Official X-MEN: LEGACY Discussion Thread

[Colossal Spoons]

There is absolutely nothing about homosexuality that can be considered a "fad"

But please. Explain your point.

Spark627 summed my point up pretty well. Northstar and Ultimate Colossus have been two of the best handled homosexual X-Men. They don't act ultra-feminine and it doesn't add some unecessary aspect to the book. Jean-Paul likes men...awesome. Ultimate Petey and Ultimate Jean-Paul are a couple...awesome. Anole is still getting comfortable with his homosexuality....very interesting. Bobby or Sam being gay....I say "for what"?

[squeekness]

Did you guys read the same comic I did? Becasue I saw nothing there that would even imply Bobby and Cannonall were gay. Yeah, Cannonball picked Bobby up off the floor but hey, that's what team mates do. He took him down to the infirmary and put him in bed. They touched fists when Bobby asked Sam to thank Mystique, and they did this in a room full of people. In what way does this make them gay? Someone please explain, becuase I really dislike it when folks infer man "friendliness" as being gay. What? A guy can't high five the one who picked him up off of a floor of broken glass and crumbled walls? I dont' get it. [confused]

[Colossal Spoons]

Some of us saw some gay undertones, but most of us are just commenting on the unecessarity of making either of them gay :)

[squeekness]

Ah. ;) I myself have no problem with making anyone in particular gay, I just get irked when folks see stuff that isn't there. I thought Marvel was being better about who is what these days. :)

[Colossal Spoons]

Well, anything to shock us into buying the book right? :rolleyes:

[squeekness]

Hey, whatever works. :D :p

I'd still rather have a regular go gay then get killed off.

[Colossal Spoons]

I hate that both possibilities get put in the same "How Can We Get More People To Buy The Book?" category :(

[LEX]

I, for one, thought it was sweet to see the male bonding between Sam and Bobby. Ok, they might or might not be gay, but let's not be a buzzkill and admire their ambiguous relationship. http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/9769/cursin10xw5.gif

I'm not really feeling the hype surrounding Serafina. People are saying "omfg, Serafina has the potentials to be the greatest villain evaaarr!!!11!", but I don't see it.

In closure, I'd like to say, Rogue kicked ass and so did Northstar. Poor Anole, having to find out that his favourite teacher has been horribly mind-****ed that way. A knock to the kisser, K.O.!

[OutcryX]

I, for one, thought it was sweet to see the male bonding between Sam and Bobby. Ok, they might or might not be gay, but let's not be a buzzkill and admire their ambiguous relationship. http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/9769/cursin10xw5.gif

I'm not really feeling the hype surrounding Serafina. People are saying "omfg, Serafina has the potentials to be the greatest villain evaaarr!!!11!", but I don't see it.

In closure, I'd like to say, Rogue kicked ass and so did Northstar. Poor Anole, having to find out that his favourite teacher has been horribly mind-****ed that way. A knock to the kisser, K.O.!


Wait...Serafina is gonna be a bad guy? I thought people were sayin she was gonna join up? I'd prefer her over Lady mastermind. isn't Serafina a Prime Sentinel? I always thought that they were cool and wanted one to be a good guy. So does she have unlimited power or she just have a whole darn bunch at her disposal? Can she be shut down? the robotics removed, or are they a part of her very being now...ala Lady Deathstrike???

[Valechan]

Like I said before, and nobody answered..., Serafina's powers remind me too much of Sage... why is it that people like her but dislike Tessa??

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, she is very damn Sage-like. Sux that Sage isn't really being used properly over in New Excalibur.

[Specter313]

Wait...Serafina is gonna be a bad guy? I thought people were sayin she was gonna join up? I'd prefer her over Lady mastermind. isn't Serafina a Prime Sentinel? I always thought that they were cool and wanted one to be a good guy. So does she have unlimited power or she just have a whole darn bunch at her disposal? Can she be shut down? the robotics removed, or are they a part of her very being now...ala Lady Deathstrike???

Serafina is the goth looking girl with The Children. Karima Shapandar is the prime sentinel.

[LEX]

The Children of the Vault are evil, I presume?

[Specter313]

The Children of the Vault are evil, I presume?


Apparently, since they're the ones with this vendetta against the X-Men. I've seen it theorized that they could be some product of Sinister.

[Balian]

Apparently, since they're the ones with this vendetta against the X-Men. I've seen it theorized that they could be some product of Sinister.And hasn't Gambit gone off with Sinister?

[Specter313]

And hasn't Gambit gone off with Sinister?

Yeah, but their connection with him is only pure speculation at this point, and it's very unlikely also.

[Balian]

Yeah, but their connection with him is only pure speculation at this point, and it's very unlikely also.Stranger things have happened.

[ProfeZZor X]

Apparently, since they're the ones with this vendetta against the X-Men. I've seen it theorized that they could be some product of Sinister.

But how does the acronym PAN tie into Sinister?

1) Post Apocalyptic Nerds
2) People Against Newbies
3) Poptarts Are Necessities

[squeekness]

But how does the acronym PAN tie into Sinister?

1) Post Apocalyptic Nerds
2) People Against Newbies
3) Poptarts Are NecessitiesI vote for option 3! :D

[squeekness]

Apparently, since they're the ones with this vendetta against the X-Men. I've seen it theorized that they could be some product of Sinister.Since they claim to be niether human nor mutant, I was wondering if they were Shi'ar and they are in a vendetta against the coming wrath of Vulcan. :)

[Specter313]

Since they claim to be niether human nor mutant, I was wondering if they were Shi'ar and they are in a vendetta against the coming wrath of Vulcan. :)

I think they'll turn out to be something brand new, since they don't want anyone to know about them. Kinda like how the Inhumans tried to keep themselves such a secret.

[ProfeZZor X]

I think they'll turn out to be something brand new, since they don't want anyone to know about them. Kinda like how the Inhumans tried to keep themselves such a secret.

I may even go as far as saying they're a product of the viral infection process in which this entire story arc started... Infecting humans with a mutant "virus", to see if it's contagious.... And they are the result.

[mightiest_mortal]

I think they'll turn out to be something brand new, since they don't want anyone to know about them. Kinda like how the Inhumans tried to keep themselves such a secret.
I hope theyre something really weird.
Weve already had the Neo, weve already had the Inhumans... if theyre yet ANOTHER something else then theyve gotta be something special.

Im really curious what peoples favourite X-Title is now. Id say the Two core titles are starting to give Astonishing a run for its money.



....also.. is it my imagination, or is Rogue actually becoming a likeable character again at long last?

[LEX]

....also.. is it my imagination, or is Rogue actually becoming a likeable character again at long last?
No.

Emma: "They saw an angel, but I am fairly sure she was a post-production effect."

Rogue: "You mean like your hair?"

You can't not love her now.

[ProfeZZor X]

From what I understand, Clayton Henry will be doing #191 and Bachalo is out. According to rumors, Bachalo fell behind with his work with the 2 issues that came out last month, so Marvel let Henry take over for this one issue... It may be for this one issue, but as far as I can tell Bachalo is still in the game. He just needed time to finish the story arc.

Here is a quote from Henry:

I just completed issue #191 of X-men, written by Mike Carey. I can't express how much fun it was working from Carey's script. The X-men are returning to their glory days and it is great being a part of it. This is issue is probably the best work I've ever done. I hope you will check it out. I will now begin work on Uncanny X-men #480. No rest for the weary.

I certainly hope he retains Iceman's "chunky elf" look that Bachalo established. Otherwise, I think I'll pull my hair out if he gave him that tired @$$ streamlined look again.

Here is a sample of Clayton's work.

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0303/12/e34.jpg

[Specter313]

It's not like this is a surprise. Mark Brooks was already solicited as doing fill-in art for issue #191, but I guess he dropped out. This should have been expected anyways, with most of the issues at the beginning of these new team's runs coming out at such close intervals, the artists aren't going to be able to completely stay caught up, hence why Clayton Henry is doing every third issue of Uncanny, and apparently issue 191 here.

[ghost113]

Clayton henry is the substitue teacher of X-men artists.

[OutcryX]

Serafina is the goth looking girl with The Children. Karima Shapandar is the prime sentinel.

Ahhh ok.....well what i said before but now in perspective to Karima Shapandar

..*ahem*
isn't Karima a Prime Sentinel? I always thought that they were cool and wanted one to be a good guy. So does she have unlimited power or she just have a whole darn bunch of fire power at her disposal? Can she be shut down? the robotics removed, or are they a part of her very being now...ala Lady Deathstrike???

[usagicassidy]

I don't like his art.

[ghost113]

Clayton henry's you mean. it's okay but I wish they would get some one else.

[Valechan]

I don't care much about the art, as long as the story is good, I'll keep buying.

[Generation Lee]

I loving this arc so much but the art is hit and miss at times I agree with whoever posted regarding the nose plaster of Sabertooth its crap!

Anyway hated the fact that Wolverine smelt cyber chick. I'm sorry but isn't that Jean Grey's son in the room. If anyone should have picked her up it was him. Kitty as well may have been creditable simply because of her and electrics.

[Specter313]

I loving this arc so much but the art is hit and miss at times I agree with whoever posted regarding the nose plaster of Sabertooth its crap!

Anyway hated the fact that Wolverine smelt cyber chick. I'm sorry but isn't that Jean Grey's son in the room. If anyone should have picked her up it was him. Kitty as well may have been creditable simply because of her and electrics.

Cable has lost his telekinesis and telepathy, that's why he wouldn't pick her up. And Kitty is only good at working with electronics, not sensing them.

[ProfeZZor X]

I loving this arc so much but the art is hit and miss at times I agree with whoever posted regarding the nose plaster of Sabertooth its crap!

Anyway hated the fact that Wolverine smelt cyber chick. I'm sorry but isn't that Jean Grey's son in the room. If anyone should have picked her up it was him. Kitty as well may have been creditable simply because of her and electrics.

Just because Serefina wasn't visable, it doesn't mean she's not vulnerable to all the other human senses (sound, taste, touch, smell). :daredevil

[OutcryX]

So....if Cable has lost his telekinesis and telepathy..whats that leave him with? I thought he was supposed to be Uber-powerful now

[ProfeZZor X]

So....if Cable has lost his telekinesis and telepathy..whats that leave him with? I thought he was supposed to be Uber-powerful now

Didn't he tell Sabertooth he could insert false memories into him in #190?

Maybe that's his power now...

[Specter313]

So....if Cable has lost his telekinesis and telepathy..whats that leave him with? I thought he was supposed to be Uber-powerful now

I don't know if they're completely gone, but they were majorly burnt out after the Cable & Deadpool arc where he faced the Silver Surfer, and then one of the arcs afterward where he had to have brain surgery to save him. If they're still there, they're at such low levels that it's pretty much the same as not having them anymore.

Now, he's merged with a thing called the infonet and has cyberpathy which gives him a tremendous amount of access to knowledge from all over the world that lets him learn things in a similar way to his telepathy. He also uses something, I don't know what it's called I'd have to look it up, that mimics his telepathy, but they're nothing like his powers.

[Colossal Spoons]

^The Dominus Objective? (sp*)

[Specter313]

^The Dominus Objective? (sp*)

That sounds about right.

[Generation Lee]

So basically he's Sage now and I still think that classing him as a mutant is wrong all this power is artifical. He gets a worse deal than Jean in terms of what can a writer do to him.

Well in terms of Kitty I was thinking if the Cyber girl went near her Kitty would somehow interefere with her field. Long shot I know but Kitty does affact electrics while phasing through them.

[Xplicit Content]

Finally got 190...good issue. I'm liking "The Children"...they're good additions to the X-Men's rogue gallery. And just to segue, I also like how Rogue's being written...I love Emma like porn, but that crack Rogue made about her hair was great.

The lineup still bothers me though...I don't know exactly what the plans are with Karima and Lady Mastermind, whether longterm or not, but I hope 2 team spots aren't going to be wasted on them...I hope they're only around for a few issues and spots are given to more worthy characters...Husk being one. I guess I'm really not giving them a fair shot, but I can't help it.

[Mistopurr83]

The lineup still bothers me though...I don't know exactly what the plans are with Karima and Lady Mastermind, whether longterm or not, but I hope 2 team spots aren't going to be wasted on them...I hope they're only around for a few issues and spots are given to more worthy characters...Husk being one. I guess I'm really not giving them a fair shot, but I can't help it.

Ditto on the adjectiveless and uncanny lineups. Those lineups are one of the reasons why I'm not reading x-men comics right now. I don't really think Rogue is in character again. If she was she wouldn't be on the same team as Mystique. I thought Rogue still hated her. If Rogue was still in character, she wouldn't have allowed Gambit to be taken away as Death and she would've left the x-men for letting Mystique on the team. Continuity has become too big of a problem at Marvel lately. I mean what the **** were they thinking??? In real life and only a decade ago in the comics, the x-men wouldn't have allowed famous villains like Juggernaut, Sabretooth, Mystique and probably Emma Frost on the team.:o Anyway there won't be anymore Marvel comics for me until all this BS gets resolved or blown over somehow.

[Specter313]

Ditto on the adjectiveless and uncanny lineups. Those lineups are one of the reasons why I'm not reading x-men comics right now. I don't really think Rogue is in character again. If she was she wouldn't be on the same team as Mystique. I thought Rogue still hated her. If Rogue was still in character, she wouldn't have allowed Gambit to be taken away as Death and she would've left the x-men for letting Mystique on the team. Continuity has become too big of a problem at Marvel lately. I mean what the **** were they thinking??? In real life and only a decade ago in the comics, the x-men wouldn't have allowed famous villains like Juggernaut, Sabretooth, Mystique and probably Emma Frost on the team.:o Anyway there won't be anymore Marvel comics for me until all this BS gets resolved or blown over somehow.

Then why are you even here? If you had any concept of Rogue, you'd know that it makes perfect sense for her to want to be on the same team as Mystique, but of course, you can't get past your own clouded vision.

[Charlie No-One]

The only reason Mystique is on the team is because Rogue wants to make sure if she ever sitches sides, she will be the one to stop her.

[Mogwai]

The only reason Mystique is on the team is because Rogue wants to make sure if she ever sitches sides, she will be the one to stop her.
Which is pretty much inevitable IMO.

[ProfeZZor X]

Another three weeks before we see the likes of the X-Men again.... Damn.

In the mean time, I vote that we come up with our own speculation topics, until then.... I'll start:

1) Since Beast has been featured in a couple of X-Men issues, do you think he'll play a bigger role somewhere down the line in this particular book?

2) Seeing that the X-Men always come out on top, do you think the Children will die towards the end of this arc, or just kind of fade away in defeat?

3) Are you looking forward to Carey's next story arc?

[Prettyboy]

Another three weeks before we see the likes of the X-Men again.... Damn.

In the mean time, I vote that we come up with our own speculation topics, until then.... I'll start:

1) Since Beast has been featured in a couple of X-Men issues, do you think he'll play a bigger role somewhere down the line in this particular book?

2) Seeing that the X-Men always come out on top, do you think the Children will die towards the end of this arc, or just kind of fade away in defeat?

3) Are you looking forward to Carey's next story arc?


I think Beast's big role will remail with AXM.

[MRAZR]

Liking "The Children"...they're good additions to the X-Men's rogue gallery. also like how Rogue's being written...The lineup still bothers me though...I don't know exactly what the plans are with Karima and Lady Mastermind,
LOVE LOVE the children,karima and praying they make lady mastermind interesting- I'm willing to give her a chance but don't replace her with Husk just to add a blond. Speaking of the Guthries I could live without Cannonball he's sweet but he's never been interesting. Hope Serafina can mess him up good or else why not let them make him be gay? He's here do something with him or it's pointless. As for Boobby I'd love to see him hook up with a strong female character but not Mystique.

Love Cable and Sabretooth . Love Rogue's characterization- right on point-
especially the innovative ways she uses other people's powers. I think she kinda makes them look bad doing stuff they never dreamed of taking chances they never have even tho she lacks experience. I always thought Aurora could be interesting if done right (not crazy).
I thought the blond from the children was Skids and the other guy looked like ghostrider?? Are the Children Latin American?

[ProfeZZor X]

LOVE LOVE the children,karima and praying they make lady mastermind interesting- I'm willing to give her a chance but don't replace her with Husk just to add a blond. Speaking of the Guthries I could live without Cannonball he's sweet but he's never been interesting. Hope Serafina can mess him up good or else why not let them make him be gay? He's here do something with him or it's pointless. As for Bobby I'd love to see him hook up with a strong female character but not Mystique.

Love Cable and Sabretooth . Love Rogue's characterization- right on point-
especially the innovative ways she uses other people's powers. I think she kinda makes them look bad doing stuff they never dreamed of taking chances they never have even tho she lacks experience. I always thought Aurora could be interesting if done right (not crazy).
I thought the blond from the children was Skids and the other guy looked like ghostrider?? Are the Children Latin American?

Welcome aboard!!!! :yay:

Glad to hear you're in agreement with my thoughts on Iceman and his relationship. I haven't really seen any strong interaction with any of the women in the current line up, save Rogue and Mystique (during X-Men Forever), so it's kind of hard to visualize him being with Karima or Lady Mastermind. Who knows, it could be with someone totally unexpected, like Aurora.

[Mistopurr83]

The only reason Mystique is on the team is because Rogue wants to make sure if she ever sitches sides, she will be the one to stop her.

How would she stop her? And what issue mentioned that reason??? Last I saw the only reason Mystique is on the team is b/c Cyclops allowed her in.:o That only made him look out of character too.

[Charlie No-One]

The first issue of the new run.

[Mistopurr83]

It still doesn't make sense. Why does she want Mystique to stay one the team anyway???

[GreatWhiteWhale]

I think where meant to forget about the semantics and focus on what a cool dynamic her and Sabretooth add to the team.

I think this could have been a case of Carey going "Now, who would make a 'unique and interesting' X-Men team..." and then staging instant incorporation. It seems like a shift of the paradigm rather than being anything organic.

I think Carey is an example of writer who places heavy importance on characterizations and relationships which outweigh the importance placed on narrative and the history.

Regardless, I suspect in twelve issues time we won't care about how jarring and gimicky this seemed to some readers, and in fifty issues time we may be regarding Carey's X-Men run as one of the most 'unique and interesting' X-Men runs of the franchise.

[JustABill]

Rogue says in the first issue of Carey's run something along the likes of ''I want Mystique."

Cyclops initally rejects the idea. Rogue says ''I have to be the one to watch her. I have to be there to break her arms in case she decides to backstab us."

Justly having them both acting in character. You must be reading different books. :rolleyes:

[Specter313]

How would she stop her? And what issue mentioned that reason??? Last I saw the only reason Mystique is on the team is b/c Cyclops allowed her in.:o That only made him look out of character too.

Yeah, because it was completely out of character to let Emma Frost, Juggernaut, Gambit, and even your precious Rogue on the team just because they're former villains. *huge :rolleyes:* Get out of your hole already.

[Mistopurr83]

Rogue says in the first issue of Carey's run something along the likes of ''I want Mystique."

Cyclops initally rejects the idea. Rogue says ''I have to be the one to watch her. I have to be there to break her arms in case she decides to backstab us."

Justly having them both acting in character. You must be reading different books. :rolleyes:

It still makes me not wanna read the issues including them. Swaping heros doesn't do it for me. It's one of the most horrifying things Marvel has ever done. Anyway, Sabretooth and Mystique being on the team is probably not gonna last real long. 12 issues maybe? The team lineups seem to keep changing every year or two. I've heard Emma Frost is on the new Hellfire Club lineup. Does that mean she's not gonna remain with the x-men much longer? Then Juggernaut was on the team for a while but, now he's on the new Excalibur team. It seems like these famous villains get removed from the x-men teams eventually does it not?

[JustABill]

Emma Frost's Hellfire Club is all a figment of her mind or something of the likes. She's not going anywhere.

Mystique and Sabretooth most likely won't remain X-Men, no, but as of now, their inclusions in this story makes sense.

[Specter313]

Just ignore him Bill. He's one of those guys who has to have things exactly the way he wants them, or they suck or he refuses to acknowledge that they exist.

[GreatWhiteWhale]

I still think that Rogue saying "I want Mystique (for the team)" is probably more likely voicing Carey's desires rather than Rogue's. Then again, the X-Men have always housed villains and Rogue *might* be responding to that history. Hell even Banshee and Multiple-Man were villains once (i think).

It's always been a place that has encouraged reform (just look at Magneto's relationship with the X-men, and as has been noted above - Rogue, Gambit, Juggernaut, Emma Frost and some could say Havok and Wolverine). BUT- Mystique and Sabretooth (despite having been in X-Factor) do seem to me to be a more brutal variety of villain and their inclusion on the team initially struck me as illogical and without respect for history (considering what Xavier said during 'Mystique' and Mystiques attack on Banshee, Sabretooth's attack on Psylocke etc etc) - HOWEVER - having read Carey's issues I am willing to accept his explanation (for their inclusion on the team) as it provides interesting stories and dynamics.


You would be doing yourself a major disfavour by not giving this book a chance. It is a fresh type of X-Men and may very well end up completely outshining Brubaker and Whedon's books.

[Rogue's Hand]

I have a strange feeling Mystique might want Rogue back...
Can you imagine Rogue as a villain again?:huh:

[Brainiac 8]

It was all in character. I hate when the writer's always fall back on the easy and comfortable. (Milligan and Clairemont I'm looking at you! :cmad:)

Both of the new writers have now changed the dynamic of the teams, and it so far has been for the better. Carey has Bobby acting in character, which he hasn't done in years. Having former villians on the team brings back a similar dynamic we had when Rogue joined originally.

And Brubaker has now added a bruiser that isn't Peter or Wolverine, and a character we haven't seen in years to boot. :up:

[OutcryX]

edit

[Specter313]

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Dec06/main/XMEN197COVER_400.jpg



X-MEN #194
Written by MIKE CAREY
Pencils & Cover by CHRIS BACHALO
“PRIMARY INFECTION” Part 1 (of 3)!
Having barely survived their first mission as a team, Rogue’s squad immediately find themselves up against another new mysterious threat! What does the man called Pan want with the X-Men, and what is he willing to do to get it?!
32 PGS./Rated A ...$2.99

[JustABill]

o_O. Carey loves creating new villians doesn't he?

[Brainiac 8]

It's about time the roster of villians expand...there is only so much you can do with the same old same old.

I just hope they are memorable, so far, the children are quite interesting.

[ProfeZZor X]

I think it would be an interesting notion ot have someone new to defy the essence of the X-Men. However, that whole "world domination", and "fate of the universe lies in the balance" crap has been way overdone.

I say come up with a neutral threat that is perceived as evil, even though it is not. Kind of like Galactus. He has a purpose for what he does, but there is no evil intention there.

[spark627]

X-MEN #194
Written by MIKE CAREY
Pencils & Cover by CHRIS BACHALO
“PRIMARY INFECTION” Part 1 (of 3)!
Having barely survived their first mission as a team, Rogue’s squad immediately find themselves up against another new mysterious threat! What does the man called Pan want with the X-Men, and what is he willing to do to get it?!
32 PGS./Rated A ...$2.99

pan is the guy is charge of the operation the team broke up in the first issue of this arc (where they found LM and Karima) I like that the stories continue through the arc

[OutcryX]

Well....then its quite possible he is after lady Mastermind and Karima then...since he was in charge of their...detainment

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm all for new villains, but I fear we're running out of abilities/powers to go w/ them. :(

[ProfeZZor X]

I'm all for new villains, but I fear we're running out of abilities/powers to go w/ them. :(

I agree. However, that's why I brought up the theory of having a neutral threat that can be conceived as evil, but really not.... Like a Galactus figure type. Someone/thing all powerful, but only serves one purpose, to get what it needs to survive.

[perdev145]

I agree. However, that's why I brought up the theory of having a neutral threat that can be conceived as evil, but really not.... Like a Galactus figure type. Someone/thing all powerful, but only serves one purpose, to get what it needs to survive.

i thought that's where they were headed with the first fallen thing...
as huge as the phoenix saga is, and this guy is supposed to be her equal/opposite, they could do so much more than they did. i want to see more from him, and a better story

[Specter313]

Edited in the cover for issue 194.

[spark627]

GREAT cover

[JustABill]

Thank god, I was tired of getting seizures from trying to figure out Bachalo's confusing ass covers.

[Colossal Spoons]

Muuuuuch better, but his Iceman is still weird.

[ghost113]

yeah his iceman looks like wood and what with the black underoos shouldn't they be ice too.

[X_fan08]

Hey, maybe the artist has a fetish for undies

[Specter313]

yeah his iceman looks like wood and what with the black underoos shouldn't they be ice too.

That's probably because he used tree bark as his template for Bobby's iced up form.

[ghost113]

I did read that somewhere.

[ProfeZZor X]

Muuuuuch better, but his Iceman is still weird.

He's not so bad looking. That whole "tree bark" look gives him more dimension to his powers.

In an interview with Bachalo, he mentioned that he was inspired by tree bark to create Iceman's #190 cover look.

[Iceman/Psylocke]

He's not so bad looking. That whole "tree bark" look gives him more dimension to his powers.

In an interview with Bachalo, he mentioned that he was inspired by tree bark to create Iceman's #190 cover look.I'm just reading that issue now. The 'treebark' look isn't too bad. I like seeing different takes on how he could look although the original 'chrome dome' is still my favourite.

[ProfeZZor X]

http://popcultureshock.com/2006/40311/40311_2-.jpg
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If you can't see these images, here's the link:

http://popcultureshock.com/index.php?p=40311

[ProfeZZor X]

I'm just reading that issue now. The 'treebark' look isn't too bad. I like seeing different takes on how he could look although the original 'chrome dome' is still my favourite.

Despite Iceman being on the cover, is he even in this issue? Last time we left him, he was in the cryo chamber, rejuvenating his nutrients.... Gimmie some spoilers. :wow:

[Generation Lee]

OK that art is so much better seriously Creed looks a hell of a lot better, more pyscho than pussycat.

[ghost113]

clayton henry's work is good but i don't like his cable or his serafina.

[Charlie No-One]

Neither do I. Chris' art fit the characters better. Is this artist a stand in?

[Prettyboy]

Did he do art for the early part of Generation X and some of the Generation Next???? I haven't bothered to look. It's alright. I'm not in love with it like the old Jim Lee and Kubert, but then again I guess we will never have those days back again. Now I'm depressed.

[Balian]

I'm liking Bachalo's work on this so much right now, especially his covers.

[ProfeZZor X]

I'm liking Bachalo's work on this so much right now, especially his covers.

You do realize that isn't Bachalo's work right?

... It's Clay Henry's. Scroll back a few pages in this thread, and you'll see a picture of his work on Exiles. His work is a little cleaner than Bachalo's, but the true test will be how he does Iceman... Especially with the way Bachalo has already established him as a pointy headed elf with tree bark skin...

[mightiest_mortal]

clayton henry's work is good but i don't like his cable or his serafina.
Henrys work there is looking top notch IMO. His work is normally too cartoony and basic for me, but with a great colourer and spending a lot of time and effort on the issue he is really starting to show a lot of promise.

Ive never been much of a fan of Bachelo because normally its too stylised and difficult to understand. His X-Men run though, hes clearly holding back a lot, so its much clearer and im actually enjoying it.


I love the preview :) its so funny having Creed pretty much showing off about the fact he was killing pensioners LoL.

[Balian]

You do realize that isn't Bachalo's work right?

... It's Clay Henry's. Scroll back a few pages in this thread, and you'll see a picture of his work on Exiles. His work is a little cleaner than Bachalo's, but the true test will be how he does Iceman... Especially with the way Bachalo has already established him as a pointy headed elf with tree bark skin...Yeah, I realise. I was looking at the #194 cover.
I haven't read this series since Gambit left, and I'd like to know, does Carey have Rogue mentioning anything about Gambit?

[Specter313]

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If you can't see these images, here's the link:

http://popcultureshock.com/index.php?p=40311

Yeah, popcultureshock doesn't usually allow hotlinking, I've tried in the past and it never works.

[Specter313]

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X-Men #191 will arrive in stores on Sept. 27 from Marvel Comics. The issue is written by Mike Carey, with art by Roger Brooks and a cover by Chris Bachalo.

Here's how Marvel describes the issue:

"'Supernovas,' part 4 of 6. The X-Men discover the truth behind their mysterious new enemies! It's time to take the fight to this new and dangerous threat...but are their enemies closer than the X-Men think?"

X-Men #191 will be 32 pages and will cost $2.99.

[ghost113]

the story looks realy good though last issue i have is the on ewhere iceman gets blown up.

[Colossal Spoons]

Woooo, Bachalo ain't drawing the next one. :D

[Prettyboy]

Woooo, Bachalo ain't drawing the next one. :D

Do you hear it?? Oh yes, that's the sound of the Hallelujah choirs!!!!

[Colossal Spoons]

Man, that news alone makes up for the lackluster comics I got this week.

[Prettyboy]

Man, that news alone makes up for the lackluster comics I got this week.
Ha lighten up Jigga, none were worse then the last Runaways (out of my readings). Talk about "this should've been a free comic"!

[El Bastardo]

I wasn't minding Bachalo on this title too terribly much, but... Wow. Talk about liking another penciller's work better. :woot:

On another note, artists need to stay on schedule (which is why I assume Bachalo hasn't done this issue). I'm sick of all this switching of pencillers in the middle of runs.

[Generation Lee]

The artist has an Appoc V Dracula feel to it serious Cannonball looks like a blonde version of Chamber's Great Grandfather. But in all seriousness compare the Creed on the Cover to the one inside I definately think Creed is better drawn by the stand in artist.

[ghost113]

it's the same artist as the one on apoc vs dracula.

[Colossal Spoons]

Ha lighten up Jigga, none were worse then the last Runaways (out of my readings). Talk about "this should've been a free comic"!

Heh, I thought it was your typical filler issue.

[cardslinger]

I like Bachalo better. He seems to have more style to his art than the fill in artist.

[El Bastardo]

The artist has an Appoc V Dracula feel to it serious Cannonball looks like a blonde version of Chamber's Great Grandfather. But in all seriousness compare the Creed on the Cover to the one inside I definately think Creed is better drawn by the stand in artist.

Yeah. I hate Bachalo's Sabretooth look. It's awful. Too wiry, too much like his Wolverine, too non-intimidating with a freakin' band-aid on his nose.

[ButJustForYou]

I got X-men #191 today, (yay getting stuff early because of Marvel Subscriptions) and it was great. I can post spoilers if anyone wants me too, but for now I'll just tell you that we find out more about The Children Of The Vault's origins, we don't see Iceman at all, and it was overall very good. I don't care for the fill in artist, but the wasn't that bad. Over all :up:

[ProfeZZor X]

I got X-men #191 today, (yay getting stuff early because of Marvel Subscriptions) and it was great. I can post spoilers if anyone wants me too, but for now I'll just tell you that we find out more about The Children Of The Vault's origins, we don't see Iceman at all, and it was overall very good. I don't care for the fill in artist, but the wasn't that bad. Over all :up:

Surprisingly enough, I'm actually on the fence about picking up this one. Only because they don't show what's going on with Iceman. After all, he suffered the most out of everyone on that team, and not to have some sort of reference about him after nearly dying is disappointing. I had a chance to scan through it at my local comic shop, so I didn't get a chance to read a lot of it (or even if there are Iceman references). Although it's finally a relief to know what the children are...

technically advanced humans
Still, I wasn't happy with that explanation.

[Rogue's Hand]

I got X-men #191 today, (yay getting stuff early because of Marvel Subscriptions) and it was great. I can post spoilers if anyone wants me too, but for now I'll just tell you that we find out more about The Children Of The Vault's origins, we don't see Iceman at all, and it was overall very good. I don't care for the fill in artist, but the wasn't that bad. Over all :up:
I got mine yesterday and as a Rogue fan I can honestly say that I am extremely excited at what's going to happen on that boat!!!
OMG!!!! My Rogue is back! And by the way, The Children ROCK!
This is gonna be good!!!!!!!!!

[SMroxs]

Yeah. I hate Bachalo's Sabretooth look. It's awful. Too wiry, too much like his Wolverine, too non-intimidating with a freakin' band-aid on his nose.

I like Bachalo's art (probably in the minority there) but I agree with you on Sabretooth. He has Creed weighed down with too much stuff. He's got this poncho thing going on and all these straps and crud hanging off him. Sabretooth is a fighting machine and he needs an uncomplicated look. And the bandaid on the nose does look pretty stupid. What? Did he get a nose job?

[ghost113]

i'm a bachalo fan too so don't feel lonely

[Balian]

I'm also a fan, and I really dig his covers.

[ghost113]

yeah. I like his old work more thoguh.

[Specter313]

I very much enjoyed the explaination about how the Children came about. It's something new and makes sense for what they said they were earlier. I wonder if we'll get to look at the other four that we haven't seen before as well.

[usagicassidy]

While I like Bachalo, I really liked the art in this issue, although it was very "simple." Good issue, if not a little boring.

[Mike059jig]

Seems like This issue art was alot better than last previos issue...over all great read though

[MindPsyker]

I really, really enjoy Bacchalo's art. I prefer it to this last issue: in fact Bacchalo, Coipel, and Cassaday are my favourite. Anything those three boys touch turns to gold in my opinion. And the reason why Sabertooth has that band-aid on his nose is because he isn't healing remember? The children subdued his healing factor. This artist was okay but it seemed a little bland to me. It mihgt have been due to the fact that this issue was kinda in the lines of filler(I like back story on villains but it seemed forced to me). I can't what for Rogue to turn back to the way she was(stupid fire powers-urgh) and the development between Ice-Man and Mystique as well.

[Generation Lee]

Seriously liking the story more and more but I wonder how the Children knew certain details.

Also when the whole m day thing was mentioned was this what Sabertooth was doing before the HOM hit and when M-Day happened he was put back there?

[Specter313]

RAMOS JOINS THE X-TEAM
by Benjamin Ong Pang Kean

Joe Madureira's done it.

So did J. Scott Campbell [on a Wizard cover].

And Chris Bachalo, Carlos Pacheco, and Leinil Francis Yu, too.

It looks like most of the artists formerly part of Cliffhanger had drawn the X-Men at one point or another in their respective careers.

While Humberto Ramos's been on the Civil War bandwagon recently with his work on Wolverine (http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Wolverine/Ramos/Ramos_Wolverine.htm), he hasn't drawn the X-Men before.

But things are about to get X-citing for him in the coming months as he's been tapped to fill-in for regular artist Chris Bachalo on Mike Carey's X-Men.

"We needed someone to step into the breach so that Chris can take us all the way up to #200 and beyond without another break," Carey told Newsarama. "Amazingly, Humberto turned out to be free. We lurked outside his favorite bar, slipped a sack over his head as he came out and drove him to an undisclosed location where we'd laid on a drawing board and some pencils - hoping that he would take this as a sign of how serious we were about wanting him to draw this arc."

Ramos will be drawing Carey's second arc, the three-issue "Primary Infection", kicking off with X-Men #194 in December. "I am a Marvel slave, but in the nice way," Ramos said. "What I mean is, I love the characters and I, [like] pretty much the rest of the working pencillers today, want to have a shot [at the] X-Men at some point . [Having to] fill-in for Chris is an honor. I admire and respect him."

As for finally drawing the X-Men, Ramos said, "When you are a kid and you grow up reading Marvel comics, you can't get it better than drawing Wolverine [I]and X-Men, can you?"

In Carey's first arc, the writer introduced the Children, brought Sabretooth crawling back to the X-Mansion, reunited Rogue with Mystique, and all hell's about to break loose as we move closer to the end of "Supernovas". Describing his run as "totally X-traordinary" so far, Carey said that while he knew that the book would be "really exciting" to write, he was "very nervous as to how my stories would be received" when he got started with the project. "But as of right now, with [four] issues out, the response has been tremendously positive. People have gotten over their initial misgivings about my team line-up and seem to be enjoying what I'm doing with this very strange cast of characters."

In the next few issues, readers can look forward to "the awakening of Lady Mastermind, the resolution of this sick love thing between Sam and Serafina, and a very spectacular fight sequence on board a flying oil tanker. Oh, and a big final reveal which changes the significance of a lot of what we've seen. Rogue's team doesn't come out of this fight the same way they went in.

"'Primary Infection' takes us back to the situation we came in on in #188 - the X-Men's raid on the John Fordyce clinic and the question of why someone is kidnapping and dissecting mutants. The trail will take them from NYC to India - and of course Karima and Lady M, who are the characters most directly affected by what was happening at the Fordyce, are very keen to be in the forefront of the action."

And just who is Pan? Is he a new character? Or an old foe (friend?) making a comeback? "He's new," Carey said. "It turns out that one of the X-Men has met him before, but it wasn't on-panel and it wouldn't have seemed significant at the time. Pan's not his whole name, by the way - just the first syllable of it."

Upcoming plans are for the "Horseman" Gambit to return post-issue #200. But first, just how does he plan to celebrate the 200th issue of the "Adjectiveless" X-Men since Chris Claremont and Jim Lee launched the title back in 1991? "Discussions are in train," he admitted. "We're thinking at the moment of having a normal-length or slightly longer than normal-length story - which will introduce some big changes for the team - along with a gallery and some very cool extra features.

Beyond that, Carey said that "The line up of the "Adjectiveless" team is going to remain fluid for a while, with at least one very major character getting the push in a significant and irrevocable way. Characters like Northstar and Aurora will almost certainly reappear, and may find a place in the team. We want to revisit Husk. We've got plans for Lila Cheney. And yes, Gambit will be revisited too: there's no way Rogue is just going to let that situation lie.

"Basically, you can expect the team to be out in unfamiliar territory, facing old and new foes alike - and you can expect some big revelations about M-Day and some fallout from M-Day that nobody saw coming." In the meantime, Chris Bachalo is expected be back for the remaining issues of "Supernovas" and then Humberto Ramos coming in for a three-issue fill-in with "Primary Infection". Just who does Ramos look forward to drawing the most? "Mystique," he said. "Why? You saw that bunch of movies, right?"

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http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/xmen/Ramos/CareyRamos.html


Ugh, I am not looking forward to this. I hate the art in Wolverine right now and his Mystique looks ridiculous with those giant breasts.

[Balian]

At least I've got Gambit being re-visited to look forward to.

[spark627]

why is cable front and center so much... shouldnt rogue be?

and mystiques breasts are waaayy to big

[squeekness]

Upcoming plans are for the "Horseman" Gambit to return post-issue #200. http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/squeekness/emoticons/bootyshakebyneekziquetu4.gifhttp://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/squeekness/emoticons/happytime.gifhttp://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/squeekness/emoticons/clap.gifhttp://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/squeekness/emoticons/bouncy.gif

[mightiest_mortal]

and mystiques breasts are waaayy to big
Meh.. i guess they can be whatever size she wants.

Im glad theyre using an Artist more akin to Bachelos style for the fill in issues. I may not be that much of a fan of his, but its good to have consistant artwork throughtout a series.


(also.... damn i want some boots like Cable has there so I can stomp on people YAY)

[spark627]

i like the artists style a lot, just question mystiques... ample-ness. i really want a rogue to be the focus of more covers though

[Specter313]

Meh.. i guess they can be whatever size she wants.

Im glad theyre using an Artist more akin to Bachelos style for the fill in issues. I may not be that much of a fan of his, but its good to have consistant artwork throughtout a series.


(also.... damn i want some boots like Cable has there so I can stomp on people YAY)

I hate this style even more than Bachalos, and I dislike Bachalo a lot. Bachalo's stuff seems always too blocky and such at times, but this is even worse. It's blocky and completely out of proportion. One's neck, boobs, or forearms should not be bigger than your head.

[ProfeZZor X]

I'm NOT liking Iceman at all in that pic. No pun intended, but he looks two dimensional and flat. And is he growing out of the ice, or standing in it? Everyone else seems to look okay.

And I agree with Specter313 on liking Bachalo's work better than this. Although, the colors are more vibrant and richer on this art.

[ghost113]

that pic is pretty cool i like him better than clayton henry and her breasts are just slightly too big.

[Rogue's Hand]

i like the artists style a lot, just question mystiques... ample-ness. i really want a rogue to be the focus of more covers though
I totally agree, I'm actually very excited to know if she will remain w/ these powers or gain more:huh:

[Xplicit Content]

I'm good with Ramos. I like that there's continuity between his art and Bachalo's. I like what I read about them "revisiting" Husk too. I wonder if that means she'll be added to the lineup or just used for an arc. Looks like good things to come.

[mightiest_mortal]

I'm good with Ramos. I like that there's continuity between his art and Bachalo's. I like what I read about them "revisiting" Husk too. I wonder if that means she'll be added to the lineup or just used for an arc. Looks like good things to come.

She'l probably be killed off panel in a few issues time lol

[OutcryX]

She'l probably be killed off panel in a few issues time lol


Yeah..it seems Husk and M were pretty lucky avoiding the Generation X curse so far...looks like that may be corrected pretty soon tho.

[ghost113]

Chamber is just having a weird year, jubilee too bad for her.

[Specter313]

Chamber is just having a weird year, jubilee too bad for her.

*ahem*



Q - GSHAG: This past New Joe Fridays you answered this question pertaining to Jubilee
“JQ: Keep your eyes and ears open because Jubilee and some friends will be popping up somewhere in the near future. You'll never guess it or expect it, but it will blow you away and bring a smile to your face. This is one of my favorite upcoming projects!”
Now that jogged my memory a little. I remembered reading somewhere (most likely in a New Joe Fridays), in context that you were answering a question that had to do with teenaged sidekicks, that you loved a pitch that had to do with teen heroes and redefining their role in the Marvel U. Does this answer above have anything to do with that, and when will we hear more about this teen hero project?

JQ: Hey, GSHAG, I’m a big fan of Jubilee so let me just say that we have big plans for her that will make her a lead player in the Marvel U. The question is how does she get her powers back?

[ghost113]

Sweet!!!

[OutcryX]

Jubilee is coming back!!!!!! YES!! now bring back ALL of Generation X!!

[Grizzly Mac&Cheese]

Man, this sux. Jubilee getting depowered was one of the bes things to happen in HoM, IMO.

[Generation Lee]

Well as much as I could see the whole de-powering of mutants in terms of character development but seriously all these re-powered superheros is getting rediculous. cable, Polaris Quicksliver before we know it we'll hear no more super powered humans.

[ProfeZZor X]

Pages from #192 (on sale 10/25/06)... I'd really be pissed if Iceman wasn't in this one either.

Written by MIKE CAREY
Pencils and Cover by CHRIS BACHALO
“SUPERNOVAS”
Eat your heart out, Red Baron! The X-Men take to the skies to in a dogfight against their newest foes, the Children! It’s non-stop action and suspense in this penultimate issue to Mike Carey’s first arc on X-Men. Plus, discover the secret the Children are still hiding that will turn the X-Men’s world upside down! Part 5 (of 6)!

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[Specter313]

Bachalo's Beast looks terrible. He almost looks like a mouse in those first couple panels.

[ghost113]

or a dog. I was thinking that bachalo should do new x-men like he did gen x so many years ago.

[ProfeZZor X]

I wonder why Rogue is being so rough with Sabertooth. After all, he did give them vital information about the Children. And... he came to the mansion on his own accord. Emma said it herself... they have no reason to detain him, other than to fulfill personal vendettas.

[ProfeZZor X]

or a dog. I was thinking that bachalo should do new x-men like he did gen x so many years ago.

I wish Bachalo would go back to his version of Ultimate Iceman. He looks very similar, but more agressive and tougher.

[Colossal Spoons]

Bachalo's Beast looks terrible. He almost looks like a mouse in those first couple panels.

Bchalo's everything looks horrible. :cmad:

[ProfeZZor X]

Bchalo's everything looks horrible. :cmad:

Don't be too hard on Bachalo... He's not all that bad. Far better than what Salvador's ever done.

[Specter313]

Don't be too hard on Bachalo... He's not all that bad. Far better than what Salvador's ever done.

That's definitely debatable. At least everything Larocca did was in proportion.

[ghost113]

true i liked larraco's work

[spark627]

i like bachalos art... but i dont love it, i like that he has his own style, just wish his work wasn't cluttered at times... and sometimes it looks blurry. but i prefer him to larocca, he rocked in x-treme but SUCKED after that

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

i liked larraco on x-men

[ProfeZZor X]

i liked larraco on x-men

Larroca's art was an eyesore. Most of his bodily proportions were distorted, and he tried too hard with facial expressions... And what's with the upskirt crotch shots he does with the women characters?

[Colossal Spoons]

Larroca started to draw like Picasso towards the end of his run but his work on Uncanny(She Lies w/ Angels, etc) was beautiful. The best work I've seen Bachalo do was Gen X and something drastic happened since then. :(

[Rogue's Hand]

I wonder why Rogue is being so rough with Sabertooth. After all, he did give them vital information about the Children. And... he came to the mansion on his own accord. Emma said it herself... they have no reason to detain him, other than to fulfill personal vendettas.
He grabbed her by her neck, serves him right:woot:

[ProfeZZor X]

He grabbed her by her neck, serves him right:woot:

Only because the X-Men provoked him first. Looking at the way Beast is laying on the ground next to Rogue, it looks like they were trying to force something on him, or give him that shot for some reason. Hell, I'd be pissed off too.... Considering they wouldn't treat any other mutant looking for sanctuary there. Yeah it's Sabertooth, but the chains and restraints are inhumane.... Even for him.

[Rogue's Hand]

Only because the X-Men provoked him first. Looking at the way Beast is laying on the ground next to Rogue, it looks like they were trying to force something on him, or give him that shot for some reason. Hell, I'd be pissed off too.... Considering they wouldn't treat any other mutant looking for sanctuary there. Yeah it's Sabertooth, but the chains and restraints are inhumane.... Even for him.
I wouldn't give Sabretooth that much credit, he obviously is keeping something from the X-Men. There is something going on that we don't know about yet.

[ProfeZZor X]

I wouldn't give Sabretooth that much credit, he obviously is keeping something from the X-Men. There is something going on that we don't know about yet.

He just gave the X-Men all the information they need to know on the Children (in the latest issue)... What more could he be hiding from them? Remember, the X-Men tried to force the information out of him in the beginning when they interogated him. And with Cable strong-arming Sabertooth with intimidation of his psi-powers, he had no choice but to tell them everything... Now who's in the wrong?

[Generation Lee]

Come on its Sabertooth there is more to the picture than meets the eye.

[Rogue's Hand]

Come on its Sabertooth there is more to the picture than meets the eye.
Exactly:hyper:

[BarcodeOnTheBac]

I just took a look at my most recent issue of Exiles, 84, I believe.
(the one where they go to an alternate reality where the Soviet Union
still exists, and the Cold War never ceased.

This one has a complete, doubled cover. I did a double take when I
opened it, only to see the cover again. I looked at the back cover,
and same thing. The ads and everything on the inside are also doubled.
I don't mean that the image shows some sort of shadow, or afterimage.
I mean that there is a cover within a cover.



It looks like they just somehow got two of the covers on there before
it was stapled together, or something like that. In all the years I've
been reading comics, I've never seen this before.

I was wondering if this might be something a lot of folks
encountered, but searches online didn't turn anything up, so I guess
not.



When coins are minted wrong, with errors, double struck and such, it
can make them worth 50 times what a normal one is worth. I am not sure
if this is also the case with comics.


Anyone care to comment? I am trying to decide if it would be worth
sending it off to be graded, sealed and slabbed, or whatever they do in
the comics industry like that. I just don't have the expertise here to
make an informed decision.


Normally I just view comics as great reading material, but this time
I figured that I ought to get some advice before making a decision on
what to do. Thanks in advance for your feedback!

[Specter313]

http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NJF17art/X-MenAnnualcover.jpg


X-MEN ANNUAL #1
Written by MIKE CAREY
Pencils and Cover by MARK BROOKS
Rogue and her team have unfinished business on board the S.H.I.E.L.D. Helicarrier - business that concerns the twins, Northstar and Aurora, and a last-ditch attempt to restore them to their right minds. But a powerful enemy from the X-Men's past has a different agenda - and his plans to hijack the Helicarrier for his own uses lead to a terrible revelation.
48 PGS./Rated T+ …$3.99

[ProfeZZor X]

http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NJF17art/X-MenAnnualcover.jpg



Why does this cover remind me of #190, which is the same way Mystique held Iceman.

[spark627]

the art looks amazing, cant wait for this

[OutcryX]

Wow...the cover art with Rogue seems to be taking a cue from the Gen 13 comic that had Caitlin Fairchild in ripped and torn clothing on every issue with her boobage almost popping out....nice!

[ghost113]

was it done by mark brooks?

[Balian]

Just doing some shameless advertising here but the The Hereos Vs. Villains Marvel RPG needs some more X-Men.
The RPG is popular and has plenty of members, but recently a couple of the X-Men players have dropped, currently I think there's only Wolverine, Cyclops, Jean Grey, Nightcrawler, Iceman and Gambit.
So, there's plenty of X characters available and I'm just wondering if any of you dedicated guys are interested in joining, if you are, the thread itself and the sign up thread are located in 'Comic Books' and then 'Marvel Comics.'

[Specter313]

Soft-spoken, unassuming and filled to the brim with maniacally fascinating ideas, X-Men writer Mike Carey’s ready to reinvent the adjectiveless X-title. After making a huge splash at a recent Marvel editorial retreat with top-secret ideas that made guys like Brian Michael Bendis and Ed Brubaker sit back in awe, Carey sat down with Wizard to spill his guts on everything X-Men.

ON CREATING NEW VILLAINS: I wanted to create a new set of villains for the X-universe who’d be natural antagonists both to humans and to mutants—and I wanted what was at stake to be, as it often is in the X-books, species survival. I also wanted to give these villains superpowers, but to have them work in a slightly different way [from] the way we normally see them. The [Children of the Vault’s] powers aren’t either inherited or accidental—they are transferable, though. There’s a lot more to the Children than we see at first, and every time you answer one question about them, you raise another.

ON ‘HOUSE OF M’ AND M-DAY: Mutants are meant to be an oppressed minority. I do miss some of the mutants who were taken out of the picture with M-Day, but I still think House of M was an inspired idea because, like all the best crossovers, it has ripples and echoes that continue to be felt.

ON THE ONE MUTANT HE MISSES MOST:
The Blob! I miss him!

ON HIS FAVORITE X-MAN: My favorite X-Man is Cyclops because he’s solid, sober-sided, strait-laced and duty-bound, but he’s still this great combat leader. Even people like Wolverine, who despise his approach to things, have to respect him. Also, he gets to go to bed with Emma, so there’s maybe a wish-fulfillment thing going on here too.

ON HIS FAVORITE X-VILLAIN: Magneto, because he’s the only villain who’s the X-Men’s equal in every respect—the one who can beat them in arguments as well as in battle; the one with as much moral authority as Professor X. I’d love to write Magneto. As a matter of fact, I almost certainly will, in some way, have Magneto popping in.

ON SABRETOOTH: He’s Wolverine without a conscience. He’s a true psychopath. Having him on a hero team is a fascinating proposition, and I’m enjoying the whole process of playing that out.

ON MYSTIQUE [at right]: Mystique is fun because she’s the manipulator and double-crosser par excellence. Also, she’s a mature woman in a comics universe whose population is skewed towards the young and callow: a femme fatale. Gotta love that.

ON CANNONBALL: Cannonball is a great character, someone whose whole progress—from raw recruit to battle-scarred veteran—we’ve [gotten] to see. I like his transparent decency, his plain speaking and his balls-out courage.

ON ‘DAYS OF FUTURE PAST’: “Days of Future Past” was shocking and mesmerizing because it suddenly, dramatically showed you what was at stake. It said, “Here’s what happens tomorrow if the X-Men lose today.” The scene that stays with me is the one in which Logan launches himself against a Sentinel and is hit in mid-air. In a later panel, you see the adamantium skeleton lying on the ground: That’s all that’s left—still invulnerable but suddenly, scarily irrelevant. Moments like that are built to last.

ON CLASSIC X-MEN STORIES: I don’t make an automatic distinction between Claremont/Cockrum and Claremont/Byrne. It was all part of the same era for me. The action is amazing, and the pacing too—perfect build-up, perfect pay-off. But the character beats are [also] in there: The emotions are believable and the characters are changed by what happens to them. That was spectacular stuff.

ON THE FUTURE OF ‘X-MEN’: Rogue’s team [is] brought face-to-face with (in my opinion, anyway) one of the most terrifying X-Men villains ever created; someone whose return the X-Men thought was more or less impossible—and it probably would have been if there hadn’t been outside interference from an unimaginable source.

ON ‘MUTANT MASSACRE’: I think “Mutant Massacre” did almost everything wrong. The build-up was fine, but then they got to the Morlock tunnels, had their battle and things just stopped. There was issue after issue of different teams going down into the Morlock tunnels, meeting each other, meeting survivors, meeting the odd Marauder. There was nothing organic about the storytelling. It was just an excuse for everyone to meet up, usually in inconsequential and confusing ways.

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/001988564.cfm (http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/001988564.cfm)

[DarknessOfDeath]

uh guys...wasn;t sure if this was the right thread ...but I got The End: X-Men - heros and martyrs (Book 2) and Book 3 : Men and X-Men

I did n't buy Book 1, worried about having enough money left over...I spent 50 bucks altogether. LOL So far, Im on book 2...half way there...in #3 ... WOW... holy smokes.

[Specter313]

http://images.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Jan07/covers/XMEN195cvrcol.jpg


X-MEN #195
Written by MIKE CAREY
Pencils and Cover by HUMBERTO RAMOS
"PRIMARY INFECTION"
While the X-Men follow her trail to India, Rogue is at the mercy of the man known as Pandemic! What is his fascinating connection with Rogue? What has he done to Lady Mastermind? Why is he called Pandemic? All good questions. Read the issue and find out! Part 2 (of 3)!
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

[JustABill]

God, Rogue has messed up breasts in that pic, but then again, look at the cover artist. :o

[ProfeZZor X]

http://images.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Jan07/covers/XMEN195cvrcol.jpg





I'm going to take a wild guess and say that "Pandemic" is an acronym for "Epidemic".... I wonder what he has in store for Rogue. Especially with a cod piece like that.

[ProfeZZor X]

God, Rogue has messed up breasts in that pic, but then again, look at the cover artist. :o

Was that her breast?... I thought it was her shoulder. Then again, look at how her waist is facing forward, but her upper torso is twisted back and to the side......

Oh my God, I just had a revalation.... It's Larocca's twin brother!!!......ARG.

[cerealkiller182]

I'm going to take a wild guess and say that "Pandemic" is an acronym for "Epidemic".... I wonder what he has in store for Rogue. Especially with a cod piece like that.

Actually, pandemic is an epidemic on a global scale.

[ProfeZZor X]

Actually, pandemic is an epidemic on a global scale.

Parts of his costume reminds me of Horseman Polaris, the Leper Queen, and Doom.

By the way, whatever happened to the Leper Queen, after Doop carried her away with Polaris?

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm not exactly jumping for joy at the description of that arc. we'll see :o

[ProfeZZor X]

I'm not exactly jumping for joy at the description of that arc. we'll see :o

Rogue.... I am your FATHER!!!

[Colossal Spoons]

Rogue's family tree is getting almost as annoying as the Summers'

[spark627]

SO glad we have an arc focusing on Rogue!

yay

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

art is crap, and i like almost anything. is that the guy who draws in wolverine?

[AndThePickles]

Eh, can't say the description so far has me interested in this next issue.

[Prettyboy]

It does favor Larocca's art. I like it though.

[spark627]

I'm happy about this arc bc we have a Rogue story that doesn't revolve around Gambit

[Prettyboy]

Are all the covers gonna have Rogue looking like a damsel in distress?

[spark627]

only one other cover has centered around Rogue and she is def not a damsel on that one.

edit: your mentioning the x-men annual, sorry i forgot about that one

[ghost113]

I don't know about the art, but i believe in carey's writing so I'm not going to not get it.

[ProfeZZor X]

It just pisses me off to know that Marvel still recruits these horrible artists to do the "bread and butter" of their company. How the hell can anyone say that cover is better than the #190 cover (Iceman & Mystique)? ... No one I hope.

[ghost113]

it's not better than 190, who said that?

[Generation Lee]

http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NJF17art/X-MenAnnualcover.jpg


X-MEN ANNUAL #1
Written by MIKE CAREY
Pencils and Cover by MARK BROOKS
Rogue and her team have unfinished business on board the S.H.I.E.L.D. Helicarrier - business that concerns the twins, Northstar and Aurora, and a last-ditch attempt to restore them to their right minds. But a powerful enemy from the X-Men's past has a different agenda - and his plans to hijack the Helicarrier for his own uses lead to a terrible revelation.
48 PGS./Rated T+ …$3.99


Why the hel can't artists draw more than one face seriously look at all four characters they all have the same face.

[squeekness]

Well, Aurora and Northstar are twins. :p :D

[Rogue's Hand]

I better some improvement in Rogue soon.
These covers with her looking like she needs an ambulance is getting rediculous:huh:

[ProfeZZor X]

Pages of X-Men #192, coming out next week

http://www.popcultureshock.com/2006/40482/40482_2.jpg
http://www.popcultureshock.com/2006/40482/40482_3.jpg
http://www.popcultureshock.com/2006/40482/40482_4.jpg
http://www.popcultureshock.com/2006/40482/40482_5.jpg

[Specter313]

Don't link to PopCultureShock pics, they don't work.

[ProfeZZor X]

Don't link to PopCultureShock pics, they don't work.

Strange... They worked when I posted them earlier. Now they're all red x's. Go figure.

Sorry. here's the true link everyone:

http://www.popcultureshock.com/index.php?p=40482

[ProfeZZor X]

I definitely don't see Lady Mastermind staying on the team with one liners like the one she said to Beast on the last page. Besides, she really doesn't fit in to that crowd.

[Balian]

Strange... They worked when I posted them earlier. Now they're all red x's. Go figure.

Sorry. here's the true link everyone:

http://www.popcultureshock.com/index.php?p=40482I can load up the cover, but the five pages don't show.
Anyways, I like the cover, but I'm a Bachalo fiend.

[MaleRogue]

OMG What happends or what happened to Rogue
Please tell me.
Here in holland we don't have comic books

[Colossal Spoons]

^Holland sounds like torture to me then.

[Specter313]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0610/19/xmen192c.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0610/19/xmen1921.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0610/19/xmen1922.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0610/19/xmen1923.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0610/19/xmen1924.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0610/19/xmen1925.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0610/19/xmen1926.jpg

[mightiest_mortal]

Cool preview. The Children of the vault or whatever theyre called are actually starting to grow on me. With their massive flying oil tanker theyre just ridiculous enough to start being interesting.

I hope Emma and Lady Mastermind start hanging out. shes so much like a younger version of Emma. Itl be like Frasier Crane and Niles... only crazy blonde psychic versions lol

[MaleRogue]

^Holland sounds like torture to me then.

All the X-Men comics I saw here I bought....
To bad in this city there were only two :csad:

[usagicassidy]

I like how you see the New Mutants in a few panels. Makes me happy.

[jackmanx2]

EXCUSE ME,I LIVE IN hOLLAND AND U can GET COMIC BOOKS!!! i DON'T KNOW WHERE U LIVE MALE ROGUE BUT HAVE U EVER TRIED GOING TO aMSTERDAM OR uTRECHT TO BUY COMIX???

[@JeanGrey]

http://images.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Jan07/covers/XMEN195cvrcol.jpg


X-MEN #195
Written by MIKE CAREY
Pencils and Cover by HUMBERTO RAMOS
"PRIMARY INFECTION"
While the X-Men follow her trail to India, Rogue is at the mercy of the man known as Pandemic! What is his fascinating connection with Rogue? What has he done to Lady Mastermind? Why is he called Pandemic? All good questions. Read the issue and find out! Part 2 (of 3)!
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

Bad, bad, bad cover. Looks like her half body from waist and down is twisted and distorted, like we see her back side. Not to mention her awfully drawn left arm. I don't like it at all! :down:down:down

[ProfeZZor X]

Carey, my man.... What the hell are you trying to do with Iceman? I can understand that you want to build the character up, but damn... He needs to be in the book, in order for you to do that.

As soon as you brought him back (in #192) you..... Spoiler: Let Fuego evaporate his ass all over again. :End Spoiler

[ghost113]

Damn that sucks for frostie.

[ProfeZZor X]

Damn that sucks for frostie.

Tell me about it...

[ghost113]

what is the newest issue number wise?

[Xplicit Content]

I hope Emma and Lady Mastermind start hanging out. shes so much like a younger version of Emma. Itl be like Frasier Crane and Niles... only crazy blonde psychic versions lol
I was just going to say that LM looks a little too much like Emma there. And seein' as how Carey plans to bring Husk back into the fold soon, I'm all for Bachalo doing something to set these girls apart appearance-wise...would be nice not to have to rely on their uniforms to differentiate...at least change the hair length on 2 of them.

[ProfeZZor X]

what is the newest issue number wise?

Issue #192 will be coming out this Wednesday. The X-Men find out where the children are, and take to the skies. There will be some tears shed, a few broken egos, and casualties... Or so we think. :wow:

[ghost113]

thanks

[Balian]

I know Chris Bachalo's coming back after Ramos' fill-in until 200 at least, any one know anything more specific about his plans?

[X_fan08]

i havent been able to read the xmen currently but only skim. can some one tell me who the children are?

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

i must say, i did NOT like the art in 191. in fact, i missed Bachalo... i know, it's shocking.

[usagicassidy]

I thought it was okay/ordinary. Nothing to write home about.

[chris moore]

Now that Iceman has officially been witnessed in current continuity in a regular title (not a retconnable story, limited series, alternate timeine or universe) turning from mist back to human form, thereby displaying an acknowledgement of his power levels and right to sopme respect - does anyone think there willbe an upcoming focus on the character for a change? The sexuality things needs pinpointing and nailing down for one thing (see the brand new Tieri interview on newsarama where he says you're better turning your gaydar towards Iceman that Cain Mark and Black Tom cos even Family guy figured that out) and I'd prefer they didnt ignore the thirty years of flirty bobby, and Opal Tanaka Bobby - writing all that off as "deliberately being flirty to hide or repress his true sexual nature".

And he really needs an identity - funny man just isnt cutting it anymore, cos today's writers dont seem to be able to get the humour right.

[Nature's Rising]

I do agree. I mean Iceman needs more depth in something. Saying he's Omega without the writers trying to focus on that aspect, I think focusing more on his personal life would be somehow a break for Bobby. Damn, he definitely needs more character development. Logan, Ororo, Scott and even Emma has been graced with their historical background...the least they can do to ONE of the Original FIVE is to try to put him in the limelight...his current character is kinda bland. I kinda envision Speedball in him, which is NOT good.

Hmmm...about being a gay and all, currently not having any problem with it. Diversity in the X-Men is needed to add more drama to the team. Plus, like he has a hope with Rogue anyway...which until now, I still doubt about. But hey, that's just my opinion.

[chris moore]

I agree on the Omega thing totally - its not just limited imagination on the artist's part that has every use of Bobby's powers being blasting ice straight forward from his hands because they think its dramatic. Its shortsightedness on the writer's part for not thinking up more creative ways to use an Omega level power on the battle field. Like turning himself to mist and moving his consciousness through air currents or pipes to another location, and appearing behind an enemy, reconstituting himself in a ice sheet type form around them in an exaggerated "wrapping your arms around a person to stop them using theirs".

On the subject of his "not strictly hinted but fan assumed" potential homosexuality: Diversity is all well and good. But Northstar being gay was supposed to be just what he was - but as always, they made it THE thing about him. I dont see why comics and other mediums feel the need to bring a character out of the closet or have a prominent character being gay. It just makes everything about that character all about being gay, which leaves their personality left in the dust.

Its like, there's this new show on BBC3 (and 1 I think) in the UK which is a spin off from Doctor Who. The creator/writer said about it that every major character was going to have at least one same sex sexual encounter because he feels we need to break down the assumptions about gay male characters only going off with men, or the assumption that a male or female who acts neither one way or the other must be straight so will only go off with the opposite sex - why? Why the deliberate direction one way or the other? Why can't people just be people and become attracted to whomever is attractive to them, thereby giving away their sexuality, whether homo, hetero, or bi? Having a guest star in a show who is obviously gay, who then of course the closet gay is attracted to but doesnt want to admit it, but finally does... thats generating typical characters.

Iceman doesnt need the recogniseable thing about him being that he's gay. That doesnt add depth to the character at all and only serves to give him a pigeon hole for future writers to put him in so he appears prominent without doing anything specifically with him.

Making the Ultimate version of Colossus ambiguous as to his sexuality from the outset, then revealing it by only confirming all the subtleties was genius. Suddenly making Colossus gay in the 616 because he hasnt been a sexual predator and is a gentle soul even around men would be daft. I think homosexuality needs to be an organic reveal with intentions from the outset with more going on emotionally and physically for the character than just that so its not their appearance defining revelation - not a sudden shock for shock value's sake. It doesnt flow right to take Iceman and say "he's not had a lot of luck with women in the past because he's been hiding a part of himself and therefore hasnt been able to make it work, so the revelation that he accepts that he's gay just seemed like a logical move for that character". That's a cop out to justify a shock value change in Bobby Drake.

[spark627]

I really feel the x-men need a gay member, someone who will stay on the team for a long period of time. I would like it to be northstar but I dunno...

Making Bobby gay would feel weird, its too late in the game to do that. I don't mind if maybe he is bisexual or has some confusion but deviating from a character that has been around for over 40 years is weird.

[JustABill]

Where the hell is all this Bobby/Cannonball gay stuff coming from? Neither of the men are gay people. :rolleyes:

[ProfeZZor X]

I agree on the Omega thing totally - its not just limited imagination on the artist's part that has every use of Bobby's powers being blasting ice straight forward from his hands because they think its dramatic. Its shortsightedness on the writer's part for not thinking up more creative ways to use an Omega level power on the battle field. Like turning himself to mist and moving his consciousness through air currents or pipes to another location, and appearing behind an enemy, reconstituting himself in a ice sheet type form around them in an exaggerated "wrapping your arms around a person to stop them using theirs".

On the subject of his "not strictly hinted but fan assumed" potential homosexuality: Diversity is all well and good. But Northstar being gay was supposed to be just what he was - but as always, they made it THE thing about him. I dont see why comics and other mediums feel the need to bring a character out of the closet or have a prominent character being gay. It just makes everything about that character all about being gay, which leaves their personality left in the dust.

Its like, there's this new show on BBC3 (and 1 I think) in the UK which is a spin off from Doctor Who. The creator/writer said about it that every major character was going to have at least one same sex sexual encounter because he feels we need to break down the assumptions about gay male characters only going off with men, or the assumption that a male or female who acts neither one way or the other must be straight so will only go off with the opposite sex - why? Why the deliberate direction one way or the other? Why can't people just be people and become attracted to whomever is attractive to them, thereby giving away their sexuality, whether homo, hetero, or bi? Having a guest star in a show who is obviously gay, who then of course the closet gay is attracted to but doesnt want to admit it, but finally does... thats generating typical characters.

Iceman doesnt need the recogniseable thing about him being that he's gay. That doesnt add depth to the character at all and only serves to give him a pigeon hole for future writers to put him in so he appears prominent without doing anything specifically with him.

Making the Ultimate version of Colossus ambiguous as to his sexuality from the outset, then revealing it by only confirming all the subtleties was genius. Suddenly making Colossus gay in the 616 because he hasnt been a sexual predator and is a gentle soul even around men would be daft. I think homosexuality needs to be an organic reveal with intentions from the outset with more going on emotionally and physically for the character than just that so its not their appearance defining revelation - not a sudden shock for shock value's sake. It doesnt flow right to take Iceman and say "he's not had a lot of luck with women in the past because he's been hiding a part of himself and therefore hasnt been able to make it work, so the revelation that he accepts that he's gay just seemed like a logical move for that character". That's a cop out to justify a shock value change in Bobby Drake.

I really never seemed to grasp the concept of why being “gay” would enhance a characters personality. I mean am I missing something here or what? Do gay people have an extra sensory perception or something normal heterosexual people don’t? And I have no quips or hang ups about the gay community, but I’ve been in forums discussing this very topic, and they all tend to readily assume Iceman is gay, because of his failed relationships, light-hearted personality, and other hints that us heterosexual people don’t seem to see in him. And I, for one have followed this character for a very long time... But for someone to say he is gay after all these years, really has to have some concrete evidence to prove me otherwise… Which has not been proven so far.

As for his power set, I’m kind of glad Carey is touching on that a little more. And it seems that a lot of people are hung up on him converting into a mist form, and using that in hostel combat situations. But what really needs to happen, is for him to master some form of water-based abilities in combat. Something he has never done before. Mikahl Rasputin converted him into water at one time, but that was just to get Iceman out of using his ice covering all the time, and show him a glance of what his true potential was. Let’s not forget about his ability to animate ice sculptures, and use it as a decoy, or for extra backup. Mystique was a witness to Iceman’s abilities in X-Men Forever, so if Carey remembers anything from that book, he’ll bring up some of the points Mystique made to Iceman about being lazy with his powers. And maybe help him realize who he is as a person.

Iceman really does have a lot of potential to be one of Marvel’s greatest characters… He just needs the right writer to help bring that out in him. I’m not saying to transform him into an over-exposed “Wolverine” (although I’d probably like that), at least build up his respect level enough to be a cross over character with some of the other Marvel teams on a regular basis (Avengers, Daredevil, Fantastic Four, Spiderman, New X-Men, Uncanny, Exiles, etc.). After all, he can be just as dangerous as any other gamma radiated, knife wielding, web shooting, character out there.

[Havok83]

Cannonball held Bobby in X-men 189. Bobby was injured and Sam picked him up to bring him to the informary. People have been taking that scene out of context

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

niether of them is gay so some people need to quit it. on the other hand, if the writer wanted that way, he could make it happen.

[mightiest_mortal]

hmm.. new issue is pretty cool. Theres some interesting dialogue between Mystique and Rogue and a great Splash page of the new team together if people want me to scan it?
I really quite like the X-Men title at the moment.

[Balian]

192 was pretty damn good, perhaps Carey's best so far, my favorite anyway. The art was pretty good too, Bachalo and Carey's styles are mixing good together.

Anyone else think Mystique was being honest in her moments?

[ButJustForYou]

192 is pretty damned good. I also loved the team shot. The one thing that bothered me about the issue was that we hadn't seen Iceman for an entire issue, not even part of an arm in the corner of a pannel, nothing. Then he's back for about 3 pages (if that) and he gets re-vaporized! I don't even like Iceman that much, but damn, Bobby deserves better than that!

Also, did anyone catch Lady Mastermind taking off her shirt in the background of a pannel with Beast communicating with Emma? Side-Boob lol.

[spark627]

this was def a good issue, great setup for a final battle and really defined the team and rogue as leader. i hope the team doesn't stay that huge though

[Mogwai]

this was def a good issue, great setup for a final battle and really defined the team and rogue as leader. i hope the team doesn't stay that huge though
I agree, I like it better when the teams are around 5 or 6 members.

[spark627]

I think the final team will be:

Rogue
Iceman
Cannonball
Cable
Mystique
-with Karima acting as the teams Cerebra

I think Sabertooth will be gone after this arc and eventually Lady Mastermind will betray them or something


Was anyone intrigued by when Cable told Mystique that in his timeline she was known as a traitor... I wonder if this is a set-up for an upcoming story.

[ProfeZZor X]

Why the hell can't Bobby stay in one piece for more than three issues?

This has got to have an emotional effect on him, like it did in AoA.... Constantly being evaporated and reconstituting himself over and over again... Making him psychologically unstable... I'm all for that, if Carey is up for the challenge.

Talk about adding a new layer to the character... Forget about the "sexual issues" he has... Make him just as dangerously crazy as Aurora is...That should just about do it for me.

[Havok83]

I think the final team will be:

Rogue
Iceman
Cannonball
Cable
Mystique
-with Karima acting as the teams Cerebra

I think Sabertooth will be gone after this arc and eventually Lady Mastermind will betray them or something


Was anyone intrigued by when Cable told Mystique that in his timeline she was known as a traitor... I wonder if this is a set-up for an upcoming story.
except for the fact that Sabretooth is on the cover for teh next arc with the team. I want him gone. Im also not to keen on Lady Mastermind and Karima sticking around. I hope they leave.

Overall great issue. I loved how Rogue has stepped up as a formidable leader. Carey writes the best Rogue, Ive ever read

[spark627]

oh i didn't realize sabertooth is featured on the covers of the next arc.. can someone post those covers?

and i agree, this is the best rogue in years

[Balian]

"Well I chose 'em. Live with it." Loved that Rogue line, she's definitely back.

The title is shaping up very nicely, now all I want is Gambit to be fixed... I hope on his post 200 guest appearance he's sorted out and ends up leaving the issue being normal again... I'm not sure if I see him having a future in Carey's X-Men though, which is worrying

[spark627]

does anyone have a scan of the great full page drawing of the team boarding the jet?

[Balian]

does anyone have a scan of the great full page drawing of the team boarding the jet?http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n140/junkeeb/Rogue/rogue_squad_1.jpg

[Havok83]

oh i didn't realize sabertooth is featured on the covers of the next arc.. can someone post those covers?

and i agree, this is the best rogue in years
he's on the right. BTW this is for X-men 197

http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/previews/marvel/1206/XMEN197_col.jpg

[spark627]

thanks so much for that scan, i love it!

[Balian]

he's on the right. BTW this is for X-men 197

http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/previews/marvel/1206/XMEN197_col.jpgIt isn't showing.

[Havok83]

It isn't showing.
copy and paste this in your browser

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[Balian]

copy and paste this in your browser

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[Specter313]

oh i didn't realize sabertooth is featured on the covers of the next arc.. can someone post those covers?

and i agree, this is the best rogue in years

Just go back a some pages in this thread. All covers and solicts and such are somewhere in here.

[Havok83]

this should work

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/6026/xmen197colao2.jpg

[Balian]

Oh yeah, I remember that cover.

[chris moore]

When standing about, Rogue seems always to br drawn like she's shirking away.

Liked the issue (kind of). But that guy taking out iceman cos he uses energy around him to fuel his fires is stupid - iceman uses the moisture in the air, so he has the same bloody advantage. Also - hope he doesnt get melted every damn battle - as cool as regenerating from mist is, lets not have it be as commonplace as blasting ice from his hands or him appearing to be a wuss cos he gets melted every five mins.

[ProfeZZor X]

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n140/junkeeb/Rogue/rogue_squad_1.jpg

Notice how Bobby is the only one checking out Mystique's butt.... :wow:

[ProfeZZor X]

this should work

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/6026/xmen197colao2.jpg

I'm glad Bachalo stuck with Iceman's "tree bark" texturing. It gives him more dimension on paper.

[Balian]

Notice how Bobby is the only one checking out Mystique's butt.... :wow:He's the only behind her... well, accept for Karima, and I'm not sure on her sexual orientation.

[ghost113]

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n140/junkeeb/Rogue/rogue_squad_1.jpg

this page is awesome wish had some more money to pick up the issues I'm missing.

[mightiest_mortal]

I can understand why Cyclops is a little annoyed at her choice of a team as when he asked her to choose her team of X-Men, youd have thought it was a safe bet to assume that she was going to choose X-Men.

Effectively its the same as a football coach letting the captain choose the team for a game, and then the captain just brings along a load of criminals he found on the street for his team.

im quite liking Bachelos work on this book.. my main problem is that for some reason it looks a lot clearer and better in digital format than it does in the actual comic. (but then my powerbook does make everything pretty.. and i guess thats how most comics will probbly be presented in the future anyway.)

[Balian]

I think one of the main reasons people who don't usually like Bachalo's work but do now is because since he's started his work on this he's been on a tight schedule, with the 6 inkers, etc. and I think it means he hasn't had the time to be as fancy as usual, although he still has his 'Bachalo' style intact... however, since he's been on board, I've noticed a couple of panels that I've just wondered... wtf? not being able to understand what's being show, but that's Bachalo for you.

[mightiest_mortal]

I've noticed a couple of panels that I've just wondered... wtf? not being able to understand what's being show,
..particularly with any Cannonball action im finding.

[Balian]

..particularly with any Cannonball action im finding.Yeah... but I'm fine with it 'cos it's Bachalo and that's just him and how he works, I'd always choose a stylized artist who you can clearly make out their work over an artist who is 'simple' but effective, because there are too many artists around who's work looks similar using that approach, having a lack of personal touches.

[La The Darkman]

Yeah... but I'm fine with it 'cos it's Bachalo and that's just him and how he works, I'd always choose a stylized artist who you can clearly make out their work over an artist who is 'simple' but effective, because there are too many artists around who's work looks similar using that approach, having a lack of personal touches.

I still can't get with this guys art, I read this book in spite of it, but at times (like the afromentioned cannonball scenes) I really considering dropping the book soley because of the art. I'll enjoy this book much more whenever he's off of it.

[Generation Lee]

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n140/junkeeb/Rogue/rogue_squad_1.jpg


OK can someone answer me this. We see Iceman here in full uniform why the hell is he drawn iced up wearing black underpants. Seriously the man has that much time to strip?!

Why can he just be iced up like before or at lest wearing a jacket over leather trousers like he had before and during CW X-Men? :xmen:

[Colossal Spoons]

Liked the issue (kind of). But that guy taking out iceman cos he uses energy around him to fuel his fires is stupid - iceman uses the moisture in the air, so he has the same bloody advantage. Also - hope he doesnt get melted every damn battle - as cool as regenerating from mist is, lets not have it be as commonplace as blasting ice from his hands or him appearing to be a wuss cos he gets melted every five mins.

I agree 100%. They're making The Children look awesome at the X-Men's expense. Look at Cable. Rogue yells "Engage" and he strts shooting...wtf? He should be using his pseudo-tp and tk to fight. Ugh.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

So I read 192 a little bit ago and I really liked it. Bachalo is growing on me, so he'll be missd when he's gone. Top three favorite characters of the book--Rogue, Mystique, and Cannonball. The writing is also kool.