Official X-MEN: LEGACY Discussion Thread

[Havok83]

That's probably the problem. The girls of Marvel in the relationship hardly qualifie as 'cooler', they just expect to be 'loved', 'cuddled' and 'worshiped' by their male lover. Not just them, but their fans as well. (Maybe it's because female characters tend to attract female fans as a majority)

If I were a man I would stay the hell away from them. That's why I found my self loving Semma more than Jott right now.

But at least, Jean had some ''good wife'' moments in the Jott relationship, especially the time Scott and her spent in the future raising Nathan.

Rogue? Not so much. Cause the basic attraction of Rogue's character is that she is tragic in her way, not bing able to be intimate with most guys, I doubt any writer would give her control over her mutation any time soon.
for me Scott and Jean actually brought out good in each other. The genuinly made each other happy and most of the problems they had were from outside factors, and not themselves. Rogue and Gambit are just toxic and bring out the worst in each other. Most of their problems are bc of themselves and they fight over dumb things and fail to move on and progress with their relationship

[OutcryX]

Uhm, no....

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/squeekness/Gambit/gambitlaidlil.jpg

...i dunno. i think Manic still has a point. i mean he was fighting it a lil too hard before he 'gave in'.

[squeekness]

He was with Rogue at the time and had only a small window to go steal something at an opportune time. He got caught because of this little indescretion if I remember correctly at the time. :)

[GambitXremy]

Gamibts still a ladies man in my books Stop Hating people

[squeekness]

I think he's an opportunist and won't turn it down if it comes his way, especially if he is on the rocks with Rogue like he is now. They have long had issues to work out and I can easily see him taking his frustrations elsewhere.

[Canemacar]

Gambit is gay and Rogue is his beard. The reason he keeps running back to her is because he can't find another attractive woman who will date him that he doesn't have to touch.

There. Mystery solved.

We all know who the real love of his life is:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/30665/641133-bishop__16__super.jpg

[katie_girl09]

He was with Rogue at the time and had only a small window to go steal something at an opportune time. He got caught because of this little indescretion if I remember correctly at the time. :)
I think he got caught because Jessup enabled the cameras again. And I'm pretty sure that he and Rogue were getting along just fine at the time.

[GambitXremy]

thats a really sexy pic of bishop with a mullet HAHAHA

[squeekness]

We all know who the real love of his life is:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/30665/641133-bishop__16__super.jpgI was thinking he'd be better paired with Wolverine myself. :p Oh the fanfics I have read....

[OutcryX]

though it was never ever hinted at(dunno if they ever even met) i always thought Bishop and C. Reyes woulda been good together....but Bishop and Deathbird was always interesting too

[Manic]

If Bishop had stolen Cecelia from Hank, it would've been on. And Hank doesn't shoot lasers for Bishop to absorb.

[OutcryX]

Bishop doesnt need his powers in order to be formidable. he is a freakin warrior cop from a post apocalyptic future(because really, is there any other kind?)....he can throw hands if need be.

[Havok83]

though it was never ever hinted at(dunno if they ever even met) i always thought Bishop and C. Reyes woulda been good together....but Bishop and Deathbird was always interesting too
Not on panel. Cecila Reyes joined while Bishop was lost in space. He didnt return till Maximum Security, and she was already off the team by then.

I always thought Cecilia would have been interesting with either Hank or Bobby. Thats one triangle I could have gone for, bc she worked with both men

[Manic]

Hank has upper class super strength and agility. You don't do fisticuffs with that unless you've got special physical attributes of your own.

And a jheri-mullet just doesn't cut it.

[OutcryX]

only reason i could see bishop and C. Reyes working is because they were both so dedicated to what they did. So uptight. So together i could see them as the ultimate in tight-assed couples..or as going absolutely ape**** for each other and having wild dirty sex.
Did Bishop and Sage ever sex? i think if not, then u have his reason for going crazy...almost 20 years without being laid can do that to a man.

[OutcryX]

Hank has upper class super strength and agility. You don't do fisticuffs with that unless you've got special physical attributes of your own.

And a jheri-mullet just doesn't cut it.

Hank hasnt been useful in a fight in 10 years. Bishop could easily take him. I think that once he became vincent form that old beauty and the beast tv show(shout out to ron pearlman) he lost all fighting ability

[Manic]

If Bishop and Sage never had sex, then somebody isn't in to the opposite sex. Those two were always together, going on missions, going to the beach.

[OutcryX]

dude. i can so totally buy Sage as being lesbian..it writes itself

[Havok83]

If Bishop and Sage never had sex, then somebody isn't in to the opposite sex. Those two were always together, going on missions, going to the beach.
I dont think they were ever a couple. Was it ever hinted at? I think it was more fan's wishing it bc they were scene together alot

[OutcryX]

and there you have it. Bishop has a SERIOUS case of blue balls. (i just don't see him as a m-bater)..hence he has started hallucinating and thinks a baby ended his world. it. makes. perfect. sense.

[Manic]

Hank hasnt been useful in a fight in 10 years. Bishop could easily take him. I think that once he became vincent form that old beauty and the beast tv show(shout out to ron pearlman) he lost all fighting ability
These days, Hank gets pretty scary in a fight when he has one of his feral moments. It was one of the things I loved about the way Whedon wrote him. When Logan got Hank angry enough, they went at it like a couple of wolves. When they were fighting Danger and the Wild Sentinel on Genosha, Hank let himself go, and went total balls-to-the-walls insane on Danger-- something she couldn't begin to defend herself against.

People like to play up Hank's intellect these days, but he's still pretty awesome in a fight if the writer wants him to be.

[OutcryX]

do u have scans of beast vs. wolverine? its been a fantasy of mine since forever.

[Havok83]

do u have scans of beast vs. wolverine? its been a fantasy of mine since forever.
I believe he's referring to this great scene from Torn

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/4730/wolverinevsbeast.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinevsbeast.jpg)

[Manic]

That scene was particularly funny, but I'm talking about the fight during "Gifted." Give me a while to dust off the old scanner.

[Havok83]

That scene was particularly funny, but I'm talking about the fight during "Gifted." Give me a while to dust off the old scanner.
hmmm, I dont remember that one. Will have to go back and check it out

[squeekness]

LOL, didn't Hank actually eat part of Logan's leg during that? :p

[Manic]

Yep. It grew back, and Logan doesn't hold any grudges. Hank also warned Abgail Brand that he now has a taste for human flesh.

Anyway, it took a lot of plugging, unplugging, and strange maneuvering, but I've managed to scan the fight between Hank and Logan. Not an easy feat with my scanner and a hardcover edition of the comic.

http://www.numutant.net/rambles/hanklogan1.jpg

http://www.numutant.net/rambles/hanklogan2.jpg

http://www.numutant.net/rambles/hanklogan3.jpg

http://www.numutant.net/rambles/hanklogan4.jpg

Emma then ended the fight while Hank's hand was around Logan's neck and a split second before Logan shoved a claw through Hank's eye, but with Hank's new healing factor, who knows how that would've ended.

[Manic]

Just for fun, here's Hank taking on Danger and going a little berserk...

http://www.numutant.net/rambles/hankdanger1.jpg

http://www.numutant.net/rambles/hankdanger2.jpg

http://www.numutant.net/rambles/hankdanger3.jpg

http://www.numutant.net/rambles/hankdanger4.jpg

[UraniaChang]

If Bishop had stolen Cecelia from Hank, it would've been on. And Hank doesn't shoot lasers for Bishop to absorb.


Bishop is hardly the romantic type, his whole mind has set on how to avoid the dreadful future he came from.

[OutcryX]

damn. Beast was particularly bad arsed in those scenes..but besides those two...when else has he been cool?

[Havok83]

damn. Beast was particularly bad arsed in those scenes..but besides those two...when else has he been cool?
Not much since Morrison thought it would be a good idea to turn him into a big blue cat. I really wish someone would come and do a "Psylocke" on him like Fraction recently did with her

[OutcryX]

yeah. didnt think so

[squeekness]

Yep. It grew back, and Logan doesn't hold any grudges. Hank also warned Abgail Brand that he now has a taste for human flesh.

Anyway, it took a lot of plugging, unplugging, and strange maneuvering, but I've managed to scan the fight between Hank and Logan. Not an easy feat with my scanner and a hardcover edition of the comic.

http://www.numutant.net/rambles/hanklogan1.jpg

http://www.numutant.net/rambles/hanklogan2.jpg

http://www.numutant.net/rambles/hanklogan3.jpg

http://www.numutant.net/rambles/hanklogan4.jpg

Emma then ended the fight while Hank's hand was around Logan's neck and a split second before Logan shoved a claw through Hank's eye, but with Hank's new healing factor, who knows how that would've ended.I forgot about that. That was awesome, thanks. :D

Just for fun, here's Hank taking on Danger and going a little berserk...

http://www.numutant.net/rambles/hankdanger1.jpg

http://www.numutant.net/rambles/hankdanger2.jpg

http://www.numutant.net/rambles/hankdanger3.jpg

http://www.numutant.net/rambles/hankdanger4.jpg
Thanks for this as well. :D

[katie_girl09]

dude. i can so totally buy Sage as being lesbian..it writes itself
Really? I don't. I always kinda saw her as having a crush on Gambit. But that's just me. And I kinda want her to get with Bishop too.

[OutcryX]

nah. Sage likes the ladies

[Havok83]

I think Sage is asexual

[insane polaris]

Ive always wanted her to get with Bishop. (or Gambit)
Shes probably bi though.
All those years at the Hellfire Club, who knows what kind of situations Sebastian got her into. Im talking multiple participants haha.

[Canemacar]

I can def see her liking the ladies, but with an exception here or there(Bishop).

[squeekness]

I never got the vibe that Sage had a thing for Gambit, like ever. :p

[GambitXremy]

in x-treme

[katie_girl09]

Yeah, in X-treme X-men. And when she jump starts his powers/sight/whatever, she always has to kiss him or try to seduce him or something.

[GambitXremy]

Ys sage called gambit her brave worrior or something

[squeekness]

That's not the same as her wanting to bed him. Besides it was done so cheesy like and unexpectedly. As I recall, she didn't even ask him if he wanted it done.

[GambitXremy]

hey every one wants Remy in Bed HAHAHA jk

[BoredGuy]

CBR's new X-men solicits leave me with a deep sense of dread for the characters involved in this book.

[Specter313]

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3089/158xmenlegacy226.jpg

X-MEN: LEGACY #226
Written by MIKE CAREY
Penciled by DUSTIN WEAVER
Cover by TERRY DODSON
UTOPIA TIE-IN
Rogue, Gambit and Danger go to join the X-Men in San Francisco, only to find it in flames. The Dark Avengers have come into town and are taking no prisoners. Wait, the whole problem is that they ARE taking prisoners. Norman Osborn has the city of San Francisco in the palm of his hands and mutants are being forced to take sides. Will they side with Cyclops and the X-Men? Or go to Osborn and his Dark X-Men? What side will the returning mutants and one of the X-Men’s most powerful foes take? Part 1 (of 2).
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

[OutcryX]

danger is joining the X-Men? well..that is actually cool

[Manic]

Well, it's not like she can kill them, and I'm assuming Charles finally makes up for enslaving her by saving her from... whoever the current villain is.

[OutcryX]

so emma frost, namor, mimic, cloak and dagger, xavier and whoever that other guy is can take out Cyclop's entire 'army'? well..i guess so. not like rouge and gamibt can be much help...or danger..well maybe

[squeekness]

so emma frost, namor, mimic, cloak and dagger, xavier and whoever that other guy is can take out Cyclop's entire 'army'? well..i guess so. not like rouge and gamibt can be much help...or danger..well maybeDo we know these people? :p

[OutcryX]

sorry. freakin laptop and its tiny keys.

ROGUE and GAMBIT squeekness

now watch your back and proofread everything. im gunning for you. ;)

[squeekness]

sorry. freakin laptop and its tiny keys.

ROGUE and GAMBIT squeekness

now watch your back and proofread everything. im gunning for you. ;)I'm a sloppy typist and often screw up, I just thought that one was too badly mangled not to poke fun at. :p

[OutcryX]

no make niceies will save you now Squeekness, oh i am coming for you. lol

[ChaoticPsylocke]

so they are gonna be back in san fran?

i think it could be a sure thing that legacy is def ending then.

[OutcryX]

well..with Xavier now a part of the dark x-men...lets hope so

[katie_girl09]

That's not the same as her wanting to bed him. Besides it was done so cheesy like and unexpectedly. As I recall, she didn't even ask him if he wanted it done.
Well yeah. But even if its just thrown in I think you could make a case for her liking Gambit. Just like you could make a case for Jean Grey thinking he's hot. :cwink:

[UraniaChang]

so emma frost, namor, mimic, cloak and dagger, xavier and whoever that other guy is can take out Cyclop's entire 'army'? well..i guess so. not like rouge and gamibt can be much help...or danger..well maybe


Oh! New characters? :woot: :oldrazz:

[GambitXremy]

Dark beast is apart of it to

[OutcryX]

Oh! New characters? :woot: :oldrazz:
funny. i already am after squeeks...now u r on the list

[Manic]

It's amazing. X-fans turn into a collective of typo-hating pedants the moment they see "Rouge" instead of "Rogue."

[squeekness]

Well it does make a difference. :p

[OutcryX]

not really. especially since people know who is being referred to. but whatever

[UraniaChang]

Actually "Rouge" is a fairly common typo, and I think I like it better than the original one.

It's probably the only typo which is an actual word in itself.

[squeekness]

I need to go dig it out but there was an actual panel of X-men where she complains about folks getting her name wrong. :p

[javi1024]

Actually "Rouge" is a fairly common typo, and I think I like it better than the original one.

It's probably the only typo which is an actual word in itself.
how about "from" and "form". :cwink:

[UraniaChang]

I meant the codename-wise.

"Form" or "From" as a codename is just silly. :oldrazz:

[GambitXremy]

i hope magento returns in this crossover

[Canemacar]

Actually "Rouge" is a fairly common typo, and I think I like it better than the original one.

It's probably the only typo which is an actual word in itself.

Armor=protective covering

Armour= furniture

[UraniaChang]

Being "Furniture" is lame! :oldrazz:

And "Rouge" doesn't even need extra letters! :woot:

[Havok83]

i hope magento returns in this crossover
speaking of which, has Magneto appeared at all in Legacy? I think one of the biggest mistakes Marvel made following deciMation was NOT exploring the Magneto/Xavier dynamic. For the first and only time, 2 most prominent leaders from opposite ends of the mutant rights issue were both human. I cant beleive they didnt bring them together in a book or at least a one shot. That has got to be the biggest missed opportunity. And of course now Xavier is a mutant again and Magneto kinda sort of has powers and is a villian. What a waste

[GambitXremy]

the first arc of legacy magneto was in it... and theres been flashbacks here and there

[Havok83]

the first arc of legacy magneto was in it... and theres been flashbacks here and there
Oh yeah I remember Magneto in the beginning. Too bad they still missed it when both were depowered at the same time

[GambitXremy]

well in legacy they kinda taked about how they both were. magneto depowered and xavier like almost died it was good

[OutcryX]

magneto, exodus, sentinel-girl...ALL in the first issues of legacy...and all forgotten about just as quickly

[Havok83]

magneto, exodus, sentinel-girl...ALL in the first issues of legacy...and all forgotten about just as quickly
The first arc was the best part of the series for me. I liked the Acolytes as a supporting cast

[GambitXremy]

i think in 2 months the acolytes are back in legacy

[Psykoelf]

the first arc of legacy magneto was in it... and theres been flashbacks here and there

I may have the title wrong, but wasn't it in Legacy recently that the High Evolution restored Magneto to his full glory or was that another of those midnight cheese binge dreams I sometimes have?

[squeekness]

I may have the title wrong, but wasn't it in Legacy recently that the High Evolution restored Magneto to his full glory or was that another of those midnight cheese binge dreams I sometimes have?It did just happen, but I can't recall if it was here or in Uncanny. :(

[GambitXremy]

Uncanny

[Canemacar]

magneto, exodus, sentinel-girl...ALL in the first issues of legacy...and all forgotten about just as quickly

carey really needs to drop this "one character" business and get back to writing stories about a cast of people. Watching great characters tossed aside the moment the main character gets bored of them is really lame.

[Psykoelf]

It did just happen, but I can't recall if it was here or in Uncanny. :(

Uncanny

Thanks, it wasn't the Camembert.

Curious, wonder if Beasts team will be making contact again with the High Evolutionary following this?

[Specter313]

Mike Carey’s journey into Charles Xavier’s mindscape has been quite the tumultuous journey—but of course, exploring the mind of one of the most powerful mutants in the Marvel Universe is never easy. But as the solicitation for X-Men Legacy #225 reveals, Xavier parts ways with the book and a transition starts which will lead to a cast-change for the book. Fans don’t have to worry—Carey will still be helming the title. The cover to July’s issue features Gambit, Rogue, and Danger, with #226 and #227 acting as a bridge for the upcoming status quo change for the title.

Charles Xavier’s past isn’t all that Carey is exploring either. In June, Marvel releases a new one-shot, X-Men Origins: Gambit, which teams Carey with artist David Yardin. The story covers an expanse of time in the Ragin’ Cajun’s life from his marriage to Bella Donna Boudreaux to his time spent with the Marauders up until the moment he initially met Storm in the pages of Uncanny X-Men #266.

Newsarama sat down with Mike Carey to discuss the future of the X-Men Legacy and his absolute take on the life and times of the founder of Marvel’s X-Men.

Newsarama: Things are coming to a close for Xavier’s run on X-Men Legacy in #225; do you think that Charles’ journey, this stage of growth for the character, is complete?

Mike Carey: Complete in the sense—in two senses really—in one sense he is now able to build up a picture of his past; all the holes in his memories, resulting from Bishop’s bullet to his head and Exodus’ rather drastic cure, have been filled. He knows he was and he knows who he is. Also, in the other sense, I think he’s come to a decision now regarding where is he going and what is he going to do next—which is not simply to repeat the mistakes of the past—to go back to the start—so his redemptive journey reaches a conclusion in #225.

NRAMA: So, how has Xavier changed? He’s grown—he’s looked back at the breadth of his life and experiences with the X-Men; how is this insight going to affect ‘the dream’ he started out with versus the ‘the dream’ he has today?

MC: I think one of the things we’ve seen happening is that he, quite simply, went out to make amends, to pay his debts, and put right the things he had done wrong over the years. He’s had to accept that some things just cannot be amended—that some actions remain too complicated and/ or ambiguous to be conveniently labeled sins or virtues; some bad things have good outcomes and vice versa. He feels like he’s paid some of his debts from his past—but he’s also reclaimed his past. He is in a position now where he can look at the totality of what he has done and who he has been and now he can say, “Okay, that’s me.”

He gives a speech in #225 where he basically says, “It’s time to stop living in the past,” and that he indicates that it is time to move forward; and, at the same time, that’s not a flipped comment—he’s not saying, “I’m off the hook now.” He’s just reached a point now—where you can’t tinker with your own past actions, you can’t spend the whole of your life endlessly finessing your past decisions. You have to make an impact on the present.

NRAMA: That’s an interesting character to have coming to that revelation—considering that Exodus is several hundred years old...

MC: (laughs) Yes, indeed. And therefore, you’d think he would be the one doling out the sermons. There are things that happen in #225 which sort of push Exodus in a new direction as well.

NRAMA: In the past, the character’s debut was very villainous—he was a very ominous villain; but, via the Age of Apocalypse, readers were given a different way to look at his character—someone was able to reach out to him, show him the error of his ways, and put him on the right path...is Charles going to be the one to break-through to Exodus?

MC: Charles will certainly be giving him things to think about—important things to think about. In fact, that’s one of the reasons why Charles goes back and seeks out the Acolytes—and, because in the overall structure of the story, it’s very satisfying to have Charles return to the point where his odyssey began. There are a number of very important character beats, relationship beats, in this issue—Professor X and Exodus; Professor X and Amelia Voght—there are some pay-offs here to a number of things we’ve set up when “adjective-less” became Legacy.

NRAMA: The teaser image has been out for several weeks now—and there seems to be a bald guy allying himself with a new group, including Namor, Cloak and Dagger...

MC: Are you talking about the Dark X-Men?

NRAMA: (laughs) Yes, are you working on the title?

MC: Tangentially—because you can see from the cover of #226—I have some of my core characters turning up in the middle of those events; so this is the place where Legacy becomes a continuity book again. Inevitably, yes, there are things going on in Dark Reign and Dark X-Men is going to be referenced here.

NRAMA: Who is writing Dark X-Men?

MC: I don’t think it’s been announced yet—so I can’t say—but it’s somebody very exciting actually; and I was talking to him last week about what his plans are. They’re very cool.

NRAMA: Okay, let’s talk about post-Xavier Legacy; with the cover of #226 sporting Gambit, Rogue, and Danger—are readers getting a first look at the new cast of the series? Are there going to be other characters in focus?

MC: They’re certainly the core characters for #226 and #227; which is a 2-part story currently called, “Suppressing Fire”. This is the transition period between Professor X-centered legacy and the new legacy—so this introduces the new concept. It’s not going to be a team book. The rationale for the new version of Legacy will continue to be centered on a single character—but they will be centered around a very interesting, very satisfying supporting cast of characters who will come in on a regular basis.

NRAMA: A singular character? Or an interchanging solo focus?

MC: No—a steady solo focus. And the logic of the next focus will be played out during #226 and #227—at the end of the story, you’ll finally see where we’re going and why.

NRAMA: Will there be thematic changes or will Legacy still be a book looks at various times and aspects of X-related past continuity?

MC: No, it’s also a change in thematic focus as well—we’re not going to be exploring the X-Men’s past in the same way; in fact, if anything, we’re sort of aggressively focusing on the present and the near-er future without any kind of time travel. (laughs)

NRAMA: Does this “aggressive focus on the present” begin any sort of build-up toward an X-Office event this summer or later this year?

MC: You mean something that will feed across all the other titles?

NRAMA: Right. Are the X-books building towards a significant event this year? Or is this year going to be an individually focused, event-less year?

MC: There is going to be a gathering of momentum towards another event; yes. If you think Messiah Complex as being the first act of a three-act drama and Messiah War as being the second act—the climax, the culmination of that is coming and the stories that we’re telling are going to come to a head and it’s going to tie into all the major books—the ramifications of this event are huge and are going to be felt across the entire X-verse, so to speak.

NRAMA: How dire are things going to be getting for Children of the Atom?

MC: It will be pretty bad—in some ways, this event will recall a previous crisis very closely but with a devastating new twist.

NRAMA: Changing gears, let’s discuss X-Men Origins: Gambit; you’re working with David Yardin on the book—how excited were you to be offered this opportunity to explore Gambit’s past?

MC: It was very, very cool to be offered it because—obviously— of using Gambit in Legacy as I have been; I’ve been looking at lot at his past, I’ve been examining a lot of my favorite moments in his story and, because of the way Gambit was introduced, his story was fed to the audience in bite-sized pieces. At first, there was the big mystery of who the character was and where he was from...

NRAMA: There’s still a lot of that.

MC: Oh yes! There are still a number of unanswered questions; the biggest unanswered questions are not going to be answered in our origin story because they are things that would have a bearing on the future or the past. There are some things that Sinister has said to him that are not going to be explained here.

So what I’ve done here is I’ve pieced together several beats—from Gambit being a thief in New Orleans to being an X-Man—so we start on the day of his marriage to Bella Donna Boudreaux and we finish with his meeting with Storm...

NRAMA: In Uncanny X-Men #266...

MC: Correct and we draw a through-line through these events and connect them together.

NRAMA: What is it about Remy LeBeau, as a character, that makes him so prolific?

MC: Well, I think that “thieves with honor” or “rogues with honor” are fascinating characters—they’re easy to love. There’s a long tradition of villain-heroes in that sense—of thief heroes—or even assassin heroes.

I love his background; I love all the business between the guilds in New Orleans and the internal politicking between the rivaling families. I really enjoyed reading Gambit’s story the first time around; the incredible revelation that he had been involved with the Marauders during the Mutant Massacre which rocked my world at the time when I was a reader—so there is this fascination, again, because he’s someone who has done this terrible, terrible sin in his past that has stayed on his conscience that still feels the need to atone for. I think his relationship with Rogue over the years has been very cool—and having said that, there have been times where their relationship has settled into too firm and fixed a mold, and it’s always been a strong aspect of their pairing that writers have changed things around and explored their relationship from a number of angles to keep things fresh. There’s an awful lot to like about this character really.

I like that he’s very different from the rest of the X-Men. Having said that, a lot of the characters in the X-Men books have become darker in the last 15-20 years and the status quo has changed quite a bit—but he’s a character that has stood out in the X-line up as having a different mindset and a different modus operandi even.

NRAMA: Do you think there is a tragic underpinning to the charming, energetic nature of this figure?

MC: Yeah, I think there is; I think he’s haunted. By his past, certainly; there is all sorts of emotional baggage that he’s lugging around with him relating to—most obviously—the mutant massacre, his failed marriage, and some of the events in his solo series. Tragic is a good term—it’s not overstated here like it is with other characters.

NRAMA: Would you want to explore his past further on down the road?

MC: I feel that this origin story is doing what I wanted to do. What I would like to do, I think, in the future, would be to flesh out some of the suggestions—some of things that have been hinted at in the past—but have never been fully revealed. We obviously don’t know who Gambit’s parents were and where he originally came from in terms of his literal origin. And then there are those things that Sinister knows about him which Miss Sinister may also know...possibly.

NRAMA: Is she going to be turning up in X-Men Origins: Gambit or in upcoming issues of Legacy?

MC: Not in the near future—but somewhere down the line she will be, yes.

NRAMA: Would you like to continue doing X-Men Origins projects?

MC: The Origins books are a blast to do—I had a really fun time do Beast’s book as well. There are still a number of mysteries to be expounded upon.

NRAMA: Does X-Men Origins: Gambit aid in segueing the transition going on in X-Men Legacy?

MC: No, not really. It’s just the beats in the story of how Gambit became the guy we know now.

NRAMA: Are there any plans for more X-Men Origins stories written by Mike Carey?

MC: At the moment, there’s nothing else on my card—but if I was offered the opportunity, I would definitely say ‘yes’. It’s a great opportunity to remind readers of some of the cooler aspects of the characters’ pasts and to have fun revisiting those past stories yourself—it’s very similar to Legacy but on a much larger scale.

NRAMA: Out of all the other guys handling X-books at the moment, if you could force someone to trade projects with you—who would it be? Why?

MC: Who would I steal from? Hmm, I’d have to say I’d steal Uncanny from Matt Fraction. (laughs) I’ve had a really good time on Legacy but there is a part of me that still misses doing an X-team book. Back when the book was “adjective-less”—that was sort of the best years of my life, I really enjoyed putting that team through their paces.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/040922-Carey-Legacy.html

[OutcryX]

****!!! Carey is not only still writing it...but it still isnt going to be a team book!??!?!?

[Charlie No-One]

I don't want really boring characters clogging up the title like it has been since Legacy started.

[ChaoticPsylocke]

yeah this is retarded! switch back!

who are they possibly going to focus on that isnt going to continually lower their sales? ya know like xavier did.

[javi1024]

at least theyre making this book stand out against Uncanny- unlike Astonishing. i dont agree with Legacy's direction, and id rather have a Blue team/ Gold team deal with the two books again, but at least i can look at Legacy at not say "didn't i already see these guys in the other book?".

[Brainiac 8]

Hmm...I know I can't be the only one to have really enjoyed a book finally focusing on Xavier, and actually doing it well.

I loved it and am sad to see it end Xavier's run.

[GambitXremy]

it was a great book but there is only so much you can do with Xavier for a long period of time. but there's already a bunch of team books so i don't see why people are crying about it.

Uncanny x-men
Astonishing x-men
Dark x-men - mike carey just talked about it.
x-factor
new mutants
x-force

[GambitXremy]

Thats not even counting the other x-books ethier
wolverine weapon X
Dark wolverine
Wolverine origins
Cable
ETC.........

[javi1024]

because only 'Astonishing' and 'Uncanny' are the only books about the actual X-MEN, and those two are essential about the same characters now. people wanna see it like back in the 90s- Cyclops, Wolverine, Beast, Rogue, etc. in one book, Storm, Emma, Colossus, Iceman, etc. in the other.

[OutcryX]

and Dark X-men is NOT its own book. where has that been confirmed?

[Canemacar]

because only 'Astonishing' and 'Uncanny' are the only books about the actual X-MEN, and those two are essential about the same characters now. people wanna see it like back in the 90s- Cyclops, Wolverine, Beast, Rogue, etc. in one book, Storm, Emma, Colossus, Iceman, etc. in the other.

Blue/gold years were truly the best. There was excitement, energy, humor, gravity, and the X-men actually spoke to each other and acted like a family.

[OutcryX]

and played baseball and basketball together and such

[javi1024]

and Dark X-men is NOT its own book. where has that been confirmed?
its not. as far was we all know its just the crossover story with dark avengers.

[javi1024]

Blue/gold years were truly the best. There was excitement, energy, humor, gravity, and the X-men actually spoke to each other and acted like a family.
yea even though im like Uncanny's fluid roster, eventually i would like to revert closer to the blue and gold style with Legacy back as a team book. not set-in-stone teams, but at least core players with people like Dazzler, Northstar, Karma, etc. making frequent appearances.

[Canemacar]

and played baseball and basketball together and such

And didn't have villains sleeping their way into leadership positions, no retconing entire character histories into a cover for their baby-killing plans, or enough wolverine clones to start a whole new team with.

[GambitXremy]

dark x-men is going to be a mini series with 3 chapters i think...
and i bet you there gonna make it into a monthly

[GambitXremy]

Mike Carey said in the interview thats its to early to announced who's going to be writing it

[Manic]

And didn't have villains sleeping their way into leadership positions
If you're talking about Emma, she hasn't been a villain in 15 years.

[Havok83]

because only 'Astonishing' and 'Uncanny' are the only books about the actual X-MEN, and those two are essential about the same characters now. people wanna see it like back in the 90s- Cyclops, Wolverine, Beast, Rogue, etc. in one book, Storm, Emma, Colossus, Iceman, etc. in the other.
Not to mention that Astonishing is plagued with constant delays, making Uncanny the only core X-men book released on a monthly basis. That book only focuses on about 6 different X-men. The rest just make brief cameos which are hardly even worth mentioning. Another team book would satisfy most people and thats what this title should be

[javi1024]

Blue/gold years were truly the best. There was excitement, energy, humor, gravity, and the X-men actually spoke to each other and acted like a family.
i just read UXM 303 where Illyana dies- holy crap! and one of my favorite issues was when they had Sabertooth at the school for rehab and no one could get near him. Jean walks in, breaks him down, basically calls him a giant p$#%!, and puts him in his place. i think Lodbell was my favorite writer on the book.

[Havok83]

i just read UXM 303 where Illyana dies- holy crap! and one of my favorite issues was when they had Sabertooth at the school for rehab and no one could get near him. Jean walks in, breaks him down, basically calls him a giant p$#%!, and puts him in his place. i think Lodbell was my favorite writer on the book.
LOL...Jean has a history of kicking his ass. Everytime they come face to face, she ends up taking him down

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/227/scan0007ail.jpg

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8598/scan0012czn.jpg

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8290/scan0009xyv.jpg
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/999/scan0010h.jpg

[javi1024]

what issue is that last scan from?

[Havok83]

what issue is that last scan from?
I beleive X-men Unlimited 35

[Psykoelf]

yea even though im like Uncanny's fluid roster, eventually i would like to revert closer to the blue and gold style with Legacy back as a team book. not set-in-stone teams, but at least core players with people like Dazzler, Northstar, Karma, etc. making frequent appearances.

I like that Northstar has made a comeback. Hopefully he won't be fully shunted to back like the last time he was in Uncanny. Does anyone know if Aurora will be joining him with the X-Men?

[squeekness]

LOL, I thought it was kind of funny when Logan apologized to Northstar for " killing you that one time." :p

[OutcryX]

Aurora is joining too right? even though she is just as loopy as Lorna AND Wanda

[Colossal Spoons]

Just read issue 223. God, I just can't bring myself to care about what's going on in the book. All the Rogue stuff is just confusing and boring. Is this the same Carey who wrote all the Hecatomb/Children of the Vault stuff? Cuz that guy was good :o

[GambitXremy]

every one needs to stop this mike carey hating... we know he kinda fell off the wagon for a bit but he'll turn it around just give it time

[squeekness]

I hope so BEFORE he does anything to ruin Gambit permanently. :(

[GambitXremy]

like a few months ago everyone was loving carey...its werid to see how the tide as change all of a sudden

[squeekness]

A lackluster story arc will do that. :p

[OutcryX]

nah...people were turning on Carey when she showed everybody his hard on, the one induced by his obsession of Rogue and her mom, Mystique...then when ended his surprisingly good run on X-Men in favor of a Charles Xavier book..guest starring Rogue!...oh and her pet...Gambit....THAT is when people realized that his one trick just may have already been played.

[Colossal Spoons]

A lackluster story arc will do that. :p

Yeah lol. It's not like I flipped a coin and decided he sucked this month. I just don't care about anything he's written about for the past year.

[katie_girl09]

LOL...Jean has a history of kicking his ass. Everytime they come face to face, she ends up taking him down

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/227/scan0007ail.jpg

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8598/scan0012czn.jpg

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8290/scan0009xyv.jpg
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/999/scan0010h.jpg

:hehe:
I didn't know she beat up Sabertooth that much! Betcha he likes it :p.
Oh, Jean. Please come back. You're so much more interesting than Emma. :(

[Colossal Spoons]

I wasn't even reading comics when Jean was alive and I will agree that she's more interesting than Emma :o

[katie_girl09]

Honestly, I don't think I'd dislike Emma as much if I didn't feel as though the writers at Marvel were trying to shove her down my throat...

[Havok83]

I wasn't even reading comics when Jean was alive and I will agree that she's more interesting than Emma :o
She is! Theres a reason why she's my favorite X-men character. I wish Marvel would stop teasing and bring her back already. And speaking of the 2 women. Here's some scans of Jean taking her on. To date, I think Jean is the only person to actually make Emma cry. I really wanted to see her do much worse to her

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/1024/jeanvsemma1.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jeanvsemma1.jpg)

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7162/jeanvsemma2.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jeanvsemma2.jpg)

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8250/jeanvsemma3.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jeanvsemma3.jpg)

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/4035/jeanvsemma4.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jeanvsemma4.jpg)

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7403/jeanvsemma5.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jeanvsemma5.jpg)

[OutcryX]

She is! Theres a reason why she's my favorite X-men character. I wish Marvel would stop teasing and bring her back already. And speaking of the 2 women. Here's some scans of Jean taking her on. To date, I think Jean is the only person to actually make Emma cry. I really wanted to see her do much worse to her

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/1024/jeanvsemma1.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jeanvsemma1.jpg)

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7162/jeanvsemma2.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jeanvsemma2.jpg)

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8250/jeanvsemma3.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jeanvsemma3.jpg)

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/4035/jeanvsemma4.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jeanvsemma4.jpg)

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7403/jeanvsemma5.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jeanvsemma5.jpg)

so claremont has ALWAYS been too damn wordy with his writing. oh so melodramatic....it explains why he left to go write novels...he is definitely a novelist at heart...just not a good one. he should write for a soap opera

[UraniaChang]

Romance Novel, especially femslash ones.

He would totally love writing those.

[Canemacar]

Thats what I thought the X-men of the 80's was.

[javi1024]

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7162/jeanvsemma2.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jeanvsemma2.jpg)

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8250/jeanvsemma3.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jeanvsemma3.jpg)

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/4035/jeanvsemma4.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jeanvsemma4.jpg)

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7403/jeanvsemma5.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jeanvsemma5.jpg)

New X-Men #139. possibly my favorite book in Morrison's entire run. :up:

[Manic]

so claremont has ALWAYS been too damn wordy with his writing. oh so melodramatic....it explains why he left to go write novels...he is definitely a novelist at heart...just not a good one. he should write for a soap opera
He couldn't do soap operas. No opportunity to to narrate, and I somehow doubt audiences would warm to his "I'm describing aloud what you can clearly see I'm doing" style of writing any more with live actors.

[mightiest_mortal]

Really not been too keen on the title since its Legacy rebrand.... but OMG, Carey actually explained the whole Danger issue without making Professor X seem like a total ****. Whedons "Prof X realised it was sentient but kept it locked in the Danger room because it worked better that way" was at best, serious character assasination. Now at least it makes some more sense. Considering the trend to make ProfX have more and more skeletons in his closet im glad to see someone undoing some.

[Manic]

How did Carey explain it?

[mightiest_mortal]

How did Carey explain it?

Basically he did try, but there was no way he could release her. Where her "life" was the result of random code coming together, there was no way to know what code was imprisoning her and what of it he could delete without damaging her and effectively killing her.

He even consulted the Shi'Ar technicians and they just laughed it off and said it was impossible for it to achieve sentience.

He couldn't risk damaging her "life" so had to just leave her in there until he could find the means to actually free her without any risk of damaging her.

[Brainiac 8]

Yea, Carey explained it and really showed that some of the things Xavier has been accused of were out of his control.

It was awesome. :up:

[Canemacar]

He even consulted the Shi'Ar technicians and they just laughed it off and said it was impossible for it to achieve sentience.

That what you get when the Shiar start outsourcing their tech support.

[GambitXremy]

Ya so i dont think Xavier is a jerk about the whole danger thing now.... so is danger going to be like a robot x-men now or something

[mightiest_mortal]

Ya so i dont think Xavier is a jerk about the whole danger thing now.... so is danger going to be like a robot x-men now or something

Yeah think so, think she was wondering around in the background in X-Force a while ago so think shes joining up with the X-Men now... albeit im guessing with limited access to her powers, otherwise she'd be far faaaaaaaar too powerful to put on the team.


Now we just need someone to explain a good reason that Prof X sent a load of X-Kids to Krakoa to die then wiped everyones minds off them.

[Canemacar]

Now we just need someone to explain a good reason that Prof X sent a load of X-Kids to Krakoa to die then wiped everyones minds off them.

Cocaine's a hell of a drug?

[Manic]

That what you get when the Shiar start outsourcing their tech support.
Charles: "Hello, is this tech support?"
Techie: "Hello, how may I be helping you today?"
Charles: "Uh, yeah. I installed a Shi'ar Hard Light holographic system, and I think it's gaining sentience. Is there a way for me to extract the sentient lifeform?"
Techie: "Yes, have you tried restarting the system?"
Charles: "I don't see how that's going to help."
Techie: "Check your monitor. Is your monitor plugged in?"
Charles: "What? Yes, it's plugged in, but--"
Techie: "Have you pressed the 'power' button?"
Charles: What?! My monitor is on! There is nothing wrong with the monitor!"
Techie: "Please calm down, sir."
Charles: There's a freaking life-form developing in my Danger Room!"
Techie: "Have you tried restarting in Safe Mode, sir?"
Charles: "Look, my wife is the Majestrix of the Shi'ar Empire. I can charter a jump ship and give you the computer my damn self. You're on the Tech Planet, right?"
Techie: Actually, sir, we are located in Kree Space."
*click*
Charles: "****ing Kree outsourcing."

[squeekness]

^^LOLs. :p

[GambitXremy]

Yes it is HAHAHA

[Brainiac 8]

Ya so i dont think Xavier is a jerk about the whole danger thing now.... so is danger going to be like a robot x-men now or something

Well she is what would be defined a mutant, only she is a mutant computer...so she fits within the theme of the X-Men. It might be interesting to see her around as a team member rather than an enemy.

Yeah think so, think she was wondering around in the background in X-Force a while ago so think shes joining up with the X-Men now... albeit im guessing with limited access to her powers, otherwise she'd be far faaaaaaaar too powerful to put on the team.


Now we just need someone to explain a good reason that Prof X sent a load of X-Kids to Krakoa to die then wiped everyones minds off them.

I think that was just generally a bad judgement call and not a malicious act of Xavier. It was like when Zatanna decided to mind wipe the villains and Batman of the whole identity/rape incident.

They made a bad call, and rather than face it, they tried to cover it over. It bit the JLA in the butt later on, just like it did Xavier. The difference is that rather than try and ignore it like most of the JLA did, Xavier attempted to travel out in space and right his wrong.

[GambitXremy]

Ya but now we has this whole Vulcan story line that hasn't came to a conclusion yet....and more kids add to the summers line

[Brainiac 8]

I have personally enjoyed the "Vulcan Saga" and it should have a final conclusion during the War of Kings.

[OutcryX]

it should...probably wont though

[javi1024]

ive enjoyed it except for Deadly Genesis. i cant even remember most of the story it was so forgettable.

[OutcryX]

yeah..and so perished Banshee....uncelebrated and not remembered

[Manic]

The only person to mourn Banshee was Siryn, and that was after she finally accepted that he wasn't coming back. Years later.

[OutcryX]

you would think Emma and M and Jubilee, Chamber and Husk would have had some kind of reaction..hell artie, leech and franklin too..and gaia..and mondo..and the mutant formerly know and penance..and the st.crois twins....

[Manic]

M looked upset for about 2 panels, but she's become quite good at being an ice queen. No more of that "I'm going to let go for 5 minutes and cry with Jubilee" stuff for her.

[OutcryX]

she was always like that though...David has just exaggerated it into unlikeable levels

[GambitXremy]

i like vulcan but i think they can do such a better job with him... like stop having him acting like a kid......

[OutcryX]

i agree. i dont like him acting out so. and he needs to be a good guy. all this secret family member that is also a villain crap is just that

[Manic]

I want to say "it's not his fault. He only matured to his early teens before slipping into that coma and reaching adulthood in his sleep," but Darwin isn't remotely as much of a whiny brat.

[OutcryX]

this is true..but perhaps darwins mutation to adapt played a part in that as well...its internal as well as external and his mind automatically aged itself..or something

[javi1024]

i forget, if Vulcan was raised with the Shi'ar how did he end up on Muir Island?

[UraniaChang]

I want to say "it's not his fault. He only matured to his early teens before slipping into that coma and reaching adulthood in his sleep," but Darwin isn't remotely as much of a whiny brat.



Vulcan is typically today's angry teenagers.

"Everybody has failed me! I'm so angry! No one understands me! I want to kill everyone with a AK47 then they'll notice me and never forget about me!"

Only that Vulcan has something more powerful than a AK47.

[OutcryX]

i forget, if Vulcan was raised with the Shi'ar how did he end up on Muir Island?

he wasn't was he?

Adam X is the Shi'Ar baby..oh wait..Vulcan was with them for a time wasnt he? i cannot remember eaither

[GambitXremy]

he was a slave to the shi'ar he was one of eric the reds slaves... read Deadly genesis and the begging of the rise and fall of the shi'ar empire it explans Vulcans Origins

[Canemacar]

Vulcan is typically today's angry teenagers.

"Everybody has failed me! I'm so angry! No one understands me! I want to kill everyone with a AK47 then they'll notice me and never gorget about me!"

Only that Vulcan has something more powerful than a AK47.

And just like today's teenagers, he needs five across the face.

[GambitXremy]

I think Havoks done that a few times already "five Across the face" but every time he gets close to killing vulcan something comes up...it's happen twice already its kinda lame...

Hey so when Havok absorbs like the power of a star does that make him an Omgea Mutant???

[Manic]

1. No, that doesn't make him an omega mutant.

2. Are people still talking about the omega/alpha classifications as if they actually mean something? Elixir is an omega mutant, but he'd easily get his ass handed to him by any number of alpha mutants.

[UraniaChang]

Or Betas, or even lesser levels but with any kind of offensive abilities.

[OutcryX]

elixir may get his ass handed to him but with his power..he can ALWAYS come back and if he really tested it...become quite a power house

[UraniaChang]

That will look extremely idiotic.

A: Ha! Now I'm going to kill you!
E: Be my guest. I'll just heal myself up.
A: .....

That's lame.

[Havok83]

1. No, that doesn't make him an omega mutant.

2. Are people still talking about the omega/alpha classifications as if they actually mean something? Elixir is an omega mutant, but he'd easily get his ass handed to him by any number of alpha mutants.
Elixir is still very much a novice and doesnt have much experience with his powers. Maybe about a year or so and he still hasnt reached his full potential. He rarely uses his powers offensively for fear of what is capable of, but we do know that he can instantly kill a person just by touching them. Kind of like Rogue but with much more control, speed, efficency and none of the side effects. And then theres the fact that he can heal nearly any wound, regenerate organs, bring someone back to life, if he acts fast enough, etc...

[OutcryX]

how is that idiotic? happens to wolverine all the time. except with elixir's abilities he could enhance himself to a point of human perfection if he wanted.

[Havok83]

how is that idiotic? happens to wolverine all the time. except with elixir's abilities he could enhance himself to a point of human perfection if he wanted.
and the other members on the team with a healing factor, Archangel, X-23,

[UraniaChang]

how is that idiotic? happens to wolverine all the time. except with elixir's abilities he could enhance himself to a point of human perfection if he wanted.


Reason listed above. :cwink::woot:

[OutcryX]

Elixir could be the ultimate badass if written correctly, then again that can be said for everyone...and is...but if he wanted to, he could make it so that he couldnt take damage nor feel pain. if he touched you he could give you any amount of instant death...he is basically like whither..except he can heal as well

[Havok83]

Elixir could be the ultimate badass if written correctly, then again that can be said for everyone...and is...but if he wanted to, he could make it so that he couldnt take damage nor feel pain. if he touched you he could give you any amount of instant death...he is basically like whither..except he can heal as well
dont forget actually has control over his power. Wither cant touch anyone without hurting them. Josh at least can control the effects he has with his power

[Manic]

I don't think Rogue can kill anyone with her normal powers. Her first boyfriend, Ms. Marvel, Sunfire, and Mystique all survived getting drained by her. And in the cases of Sunfire and Mystique, she was actually trying to kill them.

[Havok83]

I don't think Rogue can kill anyone with her normal powers. Her first boyfriend, Ms. Marvel, Sunfire, and Mystique all survived getting drained by her. And in the cases of Sunfire and Mystique, she was actually trying to kill them.
then I guess thats one reason why Elixir's powers are more efficient then hers.

[GambitXremy]

Havok says something in x-men: emperor vulcan that they never knew the up most limit to his power... but then he got throw into a star and became super powerful enough to hurt Vulcan not even Vulcans powers could with stand havoks powers and vulcans a omega and has great knowlegde on how to use his powers.....

and it was kinda of weak to use elixir as a example his just a kid and his still learning how to use his power.

[OutcryX]

so...if havok can absorb a star...can scott absorb the sun?

[Colossal Spoons]

I was very pleased to see Havok get supercharged :up:

We should fling Cyclops into the sun and see if he comes back decades later as Cyclops-Prime :p

[javi1024]

that part was awesome. but what was even cooler was in King Breaker when he was drained of his power and that guy killing Rachel turns out to be a living star- Recharge!!

[GambitXremy]

ya that part was damn cool

[Canemacar]

Since the Gambit thread died a while back, I'll just post this article here .

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21007

[GambitXremy]

ya that was a nice read...

[Havok83]

They need to make Gambit into a badass who really doesnt give a damn what people think. Have him make no apologies and be completely selfish and out for number 1, himself. Im not interested in reading him all good, sweet and trying to redeem himself and make up for the past. I dont want to see him try to fit in where he doesnt belong. Either they accept him for what he is or screw them. Id love to see him show up as a thorn in the X-men's side. Not evil, but definetly notblindly willing to follow them or agree with everything they do. I can see him showing up in X-force bc he probably wouldnt be censored there. Then have him show up in Uncanny and expose Scott for the lying deceitful leader that they dont know he is, just for the hell of it bc Gambit is a bastard like that. Have him force a kiss on Emma before he leaves and then push her away telling her that he wouldnt sleep her plastic fake self if she were the last woman alive, just to piss off her and Scott. I know it will never happen with the current state of things, but thats how Id have him written

[GambitXremy]

like gambit as a bada$$ yes but thats just way crazy dude....and gambits always tried to redeem himself...

[Havok83]

like gambit as a bada$$ yes but thats just way crazy dude....and gambits always tried to redeem himself...
I dont care for him redeeming himself. I want him to walk the fine line between good and bad. He should be more of a gray character who's actions are unpredictable. I dont know, Im just sick of the wimpy punk that Ive been reading in the books the past few years. Not reading Legacy, but I hear that, that hasnt really changed. The only time I got remotely excited in Gambit in recent years has been when Milligan turned him into a villian. Horribly written with horrible motivations for the turn, but it did have potential, which I was hoping a writer would pick things up and use it to turn him into the gray antihero, Ive been imagining. Too bad that didnt happen and we are back to the lovefest with Rogue which was what went wrong with his character to begin with

[Manic]

Personally, I find nothing more annoying than a good guy turning into a villain. I don't mind two groups of good guys having differing views and conflicting over that, but going from righteousness to out-right villainy because you don't know what else to do with the character is just lazy, Mike Carey.

[Canemacar]

Personally, I find nothing more annoying than a good guy turning into a villain. I don't mind two groups of good guys having differing views and conflicting over that, but going from righteousness to out-right villainy because you don't know what else to do with the character is just lazy, Mike Carey.

I agree that someone like Nightcrawler shouldn't just go evil because they can' think of anything else for him to do. Gambit is a different case, however. Walking a fine line is what makes him interesting; sticking him firmly on one side or another is like making Wolverine a pacifist.

[GambitXremy]

Gambit was a Marauder again... you never know what gambits going to do...he told cable the key words that would help him find the messiah baby...and he kick'd Bishops a$$ witch was crazy pimp....I want the old gambit back to but not like super crazy. Gambits like the lovable Rascal.

[Not_Sane]

So whats going on with X-Men Legacy? I haven't read it in a while.

[Colossal Spoons]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

That's what.

[Not_Sane]

thats probably why i haven't read it in a while

[OutcryX]

mike carey has officially used up ALL of his cool points...how does one go from that action packed fan-ficish run to this?

[Manic]

Too much "fan" in his fiction.

[Colossal Spoons]

I was hoping the Cable, Sabretooth, Rogue, Cannonball ,etc team would last longer. But I guess no X-team besides the Astonishing crew does :whatever:

[OutcryX]

those are the mainstays....any other team is essentially the whim of the writer(and who the task master x editors allow them to use) so once that writer leaves..so does the team..in Carey's case..his team was only there to amp up Rogue, once they accomplished that, he jettisoned them all

[Brainiac 8]

I did enjoy the early team he put together, but I have loved Legacy except for three issues...but other than that, I have loved his run.

Different strokes for different folks I suppose.

[Colossal Spoons]

Carey should never be allowed to write his fav characters :o

[Canemacar]

Here's a piece of interior art from #224 a friend of mine found:

http://www.comicvine.com/news/x-men-legacy-the-reunion/138430/

[Manic]

I'm getting bored just thinking about those two together.

*yawn*

[Canemacar]

At least your favorite isn't held hostage by a vampire of a character that drains the interesting out of others to sustain her own angsty life.

[Manic]

No, my favorite is off leading a team of mad scientists.

MOO HOO HA HA!

[Brainiac 8]

Here's a piece of interior art from #224 a friend of mine found:

http://www.comicvine.com/news/x-men-legacy-the-reunion/138430/


Since I'm probably still one of the few fans of these two and their relationship, I'll give a big hurrah. :up:

[The Englishman]

At least your favorite isn't held hostage by a vampire of a character that drains the interesting out of others to sustain her own angsty life.

No, my favorite is off leading a team of mad scientists.

MOO HOO HA HA!
At least your favorite is not stuck in limbo or just stood at the back of group shots doing nothing with the writer of the book saying ive got big plans for him...( and then just putting him at back of group shots doing nothing with him)!!!!!!

[Manic]

I can't make fun of that. I actually like Iceman.

[Havok83]

I was hoping the Cable, Sabretooth, Rogue, Cannonball ,etc team would last longer. But I guess no X-team besides the Astonishing crew does :whatever:
Same here. He had the best X book around and that all went downhill after MC.

[ChaoticPsylocke]

who is being sucked by a vampire?

[GambitXremy]

i can't wait to read x-men origins gambit

[Canemacar]

who is being sucked by a vampire?

There's a fellatio joke in there somewhere.

[OutcryX]

i think u just made it

[ChaoticPsylocke]

haha yeah i was aware. lol

and seriously rogue switches back to the costume she had at the beginning of this arc AGAIN! crazy bia needs to stick with one.

[Manic]

She has Mystique's powers. I think she can switch costumes all she wants. It's also the only explanation as to how she's doing it with no costume-making resources.

[katie_girl09]

Here's a piece of interior art from #224 a friend of mine found:

http://www.comicvine.com/news/x-men-legacy-the-reunion/138430/
I'm only excited if this means they will actually stay together for a while.

Oh, Canemacar, you think its bad now, imagine if Rogue and Gambit got married! Wouldn't that be awesome??:hehe:

[Manic]

Knowing how Marvel's writers handle marriages, Rogue and Gambit's relationship would somehow become rockier if they got hitched.

[roach]

they'll just kill of Rogue and have Gambit date Selene and everyone will love the Gambit/Selene coupling

[Manic]

This is Mike Carey we're talking about. Gambit would be killed off for the sake of advancing Rogue's character.

He'd be the first "Man In A Refrigerator."

[roach]

maybe Selene will rape and kill Gambit

[Manic]

Isn't Selene too busy (statutory-)raping Whither from the New X-Men?

[roach]

i dont know im still a little bitter about the Scott/Emma coupling

[squeekness]

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/squeekness/Gambit/Legacy224kisspic.jpg

*tries not to gag*

Uhmm... how is he kissing her like that and not like.. you know.. dying?

[roach]

can she control it now...and effect from the baby in Messiah Complex

[squeekness]

I'm not so sure......

[GambitXremy]

will just have to wait and see when the issue comes out

[Colossal Spoons]

OMG! Maybe they shot Rogue up with some weak SPIN tech, or put a power inhibitor collar on her, or any of the 400000000 freaking ways to limit her powers so she and Gambit can touch each other and stop being so pointlessly tragic. It's like 2 long lost lovers who live around the corner from each other :whatever:

[OutcryX]

Quit making sense Spoonsie....the romy fans..and writers NEED their angst fix in order to live.

[Colossal Spoons]

I just want them to be happy, but more importantly for things to make sense :(

[UraniaChang]

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/squeekness/Gambit/Legacy224kisspic.jpg

*tries not to gag*

Uhmm... how is he kissing her like that and not like.. you know.. dying?


For F***'s sake, Gambit. :whatever:

[Brainiac 8]

This is Mike Carey we're talking about. Gambit would be killed off for the sake of advancing Rogue's character.

He'd be the first "Man In A Refrigerator."

Dear lord, I hope not. I know he loves Rogue, but I really hope he wouldn't go as far as killing Gambit. I really hope the rumors of his fixing Rogues powers is correct. It should have happened years ago.

maybe Selene will rape and kill Gambit


No Roach, this isn't DC.

[GambitXremy]

i hope gambit stands on his own two feet tho in the next coming up issues

[Manic]

i hope gambit stands on his own two feet tho in the next coming up issues
And I hope Beast and the X-Club get their own ongoing series, but it ain't gonna happen anytime soon.

[javi1024]

i dont see it happening only because how long would they want to deal with restarting the x-gene? and if/when they do, whats next? thats the reason theyre together. i could see a mini though.

[squeekness]

A mini would be nice so long as it isn't four issues of sap. :(

[Manic]

I could just see them sticking together to go on wacky sci-fi adventures. You've got a cyborg who hunts genetically engineered super-nazis, a man who creates giant monsters, someone who talks to machines, the lady who created the mutant cure, Archangel, Beast, a time machine, and Beast's connections to SWORD for space travel. The insanity writes itself.

Where's Warren Ellis? Let him write it.

[Brainiac 8]

And I hope Beast and the X-Club get their own ongoing series, but it ain't gonna happen anytime soon.


I'll second the X-club ongoing series. That would be awesome. Just the banter between Beast and Dr. Nemesis would make the series worth reading. :D

[OutcryX]

I could just see them sticking together to go on wacky sci-fi adventures. You've got a cyborg who hunts genetically engineered super-nazis, a man who creates giant monsters, someone who talks to machines, the lady who created the mutant cure, Archangel, Beast, a time machine, and Beast's connections to SWORD for space travel. The insanity writes itself.

Where's Warren Ellis? Let him write it.

wait..where is WHO???
just say NO to Warren Ellis...NO NO NO NO NO

[Manic]

Oh, that's right. Most people who read the X-titles around the turn of the century hate Warren Ellis for apparently getting everything but Adjectiveless and Uncanny cancelled.

[OutcryX]

yeah, pretty much. and he did it SINGLE HANDEDLY(made up word, but it gets the point across)

[javi1024]

Oh, that's right. Most people who read the X-titles around the turn of the century hate Warren Ellis for apparently getting everything but Adjectiveless and Uncanny cancelled.
:huh: did i miss something?

[OutcryX]

yes u did. that latter part of the 90s/early 2000s when warren ellis was given reign over X-Force, X-Man, Generation X and i think another title...and they were all eventually cancelled...because he drastically changed everything about them. X-Force was kinda spared, given to milligan who jettisoned ALL the member, create dbrand new ones and changed it to X-Statix

[Manic]

The way I understand it, Warren Ellis was writing Generation X, X-Factor, and X-Man somewhere around the year 2000 when they all got cancelled. Fans have blamed him for that for years.

I'm indifferent, because I stopped reading comics from 1996-2004.

[OutcryX]

i dont believe he was on x-factor...that got canceled before him and was turned into mutant x...it was x-force that he ruined

[Manic]

Ah. I knew it was X-F[something].

[javi1024]

yes u did. that latter part of the 90s/early 2000s when warren ellis was given reign over X-Force, X-Man, Generation X and i think another title...and they were all eventually cancelled...because he drastically changed everything about them. X-Force was kinda spared, given to milligan who jettisoned ALL the member, create dbrand new ones and changed it to X-Statix
that explains it. i didnt read comics til about 2003-04 and i only followed Uncanny/Adjectiveless until recently. same goes for back issues.

[Havok83]

I could just see them sticking together to go on wacky sci-fi adventures. You've got a cyborg who hunts genetically engineered super-nazis, a man who creates giant monsters, someone who talks to machines, the lady who created the mutant cure, Archangel, Beast, a time machine, and Beast's connections to SWORD for space travel. The insanity writes itself.

Where's Warren Ellis? Let him write it.
For me that would be incredbly boring. Almost as bad as Legacy if not worse. Warren is the only character tied to this that I like and I would hate to see him stuck in an ongoing featuring this

[Manic]

No love for Beast?

I think it would make for neat sci-fi fun. Why are there so few of us who like the X-Club and that kind of stuff?

[OutcryX]

i would like to see them all stick around, the x-club..but only as a full time science/med staff..throw in C. Reyes...and Prodigy and you have a freaking research university hospital

[Jake Cassidy]

No love for Beast?

I think it would make for neat sci-fi fun. Why are there so few of us who like the X-Club and that kind of stuff?

I like the X-Club, especially since it looks like Psylocke's gonna be hanging with them soon. :woot:

[The Englishman]

yes u did. that latter part of the 90s/early 2000s when warren ellis was given reign over X-Force, X-Man, Generation X and i think another title...and they were all eventually cancelled...because he drastically changed everything about them. X-Force was kinda spared, given to milligan who jettisoned ALL the member, create dbrand new ones and changed it to X-Statix

The way I understand it, Warren Ellis was writing Generation X, X-Factor, and X-Man somewhere around the year 2000 when they all got cancelled. Fans have blamed him for that for years.

I'm indifferent, because I stopped reading comics from 1996-2004.

i dont believe he was on x-factor...that got canceled before him and was turned into mutant x...it was x-force that he ruined

Was'nt Ellis writing Excalibur when that got canned too???

[Jake Cassidy]

Was'nt Ellis writing Excalibur when that got canned too???

No. That was Ben Raab.

[Havok83]

No love for Beast?

I think it would make for neat sci-fi fun. Why are there so few of us who like the X-Club and that kind of stuff?
I usually find Beast boring, even more so now since he became a cat. I thought Endangered Species was a snoozefest bc it centered around him. That was a prelud to his current story which not surprisingly, Im not enjoying. I like him as a character and dont hate him. I just dont find him particularly interesting

[GambitXremy]

i miss the beast and iceman's foil

[squeekness]

yes u did. that latter part of the 90s/early 2000s when warren ellis was given reign over X-Force, X-Man, Generation X and i think another title...and they were all eventually cancelled...because he drastically changed everything about them. X-Force was kinda spared, given to milligan who jettisoned ALL the member, create dbrand new ones and changed it to X-StatixMilligan wrote X-Statix? No wonder I hated it. :p

No love for Beast?

I think it would make for neat sci-fi fun. Why are there so few of us who like the X-Club and that kind of stuff?I like the X-club myself and the fact that Beast is in it. They have an interesting dynamic and I don't mind if they stick around. :)

[katie_girl09]

Knowing how Marvel's writers handle marriages, Rogue and Gambit's relationship would somehow become rockier if they got hitched.
*Sigh*
Too true. :(

[The Englishman]

Was'nt Ellis writing Excalibur when that got canned too???

No. That was Ben Raab.

Good because i liked Ellis's run on Excalibur.......

[GambitXremy]

Ellis was never never a team player really, he just kinda likes doing thing his own way

[javi1024]

i guess in that respect hes the perfect writer for Astonishing then.

[GambitXremy]

ya but that art on AXM Brings me in and out of the book

[Manic]

Simone Bianchi's art is a mixed bag. It's so detailed and beautifully rendered, but his poses are weird, and his people ain't got no alibi











You see, because THEY UGLY!

[javi1024]

ya but that art on AXM Brings me in and out of the book
i have to try and read Astonishing in spite of the art. it used be because the writing was good that i stayed with the book now it because.....i'll have to get back to you. :csad:

[GambitXremy]

i like the writing. i think its great but the art and delays are killing me