still alive get back what Rogue stole from them?

We’re never going to get an answer to that question. In a way, though, it’s a question of terminology. What the Hecatomb absorbed, and what Rogue then unwillingly downloaded, was a set of memories and personality imprints. That’s not the same thing as the souls of the Heptarchy dead.

As for the human minds that Rogue had “borrowed” from, my guess is that the memories that were taken from her mind were actually erased, not repatriated. The original owners probably won’t be getting them back. That’s only a guess though; the messiah child’s powers haven’t been fully revealed yet.

3) Any chance Carol (a.k.a. Ms. Marvel) might be looking for Rogue in the near future to settle the score? In a recent issue of her series, her Mom seemed very upset that Rogue never had to pay for what she did to Carol and her family…

My take on this is that it’s too far in the past now for Carol to feel any urgency about getting even. She’s also probably aware that Rogue came out of those events almost as badly as she did. I honestly can’t see her coming after Rogue with a view to getting revenge.

So Much Betta wrote in about Rogue as well and asked about the past – a time when they felt Rogue’s powers were “so much betta.”

I’m a very huge Rogue fan, and have followed her many incarnations since the 1990s X-Men cartoon premiered. However, the thing about her that has been most inconsistent for me is the handling of her powers. More than most, her powers have been manipulated beyond reprieve, and after all these years she’s yet to gain and keep control of her abilities. Are there any plans to return Rogue to her “original” Ms. Marvel powers (strength and flight amongst other things), quite easily what she is known for most?

You’d have to be more specific about the inconsistencies you’re referring to, SMB. Rogue’s powers have certainly been through many different phases and aspects, but that’s something you could say about a lot of the core X-Men cast. If I’m honest, yeah, I miss the Ms. Marvel powers too – a lot of my favorite Rogue moments and stories date from when she still had them. But I wouldn’t dream of reinstating them unless there was a way that it could play convincingly into the demands of a specific story. You’ll notice that’s not an outright “no,” but currently there are no plans. The events of “Salvage,” though, will leave Rogue in a different place from where we find her at the start in a lot of very significant ways.

Hm. It appears Mythogma is curious if a certain someone might be joining Rogue in this “different place” at the end of her journey.

I really like “X-Men: Legacy,” especially Gambit’s interactions in the book. I understand the next appearance for the Cajun will be in the Rogue arc designed to finish off your Rogue plots from the last year or two. I was wondering if we are going to get anymore insight into Gambit’s state of mind during his time working with Mystique? Also, will the crafty Cajun be sticking around after his confrontation with Rogue? And has your opinion on Gambit changed since you began writing him?

Thanks, Mythogma. I’m glad you’re enjoying the book. Yeah, Gambit will be playing a major role in “Salvage,” and he will be having some face-to-face interaction with Rogue. I haven’t written those episodes yet, so I can’t be specific about exactly what they’ll discuss, but it’s more than possible that Gambit will refer back to his time as a Marauder.

Have my opinions on Gambit changed? To an extent, yeah. I definitely feel like I know him a lot better, having written him in a number of different situations. And I like his quirky, paradoxical sense of honor a lot more than I used to. He’s a lot of fun to write, especially opposite a dry and cerebral character like Professor X.

As Carey enjoys writing Gambit so much, let’s hope he has an answer for this next question from Rogelio Erandio.

Can you give us news about ‘Gambit: Origin’ and when it might publish?

Sorry, Rogelio, I can’t. It will probably be announced some time in spring, though.

Today’s final email comes from Karen S. She’s fond of the Rogue/Gambit relationship, but wants to make sure they don’t Rachel/Ross it up (please excuse the gratuitous “Friends” reference).

I’ve been an avid fan of the Rogue/Gambit situation for years now, and while I find every situation highly entertaining and I continue to read every minute of it, the couple does always seem to keep falling back into the same patterns. Do you think there will ever be a time that the two can have a definitive stance on their relationship? If only because I have waited for the day where Rogue takes full control of her abilities without losing them completely (such as “X-Treme X-Men”) and she can have the relationship with Gambit we’ve all been waiting so very patiently for – you know, maybe something that can even tie into what happens in “X-Men: The End.” (wink wink)

I know what you mean about repeated beats, Karen. I don’t like any relationship when it becomes a default option, so – while recognizing both the chemistry and the history between Rogue and Gambit – I’m not planning to sweep away recent events and bring them back together in a sort of lightning reconciliation. Gambit tried to kill Rogue at the close of Peter Milligan’s run on “X-Men,” and although he was under the influence of Apocalypse’s machines at the time – and although he’s tried to atone since by bringing her out of Sinister’s clutches alive and healed from her coma – that’s not something that can simply be forgiven and forgotten.

To be blunt, I think the mutual attraction is still there, but there’s a psychological barrier now that complicates things almost as much as the physical barrier presented by Rogue’s powers. So I’m not planning to go back to the status quo, but I’m also not planning to contrive a consummation for Rogue and Remy (whether it’s like the depowered one in X-Treme or otherwise) in the short term. But we will see a reconciliation of sorts. They don’t come out of “Salvage” as enemies, or anything like.


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[Colossal Spoons]

That. Is. How. You. Draw. Colossus!

Look at his pecs and deltoids. I feel inspired. If I didn't just get back from the gym, I'd go right now :up::up:

[Manic]

He royally pissed me off with Juggernaut, and the art has taken a slight turn for the worse.

Yeah, I'm done with this one.