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squeekness

10-07-2009, 10:39 AM

Is this good news or bad? If he leaves this book is it back to limbo again? :( There's no garuntee that anyone in particualr is going to use him.

Mystic

10-07-2009, 10:47 AM

I think it would be good if he did show up in another book. He hasn't been in "Uncanny" for a while. Don't get me wrong. I think he's great in X-Men Legacy and I'm glad he and Rogue have made up but it would still be good to see him in another book just for a change. I'm waiting to see what's going to happen to him in X-Men Legacy #229 though.

OutcryX

10-07-2009, 11:35 AM

looks like my Horseman book might come about afterall...since both Gambit and Angel are having death re-occurences..Wolverine should be turning into a desert raider any day now....then throw in some Hulk, Polaris, Sunfire, Caliban and Ahab!..yes! gimme some of that!

me being hopeful

Havok83

10-07-2009, 01:32 PM

I really dont see a fit for Gambit in any of the other books except maybe X-force but thats gotten a bit crowded

squeekness

10-07-2009, 02:05 PM

Gambit isn't a killer, though. Not like most fo the others. :(

Havok83

10-07-2009, 02:16 PM

Gambit isn't a killer, though. Not like most fo the others. :(
I didnt think that Angel, Warpath, Wolfsbane, Domino, Elixir were killers prior to the title, yet they are all in here. Didnt think Scott would condone it, yet he does. Really only Wolverine and X-23 have a history of mass killing. Besides, not all the team members kill, not that I think Gambit would be above that. Elixir hasnt and he chooses not to.

iamlegend

10-07-2009, 06:59 PM

Gambit isn't a killer, though. Not like most fo the others. :(

While we haven't exactly seen Gambit openly slaughter enemies the way Wolverine has before, he's never shown an aversion to killing when necessary. And in his earliest appearances he contemplated doing in both Sabretooth and Psylock (an ally, at that) to protect his secrets.

So Gambit could fit in there. Especially with his Death person lurking... it could be used as big excuse to make him a bit darker.

And lets face it... Gambit's powers would be pretty lethal in reality. He makes stuff explode. That tends to get people killed.

Havok83

10-07-2009, 09:35 PM

While we haven't exactly seen Gambit openly slaughter enemies the way Wolverine has before, he's never shown an aversion to killing when necessary. And in his earliest appearances he contemplated doing in both Sabretooth and Psylock (an ally, at that) to protect his secrets.

So Gambit could fit in there. Especially with his Death person lurking... it could be used as big excuse to make him a bit darker.

And lets face it... Gambit's powers would be pretty lethal in reality. He makes stuff explode. That tends to get people killed.
It would definetly give him an oppurtunity to not hold back, which the writers have been having him do for decades. The guy can do some major damage and alot more than simply charging and throwing cards

iamlegend

10-07-2009, 10:34 PM

It would definetly give him an oppurtunity to not hold back, which the writers have been having him do for decades. The guy can do some major damage and alot more than simply charging and throwing cards

Exactly.

That, and he'd bring much more power-diversity to a very brawler heavy X-Force team.

And besides... it's been too long since Gambit and Wolverine have really teamed up and actually gotten panel time together. Their dynamic was fun back in the day.

squeekness

10-07-2009, 11:35 PM

Yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing the pair at play again. Anything would be better than Remy just moping around, mooning over boring ole Rogue. :(

Havok83

10-08-2009, 07:42 AM

Id also love to see Gambit's interactions with Warren. Warren can once again transform into Death and Gambit's actions partly led to it in the first place. Now that Gambit has also gone through the Death experience, he can relate to him.

squeekness

10-08-2009, 09:34 AM

^^ That could be a cool dynamic. :) If somebody good was writing it, that is. :( Carey couldn't handle it.

Mystic

10-08-2009, 12:54 PM

Hmmm. I think Carey's a good writer and all but I don't feel as if he's been giving Gambit another credit. So far, he's just been at Rogue's side helping her (and may I add Danger) beat villains and stuff like that. I'm glad he's one of the supporting characters though. I just don't feel as if he's.....doing much. I'd love to see him and Wolverine team up again. Or maybe explore his "Death" appearance a bit more. I thought it was completely gone.

squeekness

10-08-2009, 01:32 PM

Most of us did. I like that it lingers, only in that is should never be so easy to "take back" such a dramatic change in a person. It's not like you can just take a pill for it. :p

Havok83

10-08-2009, 06:11 PM

Most of us did. I like that it lingers, only in that is should never be so easy to "take back" such a dramatic change in a person. It's not like you can just take a pill for it. :p
I hated how it was such a drastic change and then he simply goes away and comes back normal as if nothing happened. No physical, mental or psychological affects from it at all. They really should have explored it more and delved into how he overcame the transformation

UraniaChang

10-08-2009, 07:11 PM

Havok83

10-08-2009, 08:10 PM

Maybe it's because the transformation is so drastic so they have no memory afterwards.

Especially when their clothes were completely intact.

I don't particularly think changing into Death will do Gambit any good - it's not like he being Death was really memorable. The only thing from the time he joined Apocalypse I remembered was his BDSM clothes.
I dont think he should have been able to turn back considering how horribly it was handled. Im more upset that it was simply glossed over instead of being properly dealt with. I mean they went ahead and did it, so they should have actually done something with it instead of pretending as if it never happened and now bringing it back out of nowhere. Warren dealt with the effects of his transformation for years. Sure he kept the physical look, but mentally it changed him. It brought out a darkness which he couldnt simply shake off and it took a while before he was able to come to grips with it and be the fun easy going Warren we knew from before. I was hoping that Gambit's experience would bring out a darker side in him, but he came back all lovey dovey and normal as if Apocalypse never touched him. Marvel dropped the ball.

iamlegend

10-08-2009, 08:50 PM

I dont think he should have been able to turn back considering how horribly it was handled. Im more upset that it was simply glossed over instead of being properly dealt with. I mean they went ahead and did it, so they should have actually done something with it instead of pretending as if it never happened and now bringing it back out of nowhere. Warren dealt with the effects of his transformation for years. Sure he kept the physical look, but mentally it changed him. It brought out a darkness which he couldnt simply shake off and it took a while before he was able to come to grips with it and be the fun easy going Warren we knew from before. I was hoping that Gambit's experience would bring out a darker side in him, but he came back all lovey dovey and normal as if Apocalypse never touched him. Marvel dropped the ball.

The whole incident is a pretty easy timeline to crack...

1. No one at the X-Office wanted anything to do with Gambit after the BOA arc. Or really for the years leading up to the BOA arc... He was just there because fans wanted him there.
2. Carey, the only writer who had even the remotest thought of writing Gambit (and only as a foil for Rogue) didn't want him at the time because he was too busy obsessing with Rogue and Mystique.
3. The X-Office went with Sinister as the new big bad for their next major X-Men crossover tale (Messiah Complex) and realized that they'd sent Gambit off to hang with Sinister, and thus were going to be forced to use him.
4. Again, because no one likes Gambit, they decided that they'd just forget the BOA arc entirely for awhile and essentially rehash the whiny Gambit they'd been putting out for the past few years instead.
5. Messiah Complex ends, and again no one wants to touch Gambit. So he goes away.
6. Carey brings in Gambit to placate *****ing fans and again to be Rogue's foil... but has no real interest in the character and, again, goes with the whole forget BOA deal.

Now we have Gambit being able to go back and forth between Death and himself... which to me seems like it's setting up a retcon that'll presumably explain what happened during the in-between. That they're FINALLY getting around to this after Gambit appeared in:

A. A Movie
B. A Mainstream Video Game

Is not a coincidence at all.

squeekness

10-08-2009, 11:32 PM

Well, if the movie gig finally gets them to deal with Gambit the way they should have, I won't begrudge it. It's a nice opportunity if someone with talent takes it and does something cool with it.

Specter313

10-15-2009, 09:39 PM

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X-MEN LEGACY #228
Written by MIKE CAREY
Pencils & Cover by *TO BE REVEALED AT SDCC*
Emplate is back and he’s out for blood. More specifically, for mutant bone marrow. And with the X-Men still reeling from Utopia, he may have picked the perfect time to come calling.
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

Havok83

10-15-2009, 11:27 PM

I didnt even know Bling had any powers. I thought her mutation was simply her physical deformities

Manic

10-15-2009, 11:30 PM

I knew her skin was diamond-like, but I didn't know her powers were a combined rip-off of Emma and Marrow's.

UraniaChang

10-16-2009, 12:05 AM

Danger looks weird in the last panel...

Maybe I should start picking up Legacy next month.

Havok83

10-16-2009, 12:09 AM

Danger looks weird in the last panel...

Maybe I should start picking up Legacy next month.
Its actually good again now that its focusing on the X-men and not just one character

Manic

10-16-2009, 12:10 AM

Acuna got the cable/wire-dreadlocks right, but the mouth is all wrong. Acuna drew Danger with proper lips, but she's supposed to have a mouth more like a ventriloquist dummy where the bottom lip/chin piece looks like it slides up and down when she talks.

katie_girl09

10-16-2009, 06:57 PM

I hated how it was such a drastic change and then he simply goes away and comes back normal as if nothing happened. No physical, mental or psychological affects from it at all. They really should have explored it more and delved into how he overcame the transformation
I think it makes sense. It's kind of like multiple personality disorder. At least, that's how I look at it...

What? :o

Havok83

10-19-2009, 01:37 PM

BoredGuy

10-19-2009, 01:41 PM

^^^Ugggghhh, I always hated them together, that was the only thing I disliked about AoA....

PS. They should also not do this cover so soon after the awesome Logan/Domino one in X-Force, it was such a better image, not to mention a better pairing

squeekness

10-19-2009, 01:42 PM

Hey, anything that gets her away from Remy is fine by me. :D

Havok83

10-19-2009, 01:54 PM

Here's the preview

X-MEN LEGACY #232
Written by MIKE CAREY
Penciled by CLAY MANN
Cover by ADI GRANOV
“NECROSHA”
A classic X-Villain hitched a ride on Destiny’s body when Selene brought her back from the dead. But this villain doesn’t want to be part of the Black Queen’s master plan. He’s got his own agenda. So it’s up to Rogue, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Psylocke, Husk, Blindfold and MAGNETO (what? You haven’t been reading UNCANNY X-MEN?!?!) to take this villain down. Part 2 (of 3)
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

Husk returns! Its about time

Manic

10-19-2009, 06:47 PM

Magneto is old enough to be. Rogue's. grand. fa. ther.

I don't care how neat that couple looked together during Age of Apocalypse (a storyline I sacrilegiously never liked that much), there's no reason regular 616 Anna and Max/Erik should be together.

Specter313

10-19-2009, 06:48 PM

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X-MEN LEGACY #232
Written by MIKE CAREY
Penciled by CLAY MANN
Cover by ADI GRANOV
“NECROSHA”
A classic X-Villain hitched a ride on Destiny’s body when Selene brought her back from the dead. But this villain doesn’t want to be part of the Black Queen’s master plan. He’s got his own agenda. So it’s up to Rogue, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Psylocke, Husk, Blindfold and MAGNETO (what? You haven’t been reading UNCANNY X-MEN?!?!) to take this villain down. Part 2 (of 3)
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

UraniaChang

10-19-2009, 06:52 PM

So Magneto's first priority to do since siding with the X-Men is to get a woman?

Must be lonely all by himself...

Havok83

10-19-2009, 06:54 PM

Age aint nothing but a number. Mags and Rogue always looked great together and I enjoyed their interactions over the years. Besides that's one hot cover.

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/817/roguemagneto2.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/i/roguemagneto2.jpg/)

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Havok83

10-19-2009, 06:55 PM

So Magneto's first priority to do since siding with the X-Men is to get a woman?

Must be lonely all by himself...
He's probably wanted to hook up with her for a while and now that she can touch with no problems....

Mike555

10-19-2009, 07:36 PM

Anyone see this? Ive always liked Rogue and Magneto and so glad to finally see it will be brought up again. Gambit who?

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/11/124xmenlegacy232.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/i/124xmenlegacy232.jpg/)Why Why Why!:doh::cmad:

Jake Cassidy

10-19-2009, 07:37 PM

Betsy and Paige on the same team? Could get interesting. :yay:

Colossal Spoons

10-19-2009, 07:48 PM

Husk!?

:heart::D:up:

Specter313

10-19-2009, 07:51 PM

Husk!?

:heart::D:up:

Knew you'd love that. :D

Manic

10-19-2009, 07:54 PM

I didn't even pay attention to that solicit.

Husk is back :up:
Blindfold and Destiny at the same time :up:
Nightcrawler and Colossus in action :up:

Havok83

10-19-2009, 07:55 PM

Betsy and Paige on the same team? Could get interesting. :yay:
Oh I completely forgot about that angle

iamlegend

10-19-2009, 08:13 PM

Mystic

10-19-2009, 08:24 PM

What?! Why's she got her arm around him?! Get your hands off her Magneto! She's Gambit's!!!!

Havok83

10-19-2009, 08:26 PM

What?! Why's she got her arm around him?! Get your hands off her Magneto! She's Gambit's!!!!
LOL..dont you love how her shirt is unzipped and you see where his hands are heading for right? She doesnt seem to mind at all

Mystic

10-19-2009, 08:27 PM

Stop it!!!!!

Havok83

10-19-2009, 08:28 PM

Stop it!!!!!
LOL....Rogue wont be saying that

Mystic

10-19-2009, 08:33 PM

Lol, I guess so but still....:csad:

Mike555

10-19-2009, 08:53 PM

Damn it stark why does romy have to end so soon why.:(

Mystic

10-19-2009, 08:58 PM

Exactly! :csad:

iamlegend

10-19-2009, 10:56 PM

Damn it stark why does romy have to end so soon why.:(

Because the end of Romy is the only way to save one of the two involved parties??? Gambit's character has been dying a slow, slow death for a decade. He needs to be cut loose to do his own thing.

UraniaChang

10-20-2009, 12:07 AM

Every guy character needs to be single after a more than one decade relationship, and that includes Scott.

Breaking up and be FREE!

JustABill

10-20-2009, 02:23 AM

Irregardless, I love that effin cover. Red herring or not, it's beautiful. Only thing that slightly bug's me is Rogue's face.

Mystic

10-20-2009, 06:38 AM

Every guy character needs to be single after a more than one decade relationship, and that includes Scott.

Breaking up and be FREE!

I guess. It won't last though. I mean, isn't there like a huge age difference between Rogue and Magneto? Heck, I'd pick Remy anyday, lol!! So what's happening between Scott and Jean nowadays? Last I read, I think he was still with Emma Frost. I can't remember now.

UraniaChang

10-20-2009, 06:48 AM

Nothing, Jean is still dead.

Well, between Magneto and Gambit, I'll choose Magneto because the smell of cigarettes bothers me a lot.

Havok83

10-20-2009, 06:58 AM

I guess. It won't last though. I mean, isn't there like a huge age difference between Rogue and Magneto? Heck, I'd pick Remy anyday, lol!! So what's happening between Scott and Jean nowadays? Last I read, I think he was still with Emma Frost. I can't remember now.
Rogue has shown in the past that age hasnt bugged her. Besides this is the first time in her life that she can control her power. I think she is liking all the male attention she is now getting. It probably wont last but who says they cant have a little fun?

katie_girl09

10-20-2009, 08:54 AM

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/11/124xmenlegacy232.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/i/124xmenlegacy232.jpg/)
WTF? I thought they came to their senses and realized that this coupling was silly a long time ago?! :waa:

Oh well. At least maybe Romy will have a rest.

katie_girl09

10-20-2009, 09:00 AM

Nothing, Jean is still dead.

Well, between Magneto and Gambit, I'll choose Magneto because the smell of cigarettes bothers me a lot.
Gambit quit smoking a long time ago, so you wouldn't have to worry about that. :D

Mystic

10-20-2009, 09:05 AM

:woot:

Manic

10-20-2009, 09:53 AM

Well, between Magneto and Gambit, I'll choose Magneto because the smell of cigarettes bothers me a lot.
On the other hand, the smell of Bengay and Vick's Vapo-Rub. *fans self*

squeekness

10-20-2009, 10:58 AM

^^ LOLs. :D

JustABill

10-20-2009, 04:18 PM

Didn't Magneto just say in Uncanny he was all youthful again? If so, I doubt he needs such things.

And Romy and Jean/Scott are the worst couples in X-Men history. I'd take Romy over Scott/Jean any day though. At least they can be interesting when written correctly. Only time Scott/Jean was fun was during the Dark Phoenix Saga.

UraniaChang

10-20-2009, 06:45 PM

The Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix time was the best.

Havok83

10-20-2009, 07:36 PM

The Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix time was the best.
yeah I loved that mini series

Specter313

10-20-2009, 08:38 PM

The past several years have been tumultuous ones for the Marvel Universe's mutant population. Their ranks have been depleted while their enemies seem to grow stronger in power. Some mutants have been crushed by these changes, while others have risen to meet the challenges of their new environment. One mutant who's making the most of her current status quo is Rogue, who recently gained control over her mutant ability to absorb powers and memories, and can now touch others without harming them. She was also recently given new purpose when Cyclops tasked her with making sure the younger generation of X-Men are prepared to meet all the challenges that await them.

Rouge's exploits in her new role are currently being chronicled by writer Mike Carey in the pages of "X-Men: Legacy." CBR News spoke with Carey about his plans for Rogue, which include pitting her against a villain who's a dark reflection of herself, reuniting her with a loved one, and fighting to end a powerful threat that arises thanks to the events of the "Necrosha" storyline.

In "X-Men: Legacy Annual" #1 Rogue was tasked with a new mission from Cyclops, and the position really seems to suit her. In the issue, she counseled the young mutant Indra on reconciling the contradictions between his responsibilities as an X-Men and his religious beliefs. "I think to some extent she really takes to her new role because what Cyclops says to her is true. She is the patron saint of 'been there,'" Carey told CBR News. "She knows what it's like to be young and vulnerable and have a power that makes you into a pariah. She's been traumatized and she's been victimized in every respect. She can empathize with what some of the younger X-Men are going through. That's part of what she brings to the job.

"Also, in terms of personality, she's always been one of the most emotionally available and open-hearted X-Men," Carey continued. "She has this warm quality about her, and I think that's a great personality trait to have when you work with children or young people."

In "X-Men: Legacy Annual" #1 Carey kicked off a four part storyline that could be thought of as "X-Men" meets "Silence of the Lambs," since it pits Rogue against the violent and hungry mutant villain known as Emplate. In the "Annual," Emplate attacked the X-Men on their new island home of Utopia. Things got personal though for Rogue at the end when Emplate abducted one of her new charges, the young mutant known as Bling.

"We wanted to bring Emplate back because we needed a creepy villain to pop in on Utopia, and he hadn't been used for a long while. For my money, he was the most interesting villain of the 'Generation X' days. He ended up having this convoluted origin, which tied into the very complicated story of the St. Croix family. We refer to it a little bit in this arc, but we didn't want to stray too far into complicated continuity issues. So we're mainly extrapolating on the fact that Emplate has to feed on mutants to survive. He's effectively a vampire who feeds through these mouths in the palm of his hands, and he's been starving to death since the Decimation [the event that robbed most of the world's mutant population of their abilities] because there haven't been any new mutants to feed on. He's looking for someone he can use as long term food stock, and he settles on Bling."

One of the reasons Carey wanted to pit Rogue against Emplate is because the characters are dark reflections of each other. Rogue gains powers and memories by touching others and a side effect of her powers used to be that she would rip the conscious mind out of whoever she touched, effectively "eating" their personality. This caused Rogue all sorts of emotional pain and grief. Emplate on the other hand, gains powers by physically eating the marrow of other mutants, and he does so unrepentantly.

"There is a scene in 'Legacy' #230 where they touch," Carey revealed. "Emplate is feeding on Rogue, and there's this very scary short circuit in their powers, where each of them, to some extent, is feeding off the other. You could definitely see Emplate as 'There but for the grace of God,' as far as Rogue is concerned.

"The other interesting thing about Emplate is that he's no longer attached to our dimension. He has a home, which is part fortress and part prison," Carey continued. "It's this pocket dimension where he lives after being exiled there by his sisters. So his greatest power is also his greatest weakness. He can't stay on our dimensional plane. He gets pulled back to this other dimension. That means it's really hard to fight him, because at any moment, he could make himself insubstantial, pull himself away from this reality so nothing can hurt him." 

In the Annual's main story, Carey reintroduced X-Men readers to Emplate, but in the back-up story, he revived another plot element from X-Men lore; the fact that Rogue's on-again, off-again boyfriend, Gambit, had once been turned into Death, one of the servants of the mutant villain known as Apocalypse. In the back-up story, it appeared that that aspect of Gambit's personality had just been laying dormant, and a telepathic attack brought it out. Gambit was able to bring the Death aspect of his personality back under control by the story's end, but it appears to be only a matter of time before it returns once more.

"My main reason for putting that plot thread back into play was because, when I reintroduced Gambit en route to 'Messiah Complex,' I allowed him to sort of sweep the Death persona under the table. He says, 'I got by with a little help from my friends.' So we all know Mister Sinister did something; put some kind of blocks in which suppress the Death powers and personality," Carey explained. "We also know that Apocalypse used Celestial technology to transform Gambit into Death, and that technology is not easy to get out of you once it's been implanted. So it's something that needed to be addressed, or else we needed to pretend it never happened, and it was too important to say it never happened."

Carey sees Gambit as an integral part of the supporting cast of "X-Men: Legacy," and the storyline about his Death persona will move forward in the series, just not right away. "'Legacy' #228 is in stores this week, and is part two of the four part Emplate arc. Gambit does appear, but he's part of stuff happening in the background," Carey revealed. "The story mainly focuses on Rogue and Bling. We won't fully check in with Gambit again until around issue #233 or #234."

Bling may be a lesser known X-Men character, but Carey has found her to be quite compelling. "She has this strange life and backstory, which has seldom been touched on," the writer remarked. "So little of it has been seen or discussed openly. That makes her a really interesting character to revisit and sketch in a little more."

The presence of another supporting character, Emplate's sidekick D.O.A., is meant to inject the arc with elements of dark humor. "You can't play D.O.A. straight, so there is a little strain of dark comedy running through the story, just because he's there," Carey explained. "For the most part, though, it's sort of creepy and darkly atmospheric. After the Annual, all the other parts of the story take place in Emplate's dimension. You find out a lot more about his home and the other aspects of where he lives, as well as the other entities he shares that dimension with. It's a nasty place."

The Emplate arc wraps in November, and in December's issue #231, the "Necrosha" storyline hits "X-Men: Legacy." Carey's portion of the storyline, which runs through "X-Force," "New Mutants" and "Legacy," will remind some readers of his work on the adjectiveless "X-Men" series. "It becomes a team book again, for a little while, and what a team! We've got some of the X-Men's heaviest hitters coming together; some really powerful characters," Carey said. "The threat they're facing is appallingly powerful as well, though, so they'll need every single iota of that shared strength and experience to survive it."

The situation in "X-Men: Legacy" arises as an unintended consequence of the main "Necrosha" storyline, which will be chronicled in "X-Force." "What we're dealing with in 'Legacy' is part of the fallout from 'Necrosha.' The main threat is being dealt with in 'X-Force,' but something happens on Muir Island, which has the potential to be catastrophic in its own right. So the X-Men have to divide their forces, while at the same time they defend Utopia against this truly appalling threat."

Rogue's journey to Muir Island will bring her face to face with someone she never expected to see again, her deceased foster mother Irene Adler, AKA Destiny. "Rogue's relationship with her other foster mother, Mystique, is complicated, but I think she feels nothing but love, loyalty, and gratitude towards Destiny. There are a couple of poignant moments when they meet up again," Carey stated. "That positive parental relationship was part of the appeal of bringing her back, but the main reason she's brought back is plot driven. You'll see why she's brought back in 'Necrosha,' and then you'll see the consequences play out in 'Legacy.'"

Destiny won't be the only X-character returning to the fold during the "Legacy" issues of "Necrosha." "There are two other very important returning characters in the story, besides Destiny," Carey revealed. "One character will actually be on the team and is an important returning character who we haven't seen in awhile. The other is the villain, a character the X-Men have fought before, but weren't expecting to have to fight again."

For the Emplate and "Necrosha" storylines, Carey is working with two different artists, each with their own style, Daniel Acuna and Clay Mann. "Acuna is the perfect match for the Emplate story. I've seen his pages from issue #228, and they are both beautiful and terrifying. He really captures and creates a strong sense of this insane place where Emplate lives, and the insane and scary rules by which it operates," Carey remarked. "Clay Mann does gorgeous character work on the 'Necrosha' tie-in story. His Blindfold is heartrendingly beautiful; so vulnerable and convincing. Acuna has a certain heightened stylized approach, whereas Mann has very detailed and realistic style. I think they're each perfect matches for the stories that they're doing."

Both the Emplate and the Necrosha storylines are firmly rooted in current X-Men continuity, a trend that will continue next year, because after "Necrosha" wraps up, "X-Men: Legacy" will be involved in the recently announced "Second Coming" crossover which runs through four X-titles and brings the "Messiah Trilogy" to a close. "We've come back into current X-Men continuity at a very exciting time," Carey said. "The X-Men are going through some major changes. The stakes are very high for everybody, and the world in which the surviving mutants live is changing radically. Rogue becomes part of all these events, and it's kind of cool to be expanding on them in this series."

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=23387

Mike555

10-20-2009, 08:51 PM

I hope gambit stays.

iamlegend

10-20-2009, 09:45 PM

I hope gambit stays.

The way Carey describes it, Gambit's in mock-Limbo. He's pry going to be drawn into a few panels but have no impact on the story for the next few months. Then he'll get some face time for an issue or two, and go back to mock-Limbo.

The only hope for him is that he gets used by the Uncanny team while Carey's Mary-Sueing the **** out of Rogue, which is unlikely.

JustABill

10-20-2009, 09:47 PM

Uncanny is nothing but cameo-central too. Cyclops, Emma, Beast's science club, and now Namor get most of the spotlight there.

iamlegend

10-20-2009, 09:56 PM

Uncanny is nothing but cameo-central too. Cyclops, Emma, Beast's science club, and now Namor get most of the spotlight there.

Ugh. What has the X-Office become? It's a travesty to comics.

Havok83

10-20-2009, 10:04 PM

yeah Uncanny X-men would be the worst place for Gambit to show up. That book features 100+ characters with the bulk of the panel space going to Scott and Emma.

iamlegend

10-20-2009, 10:10 PM

yeah Uncanny X-men would be the worst place for Gambit to show up. That book features 100+ characters with the bulk of the panel space going to Scott and Emma.

And based on Scott's reaction to him in that one Legacy panel...

Cyclops: You! Nameless trench coat wearer! Why are you here?
Gambit: Ah...
Emma: Must you always be so dramatic Scott? Where's Namor?
Cyclops: I know I've seen him before! Wait a minute... aren't you supposed to be evil? And possibly black?
Gambit: Ah...
Cyclops: Nevermind. Go away. You're ruining my face time.

Havok83

10-20-2009, 11:32 PM

I really dont get what Marvel is doing with this franchise and title. One of the main reasons for DeciMation was to consolidate the X-line and especially the large number of mutants out there, but UXM now features more characters than ever in the franchises 40+ history. The cast is just TOO damn big. What's even odder is that with such a large group of characters calling themselves X-men these days, most of them dont do anything. Must are seen in random battles but have no significant roles or meaningful character development. I think they really need to drastically cut the roster down and have definitive casts for each book. The rotating cast premise sounded good on paper but has really been a mess

Manic

10-20-2009, 11:50 PM

I think Fraction should've just said that the cast of Uncanny was Cyclops, Emma, Beast, and the X-Club instead of this false pretense of a rotating cast.

Otherwise, I think the idea of rotating casts in the X-books could've worked. Just make every character up for grabs instead of using regular squads. Use those characters for a particular storyline, and feel free to use a different set in the next storyline. Bingo, bango, everybody's happy.

UraniaChang

10-21-2009, 12:13 AM

squeekness

10-21-2009, 12:16 AM

Uncanny is such a snooze fest I'd rather not have Gambit there as well. I just don't know where he should go that he'd get proper use. Perhaps if Uncanny and Astonishing didn't share the same cast, some roon could made in either book for those folks who really need more face time themselves. :)

Havok83

10-21-2009, 12:23 AM

The main problem is that even with the no more mutant gig, the number of characters in X-fandom is still too big, and every once in a while, someone would say "I haven't seen **** for ages, I want to see him/her kick ass! Come on, where is he/her?", though in all honest most of the characters are the types who leave no impact or are meant to be a small cast.

Which superhero team also has so many people?
I dont think its too big. They chopped it down to roughly 200. What makes it too big is that nearly all of them are collected in one title. There is on reason why random C and D listers are showing up. Its gotten ridiculous. Every person who's ever been a mutant is taking turn's making cameo appearances. This needs to stop. I think Fraction is going through the archives, seeing who's a mutant and finding ways to bring them on. This defiently seems the case with Cloak and Dagger. Does anyone actually think he's going to do anything with them? Cloack will show up as group teleporter which is completely redundant since he already has Magik and Pixie fufilling that role. This unfrotunetly is how it is. No characterization at all bc there's no space or time for it

Manic

10-21-2009, 12:26 AM

The fact that there's no longer a teenager book in the bunch isn't helping. We've got random New/Young X-Men popping up everywhere.

Havok83

10-21-2009, 12:32 AM

The fact that there's no longer a teenager book in the bunch isn't helping. We've got random New/Young X-Men popping up everywhere.
I didnt read the end of Young X-men. Did that team offical disband? Are they an official active group of X-men, just without a title?

UraniaChang

10-21-2009, 12:34 AM

Come to think of it, there're only 200, if it shows 10 at a time it only takes 20 turns...
While I appreciate Fraction's effort of writing Cyke's tactical side (I think Fraction must really likes him and wants him to do whatever he intends to do if Fraction were in Cyclops' shoe), and I do love how he wrote Scott played Norman (guy needs to stick to his buddy Spidey), I think taking a break once in a while from centering on Scott will be a nice change (I won't deny I love seeing Scott up and in the front, I'll be lying if I say otherwise), Manic's idea is a practical one, mange hero comics always have a huge cast but they take turns focusing on each important one and instill group story from time to time and it works nicely from my experience.

Manic

10-21-2009, 01:44 AM

I didnt read the end of Young X-men. Did that team offical disband? Are they an official active group of X-men, just without a title?
They almost disbanded, but they decided to stick together when Ink turned himself into a vegetable* to save Dust's life.

*As in, he used so much power that he placed himself in a coma.

Colossal Spoons

10-21-2009, 07:11 AM

Good riddance :o

Mystic

10-21-2009, 09:30 AM

Young X-Men? Is that a new series? I mean, how many are there, lol?!

I have to agree with squeekness on the "Uncanny X-Men" subject. It's way too crowded atm. The last thing it needs right now is more characters! And what could Gambit actually do? Still, it was interesting reading that interview. I wonder what they're going to do about/involving Gambit's "death" persona. Hmmmmmmmmm.

Havok83

10-21-2009, 10:10 AM

Havok83

10-21-2009, 09:38 PM

Theres a small Generation X reference at the end of the new issue. D.O.A. says "Man if Gen-X was here, it would be just like old times" Come on Marvel, bring this team back!

JustABill

10-21-2009, 10:35 PM

I don't want Monet leaving X-Factor so as much as I love Gen X, no thanks.

Havok83

10-22-2009, 12:17 AM

I don't want Monet leaving X-Factor so as much as I love Gen X, no thanks.
I dont read X-factor so Im all for her leaving. Besides she doesnt have to. I'll settle for a mini featuring the team

JustABill

10-22-2009, 03:03 AM

You're mistake, best X-Book.

It destroys X-Force then pisses all over it's corpse. :o

Havok83

10-22-2009, 08:46 AM

You're mistake, best X-Book.

It destroys X-Force then pisses all over it's corpse. :o
Yost and Kyle should have stole Monet over to X-force instead of Wolfsbane.

Manic

10-22-2009, 10:03 AM

I don't even want to know how badly out of character they'd write Monet.

UraniaChang

10-22-2009, 10:15 AM

They would most likely in ecstasy if they ever landed their hands on Punisher. (Not sure if K&Y ever did, I've never read Punisher)

javi1024

10-22-2009, 02:02 PM

I don't want Monet leaving X-Factor so as much as I love Gen X, no thanks.
is Monet related to Emplate? i thought that portait Rogue saw said St. Croix on it.

spark627

10-22-2009, 02:20 PM

M is Monet St. Croix, sister to Emplate

Manic

10-22-2009, 10:20 PM

Monet, Penance, and Emplate are all siblings.

Havok83

10-22-2009, 11:28 PM

Monet, Penance, and Emplate are all siblings.
you're sorta right. Monet and Emplate are siblings. However Penance is unrelated to them. It was once a shell inhabited by Monet, and later by her twin sisters. Currently Penance, now known as Hollow, has no connection to the St. Croix family

Manic

10-22-2009, 11:51 PM

I thought Penance still counted as a St. Croix after she separated from the twins.

The Englishman

10-23-2009, 05:31 AM

Havok83

10-23-2009, 07:06 AM

I thought Penance still counted as a St. Croix after she separated from the twins.
I dont think she does. She was when she was inhabited by the St. Croix girls but she isnt anymore. I didnt read Loners but apparently she got a new host. Dont know if the identity was revealed there but I know the twins arent back in her

UraniaChang

10-23-2009, 07:23 AM

You just know that Mike Carey has is own personal copy of this picture where he is in the place of Magneto......:woot:

I don't think it is worthy of envy with that kind of stiff botox-induced expression on Rogue's face.

Mike555

10-23-2009, 08:56 PM

This issue was so-so not the best atleast gambit will appear in the next issue.

squeekness

10-23-2009, 11:51 PM

Yeah, no Gambit love this time around. :( Hope next ish is better.

Mike555

10-24-2009, 10:33 AM

Yeah trying to get into mighty avengers,new mutants,x-factor and dark avengers so yeah trying to stay balanced with my old favs like amazing spider-man,ms.marvel and of course uncanny,astonshing and x-men legacy.

iamlegend

10-24-2009, 02:42 PM

Yeah, no Gambit love this time around. :( Hope next ish is better.

It's rough right now.

If Marvel/Carey was serious about getting Gambit into the fold somehow they'd at the very least let Gambit get some minor panel time with other characters. The man's been around for two decades of comics! He HAS interacted with countless figures throughout the X-Universe! Why does Carey like to think that Gambit knows Prof. X, Sinister and Rogue exclusively?

squeekness

10-24-2009, 03:39 PM

Because, contraty to what he seems to be saying, Carey is more of a Rogue fan than a Gambit one. One has to wonder just how familiar he actually is with Gambit's whole history. :(

katie_girl09

11-01-2009, 07:19 PM

You just know that Mike Carey has is own personal copy of this picture where he is in the place of Magneto......:woot:
Haaaahahahahaha! :up:

Mystic

11-10-2009, 07:39 AM

Lol!

Just pre-ordered X-Men Legacy #229! Woo! Does anyone know if there's a preview for it yet? If not, it doesn't really matter. I'm just wondering :yay:

Mystic

11-12-2009, 03:55 PM

For anyon'e who's interested I just found the preview!! It says it's been deleted but if you click on the image, you'll see that's it's still there.

My opinion:

It looks interesting. Am I the only one who doesn't like the artwork though? When did it change?! Anyway, here's the preview if you want to see it.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=3821

What do you think?

javi1024

11-12-2009, 04:30 PM

Specter313

11-12-2009, 05:10 PM

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/7868/prv3821cov.jpg

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/4517/prv3821pg1.jpg

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/2253/prv3821pg2.jpg

http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/6103/prv3821pg3.jpg

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/3788/prv3821pg4.jpg

http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/4861/prv3821pg5.jpg

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/8370/prv3821pg6.jpg

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/8370/prv3821pg6.jpg

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/1143/prv3821pg7.jpg

UraniaChang

11-12-2009, 05:59 PM

Ugh...the art...is that a pithecanthrope talking to Scott?

And get real Gambit, if Scott told Rogue no she would have whined and threw a fit and be gone herself.
NO one but you thinks that kind of behavior is even remotely cute.

Mike555

11-12-2009, 06:08 PM

Cant wait for this issue it looks great.:)

javi1024

11-12-2009, 06:29 PM

iamlegend

11-12-2009, 06:35 PM

...at least they gave Gambit a new costume.

Yeah, looks like they may have been inspired by his AOA outfit, too... what with the knives. Though I'd imagine they're a decoration at best - can't see them having him actually charge and throw them.

Oh, and I'm assuming the last panel is him trying to restrain his Death guise.

And I think the art's awful.

squeekness

11-13-2009, 12:14 AM

Mystic

11-13-2009, 08:03 AM

Yeah, you're right. I didn't notice that before. He defintely looks better in the second pic but it'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

javi1024

11-13-2009, 01:04 PM

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/squeekness/Gambit/legacygambitsnap.jpg

This.. this is fugly. :( It looks a lot like his Extreme outfit but not quite making it.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/squeekness/Gambit/Gambitextreme.jpg

Larroocca, where art thou when we need ya?
i still thought his reloaded look was his best. i was sad to see they abandonded it.
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/b/be/Remy_LeBeau_%28Earth-616%29_006.jpg

cardslinger

11-13-2009, 01:14 PM

I loved his X-Treme costume. It makes sense for Gambit to be in all black. He's a thief. I could see this new costume being alright if we had a different artist. Did they make the coat green on purpose?

squeekness

11-13-2009, 01:15 PM

^^ I liked that look as well. :)

Colossal Spoons

11-13-2009, 01:41 PM

So that's why Gambit doesn't "fit in" at Utopia. He comes in all angry.

EvilClareToo

11-13-2009, 01:47 PM

Hello Gambit fans!

I'm sorta new around here, and I've been a Gambit fan since he appeared in the comics in the beginning of the 90's (the good ol' days!) Nice to see some familiar faces (hi Mystic!) and getting to know some new ones!

Why oh why must I live in a place that only sells XMen TP's????? I'll have to wait until I'm back in the States next year to read this!

Glad to see him in a new costume, but the artwork........

Salvador Larroca, dónde estás, tío! Te echamos de menos!!!!!

squeekness

11-13-2009, 01:53 PM

Howdy and welcome! :D Hope you do get a chance to catch up on our dearest Cajun, though he hasn't done much else besides follow Rogue around. :( He needs his own ongong again.

EvilClareToo

11-14-2009, 03:16 AM

I agree! I liked him teaming up with Professor X earlier in Legacy-I like the irony that of all the X Men who retained some loyalty to Charles, it was the one who probably believed in "the dream" the least who was there for him when he needed it. I think it says a lot about Remy's character.

Yes, from the Salvation arc on, he seems to behave like an eager love struck puppy tailing after Rogue, who seems to barely return any feelings for him. I don't see why he bothers when he could have his pick of women. I hope Carey does something about this.

squeekness

11-14-2009, 10:18 AM

He probably won't. :( Carey is more in love with Rogue than he is with Gambit and it shows.

Havok83

11-14-2009, 10:39 AM

i still thought his reloaded look was his best. i was sad to see they abandonded it.
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/b/be/Remy_LeBeau_%28Earth-616%29_006.jpg
that was a good one. I really liked his Revolution one as well

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/2713/gambitrevolution.jpg (http://img27.imageshack.us/i/gambitrevolution.jpg/)

squeekness

11-14-2009, 10:42 AM

^^At one point they made his pants too loose and baggy and I didn't like it as much. :(

Mike555

11-14-2009, 01:49 PM

I loved gambit's 90's look that was the golden age of gambit.:)

The Englishman

11-15-2009, 10:20 AM

I loved gambit's 90's look that was the golden age of gambit.:)
What you mean his current look...

squeekness

11-15-2009, 11:25 AM

I just doubt he would really wear all that magenta in the real world. It kinda stands out when as a thief, you'd think he'd try not to be noticed. :p

Havok83

11-15-2009, 12:55 PM

Gambit likes the challenge

EvilClareToo

11-15-2009, 03:30 PM

Gambit likes the challenge

hahahahahahahahaha!

Well, at least he is secure in his masculinity!

squeekness

11-15-2009, 03:33 PM

You'd have to be with those pants. :p Though they were nice and tight. :up:

katie_girl09

11-15-2009, 09:26 PM

It's so weird how he made those pants so manly.

squeekness

11-16-2009, 01:02 PM

Gambit could make a burlap bag look sexy. :p

Specter313

11-16-2009, 06:30 PM

http://comicbookresources.com/images/solicits/marvelcomics/201002_advance/128_X_MEN_LEGACY_233.jpg

X-MEN LEGACY #233
Written by MIKE CAREY
Penciled by CLAY MANN
Cover by ADI GRANOV
Special Variant by TBA
"Necrosha" Tie-In
The most powerful villain the X-Men has ever faced is back. PROTEUS has returned and he is more powerful than ever! Now the X-Men must stop him where he died: Muir Island. Failure is not an option as this madman makes his move to block the X-Men from stopping Selene and her plans in Necrosha.
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

iamlegend

11-16-2009, 07:38 PM

X-MEN LEGACY #233
Written by MIKE CAREY
Penciled by CLAY MANN
Cover by ADI GRANOV
Special Variant by TBA
"Necrosha" Tie-In
The most powerful villain the X-Men has ever faced is back. PROTEUS has returned and he is more powerful than ever! Now the X-Men must stop him where he died: Muir Island. Failure is not an option as this madman makes his move to block the X-Men from stopping Selene and her plans in Necrosha.
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

...Sigh. I think Necrosha and it's endless resurrections will be the final stake through my X-Men readership.

Havok83

11-16-2009, 07:45 PM

Necrosha has been great but I think they are going overboard bringing back everyone. Some people make sense but some are simply WTF.

Colossal Spoons

11-16-2009, 07:50 PM

Why do you dislike them so much? It's kinda thole point of the event.

Mike555

11-16-2009, 08:00 PM

Ok proteus? I'm for him coming back.

Havok83

11-16-2009, 08:06 PM

Why do you dislike them so much? It's kinda thole point of the event.
I dont dislike them. Selene , at least in some of the other issues specifically brought back characters to get revenge on people who have hurt her and that she wants to see suffer. She brought back Thunderbird and Risque for Warpath, the Hellions for the New Mutants/Emma, Bezerker for Cyclops, Shinobi for Sebastian, etc.. Proteus seems kinda odd. I wonder who he's been back for. Im guessing Colossus bc thats the person that killed him but Selene doesnt seem to have a score to settle with him

Specter313

11-16-2009, 08:13 PM

I dont dislike them. Selene , at least in some of the other issues specifically brought back characters to get revenge on people who have hurt her and that she wants to see suffer. She brought back Thunderbird and Risque for Warpath, the Hellions for the New Mutants/Emma, Bezerker for Cyclops, Shinobi for Sebastian, etc.. Proteus seems kinda odd. I wonder who he's been back for. Im guessing Colossus bc thats the person that killed him but Selene doesnt seem to have a score to settle with him

The last Legacy solicit said that someone hitched a ride with Destiny when she was brought back, so maybe Proteus is who they were talking about.

iamlegend

11-16-2009, 08:16 PM

Why do you dislike them so much? It's kinda thole point of the event.

Because the entire event seems to be one big vehicle for pointless resurrections? Which I despise.

If we were only seeing 100% story-driven resurrections, I'd at the very least be able to stomach it. But we're starting to see more and more "Just because" resurrections that are essentially wizzing on years and years of established stories.

Mike555

11-16-2009, 08:18 PM

I cna tell you 95% percent of these characters will be killed all over again.

Jake Cassidy

11-16-2009, 08:25 PM

I just want Banshee to stick around.

Havok83

11-16-2009, 08:37 PM

I cna tell you 95% percent of these characters will be killed all over again.
I sure hope not. What a waste. I want Selene to be succesful in creating Necrosha and reigning over it as Queen. I dont want the X-men to win this battle

Mike555

11-16-2009, 08:46 PM

Well it loooks like they will like in inferno and utopia and everyting else.

Colossal Spoons

11-16-2009, 08:53 PM

Because the entire event seems to be one big vehicle for pointless resurrections? Which I despise.

If we were only seeing 100% story-driven resurrections, I'd at the very least be able to stomach it. But we're starting to see more and more "Just because" resurrections that are essentially wizzing on years and years of established stories.

Like Mike555 said, I'm sure most of those people will die again so not to worry. Besides, they don't act like their former selves; more like intelligent zombies.

Havok83

11-16-2009, 08:56 PM

Like Mike555 said, I'm sure most of those people will die again so not to worry. Besides, they don't act like their former selves; more like intelligent zombies.
I actually think they are acting like themselves for the most part and less like zombies, which I thought they would be

Mike555

11-16-2009, 08:57 PM

I'm certain that 90% percent wont even make it after the event.

OutcryX

11-17-2009, 09:45 AM

the ones that SHOULD be dead will probably die again...like Thunderbird and hopefully Proteus..Moira is dead and Banshee is recently dead...nobody for him to make uncomfortable...except maybe Colossus..but he has Illyana's return to deal with, which he isn't...I want Risque to stick around though..and Blink..unless they have plans to bring her cooler, good guy AoA/Exile version to the 616..Banshee can stay alive too..kill his daughter...

Colossal Spoons

11-17-2009, 10:07 AM

God, I'd love to see Banshee kill Siryn

Havok83

11-17-2009, 12:00 PM

Id love to see Banshee stay too. He'd be great to join some of the senior members in reopening the school and Id love to see him as headmaster again

Colossal Spoons

11-17-2009, 12:30 PM

Banshee's death was BS anyway

squeekness

11-17-2009, 12:57 PM

God, I'd love to see Banshee kill SirynThis is wrong on so many levels. :p

Havok83

11-17-2009, 01:03 PM

This is wrong on so many levels. :p
IA. I dont like Siryn and if she died, I wouldnt mind, but dont want Banshee to be the one to do her in

OutcryX

11-17-2009, 01:05 PM

Banshee's death was BS anyway
it certainly was, especially to intro a whack lame azz character like Vulcan

OutcryX

11-17-2009, 01:06 PM

IA. I dont like Siryn and if she died, I wouldnt mind, but dont want Banshee to be the one to do her in
i just want her dead n gone..doesn't matter who does it or their reasons behind it

Colossal Spoons

11-17-2009, 01:07 PM

it certainly was, especially to intro a whack lame azz character like Vulcan

I like Gabe :o

i just want her dead n gone..doesn't matter who does it or their reasons behind it

Yup, pretty much

squeekness

11-17-2009, 01:09 PM

I could care less about her either way, most of my faves are guys anyhow.

Havok83

11-17-2009, 01:19 PM

I like Gabe :o

loll..your the first person Ive ever seen admit that

Colossal Spoons

11-17-2009, 01:25 PM

Ha, people hate him like they hate Daken. Cuz he's different lol.

OutcryX

11-17-2009, 01:35 PM

i dont hate Daken...i do hate vulcan tho. i'd take Adam X anyday over Gabriel

squeekness

11-17-2009, 01:45 PM

Ha, people hate him like they hate Daken. Cuz he's different lol.LOL, Daken is one of my faves. :p I love watching him stir up trouble. He's so nasty.

JustABill

11-17-2009, 01:48 PM

I'm starting to come around to Daken. I still can't get into Vulcan though. He's just the epitome of lame and cliche.

Colossal Spoons

11-17-2009, 02:09 PM

I need a longer and more conclusive Daken vs X-23 fight too

BoredGuy

11-17-2009, 02:11 PM

....and Daken isn't lame and cliched, how, exactly??

They both suck, but Vulcan actually filled some plot holes and had a(admittedly weak) story purpose. Daken was just shoehorned in to have a young-cool-tattooed Wolverine.

So I would take vulcan over Daken any day...

Plus that sum***** stood toe-to-toe with Blackbolt, pretty BA

Generation Lee

11-17-2009, 02:41 PM

Oh God they're forgetting HOM again although its been tied up with Second comming. Proteus was ressurected by the SW and is now in the body of EXiles morph. Was I the only one to read HOM Exiles????

Colossal Spoons

11-17-2009, 02:51 PM

I thought the Proteus from Exiles was from another universe

Mike555

11-17-2009, 04:53 PM

Oh yeah stupid writers he already came back idot writers!

UraniaChang

11-17-2009, 05:54 PM

Colossal Spoons

11-17-2009, 05:55 PM

Proteus is pretty much an evil Karma. And after he possesses you, you kinda die.

javi1024

11-17-2009, 06:06 PM

Um...one question please.

Who is Proteus?

Thanks in advance.

Btw, Daken is a character I never bother to pay more than five fleeting seconds to care, what's the point anyway? I can just look at Wolverine instead, he's ugly, but after more than two decades you get used to it.
he was Moira McTaggert's son who had insane reality-warping powers. if i remember correctly he required a host body to survive, so he jumped from body to body and the X-Men were forced to kill him. this was just before the X-Men were sent into space and Jean became the Phoenix.

...does anybody else hate the idea of "reality warping powers"? Proteus, Franklin Richards, Jamie Braddock, Scarlet Witch, Onslaught, Goblin Queen, Cylcopalypse. isnt there a better ultimate threat out there that isn't so vague? how are these heroes really supposed to beat someone who's essentially a god?

Jake Cassidy

11-17-2009, 06:26 PM

As for Vulcan, Nate should go kick his arse.

Colossal Spoons

11-17-2009, 06:50 PM

I totally forgot about Jamie Braddock. That mofo is the Daffy Duck of the MU

OutcryX

11-17-2009, 07:45 PM

he was Moira McTaggert's son who had insane reality-warping powers. if i remember correctly he required a host body to survive, so he jumped from body to body and the X-Men were forced to kill him. this was just before the X-Men were sent into space and Jean became the Phoenix.

...does anybody else hate the idea of "reality warping powers"? Proteus, Franklin Richards, Jamie Braddock, Scarlet Witch, Onslaught, Goblin Queen, Cylcopalypse. isnt there a better ultimate threat out there that isn't so vague? how are these heroes really supposed to beat someone who's essentially a god?

you left off the always fogotten grandson of Destiny..kid names Trevor...the hounds were after him

so are the predator x's rehashed more dangerous versions of the hounds?

Havok83

11-17-2009, 08:26 PM

he was Moira McTaggert's son who had insane reality-warping powers. if i remember correctly he required a host body to survive, so he jumped from body to body and the X-Men were forced to kill him. this was just before the X-Men were sent into space and Jean became the Phoenix.

...does anybody else hate the idea of "reality warping powers"? Proteus, Franklin Richards, Jamie Braddock, Scarlet Witch, Onslaught, Goblin Queen, Cylcopalypse. isnt there a better ultimate threat out there that isn't so vague? how are these heroes really supposed to beat someone who's essentially a god?
Actually this happened after Jean became Phoenix. She fought Proteus as Phoenix.. This happened just before she became Dark Phoenix and died

Oh and yes I hate reality warping powers as well. You forgot to add Mikhail Rasputin to that list

javi1024

11-17-2009, 08:41 PM

Actually this happened after Jean became Phoenix. She fought Proteus as Phoenix.. This happened just before she became Dark Phoenix and died

Oh and yes I hate reality warping powers as well. You forgot to add Mikhail Rasputin to that list
thank you on both counts. i also forgot to mention Adversary.

UraniaChang

11-17-2009, 11:12 PM

Thank eyeryone above who answered my question, there're just too many characters and issues I don't have the time to explore.

Thank you all!

Havok83

11-19-2009, 12:42 AM

yawn what a boring issue. Im sick of Rogue and her excellent adventure. This story really should have only lasted 2 issues, the annual and Legacy 228. It feels as if its dragging and we still have another issue to go

squeekness

11-19-2009, 09:24 AM

I was disappointed in the Gambit bits. (See the Gambit thread). :( So confusing....

javi1024

11-19-2009, 10:24 AM

it looked like his kinetic cards turned into death cards. kinda cool....i guess.

Mystic

11-19-2009, 11:38 AM

Wow. This is disappointing. I just found out that Gambit is only in about 3 pages in X-Men Legacy #229. They might as well have just put Rogue on the front cover! It doesn't look like Gambit gets to do much at all :csad:

To be honest, I would like to see somebody else write X-Men Legacy for a while. Carey obviously likes Rogue a lot but I think Havok is right. This story arc is just dragging on and on. We need something different for a change!

chamber-music

11-19-2009, 12:27 PM

I totally forgot about Jamie Braddock. That mofo is the Daffy Duck of the MU
Crazy dude running around in is underwear!
LOL, Daken is one of my faves. :p I love watching him stir up trouble. He's so nasty.

I feel the same way his enjoyable because he revels in messing with people and he has enough awareness to realise his jackass and he doesn't care about it.

I like the fact he messes with regular people for fun as well not just superheroes :woot:

squeekness

11-19-2009, 12:56 PM

Varient

11-19-2009, 01:09 PM

Yeah, looks like Legacy is the Rogue show now. :( *sigh*

I'm kinda surprised marvel didn't take this moment to have Rogue latch onto and permenently take an asgardians powerset,... :whatever:

Colossal Spoons

11-19-2009, 01:10 PM

I doubt it'll be Rogue-centric after this arc. Put the pitchforks down people :o

squeekness

11-19-2009, 01:14 PM

I doubt it'll be Rogue-centric after this arc. Put the pitchforks down people :oReally? She's the writer's favorite character. :(

UraniaChang

11-19-2009, 05:51 PM

Ummm...*note to myself*

*scratch Legacy from my to-buy list*

Colossal Spoons

11-19-2009, 05:58 PM

Really? She's the writer's favorite character. :(

Yeah, and the book hasn't been all about Rogue in forever. We have no reason to believe it'll go back to that. The solicits for Jan and Feb don't make it seem that way :up:

Jake Cassidy

11-19-2009, 06:24 PM

Psylocke and Nightcrawler are gonna be in Legacy in the coming months. That's enough to keep me reading. As long as Carey doesn't screw 'em up.

OutcryX

11-20-2009, 12:48 AM

because he certainly made Gambit likable again....

Havok83

11-20-2009, 06:54 AM

His Psylocke should be intersting bc apparently he loves her. He wanted her back when he first started writing but Marvel wouldnt let himbc CC had a lock on her.

squeekness

11-20-2009, 12:17 PM

So we go from the Rogue show to the Psylocke show? :p Awesome.

BoredGuy

11-20-2009, 01:41 PM

^^That'd be a nice change!...for a while at least...

iamlegend

11-20-2009, 03:22 PM

So we go from the Rogue show to the Psylocke show? :p Awesome.

I feel like Rogue's not exactly getting sidelined... she's just being paired with ANOTHER of Carey's little obsessions.

I'm near the point of just wanting Gambit's character to be killed off so I can abandon the X-Verse entirely.

katie_girl09

11-21-2009, 11:41 AM

^I know, eh? I actually wouldn't mind it if they killed him off and someone who actually understood and cared about the character resurrected him later on. If Gambit were killed off, I can honestly say that I too would freely not care about the X-universe anymore. There's nothing else there to make me stay. The writing is so terrible.

OutcryX

11-21-2009, 11:42 AM

X-Men; Legacy aka Rogue and her amazing friends!

Remember when people liked Carey? I think we still would if he hadn't been given free reign to mary sue up Rogue and stuck to his fan-fic-ous team lineups...but he is sorta doing that again with all the random x-kids that nobody gives a **** about popping up...bout time he got some actual X-men to play with...

squeekness

11-21-2009, 12:38 PM

I feel like Rogue's not exactly getting sidelined... she's just being paired with ANOTHER of Carey's little obsessions.

I'm near the point of just wanting Gambit's character to be killed off so I can abandon the X-Verse entirely.:eek: Blasphamy! :argh: