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Specter313

10-27-2006, 06:30 PM

So I read 192 a little bit ago and I really liked it. Bachalo is growing on me, so he'll be missd when he's gone. Top three favorite characters of the book--Rogue, Mystique, and Cannonball. The writing is also kool.

:huh: No one ever said he's going anywhere. (not that I wish he wouldn't)

Kevin D. Comicboy

10-27-2006, 07:14 PM

i thought he was being replaced with the guy who did the wolverine civil war tie-in...? i guess i was wrong.

Specter313

10-27-2006, 07:20 PM

i thought he was being replaced with the guy who did the wolverine civil war tie-in...? i guess i was wrong.

No, he's only coming on for a three issue arc and that's it.

mightiest_mortal

10-27-2006, 08:01 PM

I agree 100%. They're making The Children look awesome at the X-Men's expense.

Its a staple story of comic book telling. good guys meet bad guys.. Bad guys are beating good guys.. good guys suddenly decide to fight back (or if written by Claremont, Sage decides to use her powers in another conveniently plot handy way) Good Guys win.

it happens all the time. Look at the last Arc of Ultimates, its just the same.. Ultimates are being Caned.. Ultimates suddenly decide to fight back. Ultimates Win.

....At least theyve not killed some C-List character yet, to seem like a bigger threat. (another common comic trick)

Kevin D. Comicboy

10-27-2006, 08:14 PM

No, he's only coming on for a three issue arc and that's it.oh, I get it. Don't mind me, I'm slow sometimes.

danielisthor

10-27-2006, 08:23 PM

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n140/junkeeb/Rogue/rogue_squad_1.jpg

I'm enjoying it alot. Just some random thoughts though.

1. Why is Cable sporting Capt. America's shield emblem on his shoulder? How does he even have time to be on this team, running two countries and getting his butt kicked over in C & D.

2. Sam is being more bad ass under Carey and i like it. Sam's always been one of my favorite characters and its good to see some developement. All those years of being a wet behind the ear X-Men rookie was all bullcrap, considering his leadership of both the New Mutants and X-Force.

3. Bobby is getting his ass handed to him way too much and i hope something does come around with him and Raven. And i hope Sam hooks up with Lady Mastermind.

4. Considering Karima and Lady Mastermind just came out of the infirmary, hell LM just came out of a freaking coma, how the hell are they even able to go on a mission? Hell LM, in a physical sense (being in a coma for a year) probably shouldn't be able to walk.

La The Darkman

10-27-2006, 08:29 PM

Its a staple story of comic book telling. good guys meet bad guys.. Bad guys are beating good guys.. good guys suddenly decide to fight back (or if written by Claremont, Sage decides to use her powers in another conveniently plot handy way) Good Guys win.

it happens all the time. Look at the last Arc of Ultimates, its just the same.. Ultimates are being Caned.. Ultimates suddenly decide to fight back. Ultimates Win.

....At least theyve not killed some C-List character yet, to seem like a bigger threat. (another common comic trick)

I don't think this would be as much of a problem if the team in this X book hadn't been getting their asses handed to them for the past year or so. I know Carey has something really cool up his sleave though, unlike the previous writer.

Balian

10-27-2006, 08:44 PM

No, he's only coming on for a three issue arc and that's it.I thought Ramos was only coming on for the one issue... so it's going to be 195-197?

Specter313

10-27-2006, 08:52 PM

I thought Ramos was only coming on for the one issue... so it's going to be 195-197?

This is why I put up the news articles and such in full:

"We needed someone to step into the breach so that Chris can take us all the way up to #200 and beyond without another break," Carey told Newsarama. "Amazingly, Humberto turned out to be free. We lurked outside his favorite bar, slipped a sack over his head as he came out and drove him to an undisclosed location where we'd laid on a drawing board and some pencils - hoping that he would take this as a sign of how serious we were about wanting him to draw this arc."

Ramos will be drawing Carey's second arc, the three-issue "Primary Infection", kicking off with X-Men #194 in December. "I am a Marvel slave, but in the nice way," Ramos said. "What I mean is, I love the characters and I, [like] pretty much the rest of the working pencillers today, want to have a shot [at the] X-Men at some point [in my career as an artist]. [Having to] fill-in for Chris is an honor. I admire and respect him."

Balian

10-27-2006, 08:59 PM

This is why I put up the news articles and such in full:Thanks.

I myself, can't wait for Bachalo to return.

Kevin D. Comicboy

10-27-2006, 09:06 PM

Thanks.

I myself, can't wait for Bachalo to return.AGREED!:up:

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10-28-2006, 12:49 AM

I'm behind...I actually have to read the latest 2 issues, and it's not from lack of interest...it's become my second favorite X-title, behind Astonishing...who knows, after I get around to reading the latest 2 issues, it might be competing with Astonishing...lovin' the fact this book comes out monthly.

My question is, how do y'all feel about the lineup now that they've just made their official debut as a team? I know I've been a little critical of it, but I haven't really given it a chance. Do y'all think this lineup will work? I'm not familiar with Lady Mastermind or Karima at all.

Balian

10-28-2006, 01:08 AM

I think sooner or later one of 'em is going to betray the X-Men, I'd bet on Lady M, although I'm also kinda suspicious of Cable.

ProfeZZor X

10-28-2006, 02:29 AM

OK can someone answer me this. We see Iceman here in full uniform why the hell is he drawn iced up wearing black underpants. Seriously the man has that much time to strip?!

Why can he just be iced up like before or at lest wearing a jacket over leather trousers like he had before and during CW X-Men? :xmen:

I just know you didn't request Iceman to parade around in leather pants and matching jacket, like he did before.... :cmad:

Generation Lee

10-28-2006, 06:56 AM

I just know you didn't request Iceman to parade around in leather pants and matching jacket, like he did before.... :cmad:

Kind of I mean seriously they put him in a suit and then he's suddenly wearing his very black y fronts!

The guy is can take bullets when iced up am I right? I was just thinking of having him kinda like Wolverine in Morrisons run. You know top half exposed so when he ices up we see that. Now he can shift back and forth again I just thought it would kinda make better sense.

chris moore

10-28-2006, 08:26 AM

Some kinda pants a la Beast or the Thing would be fine. Its important he has Ice showing, but only so much as Colossus does. Think I might come up with a simple pic/manip to illustrate.

Quick q: Why exactly does Bachalo need six inkers? Inking doesnt take as long as penciling, and its the inking that seems to be complicating and messying his work.

Balian

10-28-2006, 11:08 AM

Quick q: Why exactly does Bachalo need six inkers? Inking doesnt take as long as penciling, and its the inking that seems to be complicating and messying his work.I actually don't know, I read it on The X-Axis. I think it probably means that Bachalo didn't have much time to do the issue, and then the six inkers were all needed to get it out in time.

spark627

10-28-2006, 11:28 AM

probably bc there is so much damn detail

Colossal Spoons

10-28-2006, 11:49 AM

I'm enjoying it alot. Just some random thoughts though.

1. Why is Cable sporting Capt. America's shield emblem on his shoulder? How does he even have time to be on this team, running two countries and getting his butt kicked over in C & D.

Wolverine's been doing it for years :rolleyes::cmad:

2. Sam is being more bad ass under Carey and i like it. Sam's always been one of my favorite characters and its good to see some developement. All those years of being a wet behind the ear X-Men rookie was all bullcrap, considering his leadership of both the New Mutants and X-Force.

3. Bobby is getting his ass handed to him way too much and i hope something does come around with him and Raven. And i hope Sam hooks up with Lady Mastermind.

4. Considering Karima and Lady Mastermind just came out of the infirmary, hell LM just came out of a freaking coma, how the hell are they even able to go on a mission? Hell LM, in a physical sense (being in a coma for a year) probably shouldn't be able to walk.

Yeah, LM got the quickest medical clearance I've ever seen

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The Englishman

10-28-2006, 01:08 PM

I just know you didn't request Iceman to parade around in leather pants and matching jacket, like he did before.... :cmad:

Why whats Iceman wearing now, anyone got a good pic??

Balian

10-28-2006, 01:11 PM

Why whats Iceman wearing now, anyone got a good pic??In battle...?

The Englishman

10-28-2006, 01:13 PM

In anything......

Balian

10-28-2006, 01:14 PM

In anything......There's a picture of the team near the top of this page, he's at the back staring at Mystique's ass.

The Englishman

10-28-2006, 01:19 PM

There's a picture of the team near the top of this page, he's at the back staring at Mystique's ass.

Oh is that him, not been reading this ark, looks kinda cool, is there any pictures of him by himself?
ps... He his staring at Mystique's Arse....NICE ONE BOBBY!!

ProfeZZor X

10-28-2006, 01:42 PM

Kind of I mean seriously they put him in a suit and then he's suddenly wearing his very black y fronts!

The guy is can take bullets when iced up am I right? I was just thinking of having him kinda like Wolverine in Morrisons run. You know top half exposed so when he ices up we see that. Now he can shift back and forth again I just thought it would kinda make better sense.

I'd be okay with him wearing a black tank top shirt with an X logo on it, and black shorts.

Option "B" would be a body suit, like the ultimate Iceman wore during his Weapon X days.

ghost113

10-28-2006, 07:24 PM

bobby becoming way cooler than he has been recently.

ProfeZZor X

10-28-2006, 11:46 PM

bobby becoming way cooler than he has been recently.

The problem is, he hasn't been around long enough (without being blown up) to be cool. I think when he comes back this time he might use the water from Sangre's body (since he's made of water), like he did in "The Draco". I could be wrong, but then again they are up in the air on the air ship, where there's plenty of cloud moisture he could recondense into.

The Englishman

10-29-2006, 10:14 AM

Why whats happened to him?

Max Shrek

10-29-2006, 11:03 AM

BTW Englishman, you got your quote a bit wrong. The actual quote is "And before I go *Rose tries to interrupt* Before I go, I just wanted to say you were fantastic. Absolutely fantastic. And do you know what? So was I. *bursts into flames and turns into Cassanova*"

The Englishman

10-30-2006, 06:59 AM

HA....oh yeah....

ProfeZZor X

10-30-2006, 05:28 PM

Even though it's already been posted, it's gonna be along way until we see this book. Mike Carey definitely knows how to keep his crowds in suspense. And looking back to his first issue on this book in my collection, it's funny how what I know now up until this current issue, still means nothing, because it's still every bit as exciting as the first issue he put out.

http://www.mikecarey.net/images/xmen_193.jpg

Specter313

10-30-2006, 05:35 PM

Heh, at least now we know why we only see bits and pieces of Iceman on that cover. :p

Specter313

10-30-2006, 05:49 PM

Also, what's with that weird little robot dog thing on this and the first cover of the arc? Never seen it inside, why's it there?

aaronx

10-30-2006, 05:53 PM

Myself, I'm looking forward to some more bad ass Rogue and another dynamite Lady M quote.

Kevin D. Comicboy

10-30-2006, 06:16 PM

Myself, I'm looking forward to some more bad ass Rogue and another dynamite Lady M quote.don't know how new you are. I know it said you just joined, but that could mean you're just someone with a new name. Whatever! my point is--WELCOME TO THE HYPE!!

ProfeZZor X

10-30-2006, 09:52 PM

Heh, at least now we know why we only see bits and pieces of Iceman on that cover. :p

Ice shrapnel floating around Iceman has always been Bachalo's style. Only it looks like he didn't use Sangre for a water source to reconstitute himself. I'm going out on a limb and say he used the cloud moisture above to regenerate himself. And from the looks of it, the airship has either been destroyed, or severely damaged. Otherwise all of them wouldn't be falling from the sky. My other guess is that the Sentinels at the mansion may have possibly had something to do with it.

danielisthor

10-30-2006, 10:32 PM

Also, what's with that weird little robot dog thing on this and the first cover of the arc? Never seen it inside, why's it there?

Maybe its his calling card or just his "thing". SOrta like McFarlane use to put Felix the Cat in discreet places.

ProfeZZor X

10-31-2006, 10:58 AM

Maybe its his calling card or just his "thing". SOrta like McFarlane use to put Felix the Cat in discreet places.

Or Silvestri for adding those wrapped & knotted webs around Spiderman's shooting webs... Or was that someone else I'm thinking about.

Bachalo also did the same thing with the Ultimate Iceman... Using the same ice shrapnel floating in mid air.

mightiest_mortal

10-31-2006, 12:11 PM

it looks more like the tips of the fingers and thumb of a massive icehand above the piture.

Also... Karima, is she wearing a wig, or can she grow her hair back real quick.
Personally, i think she looked more interesting Bald

chris moore

10-31-2006, 01:31 PM

Well, Cable isnt in that pic anyway. So I think we could probably just as easily assume that isnt a broken up Iceman, but just maybe an ice wall or something shattered during the fight. The fire guy is already shooting fire - Rogue and Cannonball's powers are reddy/yellow like fire, so too many firelike power signatures would make it a boring cover. Maybe the ice is just for variation

gothicFLAVOURS

10-31-2006, 01:59 PM

Well, Cable isnt in that pic anyway
Isn't he the one behind Rogue, the one with a gun???

chris moore

10-31-2006, 03:26 PM

Oh yeah - sorry. Hard to tell when everyone is a slightly different shade of pale yellow...

The Englishman

11-01-2006, 03:25 PM

Wheres Iceman??

MaleRogue

11-01-2006, 04:40 PM

Yeah my question to I don't see hiom LMAO

ghost113

11-01-2006, 04:56 PM

Wow just read last weeks issue thats truly does suck for iceman.

04nbod

11-01-2006, 06:06 PM

i saw this in forbidden planet today- glanced through- love the way rogue is drawn and her dialogue is great.Rogue has really returned maybe better than ever?kinda makes up for her in X3- kinda- gonna pick it up tomorrow. in the meantime i bought x men first class part 2

ProfeZZor X

11-02-2006, 11:30 AM

Wheres Iceman??

He's there, but the way this cover is designed, you're looking in "first person" perspective. So you're actually looking through the eyes of Iceman as they're all falling from te sky.

Ghost113 - It can only get better for Iceman after this is all over. Have faith in Carey.

Generation Lee

11-02-2006, 03:35 PM

He's there, but the way this cover is designed, you're looking in "first person" perspective. So you're actually looking through the eyes of Iceman as they're all falling from te sky.

Ghost113 - It can only get better for Iceman after this is all over. Have faith in Carey.

Yes lets face it Iceman is just blew up simply so he can come back and show those stupid children that they are not as avdvanced as they think. I'm thinking that he'll drain the moisture from the heat produced by the guy who blew him up.

squeekness

11-03-2006, 04:03 PM

Or Silvestri for adding those wrapped & knotted webs around Spiderman's shooting webs... Or was that someone else I'm thinking about.

Bachalo also did the same thing with the Ultimate Iceman... Using the same ice shrapnel floating in mid air.I am pretty sure that was McFarlane and I rather liked the webs looking like that. :D

Kevin D. Comicboy

11-03-2006, 04:11 PM

McFarlane drew the best spidey, and the best webs ever.

squeekness

11-03-2006, 04:15 PM

I like a lot of Mcfarlane stuff. I wish he was a Marvel regular but heck, nothing beats owning your own company I guess. :D

Kevin D. Comicboy

11-03-2006, 04:22 PM

I'd love to own my own comic company... one day... I will... I know--I BELIEVE!!

squeekness

11-03-2006, 04:24 PM

Hey some guy submitted work to Wizard for a contest and he got to pencil a Wolverine story in X-men Unlimited. It can happen! :D

Kevin D. Comicboy

11-03-2006, 04:27 PM

lucky bastard.lol

aaronx

11-03-2006, 05:14 PM

ProfeZZor X

11-03-2006, 05:40 PM

Yes lets face it Iceman is just blew up simply so he can come back and show those stupid children that they are not as avdvanced as they think. I'm thinking that he'll drain the moisture from the heat produced by the guy who blew him up.

I'm not too sure on the moisture extraction from heat, but they are up in the sky... And where there are clouds, there is moisture.

Sangre is also made of what looks like some form of organic water, but seeing that he's a part of the group falling from the sky on that cover, I doubt if Iceman has the guts to doing anything to him to end this conflict by using his water manipulating abilities. Although he probably would gain a great deal of respect from his teammates.

OutcryX

11-04-2006, 08:41 AM

Latest news on Gambit's return from Mike himself.

- his being with Sinister *will* be addressed.
- it will be part of an arc
- chances of a reconciliation (whether with Rogue or with the X-Men generally) bad in the short term, better in the medium term.

any news on Sunfire.....also..with Sunfire's powers returned to him...doesnt that mean that Rogue should no longer have them? i.e. her no longer having her Ms. Marvel Powers now that Ms. marvel is back in action and kicking all kinds of a$$

squeekness

11-04-2006, 09:51 AM

Maybe we'll hear about Sunfiore when Gambit comes back. :)

@JeanGrey

11-04-2006, 10:21 AM

Maybe we'll hear about Sunfiore when Gambit comes back. :)

Gambit back...let's hope they'll get rid of this "death" thing with him

Specter313

11-04-2006, 11:59 AM

Specter313

11-04-2006, 12:00 PM

any news on Sunfire.....also..with Sunfire's powers returned to him...doesnt that mean that Rogue should no longer have them? i.e. her no longer having her Ms. Marvel Powers now that Ms. marvel is back in action and kicking all kinds of a$$

No, Rogue's powers have never worked like that.

aaronx

11-04-2006, 01:30 PM

How about a link?http://www.mikecarey.net/?p=130#comments

Comment 60.

ProfeZZor X

11-04-2006, 03:16 PM

How about a link?

The link has already been posted above, but here is his direct quote (he's referring to Bobby's sexuality, and mentioned Gambit towards the end):

"I’ve been sort of hoping *not* to be pinned down on this one, because my own feelings about sexuality militate against a direct answer. I think everyone’s basically bisexual, and that our sexual responses are mostly social constructs. So calling someone straight or gay is only ever a comment on their lifestyle, not on something fundamental in their nature.

In that respect, clearly all of Bobby’s past romantic/sexual relationships have been with women, which would make him straight by most people’s definition. The idea that he’s gay has gained a lot of currency with fans - I think his relationship with Cloud was the most significant trigger for that speculation - but it’s never been addressed in continuity. I personally don’t feel it would do major violence to Iceman’s character to have him enter into a gay relationship, but I do think it would be hard to portray realistically unless you led up to it very carefully. It’s certainly not part of my plans for the immediate future, but that doesn’t mean it’s ruled out forever. I hope that at least partially answers your question.

Re Warren - could very well happen around #204-#205. (regards to Warren/Bobby's past friendship)

Re Cyclops - I haven’t read that issue yet! Can’t wait… (person asked if Mike will feature a visorless/powerless Cyclops in his book)

Jake - I can’t cover all of these points, but:-
- his being with Sinister *will* be addressed.
- it will be part of an arc
- chances of a reconciliation (whether with Rogue or with the X-Men generally) bad in the short term, better in the medium term.

Comment by Mike Carey — November 3, 2006 @" 4:32 am (http://www.mikecarey.net/?p=130#comment-3751)

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11-04-2006, 07:33 PM

http://www.mikecarey.net/?p=130#comments

Comment 60.
Thanx. So it looks like Husk is going to be on the roster after 200. Ha @ how Carey was ambiguous on whether it would be Lila or Husk, and everyone just assumed Paige, which he basically confirmed in his next post...he wasn't fooling anyone. Poor Lila...the consummate cameo pro. He also said something about Warren turning up post 200. Could we be seeing indications of the new roster when the dust settles after the events of 200? He pretty much confirmed Lady Mastermind and Karima aren't longterm projects also.

mightiest_mortal

11-04-2006, 08:31 PM

ProfeZZor X

11-04-2006, 08:48 PM

I know lots of lovers of Slash out there like to think of Bobby as a closet gay, but when has Bobby ever shown any romantic feelings towards any male or shown any implication that he was gay?
There have been many cases to the contrary, but the only time i can think is the whole cloud situation, who as a living nebula that was female most of the time Iceman new her makes that relationship confusing at best.

Everyone is basing his homosexuality off of that "Cloud" incident, when in fact, after he found out that she could turn into a he, Bobby called off the relationship. Something any regular heterosexual male would do. Any of you can verify this by looking at the actual panel from that situation in his personal spotlight on "uncannyxmen.net".

It even goes on to show that he actually wanted to help Cloud find his/her own identity... So long as they were only friends.

People also seem to forget that he also had an attraction towards Moondragon when he was a Defender.

And lets not forget the early times when him and Beast were close friends, and Bobby would always want to go out and hit on girls.

The Englishman

11-05-2006, 09:47 AM

Yes this Gay thing is Total Bull****!!!!

Kevin D. Comicboy

11-05-2006, 10:12 AM

But like Carey said, everyone is, In his eyes, "Bi". Bobby may not be gay, but it doesn't mean he's straight. That said, It would be weird if Bobby liked guys. He's too big of a name to feel completely ok with it.

Havok83

11-05-2006, 11:01 AM

mightiest_mortal

11-05-2006, 11:27 AM

But like Carey said, everyone is, In his eyes, "Bi".

no no no no no.

Only a Bi person could say that.

Im straight. I've never had any romantic/sexual feelings towards any other males.... ever. Im quite sure that I'm not in the minority that people make me out to be these days either.

Yes i can see how people can see Sexuality as a scale, so some people can be more Bi, and others less... but that needs to take in to account that some people can be so much less Bi that they arent acctually Bi at all, which in itself defeats half the point the whole "everyones Bi" thing.

As for Iceman, he hasnt shown any indictation of being Gay at all, apart from that he hasnt really had any really long term relationships with a girl...but we cant just assume people are Gay because they dont have girlfriends.

Kevin D. Comicboy

11-05-2006, 02:21 PM

no no no no no.

Only a Bi person could say that.

Im straight. I've never had any romantic/sexual feelings towards any other males.... ever. Im quite sure that I'm not in the minority that people make me out to be these days either.

Yes i can see how people can see Sexuality as a scale, so some people can be more Bi, and others less... but that needs to take in to account that some people can be so much less Bi that they arent acctually Bi at all, which in itself defeats half the point the whole "everyones Bi" thing.

As for Iceman, he hasnt shown any indictation of being Gay at all, apart from that he hasnt really had any really long term relationships with a girl...but we cant just assume people are Gay because they dont have girlfriends.
Ok, hear this, you are a real man. Bobby is not. Now, If carey wanted to, he could make Iceman Gay or Bi. It doesn't mean he'll do it tomorrow, but he can. yes, I know bobby has been around for over 40 years, and have not shown these feelings, but that doesn't mean that the writers can't build up to it. If I were the writer, I would put clues here and there, And maybe 5-10 years down the line, I'll say, "hey, look who's gay!" And it isn't fair to use the argument of "the character never thought of these feelings. We'd know because we get to see what's in their heads." once again to everyone, just because there was no indications in the past, it doesn't mean that they can't be put there now. the writers never thought to put those feelings in before. These are characters that "we" have the freewill to change, you know, the same characters who could fly and whatnot. So in the future, if they wanted Bobby to be gay or bi, they can build up on it, and that will be that.

ProfeZZor X

11-06-2006, 12:00 AM

Ok, hear this, you are a real man. Bobby is not. Now, If carey wanted to, he could make Iceman Gay or Bi. It doesn't mean he'll do it tomorrow, but he can. yes, I know bobby has been around for over 40 years, and have not shown these feelings, but that doesn't mean that the writers can't build up to it. If I were the writer, I would put clues here and there, And maybe 5-10 years down the line, I'll say, "hey, look who's gay!" And it isn't fair to use the argument of "the character never thought of these feelings. We'd know because we get to see what's in their heads." once again to everyone, just because there was no indications in the past, it doesn't mean that they can't be put there now. the writers never thought to put those feelings in before. These are characters that "we" have the freewill to change, you know, the same characters who could fly and whatnot. So in the future, if they wanted Bobby to be gay or bi, they can build up on it, and that will be that.

That may be all well said and done, but the fact that all of his 616 and non-616 counterparts have all been straight, it would seem kind of weird for this "lifestyle" to come out all of a sudden after 40 years of a heterosexual personality.... That's like waking up and saying: "Hey, after forty years of unsuccessful relationships, I finally realize I'm gay!".

Kevin D. Comicboy

11-06-2006, 12:48 AM

That may be all well said and done, but the fact that all of his 616 and non-616 counterparts have all been straight, it would seem kind of weird for this "lifestyle" to come out all of a sudden after 40 years of a heterosexual personality.... That's like waking up and saying: "Hey, after forty years of unsuccessful relationships, I finally realize I'm gay!".and you know what, if it takes another 40 years to build him up as being gay, they'll do it, and it'll work. why? because marvel would be working on the next gen (not the comicbook, but the people who will read after us) and they'll only know a bi bobby, like we know a straight one. it's all about the future now, some of us won't always be here. But as I already said, it would be weird, even for me, if bobby were gay. it brings too many questions to my mind, and even though i like the those questions (because i'm a prev) i kinda don't want the answers.

danielisthor

11-06-2006, 10:23 AM

chris moore

11-06-2006, 10:52 AM

ProfeZZor X

11-06-2006, 11:46 AM

Except in the Ultimate Universe, Iceman is already established as being straight. And in the 616, Colossus was always a gentle soul who never really showed an obvious interest in women, flirtation, or sex and was even shocked when Kitty came onto him/kissed him. He has had sexual encounters of course and I never would have thought maybe he was still in the closet and denying himself his true feelings; but he had the temperament that is often associated with latent homsexuality. Which is kind of the more preferred impression of gay men, rather than camper than a field of tents, *****y guys (that of course being the stereotype that has resulted in homophobia and aggressive attitudes over the years)

I'll have to agree with you completely on this one. Given, there are different types of gay personalities, Peter seems to be suited more to passive "closet gay" characteristics than Bobby. Some could also argue that Bobby could be more of a flamboyant closet gay, simply because of the constant jokes he cracks, but still, that doesn't account for his past history of relationships, female flirting, or female crushes.

In this day and age of unisex clothing, appearances, and lifestyles growing at an alarming rate, it seems too presumtuous for those that follow this lifestyle to incorporate this kind of ambiguity on these fictional characters. Does it bring a little more dimension to a character? ... Possibly. But the arguement could also be raised: What makes a gay character more interesting than a heterosexual character? ... Because if the quip remarks he/she makes... The "sassiness" or condescending tone of their voices, or the "jive talking" (black woman with attitude) mentality.... None of these traits fit Robert Louis Drake... So why should Marvel force them on him if they didn't exist before? ... To conform to societies current trend? ... I don't think so. :cmad:

Specter313

11-07-2006, 10:52 PM

From marvel.com (http://www.marvel.com/blogs/Agent_M/entry/557 (http://www.marvel.com/blogs/Agent_M/entry/557))

****SPOILERS THROUGHOUT****

It’s been a long, strange trip for Mike Carey. The British scribe started out on smaller books before gaining notoriety for writing mature, enthralling stories. His work at Marvel began with Ultimate Eleketra and later Spellbinders, but he didn’t truly find his stride until locking onto both X-Men and Ultimate Fantastic Four. Smashing into both books with a smattering of wild ideas and fresh takes, Carey’s quickly becoming one of Marvel’s hottest writers.
But you knew all that, didn’t you? How about we crack that wonderful brain open and see what exactly makes his wheels turn, yes?

Agent M: Your Ultimate FF run has had some pretty big concepts, plenty of crazy technology and a barrage of vividly new characters. Where did it all stem from?
Mike Carey: Well, a lot of it came from the King. All of the characters in the arc are based on Kirby originals--apart from Thanos, of course, who was created by Starlin. In a way, what I’m doing is a sort of a baroque riff on the series of Lee/Kirby FF stories that began with the FF discovering the sinister Sentry and ended with them fighting Ronan inside the cone of judgment. But there’s other stuff mixed in there as well, so I don’t think the parallels are always obvious.

AM: How do you like reinvisioning classic characters in the Ultimate Universe?
Carey: For my money, that’s the biggest pleasure of working in the Ultimate Universe--being able to go back to the classic Lee/Kirby stories and re-imagine the archetypal plots and characters for a new generation of readers. It means you’re always writing on two levels: aiming to give different kinds of satisfaction to readers who know the originals and readers who don’t.

AM: Aside from Thanos and Ronan, are there any other classic characters or concepts showing up in “God War” that may not be quite so apparent?
Carey: Oh yeah, very definitely--but I think part of the fun is the argument about where your inspirations are coming from and who each character represents. They all have counterparts in classic Kirby stories, but beyond that I don’t want to get specific and short-circuit the discussion.

AM: With so much in the series being new and alien (literally and figuratively), how closely have you worked with artist Pasqual Ferry to establish the look and feel of everything?
Carey: We did a lot of work on character designs very early on, before I’d actually gone to script. Working with the Ultimate editors, I came up with a set of notes on who the big players were and roughly what I’d like them to look like. Then we brought Pasqual in and he started to do sketches, which immediately triggered fresh ideas and allowed me to refine the character notes and so on. The whole process was really enjoyable and almost effortless. I mean, here we were bringing in literally dozens of new characters in his first couple of issues on the book, and he not only rolled with it he came back with great ideas of his own that just opened everything up in new directions.

AM: You’ve also put the X-Men through the wringer, creating some crazy new villains and totally mixing up the team dynamics. How are you feeling about the book now that you’re several issues in?
Carey: I’m addicted to it. I hope there’s some kind of rehab program for former X-writers, or I’m in big trouble somewhere down the line. Seriously, it’s probably the most exciting gig I’ve ever had as a comics writer. There’s something about the X-verse that both inspires and intimidates you at the same time. I mean, you’re adding chapters to a story that spans literally tens of thousands of pages: probably the longest story ever told, or at least a serious contender. And it helped that I got pretty much all my favorite characters on the team--well, expect for a few who I then went ahead and borrowed anyway.

AM: Who’s been your favorite X-character to write, and why?
Carey: Rogue. Some characters you think you know until you get in the driving seat and start to write them--and then they surprise you. Rogue’s like that. I knew how strong she was, and I knew a lot of the big character beats that I wanted to hit. But there were things about her that started to come out of nowhere as I wrote her. It’s weird. I’d plan a scene one way and then I’d come to write it and I’d just feel, “no, she wouldn’t do it like that; she’d do this…” There’s a scene in [X-Men] #194 where she has to discipline Lady Mastermind, and it wasn’t anywhere in the plan. It happened because I just had this strong sense as I was writing the scene, “Rogue wouldn’t let that pass…”

AM: You’ve got some fascinating ideas, from the plots to technology to characters. How do you feel about creating so much from the ground up, particularly within the context of a book such as X-Men that has a great deal of history?
Carey: Well, it’s the bad guys I’m creating from the ground up, and that’s been lots of fun to do. It’s a challenge to create serious antagonists for the X-Men: not just because of the powers but because of the combat experience, it takes a lot to throw them off-balance. I enjoyed trying to come up with a threat that wasn’t mutant-based but would still allow for some classic team-on-team battle scenes.
But within the X-Men themselves, what I’m trying to do is to stay faithful to the classic portrayals of the characters and to let the surprises come from cool, unexpected interactions and tensions. Situations like trying to “tame” Sabretooth with the nano-sentinels are really drawing on elements that were there all along, but putting them together in what I hope are unexpected ways.
You have to remember that first and foremost this is a character-driven book: If you get the characters wrong, you’ve lost game, set and match.

AM: There’s a lot of buzz surrounding the return of Exodus in X-Men Annual #1. Can you give some context to the issue? Also, I hear tell that Exodus isn’t the only character making a reappearance in the annual. Can you give any revelations?
Carey: Well the context is the appearance of the twins, Northstar and Aurora, as puppets or servants of the Children of the Vault in X-Men #189 and #190. At the close of that story, the X-Men had taken the twins down but they hadn’t done anything beyond that. And clearly something needed to be done, because these were former comrades-in-arms, a former teammate in Northstar’s case, who had been through hell and still hadn’t come out the far end. So the X-Men’s goal in the annual is to put things right--or at least to start putting things right--for the Beaubiers.
But then Exodus turns up with a very different agenda, and everything is thrown into the melting pot. I don’t want to give too much away, but I will say that what he’s trying to do arises to some extent out of M-Day, and the depowering of Earth’s mutants--and that the story contains a big revelation about that event, or maybe makes something explicit that was there all along but hadn’t been faced.
And you’re right, Exodus isn’t alone. We’re seeing the revival here of a villain team that’s been through a great many incarnations and had some very prestigious members…

AM: What do you have more of an affinity for: the big, cosmic titles such as Ultimate Vision and Ultimate FF, smart super hero action as in X-Men or more supernatural-oriented projects you’ve done in the past?
Carey: Oh man, I don’t even know how to begin to answer that. I love telling the same kinds of stories that I love reading--which includes all the categories you just mentioned. It had been burning in me for a long time, this yen to write a big superhero book. I never imagined I’d get a crack at X-Men and Fantastic Four, but here I am. I’m a very happy man: professionally schizophrenic and very happy.

AM: What’re a few projects, books, issues, characters—whatever—on the horizon that you’re super excited about?
Carey: Well the X-Men Annual for one. I’m really knocked out by how that story came together and how Mark is drawing it. I think it’s one of the best things I’ve done.
And issue #200, which is also coming up. Chris [Bachalo] and I have got some great ideas percolating for that. And speaking of Chris, there’s a spread in #193 which is mind-fusingly gorgeous. I don’t just want to own it, I want to kiss it.
I’m totally psyched about the first issue of Ultimate Vision coming out. Brandon Peterson has drawn a symphony. It sings. It sings hosannas.
On the FF front, I’m looking forward to seeing how people react to the close of “God War,” as we bring in Thanos and Ronan--there’s some amazing stuff coming up there.
Oh, and I’m doing another story with the ineffable Mike Perkins for the Holiday Special. It’s called “A is for Annihilus,” and it’s in the same crazy vein as last year’s poetic extravaganza. Working with Mike is just being paid to have fun.

Five from the Fans – Five questions pulled straight from the Marvel.com message boards.

[B]What do you think of how Scott treated Jean? – Sarah1
Carey: I was up and down and all over the place. Some of the things he said and did were just so damn cruel I swore aloud at him. But it was a beautifully played, beautifully observed storyline: I never entirely lost sympathy with him, and more importantly, I could really see how someone--even someone fundamentally decent--could be drawn, step by step, into that awful situation. It was genuinely tragic, rather than the kind of over-loud mock-tragic you often get in comics.

I'd like to know which universe [you think] is better: the 616 universe or the ultimate universe and why? – Marc Miller
Carey: Speaking as a writer or as a reader? You go to them for different things, I think. The Ultimate Universe at its best is pure sugar rush: fantastic action, fantastic concepts, streamlined and eloquent storytelling. It can’t match the richness and complexity of 616, but it’s not trying to. It’s like, you know, is Tarantino better than Kubrick? No, definitely not, but when you’re in the mood for the first one, you’ll probably get less out of the second.

I'd like to know what [your] opinion is on the large number of X-titles, (besides your own). Which is [your] favorite, and what other writer (if any) [you] enjoy reading the work of in comics today. – Butters266
Carey: When it comes to the X-Men I’m kind of a sporadic completist. There are gaps in my collection, but I’ve always picked them up and I’ve always tried to stay abreast of what was happening. Right now I’m loving both Astonishing and Uncanny--can’t say I have a favorite because, again, you’re not comparing like with like. I think Peter David is doing a fantastic job with X-Factor--turning it into a book with its own unique flavor, very unlike the rest of the line. I always get a big kick out of Cable and Deadpool (the “Burnt Offerings” arc was one of my favourite X-stories of recent years). I like what Kyle and Yost are doing with New X-Men.
Outside of the X-verse, I’ll read anything that Brubaker is putting out, anything that Grant Morrison writes and of course Mark Millar’s Ultimates and Bendis’s Ultimate Spider-Man.

There's been rumors of a big Sinister storyline next year because of it being his 20th anniversary. Do you know anything of this? – Canemacar
Carey: I do. But if I told you I’d have to kill you.
Nah, seriously, Mister Sinister is in the offing: you’ll get a glimpse of him in January, and something a lot bigger than a glimpse later in the year. In fact, something pretty huge.

It seems that whenever a writer comes aboard an X-Book one of the things they immediately do is generate new love interests within the team. Over the years, the X-teams often feel more like a dating pool than a team and family. Do you feel that it is essential for teammates to be romantically involved with one another? – Aleinfreakjim
Carey: Nope, not at all. But you are going to get romantic attractions forming in any group of people that are thrown into each other’s company a lot--especially in extreme and stressful situations. It can be overdone, but as I said earlier this is a character-based book: We care about the characters and their relationships. Romantic/sexual relationships are one part of that. I’d normally want to avoid making the relationships the core of any given story, though: they’re the architecture that underpins the stories.

That’s all for now!

Agent M
-Your Spy inside the House of Ideas

There's also several images that are a bit spoilery in nature:

Page from X-Men #194
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/6743/557newstoryimage2917731og7.jpg

Character sketch for someone called Cadena(looks like another member of The Children)
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/310/557newstoryimage2847594cx1.jpg

Exodus in X-Men Annual #1
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/5860/5576655full2916580yi2.jpg

ProfeZZor X

11-08-2006, 01:55 AM

Character sketch for someone called Cadena(looks like another member of The Children)
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/310/557newstoryimage2847594cx1.jpg

I wonder if those knobs on their costumes have anything to do with their technology based powers... All of them seem to have them on their costumes. Except for Sangre.

04nbod

11-08-2006, 04:58 PM

nice... a rogue fan- no wonder she's been so good recently

Rogue's Hand

11-08-2006, 11:45 PM

I'm so happy he's a Rogue fan!!!!
Jesus!!!!!!!!!! Finally!!!!!!! :heart:

Kevin D. Comicboy

11-09-2006, 01:11 AM

why does that look like magneto?

danielisthor

11-09-2006, 01:22 AM

why does that look like magneto?

In the Exodus panel? I think it is Magnus.

Kevin D. Comicboy

11-09-2006, 01:35 AM

awesome. let's hope. anyone else smell BROTHERHOOD!!!???

Snikt 6

11-10-2006, 10:36 AM

Carey just seems so cool, doesn't he? In every interview that I read from him he is so down to earth and really seems to care about what he does - unlike other writers out there. With Exodus coming back is Magneto far behind????? I really enjoy Carey adding Lady Mastermind to the team, even if it is for a few arc's. I could do without Sabertooth though......this just seems forced.

Chris Bachalo is the perfect artisit for this book. His Rouge is simply the best.

I know there are many Wolverine haters out there, but man, Logan would be perfect for this team. I am glad he has at least made some apperances in X-Men. Does anyone know what the lineup will be after issue #200??

Colossal Spoons

11-10-2006, 10:44 AM

awesome. let's hope. anyone else smell BROTHERHOOD!!!???

Aw man. Do you remember who was responsible for the Brotherhood's disappearance in the first place? Yeah, Xorn's brother. If we get the Brotherhood back, we gotta deal with more Xorneto crap and I think I've had my fill. :(:mad:

ProfeZZor X

11-10-2006, 12:57 PM

A little something I picked up from the internet:

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/42601959/?qo=24&q=by%3Ageddlee&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps

(I'm just hoping Iceman will be her backup and do something creative with his powers to Sangre while he's not looking)

EDIT: Holy F***ing crap!!!! there's more to this webpage than I thought. Scroll back some pages, and you'll see a bloodied Rogue, and Sam preventing the airship from crashing down on the institute.

spark627

11-10-2006, 02:32 PM

cant see the image :(

ProfeZZor X

11-10-2006, 04:28 PM

cant see the image :(

I posted the link instead of the picture this time... AND, there are more pictures than I thought. You'll have to scroll back page by page to see two (or three, I can't remember) additional pages, using the arrow button. I posted a spoiler about it above.

ProfeZZor X

11-10-2006, 04:32 PM

Lots of new info from Mike!!! Spoilers ahead!

About Rogue and Sam's friendship: "re Rogue and Sam, and the whole friendship issue: yeah, I take the point and I agree a hundred per cent. The romances come and go, but the friendships and mutual trust forged by - well, by going through hell together on a regular basis - is for me the absolute backbone of the X-Men. When Rogue chose Sam and Bobby for the team, that was the tone I wanted to hit. She says they’re both solid gold, and I think we know what she means"

About Rogue's future love life (YES, it's not Gambit!!): "there are all sorts and gradations of relationship between friendship and romantic love. Rogue is going to be touched very closely by someone in the latter half of next year. It won’t in any sense be a betrayal of what she had and might have again with Remy, but it will be an intense and poignant experience for her."

About Iceman's powers increasing: "no hints on where Iceman’s powers are going. But the next development comes in #195."

About Cable's future in the X-World: "glad you’re enjoying the character beats so far. Yeah, what we’re going to do with Cable in X-Men does indeed set him up for some interesting developments in ‘07. I can’t be too specific, obviously, but the X-Men - ALL the X-Men - are going to find themselves in a situation where the view from the far future might be intensely relevant. But Cable’s take on what’s happening is unexpected, to say the least. And the way things play out will leave Nate in many ways more isolated and in a more precarious position than he’s ever been.

Beyond that, or rather before that, there’s a story coming up which will throw Cable into a different kind of crisis arising from how his powers work and don’t work. Expect big upheavals and nasty side effects that will spill messily and we hope enjoyably across Cable and Deadpool too."

About Cecilia Reyes possibly showing up: "As far as Cecilia Reyes is concerned, I can only say watch this space. There’s a chance she’ll put in an appearance, but it would be in the longer term."

About Sinister's big return: "Sinister is coming to the fore slowly over the next few months. Some of this will happen in X-Men, some of it elsewhere - because it’s going to be big. Really big."

About a Marauders reunion: " I could not possibly comment. Yet." :)

About Cadena: "Cadena is another one of the Children. I don’t think she ever gets named on-panel, though."

More about Pan: "Pan’s got two arms. Don’t know exactly what protrusions you mean, but he’s a very sick puppy in the literal sense of the phrase and part of that is that his body is always doing slightly crazy and grotesque things."

About Lady M giving trouble for Rogue: "Lady M is basically disgracing the uniform - the one with an ‘X’ on it. Not something that Rogue is going to take lightly when it happens on her watch."

About Cargill appearing in the future: "it’s funny you should ask… :) "

About Rogue and Mystique: "underneath it all there’s a bond between them that still exists. In a way that’s why all of Raven’s actions recently have hit Rogue so hard. If she could write the relationship off, as she so often seems to be trying to do, then Mystique wouldn’t have the power to hurt her. It’s only the people we love who can really wreck us. The scene in the annual is starting to touch on this, but the twister really hits in #200."

About Mike exploring Rogue's emotions regarding Gambit leaving: "count on it."

Kevin D. Comicboy

11-10-2006, 04:53 PM

awesome

Specter313

11-10-2006, 04:59 PM

Prof, can you start including links for that stuff as well, please? So we don't know if you're just bsing us.

ProfeZZor X

11-10-2006, 05:45 PM

Prof, can you start including links for that stuff as well, please? So we don't know if you're just bsing us.

No disrespect, but I wouldn't do that to you guys. I'm old enough not to pull anyone's chain here. I'm as much a big fan as the next person in this forum. Besides, I've never let any of you down before with misinformation.

But fair enough... I will post the links in the future.

Snikt 6

11-10-2006, 05:48 PM

Great info, and the links would be nice also. Looks like Carey has his stuff together. X-Men just seems like it is flowing so much smoother than Uncanny right now.

ProfeZZor X

11-10-2006, 06:16 PM

To prove I'm on the "up and up", here is more information on some recent questions he answered for fans (and the link):

http://www.mikecarey.net/?p=130#comments

"Man, I let this slide again. Apologies to those who’ve been patiently waiting for an answer - and thanks to all who said nice things.

Hotknife - I sort of figured Rogue might not be in the mood to kiss-and-steal in the immediate aftermath of Gambit’s recent actions. But it’s going to happen sooner or later. You can’t keep a good woman down.

And re Rogue and Sam, and the whole friendship issue: yeah, I take the point and I agree a hundred per cent. The romances come and go, but the friendships and mutual trust forged by - well, by going through hell together on a regular basis - is for me the absolute backbone of the X-Men. When Rogue chose Sam and Bobby for the team, that was the tone I wanted to hit. She says they’re both solid gold, and I think we know what she means.

Hi-Fi, Christian - there are all sorts and gradations of relationship between friendship and romantic love. Rogue is going to be touched very closely by someone in the latter half of next year. It won’t in any sense be a betrayal of what she had and might have again with Remy, but it will be an intense and poignant experience for her.

BTW, thanks for that recommendation, Christian. I don’t have that issue, but I’m sure I can unearth it from somewhere.

Profezzor X - nope, no hints on where Iceman’s powers are going. But the next development comes in #195.

Richard - glad you’re enjoying the character beats so far. Yeah, what we’re going to do with Cable in X-Men does indeed set him up for some interesting developments in ‘07. I can’t be too specific, obviously, but the X-Men - ALL the X-Men - are going to find themselves in a situation where the view from the far future might be intensely relevant. But Cable’s take on what’s happening is unexpected, to say the least. And the way things play out will leave Nate in many ways more isolated and in a more precarious position than he’s ever been.

Beyond that, or rather before that, there’s a story coming up which will throw Cable into a different kind of crisis arising from how his powers work and don’t work. Expect big upheavals and nasty side effects that will spill messily and we hope enjoyably across Cable and Deadpool too.

André, Piotr - that’s music to my ears, guys. Thanks a lot. As far as Cecilia Reyes is concerned, I can only say watch this space. There’s a chance she’ll put in an appearance, but it would be in the longer term.

Chris G - Thanks, I’ll definitely stop by. I’d love to get my hands on Psylocke, even if it was only for a cameo.

Rafa - Yeah, it was a ghost: a poltergeist. We find out where it came from and how Vascar got hold of it in #4 and #5. Mother One is central to how the arc plays out, and yeah, a modicum of ass will be kicked. Glad you’re enjoying the book. My favourite issues - the two-parter titled “I’ll Break you First” - are still to come.

Hi-Fi: (1) Sinister is coming to the fore slowly over the next few months. Some of this will happen in X-Men, some of it elsewhere - because it’s going to be big. Really big. (2) I could not possibly comment. Yet. (3) Cadena is another one of the Children. I don’t think she ever gets named on-panel, though.

Soulkiller - Pan’s got two arms. Don’t know exactly what protrusions you mean, but he’s a very sick puppy in the literal sense of the phrase and part of that is that his body is always doing slightly crazy and grotesque things. Lady M is basically disgracing the uniform - the one with an ‘X’ on it. Not something that Rogue is going to take lightly when it happens on her watch.

Nyssie - it’s funny you should ask…

Amabel - I love your analysis of the Rogue/Raven relationship. And I think you’re right that underneath it all there’s a bond between them that still exists. In a way that’s why all of Raven’s actions recently have hit Rogue so hard. If she could write the relationship off, as she so often seems to be trying to do, then Mystique wouldn’t have the power to hurt her. It’s only the people we love who can really wreck us. The scene in the annual is starting to touch on this, but the twister really hits in #200.

Sparta - count on it.

Hef! Hef! Hef! Okay, as usual, hope I didn’t miss anyone out or fob anyone off with a glib answer. Feel free to come back at me if I did…

Comment by Mike Carey — November 9, 2006 @ 12:32 pm"

Never thought I had to prove myself, considering how long I've been here, and as much as I post, but hey... whatever.

Specter313

11-10-2006, 06:27 PM

Never thought I had to prove myself, considering how long I've been here, and as much as I post, but hey... whatever.

It's not you but the truthfulness of the news that's in question. If we don't know where it's coming from, it could be from anywhere and someone that's posing as Mike and you could be getting fooled just as much as us. That's why whenever I put up an article, I put the link to go with it so everyone can go and check for themselves.

@JeanGrey

11-10-2006, 07:02 PM

From the link ProfeZZor X posted, Mike's comment concerning Rogue's love life

Umm… I don’t think I said word one about moving Rogue away from Gambit. I said she was going to meet someone who would get very close to her, and that she was going to have an intense and emotionally wrenching experience. I wasn’t being coy, I was being as explicit as I could without giving away a character beat that I’d rather not signal.

(prays prays prays for something good to happen...just put Gambit and Rogue back together in the future, you can't have all relationships in X-universe torn apart...plz...)

Snikt 6

11-11-2006, 12:14 AM

ProfeZZor X

11-11-2006, 12:41 PM

Again, ProfeZZor X good info, thanks. Personally I don't like to ask for the links to make sure its "all good" but I like seeing the sites that have info I actually care about. It would be nice to read about some type of romance that is not forced.

I hate the fact that Marvel has literally forced the Rogue & Gambit relationship onto countless fans. And along with that, they can't see anything beyond that, in terms of either of them being in a relationship outside of each other. I was never a fan of either character, so it doesn't affect me, but for those that are, it just seems like they can't have their peanut butter without the jelly.

Snikt 6

11-11-2006, 03:18 PM

Very good point. Rogue has always been one of my favorites, but Gambit...not so much. I was hoping he was gone for good.....just so they could do something with Rogue besides dumping Gambit. What about Rogue & Bobby, or Logan or even Warpath? Something new....please.

spark627

11-11-2006, 03:21 PM

Snikt 6

11-11-2006, 04:14 PM

I don't really care for Gambit, but I have loved Rogue since I was 10... I can't imagine her with anyone else, they def needed a break (I think everything needed a break after Milligan crapped all over the X-Men), but they do belong together in the long run, IMO.

To me Scott and Jean belong together and Pete and Kitty belong together. They just seem...right. But the stuff with Rogue and Gambit has always seemed forced, IMO. It would be nice to see these characters finally happy, but I dont feel Rogue and Gambit will ever have no doubts about each other.

Havok83

11-11-2006, 07:04 PM

Snikt 6

11-11-2006, 11:33 PM

Love Rogue, hate Rogue/Gambit. That pairing has run its course and has been dead since the Mutant Massacre reveal. Things ended there and thats how they should have stayed. Its been the same ol story ever since. IMO he brings her down and Ive been loving this version of Rogue without him around. Carey has been doing wonders with her and I hope he keeps it up

Couldn't have said it better myself. I feel it was over before the Mutant Massacre and they were stretching it out for that big story line, but that is where it should have been laid to rest. Carey really is writing Rogue very well, honestly it is the best she has been written in years. Carey is exploring Iceman's powers, put Lady Mastermind back in comics and is at least trying to do something with Sabretooth. Cannonball has always seemed very bland to me (not quite sure why he has to chew on hay all the time, whatever) and it seems no one really knows who Cable is...so I hope he can give those two characters some good stories/action.

Havok83

11-12-2006, 07:31 PM

Snikt 6

11-12-2006, 09:11 PM

Yep, I feel that is a problem with alot of the X books today. The writers tend to focus on one, maybe two characters and everyone else has to play background. Rogue in X-Men, Kitty in Astonishing and Vulcan in Uncanny. It would be nice to read a story and have everyone play a part, or grow in some way.

usagicassidy

11-12-2006, 09:40 PM

Well everyone that's still alive plays an equal part in New X-Men, lol.

Havok83

11-12-2006, 10:49 PM

Well everyone that's still alive plays an equal part in New X-Men, lol.
lol...I used to complain about Hellion not getting much development or panel time there till recently in the last 2 issues with X-23. Still hoping he gets a meatier role. Oh and dont get me started on the little bit that Josh has been used. I do guess its at least good that he's alive, for now...lol

Snikt 6

11-12-2006, 11:05 PM

Well everyone that's still alive plays an equal part in New X-Men, lol.

Good call! That is why I have been picking up New X-Men. The writing is awesome and everyone plays a role. I have been reading since issue #22 so I am not up to speed as most people are, but the characters really have impressed me.

Silvermoth

11-13-2006, 04:15 AM

This series is great. Its a shame Bacchalo can't be as good an artist as Carrey is a writer but hes improving and it makes for great reading

ProfeZZor X

11-13-2006, 10:22 AM

This series is great. Its a shame Bacchalo can't be as good an artist as Carrey is a writer but hes improving and it makes for great reading

He's definitely come a long way over the years. I remember back in the day when this cover came out... Which was way before I knew who Bachalo was. And here I was thinking this was going to be illustrated just as nicely on the inside... I was sadly mistaken.

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/uncanny/uncanny360.jpg

Havok83

11-13-2006, 04:57 PM

He's definitely come a long way over the years. I remember back in the day when this cover came out... Which was way before I knew who Bachalo was. And here I was thinking this was going to be illustrated just as nicely on the inside... I was sadly mistaken.

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/uncanny/uncanny360.jpg
Bachalo used to be an amazing artist. His work on Gen X 1- about 23 or so was pretty good stuff. Afterwards he started drawing the characters deformed and young and they looked too cartoony. His art since has been more hit and miss. No where near as detailed as it used to be

usagicassidy

11-13-2006, 05:04 PM

Yeah Bachalo's art, for me, has always been hit-or-miss depending on the title. The young, cartoony way he drew worked in a book such as Generation X orNew Mutants, but sometimes on the main X-books, the art never really fit the content.

spark627

11-13-2006, 05:09 PM

And another thing. As much as Im loving Rogue and the way Carey is writing her, Im starting to hate how this title is turning into "Rogue and the X-men" She definetly had a lead role in this arc and looks like it will be the same way next arc, not to mention the annual focused around her and solicts and talk from Carey of more things to come her way. Um what about the other X-men? My other favorite in this book Bobby hasnt had much and Im not seeing too much in the future. Again I am happy that finally Rogue is back on top, but I dont want her to monopolize the book. This is starting to remind of of how Claremont used Psylocke once she came back.

I really don't think this is the case, if anything The Children are in the spotlight, not Rogue. Think about it, Carey has a lot to handle:
-introducing Rogue as leader
-introducing/explaining the team
-introducing/explaining the villian and their mission
- and most importantundoing the BS created by Milligan, Carey came into a book with a whiney and weak Rogue, Bobby was acting like a 15 year old love sick puppy over Lorna and more love triangles then you can count
I think Rogue will be in the spotlight of the book for a bit because she is kind of the Wolverine of this team but I don't think it will be at the cost of the rest of team (such is the case with Logan). I think Carey has done an excellent job of developing all of the characters.

Kevin D. Comicboy

11-13-2006, 05:18 PM

I hate Bachalo on his recent run on Uncanny, but I'm getting use to him On X-men, I actually like him on X-men. I guess it has to do with the characters he draws, for me.

spark627

11-13-2006, 05:20 PM

Snikt 6

11-14-2006, 12:14 AM

I really don't like his fight scenes, you can't understand what is happening... especially if fire is involved (ie: Cannonball and Rogue). I have to say though, he draws an amazing Rogue, she stands out in every panel IMO

He really does draw an amazing Rogue, he always has. And she does kind of pop out of every panel that he draws her in. The fight scenes are kind of confusing, but the still shots are great.

usagicassidy

11-14-2006, 12:38 AM

I think a lot of it has to do with the inkist and colorist as well. Right now, all three are fantasmic, and it shows.

Specter313

11-14-2006, 12:44 AM

I think a lot of it has to do with the inkist and colorist as well. Right now, all three are fantasmic, and it shows.

Lol, don't ya mean all 10? There's like seven inkers and 2 colorists.

Kevin D. Comicboy

11-14-2006, 03:26 AM

Lol, don't ya mean all 10? There's like seven inkers and 2 colorists.Yea, I saw that and I was like "Really... WTF?" That is just way too many minds at work.

Specter313

11-14-2006, 10:51 AM

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X-MEN #196
Written by MIKE CAREY
Pencils and Cover by HUMBERTO RAMOS
"Primary Infection"
The X-Men confront Pandemic and the Plague Dogs, but too late to stop Rogue from being infected with strain 88. How desperate do you have to be when Sabretooth is your ace in the hole? And will the cure turn out to be worse than the disease? Part 3 (of 3)
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

JustABill

11-14-2006, 11:37 AM

Something tells me this is where Rogue's powers are gonna change, and it's not gonna be for the better.

Colossal Spoons

11-14-2006, 11:50 AM

It's weird. I love Sunfire but hate Rogue with his powers. I'd welcome just about any change at this point. I'd kill for the Ms.Marvel set again though.

ProfeZZor X

11-14-2006, 11:50 AM

ProfeZZor X

11-14-2006, 11:53 AM

It's weird. I love Sunfire but hate Rogue with his powers. I'd welcome just about any change at this point. I'd kill for the Ms.Marvel set again though.

I think Rogue should wear a utility belt with little labelled pockets filled with skin flakes or hair of other mutants and super beings. This way she can call upon any past powers by touching it.... :whatever:

Colossal Spoons

11-14-2006, 11:56 AM

Haha right. Or they should just give her the ability to recall all powers absorbed.

JustABill

11-14-2006, 11:59 AM

Haha right. Or they should just give her the ability to recall all powers absorbed.
Didn't she have that for a while? o_O

Colossal Spoons

11-14-2006, 12:00 PM

Yeah, but it was under Milligan's writing so it wasn't utilized properly :(

Specter313

11-14-2006, 12:03 PM

Yeah, but it was under Milligan's writing so it wasn't utilized properly :(

:huh: No, that was during X-Treme X-Men.

Colossal Spoons

11-14-2006, 12:29 PM

I jumped onto that title about halfway through, wasn't she powerless then?

I just looked back and she only had sunfire's during Milligan's run.

Specter313

11-14-2006, 02:15 PM

I jumped onto that title about halfway through, wasn't she powerless then?

I just looked back and she only had sunfire's during Milligan's run.

Yeah, but I thought Bill was referring to being able to recall powers, not having Sunfire's powers.

Colossal Spoons

11-14-2006, 02:16 PM

Yeah, I was wrong about it being during Milligan's run. You said X-Treme but I remember her being powerless since Vargas stabbed her.

Specter313

11-14-2006, 02:17 PM

Yeah, I was wrong about it being during Milligan's run. You said X-Treme but I remember her being powerless since Vargas stabbed her.

Yeah, but immediatly before that, Rogue had Sage jumpstart her powers to recall past absorbtions so she could fight Vargas.

Colossal Spoons

11-14-2006, 02:32 PM

Ah ha, I always meant to read the X-stuff prior to that Vargas fight.

I'd love to see that again. Too bad Sage is too busy being 98% useless in New Excalibur. :(

AndThePickles

11-14-2006, 02:50 PM

JustABill, your avatar is FABULOUS.

This last X-Men issue confused the heck outta me!

Havok83

11-14-2006, 03:12 PM

Haha right. Or they should just give her the ability to recall all powers absorbed.
that was horrible. Id rather Rogue get the Ms. Marvel powers back but Im really not too much in a rush for that bc Carey is making her base powers work and is keeping things interesting

Rogue's Hand

11-14-2006, 03:30 PM

I really hope her powers evolve now!!!
:woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot:

The Englishman

11-14-2006, 04:26 PM

So what are rogues pwers now??

ProfeZZor X

11-14-2006, 04:46 PM

Yeah, but immediatly before that, Rogue had Sage jumpstart her powers to recall past absorbtions so she could fight Vargas.

The utterly stupid thing about that scenario is, Sage can re-jumpstart Rogue's powers, even advance Beast's to his current mutation, but yet she can't remove or modify the physical contact leeching curse she has... How lame.

I've always wondered about the implications of Sage's mutation advancement, and what the effect would have on all of the X-Men members. Particularly Sam and Bobby's mutations.

spark627

11-14-2006, 04:52 PM

So what are rogues pwers now??

She has her absorbing power as always, she lost the Ms Marvel powers but during a battle (in her series) she absorbed Sunfire, she still has his powers.

xmenfilesfan05

11-14-2006, 05:08 PM

The utterly stupid thing about that scenario is, Sage can re-jumpstart Rogue's powers, even advance Beast's to his current mutation, but yet she can't remove or modify the physical contact leeching curse she has... How lame.

I've always wondered about the implications of Sage's mutation advancement, and what the effect would have on all of the X-Men members. Particularly Sam and Bobby's mutations.

Yeah it's weird, but I thought Rogue's control of her leeching powers was purely something psychological, hence why Sage can't really "fix" it.

Colossal Spoons

11-14-2006, 05:13 PM

Sage = plot device personified

She's like an older Layla Miller.

Havok83

11-14-2006, 05:53 PM

Sage = plot device personified

She's like an older Layla Miller.
lol.....thats so true. One of the reasons why I could never get into Sage is that she is such a mystery and I cant get a read on her. Her powers keep changing to fit the story. She was much better when she was simply Tessa. At least her powers didnt confuse the hell out of me

Colossal Spoons

11-14-2006, 06:04 PM

$20 says Sage is the reason the depowered mutants end up getting repowered. No Magneto/Collective. No Pietro/Terrigen Mists. Just Sage. :p

ProfeZZor X

11-14-2006, 06:16 PM

Yeah it's weird, but I thought Rogue's control of her leeching powers was purely something psychological, hence why Sage can't really "fix" it.

*(Insert Emma mind probing to fix)*

Snikt 6

11-15-2006, 01:01 AM

*(Insert Emma mind probing to fix)*
Ha, don't say that....they might actually do it...

ProfeZZor X

11-15-2006, 01:48 AM

Ha, don't say that....they might actually do it...

Why Emma didn't do it to Bobby so he could overcome his insecurities is beyond me. He wanted more power, and to be more dangerous... So naturally it would make sense for her to tamper with his mind, since she was already there twice.

I can only imagine how much better a character he would be, even if she tweaked his way of thinking just a little bit... Say, similar to Johnny Storm, Cyclops or Wolverine.

ProfeZZor X

11-16-2006, 04:07 PM

Snikt 6

11-16-2006, 11:37 PM

Another thing about the whole Mystique and Bobby thing, is that this situation seems very similar to what Mystique and Pulse shared some time ago, a little bit of filrting, but with an alterior motive... to get him to court Marie. Only this time she may be doing it with Bobby. He was there when Mystique first introduced Pulse, and when she wanted to become a member. She also worked with him during the "Prosh/Stranger" incident, knows Rogue and Bobby have been close friends in the past, and they work well together. For some reason, it probably wouldn't surprise me to find out that Carey was purposely misleading us into the Mystique/Iceman relationship, when he had Bobby and Rogue planned all along. After all, he did say in a recent interview that Rogue would be with someone that wasn't disrespectful to the past Rogue/Gambit relationship... Because if you think about it, Bobby was right smack in the middle of the situation when Rogue confronted Gambit about leading the Mauraders... And he also helped her deal with it afterwards, as she also helped him deal with his father's bigotry.

Good stuff! I was thinking on the same lines when I read what Carey was saying about Rogue's "special someone". It would make perfect sense and I know it aint gonna be Sam. Bobby is a ladies man and I am sure he see's Rogue hurting. What do you think about this relationship if this happens? I'm alright with it, it works and hey, its not Gambit!

The Englishman

11-17-2006, 11:16 AM

Im up for some Rogue and Bobby loving!.....hell i got used to it in the movies.

squeekness

11-17-2006, 11:35 AM

I think it would be just fine to see Rogue off with another guy even though I am a Gambit fan. I never thought they were a good couple anyhow. :)

Snikt 6

11-18-2006, 01:58 AM

It actually make more and more sense the more I think about it. Wow, I think that is a personal record for "more"s in a sentence.

Specter313

11-18-2006, 02:15 AM

Maybe the reason why Mystique is being so nice to Rogue is because she wants her to start pooting out some grandkids... After all, Mystique ain't getting any younger.

Seriously though...

Another thing about the whole Mystique and Bobby thing, is that this situation seems very similar to what Mystique and Pulse shared some time ago, a little bit of filrting, but with an alterior motive... to get him to court Marie. Only this time she may be doing it with Bobby. He was there when Mystique first introduced Pulse, and when she wanted to become a member. She also worked with him during the "Prosh/Stranger" incident, knows Rogue and Bobby have been close friends in the past, and they work well together. For some reason, it probably wouldn't surprise me to find out that Carey was purposely misleading us into the Mystique/Iceman relationship, when he had Bobby and Rogue planned all along. After all, he did say in a recent interview that Rogue would be with someone that wasn't disrespectful to the past Rogue/Gambit relationship... Because if you think about it, Bobby was right smack in the middle of the situation when Rogue confronted Gambit about leading the Mauraders... And he also helped her deal with it afterwards, as she also helped him deal with his father's bigotry.

It could very well be my "conspiracy theory" mind at work, but what Carey presented to us on the cover of #190 turned out to be something totally different from what we expected. So this idea may not seem too far fetched.

No offense, but this seems very "grasping at straws"-y to me. Mystique and Bobby have interacted all of once since Carey started his run, and that is when she gave him mouth to mouth, so I don't know where you're getting most of this stuff from. There has been zero flirting between the two, and Pulse knew from the beginning that Mystique wanted to set him up with Rogue. There's also been nothing to lead us to think that Mystique and Bobby will have any kind of relationship except the cover, and we all know that it turned out in a completely different way. If you're thinking about anything that may have been said on his website, remember that internet comic readers make up a very small percentage of the readership, so to think that he's spinning a major conspiracy or anything like that to just a few people is a little out there. And just saying that Rogue and Bobby have worked together a long time isn't really that much of a basis of starting a relationship either. If that were the case, she could have done something with Havok, Beast, Colossus, or even the Professor.

ProfeZZor X

11-18-2006, 03:31 AM

No offense, but this seems very "grasping at straws"-y to me. Mystique and Bobby have interacted all of once since Carey started his run, and that is when she gave him mouth to mouth, so I don't know where you're getting most of this stuff from. There has been zero flirting between the two, and Pulse knew from the beginning that Mystique wanted to set him up with Rogue. There's also been nothing to lead us to think that Mystique and Bobby will have any kind of relationship except the cover, and we all know that it turned out in a completely different way. If you're thinking about anything that may have been said on his website, remember that internet comic readers make up a very small percentage of the readership, so to think that he's spinning a major conspiracy or anything like that to just a few people is a little out there. And just saying that Rogue and Bobby have worked together a long time isn't really that much of a basis of starting a relationship either. If that were the case, she could have done something with Havok, Beast, Colossus, or even the Professor.

What do you mean "you don't know where I'm getting this stuff from"?... If you're a long time X-Men reader, you would already know that Rogue and Iceman developed a strong friendship after she absorbed Gambit's powers and memories pre-Legion Quest. There were many times when Bobby and Rogue would throw out flirtatious quips during that time. For example: When they both entered a bar, and Rogue stripped down to her Daisy Dukes, and haltar top, and Bobby showed concern over her covering up her body. Now if you're referring to flirtation between Rogue and Pulse, that's not what I'm talking about. I was referring to Iceman and Mystique during the "XM Forever" arc... Long before Carey came along.

As for the "conspiracy theory", it's my own, not yours, or anyone elses. If you've taken the time to read verbatum the things Carey said in many of the interviews he's conducted in either a blog, or by formal interview with respected sources, you'd be able to understand what I'm talking about. You'd also know that Carey studies the pasts of his characters well, so everything he's currently writing: powers, dialogue, and personalities are a direct result of his extensive and well thought-out knowledge of their past.

Mystique and Bobby have interacted on past occasions, but the more significant encounter was during the X-Men Forever arc some years ago. If you've read that, you'd see there was far more interaction between the two in that short amount of time than any other occasion. In fact, I honestly think you misunderstood my statement completely when I made reference to Iceman and Mystique having a relationship at all. What I said was that Carey NEVER mentioned anything about Iceman and Mystique being in a "ROMANTIC" relationship.... It's amazing how the absence of one word can be misconstrued into an assumption. Much like the word "relationship"... And as you know there are many forms of relationships out there.

My point is that Carey has said a lot of things in the past, which may not necessarily be what we think, in the traditional sense. He said he was going to put Bobby into a relationship... but he never said what kind of relationship. He also answered questions about Iceman and Mystique being in a relationship, but the "CPR" situation they shared could be considered a form of personal relationship... Just as a doctor would share with his or her patient. It doesn't necessarily make it anything more than what it appears.... Much like that #190 cover.

Specter313

11-18-2006, 11:19 AM

What do you mean "you don't know where I'm getting this stuff from"?... If you're a long time X-Men reader, you would already know that Rogue and Iceman developed a strong friendship after she absorbed Gambit's powers and memories pre-Legion Quest. There were many times when Bobby and Rogue would throw out flirtatious quips during that time. For example: When they both entered a bar, and Rogue stripped down to her Daisy Dukes, and haltar top, and Bobby showed concern over her covering up her body. Now if you're referring to flirtation between Rogue and Pulse, that's not what I'm talking about. I was referring to Iceman and Mystique during the "XM Forever" arc... Long before Carey came along.

As for the "conspiracy theory", it's my own, not yours, or anyone elses. If you've taken the time to read verbatum the things Carey said in many of the interviews he's conducted in either a blog, or by formal interview with respected sources, you'd be able to understand what I'm talking about. You'd also know that Carey studies the pasts of his characters well, so everything he's currently writing: powers, dialogue, and personalities are a direct result of his extensive and well thought-out knowledge of their past.

It's pretty clear that when someone says that they don't know where you're getting something from, you need to be more clear. I'm not a long time reader, I've only gotten back into comics after X2 came out. But I know and have done enough research to know that it doesn't matter what happens in the past, only what happens in the present, because writers can easily change anything on a whim. Carey may not be the next messy author like Austen, but that doesn't mean that one simple encounter in a bar is going to turn into the next whirlwind romance for these two characters. I'm not the one who brought up any kind of flirtation between Pulse and Mystique, that was you, and I just pointed out that never existed, same with Iceman and Mystique since Carey has started his run. And again, go to my point about comic readers using the internet. They are a very small percentage, and to take the time to spin the kind of stuff you're suggesting is rather unneccessary.

Mystique and Bobby have interacted on past occasions, but the more significant encounter was during the X-Men Forever arc some years ago. If you've read that, you'd see there was far more interaction between the two in that short amount of time than any other occasion. In fact, I honestly think you misunderstood my statement completely when I made reference to Iceman and Mystique having a relationship at all. What I said was that Carey NEVER mentioned anything about Iceman and Mystique being in a "ROMANTIC" relationship.... It's amazing how the absence of one word can be misconstrued into an assumption. Much like the word "relationship"... And as you know there are many forms of relationships out there.

My point is that Carey has said a lot of things in the past, which may not necessarily be what we think, in the traditional sense. He said he was going to put Bobby into a relationship... but he never said what kind of relationship. He also answered questions about Iceman and Mystique being in a relationship, but the "CPR" situation they shared could be considered a form of personal relationship... Just as a doctor would share with his or her patient. It doesn't necessarily make it anything more than what it appears.... Much like that #190 cover.

Again, small interactions in the past are not enough to bring about the kinds of things you're talking about. If you didn't want to talk about Mytique and Bobby being in a romantic relationship, then you never should have brought up flirting. Last I checked, flirting tended to lead to romantic stuff. And another thing, tell me any time when a writer or anyone else has brought up the word "relationship" and not meant it to be that two characters are going to start dating each other. If you wanted to be more clear, then you shouldn't have been so vague. I'm sorry, but saying that he's putting Bobby in a relationship but then backtracking and being "Oh, I never said WHAT KIND of relationship" is, again, grasping at straws. Never have I ever seen an author say something like that and not mean that the character in question would ended up dating someone.

ProfeZZor X

11-18-2006, 01:11 PM

It's pretty clear that when someone says that they don't know where you're getting something from, you need to be more clear. I'm not a long time reader, I've only gotten back into comics after X2 came out. But I know and have done enough research to know that it doesn't matter what happens in the past, only what happens in the present, because writers can easily change anything on a whim. Carey may not be the next messy author like Austen, but that doesn't mean that one simple encounter in a bar is going to turn into the next whirlwind romance for these two characters. I'm not the one who brought up any kind of flirtation between Pulse and Mystique, that was you, and I just pointed out that never existed, same with Iceman and Mystique since Carey has started his run. And again, go to my point about comic readers using the internet. They are a very small percentage, and to take the time to spin the kind of stuff you're suggesting is rather unneccessary. .

If you're telling me that you've just started reading X-Men comics after seeing X-2, then we really shouldn't be having this conversation. But besides that, if you're that naive to think that characters are re-written each time a new writer takes over a book, then you're sadly mistaken. The basis for each writer is to take a part of that character's past, and add another chapter to their lives.

I mean, why do you think Rogue's personality is different now than from the last writer... Because Mike Carey is basing his love for her from his past knowledge of how she use to be written. How do you think Iceman is able to do all of these amazing things with his powers now... Because Mike Carey took the time to read past issues on what Iceman's abilities were, and exemplified them to a more frequently used level... Why do you think Mike Carey brought up the killing of Moira and Banshee's throat slashing during the Rogue/Mystique momment... Because Mike Carey is USING PAST ISSUES as a basis for his current work....

Again, small interactions in the past are not enough to bring about the kinds of things you're talking about. If you didn't want to talk about Mytique and Bobby being in a romantic relationship, then you never should have brought up flirting. Last I checked, flirting tended to lead to romantic stuff. And another thing, tell me any time when a writer or anyone else has brought up the word "relationship" and not meant it to be that two characters are going to start dating each other. If you wanted to be more clear, then you shouldn't have been so vague. I'm sorry, but saying that he's putting Bobby in a relationship but then backtracking and being "Oh, I never said WHAT KIND of relationship" is, again, grasping at straws. Never have I ever seen an author say something like that and not mean that the character in question would ended up dating someone.

You know, it's always the subtle things in comics that tend to be misleading. Otherwise we wouldn't be having forums like this to discuss the actions of writers. A few months ago when the #190 was posted (prior to it's release), everyone thought Iceman and Mystique were engaged in a romantic lip lock. Even I was caught up in that belief. And then when the issue came out, it turned out that she was just giving him mouth to mouth, to revive him... And that's my point. Things aren't always what they seem when a writer and artist hints at things. Mike Carey hints at things all the time, and although he may seem straight forward with his answers, there are also things that he leaves out, which can also be misinterpreted or lead to the imagination.

Kevin D. Comicboy

11-18-2006, 01:21 PM

I wouldn't like Bobby with Rogue. Something just wouldn't feel right about it. I do like it in ultimate, though.

04nbod

11-18-2006, 01:30 PM

how would you know until youve read it. i love it in all incarnations - i'm just a big ol' shipper. :woot:

Specter313

11-18-2006, 01:35 PM

If you're telling me that you've just started reading X-Men comics after seeing X-2, then we really shouldn't be having this conversation. But besides that, if you're that naive to think that characters are re-written each time a new writer takes over a book, then you're sadly mistaken. The basis for each writer is to take a part of that character's past, and add another chapter to their lives.

I mean, why do you think Rogue's personality is different now than from the last writer... Because Mike Carey is basing his love for her from his past knowledge of how she use to be written. How do you think Iceman is able to do all of these amazing things with his powers now... Because Mike Carey took the time to read past issues on what Iceman's abilities were, and exemplified them to a more frequently used level... Why do you think Mike Carey brought up the killing of Moira and Banshee's throat slashing during the Rogue/Mystique momment... Because Mike Carey is USING PAST ISSUES as a basis for his current work....

You know, it's always the subtle things in comics that tend to be misleading. Otherwise we wouldn't be having forums like this to discuss the actions of writers. A few months ago when the #190 was posted (prior to it's release), everyone thought Iceman and Mystique were engaged in a romantic lip lock. Even I was caught up in that belief. And then when the issue came out, it turned out that she was just giving him mouth to mouth, to revive him... And that's my point. Things aren't always what they seem when a writer and artist hints at things. Mike Carey hints at things all the time, and although he may seem straight forward with his answers, there are also things that he leaves out, which can also be misinterpreted or lead to the imagination.

Don't you DARE tell me what I should be talking about. Did you miss the part where I said I took the time to research what I did miss from the time I stopped reading? Obviously. Now who's the one who needs to read things more clearly? On that, I never said that they were re-written each time a new writer takes over. I said that they CAN change things around how they see fit to do it. I never said that it had to be something completely new.

And you do nothing but prove my point when you say, "I mean, why do you think Rogue's personality is different now than from the last writer". Fact is, Carey changed her. It doesn't seem like a big deal to people that I brought it up like this because people like this change, but it still remains that she was changed in how she was portrayed because Carey re-wrote her to some degree. Again, it doesn't matter what happened in the past, because what the writers do with them in the here and now is what matters, because some other writer can easily come along in the future and completely change it. So what if Carey throws in a reference or two like he did with Mystique slashing Banshee's throat? Big deal. All it proves is he knows the history, doesn't mean he'll be digging up the minor stuff you're suggesting to turn a friendship into a full-blown romance.

The cover to #190 was anything but subtle. Subtle would be them staring at each other in a way that could be just a friendly glance or something that could be full on lust. That cover was out of context, not subtle. And again, there's hints and then there's just a part of the conversation. You've yet to point out anything to me that is not just a huge speculation on your part that isn't just deriving something out of nothing.

Kevin D. Comicboy

11-18-2006, 02:02 PM

how would you know until youve read it. i love it in all incarnations - i'm just a big ol' shipper. :woot:oh, i'll give it a chance if it happens, I'm a fair guy. But i'm going in NOT liking it. Carey has to make me like it.

04nbod

11-18-2006, 04:40 PM

fair enough. what would get you to like it?

Kevin D. Comicboy

11-18-2006, 05:01 PM

ProfeZZor X

11-18-2006, 11:50 PM

Don't you DARE tell me what I should be talking about. Did you miss the part where I said I took the time to research what I did miss from the time I stopped reading? Obviously. Now who's the one who needs to read things more clearly? On that, I never said that they were re-written each time a new writer takes over. I said that they CAN change things around how they see fit to do it. I never said that it had to be something completely new.

And you do nothing but prove my point when you say, "I mean, why do you think Rogue's personality is different now than from the last writer". Fact is, Carey changed her. It doesn't seem like a big deal to people that I brought it up like this because people like this change, but it still remains that she was changed in how she was portrayed because Carey re-wrote her to some degree. Again, it doesn't matter what happened in the past, because what the writers do with them in the here and now is what matters, because some other writer can easily come along in the future and completely change it. So what if Carey throws in a reference or two like he did with Mystique slashing Banshee's throat? Big deal. All it proves is he knows the history, doesn't mean he'll be digging up the minor stuff you're suggesting to turn a friendship into a full-blown romance.

The cover to #190 was anything but subtle. Subtle would be them staring at each other in a way that could be just a friendly glance or something that could be full on lust. That cover was out of context, not subtle. And again, there's hints and then there's just a part of the conversation. You've yet to point out anything to me that is not just a huge speculation on your part that isn't just deriving something out of nothing.

You know, we're obviously not on the same wave length here. Everything I've been saying is being completely misinterpreted. So without wasting my breath trying to explain my point yet again, you can believe what you want, continue to collect your back issues to catch up to the events I've been explaining, and figure out how writers develop these characters yourself.

Snikt 6

11-19-2006, 02:24 AM

Him not turning it into a Gambit And Rogue "I love you, but I can't touch you, so I'll cheat on you, but you'll never know that i'm playing you, and you'll be stupid enough to stay with me, even though you and i both know you don't trust me. I'll turn my back on you, try to kill you, leave you, and then you'll wait for me anyway if and when i return." type of thing. if he doesn't do that, he's kool with me.

Memories....sweet, sweet memories. Good ol' Rogue and Gambit, I am so glad Gambit is grey and out of the X-Men, I don't know if I could take another story like the hundred that have been writen about them before.

04nbod

11-19-2006, 05:45 PM

i just want to see rogue happy for a change.

Snikt 6

11-19-2006, 05:52 PM

^That sure would be nice, wouldn't it? Here character has been tossed around and stuff for such a long time....it would be nice to see her happy. Maybe Carey is the answer, he obviously likes the character, we can only hope.

danielisthor

11-19-2006, 05:52 PM

i just want to see rogue happy for a change.

happiness is so over-rated. I'm just glad that she's getting a chance to shine without having Gambit shoved up her posterior. She can refocus on leading her team and keeping an eye on Mystique. And if anything else happens romantically with her that doesn't include Gambit, then so be it.

Snikt 6

11-19-2006, 05:56 PM

Please, oh please do not bring Gambit back.....Now besides Rogue, are there any other characters you guys (and gals) are looking forward to see grow in X-Men?

04nbod

11-19-2006, 06:49 PM

bobby- preferably with rogue:woot:
and mystique and her relationship with rogue:woot:

Kevin D. Comicboy

11-19-2006, 07:37 PM

Agreed about the Mystique thing.

Snikt 6

11-19-2006, 10:05 PM

Yeah, the tension is high between Rogue and Mystique. I think its gonna get ugly.
I wonder what Cable is going do, or why he is around. To me he just does not fit in, but maybe Carey has something really cool for him, I hope so, he needs it.

ProfeZZor X

11-20-2006, 10:32 AM

I managed to squeeze a little more information out of Mike, in regards to Iceman's powers in the upcoming #195 issue...

"Kenyatta - we’ve got another twist on Bobby’s powers coming up in #195, which hinges on the fact that ice is a crystal and that crystals have certain fixed properties.

No hints on the relationship, sorry. Things will start to drop into place in Condition Critical, and then get wrenched in a new direction in #200.

Comment by Mike Carey — November 20, 2006 @ 3:21 am"

Link: http://www.mikecarey.net/?p=134#comments

04nbod

11-20-2006, 12:27 PM

i just hope he doen't evaporate again.:( thats for the news prof x

ProfeZZor X

11-20-2006, 12:57 PM

i just hope he doen't evaporate again.:( thats for the news prof x

I think if he ever did evaporate again, it might be on his own terms. And I say that because he's much more aware of his abilities and weakness to attacks now (in Carey's run), that he can probably use it as an offensive tactic... Much like he did on Aurora in #190.

"we’ve got another twist on Bobby’s powers coming up in #195, which hinges on the fact that ice is a crystal and that crystals have certain fixed properties."... What that means I don't know, but I'm excited as hell to find out. I hope they show a glimpse of it when the previews come out in a couple of days for #193

Yeah, I tend to talk about Iceman too much sometimes... So my apologies guys. I guess things aren't happening fast enough for me with his character, since I've been waiting for a writer like Carey for years to come along and revamp all the bad things that have happened to Bobby. And I give Mike Carey much respect for even taking on the daunting task of redefining Iceman's powers, and character as a whole...So with that said, I'll leave it in good hands.

04nbod

11-20-2006, 02:59 PM

crystals hmmm- chemistry gcse- lattice structure, hard to melt, very strong, can form interesting compounds- not much help there

aaron

11-20-2006, 04:45 PM

ProfeZZor X

11-20-2006, 04:59 PM

crystals hmmm- chemistry gcse- lattice structure, hard to melt, very strong, can form interesting compounds- not much help there

Glad to see that Carey is taking on a more scientific approach to Bobby's powers... Because no one else has. And the fact that Bobby and Hank were really close friends back in the day, it would be nice to see more interaction between the two, and have Hank perform a more in-depth analysis on Iceman's crystaline structure... Who knows, maybe he can also talk some sense into Bobby to use his powers more. Or at least not be as fearful of them as he's always been over the years.

aaron

11-20-2006, 05:03 PM

Pro X... do you go back and forth posting the same things here and in the comicbookresources forum? :D

ProfeZZor X

11-20-2006, 06:03 PM

Pro X... do you go back and forth posting the same things here and in the comicbookresources forum? :D

Why yes..... Yes I do. (from time to time).

Hey, gotta cover my bases y'know.

aaron

11-20-2006, 06:25 PM

Lol... repition's amazing. ;)

ProfeZZor X

11-20-2006, 08:55 PM

Lol... repition's amazing. ;)

It is when you can answer the same or similar question(s)/replies from someone on two completely different forums.

Plus, there may be information elsehwere that you never knew of. So it's always good to broaden your horizons.

aaron

11-20-2006, 09:00 PM

It is when you can answer the same or similar question(s)/replies from someone on two completely different forums.

Plus, there may be information elsehwere that you never knew of. So it's always good to broaden your horizons.
mmhmm.

Kevin D. Comicboy

11-20-2006, 09:11 PM

So we all know that the current arc of x-men is still before civil war, right?

Feyd Rautha

11-20-2006, 11:05 PM

I'm happy Gambit's out of it for the moment... :( and I'm one of the biggest Gambit fans around here.

But he'll come back and be kick ass 'cos even though I have a feeling that Carey doesn't like the character, he's much more professional than recent previous writers. *coughMilligancough* I just can't stand the waiting though! It's gonna be somewhere 2007 though.

Carey doesn't dislike Gambit, he said he enjoys him when he's written well. Which is pretty much how I feel about 90% of the other X-Men. He also said he'd do everything he can to do him justice when he appears next year. That's more than I can say about most of the other writers that have handled him in the past 2-3 years.

Colossal Spoons

11-21-2006, 10:55 AM

So we all know that the current arc of x-men is still before civil war, right?

I guess. The core X-books are doing a good job remaining removed from CW.

Kevin D. Comicboy

11-21-2006, 11:22 AM

Yeah, only thing is that they are now in three different times. No biggie, though.

04nbod

11-21-2006, 11:44 AM

i have no care for civil war. i'm not even sure i understand it properly. im glad theyre are out of it for now. i'm going to have to read up on it in future to know what the hell is going on!

ProfeZZor X

11-21-2006, 04:26 PM

i have no care for civil war. i'm not even sure i understand it properly. im glad theyre are out of it for now. i'm going to have to read up on it in future to know what the hell is going on!

I have no concerns over Civil War myself, although I did manage to sneak in a peek of what happened in the last issue, I have to say that I am utterly impressed that Scott finally let loose with his optic blast. In fact, I have a smidgeon more respect for the character now, than I did before.

Seeing him glowing like a luminescent "Glob Herman" with his bones showing was very ingenius, and cool. Speaking of cool, Iceman still looked retarded wearing just leather pants without a shirt & shoes.

aaron

11-21-2006, 04:27 PM

I'm ignorning Civil War! F**k it!

ProfeZZor X

11-21-2006, 06:26 PM

I'm ignorning Civil War! F**k it!

You're really not missing anything. I started off trying to get into it, just so I could familiarize myself with the characters. But after having so many Civil War books floating around, trying to catch up on what who was doing, and how it affected this-that-and the other team, I said "F*** it" too.

aaron

11-21-2006, 06:57 PM

I got like the first two and didn't like them at all, so I don't care.

dellicious

11-21-2006, 07:38 PM

xmen is my favorite book right now

the writing is intense, fresh and the art is amazing

make carey has a gift for characterization and bachalo has such an energetic style

aaron

11-21-2006, 07:48 PM

Mmhmm... I hope they're the permanent team forever 'n ever!

Snikt 6

11-21-2006, 08:33 PM

usagicassidy

11-22-2006, 01:42 AM

It almost seems like most X-Men fans have stayed away from Civil War, while most fans of other heroes have been collecting it. Maybe because for Spiderman or Captain America, etc, it's unavoiadable, but for X-fans, not a single X-issue is a Civil War issue (besides the unnecessary CW X-Men).

Colossal Spoons

11-22-2006, 02:02 AM

^I'm primarily an X-fan and I'm loving Civil War. I think it'd be nonsensical to avoid it. :up:

Kevin D. Comicboy

11-22-2006, 02:32 AM

Civil War is the hotness.

usagicassidy

11-22-2006, 02:55 AM

I, too, am loving the Civil War-ness. But it does seem a little excessive...so the titles that I don't know 100% if I should get them (so basically everything that's not the 7-issue series), I wait for IGN's reviews and usually go off of that.

Snikt 6

11-22-2006, 08:02 AM

Collecting all stuff X it just seems that there are so many titles that come out each month I am kinda satisified with the stuff I get, so there is no need to look to Avengers, Spider-Man or stuff like Civil War.

aahhnold

11-22-2006, 09:51 AM

Brainiac 8

11-22-2006, 09:59 AM

You know, Civil War is just.....blah. X-Men Civil War was very disapointing and I only got the first two of the mini series of Civil War. I think its a good concept (which they got from Mutant Registration), but the follow through was really really weak. I am also glad the X-Men didnt get involved to much, and the Wolverine: Civil War arc was so lame, man, I can't believe I wasted time reading it.

The X-Men Civil War was ok. It involved the original team, except Jean. It was more positive by the end than most of CW has been. Plus it ended with the O*N*E being disbanded for the most part. They are not going to bother the X-Men any longer, which I was waiting for with bated breath, since I hated that story.

squeekness

11-22-2006, 10:36 AM

Hey everybody. I just have a question that I'd love for someone to answer for me. I just bought House of M (which was great btw) and i'm just wondering when/where it takes place? I have all of the TPDs of New X-men and the first 2 of Astonishing X-men. Does House of M take place between New and Astonishing? or during Astonishing? or am i just waaay off? Srry if this isn't the right place to post this but any help would be great :)House of M preceeds Astonishing and all the Civil war stuff that's going on right now as far as I know. I think House of M occurs partway through the New X-men run, there are issues that have the House of M tag on them to let you know. :)

ProfeZZor X

11-22-2006, 11:26 AM

I got like the first two and didn't like them at all, so I don't care.

Just before I went on a vacation in Philippines, I picked up the first two copies of it. They were all I had, plus the "X-Men: Children of the Atom" graphic novel the entire time, so I had no choice to read them over and over again. Still, they were just as much boring then as the story is now. Although I kind of liked the concept in the first issue. Outside of that it got boring really fast.

By the way, does anyone know when the sneak previews for next week come out? ...More inportantly, the preview for #193.

Specter313

11-23-2006, 01:18 AM

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0611/22/xmen193c.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0611/22/xmen1931.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0611/22/xmen1932.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0611/22/xmen1933.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0611/22/xmen1934.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0611/22/xmen1935.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0611/22/xmen1936.jpg

X-Men #193 will arrive in stores on Nov. 29 from Marvel Comics. The issue is written by Mike Carey, with art and cover by Chris Bachalo.

Here's how Marvel describes the issue:

"'Superanovas,' part 6 of 6. It¹s fight night! The X-Men battle it out with their mysterious new foes, The Children, right above the Xavier Institute! And when the dust clears, what decision does Rogue make that will shake the X-Men to their core?"

X-Men #193 will be 32 pages and will cost $2.99.

usagicassidy

11-23-2006, 02:24 AM

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I'm so excited for this! A+ for the first 6 pages at least!

ProfeZZor X

11-23-2006, 02:31 AM

I wonder who that is standing next to Sabertooth with the black bandana, and black sleeveless shirt, on the left... Anyone?

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0611/22/xmen1934.jpg

Roughneck

11-23-2006, 03:09 AM

I cannot Stomache Bachallo's art...I'm sorry.

Kevin D. Comicboy

11-23-2006, 04:16 AM

"I can't take it!! peanut-butter, jelly! peanut-butter, jelly!!"

@JeanGrey

11-23-2006, 05:00 AM

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0611/22/xmen1934.jpg

"Ah'm giving you one last chance to surrender, sugah. After that it could get ugly."

Oh i so love carey for writing Rogue like that!!!!
Can't wait to read it! Just wondering when it arrives in Greece....:huh:

Nepenthes

11-23-2006, 07:36 AM

^I'm primarily an X-fan and I'm loving Civil War. I think it'd be nonsensical to avoid it. :up:

Civil War is the new Marvel Universe so yeah Spoons' is right.

Bachalo's art just gets better and better. Otherwise been away from X-books for a while...and hmm seems nothings changed. Teams and bad guys come and go, lame threats and scenarios stay the same same.

The Cajun

11-23-2006, 09:31 AM

Okay, so how are the Nano-Sentinels meant to actually control Sabertooth?

chris moore

11-23-2006, 09:45 AM

More to the point, why are they routing around in Beast cell sample catalogue for Nano sentinels that they dont even really have a means of controlling themselves when they have Forge in the mansion nowadays?! The core books should have the team roster, maybe Cyke or Emma popping up, but thats it. Not Beast doing all the tech speak, not Colossus doing all the restraining, not Storm doing all the civil speeches to wayward members. If they're gonna have non-roster X-Men sticking their faces in to serve a purpose, then have it be those who arent accounted for on a team; like Archangel, Husk or Forge.

Colossal Spoons

11-23-2006, 10:11 AM

Haha, never seen a Fastball Special fail like that.

matt50

11-23-2006, 10:16 AM

I cannot Stomache Bachallo's art...I'm sorry.

lol i'm with you on that....i remember when i first saw his art in the generation X series back in the 90s and i couldn't stand him....now to see him on a bigger x-title this long hurts too :(

Harlekin

11-23-2006, 11:08 AM

I wonder who that is standing next to Sabertooth with the black bandana, and black sleeveless shirt, on the left... Anyone?
Wouldn't that be Cannonball? He's wearing goggles by the way, not a bandana.

Is it me or doesn't this kind of ruin the Astonishing X-Men - Unstoppable ending? This would mean at least Cycke, Emma, Beast, Colossus and Wolverine survive.

ProfeZZor X

11-23-2006, 11:18 AM

Wouldn't that be Cannonball? He's wearing goggles by the way, not a bandana.

Is it me or doesn't this kind of ruin the Astonishing X-Men - Unstoppable ending? This would mean at least Cycke, Emma, Beast, Colossus and Wolverine survive.

No, Cannonball is standing next to Rogue and Mystique, on the other side of the deck. ...If that's Iceman (next to Sabertooth), he sure did reconstitute himself and change clothes quickly. (bad continuity Carey/Bachelo :cmad: )

Did you honestly think Marvel would allow any of the Astonishing team to perrish?

aaron

11-23-2006, 11:38 AM

God, I love Bachalo's art.

mightiest_mortal

11-23-2006, 11:39 AM

Did you honestly think Marvel would allow any of the Astonishing team to perrish?
LoL.. id laugh so much if Carey just killed the entire Astonishing team off panel, not even in their own comic lol.

Also, I dont mind so much that they keep visiting everyone in the mansion. At the end of the day, the X-Men at the mansion are at the mansion. If the Adj X-Men team had to bring in their own doctor instead of McCoy it would be kinda redundant.

Likewise, they have Emma there, so if ever they need a telepath it makes sense that they just give her a call.

ghost113

11-23-2006, 11:39 AM

Is this sarcasm or do yoou really like his art.

aaron

11-23-2006, 11:42 AM

No, I actually do... I love that he has his own unique, intricate style... much prefer it to most of the artist's who don't have any individual flare that sets them apart.

Kevin D. Comicboy

11-23-2006, 11:46 AM

I will say this one time: Civil war hasn't even started for "X-men" the astonishing arc is AFTER civil war. Nothing was given away.

mmx915

11-23-2006, 11:48 AM

"I can't take it!! peanut-butter, jelly! peanut-butter, jelly!!"

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j161/mikedsm/pbjt.gif

Kevin D. Comicboy

11-23-2006, 11:56 AM

lol. I was watching that episode, and all of a sudden... :wow: It was a total "WTF" moment for me.:woot:

aaron

11-23-2006, 11:57 AM

Lol... I loved that bit!

Harlekin

11-23-2006, 12:54 PM

Ah, I thought the blonde guy next to Sam was Sabes.

Anyway, I got my continuity mixed up anyway, as Astonishing would indeed happen after this arc, not before or during it.

04nbod

11-23-2006, 01:20 PM

i hate that cover- its too busy and its hard to pick out the characters

Mother_Askani

11-23-2006, 01:55 PM

X-Men 193 looks amazing. I love the way Carey is writing Rogue.

aaron

11-23-2006, 02:15 PM

Mmhmm... me too.

Can't wait to see how he writes Remy.

danielisthor

11-23-2006, 06:09 PM

Mmhmm... me too.

Can't wait to see how he writes Remy.

Hopefully he writes him into a nasty death. Maybe a surviving Morlock kills him.
That would be nice justice

Editor note : I've finally reached the 3000 post milestone. Congrats to me.

Kevin D. Comicboy

11-23-2006, 06:11 PM

:wow:

Specter313

11-24-2006, 12:02 AM

Wouldn't that be Cannonball? He's wearing goggles by the way, not a bandana.

Is it me or doesn't this kind of ruin the Astonishing X-Men - Unstoppable ending? This would mean at least Cycke, Emma, Beast, Colossus and Wolverine survive.

It's clear that he's just another one of the Children. I think there was someone on the splash page of 192 in a similar outfit.

And Astonishing takes place well after Civil War. This is taking place either during or just after CW, so there's nothing spoiling Astonishing in any of the other X-books.

aaron

11-24-2006, 10:55 AM

Hopefully he writes him into a nasty death. Maybe a surviving Morlock kills him.
That would be nice justice

Editor note : I've finally reached the 3000 post milestone. Congrats to me.That is uncalled for! Maybe you should die a horrible death?

Brainiac 8

11-24-2006, 10:58 AM

Generation Lee

11-24-2006, 11:32 AM

Loved the Jersey Line that was priceless. Roll on next week and well done Mr. Carey we have found a balance of good comic stories that can also have a bit of soap drama in them.

ProfeZZor X

11-24-2006, 02:40 PM

That is uncalled for! Maybe you should die a horrible death?

An eye for an eye huh?

I'm not a big Gambit fan either, but I think I'd have a hard time continuing on reading Carey's book if he put Gambit on the team. I'm sick and tired of that love/hate relationship he and Rogue shared over the years... And it would be a blessing in disguise if either of them moved on to start seeing other people... That's what realistic relationships are all about. Even if these are fictional characters.

aaron

11-24-2006, 02:46 PM

Trust me... Carey seems to have the ability to make people actually like characters they usualy dislike or even despise, and I know this is going to be the case with Gambit... I am so excited to see how Mike deals with every aspect of the character, even down to the little things such as dialogue, and from what I remember, Bachalo draws a pretty nice Remy, and it'll be an updated look, I honestly can't wait... but for those who don't want him returning, don't worry, it won't be any time soon, I'd say you've got around another 6-9 Gambit-less months.

And yes... an eye for an eye. :D

danielisthor

11-24-2006, 03:37 PM

That is uncalled for! Maybe you should die a horrible death?

After you tovarich.:word:

aaron

11-24-2006, 03:38 PM

After you tovarich.:word:
I exercise, eat healthily, have no past family with heart problems, I don't drink or smoke or do drugs...

I'm living til I'm 118.

danielisthor

11-24-2006, 04:02 PM

I exercise, eat healthily, have no past family with heart problems, I don't drink or smoke or do drugs...

I'm living til I'm 118.

Good luck with that. The gods work in mysterious ways. You very well could live that long or get hit by a half blind grandmother crossing the street. :woot:

aaron

11-24-2006, 04:03 PM

Hehe... so true. Actually, my grandad's half death... I'm sure there's some method he could end up killing me by, I'll have to think about that one.

mightiest_mortal

11-24-2006, 05:30 PM

Hehe... so true. Actually, my grandad's half death... I'm sure there's some method he could end up killing me by, I'll have to think about that one.
Hes half Death? im sure theres many ways he can kill u then.

aaron

11-24-2006, 05:43 PM

Mmhmm... still thinking though.

Snikt 6

11-25-2006, 01:16 AM

X-Men 193 looks amazing. I love the way Carey is writing Rogue.

I agree, now why is everyone hating on Chris Bachalo? His art is amazing. I can't think of anyone that has drawn Rogue so perfect. I know it is kind of cartoony and stuff, but man, it looks great.

ProfeZZor X

11-25-2006, 02:23 AM

I tried getting in a sneak peak at the advanced copy they have at my local store, but they've banned people from opening them now... Guess someone was giving out too many spoilers before it came out.

... Guilty as charged. Actually, I didn't ask why they stopped, but I'll find out soon enough. Dammit, there went my ace in the hole.

Snikt 6

11-25-2006, 10:32 AM

Hopefully he writes him into a nasty death. Maybe a surviving Morlock kills him.
That would be nice justice

Ha, good stuff! He should write Remy into the New X-Men as their teacher and have him have a terrible accident in the Danger Room. I am sure Kyle and Yost wouldn't have a problem taking another X-person out.

danielisthor

11-25-2006, 11:02 AM

Ha, good stuff! He should write Remy into the New X-Men as their teacher and have him have a terrible accident in the Danger Room. I am sure Kyle and Yost wouldn't have a problem taking another X-person out.

No, wouldn't work, Kyle and Yost only like killing children and racist christian ministers

Snikt 6

11-25-2006, 11:04 AM

No, wouldn't work, Kyle and Yost only like killing children and racist christian ministers

Oh, my bad. Forgot about that. What if we threw Jubilee in there.....

aaron

11-25-2006, 12:15 PM

I agree, now why is everyone hating on Chris Bachalo? His art is amazing. I can't think of anyone that has drawn Rogue so perfect. I know it is kind of cartoony and stuff, but man, it looks great.
Right with you there bud.

Kevin D. Comicboy

11-25-2006, 12:26 PM

His art is something you have to get use to.

aaron

11-25-2006, 12:39 PM

I'll agree, but it's different, and unique... and that's what I warm to.

danielisthor

11-25-2006, 03:15 PM

I like Chris's work, ever since he was doing Gen X.