Official X-MEN: LEGACY Discussion Thread

[Havok83]

I'd rather get a character get some development, rather than have to juggle all the time. Besides, there is Astonishing X-Men and Uncanny X-Men for team-stuff, along with X-Force and X-Factor. That's enough characters getting the spotlight. Besides, it's not like Xavier and Rogue are in a vacuum, we've seen enough characters appear.

Not really as UXM and AXM feature very similar casts.The extra characters in UXM are just that extras and get absolutely no development. There are too many X-men just sitting around in SF getting little to no panel time so it seems like a waste that they've stopped this title from being a team one

[Harlekin]

So, wouldn't it make more sense to have either Astonishing or Uncanny X-Men feature a different team? The premise of X-Men: Legacy is pretty clear and the stories follow on that. It's not meant to be a team book. Why take away the one title that is offering something different, rather than the redundant one?

[iamlegend]

So, wouldn't it make more sense to have either Astonishing or Uncanny X-Men feature a different team? The premise of X-Men: Legacy is pretty clear and the stories follow on that. It's not meant to be a team book. Why take away the one title that is offering something different, rather than the redundant one?

X-Men Legacy is an off-shoot of the Adjectiveless X-Men title, which was a team book from its inception. It became X-Men Legacy for a bit when it decided to take over Xavier's storyline and pander around for months on end.

Back when they first announced that idea, there was no mention of it suddenly becoming Rogue-a-palooza own the road, though that became clear eventually.

X-Men needs to get back to being what it was, rather than just being Mike Carey's love-fest.

Are you a Rogue fan? I'm not getting how you can't at least see that the book is entirely different from what it was first pitched as. :huh:

[javi1024]

So, wouldn't it make more sense to have either Astonishing or Uncanny X-Men feature a different team? The premise of X-Men: Legacy is pretty clear and the stories follow on that. It's not meant to be a team book. Why take away the one title that is offering something different, rather than the redundant one?
why take "X-Men" which has always been a team title, rename its "X-Men: Legacy" and turn it into a solo series? Why still have "Astonishing X-Men" around when its sole purpose was to be the new flagship title for the X-franchise only to have Uncanny retake that position? it sounds to me like the most logical thing to do was turn "Astonishing" into the bubble-verse solo series and leave X-Men "Adjectiveless" so it could focus on everyone else in SF while Uncanny stuck with the core team.

[Havok83]

So, wouldn't it make more sense to have either Astonishing or Uncanny X-Men feature a different team? The premise of X-Men: Legacy is pretty clear and the stories follow on that. It's not meant to be a team book. Why take away the one title that is offering something different, rather than the redundant one?
Wouldnt it make more sense to have Uncanny, Astonishing and Legacy feature a different team and give Carey a seperate Rogue solo to write? Sounds like a win win situation for everyone

[roach]

Wouldnt it make more sense to have Uncanny, Astonishing and Legacy feature a different team and give Carey a seperate Rogue solo to write? Sounds like a win win situation for everyone

Astonishing-Scotts team
Uncanny-Storms team
Legacy-Xavier's team

[javi1024]

i prefer Scott leading the flagship Uncanny team, but yea that would work. that actually looks like the Reloaded and beyond set up when it was:

Astonishing - Scott's
Uncanny - Storm's
X-Men - Havok's

and then

Astonishing - Scott's
Uncanny - Xavier's
X-Men - Rogue's

[iamlegend]

Astonishing-Scotts team
Uncanny-Storms team
Legacy-Xavier's team

Well Xavier is off to the Dark X-Men, so someone else could take over Legacy. Plenty of fit leaders left.

Of course, this situation makes too much sense for Marvel. They'd rather use the same 7 or so characters in both Astonishing and Uncanny, continuity be dammed, and fit Wolverine (or his son, clone, etc.) into every single title.

[GambitXremy]

Astonishing - Scott
Uncanny - Scott
Legacy - Rogues again
New mutants - Sam's
X-force - Wolverine
X-factors - Jamie

[Harlekin]

X-Men: Legacy was set up as the title that would follow Xavier's adventures after Messiah Complex. Key point in that was tying it into the X-Men's history. Now, a shift has occurred, and Rogue will take over for a year or so. You're all acting like Legacy's been Rogue's book since the beginning, which it hasn't been at all.

I welcome the diversity a title like this brings, since it actually incorporates old continuity while giving new adventures and allowing some fresh development of characters. I don't understand why you guys want to throw that away when you've got two team books, with another three off-shoots (if you count New Mutants as well) to keep you happy. That Astonishing is redundant is not the fault of Legacy.

[Manic]

We're talking about it like it was always Rogue's book because it basically was Rogue's book before it was Charles'. Back when it was about her squad, she was the star, and they were her featured players.

[Harlekin]

Well, yeah, it was her squad. As it stands, even that run only lasted a year. For all of Carey's tenure, she's been absent from the book more than she's been in it.

[iamlegend]

Well, yeah, it was her squad. As it stands, even that run only lasted a year. For all of Carey's tenure, she's been absent from the book more than she's been in it.

X-Men during Carey's run...

Rogue (and she got ridiculous levels of treatment vs. the other characters on the team).
Charles.
Rogue again. With ridiculous levels of treatment.

It's annoying as all hell when a writer just ignores the rest of the universe. Carey only went the Xavier route for awhile to justify turning back to all Rogue, all the time.

[Havok83]

X-Men: Legacy was set up as the title that would follow Xavier's adventures after Messiah Complex. Key point in that was tying it into the X-Men's history. Now, a shift has occurred, and Rogue will take over for a year or so. You're all acting like Legacy's been Rogue's book since the beginning, which it hasn't been at all.

I welcome the diversity a title like this brings, since it actually incorporates old continuity while giving new adventures and allowing some fresh development of characters. I don't understand why you guys want to throw that away when you've got two team books, with another three off-shoots (if you count New Mutants as well) to keep you happy. That Astonishing is redundant is not the fault of Legacy.
If you've been following this thread for the past year or so the biggest complaint about it was the focus on Xavier. Now that complaint has shifted to Rogue. Its not a conspiracy agaisnt Rogue. People just dont like this being a solo series at all. If it were Legacy starring Iceman, Wolverine, Storm, etc.... you'd be reading similar comments

[UraniaChang]

Carey is just too obvious in favoring one character, it's not really something we, as the X-Men fans, want to read.

Most of the X-fans like team books.

[Harlekin]

This is just amazing to me. I get the complaints about Carey favouring Rogue in his team, they are partially legit - but again I remind you: it's been a run of all of three years in total, which means, what, six to eight arcs? Spotlight on one character is not that weird - but about Xavier? That was the premise of the book and it still featured numerous X-characters.

Look, I get that people would rather this be a team book, but I'd be campaigning more for getting Astonishing on a decent schedule and featuring a not-so-redundant team.

Also, finally, ridiculous levels of treatment again? One arc for now and a few solo adventures to come. Honestly, I don't see the big deal. You wouldn't be complaining if it was your favourite character.

[Havok83]

This is just amazing to me. I get the complaints about Carey favouring Rogue in his team, they are partially legit - but again I remind you: it's been a run of all of three years in total, which means, what, six to eight arcs? Spotlight on one character is not that weird - but about Xavier? That was the premise of the book and it still featured numerous X-characters.Most solo series do feature numerous characters. That doesnt change the fact that they have one leading star with the rest as a rotating supporting cast. Xavier is not a character interesting enough to maintain a solo and shifting the focus to him for so long has been Legacy's biggest mistake.


Look, I get that people would rather this be a team book, but I'd be campaigning more for getting Astonishing on a decent schedule and featuring a not-so-redundant team.Its been 5 years now and with both creative teams, the book has never been able to maintain a consistent schedule. I dont think people are sitting by waiting for that to change. What's campaigning going to do? Marvel knows and doesnt really care about that.

Also, finally, ridiculous levels of treatment again? One arc for now and a few solo adventures to come. Honestly, I don't see the big deal. You wouldn't be complaining if it was your favourite character.
Rogue was one of my favorites but unfortunately Carey's turned me against her. I was one of her bigger supporters back when he took over but Ive finally understood the valid complaints people had with her and doesnt seem like that is changing anytime soon based on what Im seeing and reading with whats in store for the future.

[Slant]

X-Men during Carey's run...

Rogue (and she got ridiculous levels of treatment vs. the other characters on the team).
Charles.
Rogue again. With ridiculous levels of treatment.

It's annoying as all hell when a writer just ignores the rest of the universe. Carey only went the Xavier route for awhile to justify turning back to all Rogue, all the time.
No kidding.

It'd be one thing if Rogue was present and took the backseat once in while, but no. She's either the focus, or she's out of the picture completely in a coma somewhere so no one else can write her. Its pretty convenient that whenever there's an opportunity for Rogue to appear elsewhere she's in a coma like during MC or 'finding herself' like she was afterwords.

[iamlegend]

Also, finally, ridiculous levels of treatment again? One arc for now and a few solo adventures to come. Honestly, I don't see the big deal. You wouldn't be complaining if it was your favourite character.

If Mike Carey wrote a Gambit-oriented book, I'd certainly be complaining...

[Canemacar]

If Mike Carey wrote a Gambit-oriented book, I'd certainly be complaining...

So that would be, what? 13 pages of getting beaten up, and 9 pages of pining for Rogue?

No, of course not, i'm being silly. It would work out to half a panel of him getting knocked out in mid-pine with the rest focusing on Rogue single-handedly beating Galactus.

[iamlegend]

So that would be, what? 13 pages of getting beaten up, and 9 pages of pining for Rogue?

No, of course not, i'm being silly. It would work out to half a panel of him getting knocked out in mid-pine with the rest focusing on Rogue single-handedly beating Galactus.

You forgot the part where, after defeating Galactus, Rogue returns and recuperates an unconscious Gambit... only to berate him for everything he's done wrong over the years, particularly to blameless Rogue, which only causes him to pine/want Rogue more.

[ChaoticPsylocke]

man you guys have that thing worked out! lol

[Harlekin]

So, what, Gambit is useless for the last few issues of Legacy? He kicked ass, finally, after years of being messed with. Same goes for Rogue. Finally, she's back to being the kick-ass character we all loved, after being screwed with for years. I think sometimes you guys forget that these two were barely decent characters for most of the last decade.

I guess it's me, I don't get the Carey hate.

[Canemacar]

So, what, Gambit is useless for the last few issues of Legacy? He kicked ass, finally, after years of being messed with. Same goes for Rogue. Finally, she's back to being the kick-ass character we all loved, after being screwed with for years. I think sometimes you guys forget that these two were barely decent characters for most of the last decade.

I guess it's me, I don't get the Carey hate.

He's brought Rogue out of her slump, certainly, but I don't see how you can say that about Gambit. Before Carey came along, he was an annoying, useless idiot who did nothing but pine for Rogue. After Carey, he's an annoying, useless idiot who does nothing but pine for Rogue and get beat up.

[Harlekin]

Yes, he pines for Rogue, but I wouldn't call him useless. At least Carey fixed the Horseman of Apocalypse mess.

[Canemacar]

I would. Name one thing he actually accomplished in Legacy.

[javi1024]

Yes, he pines for Rogue, but I wouldn't call him useless. At least Carey fixed the Horseman of Apocalypse mess.
i wouldn't call "completely ignoring that it happened" the same as fixing it. im glad he's out of there, but he went from horseman to marauder to semi-Xman without any reasons or explanations behind any move.

[Slant]

Well nothing has been explained about Gambit since he came back. Not how he got back to normal, nothing about him tipping Cable off, or anything.

[squeekness]

They realy need to go back and cover that. :( It's like a whole big chunk of who Gambit is now is missing. It was too abrupt. I dunno, maybe because the Horseman thing was handled so badly, only another bad thing could fix it. :(

[javi1024]

they need to take Gambit and re-establish who he is as a character the same way Whedon remade Cyclops. just like Scott back in the day, Gambits being defined by his relationship (and losing his cojones in the process) instead pitting him in unfamiliar situations and circumstances to let you know who he is.

[mythog]

I really do not think they will ever discuss Gambit as a horseman again and or even explain how he was changed back. I think the only thing they will ever mention again is the heritage line from “Blood of Apocalypse”. Carey has mentioned it a few times last year in interviews and on his board. I remember him saying he was going to have to wait a little longer to get into it. I have a strange feeling this is where Carey is going to go with Gambit in the way of character development and or re-establishing who he is.

[Canemacar]

they need to take Gambit and re-establish who he is as a character the same way Whedon remade Cyclops. just like Scott back in the day, Gambits being defined by his relationship (and losing his cojones in the process) instead pitting him in unfamiliar situations and circumstances to let you know who he is.

I feel thats been one of the biggest flaws in Carey's work with the character; he doesn't feel like Gambit. Most of it's just generic dialogue with a bit of french thrown in instead of serious characterization.

[Havok83]

Its unfortunate bc I thought changing him to a Horseman was potentially one of the best and worst things to happen to Gambit in the past few years. It was a great oppurtunity for the next writer to reboot him as Milligan pretty much left it so the slate was wiped clean with him. I was looking forward to a darker Gambit who had the mental effects of Apocalypse stuck with him. Would have been interesting to see him struggle with his dark side, reevaluate his life and move forward. Wasnt looking forward to seeing the stuff with him go ignored and him back to being Rogue's lapdog, pining away for her like we've seen played out over and over again. Carey dropped the ball and it probably would have been best had he left Gambit in limbo until a writer more invested in him could pick him up

[javi1024]

how long did he hide the whole Morlock secret? it was revealed in UXM 350 around '96-97 and i thought i saw it brought up in an issue like X-Men 38-39, so what '93-94? was the secret around for that long??

[Canemacar]

Its unfortunate bc I thought changing him to a Horseman was potentially one of the best and worst things to happen to Gambit in the past few years. It was a great oppurtunity for the next writer to reboot him as Milligan pretty much left it so the slate was wiped clean with him. I was looking forward to a darker Gambit who had the mental effects of Apocalypse stuck with him. Would have been interesting to see him struggle with his dark side, reevaluate his life and move forward. Wasnt looking forward to seeing the stuff with him go ignored and him back to being Rogue's lapdog, pining away for her like we've seen played out over and over again. Carey dropped the ball and it probably would have been best had he left Gambit in limbo until a writer more invested in him could pick him up

This is one point where I have to give Carey props. He's mentioned in interviews he is planning to bring some conclusion to whats been happening with Gambit off-panel since Blood of Apocalypse.

Of course how well he does it remains to be seen.


how long did he hide the whole Morlock secret? it was revealed in UXM 350 around '96-97 and i thought i saw it brought up in an issue like X-Men 38-39, so what '93-94? was the secret around for that long??

I know he's had hints about a big secret as early as Bishop's first appearance, but they didn't start hammering out the details until a few years later. I'd say it was probably 2-3 years before they revealed it.

It's a shame they couldn't have let the mystery simmer for a while like with Wolverine, but Marvel was so anxious to cash-in on anything they could back then so we got everything revealed in less than a decade.

[roach]

I know he's had hints about a big secret as early as Bishop's first appearance, but they didn't start hammering out the details until a few years later. I'd say it was probably 2-3 years before they revealed it.

It's a shame they couldn't have let the mystery simmer for a while like with Wolverine, but Marvel was so anxious to cash-in on anything they could back then so we got everything revealed in less than a decade.

well you forget that the X-men had a stranglehold on the number one comic position for a long time and after the Image boys left the book began to flounder. So ofcourse Marvel threw everything against the wall to see if it would stick. It was around this time that I dropped X-men. You kick Gambit off the team for helping to form the Marauders and then Marrow joins who retaliated against mankind and killed a bunch of humans on the anniversary of the Mutant Massacre. Didnt make much sense to me.

[javi1024]

well you forget that the X-men had a stranglehold on the number one comic position for a long time and after the Image boys left the book began to flounder. So ofcourse Marvel threw everything against the wall to see if it would stick. It was around this time that I dropped X-men. You kick Gambit off the team for helping to form the Marauders and then Marrow joins who retaliated against mankind and killed a bunch of humans on the anniversary of the Mutant Massacre. Didnt make much sense to me.
is that why Storm ripped out her heart? (howd she do that by the way)

[roach]

is that why Storm ripped out her heart? (howd she do that by the way)

Marrow had a bomb that was attached to her heart and Storm ripped it out during a fight between the two that was suppose to mimic the fight between Storm and Calisto over morlock leadership

[Canemacar]

Of course afterwards the editors decided Marrow was the next big thing, so she shows up a few issues later, alive and well. Apparently she had a second heart. No reason, just happened to have a spare sitting around in her chest. She then destroys a Sentinel and is immediately invited to join the team.

[roach]

this was one of the reasons why I dropped the book. It made no sense and I discovered I was buying the book out of habit instead of because I was enjoying it.

[Havok83]

this was one of the reasons why I dropped the book. It made no sense and I discovered I was buying the book out of habit instead of because I was enjoying it.
thats a shame bc that was right as Kelly and Seagle were beginning on the books which was one of the best writing stints on the core books even if they were only on for a short time. Did not like the idea of Marrow joining the team, but they made her work for me.

[Canemacar]

I never liked Kelly and Seagle. Everyone seems to like them for their characterizations, but they're the ones primarily responsible for the cluster**** of Uncanny #350. They had the X-men go on a dainty summer picnic the issue after Rogue left one of their own to die of exposure. And if that wasn't insane enough, Rogue flips out and doesn't understand why the X-men don't trust her after a mysterious attack on logan looks like her handiwork.

[roach]

I never liked Kelly and Seagle. Everyone seems to like them for their characterizations, but they're the ones primarily responsible for the cluster**** of Uncanny #350. They had the X-men go on a dainty summer picnic the issue after Rogue left one of their own to die of exposure. And if that wasn't insane enough, Rogue flips out and doesn't understand why the X-men don't trust her after a mysterious attack on logan looks like her handiwork.

like I said there were a lot of stupid things happening that ruined the book for me.

[GambitXremy]

they need to take Gambit and re-establish who he is as a character the same way Whedon remade Cyclops. just like Scott back in the day, Gambits being defined by his relationship (and losing his cojones in the process) instead pitting him in unfamiliar situations and circumstances to let you know who he is.


Man i wish they would do that with gambit - I so god damn agree with you,

I wonder how scotts going to feel about remy during the Cross over

[roach]

Man i wish they would do that with gambit - I so god damn agree with you,

I wonder how scotts going to feel about remy during the Cross over

Well Xavier hasnt done him over yet like the writers decided Xavier did to Scott so he doesnt have a reason to grow.

[Havok83]

I never liked Kelly and Seagle. Everyone seems to like them for their characterizations, but they're the ones primarily responsible for the cluster**** of Uncanny #350. They had the X-men go on a dainty summer picnic the issue after Rogue left one of their own to die of exposure. And if that wasn't insane enough, Rogue flips out and doesn't understand why the X-men don't trust her after a mysterious attack on logan looks like her handiwork.
Kelly had absolutely nothing to do with Uncanny #350. He didnt write on that title when he first joined. His work on X-men was pretty damn good. Seagle is credited for UXM 350 but he only scripted it. It was his first issue and he was closing up a story that had been in place months before he came aboard. That was Lobdell stuff that played out in that issue and he had already written most of the issue by the time Marvel chose Seagle to come in and finish it off

As for the X-men relaxing, well they deserved that picnic after all the crap they had gone through over the past few months. It was the first time in months where they werent being kidnapped, hunted, sent off the space, nearly killed, etc.... And it wasnt the issue after they left Gambit. It was more lke 3-4 issues

[katie_girl09]

Am I the only one that thought Gambit's secret was a little... rated G? Call me a maniac, but I think it would have been more interesting if he was a willing participant in the Morlock Massacre. It would have emphasized what a bad person he was before the X-men as well as how much they have changed him. There I said it.

[roach]

Am I the only one that thought Gambit's secret was a little... rated G? Call me a maniac, but I think it would have been more interesting if he was a willing participant in the Morlock Massacre. It would have emphasized what a bad person he was before the X-men as well as how much they have changed him. There I said it.

one of the reasons that the revelation ticked me off. He didnt help kill mutants. He recruited the Marauders for Sinister. Hell Scott is doing worst with his "killy killy stabby stabby" team

[mightiest_mortal]

Am I the only one that thought Gambit's secret was a little... rated G? Call me a maniac, but I think it would have been more interesting if he was a willing participant in the Morlock Massacre. It would have emphasized what a bad person he was before the X-men as well as how much they have changed him. There I said it.

I totally agree. To me that just made him seem like a complete whiney loser and wos the start of his current embarasing characterisation.

For years we were told "ooh gambits bad... Hes got sum big dark secret from his past." he actualy seemd like he wos mysterious and couldnt entirely be trusted.

Then we discover his big dark secret that hed been pining away about for years wos that he just led the marauders to the tunnels, not knowing they were going to kill them, and then helpd save sum morlocks when he found out. Not only that, but he only even led them there in the first place because he needed sinister to help him control his powers so he wouldnt kill every1 around him.

In an instant gambit went from being cool to me thinking "thats it? Thats what hes been so guilty about? Wolverine does worse than that everymorning before breakfast. What a pussy."

[roach]

agreed and then in an act of even greater hypocrisy they let Marrow join who has killed humans on the anniversary of the Mutant massacre

[Havok83]

The thing about Gambit's secret is that nobody seemed to care. No one really reacted to it, most likely bc they didnt feel it was that big of a deal. The only ones to take it personally were Rogue and Archangel. I can understand Warren bc he got royally screwed over by Gambit's actions. This was a guy that he lived with, fought alongside and eventually grew to trust and respect him and the whole time he was lying with this secret which was a catalyst for the darkest and worst times in his life. I felt his anger was justified. Then there was Rogue who had a personal and romantic attachment to Gambit. But really other than them, the rest of them didnt hold what Gambit did against him nor did they act angry towards him about it

[katie_girl09]

Well, I wouldn't necessarily dismiss the guilt he must feel over his actions. I mean, how would you feel if you knew that you helped someone kill a large group of people? It IS somehting that is emotionally scarring. And before that, he'd just been a thief - not a murderer.
I just didn't think that it went far enough for Gambit's character. Him being a participant given the right circumstances seems in character for him. Who knows? Maybe that's something that Claremont will fix!

[squeekness]

The thing about Gambit's secret is that nobody seemed to care. No one really reacted to it, most likely bc they didnt feel it was that big of a deal. The only ones to take it personally were Rogue and Archangel. I can understand Warren bc he got royally screwed over by Gambit's actions. This was a guy that he lived with, fought alongside and eventually grew to trust and respect him and the whole time he was lying with this secret which was a catalyst for the darkest and worst times in his life. I felt his anger was justified. Then there was Rogue who had a personal and romantic attachment to Gambit. But really other than them, the rest of them didnt hold what Gambit did against him nor did they act angry towards him about itThat's not exactly true. :( Logan let slip a comment I didn't appreciate not long after Gambit was outed. He and Storm were talking about traitors or having team members that can't be trusted and Logan said something to the effect of "...how many Gambits?" could they afford. I thought it was kind of rotten because it's not like Logan never did any crappy stuff in his life. He's done way worse than having some guy manipulate him into leading killers somewhere without knowing exactly what was going to happen. In fact, Gambit never actualy killed anyone there. What's Logan's body count? I didn't think he was in any postion to judge what Gambit had done as a misguided youth....

[katie_girl09]

Well, Wolverine is rather self-righteous. Just like his not trusting Rogue, or calling Cyclops out about Emma (what Cyclops did was really horrible and wrong, but Wolverine was not the person to talk about it).

[Havok83]

That's not exactly true. :( Logan let slip a comment I didn't appreciate not long after Gambit was outed. He and Storm were talking about traitors or having team members that can't be trusted and Logan said something to the effect of "...how many Gambits?" could they afford. I thought it was kind of rotten because it's not like Logan never did any crappy stuff in his life. He's done way worse than having some guy manipulate him into leading killers somewhere without knowing exactly what was going to happen. In fact, Gambit never actualy killed anyone there. What's Logan's body count? I didn't think he was in any postion to judge what Gambit had done as a misguided youth....
I dont remember that but Ill stand corrected and say the majority of the X-men.

[squeekness]

It was maybe a coupla issues after, when they got back to the mansion and it was all emptied out and all that. Marrow was living in the basement. :(

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X-MEN: LEGACY #225


STORY BY Mike Carey
ART BY Philippe Briones
COVER BY Daniel Acuña
PUBLISHER: Marvel Comics
COVER PRICE: $2.99
RELEASE DATE: Wed, June 17th, 2009

“The End”

Professor X's odyssey brings him full circle as he answers a call from the Acolytes. But what do they want? Revenge? Or a new leader? Xavier’s LEGACY journey ends here, and it’s a doozie.

[Manic]

Charles Xavier is pretty damn scary when he sets his mind on something. Like someone else's mind.

[Specter313]

I wish we saw a bit more of this Xavier throughout Legacy. Maybe might not have had so much complaints.

[UraniaChang]

Telepathy is really a gift that makes most of other people uncomfortable.

You'll lose the last privacy (or just the possibility) to them if they so choose to, that's scary.

[squeekness]

Wow, there's some faces I haven't seen in a while. :p

[Havok83]

glad to see the Acolytes back. They were around when the book was last semi-interesting

[Canemacar]

This issue is a good example of why Chuck is the scariest mofo in the X-verse when he wants to be. Forget metal claws, optic blasts, and magnetism; Charles can manipulate you like a marionette and then cut your strings.

[GambitXremy]

it's funny how we all kinda forget about how Prof. X can be the Badest MU@her F@@ker in the world hahaha...

Carey has Redeemed himself

[Manic]

He'll blow that redemption by the next issue, though.

[Canemacar]

He'll blow that redemption by the next issue, though.

The next issue will probably start the same way, only with rogue and she takes out the Avengers, X-men, Dark Avengers, X-force, and Acolytes. Single-handedly. At the same time.

[UraniaChang]

Even Carey should know that's over the top....er, at least, I hope so.

[Canemacar]

Even Carey should know that's over the top....er, at least, I hope so.

The second issue has Rogue becoming a god.....

[UraniaChang]

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[ChaoticPsylocke]

haha too funny

[mightiest_mortal]

Actually really liked this issue.
Prof X really seems to have grown as a character. Its a shame Carey had to backpeddle Juggernaut so much as a character.

[mythog]

The second issue has Rogue becoming a god.....

I thought you were kidding until I read the solicitation for Legacy #227.

[Specter313]

Hmm, this might actually be something that could get people interested in this book again:

Kiel Phegley: chickrockguitar's third question hits a theme we got from a few readers: "Any chance we'll see the X-kids (Hellion, Surge, Elixir, Anole, Pixie, Mercury, Rocklside, Dust etc) in thier own book again soon? We all miss New X-Men!"

Joe Quesada: You’ll be seeing a lot of those kids in “X-Men: Legacy” starting in October, along with Rogue (who’s becoming the book’s focus character). Since she has control of her powers now (WHAT? YOU DIDN’T READ “X-MEN LEGACY” #224?!?!?) her new role will be tied rather closely to the kids.


http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21679

[javi1024]

very interesting. and the title "Legacy" can have multiple meanings if the book features the youngest group of new X-Men.

[JustABill]

God damn them to hell. God damn them to hell. I did NOT want to have to start reading this again. GOD DAMN THEM. :cmad:

[squeekness]

Hmm, this might actually be something that could get people interested in this book again:




http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21679*waves goodbye to Gambit as he returns to limbo....* :(

[Jake Cassidy]

It'd be cool to see Rogue leading the younger generation, imo.

[javi1024]

if that was the route the book is taking i could think someone more appropriate- Beast? Storm? XAVIER?

[Specter313]

*waves goodbye to Gambit as he returns to limbo....* :(

Nothing said that he wouldn't be there too. ;)

[GambitXremy]

Carey already said that gambit was going to be in the book..... So rogues going to be a teacher and leader to the next generation of mutants, I wonder if Carey's setting in motion for rogue to take over the x-men one day

[Manic]

Rogue & the Young/New X-Men?

Fine, Carey. You got me. Clever bastard.

[JustABill]

These kids are gonna be even more messed up now that they'll be hanging around the X-Men's token emo member. :o

[Manic]

Are you kidding? Those kids can out-emo Anna any day of the week.

[Specter313]

"I couldn't touch anyone I loved for the majority of my life."

"I watched most of my friends get blown-up/shot/dismembered/tortured, etc."

"..... Ok, you win."

[JustABill]

"I couldn't touch anyone I loved for the majority of my life."

"I watched most of my friends get blown-up/shot/dismembered/tortured, etc."

"..... Ok, you win."
Okay, so I tend to drown out the fact that majority of the New X-Men were killed for shock value by everyone's favorite X-Men writing duo. What can I say? I try to tone out ****** writing. :o

[Specter313]

Okay, so I tend to drown out the fact that majority of the New X-Men were killed for shock value by everyone's favorite X-Men writing duo. What can I say? I try to tone out ****** writing. :o

Yet you continued to buy Hudlin penned Black Panther even though ya continue to ***** about it afterward. :o

[JustABill]

Yet you continued to buy Hudlin penned Black Panther even though ya continue to ***** about it afterward. :o
One phrase:

It has Storm. :o

[Specter313]

One phrase:

It has Storm. :o

Storm hag. :o

[Canemacar]

Nothing said that he wouldn't be there too. ;)

I can see where she's coming from. With Carey, Gambit has a tendancy to get overshadowed by Rogue(understatement), and by adding a bunch of kids in as a secondary focus it seems likely Gambit is just going to get overshadowed a second time over to the point he may as well not even be in the book.

I think there's potential. This seems to be Carey trying to get around the fact the editors mandated Legacy be a solo book. It could turn out to be Rogue trying to help mutants control their powers with Gambit providing an.....alternate take on education like in issue #11 of his second solo.

[Specter313]

I can see where she's coming from. With Carey, Gambit has a tendancy to get overshadowed by Rogue(understatement), and by adding a bunch of kids in as a secondary focus it seems likely Gambit is just going to get overshadowed a second time over to the point he may as well not even be in the book.

I think there's potential. This seems to be Carey trying to get around the fact the editors mandated Legacy be a solo book. It could turn out to be Rogue trying to help mutants control their powers with Gambit providing an.....alternate take on education like in issue #11 of his second solo.

That's kinda where my mind went when it said she would be dealing with the kids. Rogue is the ultimate poster child for a mutant needing to control their powers, so who better to teach the youngsters about it? Sure, one could argue it took her forever to do so, but we'll see.

Don't know about the Gambit thing though.

[Manic]

Here's hoping that no one from Gambit's old training squad shows up. I don't think anyone liked Bling! or Onyxx.

Speaking of which, I hope Mystique doesn't rear her blue & red head in this comic anytime soon. Manifest Destiny heavily implied that Iceman (who is nowhere to be seen in ANY comic) is her new obsession.

[squeekness]

Okay, so I tend to drown out the fact that majority of the New X-Men were killed for shock value by everyone's favorite X-Men writing duo. What can I say? I try to tone out ****** writing. :o
How can I forget? Jay was a fave of mine. :(

I can see where she's coming from. With Carey, Gambit has a tendancy to get overshadowed by Rogue(understatement), and by adding a bunch of kids in as a secondary focus it seems likely Gambit is just going to get overshadowed a second time over to the point he may as well not even be in the book.

I think there's potential. This seems to be Carey trying to get around the fact the editors mandated Legacy be a solo book. It could turn out to be Rogue trying to help mutants control their powers with Gambit providing an.....alternate take on education like in issue #11 of his second solo.This will probably happen. :waa:

[GambitXremy]

I wonder how Scott will be with Gambit!!!

[katie_girl09]

I always thought that they could have an interesting relationship. I hope they play it up. That would be fun, I think.

[Canemacar]

Whelp, looks like Gambit is heading back to limbo.

http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21683

Carey says the focus is going to be squarely on Rogue though Danger will appear a lot because she's still finding her way among the X-men. He said the "overwhelming" focus of the book is going to be Rogue's interaction with the students. Meanwhile, Gambit will appear "from time to time".

[Specter313]

For several months now, writer Mike Carey has used his ongoing Marvel Comics series “X-Men Legacy” as a vehicle to reexamine the past of Charles Xavier and the titular team of mutants he founded. Xavier’s probe of his past comes to an end in this month’s “X-Men: Legacy” #225, so it’s time to start looking at the present and the future. In September’s “X-Men Legacy Annual” #1, Carey and artist Daniel Acuña kick off a new present-day direction for the book. CBR News spoke with Carey about what readers can expect from the special issue and the series.

When the long-running “X-Men” title morphed into “X-Men: Legacy” with last year’s issue #208, the book followed Charles Xavier’s solo quest to come to terms with and recover his past after an assassination attempt left him with amnesia. Xavier’s journey has come to an end, but that doesn’t mean “Legacy” will go back to being a team book. The series will now follow the adventures of one of Carey’s favorite X-characters, Rogue.

“We have one solo protagonist, but that doesn’t preclude us from bringing in a very big, varied, and rich supporting cast,” Carey told CBR. “The idea here is that Rogue is taking on a new role within the X-Men. There’s a scene quite early on, which kind of parallels the scene in ‘X-Men’ #188 when Cyclops made Rogue a team leader. But what he’s asking her to do this time is very different.”

Rogue’s new role will be the second big change Carey has implemented in recent months. “X-Men Legacy” #224 saw Professor Xavier use his telepathic powers to allow Rogue to finally enjoy physical contact with other people, something her mutant powers previously made impossible. Rogue’s newfound ability doesn’t mean she’ll no longer be herself – just a more extreme version. “She’s been set free by the procedure Xavier has carried out on her, so it’s not that she’s going to change,” Carey explained. “I think we might see a more emphatic restatement of the Rogue we used to see back in the’80s and ‘90s.”

“X-Men Legacy Annual” #1 is the beginning of a new story arc for the series and finds Rogue being offered her new position within the X-Men. “It has Rogue coming back to the X-Men and talking with Cyclops about her future with the team as she sees and he sees it,” Carey explained. “He offers her this new definition of her role and duties and initially she’s not 100 percent keen on taking it on. There are very good reasons why Cyclops is offering her this position at this time. Some of them relate to this Summer’s ‘Dark Avengers/Uncanny X-Men: Utopia’ crossover and what Rogue does within that story.”

Rogue’s new role isn’t a leadership one, but more of a liaison-type position. “That’s one of the reasons she’s not totally happy, because it seems that in some ways she’s being taken off the front line, where she feels she belongs, and being given a consolation prize,” Carey said. “It’s a very marked change of arena for her, she’s not sure how she feels about it.”

Mike Carey plans on using “X-Men Legacy Annual” #1 to not only set up Rogue's new status quo but also to reintroduce the old X-villain Emplate, who originally menaced the “Generation X” team of mutants. “I was a big fan of ‘Generation X,’” Carey said. “I think what’s interesting about Emplate at this particular junction in X-Men history is that he’s a mutant who feeds on other mutants, and now there aren’t really any other mutants left. There are fewer than 200 mutants in the world and we have to assume that since ‘Decimation’ [the storyline which saw the ranks of Marvel’s mutants drastically reduced] he’s been starving.

“We have him seeking out the X-Men, but he’s very wily and plays the long game, which is why he held onto the character of Penance for so long in ‘Generation X.’ He’s not out for the quick feed. He’s out to solve this problem, which is that his food source has become extremely limited and likely to disappear at any moment.”

The new direction of “X-Men Legacy” will also bring Rogue into contact with a large cast of supporting characters. “We’ll continue to see characters like Gambit and Danger. They’ll appear from time to time and initially Danger will appear in the book a lot because like Rogue, she's someone who's finding her way in the X-Men after not having been around them for some time. She needs to find out what her place is in this new status quo,” Carey explained. “Overwhelmingly though, you'll be seeing Rogue in relation to the younger generation of students. That's the role Cyclops offers her and within that we have a lot of choice and flexibility. Some students will be at the forefront to begin with and others will be gradually introduced into the book.”

The younger mutants that Rogue interacts with include a who's who of characters from New X-Men and Young X-Men. “I think it's fair to say that Bling is a very important character and Trance, who is important in issues #226-227 of the series, continues to play a key role,” Carey revealed. “We'll also be seeing a lot of characters like Indra, Loa, and Hellion.”

Unlike Xavier's finite quest, Rogue's goal with the younger generation of mutants is something that will be explored for the book's foreseeable future. “It will continue as long as there are young mutants who need what she's offering – who can benefit from her help,” Carey said. “So it's not a role that's likely to disappear anytime soon. It has to do with the younger generation stepping into their adult roles and how difficult and traumatic that's likely to be for them.”

Carey is very happy that the new direction for Rogue and “X-Men Legacy” will first be depicted by artist Daniel Acuña. “He's doing a lovely job on this [Annual] issue,” the writer remarked. “So far the art has been very exciting.”

When “X-Men Legacy” was about Professor X's investigation into his past, the title reexamined many of the X-Men's classic adventures, but going forward with Rogue the series is going to be all about present-day events. However, the book will not drop the “Legacy” subtitle. “The focus on past continuity really arose directly out of the situation Xavier was in, and that quest has now ended. So this is a very different kind of book,” Carey stated. “The ‘Legacy’ title continues to be relevant, though, and that's why we haven't changed it. It's still about the legacy of the X-Men but not through the exploration of past storylines. It's about that legacy being carried forward into the future.”

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/1225/1245460736.jpg

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/1405/1245461216.jpg

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21683


I kinda like that redesign on Rogue's costume.

[squeekness]

Whelp, looks like Gambit is heading back to limbo.

http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21683

Carey says the focus is going to be squarely on Rogue though Danger will appear a lot because she's still finding her way among the X-men. He said the "overwhelming" focus of the book is going to be Rogue's interaction with the students. Meanwhile, Gambit will appear "from time to time".
*&^ker. :mad: I thought Carey said "..Gambit fans would be happy with my treatment of the character." Poser.

[JustABill]

So basically he's using all the Young X-Men no one wanted to see minus Hellion? NO game, Carey. No game. To think you almost had me. :o

[Canemacar]

I really don't see much reason to stick around the X-franchise these days. I have liked very little to come out of Marvel in the last few years and their increasing desire to pretend Gambit doesn't exist just pushes me farther and farther away. The only comics I collect right now are X-men forever and Hellboy and once Forever ends, I think I'll leave well enough alone with the X-men.

[Specter313]

*&^ker. :mad: I thought Carey said "..Gambit fans would be happy with my treatment of the character." Poser.

Chill Squeeks, breathe. We don't know how long "time to time" will be. It could mean he's in every other issue or so. It's not like he said he's shuffling Gambit off on some missions where he'll never interact with Rogue or anyone else. Or maybe it's cause Fraction or someone else wants to use him. There's plenty of things it could mean.

[Specter313]

So basically he's using all the Young X-Men no one wanted to see minus Hellion? NO game, Carey. No game. To think you almost had me. :o

Pfft. Watch, he'll have Dust or Surge or someone else like that show up and you'll be all, "Ok, ya gots me again."

[squeekness]

Chill Squeeks, breathe. We don't know how long "time to time" will be. It could mean he's in every other issue or so. It's not like he said he's shuffling Gambit off on some missions where he'll never interact with Rogue or anyone else. Or maybe it's cause Fraction or someone else wants to use him. There's plenty of things it could mean.Nothing would please me more. Maybe someone else needs to write him for a while.

[UraniaChang]

Seems that I'll be saying goodbye to this title for at least a while...I don't buy titles centering on characters I have no interests.

[iamlegend]

I really don't see much reason to stick around the X-franchise these days. I have liked very little to come out of Marvel in the last few years and their increasing desire to pretend Gambit doesn't exist just pushes me farther and farther away. The only comics I collect right now are X-men forever and Hellboy and once Forever ends, I think I'll leave well enough alone with the X-men.

Ditto this.

Carey finally has what he wanted... a Rogue solo-series that gets top of the line billing, being one of the X-Verse's Big Three.

And working with the younger mutants? I sense ten billion self-righteous Rogue rants coming.

[Charlie No-One]

So basically he's using all the Young X-Men no one wanted to see minus Hellion? NO game, Carey. No game. To think you almost had me. :o

Exactly. Who they hell is Trance and Bling? That ugly spikey girl from the issue where they let Mystique in the X-Men?

[javi1024]

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/1225/1245460736.jpg



http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21683


I kinda like that redesign on Rogue's costume.
i dont. i loved the simplicity of that costume, but the x's and the scarf and all take away from it now.

[Manic]

The scarf makes her look like a pilot.

[javi1024]

i didnt know the Red Baron was still alive.

[Manic]

Maybe she's a refugee from the Steampunk X-Men Universe from that Ghost Boxes miniseries.

[Canemacar]

The scarf makes her look like a pilot.

A logical extension of her old bomber jacket. I wonder when she'll start wearing goggles and a rebreather?

[UraniaChang]

The scarf makes it dangerous for her to go hand-in-hand in a fight.


What am I talking about, the first priority of costumes is to make them look good, in comic world's theory obviously.

[Havok83]

The scarf makes her look like a pilot.
Who the hell goes fighting with a scarf tied around their neck. She looks like she's just begging to be choked

[Specter313]

Who the hell goes fighting with a scarf tied around their neck. She looks like she's just begging to be choked

Well, the same could almost be said for capes too. Where's Edna Mode when ya need her?

[javi1024]

No Capes!

[Manic]

Does Rogue have her invulnerability back? Because if she does, choking shouldn't be an issue unless that scarf is made of a ridiculously durable fabric.

[javi1024]

her slate was totally cleaned. all she has is Mystique in her head.

[Specter313]

She doesn't even have that anymore. Xavier got rid of her to help Rogue control her powers.

[Havok83]

Well, the same could almost be said for capes too. Where's Edna Mode when ya need her?
LOL...I found this pic. Ms. Marvel proves exactly why the scarf isnt a good idea. Doesnt Rogue have her memories swimming inside that head of hers

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/7411/msmarvel6o.jpg (http://img32.imageshack.us/i/msmarvel6o.jpg/)

[javi1024]

She doesn't even have that anymore. Xavier got rid of her to help Rogue control her powers.
oh thats right. so is Mystique back then?

[javi1024]

LOL...I found this pic. Ms. Marvel proves exactly why the scarf isnt a good idea. Doesnt Rogue have her memories swimming inside that head of hers
not anymore.

[Manic]

oh thats right. so is Mystique back then?
She was last seen chasing Iceman across the country. When they finally reached San Francisco, she promised to continue to stalk him, and trick him into falling in love with her.

[javi1024]

She was last seen chasing Iceman across the country. When they finally reached San Francisco, she promised to continue to stalk him, and trick him into falling in love with her.
was that Manifest Destiny?

[Manic]

was that Manifest Destiny?
Yep. It was the only recurring segment in the miniseries, and it was written by (wait for it...) Carey.

[javi1024]

i just had a thought: what if Marvel is using Legacy to showcase certain characters in X-Men's history? it started off with Xavier reliving his decisions and its consequences, now its gonna be about Rogue. what if in 12 issues it switches gears to Hank, then Peter, then Scott? i think i could handle this book being that format and then turn Astonishing into a monthly with a different team.

[Manic]

If that's the case, then I had better be seeing Iceman take over this book in 12 issues. He's doing absolutely nothing right now.

[iamlegend]

i just had a thought: what if Marvel is using Legacy to showcase certain characters in X-Men's history? it started off with Xavier reliving his decisions and its consequences, now its gonna be about Rogue. what if in 12 issues it switches gears to Hank, then Peter, then Scott? i think i could handle this book being that format and then turn Astonishing into a monthly with a different team.

From what Carey has said about the story now that Rogue's in charge, I severely doubt it. This is going to be a Rogue-centric story for as long as Mike Carey is on the book.

And when he leaves, whatever book he goes to will become Rogue-centric... :whatever:

[Colossal Spoons]

Just read 225. Easily the least boring issue of this book to date. Kudos Carey :up:

[Canemacar]

Well, Carey has confirmed Gambit won't be in the Legacy Annual or very much afterwards. It's a bit confusing since earlier he said we would have a look-in on Gambit to establish what he's doing and provide teasers for the future.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/060923-XLegacy-Annual.html

[squeekness]

Jerk. :mad: :waa:

[iamlegend]

Well, Carey has confirmed Gambit won't be in the Legacy Annual or very much afterwards. It's a bit confusing since earlier he said we would have a look-in on Gambit to establish what he's doing and provide teasers for the future.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/060923-XLegacy-Annual.html

Eh, Carey's said a lot of things about Gambit that never came true. He just placates.

I suppose it's possible Gambit may be joining another book. He is "returning" to the X-Men in San Francisco along with Rogue and Danger according to Legacy solicits. He may wind up getting shuffled somewhere else.

More likely he's just getting sent to limbo again, though. Sigh.

[Manic]

Gambit and Iceman should have their own team, along with the New/Young X-Men and Good Juggernaut.

[iamlegend]

Gambit and Iceman should have their own team, along with the New/Young X-Men and Good Juggernaut.

Well that just wouldn't work... they'd never be able to do anything proactive, because the dialogue between the characters would be entertaining enough.

[Colossal Spoons]

Do Remy and Bobby have good chemistry together? Don't think I've seen them together since Golgotha. /barf

[Manic]

They've certainly been on teams together constantly, but I think Carey and Milligan spent too much time giving all of Gambit's time to Rogue to develop his friendships with other characters.

[UraniaChang]

They can compare their messy love life to each other.

Mystique VS. Rogue.

[UraniaChang]

Oops!

[Manic]

They've both had Mystique. I guess that's a conversation starter.

[Colossal Spoons]

Oh, Foxx. How I don't miss thee.

[Canemacar]

They can compare their messy love life to each other.

Mystique VS. Rogue.

After the last couple years, I could see them forming a He-Man Woman Haters Club ala the Little Rascals.

[katie_girl09]

Its funny. The only reason I ever even read Legacy like I did (and even then, I didn't read/buy it all the time) was because Gambit was in it. Its as if he used Gambit's popularity to make people read his boring-ass stories about Rogue. I am done with this title. I might find out what happens from summaries, but I'm not buying this again. Carey is such a Rogue fanboy that it actually stops him from being a good writer.

[The Englishman]

Gambit and Iceman should have their own team, along with the New/Young X-Men and Good Juggernaut.

Well that just wouldn't work... they'd never be able to do anything proactive, because the dialogue between the characters would be entertaining enough.

They've certainly been on teams together constantly, but I think Carey and Milligan spent too much time giving all of Gambit's time to Rogue to develop his friendships with other characters.
I think these two would actually work well together and it would be an interesting friendship if the writers would actually use the two characters.

[Havok83]

Do Remy and Bobby have good chemistry together? Don't think I've seen them together since Golgotha. /barf
I beleive they had a little bit of animosity in the 90s bc of Rogue. Rogue left the X-men following her kiss with Gambit and Bobby tagged along with her. (which reminds me of the cover below) They got close but nothing really came out of that. I dont really remember much from their Milligan run. Milligan had the characters on his team isolated too much. It was Havok/Lorna/Bobby on one side and then Gambit/Rogue on the other with Wolverine and Emma in the middle. There wasnt much cross interaction between characters

this issue probably has some of the best Iceman/Gambit interaction
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/4194/xmen04500.jpg (http://img209.imageshack.us/i/xmen04500.jpg/)

[squeekness]

Look how nice and long Remy's hair is there. :D

[mightiest_mortal]

I beleive they had a little bit of animosity in the 90s bc of Rogue. Rogue left the X-men following her kiss with Gambit and Bobby tagged along with her. (which reminds me of the cover below) They got close but nothing really came out of that.

I actually really liked the two hanging out as friends back then. Bobby and Rogue had good (non relationshippy) chemistry. Bobby never really seemed to like Gambit at all but I think it was more because he just kept messing Rogue around and treating her like crap rather than anything actually between him and Gambit.

[Canemacar]

I actually really liked the two hanging out as friends back then. Bobby and Rogue had good (non relationshippy) chemistry. Bobby never really seemed to like Gambit at all but I think it was more because he just kept messing Rogue around and treating her like crap rather than anything actually between him and Gambit.

I always took it as jealousy on Bobby's part. He spent a lot of time telling Rogue how horrible Gambit was, and made a lot of it up. He made a stink about Gambit having a wife, for example, but it was Gambit who announced who she was the moment she showed up.

[Havok83]

Bobby is used to playing second fiddle to the women he's interested in. I got a Polaris/Havok deja vu when they put him in the middle of Rogue/Gambit but forutnetly for him it didnt get that far.

[squeekness]

Poor Bobby. He never gets the girl. :(

[Manic]

There's one girl who wants him, but she's a little insane and at least 100 years older than him.

[squeekness]

I wonder how much Mystique reallly wants him. I think he's a plaything to her. :(

[Manic]

Probably. I don't think Mystique has truly loved anyone since Destiny died.

[iamlegend]

I wonder how much Mystique reallly wants him. I think he's a plaything to her. :(

He can thank Wolverine...

God, the ending to that storyline was so stupid and was just a waste in general...

[Havok83]

Bobby went from a slight flirtation with Rogue to full on sex with her mother. WTF was Carey thinking with that pairing? I was cringing that crap

[iamlegend]

Bobby went from a slight flirtation with Rogue to full on sex with her mother. WTF was Carey thinking with that pairing? I was cringing that crap

My reasoning:

1. Carey has shown some interest in Bobby. It's probably safe to say that Iceman is his favorite male character, or at least his favorite male character that's not tied up near permanently by other writers.

2. Carey has displayed a near obsession with Mystique... maybe due to her connection to Rogue. I really don't know. But he's gone on record in interviews calling her one of the most dangerous people in the Marvel universe, etc. etc. and had her take down one of the remaining pillars of the X-Men villain community (Sinister) like he was a helpless child.

3. He couldn't just pair Bobby with Rogue because there was so much else he apparently had to set up. Like her becoming a demi-God or whatever the hell is going on.

Put all those together and it seems pretty clean to me. He's pairing two of his favorites together (a male character he's connected to and a female character he views as some uber queen of the mutants), story lines, continuity and common sense be dammed.

[UraniaChang]

He sure has some weird tastes in women.

[squeekness]

A lot of people like Rogue and Mystique... I'm just not one of them. :(

[UraniaChang]

I'm not sure if they're fond of the images of these characters in comics or the prettified ones in their imagination.

[Specter313]

Bobby went from a slight flirtation with Rogue to full on sex with her mother. WTF was Carey thinking with that pairing? I was cringing that crap

That was one of the only things I didn't care about during Carey's initial run. Especially since all it did was to lead up to Mystique wacking Iceman with her poison p***y.

[GambitXremy]

http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2975&disp=table


All ready sounds like careys back on track

[squeekness]

Seriously?

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/squeekness/Gambit/cykejerksnap.jpg

Can someone please remind me exactly WHEN the Xs tried to save Remy from Apocolypse OR Sinister? Cuz I shure as hell missed it. :mad:

[JustABill]

Oh, Carey you've won me over! Cyclops telling Gambit just how unimportant he is? I'm in. :D

[javi1024]

i really hope Rogue's control over her powers is permanent (like forever permanent). the last thing she needs is some writer 5 years down the road thinking they can bring something new and fresh to her tired-ass "i cant get close to people without hurting them" story.

[Specter313]

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4862/prv2975cov.jpg

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/9959/prv2975pg1.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8954/prv2975pg2.jpg

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/654/prv2975pg3.jpg

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X-MEN: LEGACY #226


STORY BY Mike Carey
ART BY Dustin Weaver
COVER BY Terry Dodson, Rachel Dodson
PUBLISHER: Marvel Comics
COVER PRICE: $2.99
RELEASE DATE: Wed, July 8th, 2009

UTOPIA TIE-IN Rogue, Gambit and Danger go to join the X-Men in San Francisco, only to find it in flames. The Dark Avengers have come into town and are taking no prisoners. Wait, the whole problem is that they ARE taking prisoners. Norman Osborn has the city of San Francisco in the palm of his hands and mutants are being forced to take sides. Will they side with Cyclops and the X-Men? Or go to Osborn and his Dark X-Men? What side will the returning mutants and one of the X-Men’s most powerful foes take? Part 1 (of 2)

[Havok83]

Seriously?

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/squeekness/Gambit/cykejerksnap.jpg

Can someone please remind me exactly WHEN the Xs tried to save Remy from Apocolypse OR Sinister? Cuz I shure as hell missed it. :mad:
Guess it happened off panel sometime after Blood of Apocalypse. This is the first Ive heard of it

[javi1024]

i keep looking at Rogue and saying "this guy keeps forgetting to draw her gloves :oldrazz:. but his Cyclops looks wierd, too blocky or something.

[Canemacar]

He's talking to Rogue. They tried to rescue Rogue twice in Messiah Complex.

[Havok83]

He's talking to Rogue. They tried to rescue Rogue twice in Messiah Complex.
thanks. That makes more sense now

[javi1024]

now i'm confused- when did Rogue escape the Marauders? is he talking about Blinded by the Light/ Messiah Complex?

[Havok83]

now i'm confused- when did Rogue escape the Marauders? is he talking about Blinded by the Light/ Messiah Complex?
Yes. The Maurarders took her during Messiah Complex. After she was freed from them at the end of that arc, she went off to Australia alone

[GambitXremy]

Seriously?

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Can someone please remind me exactly WHEN the Xs tried to save Remy from Apocolypse OR Sinister? Cuz I shure as hell missed it. :mad:

cyke is talking about rogue not gambit

[UraniaChang]

Ah, Scott is being passive aggressive there. :woot:

[katie_girl09]

Jeez! Scott is so... judgemental. He doesn't poop roses, ya know!

[GambitXremy]

Jeez! Scott is so... judgemental. He doesn't poop roses, ya know!


cyclops is just acting concern like a parent would if there child didn't come home on time, hahaha thats funny

[Manic]

Heh. I just thought about it. With Rogue, Gambit, and Danger all arriving together, they're basically a team of ex-villains.

[squeekness]

cyke is talking about rogue not gambit

Ah, Scott is being passive aggressive there. :woot:Oh, so Scott just isn't fazed at all by Gambit's presence? Gambit ain't even a blip on his radar? Carey, you suck ass. :(

[GambitXremy]

the whole reason cyke is giving rogue a hard time is because of gambit and danger, and that she took off with out telling anyone

[UraniaChang]

That's why he's being pasive-aggressive about her presence, cause everyone else would just cuddle her.

[Manic]

That doesn't make any sense. Charles was presumably dead, and the X-Men disbanded. Practically everyone just took off. Charles and Gambit are the only people who even tried to look for her after the battle in Scotland.

Scott has every right to be suspicious of Danger (and possibly Gambit, though god knows Scott hasn't acknowledged his presence since Blood of Apocalypse), but he can't really be pissed off at Rogue disappearing to Australia the same week he and Emma disappeared to the Savage Land. Also, Kurt, Logan, and Peter disappeared to Russia at the time, the kids all scattered across the country (Megan back in Wales), Bobby stayed in New York, Hank was likely working for SWORD, Sam & Bobby#2 were in the Hellfire Club, and Charles didn't have the decency to tell anyone he wasn't dead until long after the team had settled in San Francisco.

Oh, but that little tart Rogue had the audacity to not call! :whatever:

[iamlegend]

Oh, so Scott just isn't fazed at all by Gambit's presence? Gambit ain't even a blip on his radar? Carey, you suck ass. :(

Well, the reason Cyke is antsy is because Gambit and Danger are there.

However, Carey is ignoring how Gambit's role in Messiah Complex ended... ya know, when he gave Scott the Mutant Messiah firsthand.

But that's typical Carey. I hate him.

[Canemacar]

Since Gambit seems to be parting ways with Rogue and company, I wonder if he'll side against her and the X-men during Utopia? Or if he'll just go maverick and do his own thing? It's not like he feels any great loyalty to Scott or any of the other X-men at the moment.

[GambitXremy]

Well, the reason Cyke is antsy is because Gambit and Danger are there.

However, Carey is ignoring how Gambit's role in Messiah Complex ended... ya know, when he gave Scott the Mutant Messiah firsthand.

But that's typical Carey. I hate him.

Gambit handed the mutant messiah to Prof. X not Cyclops

[GambitXremy]

That doesn't make any sense. Charles was presumably dead, and the X-Men disbanded. Practically everyone just took off. Charles and Gambit are the only people who even tried to look for her after the battle in Scotland.

Scott has every right to be suspicious of Danger (and possibly Gambit, though god knows Scott hasn't acknowledged his presence since Blood of Apocalypse), but he can't really be pissed off at Rogue disappearing to Australia the same week he and Emma disappeared to the Savage Land. Also, Kurt, Logan, and Peter disappeared to Russia at the time, the kids all scattered across the country (Megan back in Wales), Bobby stayed in New York, Hank was likely working for SWORD, Sam & Bobby#2 were in the Hellfire Club, and Charles didn't have the decency to tell anyone he wasn't dead until long after the team had settled in San Francisco.

Oh, but that little tart Rogue had the audacity to not call! :whatever:


you just like complaining!!!

[squeekness]

Since Gambit seems to be parting ways with Rogue and company, I wonder if he'll side against her and the X-men during Utopia? Or if he'll just go maverick and do his own thing? It's not like he feels any great loyalty to Scott or any of the other X-men at the moment.Why should he? They basically treated him like crap anyhow. :(

[Manic]

you just like complaining!!!
Why the hell did Ro and T'Challa get married so quickly? Why does no one bring up Emma's involvement in creating the Dark Phoenix? Why is Monet so white? Why are Kyle & Yost? Why are Kyle & Yost?!

[iamlegend]

Since Gambit seems to be parting ways with Rogue and company, I wonder if he'll side against her and the X-men during Utopia? Or if he'll just go maverick and do his own thing? It's not like he feels any great loyalty to Scott or any of the other X-men at the moment.

Seeing as how he hasn't appeared in solicits or rumors for ANYTHING lately, I'd imagine he's just going to "do his own thing" AKA go back to limbo.

There's simply no news about where the character's going, which makes limbo the only real option.

[squeekness]

Seeing as how he hasn't appeared in solicits or rumors for ANYTHING lately, I'd imagine he's just going to "do his own thing" AKA go back to limbo.

There's simply no news about where the character's going, which makes limbo the only real option.:waa:

[iamlegend]

:waa:

While I'm a little dis-heartened too, it's better than some of the alternatives...

1. Staying with Rogue.
2. Joining Cyke's group and remaining a submissive character courtesy of the Cyke fanboy writers currently in charge.
3. Joining the Dark X-Men and remaining a submissive character to the Emma/Namor tandem.

So basically, limbo's probably for the best. Man, the X-World isn't in great shape right now.

[GambitXremy]

I dont think anyones ever going to be happy with how Gambits written, I think we all love the early 90's Gambit way way to much!

[squeekness]

I know I do. It's pretty much been all him being Rogue's lapdog or mistreated since then. :(

[GambitXremy]

I know I do. It's pretty much been all him being Rogue's lapdog or mistreated since then. :(

you started to write gambit like, like who was the first to really start ****ing up remy

[squeekness]

^^ I can't quite make out what you were tyring to say there, but my fanfic scribble is starting to look better and better to me these days. :p

[Canemacar]

So basically, limbo's probably for the best. Man, the X-World isn't in great shape right now.

Maybe not. Carey's passed on a rumor that Lowe's got something planned with Gambit while he's away from Legacy. He also posted this tidbit on his blog a few days ago:

"And today I wrote a Gambit short – the whole thing, from the weird little page roughs I draw for myself all the way through to the finished script. It was one of those situations where the story has to fit into quite a small narrative space – where some of the beats before and after are set in stone. They’re often kind of perplexing and fretful to write, but this time it all clicked. Or it seemed to, anyway. Just sent the script in about a half hour ago, and I’m waiting for a response…"

[iamlegend]

Maybe not. Carey's passed on a rumor that Lowe's got something planned with Gambit while he's away from Legacy. He also posted this tidbit on his blog a few days ago:

"And today I wrote a Gambit short – the whole thing, from the weird little page roughs I draw for myself all the way through to the finished script. It was one of those situations where the story has to fit into quite a small narrative space – where some of the beats before and after are set in stone. They’re often kind of perplexing and fretful to write, but this time it all clicked. Or it seemed to, anyway. Just sent the script in about a half hour ago, and I’m waiting for a response…"

Interesting. He does seem driven to write the character, at the least, even if I don't like his take on Gambit in most cases.

And I'd love to see Gumbo pop up in something non-Carey related for a bit. I'm just afraid he'd wind up getting tied to the Dark X-Men or something along those lines... which would be a typecast for the character and nothing new and/or original.

[GambitXremy]

^^ I can't quite make out what you were tyring to say there, but my fanfic scribble is starting to look better and better to me these days. :p


Sorry i mean who was the first writer to start writing gambit as a lap dog to rouge

[squeekness]

Whoever picked up things after his first ongoing I'd say. He's been pretty stagnant or misused since then. :(

[Specter313]

X-Men: Legacy #227 by Greg Land

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[Colossal Spoons]

:sigh:

[iamlegend]

:sigh:

Couldn't have put it better...

The X-Books are nearly dead to me.

[Colossal Spoons]

This Dark Avengers crossover is a breath of fresh air but X-Force and New Mutants are my favs at this point. Uncanny needs to step up...big time.

[squeekness]

Wow, as if I couldn't be more annoyed with Rogue than I already was. :(

[UraniaChang]

Wow, such a big mouth.

[GambitXremy]

I hate lands art

[JustABill]

Wow, such a big mouth.
It's the porn star tracing at it's best. :o

[Mad Ones]

It's hard to be engaged with these characters when they're drawn with the same phony faces and inappropriate expressions. But I actually liked his art in Phoenix: Endsong, and now I can't stand it. I don't know what happened.

I really dislike that Rogue cover.

This Dark Avengers crossover is a breath of fresh air but X-Force and New Mutants are my favs at this point. Uncanny needs to step up...big time.

I'm really hoping once Dark Avengers is over Uncanny will get better. Maybe it just needs a little shakeup to take it in a better direction.

[katie_girl09]

X-Men: Legacy #227 by Greg Land

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Why hasn't he gotten sacked yet? I've heard so many people complain about his art. I guess a lot of other people like him? *Sigh*

[Manic]

He probably makes deadlines, which is a rare skill for Marvel's artists.

[Havok83]

I like Land's art. He's definetly not the worst Marvel has as we have had some downright terrible art on the X books in recent years

[squeekness]

Why couldn't they have made a Gambit cover? :(

[Manic]

I like Land's art. He's definetly not the worst Marvel has as we have had some downright terrible art on the X books in recent years
Stroman! :cmad:

[Havok83]

Why couldn't they have made a Gambit cover? :(Bc this is now a Rogue title

Stroman! :cmad:
most definetly. Great example. Id rather look at Land's art any days over his

[Manic]

I'd rather look at Liefeld's art than Stroman's. Liefeld might lack knowledge of human anatomy (especially female), reuse parts of older drawings, copy panel layouts from other artists, totally screw up scale, and forget to draw limbs and appendages, but at least his characters are recognizably human.

[UraniaChang]

They most definitely don't have weird rear ends.

[JustABill]

Stroman, Ramos, and to a lesser extent Bachalo are pretty much instantly who I think of when I think of the worst art being shoved around Marvel right now. Land has had some stuff in the past I love. But now he's just meh.

[Manic]

Bachalo wouldn't bother me if he was a decent storyteller and learned how to draw a background. As it is, his action sequences literally consist of him drawing individual characters in action poses, and pasting them in random positions over a background made entirely of ink spills. Sometimes he also draws little pigs in the corner just because he knows no editor will catch it in all the chaos.

Keep the man away from action, and he's alright. I had no problems when he drew Vertigo's Death.

[spark627]

I hate Bachalo. I can never figure out what is happening and his costumes are all extremely over designed.

[Havok83]

Though Bachalo is nowhere near as good as he was in the past, I tend to like his art as well

[Colossal Spoons]

On the topic of art: I kinda like Ramos, not sure why people dislike him. Bachalo only does good work on Spider-Man IMO :o

I'm really hoping once Dark Avengers is over Uncanny will get better. Maybe it just needs a little shakeup to take it in a better direction.

It needs Magneto lol. I'll settle for Exodus too though :p

[UraniaChang]

Bachalo wouldn't bother me if he was a decent storyteller and learned how to draw a background. As it is, his action sequences literally consist of him drawing individual characters in action poses, and pasting them in random positions over a background made entirely of ink spills. Sometimes he also draws little pigs in the corner just because he knows no editor will catch it in all the chaos.

Keep the man away from action, and he's alright. I had no problems when he drew Vertigo's Death.


I found that to be funny, pity that I never caught them. :woot:

[katie_girl09]

So does anyone know of the new Legacy is going to have Gambit in it at all? I have to know so that if it doesn't I'll take it off my subscription list.
(Yeah that's right. That's exactly what I said.)

[iamlegend]

So does anyone know of the new Legacy is going to have Gambit in it at all? I have to know so that if it doesn't I'll take it off my subscription list.
(Yeah that's right. That's exactly what I said.)

Nope, he's gone after 227. Carey said Gambit will have a backup story in the Legacy Annual, but outside of that it looks like Gumbo's getting shelved until 2010.

[Manic]

Sometimes he also draws little pigs in the corner just because he knows no editor will catch it in all the chaos.
I found that to be funny, pity that I never caught them. :woot:
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[Manic]

Wait. Turns out I'm not done yet...

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EXTREME CLOSE-UP!

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[katie_girl09]

Nope, he's gone after 227. Carey said Gambit will have a backup story in the Legacy Annual, but outside of that it looks like Gumbo's getting shelved until 2010.
Okay. Thanks.
*Removes Legacy from list*

[Specter313]

Nope, he's gone after 227. Carey said Gambit will have a backup story in the Legacy Annual, but outside of that it looks like Gumbo's getting shelved until 2010.

Again, no one said he's going anywhere. Carey has stated that he'll appear "from time to time", your hatred of him caused you to just jump to that conclusion.

[Specter313]

A perfect hero is a boring hero. Audiences enjoy protagonists who are imperfect because, basically, it enables them to relate.

X-Men member Rogue is just such a character: she’s made mistakes. She led a team of X-Men for awhile and bad things happened – lots of bad things. How much of the blame is rightfully hers is a matter of debate, but suffice it to say, she yearns for a second chance.

Thankfully, Rogue will get her shot at redemption in the pages of Marvel Comics' “X-Men: Legacy,” courtesy of writer Mike Carey.

CBR readers have many questions about Rogue’s new status quo, her leadership position with the X-Men, and her mutant powers. Mike Carey was kind enough to answer those queries and more in today’s all-new X-POSITION!

Ready to groove? Let’s Rogue n’ roll…

Story continues below

Mike, Hunter Lambright is the first to step up to the microphone, and he’s hoping you can shed some light about events on the horizon.

You've made no secret of the fact that you enjoy creating new villains (the Children of the Vault, Pandemic, Hecatomb). With Rogue once against leading the charge on this title, will you be revisiting any of these concepts? And are there more new villains on the way?

MIKE CAREY: Yes to both, Hunter. We'll be seeing one of those pre-“Legacy” bad guys again very soon, and I'll always want to preserve a balance between old and new. That's a big part of the fun of writing X-Men – raiding that rich back-story, but also adding new ingredients to the mix.

Now that Rogue has control over her skin, will she continue her on-again, off-again relationship with Gambit? Or will she start shopping around now that she has that luxury?

You'll have to wait and see. She's told Gambit that she needs some time to get her head around her new situation. But time is something that the X-Men don't often have on their side. Something will happen soon that will bring this question into the foreground.

As long as we’re talking about her powers, Gavin Devlin wanted to know more about the powers-personality link…

With Rogue's powers now more under control and her taking on a more passive role as a mentor to the next generation, does this mean that she'll be stepping down from the main action? Her uncontrollable powers always defined her as someone angstier and edgier – do you think she's lost this persona now that she has control over her life?

No, I really don't, Gavin. But let's distinguish between two things: Edgy - that's part of who she is. Angsty - that arose from a situation, and it's changed. I think she'll always have that edge, and she'll never submit to a passive role in anything that matters.

Quinn Hopkins sent in a query; however, it was in binary code:

Do you have any plans for Omega Sentinel to return to the forefront in future "Legacy" issues? You're the only writer that seems to make her work. Also, any chance of having her square off with Danger at some point? A fight between the two of them would be "01100101 01110000 01101001 01100011," to say the least.

I love Karima, and I'd definitely like to bring her back into the spotlight. And “Legacy” #225 has the Acolytes breaking up, which leaves her without a home again, so there are good reasons why we might see her soon. Omega Sentinel vs. Danger...wow. That would be something to see, wouldn't it?

Chrissstopher would like to see it, although he has some other ideas about interesting team-ups.

Will Danger be sticking around with Rogue? And if so, why? What is going on with Danger and what is she looking to gain by being with these humans? Wouldn't she want to hook up with Beast and his fringe science X-club? I mean, Madison Jeffries and Danger would make a hot couple!

I can't remember whether this was ever said in the “Salvage” arc, but my take on it is that Danger is looking for a context that makes sense for her to work and exist in. The X-Men are the only thing she knows, and she knows them with an obsessive, encyclopedic intimacy.

However ambivalent her feelings about them and her history with them, there's a sort of gravitational attraction there. In the first instance, she follows it. But she's not sticking with Rogue, per se. She's just coming back into the X-Men's orbit. And she does get to meet Jeffries, pretty early on in that process!

Faded Day is all about family, particularly families with a troubling history.

With her brother rearing his ugly head in the “X-Men: Legacy Annual,” will Monet St. Croix herself stop by to give her older sibling, Emplate, a visit?

We won't be seeing M in that arc, Faded Day. Or the twins, although with Emplate back in the picture, I'd say both of those confrontations are bound to happen soon.

Talmerian is wondering if the X-Men will be going down – Down Under, that is…

It was pretty cool seeing the X-Men's Australia base, especially since that was the status quo during the time that I got into the X-Men. Is there any chance we will see a return to that base? There was quite a bit of technology there, and it seems against Cyclops' pragmatism to leave an asset like that sitting around with no one using or protecting it.

I wouldn't rule it out, Talmerian. But it will probably be some ways down the line. You're right that there are some good reasons to go back there.

Caleb Warren had questions about some of the newer faces that will be appearing in the pages of “Legacy.”

In the new direction “X-Men: Legacy” is taking, you mentioned some of the X-students would have semi-important roles. Will these be their regular “student” roles, or are they going to be doing something a little more useful?

We're going to be seeing them growing into their adult lives and roles, Caleb – which is always a bumpy and complicated transition.

As this “transition” will be difficult, Alex was curious if Rogue will be receiving any assistance from her pals.

Will Rogue be taking on the responsibilities of looking after the X-kids by herself, or will she receive any kind of help (Cannonball, Iceman, Gambit)?

Cyke gives the commission to her in the first instance, Alex. But as when he made her team leader, she has a certain amount of discretion when she needs help with any aspect of the job. Expect to see a whole lot of other X-Men being drafted in along the way – and Remy, Sam and Bobby would definitely head the list of Rogue's go-to guys.

Kellen Doeden had a pair of questions about Rogue’s abilities – both in terms of her leadership and her powers:

On two separate occasions, once to Iceman and once to Rogue, Cyclops has basically said that Rogue is an incompetent leader and she needs to regain his trust. If this is the case, why would he put her in charge of kids, especially when he thought at one point that her leadership skills got his son killed?

I don't think that's what he said either time, Kellen. I know the conversations you're referencing, obviously, but go back and take another look. He said that he felt giving Rogue a team was an experiment that hadn't panned out, and he said that the X-Men's policy of giving people second chances had led to Cable's death.

I don't think he'd deny, even in his most jaundiced mood, that Rogue has skills the X-Men can use; he just doesn't currently see those skills being best used in a team leadership role. The other half of the answer is that this conversation occurs after the events of #227, and it has to be seen in the context of what happens there...

In issue #226 of “X-Men: Legacy,” Gambit tells Danger that Rogue cannot handle Ares' powers, although she has handled Thor's powers in the past. This seems a bit strange. If she can contain the life force of eight billion other beings, why can't she contain the powers of a Greek god?

Well, it wasn't the life force – and containing the memories and experiences of those eight billion people almost drove Rogue insane. Also, remember what happened when she touched Ms. Marvel: we know that Rogue's powers operate differently for humans and for other types of being. In this case, absorbing the power of a god is agonizing and traumatic for her.

On the topic of interacting with godly powers, Michael Batson sent in the following inquiry…

Will there be long term consequences of Rogue's close encounter with Ares? Rogue seems to yearn for the old days of super-strength and invulnerability...

They're certainly useful attributes – and I know there are a whole lot of fans who yearn for those days! Wait and see, Michael. There are some aspects of Rogue's now power-set that we haven't fully defined yet.

Jose Estrada wanted to know more about the lasting effects of Rogue’s “Legacy.”

With your book now focusing on Rogue’s saga, it seems that “Legacy” is becoming an X-book that spotlights one X-man/X-woman for a few arcs then switches to the next person – like an alternating solo book for the X-Men. Is this the case? And if so, which characters do you think would benefit from being re-introduced to a new generation in this way? Or is the focus on Rogue the permanent direction for this book?

The formula of solo protagonist plus totally flexible supporting cast seems to give us the best of all possible worlds, Jose: we can borrow X-Men from other teams, set up alliances and confrontations as we choose, and use our solo star as a linking element through a lot of different kinds of story. So I'm not seeing “Legacy” as an alternating solo book. It's more that Professor X's quest reached a natural conclusion, and we let it bridge us into something else.

Also, will “Legacy” be seeing a new regular penciller once Rogue’s saga begins? And will any flashbacks continue to utilize different pencillers?

We won't be using flashbacks in the way we did when it was Professor X's book, so that mix-and-match approach, fun though it was, won't be a staple in the Rogue stories. We will have a new regular penciller, who'll be announced shortly.

Our final email of the day comes all the way Argentina, courtesy of Matías Nieto. X-fandom knows no boundaries!

While the first part of your run focused on non-stop action, “Legacy” was completely different (although equally enjoyable) because of its focus on character development and atonement. What can we expect from this new era? Non-stop action? Something like Xavier’s trip? A mix of both? Or something completely different?

I'm going to say something completely different, Matías. We've got some wild stories lined up, against really scary adversaries, but they're mostly going to be really character-driven, too – without the exploration of past actions and motives that was such a big part of the Xavier arcs. The overall flavor will be most like the pre-“Legacy” arcs, but with enough important differences to make the new “Legacy” very much its own book.

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[Havok83]

Who is that using Cerebra? A Cuckoo?

[Canemacar]

Again, no one said he's going anywhere. Carey has stated that he'll appear "from time to time", your hatred of him caused you to just jump to that conclusion.

He has pretty much admitted Gambit is getting the boot in one of his facebook replies to a fan inquiry. I don't have facebook, so you're going to have to poke around his page a bit to find it if you want proof.

[mythog]

Just to help here are a few of his comments he has made about Gambit to me on his board.

mythogma says: July 8, 2009 at 8:23 pm (http://mikeandpeter.com/2009/07/a-whole-lot-of-marvel-stuff%e2%80%a6/comment-page-1/#comment-204)
Hey mike Love the new site, I read a few of your interviews and it sounds like Gambit is once again off to limbo after the this arc, until you use him again. It comes off like his part even as a supporting character in legacy has diminished a little. Can you tell us Gambit fans if there are any plans by marvel for Remy?

Mike Carey (http://mikeandpeter.com/) says:
July 9, 2009 at 8:36 am (http://mikeandpeter.com/2009/07/a-whole-lot-of-marvel-stuff%e2%80%a6/comment-page-1/#comment-209)
I’m trying to set something up in the Annual, mythogma. It’s just bouncing Gambit off in a different direction, and setting something up that I or another writer can then pay off.
I know exactly what you mean about how my statements on this subject have changed. Initially I said I wanted to use Remy in a way that wouldn’t make him an adjunct to Rogue’s story (as he was in Messiah Complex) – and then I said “but it’s not his book”. The comments reflect the way the concepy of Legacy has been evolving as we work through this first arc and define our terms. I still want to have Gambit as part of the cast, but I’m not sure how far I’m going to be free to play out big character beats for him. I’d rather not use him than just use him as intermittent cannon fodder. I still feel I can do that – I mean, can bring him in convincingly and satisfyingly – but I don’t want to make promises and then not keep them.






mythogma says: July 9, 2009 at 7:37 pm (http://mikeandpeter.com/2009/07/a-whole-lot-of-marvel-stuff%e2%80%a6/comment-page-1/#comment-211)
Well I guess it is back to Limbo then, since most of the other writers at marvel admitted to not wanting to use him and even liking the character. Thanks for the answer. At least I still have X-men Forever to get my Gambit fix.


Don’t – really, don’t – give up hope on the Gambit front. My back-up story for the Annual was approved, and it’s going to tease an ongoing mystery/crisis for Gambit, which will make it almost inevitable that you’ll see him again in a big role in 2010. Honest. I may even get to write it.

[squeekness]

Not feelin' the Gambit love, man. :(

[UraniaChang]

2010? So Carey can introduce Gambit back to X-Men in 2010 cause everyone, includes the characters in comics can pretend that he's a new member and no one ever mentions Romy again?

C:So what codename would you like to pick?

G:Um...Gambit?

C:...Interesting, someone used to use that one too.

G:Really? Where is he now?

C:Er...don't remember, he just shows up here and there, and oh, you see the girl with a thread of white hair on her head? They used to be in a relationship.

G:...She's pretty but Gambit has found that freedom is the one his heart meant for.

[Specter313]

Who is that using Cerebra? A Cuckoo?

Probably Mindee, I think that was the one who contacted Rogue in the last issue.

[squeekness]

2010? So Carey can introduce Gambit back to X-Men in 2010 cause everyone, includes the characters in comics can pretend that he's a new member and no one ever mentions Romy again?

C:So what codename would you like to pick?

G:Um...Gambit?

C:...Interesting, someone used to use that one too.

G:Really? Where is he now?

C:Er...don't remember, he just shows up here and there, and oh, you see the girl with a thread of white hair on her head? They used to be in a relationship.

G:...She's pretty but Gambit has found that freedom is the one his heart meant for.LOL, :p :up:

[Ipodman]

i love any issue with Gambit And Rogue on the cover... the recent issue with Danger was awesome imo...

[Specter313]

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X-MEN LEGACY #228
Written by MIKE CAREY
Pencils & Cover by *TO BE REVEALED AT SDCC*
Emplate is back and he’s out for blood. More specifically, for mutant bone marrow. And with the X-Men still reeling from Utopia, he may have picked the perfect time to come calling.
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

[Havok83]

Its about time Emplate returned. Too bad M wont be guest starring as well

[El Bastardo]

So, huh. I finally caught up on all my issues of Legacy.

[Havok83]

So, huh. I finally caught up on all my issues of Legacy.
and? What do you think of it?

[roach]

2010? So Carey can introduce Gambit back to X-Men in 2010 cause everyone, includes the characters in comics can pretend that he's a new member and no one ever mentions Romy again?

C:So what codename would you like to pick?

G:Um...Gambit?

C:...Interesting, someone used to use that one too.

G:Really? Where is he now?

C:Er...don't remember, he just shows up here and there, and oh, you see the girl with a thread of white hair on her head? They used to be in a relationship.

G:...She's pretty but Gambit has found that freedom is the one his heart meant for.


Marvel: "Gambit???? Nah what you need is a heavy dose of Scott, Emma and Logan...Look how much Scott and Emma love each other...they talk about sex...Jean never talked about sex"
Gambitfan:"Well yeah thats all neat but I like Gambit."
Marvel:"Oh look Wolverine is looking all mean and popping his claws..snikt."
Gambitfan:"So no Gambit this year huh?"
Marvel:"Yeah no that aint happening.....or maybe Phoenix comes back."

[El Bastardo]

and? What do you think of it?
I dunno.

Carey produces better writing when he's writing Xavier. That's not very surprising, though, because most people perform better outside of their comfort zones. There's a night-and-day difference, for instance, between his Xavier/Juggernaut issue (219) / Xavier/Acolytes issue (225) and the Rogue-centric arc lying between it. Even within that arc, he shines with the Shi'ar salvage crew. And wtf with Danger? I just reread Whedon's Astonishing run. The whole idea is that Danger can't actually kill. So what's going on up in SWORD, where Danger kills the agent? Small thing, totally irrelevant, but c'mon.

Continuing on, though - for all his love of Rogue, Carey fails miserably to make me care about the character. I don't hate Rogue, either. I just don't care for her. I don't hate her, but I don't like her. Capable writing should, in theory, make me care about her, even if not actually like her. Empathetic, versus sympathetic. But I don't care, and that just kind of cinches my above point that he writes better outside of his comfort zone.

It's not that he's an incapable writer, either. His new Vertigo series, The Unwritten, is ****ing phenomenal.

[GambitXremy]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/RichieSorrows/1248455863.jpg

[UraniaChang]

Reminds me of TheFly.

Whose picture is this?

[Colossal Spoons]

^The single creepiest post in this thread lol

[El Bastardo]

Emplate, right?

[GambitXremy]

Emplate, right?

ya i haven't seen that guy since Gen.X, leave it to Carey to dust him off :)

[JustABill]

Emplate? Hell, to the ****ing...yes. Just...hell...to...the...****ing....yes. :D

[Nature's Rising]

yay emplate

[Specter313]

McCann then announced that Daniel Acuna will be the new artist on "X-Men Legacy."

X-Men: Legacy #228

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/8948/xmen228cov.jpg

For more, check the convention news thread.

[Specter313]

Emplate? Hell, to the ****ing...yes. Just...hell...to...the...****ing....yes. :D

Well, if you had paid attention to stuff put up in the past, you'd have known this already. :o :p

[Specter313]

The X-Men is one. Not just a single team or even a series, the X-Men has become almost a line unto itself. Built up over the years by everyone from Stan Lee to Grant Morrison, it has a multi-faceted world that fans consistently find is one of the most intriguing of it’s kind in comics. Writer Mike Carey has been exploring that in the Marvel series X-Men: Legacy crisscrossing both the globe and time (thanks to flashbacks) to see events new and old in a new light, revealing new mystery in old stories that have become modern classics.

Coming into that legacy is an artist who’s quickly building up a legacy of his own, Daniel Acuña. This Spanish artist was just announced as the new regular artist for this Mike Carey-penned series X-Men: Legacy, and Acuña steps in at a time where the book itself is re-orienting itself from following Charles Xavier to chronicling the story of Rogue.

Rogue, one of the most popular X-men, is at a unique time; for the first time she’s fully in control of her powers and reunited with Gambit. But while she’s trying to come to terms with that herself, she’s pulled back into the mutant struggle thanks to Dark Reign, the X-Men, and the constant persecution mutants endure.

Newsarama had the opportunity to interview the Spanish-speaking Acuña thanks to his agent, David Macho Gómez. So let’s go!

Newsarama: In our last interview (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/020905-Daniel-Acuna.html), you mentioned that one of your dream books was doing X-Men.. and here you are! How’d this all come together, Daniel?

Daniel Acuña:I really don't know how to answer that. I mean, I wanted to draw an X-men book, and I guess the work I did in The Eternals has brought me to X-Men, but that would be a question for Nick Lowe, my editor... I imagine they liked my work enough to give me this book!

NRAMA: This is your first big foray into X-men titles, after dipping your toe in the water so to speak working on Uncanny X-Men Annual #2. Have you been a big fan of the X-men books?

Acuña: I've liked the X-Men since like, forever, but never above other books, or as my favorite, I mean, but I always remember the first comic-book I bought as a kid was X-Men: God loves, Man Kills...

NRAMA: That’s quite an introduction to the X-Men.

When we spoke to you back in February (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/020905-Daniel-Acuna.html) your next project was under wraps. Is this the project, and how long have you been working on it?

Acuña: Yep, it was this one... I've been some months working on designs (while I was doing some covers and short stories) and a shorter time with covers and interior pages...

NRAMA: Now that you’re “officially” on the book, I have to ask what you’ll be bringing to it. This is a definite jump from your previous major works – you had a more comedic style in The Flash, and your work on The Eternals was in a more grandiose and stoic style. How would you describe what you’re doing here with X-Men Legacy?

Acuña: It's very soon for me to define the style for this book, but it's something that also comes from reading the script and seeing the "mood / scope" it asks me for. My primary idea is to keep exploring what I tried to do in The Eternals, because X-Men is also a book full of epics and drama, and with a very interesting script, I gotta add... The script focuses a lot on the characters' emotions and that's a big motivation for me... I'm very happy with the work I've done so far. At the beginning, I always go slower than usual, because I'm very focused on getting a hang on the characters (and oh my god, they're so many! :)) and above that, the backgrounds and fight scenes are also very important, too... I don't want to disappoint anybody, and less than anybody, myself... But with these characters and this script my motivation is over the top, and I hope to do my best possible work...

NRAMA: You’re coming onto this book at a time where the book is shifting to feature Rogue more front and central. Tell us about drawing her – how do you see her, and what makes her unique?

Acuña: I've drawn her so little yet that I can't really tell you too much about that... Ask me in a couple months! But my main objective would be exactly that, to be able to make her unique, with unique features... But I know that will be VERY difficult...

NRAMA: I’ve seen your work, I know you can pull it off.
Before I let you get back to those pages, can you give us a sneak peek at the kinds of things you’re drawing in the new book? Any particular characters, moments or panels jumping out at you?

Acuña: I can only answer that Rogue will wear a new suit (the one you can see on the cover) and that Gambit will have some small changes, more than that, I'm not allowed to say.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/070925-sdcc-Acuna.html

[JustABill]

Well, if you had paid attention to stuff put up in the past, you'd have known this already. :o :p
Well if roommate would tell me these things about a book I hadn't be ****ing reading, because it was ****ing boring. I'd know these things. :p :o

[Specter313]

I DID tell you, you just weren't listening, AS USUAL. :o :p