Official X-MEN: LEGACY Discussion Thread

[JustABill]

I DID tell you, you just weren't listening, AS USUAL. :o :p
Yeah, whatever you say. :o

[squeekness]

You guys're funny. :p

[Specter313]

I thought I was gonna see some thoughts from you about Gambit having a slightly new look. :p

[iamlegend]

I thought I was gonna see some thoughts from you about Gambit having a slightly new look. :p

Less pink?

More pink?

Randomly changing from climbing gear to his uniform mid-scene and not showing any sense of surprise? :woot:

So many options.

[Slant]

Apparently less pink.....I guess?

http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22245

Currently, the main characters of “X-Men: Legacy” are Rogue, Gambit and Danger. Can you talk a bit about each of the characters and what, in particular, you find most appealing about each of their looks?

Honestly, before I started drawing them they were the characters I was least interested on from the team (laughs). But that made it more interesting and forces me to work more. But now that I’m some pages in, I can say they are changing my mind. As characters, all three of them are really interesting, but I think I could do some work in making Rogue’s and Gambit’s look better – mostly Gambit, who’s some sort of ‘rebel without a cause’ character. So... an outsider with a black and fuchsia suit, with metallic knee pads? He’s not a super hero, per se, in attitude and motivations, so, why does he dress like one? I’m trying to think on something to make it all fit, visually and in my head.

[Jake Cassidy]

^ He kinda has a point.

[iamlegend]

Apparently less pink.....I guess?

http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22245

At least there's someone that's putting some real thought into Gambit... even if it's just what he's wearing.

The pink has always been odd in its own way... but since Superheroes dress stupid, it's worked. This guy doesn't see Gambit as a superhero, but in the MU that doesn't really matter... lots of the random vigilante/rebel types Marvel has still dress like complete weirdos. So I guess I'm kind of interested to see what he comes up with.

I hope he just doesn't trim Gambit down to a guy in a duster with nothing else going on, though. The body armor has had its uses before.

[Jake Cassidy]

As long as he keeps the coat, it's all good.

[UraniaChang]

Well, Gambit hasn't had an update/change to his uniform for as long as I can remember, he can use one now.

[Specter313]

Since Daniel Acuña burst onto the scene a few years back, first as a cover artist for “JLA” and “Outsiders” and later as an interior artist on “Uncle Sam and the Freedom Fighters,” his style has easily become one of the most recognizable – and arguably original – in the entire industry.

Still living in his native Spain, Acuña signed an exclusive with Marvel Comics in 2007 and has contributed a number of covers and served as the interior artist on the relaunched “Eternals” series.

His next assignment, his biggest to date, was announced at the Marvel: X-Men panel at Comic-Con International: Acuña will take over regular art duties on “X-Men: Legacy” beginning in September with Annual #1.

CBR News checked in with Acuña about his move to the Rogue-centric X-book and found a creator who above all is passionate about his craft and the people working closely with him.

CBR News: First off, were you a big fan of the X-Men growing up in Spain? And if so, did you have a favorite team member?

I was a fan of all comic books, not any above the rest, because I didn’t buy the books, my oldest brother did. Of the X-Men, my favorite characters were Cyclops and Nightcrawler.

Did you have a favorite X-Men artist?

I’d have to go back to the Byrne/Claremont era to answer that question. It was really spectacular. I’m not going to be the one to say anything new about them, of course, so my reference on the X-Men has to be how Byrne drew the characters.

I like how he used to draw Cyclops, especially. Nobody has ever drawn the character as well as he did. Of course, Dave Cockrum is also a big influence for me.

Currently, the main characters of “X-Men: Legacy” are Rogue, Gambit and Danger. Can you talk a bit about each of the characters and what, in particular, you find most appealing about each of their looks?

Honestly, before I started drawing them they were the characters I was least interested on from the team (laughs). But that made it more interesting and forces me to work more. But now that I’m some pages in, I can say they are changing my mind. As characters, all three of them are really interesting, but I think I could do some work in making Rogue’s and Gambit’s look better – mostly Gambit, who’s some sort of ‘rebel without a cause’ character. So... an outsider with a black and fuchsia suit, with metallic knee pads? He’s not a super hero, per se, in attitude and motivations, so, why does he dress like one? I’m trying to think on something to make it all fit, visually and in my head.

Have you sought out older back issues featuring Rogue, in particular, to get a better feel for the characters?

When I start a new book, I always try to do the most thorough research I can and check how other artists have drawn the characters and how the character works visually, and also in terms of his or her motivations. It’s very important to know all you can about the character you are going to draw to try and imbue some personality into it when you draw it.

Can you share whether or not any other X-Men will be featured in upcoming issues of “X-Men: Legacy?”

No, sorry, I can’t say.

Why are the X-Men a good fit for your style of art?

I guess, as is with every single good character, because they have a strong personality. They are not typical archetypes and I think that’s why I can reflect them well. But maybe I should answer that question when I’ve spent some more time on the book. Now it’s just talk without any facts to prove my words.

For those unfamiliar with your style, can you share some details about how you get your unique look?

Thank you for the ‘unique look’ part. I see myself as a part of the modernist school of art. The one made famous by the French poster artists. I come from that root and also from the tradition of American illustrators like Leyendecker, Rockwell, Drew Struzan and Adam Hughes. So my style would be halfway between realism or naturalism in relation to the page’s color and design or to cartoon in the style of art. But really, I think this is something for everybody other than me to define.

Will you be supplying covers for the series, as well? Does illustrating covers offer a different challenge than illustrating interiors?

Yes, I will do the covers, too. It’s different to do a cover than an interior, of course. When you do a cover you know you have to attract the reader with that single image and also suggest everything he will read in the interior pages of the book, so you can shine as a virtuoso and detailed artist, as an expressive and emotional one. When you work on the interiors, the art has to serve the storytelling and you have to "control" yourself more. You always have to remember to think about the page as a whole. Every single panel has to work separately and as a whole. I remember some pages I did some years ago, every panel tried to be a cover illustration, very rich in detail, sure, but as a page they were a disaster. It was impossible to see anything, and it didn’t attract the reader’s eye to read it. In the end, I think you just have to be able to focus on the most important aspects of what you have to do in each case.

What is Mike Carey like as a collaborator? Does he let you run wild, or does he supply a fairly detailed list of requests to include on each page?

I’ve only had the pleasure of working with one of his scripts yet, but I can already say that he’s really great. He gives me all the info I need and flexibility in the way I decide to tackle the storytelling. But hey, ask me in three months just in case I change my mind (laughs). Seriously, I’m very happy to work with a writer of Mike Carey’s stature.

Are there other characters at Marvel, X-Men or otherwise, you are anxious to illustrate for the publisher?

When I think about the X-Men, I don’t think on separate characters, you just think about drawing all of them in action. But as I said before, Cyclops is my favorite character.

Are you currently working on any other projects?

Aside from “Legacy,” the last thing I’ve done is a cover for “Guardians of the Universe.”

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22245

[iamlegend]

Well, Gambit hasn't had an update/change to his uniform for as long as I can remember, he can use one now.

About all that ever seems to change with him:

-His ear warmers come and go.
-What color his underclothes are... pink or black, usually, though he did conform and rock the blue/gold during the early 90s era when all the X-Men did that.

That's about it. On a few occasions, of course, he'll be in civilian clothing, but that's not often.

[Slant]

He actually went quite a while without the pink. From Revolution in 2000 to him coming back in Blinded by the light a few years ago, he didn't wear the pink at all.

[Specter313]

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X-MEN: LEGACY #227


STORY BY Mike Carey
ART BY Dustin Weaver, Andrew Hennesey
COVER BY Terry Dodson
PUBLISHER: Marvel Comics
COVER PRICE: $2.99
RELEASE DATE: Wed, August 19th, 2009

While San Francisco is still reeling from the onslaught of the Dark Avengers, Rogue struggles to cope with the power and perspective of a God, the young X-student Trance undergoes a terrifying transformation, and X-Men Legacy takes a dramatic new direction.

[iamlegend]

I like that Danger tells Rogue to stop the tank, even though Gambit's driving. :cwink:

[Manic]

It'd actually be kinda funny if that kept happening.

*Gambit blows up a wall*
Danger: Thank you, Rogue.

*Gambit stops an assassin from killing Cyclops*
Cyclops: Thanks, Rogue.

*Gambit pushes Rogue out of the way of something dangerous*
Rogue: Thanks, Extension of Me.

[iamlegend]

It'd actually be kinda funny if that kept happening.

*Gambit blows up a wall*
Danger: Thank you, Rogue.

*Gambit stops an assassin from killing Cyclops*
Cyclops: Thanks, Rogue.

*Gambit pushes Rogue out of the way of something dangerous*
Rogue: Thanks, Extension of Me.

Well, Cyke did completely ignore Gambit when they popped up in San Fran during the last issue. Just rambled to Rogue about keeping bad company.

So it's very feasible, particularly under Carey.

I remember they used to do that in the 90s animated series quite often. Gambit'd do something and it'd be attributed to Wolverine.

[The Mighty Thor]

That's actually a pretty good preview...has the title improved now that the focus has shifted?

[UraniaChang]

Rogue always manages to pull off the weird-body-twisting thing.

[squeekness]

It'd actually be kinda funny if that kept happening.

*Gambit blows up a wall*
Danger: Thank you, Rogue.

*Gambit stops an assassin from killing Cyclops*
Cyclops: Thanks, Rogue.

*Gambit pushes Rogue out of the way of something dangerous*
Rogue: Thanks, Extension of Me.This would be funny if it wasn't so absolutely true. :(

[javi1024]

That's actually a pretty good preview...has the title improved now that the focus has shifted?
well this has been the most action-packed story since it was named Legacy, and this being only the second issue since becoming Rogue's book its hard to tell.

[GambitXremy]

I like the previews i like how that guy draws Gambit

[squeekness]

Me, too. He looks grittier, like how Jim Lee used to make him. :)

[javi1024]

overall this guy is good. i really like his Rogue. i can see the strength in her character just in her face.

[Generation Lee]

So Trance has a offensive power now kinda electric. I thought her spirit self was some sort of psychic energy maybe it is and that's how it is drawn.

[The Mighty Thor]

Her astral form has always been able to harm people hasn't it?

[Specter313]

Her astral form has always been able to harm people hasn't it?

Apparently her astral form has always been able to produce some kind of energy surge when it comes into contact with others, probably just not on the kind of level that we're seeing in that preview though.

[OutcryX]

who the hell is trance? i think i spotted cypher...and was that supposed to be rockslide?

[Manic]

Trance was one of Weir & DeFilippis' Academy X characters. I think Kyle & Yost gave her about one line of dialogue in a single issue, then forgot about her before they had the chance to kill her off.

[javi1024]

who the hell is trance? i think i spotted cypher...and was that supposed to be rockslide?
that was Onyxx.

[Manic]

Can we not talk about Onyxx? He's like Rockslide's retarded cousin.

"Durrr, me am love you, Foxx! Yes, you made it clear that you're really Mystique, and you just disguised yourself as a student so you can seduce your daughter's boyfriend, but I know you really love me! My failed rape attempt proves it!!"

[UraniaChang]

Rockslide is retarded enough already.

[Manic]

Rockslide is a dumb jock in the purest sense. I honestly believe Onyxx was "special" like Basilisk and Beak (well, when Morrison was writing Beak).

[javi1024]

i like to forget all about Morrison's "special" class. theyre probably what i hated most about his run.

[Manic]

I love how Dust was raised out of that group by literally every writer who has handled her since. She's just too awesome to be part of the "special" group.

[javi1024]

maybe because it was 2001, and in light of the state of the relationship between the US and Arab nations they wanted to make nice with the only mutant known to come from that region.

[Manic]

That wouldn't surprise me. Still, Dust has become one of the better characters created by Morrison, thanks to the writers of New/Young X-Men.

[Havok83]

Dust is overrated. I fail to see what is so great about her

[javi1024]

i never really knew her outside of Morrison, i just remember she had a pretty sweet introduction. though i have to admit i did geek out a bit when i saw her cameo in Wolverine and the X-Men, and then in X-O: Wolverine.

[Manic]

Dust is overrated. I fail to see what is so great about her
There are a few reasons I like her:
-She walks that same fine line of "I'm a religious character who doesn't let my beliefs cloud my judgement or make me unbearable to non-religious readers" that Nightcrawler does.
-Her greatest wish is to be reunited with her mother, who she hasn't been able to find in years.
-She has unexpected self-esteem issues that more writers need to touch upon. She was forced to wear her abaya and niqab (which I think used to drawn as a burqa) at first because she lived under Taliban control, but has since opted to continue to wear all of that covering because she just plain doesn't want people to see her face. Ironically, I think Surge might've once remarked that she's actually very pretty.
-I miss her relationship with Icarus.
-She seemed to be bonding with X-23 toward the beginning of KY's run of New X-Men, so I have that little character dynamic to thank for helping me eventually like X-23.
-She was the only member of Xorn's class who wasn't stupid enough to fall for his tricks and join the attack on Manhattan.
-Guggenheim finally injected a sense of humor into the character while keeping her mostly introverted personality the same.
-Like javi said, she had a pretty sweet introduction.

She's a hell of a lot more fleshed out than some other members of the New/Young squad. I still don't know jack diddly about Rockslide, other than he likes wrestling.

i never really knew her outside of Morrison
When Morrison's run ended and the X-books went into their "Reload" phase, and New Mutants (vol. 2) was relaunched as New X-Men: Academy X, Dust was brought into that comic as a supporting character. She was part of the "bad boy" Hellions group of students mentored by Emma Frost. Her teammates were Hellion and Rockslide, among others. She got bumped to main character status when the title shortened to New X-Men (vol. 2) under its "Childhood's End" era, and remained a main character when it got relaunched as Young X-Men. There was also that one New X-Men: Academy X: Hellions miniseries that told most of her backstory.

Dust hasn't gone anywhere since Morrison's run ended.

[UraniaChang]

There are a few reasons I like her:
-She walks that same fine line of "I'm a religious character who doesn't let my beliefs cloud my judgement or make me unbearable to non-religious readers" that Nightcrawler does.


The reason above and that she's got the disipline in mind which is lacking in avaerge characters, especially teenage ones.

[javi1024]

one character i really wanna know more about is Mercury. ive mentioned it before, but the only real exposure i have of her was when she stood up to the Hulk during WWH. that scene alone made me an instant fan.

[UraniaChang]

The only thing I remembered about her was her big mouth in the Hulk book, by big mouth I mean literally.

[Havok83]

Mercury is another New X-man I never cared for that seems to be loved

[Manic]

Hell, I'm not about to defend every New/Young kid you don't like...

[Havok83]

Hell, I'm not about to defend every New/Young kid you don't like...
lol...you dont have to.

[Specter313]

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X-MEN LEGACY #229
Written by Mike Carey
Penciled by Ibraim roberson & Daniel acuÑA
Cover by MIRCO PIERFEDERICI
As Rogue continues her mission, Gambit goes on one of his own. His mission will push him down a dark road that will shock X-Fans everywhere!
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

[UraniaChang]

Oh, a Gambit cover, which is rare enough but there's no sight of Rogue on said cover?
That's nice, if only Gambit didn't wear a weird expression in it.

[javi1024]

he looks asian. why?

[JustABill]

You see a big reveal is coming up that Kwannon is actually Remy LeBeau's real mother. :hehe:

[Ipodman]

Oh YESS! Another Gambit cover!

[anyjus]

Who is this Ariel woman? What is her mutany ability?

[Havok83]

Who is this Ariel woman? What is her mutany ability?
Ariel? Where did you get her from?

[anyjus]

The woman with the pink/blonde hair who arrived through a glowing pink door with Onyxx in tow. They attempt to transport Trance back to the other X-Men. I haven't heard of her.

[Havok83]

The woman with the pink/blonde hair who arrived through a glowing pink door with Onyxx in tow. They attempt to transport Trance back to the other X-Men. I haven't heard of her.
Oh ok. Must be a new character

[iamlegend]

X-MEN LEGACY #229
Written by Mike Carey
Penciled by Ibraim roberson & Daniel acuÑA
Cover by MIRCO PIERFEDERICI
As Rogue continues her mission, Gambit goes on one of his own. His mission will push him down a dark road that will shock X-Fans everywhere!
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

Oh dear Jesus, what now? :huh:

We find out that Gambit not only assembled the Marauders, but he also secretly recruited the Brotherhood and ravaged Genosha, all the while working secretly for the Hellfire Club?

Also... I'm assuming this is the back-up story Carey wanted for the annual, and it got bumped into a whole book?

[katie_girl09]

Nevermind.

[Manic]

We find out that Gambit not only assembled the Marauders, but he also secretly recruited the Brotherhood and ravaged Genosha, all the while working secretly for the Hellfire Club?
He was also the one who suggested the Dark Phoenix eat a star, traveled back in time and told Apocalypse "what's the worst that could happen?" shortly before he entered that alien spaceship for the first time, was the other man on the grassy knoll, was the cameraman during the faked Moon landing, shot John Lennon, and punches babies in his spare time.

Oh, and he really did sleep with Mystique that one time.

[javi1024]

He was also the one who suggested the Dark Phoenix eat a star, traveled back in time and told Apocalypse "what's the worst that could happen?" shortly before he entered that alien spaceship for the first time, was the other man on the grassy knoll, was the cameraman during the faked Moon landing, shot John Lennon, and punches babies in his spare time.

Oh, and he really did sleep with Mystique that one time.
man....now i REALLY dont like that guy. :wow:

[iamlegend]

He was also the one who suggested the Dark Phoenix eat a star, traveled back in time and told Apocalypse "what's the worst that could happen?" shortly before he entered that alien spaceship for the first time, was the other man on the grassy knoll, was the cameraman during the faked Moon landing, shot John Lennon, and punches babies in his spare time.

Oh, and he really did sleep with Mystique that one time.

And all it takes to lure him back into the fold will be... Rogue? Again?

In all seriousness, though, as much as Carey loves both Rogue and Mystique, it wouldn't surprise me if he did one day way down the line hint that Gambit did shag Raven (as Rogue).

We'll see, I suppose. I'm being overly cynical, obviously, but Gambit+Generic "dark path" stuff has already led to so many disasters for the character.

[Slant]

Maybe they're being literal.

I mean, maybe he's really walking down a dark road at night with no flashlight.:)

[UraniaChang]

So if the writer (Carey) said he was going to make Gambit a badass it really meant that he just got some of the tendons in his hip twisted.

[Ipodman]

Did Gambit really did Raven??? I thought it was never mentioned... Gambit just kept denying it if i rmbed correctly...

[Jake Cassidy]

Oh ok. Must be a new character

Ariel was introduced in Fallen Angels #2 in 1987. It was a limited series tied into New Mutants. :yay:

[squeekness]

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X-MEN LEGACY #229
Written by Mike Carey
Penciled by Ibraim roberson & Daniel acuÑA
Cover by MIRCO PIERFEDERICI
As Rogue continues her mission, Gambit goes on one of his own. His mission will push him down a dark road that will shock X-Fans everywhere!
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99Sweet cover. :D

[Brainiac 8]

I'm sure everything that Milligan did with the character is being duly ignored...such as the horrible Echo/whatever character he introduced toward the end.

Heck, who cares if he slept with Raven, she's shag worthy. At least he didn't get some nano STD like some other mutant we know that bumped uglies with her.

[The Mighty Thor]

Oh ok. Must be a new character

Nope - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_(comics)

[iamlegend]

Did Gambit really did Raven??? I thought it was never mentioned... Gambit just kept denying it if i rmbed correctly...

There's never been 100% confirmation either way... though I certainly took Mystique's vague answer to Pulse as she fled the mansion to mean no... Otherwise she'd of been more open about it.

Like most have said, it happened under Milligan, and the X-Office has thus forgotten it happened.

[El Bastardo]

Geez, Milligan's run was so horrible. The nightmares...

[UraniaChang]

There's never been 100% confirmation either way... though I certainly took Mystique's vague answer to Pulse as she fled the mansion to mean no... Otherwise she'd of been more open about it.

Like most have said, it happened under Milligan, and the X-Office has thus forgotten it happened.

Mystique said no to something not overly good (beding the man who's head-over-heels for her daughter), that's a news.

[mightiest_mortal]

Oh noes! Gambit goes down ANOTHER dark path!

Done to death a bit dont u think? cant they come up with something with his character withough him just being more depressed?

[UraniaChang]

Sounds like he's going down an emotionally dark path, he will be doing the depressed enough for all of us.

[squeekness]

Read Legacy today and was unsurprised. I thought Carey liked Gambit but it seems he thinks Gambit's mutation consists of being punched in the face by other super beings while trying to cover Rogue's ass. :( This new dark path almost scares me. What will it be? Gambit getting punched in the face by somebody else?

*sigh*

:waa:

[UraniaChang]

*pats*

At least he didn't get screwed up and humiliated on the big screen, like my poor baby Scott.

[Mystic]

His mission will push him down a dark road that will shock X-Fans everywhere!Oh no! I don't know if I should be worried or excited! I wonder what's so shocking about it! Ooo! I hate waiting, lol!!

Is there a release date for it yet? :)

[Havok83]

Read Legacy today and was unsurprised. I thought Carey liked Gambit but it seems he thinks Gambit's mutation consists of being punched in the face by other super beings while trying to cover Rogue's ass. :( This new dark path almost scares me. What will it be? Gambit getting punched in the face by somebody else?

*sigh*

:waa:
where'd you get that? Most Gambit fans seem to want him away from Carey bc he favors Rogue at the expense of Gambit

Dont know much about Ariel, but I like her power and the visual effects of it

[squeekness]

where'd you get that? Most Gambit fans seem to want him away from Carey bc he favors Rogue at the expense of Gambit

Dont know much about Ariel, but I like her power and the visual effects of itCarey once claimed that he would do us Gambit fans proud. Hasn't happened yet. :( That's what I was referring to. I have a feeling this "dark turn" for Gambit will be all hype and no substance. That's what Carey has given us so far, he's too busy mooning over stoopid ole Rogue. :down

[iamlegend]

Carey once claimed that he would do us Gambit fans proud. Hasn't happened yet. :( That's what I was referring to. I have a feeling this "dark turn" for Gambit will be all hype and no substance. That's what Carey has given us so far, he's too busy mooning over stoopid ole Rogue. :down

Gambit is basically turning into a fictional representation of Carey's own feelings for Rogue... hence his undying worship for her.

The dark turn will probably be something that happens to Gambit that Rogue later saves him from.

[katie_girl09]

Oh no! I don't know if I should be worried or excited! I wonder what's so shocking about it! Ooo! I hate waiting, lol!!

Is there a release date for it yet? :)
Welcome to the Hype. :)

I don't really know a release date, but I'm not excited. I'm not going to buy it until I hear from other Gambit fans that its good. Carey seems to acknowledge that Gambit is a popular character, but only wants to milk this fact to bring more attention to Rogue and this thinly-veiled solo series.

[Mystic]

Thanks for replying. I think I'll do that as well. IGN usually posts reviews pretty fast.

The dark turn will probably be something that happens to Gambit that Rogue later saves him from.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. But what could this "dark turn" be? Is Gambit hiding another secret we don't know about? I guess we'll just see what happens.

I like the artwork :)

[Specter313]

Oh no! I don't know if I should be worried or excited! I wonder what's so shocking about it! Ooo! I hate waiting, lol!!

Is there a release date for it yet? :)

November. That's all we really know right now.

[Mystic]

Ah, OK. Thanks. Can't wait, lol! :yay:

[UraniaChang]

If Carey actually makes Rogue have God-like power, you can foresee some of her fans will never let you forget about the title.


Re-read X-Men:fairy tale, I still think the Gambit story in it is the best in recent decade.

[Specter313]

Well, from the last issue it appears to just be temporary, like just about all her other absorptions.

[iamlegend]

If Carey actually makes Rogue have God-like power, you can foresee some of her fans will never let you forget about the title.


Re-read X-Men:fairy tale, I still think the Gambit story in it is the best in recent decade.

As Specter said, the powers faded at some point during the last issue.

C'mon now, you think the best Carey could kick up for his little obsession would be the powers of Ares? He's going to come up with something far more outrageous than that... :whatever:

[Havok83]

Why did they have Rogue fighting Ares on the cover to 227? She didnt even face him at all in this. I think it would have been more effective had it been her vs Ms. Marvel (Moonstone) instead. I think that would have drawn more people to it anyway considering her past history with the other one

[iamlegend]

Why did they have Rogue fighting Ares on the cover to 227? She didnt even face him at all in this. I think it would have been more effective had it been her vs Ms. Marvel (Moonstone) instead. I think that would have drawn more people to it anyway considering her past history with the other one

When has Rogue had history with Moonstone? Wearing the Ms. Marvel outfit does not one Carol Danvers make.

And they had Rogue vs. Ares... maybe to sell books? I mean, the solicits kept mentioning the "power of a God" bit, and Rogue did cross paths with him in 226... put them on 227 fighting and you might snag a few more sales based on expectations.

[Havok83]

When has Rogue had history with Moonstone? Wearing the Ms. Marvel outfit does not one Carol Danvers make.

And they had Rogue vs. Ares... maybe to sell books? I mean, the solicits kept mentioning the "power of a God" bit, and Rogue did cross paths with him in 226... put them on 227 fighting and you might snag a few more sales based on expectations.
I said Rogue had history with the other one (Ms. Marvel)

[iamlegend]

I said Rogue had history with the other one (Ms. Marvel)

Ahh. I read "other one" to mean Moonstone over Ares, rather than Danvers over Moonstone.

[Havok83]

Ahh. I read "other one" to mean Moonstone over Ares, rather than Danvers over Moonstone.
no problem. I can see how it didnt quite come across as clear

[Specter313]

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[Mystic]

Thanks for posting. What does everyone think of the artwork? I think it's OK but not as good as it was before in previous issues.

And what is Cyclop's wearing? Is that his orignal costume or something? I may read it. But I'm looking forward to X-Men Legacy #229 more than anything else :yay:

[squeekness]

Poor Logan. Guy always takes a beating. :p

[javi1024]

i forget is this the next issue or an annual? i really dont care for the art. its ok for covers, but its distracting for interior work. thats one ugly Wolverine, and Emma hasnt worn the corset and panties since the 80s.

[Specter313]

That's the annual, but he'll be the main artist in the ongoing as well.

[UraniaChang]

Is that necessary for Rogue to show that much of breasts? Or even use that kind of posture to squeeze them?

[Jake Cassidy]

Is that necessary for Rogue to show that much of breasts? Or even use that kind of posture to squeeze them?

Yes. :woot:

[Mad Ones]

I actually like the art. I think that design for Rogue's costume is better than the hooded one she's been wearing, which I've never been a fan of. And it's cool seeing Scott wear that jacket again. It's not perfect, but I definitely dig the art.

[spark627]

hmm, I dunno how I feel about Rogue's new costume. Take off the scarf and skirt and I think I would like it much more

[squeekness]

Yes. :woot:I am sure Remy would agree. :p

[ChaoticPsylocke]

i actually think the art is pretty cool.

i kind of like her new costume too. i think i would prolly like it more if it wasnt a long shirt/skirt thing, but just a tight one piece thing.

[ChaoticPsylocke]

did anyone else notice that SNIKT wasnt used, but something else?

also Wolverine looks a little funny....

and lastly, has anyone else noticed how often Warpath shows up??? he is in everything! i mean he is never important, but he's always there! lol

[iamlegend]

I am sure Remy would agree. :p

Gambit's got a bit of a new look too. The hair's different, especially.

I'm not a fan of the art in general though. I can't quite place it yet, but it reminds me of something. Don't like it.

[Specter313]

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X-MEN: LEGACY ANNUAL # 1
COVER BY: Daniel Acuna
WRITER: Mike Carey
PENCILS: Daniel Acuna
Mirco Pierfederici
INKS: Daniel Acuna|Mirco Pierfederici
COLORED BY: Daniel Acuna|Mirco Pierfederici
LETTERED BY: VC - Cory Petit

THE STORY:
Rogue takes over the driver’s seat of X-MEN LEGACY with a bang. But she’s not alone. Her new role with the X-Men puts her in close contact with the Legacy of the X-Men, the students. It’s up to Rogue to foster the last generation of mutants, but can she even keep them alive? A classic X-Villain returns in this giant-sized special that kicks off X-MEN LEGACY’s NEW DIRECTION! Rated A …$3.99
IN STORES: September 16, 2009

[Havok83]

I love it when Scott where's his New X-men costume.

With Emplate back, I wonder why they never did a team up with him and Selene given the nature of their powers. I hope he shows up in Necrosha as well bc he'd seem like a likely villian for that

[UraniaChang]

I don't know how I feel about the jacket, sometimes I think it's catchy, but other times I think it paints a big target for the wearer with the bright yellow X.

[Manic]

I'm surprised to see Rogue still wearing gloves. Then again, she probably still feels naked without them.

[UraniaChang]

With a large part of her breats almost falling out, I'm surprised she'd even notice her gloves.

But, then, she has a scarf with her as well, sometimes, sense of fashion is one huge mystery.

[Manic]

lol, I forgot about the scarf. It's like she's dressed for cold weather (though that's appropriate if they're hanging out in the middle of the SF Bay), but still has her boobs hanging out.

[UraniaChang]

Scott dressed for the weather, high collar and a jacket.

Last time I went to SF, it was chilly for me.

[Generation Lee]

Why oh why are there workmen building something on Xavier's private land???

[UraniaChang]

Because Xavier might need some decent place to sit down for a while now that he doesn't have the wheelchair anymore? :oldrazz:

[Manic]

He probably sold his land for money.

[iamlegend]

I'm surprised to see Rogue still wearing gloves. Then again, she probably still feels naked without them.

Well that, and essentially every Marvel hero wears some variation of gloves nowadays. Gotta conform to the trend, and all...:woot:

[Manic]

Yeah, but you'd think someone with touch-based powers who went her entire teenage and adult life without touching anyone wouldn't be quick to put gloves back on.

[UraniaChang]

She is more interested in showing other parts...?

[iamlegend]

She is more interested in showing other parts...?

Ha. I'm sure Carey will have her showing someone a lot of stuff soon enough... You know he's just sitting on some male character that he's secretly in love with, just waiting to hook him up with Rogue.

[iamlegend]

Yeah, but you'd think someone with touch-based powers who went her entire teenage and adult life without touching anyone wouldn't be quick to put gloves back on.

Eh, why draw a character with a practical costume when you can draw one that you find "cool" and aesthetically pleasing?

I hate artists sometimes.

[Havok83]

Yeah, but you'd think someone with touch-based powers who went her entire teenage and adult life without touching anyone wouldn't be quick to put gloves back on.
I dont mind the gloves. Its the scarf that begs for someone to grab, choke and slam her around that bothers me

[Manic]

I'm just going to put the scarf in the "Things Superheroes Shouldn't Have in a Fight but Have Anyway" category, along with capes and long hair.

[UraniaChang]

Well, Batman has an useful cape, everyone should learn a trick or two from that guy. :)

[squeekness]

I dont mind the gloves. Its the scarf that begs for someone to grab, choke and slam her around that bothers meLOL, true dat. :p Like long trench coats that can get caught in doors. Not very practical in the real world.

[cardslinger]

A trench is better than a scarf though. IMO. Gambit's gotten his coat caught on stuff before. He just slips out of it when that happens. You're not gonna slip out of a piece of material tied around your neck.

[iamlegend]

A trench is better than a scarf though. IMO. Gambit's gotten his coat caught on stuff before. He just slips out of it when that happens. You're not gonna slip out of a piece of material tied around your neck.

The writers have done a solid job of giving Gambit's trench coat some kind of practical use over the years... While we all know it was originally drawn on him to look "cool," they've tried to integrate it into his character and make it seem valuable.

And they've done well with it, which is why he's still, and always will be, wearing it. It's part of Gambit the same way the visor is a part of Cyke. Without their accessories... they're just not... them.

[Havok83]

Gambit looks odd without his trenchcoat. Its best that he keeps some version of it with every costume he gets. Although I have to say he did look good in his AOA costume but he had a long cape which pretty much took the place of the trenchcoat

[UraniaChang]

A trenchcoat is more useful than a cape, that guy needs his hidden pockets.

[OutcryX]

he should throw dice instead of cards

[Manic]

He'd probably get bigger explosions from 'em.

[OutcryX]

that and getting hit with a die would hurt more than a card...and then comes the boom

[iamlegend]

Gambit looks odd without his trenchcoat. Its best that he keeps some version of it with every costume he gets. Although I have to say he did look good in his AOA costume but he had a long cape which pretty much took the place of the trenchcoat

I did like the AOA design. Probably because, as you said, it was something different but still had the same taste.

AOA Gambit was great all around... They had him get over Rogue so completely that it was liberating to fans of the character, and they really humanized him during the X-Ternal books. But it's a shame some of the best character development in Gambit's history came in an alternate universe... :csad:

And then they killed him, of course... Damn you Marvel.

[squeekness]

he should throw dice instead of cardsThat would be cool. :p

I did like the AOA design. Probably because, as you said, it was something different but still had the same taste.

AOA Gambit was great all around... They had him get over Rogue so completely that it was liberating to fans of the character, and they really humanized him during the X-Ternal books. But it's a shame some of the best character development in Gambit's history came in an alternate universe... :csad:

And then they killed him, of course... Damn you Marvel.They do seem rather fond of doing that. :( Shot to death in Nior, stomped on in Ultimate. Stinks. :argh:

[iamlegend]

He'd probably get bigger explosions from 'em.

*Imagining Gambit running around with 100 die in his pockets*

Not sure that would work. Would be funny though. :woot:

And to Squeek...

Don't forget the first Exiles appearance Gambit made. Another relatively solid rendition of the character, and he got axed. Didn't even let the poor guy's sacrifice mean anything, either, since they pulled the whole "He didn't really die, his body was just destroyed!" BS with Hyperion.

[UraniaChang]

*Imagining Gambit running around with 100 die in his pockets*

Not sure that would work. Would be funny though. :woot:




One thing for sure is that he can't pull any secrecy and stealth with a hundred dice in his pockets. :oldrazz:

[OutcryX]

*Imagining Gambit running around with 100 die in his pockets*

Not sure that would work. Would be funny though. :woot:

And to Squeek...

Don't forget the first Exiles appearance Gambit made. Another relatively solid rendition of the character, and he got axed. Didn't even let the poor guy's sacrifice mean anything, either, since they pulled the whole "He didn't really die, his body was just destroyed!" BS with Hyperion.

dice can come in tubes and rectangular boxes..im sure that way of carrying them is more Gambit's style..as opposed to running around with a giant ziplock bag of them clanking and screwing up his swagger

[Havok83]

they are still much heavier than cards when you have dozens of them in your pockets. Im sure the cards are more comfortable for him

[GambitXremy]

Gambits switching from death and back now!!!!!!!!!

[Slant]

How exactly did he kill that guy? That wasn't the gas powers.

[Mystic]

Gambits switching from death and back now!!!!!!!!!

What?!! Where did you hear that and why would he be even be doing that? It makes no sense!

[Specter313]

What?!! Where did you hear that and why would he be even be doing that? It makes no sense!

It's in the annual:

A telepath that Gambit was fighting found something in his head that was leftover from Apocalypse's initial transformation of him, and activated it, temporarily turning him back into his Death look, and using some ability to either disintegrate the guy or suck him into the black card he threw at him, I wasn't quite sure.

I guess they're trying to make him like Angel. Squeekers is not gonna be happy.

[JustABill]

Even as a guy who hates Gambit from time to time, I gotta say just as Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2 was making me love the guy again, they go and do something stupid like this with him.

[Specter313]

What is going to happen with Xavier now that his tenure in “X-Men: Legacy” is over? Is he going into limbo?

NICK LOWE: He’ll be hanging around the island trying not to get in Scott’s way for the foreseeable future (we’ll have to see how that goes).



http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22961

[Specter313]

Damn double posting.

[squeekness]

How exactly did he kill that guy? That wasn't the gas powers.it's almost as though the guy's soul went into the card and Gambit collected it. (?) That's what I saw, but it may not be what the artist intended.

It's in the annual:

A telepath that Gambit was fighting found something in his head that was leftover from Apocalypse's initial transformation of him, and activated it, temporarily turning him back into his Death look, and using some ability to either disintegrate the guy or suck him into the black card he threw at him, I wasn't quite sure.

I guess they're trying to make him like Angel. Squeekers is not gonna be happy.Oddly, I don't mind. It kinda shows that he didn't just magically or deliciously simply overcome what was done to him. I just would have liked to have seen the process that Sinister had put Remy through to bring him back to normal. This was better than the whole Horseman thing being ignored.

[JustABill]

And yet, no one notices when I compliment Gambit for once. Wow. Figures. :p

[squeekness]

I saw. :p I just don't have the game.

[JustABill]

Eh, well, you can credit it for getting me into him again. It's been since I was a kid I was able to dig Gambit.

[squeekness]

He was wonderful in the X-men game, too. It was the first time I had seen the whole staff slam thing. The Origins movie totally ripped them off. :p

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/squeekness/Gambit/xorigin-gambitsmash.gif

[javi1024]

Gambit was always one of the weakest when i played X-Men Legends. even when i went out of my way to level him up, Cyclops, Wolverine, Storm, and Jean were always my strongest.

[UraniaChang]

I used him for a couple of times out of sentiment reasons in the game, but in the end I picked Iceman over him.

[javi1024]

they really need to come back with X-Men Legends 3 for the new consoles. using Cap and Thor is cool, but im not getting enough of my mutant fix by just picking Wolverine and Iceman.

[iamlegend]

And yet, no one notices when I compliment Gambit for once. Wow. Figures. :p

Well that's only because most of the folks that have been perusing the Gambit/Legacy threads lately aren't aware of some of the feelings you've had in the past. I however, noted it duly. :woot:

And yes, he's a lot of fun in MUA2. Digging being Gambit again, and they did a good job exercising his powers. I wish they'd of kept the staff slam move he got in Legends over the whole whip around or whatever he does now, but otherwise totally behind it.

And as for the annual...

Worse than I ever expected out of Carey. The best thing for Gambit's character WAS ignoring the Horseman era, the Milligan era in general, and basically everything else from 2000-2007 or so.

And yet we're back at this. Could you not come up with an original plot line Mike? Did you have to go back and dig up something no one liked to begin with? Or are you going to set him up to be "saved" by Rogue?

I'm nearly 100% done with all X-Comics for awhile. Everything has been so awful lately, I don't know if it's worth the money anymore.

Of course, can't go back to Spider-Man, because that's been torn up even worse the last few years.

Why Marvel, why?

[squeekness]

What we need is for someone to flesh out how Gambit was changed back, just what did Sinister do and how did Remy feel about it before and after. It's like a whole big chunk of Gambit's life was just ignored. :(

[iamlegend]

What we need is for someone to flesh out how Gambit was changed back, just what did Sinister do and how did Remy feel about it before and after. It's like a whole big chunk of Gambit's life was just ignored. :(

Eh it was more like two weeks of his life were ignored. I'm totally happy accepting that Apocalypse's machines drove Gambit into insanity, and Sinister fixed all that with a cure-all.

Apocalypse has a history of making characters insane, and Sinister has a history of pulling off ridiculously stupid/impossible genetic feats, so that scenario is entirely plausible.

The Death saga and the build up to it was legitimately the worst characterization of Gambit in his history. I'm totally okay with it never, ever being mentioned again. They do this stuff all the time in comics.

[squeekness]

Oh, I am not arguing that the Death story wasn't the worst piece of crap ever conceived, I just think it is equally bad to have a presto chango fix done so far off panel it's like the whole thing was ignored. It's an opportunity wasted but then that seems to be much of Gambit's fate these days anyhow... :(

[iamlegend]

Also, this change will almost certainly bring Emo-Gambit back. We don't need Gambit pining over how horrible he's been like he did in Messiah Complex. It's awful, and appealing to NO ONE, not Gambit fans, not Gambit haters, not casual fans.

We haven't seen a consistently confident Gambit since like 1995. I'm tired of it.

[squeekness]

I'm tired of it too. :(

[UraniaChang]

First of all, I'd like him to explain what was his point in becoming Death in the first place.

[squeekness]

It was so out of character for Gambit to have volunteered exactly as he did. I think it would have been better if Emma gave him a psychic shove out the door or if he'd gone in as a spy or something.

[JustABill]

Why the hell would Emma have done something like that? Seriously, I know you don't like Emma, but don't try to make her do stuff that is out of character for her, just because Gambit did something out of character.

[UraniaChang]

I see no reason for Emma wanting Gambit out of the way, they didn't have much interaction with each other but that's not a strong enough reason for her to kick him out mentally or even tempt with the idea, especially when there was no benefit or any deeper reasons for the X-Men.

[squeekness]

Wasn't the thing with Gambit right before Emma went a bit nutty, under the control of Cassandra Nova? That arc where they had a cover of Wolverine kissing Emma, but it turned out to be mind control or something. Emma wasn't quite herself and might have wanted Gambit out before he discovered there was something wrong with her.

[javi1024]

Wasn't the thing with Gambit right before Emma went a bit nutty, under the control of Cassandra Nova? That arc where they had a cover of Wolverine kissing Emma, but it turned out to be mind control or something. Emma wasn't quite herself and might have wanted Gambit out before he discovered there was something wrong with her.
true, but considering that story was under Whedon in Astonishing, itd very difficult to link those two events together. i have a feeling Whedon didnt really sit in on the X-Men coordination meetings with Milligan, Carey, and Claremont.

[squeekness]

True. I just base my thoughts of Emma on this pic:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/squeekness/Gambit/Gambitbetrayal-1.jpg

She was there right before he walked out.....

[javi1024]

....whered that come from?

[squeekness]

The same issue where Gambit offers himself to Apocolypse to be a Horseman. Not sure the exact issue number.


EDIT: X-Men issue #183. :)

[javi1024]

i really wish gabmit wouldve kept that look- the black top over the blue pants with the brown coat (though i liked the red one better)- instead of going back to his 90s looks. real men DON'T wear pink. and what the hell is that collar thing. it kept all the elements of his classic look and just modernized it.

[UraniaChang]

He looked like he had wore a Hannibal's mask...

But the most weird thing is that Gambit went to Emma for answers.
If she actually did the mental kick to get Gambit out of the way, then she better tells Scott in Confession.

[javi1024]

He looked like he had wore a Hannibal's mask...
thats only because its a strange angle, and Larroca isn't very good with those. the black is his shirt, but he wears the same headpiece as he always has.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/b/b5/Gambit_002.jpg

[Havok83]

Gabmti can now turn back into Death? WTF? First Warren, now him. When is Wolverine gonna start busting out in his old look

[Manic]

Who else has been turned into a Horseman? Is Sunfire still alive?

[Specter313]

Yeah he is, and still kinda rocking his look he got from it too. Polaris was in the last group of Horsemen as well.

[squeekness]

i really wish gabmit wouldve kept that look- the black top over the blue pants with the brown coat (though i liked the red one better)- instead of going back to his 90s looks. real men DON'T wear pink. and what the hell is that collar thing. it kept all the elements of his classic look and just modernized it.I liked that look too. :) It was better than the magenta, which to me makes stealth just a wee bit harder. :p

Gabmti can now turn back into Death? WTF? First Warren, now him. When is Wolverine gonna start busting out in his old lookI think the only thing that changed on Logan was his clothes, really.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/squeekness/Wolverine/wolverine104death.jpg

[UraniaChang]

So Apocalypse studied on Samuri attire as well, obviously.
Better than the SM attire he chose for Gambit.

[Manic]

I think the only thing that changed on Logan was his clothes, really.
As we've seen from Warren, clothes are apparently part of the whole transformation process. So let's get ready to see the Mighty Morphin' Former Horsemen!

[Havok83]

As we've seen from Warren, clothes are apparently part of the whole transformation process. So let's get ready to see the Mighty Morphin' Former Horsemen!
they can make up their own team of killers. A true Death squad. Lets not forget Caliban as he also was Death

[Specter313]

As hard as it is to buy Warren being able to sprout an entirely new costume out of nowhere, it's gonna be harder to buy Polaris breaking a full body spiked suit of armor out of her ass.

[iamlegend]

they can make up their own team of killers. A true Death squad. Lets not forget Caliban as he also was Death

Give Marvel ideas like this and we'll see a new limited series by Kyle and Yost in no time...

Also starring X-23, naturally.

[OutcryX]

Instead of a team of Deaths...why not The Horsemen..starring Archangel, Wolverine, Caliban, Polaris, Sunfire, Gambit, Hulk and Deathbird and Ahab

[iamlegend]

Instead of a team of Deaths...why not The Horsemen..starring Archangel, Wolverine, Caliban, Polaris, Sunfire, Gambit, Hulk and Deathbird and Ahab

Ha. That'd legitimately the most manic depressive, emo comic ever.

[squeekness]

It could be a Dark Comedy. :p I bet a really good writer like PAD could pull it off.

[Mystic]

Ha, ha! What a line-up! They would be unstoppable!!

As for this "dark road" that Gambit is supposedly going to go down, do you think it has anything to do with "Death"?

[UraniaChang]

Or maybe it means he gets a tan.

Lots people had become Death and lived happily afterward.

[iamlegend]

Ha, ha! What a line-up! They would be unstoppable!!

As for this "dark road" that Gambit is supposedly going to go down, do you think it has anything to do with "Death"?

I'm assuming Gambit's going to develop some kind of split persona type deal where you've got your basic Remy on one side, the dark, twisted Remy that signed up to join Apocalypse and tried to kill Rogue on the other.

Carey said that he thinks this will bring Gambit back into the fold in 2010. I can't see him coming back as anything but a villain, though, right? I don't know.

We'll know more when he gets that issue of Legacy to himself in a couple months.

[iamlegend]

Or maybe it means he gets a tan.

Lots people had become Death and lived happily afterward.

Yeah, but this is Gambit. The X-Office doesn't care about him, Mike Carey doesn't care about him, and he's been used as a scapegoat his entire career (see Trial of Gambit fallout).

I'm surprised Cyclops didn't kill him on-site, to the applause of every living mutant. The guy can't catch a freaking break.

[UraniaChang]

Accidentally pulverize him and Scott said to Rogue: "Oops! I think I shot someone I shoudn't!"

Rogue: "Who?" *Looks around* "No one is missing, you're under too much stress, Scott."

Everyone:"..."

[katie_girl09]

Jeez! I stop reading for a little while and look at what I miss!

[Mystic]

Yep, lol. Welcome back!

Maybe nothing happens to Gambit and they're just doing this to keep us in suspense!! Only kidding. Something bad's gotta happen sooner or later. I just hope he pulls through all right. He always does! :)

[Specter313]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/solicits/marvelcomics/200912/151_X_MEN__LEGACY_231.jpg

X-MEN LEGACY #230
Written by MIKE CAREY & DUANE SWIERCZYNSKI
Pencils & Cover by DANIEL ACUÑA
It’s Rogue and Trance vs. Emplate -- a villain who has single-handedly taken down teams of X-Men A-Listers. Do they stand a chance? We sure hope so as X-MEN LEGACY #231 is on sale two weeks later! Don’t miss the killer climax to the huge first arc of the new direction on X-MEN LEGACY! Plus, a Cable backstory!
40 PGS./Rated T+…$3.99

[Havok83]

Thank god this Necrosha story will feature X-men and not just Rogue

[UraniaChang]

After seeing what Misfits Colossus looks like, I'm so glad to see the real article.

[iamlegend]

Hey, great, Rogue gets to beat up on a villain that's taken down entire A-List teams by herself. :whatever:

[ChaoticPsylocke]

As hard as it is to buy Warren being able to sprout an entirely new costume out of nowhere, it's gonna be harder to buy Polaris breaking a full body spiked suit of armor out of her ass.

lol thats exactly what i thought about when i heard that Gambit could apparently switch back and forth too.


EDIT: that Psylocke is friggin amazing! for this one instance, im glad she doesnt have a new costume yet! lol

[Specter313]

Hey, great, Rogue gets to beat up on a villain that's taken down entire A-List teams by herself. :whatever:

Of course not. She's got Trance helping her. :o

[JustABill]

lol thats exactly what i thought about when i heard that Gambit could apparently switch back and forth too.


EDIT: that Psylocke is friggin amazing! for this one instance, im glad she doesnt have a new costume yet! lol
I don't think Psylocke will ever get a new costume. Seriously, that look just sorta meshes with her, it's almost like Spidey's Red&Blues.

[Havok83]

I don't think Psylocke will ever get a new costume. Seriously, that look just sorta meshes with her, it's almost like Spidey's Red&Blues.
Even Wolverine's updated his classic blue/yellow which has lasted over 35 years, several times. Cant Psylocke's at least get some tweaking?

[Manic]

Isn't everyone just wearing an updated version of their old costumes? Colossus is wearing his 70's suit without the shoulderpads and with a few tweaks. Even Cyclops is wearing the 70's-80's costume with a few added lines sans yellow underpants.

[Manic]

Isn't everyone just wearing an updated version of their old costumes? Colossus is wearing his 70's suit without the shoulderpads and with a few tweaks. Even Cyclops is wearing the 70's-80's costume with a few added lines sans yellow underpants.

[Havok83]

Isn't everyone just wearing an updated version of their old costumes? Colossus is wearing his 70's suit without the shoulderpads and with a few tweaks. Even Cyclops is wearing the 70's-80's costume with a few added lines sans yellow underpants.
Nope, those would all count as completely new costumes to me. They may share some similar elements but they are all different.

[Manic]

In that case, let's see some new rags on that British-possessed Asian ass.

[Mystic]

It looks pretty good. I'm not too keen on Cyclop's costume though, lol! Just one question. Where are Gambit and Danger?

[Havok83]

It looks pretty good. I'm not too keen on Cyclop's costume though, lol! Just one question. Where are Gambit and Danger?
most likely sniffing around Rogue's butt. They all seemed to be attached to the hip these days

[Brainiac 8]

Rogue on Gambit on Danger action. :dry:

[Manic]

Wasn't Danger hanging out with Madison during the Annual?

[insane polaris]

Yeah, isnt she head of defenses now. so i dont see her on any teams.

[Manic]

So... is that semi-robotic freakazoid going to upgrade the X-Men's current Danger Room?

[katie_girl09]

Yep, lol. Welcome back!

Maybe nothing happens to Gambit and they're just doing this to keep us in suspense!! Only kidding. Something bad's gotta happen sooner or later. I just hope he pulls through all right. He always does! :)
Thanks! :)
If I'm understanding this new power properly, it sounds pretty awesome. Better than what they've done with him in a LOOONG time.

[Specter313]

From the looks of it, the solicit for 230 was given with the cover for 231 initially, and no cover for 230 was given. Well, there's still no cover for 230, but 231 finally has a solicit, so here it is:

http://i.newsarama.com/marvelnew/dec09/151_x_men__legacy_231.jpg


X-MEN LEGACY #231
Written by MIKE CAREY
Pencils by CLAY MANN
Cover by ADI GRANOV
“NECROSHA”
The NECROSHA event hits X-MEN: LEGACY! Selene’s masterplan is clicking into place, but she got something she didn’t plan for when Destiny was brought back to life. A major X-Villain came back with Destiny and a who’s who of X-Men are sent to Muir Island to deal with them. Join Nightcrawler, Colossus, Psylocke, Rogue (if she makes it through #230 alive) and a new member (who’s so secret we can’t mention him here) as they dive into NECROSHA. Part 1 (of 3)
32 PGS./Rated A ...$2.99

[ChaoticPsylocke]

Holy ****! i never even thought about Destiny coming back to life! and what about Zaladane! that would be a fun resurrection.

[squeekness]

I'm hoping for Sabertooth myself. Life just hasn't been the same with him gone. :(

[UraniaChang]

Ugh, that means Mystique can't be far away if Destiny is alive...but maybe she can explain something about the whole Messiah stuff to Bishop.

[Havok83]

If Destiny really does come back, do you think Marvel will actually portray her and Mystique as a full blown couple now? Things have come a long way since she died 20 years ago

[Manic]

I hope so. It was so heavily implied over the years, it's pretty much become fanon-- like Rictor and Shatterstar until David made it actual canon a few months ago.

[UraniaChang]

As long as Bobby can be freed from the old witch, she can hook up with Captain America for all I care.

[Mystic]

Wait. Destiny and Mystique were a couple?! Where did that happen?

[squeekness]

It was heavily implied back in the day. :p It's not really a new thing.

[Havok83]

Wait. Destiny and Mystique were a couple?! Where did that happen?
you didnt know? Claremont heavily implied it when he wrote them back in the day but bc homesexuality was taboo around that time, Marvel never actually portrayed them as a relationship. Things have changed and the writing since that has pretty much confirmed it instead of dancing around the issue. We recently saw Karma have a one night stand with a chick and Northstar has a boyfriend and it wasnt a big deal. Those type of scenes werent possible for Destiny and Mystique in the 80s

[OutcryX]

Karma got some bootay then kicked her to the curb? pimperific!

wait..is Carey actually writing this book as a team book? or is it 'Rogue and the X-men'?

[Havok83]

Karma got some bootay then kicked her to the curb? pimperific!

wait..is Carey actually writing this book as a team book? or is it 'Rogue and the X-men'?
It seems more like Rogue AND the X-men. She has her solo stuff with the X-men having their own thing, at least thats what I got from the Annual and this new preview. I have to say Im more excited about Legacy now bc it isnt only about Rogue. I hope Carey keeps her in Utopia, bc this gives him opurtunity to utilize the other characters as well

[Manic]

Karma got some bootay then kicked her to the curb? pimperific!
I can see it now...
"That was nice, but you gotta get the **** out."


I hope she remembered to send her siblings to stay with someone else at the time. You can't be having one night stands when you got kids in the house.

[OutcryX]

unless she suggested that they didnt see it..its nice having brain powers

[iamlegend]

If Destiny really does come back, do you think Marvel will actually portray her and Mystique as a full blown couple now? Things have come a long way since she died 20 years ago

I don't know... Carey's all over Mystique. I doubt he'll want to hook her up with anyone but his pet characters (Iceman, since Rogue would be, um, creepy).

And it annoys me she's back to begin with. As many times as they've chased the Destiny diaries into oblivion... and now they just go and resurrect her? C'mon! It makes so much obsolete.

That, and I'm sick of character resurrections. The last 18 months seem like they've had so many of them over the expanded comic-verse... more so than usual. Let people stay dead/gone! This is why so many new characters get stunted and don't get a chance to grow.

[Specter313]

Mystique is popping up in Ms. Marvel to face of with her in December, so I don't think she'll be around for Necrosha.

[UraniaChang]

And it annoys me she's back to begin with. As many times as they've chased the Destiny diaries into oblivion... and now they just go and resurrect her? C'mon! It makes so much obsolete.



Destiny: "It's just a book I wrote down the ideas for my fanfics...you guys actually believed what's in there?"

[Manic]

You know, I'd like to see Destiny and Blindfold have a conversation. Blindfold has a habit of speaking in non-linear patterns, and I bet Destiny could keep up with her if she tried.

[Havok83]

Carey did a recent podcast with Marvel and when asked who he would want on his ideal team he said, Rogue, Beast, Cyclops, Iceman, Cannonball, Psylocke and Ariel. Talk about random. I think he might be using Ariel more in the future. Hope he takes on Iceman as well

[Mike555]

I hope rogue,gambit and danger live through the zombie apocalypse.

[Colossal Spoons]

When and where will this Emplate story continue?

[Specter313]

Next issue of Legacy.

[Colossal Spoons]

Fantastic :up:

[Havok83]

Too bad M wont be showing up. Why doesnt Emplate go imprison Penance again? She kept him fed in the past

[Manic]

Wasn't he looking for Penance among the X-Men, but decided to use Bling! when he realized Penny wasn't there?

[Havok83]

I dont think he was looking for her

[Manic]

I dont think he was looking for her
I checked the Annual again. This is Emplate's dialogue when he was talking to that DOA guy who works for him...

"It's true that I endured some rough treatment at the X-Men's hands.
It's also true that I failed to find the one I was looking for.

"My sweet Penance. My cornucopia, my ever-brimming banquet. She is no longer of their number.
But one door closes, as they say--

"--and we smash our way in through the window."


And during that last line of dialogue, we see Bling!'s face in his eye.

[RomyFan]

Emplate? Hell, to the ****ing...yes. Just...hell...to...the...****ing....yes. :D

Is Emplate the guy that sort of eats mutants? What has he done in the past?

That's the annual, but he'll be the main artist in the ongoing as well.

Which ongoing? What is an ongoing? Like a solo series? :huh:

Accidentally pulverize him and Scott said to Rogue: "Oops! I think I shot someone I shoudn't!"

Rogue: "Who?" *Looks around* "No one is missing, you're under too much stress, Scott."

Everyone:"..."
:dry:

Sorry if I seem a little clueless; I've been reading comics (the Legacy line) for about 2 and a half years, but I'm still a little... well, VERY lost in a lot of things.
Another silly question: I was reading X-treme X-Men and Psylocke died there, right? So how come she's alive again? :huh:
I really want to learn more!

[Havok83]

Thanks Manic. Guess I missed that

[COLOR=darkorchid]Is Emplate the guy that sort of eats mutants? What has he done in the past?Emplate sucks on the bone marrow of other mutants. up until now he was strictly a villian of the now defunct team Generation X


Which ongoing? What is an ongoing? Like a solo series? :huh:[/qutote]An ongoing is a boook that is published on a regular basis

[RomyFan]

Thanks Manic. Guess I missed that

Emplate sucks on the bone marrow of other mutants. up until now he was strictly a villian of the now defunct team Generation X


Which ongoing? What is an ongoing? Like a solo series? :huh:[/qutote]An ongoing is a boook that is published on a regular basis
Ok thanks! Don't be surprised if I come along from time to time with more stupid questions.

[ChaoticPsylocke]

its all good. we all ask many very often.

wikipedia is a great source for comic book info as is uncannyxmen.net

[OutcryX]

Emplate back...Blink is back...surely Synch and Skin will be back in Necrosha....all we need is Banshee to come back as well...and for M, Jubilee, Husk, Chamber(the no face having version), Emma, Artie, Leech, Gaia and oh hell, why not, Mondo to all make appearances...and we have a Gen X reunion!!!

[UraniaChang]

I like Artie, like seeing him project stuff around the adults.

[OutcryX]

i liked artie too

[Manic]

Emplate back...Blink is back...surely Synch and Skin will be back in Necrosha....all we need is Banshee to come back as well...and for M, Jubilee, Husk, Chamber(the no face having version), Emma, Artie, Leech, Gaia and oh hell, why not, Mondo to all make appearances...and we have a Gen X reunion!!!

Yeah, but then Marvel would have to acknowledge Generation X ever happened. At this point, it's like Emma's past consists of the Hellfire Club, teaching the Hellions, and then disappearing for a few years until turning up in the ruins of Genosha.

[Havok83]

Yeah, but then Marvel would have to acknowledge Generation X ever happened. At this point, it's like Emma's past consists of the Hellfire Club, teaching the Hellions, and then disappearing for a few years until turning up in the ruins of Genosha.
Well they did bring Emplate back. I was shocked at the recap they gave of his Gen X appearance in Legacy Annual. Why did they have Cyclops (who never met the guy) briefing everyone on him and not Emma who actually has had experience with him is beyond me. I didnt mention this before but I didnt like how Scott presented the story as if Penance and Monet were 2 seperate characters. He didnt get the memo that Penance turned out to be the real Monet that they all now know?

[Manic]

Actually, (and this makes even less sense) Danger gave the briefing on Emplate.

And aren't Monet, Penance, and the twins now all separate entities?

[Havok83]

Yes they are all seperate entities. Actually dont know what the hell is up with Penance. When she was last seen in Gen X, she was alive even though the St. Croix girls were removed from her. I know she showed in Loners going by the codename Hollow but I didnt read that

[OutcryX]

yeah...they had to give her a new name since Speedball hijacked hers (Penance). GenX gets NO love

[Specter313]

When the Marvel comic book titled "X-Men" became "X-Men: Legacy," its focus concerned a man (Charles Xavier) who was trying to discover who he was and where he fit into the world. Well, while the book's featured character has shifted over its many issues from Professor X to Rogue, the title's theme remains the same – it's all about the journey toward self-discovery.

Recently, Rogue has been charged by Cyclops to become a leader for young mutants. As someone who struggled with her own powers – and who went down the wrong path by joining the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants as a teen – Rogue has much to share…and still more to learn! Mike Carey, the writer of Rogue's adventures, joins us for today's X-POSITION to give us all a hint of what we can expect from this X-quarter's curriculum…

Phoenix Force starts things off for us by asking for a roll call of Legacy's classroom.

I'd like to know if "X-Men: Legacy" will have a permanent roster of ‘teachers' and ‘students,' or will it be Rogue and a sort of revolving door of X-characters that fit a particular storyline? If there will be any cast permanency, can you give us any hints as to who will make the cut? And I know this is the mother of all longshots, but what are the chances of seeing Jubilee appear?


"X-Men: Legacy" #228, on sale October 21No permanent roster, Phoenix Force. There'll be a lot of characters moving in and out of the book as we take full advantage of being back in the thick of things, but as with the Professor X incarnation of the book, you'll see certain characters coming in repeatedly as we play out their arcs, using Rogue as a catalyst.

Jubilee...yeah, a longshot, but could happen. It would be interesting to check in on her and find out what she's been doing since her "New Warrior" days. No current plans, though; the next three arcs are already planned out, and we know who we're going to be using. After that, it's all (well, not quite all) up for grabs.

If most of it's up for grabs, Taimur O Dar is reaching out and asking…

1) The recent reemergence of Gambit's Death persona has me wondering if we can expect the return of a certain "sinister" character next year (Mr. or Miss). Any chance of this?

I'd see that as a distinct possibility, Taimur. She's had ample time to recover from that little flesh wound now. Seriously, given the historic connections in play there, it's almost bound to happen at some point.

2) And are there any plans for Rogue to face Mystique and her Dark X-Men in "Legacy"? It's a mother/daughter reunion I'm eager to see!

We have a different mother/daughter reunion planned in the near future – same daughter, different mother. It's great that Mystique is back in play though, and that would be a very cool scene to write.

As long as we're discussing Mystique, ProfeZZor X has a concern about that "thing" mommy did…

Rogue has had Mystique in her mind ever since "Messiah Complex." Prior to that, Mystique did some unscrupulous things; in particular, she slept with one of Rogue's best friends, Iceman. Since Rogue knows that they were intimate, and she also knows of Mystique's infatuation with Bobby, will she confront him on any of that?

Hello again, ProfeZZor. I think Rogue cares too much for Bobby to put him on the spot like that. He blames himself for falling for Mystique's line and endangering the team. Even knowing, as he now does, that there was something at stake emotionally for Mystique herself, it's still something that hurts a lot. My feeling is that Rogue won't go there until she can do it without making Bobby feel worse than he already does.

Bobby may feel bad, but Filthy Mutie is worried about someone who's carrying around some serious darkness within them.

Will we be seeing more of Gambit's suppressed Death persona? Maybe even interacting with Archangel or other former Horsemen?

We'll definitely be seeing that plotline play out, FM. And it's possible that the repercussions could be wider than we're currently seeing. I don't want to say more than that, but the comparison with Archangel is an interesting – and relevant – one.

As long as Gambit's being discussed, Chrissstopher wants to know if he's going to be part of the status quo…

1) What involvement will Gambit have going forward with Rogue in her new role? Will you still keep Gambit in this book, or will he be going over to be with the myriad of other characters in "Uncanny"?

It's not an either/or situation, Chrissstopher. The chances are you'll see him in both books. The beauty of the current set-up in the X-verse is that we're all able to draw on the same core cast because we're once again sharing the same base of operations and the same story context.

2) Being a huge "Generation X" fan, I was delighted to see Emplate in the "X-Men: Legacy Annual." What was it about Emplate that drew you to the character and made you want to include him?

The main thing is that he's one of the creepiest and scariest X-Men villains. I wanted a threat that would feel very visceral and physical, and he seemed to fit the bill. Plus, I was a big Gen-X fan, too, and Emplate was my favorite Gen-X bad guy, hands down. I wanted to bring him back into the spotlight because it's cool to have him around.

3) Now that Legion is with the X-Men on Utopia/Nation X and is getting his mind ‘right' (as of "New Mutants" #5), I would love to see you write a story with him and Xavier, as David is the only person from Xavier's past that you weren't able to address during the first part of "Legacy." Is there any chance of this happening?

You'll see a lot more of David going forward – and given answer (1) above, expect to see him in "Legacy" as well as in other places.

4) How did the collaboration between yourself, Zeb Wells, and Kyle/Yost work while writing "Necrosha"? Did Kyle/Yost share their plans initially, and then you all went off and did related stories? How did you avoid continuity issues with characters and timing, given that all three books are not directly crossing over?

It's a very different model of crossover from the "Messiah Complex" model, and yeah, it does really come down to Chris and Craig putting themes and ideas in play, which are then allowed to ricochet through the other books and play out there as well as in "X-Force." The "Legacy" story is really about the law of unintended consequences.

In "Necrosha," we see a supremely dangerous X-Men villain making a power play on a terrifying scale, but some of the things that happen as a result weren't purposely planned – they're side effects. Potentially devastating, with appalling implications both for the X-Men and for humankind, but accidental…which I think is great! When you get an upheaval on the scale of what happens in "Necrosha," there would have to be after-shocks, spreading ripples, dominoes falling further down the line. In a standalone book, you'd have to indicate those things with a few cut-away panels. In a line of books like the X-Men, you can cut loose and show them to their full extent.

On the topic of big crossovers, Matthew Dakoutros asks…

Will "Legacy" be involved in the final chapter of the "Messiah" trilogy?

Oh yeah! Count on it, Matthew.

There's good touching and bad touching; Ethan Elgin, however, is curious about Rogue touching…

Now that Rogue seemingly has control of her touch, will we see any further developments regarding the limits and/or her control of this ability? And if so, when?

Yeah, we will. There's always been more to Rogue's power than we've seen, Ethan. Future stories will define what she can and can't do, and there will be some surprises.

Morgan Piersanti wins the prize this week for the question most likely to short-circuit your brain:

What would happen if Rogue and Mimic tried to use their powers on one another?

Agh! Quit messing with my head, Morgan. Nothing good, I guess. Probably there'd be a feedback effect that would lay both of them out cold. But to see something very similar, read "Legacy" #230...

As long as your mind is spinning, Sami Dawed had a question about your thought process regarding a recent revelation:

Reading the Annual, I noticed you had Indra revealed as not a Hindu, but as a Jain. First of all, I have to say thanks for expanding his character – I liked that you made him a different. What were your thoughts on making this distinction with Indra and where did the idea come from?

I'm not sure, Sami. About 75-80% of the population of India is Hindu, so it would have been an obvious connection to make, but I just thought it would be more interesting to give Indra a different background. And then I thought of the Jains, whose strict adherence to non-violence would create an interesting moral conflict for an X-Man. Of course, there's also a question now as to why a Jain would be named after a Hindu god; the answer to that will come in a future story.

If Indra is a Jain, what does that makes Match? At least, that's what Chandler X was wondering…

Will we ever see Match sans the flame? I've been curious about what he looks like. I hope he's African American!

I always assumed he had to be a red-headed kid...

Can he be both? Just a thought…

Jose Estrada wraps everything up today with an interesting notion…

Now that the mutant population at large lives on Utopia, what has become of Karima Shapandar? She was a great character, but now has fallen out of the spotlight since Danger joined the cast. I can see why you may not want to have them both on the title since they're both "robot chicks," but I think they would be great foils for one another.

Danger is a robot that has gained sentience, so has been thrust onto a path where she is forced to become emotionally human; however, Karima is the opposite – a human who has been forced to become more robot-like. What do you think?

Yeah, that's a good way of defining the difference between them. To me, Karima seems to be kind of a tragic figure: she's struggling to hold onto – or retrieve – a little piece of her humanity, against the odds. She and Danger would have a lot to talk about, and with the disbanding of the Acolytes, she's out in the world again. I'm sure we'll see her soon.

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[Specter313]

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COVER BY: Daniel Acuna
WRITER: Mike Carey
PENCILS: Daniel Acuna
THE STORY:
Emplate is back and he’s out for blood. More specifically, for mutant bone marrow. And with the X-Men still reeling from Utopia, he may have picked the perfect time to come calling. Rated A …$2.99

PRICE: 2.99
IN STORES: October 21, 2009

[OutcryX]

so Emplate is being written seriously now? i always took him for a joke

[UraniaChang]

I totally forgot about him...

[bengan]

Wow, the best art i´ve seen in a long, long time.

[iamlegend]

1) The recent reemergence of Gambit's Death persona has me wondering if we can expect the return of a certain "sinister" character next year (Mr. or Miss). Any chance of this?

I'd see that as a distinct possibility, Taimur. She's had ample time to recover from that little flesh wound now. Seriously, given the historic connections in play there, it's almost bound to happen at some point.

Will we be seeing more of Gambit's suppressed Death persona? Maybe even interacting with Archangel or other former Horsemen?

We'll definitely be seeing that plotline play out, FM. And it's possible that the repercussions could be wider than we're currently seeing. I don't want to say more than that, but the comparison with Archangel is an interesting – and relevant – one.

As long as Gambit's being discussed, Chrissstopher wants to know if he's going to be part of the status quo…

1) What involvement will Gambit have going forward with Rogue in her new role? Will you still keep Gambit in this book, or will he be going over to be with the myriad of other characters in "Uncanny"?

It's not an either/or situation, Chrissstopher. The chances are you'll see him in both books. The beauty of the current set-up in the X-verse is that we're all able to draw on the same core cast because we're once again sharing the same base of operations and the same story context.


Gambit potentially showing up in a different book?

Granted, it's just a "chance," but it's more hope that I've had in awhile for his character...