Official X-MEN: LEGACY Discussion Thread

[aaron]

At least we agree on the artist, Gambit-hater. ;)

[Snikt 6]

Besides Cassaday, Chris has GOT to be the best X-artist right now. His flow is so cool looking and I really like his unique style.

[aaron]

Chris is in my top five artists of all time.

[Snikt 6]

^ Wow, top 5 ever huh? Well my top five (in no real order): Cassaday, Kubert, Byrne, Alan Davis & Yeah, put Chris in my top 5. His work on Gen X really was awesome and he has been around awhile.

[aaron]

Mmhmm... Bachalo and Jim Lee are the only definites on my top 5.

[Snikt 6]

Lee was awesome, but I kinda got tired of his stuff after a while......

[aaron]

And I was starting to like you! Hehe. :(

[Snikt 6]

You gotta admit Jim Lee/Mcfarlane/Liefield were really overplayed. I think he is an amazing artist, and I really love the X-Men issues he did, but after awhile of him doing DC & Wildcats.....he just got watered down. Today we have so many diffrent X-titles that we get to see so many good artists (Chris) and a few bad ones (the dude on Wolverine).

[aaron]

It's okay, I understand... I liked Stuart Immonen on Ultimate X-Men.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Mcfarlane = Best Amazing Spider-man artist ever.
Byrne = Best "anytypeof" X-men artist ever.:up:

[mightiest_mortal]

Chris work im still not convinced on. There are some panels that look brilliant, but some i have no idea whats going on at all. IT can get a bit muddled and confusing looking at times.

I still think his work looks a lot better in Digital format than paper format for some reason.


(+my top5... Lee, MAD, Larocca, Silvestri, Kubert. I loved Churchills designs and work aswell, but he buggerd off after 3 issues of uncanny.. and in the middle of his first Arc, which i think is frankly unproffesional and lame also.)

[aaron]

Yeah, sometimes I'm like WTF?! in panels.

[ghost113]

I wonder what bachalo's work would look like with a different colorists?

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Yeah, I blame the colorist(s). it just looks so muddled sometimes.

[ghost113]

they should get a different artist besides clayton henry.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Wait, he fills in for both titles? god i'm slow.

[aaron]

I didn't know that either, we're both slow then. :(

[ghost113]

i have to catch up with some issues I have to check how many.

[aaron]

But in my defense I only read X-Men, although I'm considering picking up Astonishing.

[mightiest_mortal]

But in my defense I only read X-Men, although I'm considering picking up Astonishing.
Pick up X-Factor.. tis better than even Astonishing

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

I don't know how i didn't notice before

[aaron]

Pick up X-Factor.. tis better than even Astonishing
I'm not sure... too indecisive. :(

[squeekness]

I'm not sure... too indecisive. :(Don't be. He's right. It's one of the best books out there right now. :)

[aaron]

Okay, I'll check out the latest issue, maybe pick up a few back issues... if I like it, I'll take it on.

[Snikt 6]

Pick up X-Factor.. tis better than even Astonishing

Ummmm.....nope. Astonishing is just outstanding. Now it has its flaws (delays, delays and delays) but other than that it is just a great read. Joss and Cassaday are a great team and if you want a really fun read and want to just sit back and read a great story....Astonishing is where you should go.

BTW Larocca is simplya amazing also. Wish we could get him to fill in instead of Henry....

[aaron]

I think Larroca's gone downhill.

[Snikt 6]

I think Larroca's gone downhill.

Wha....why? He still does great work. His work on Extreme was amazing, and he is just incredible.

[aaron]

Yeah... I liked his Xtreme stuff, but... man, did you see his work on the second Ultimate X-Men annual? Amazing...ly bad.

[Snikt 6]

Yeah... I liked his Xtreme stuff, but... man, did you see his work on the second Ultimate X-Men annual? Amazing...ly bad.

Now you see you got me....because I steer clear of all things Ultimate. So to honestly answer your question, hope havent seen it. Its that bad though?

[aaron]

Mmhmm... just really plain and basic, doesn't look like he put much effort into it at all.

[Snikt 6]

Kinda crazy how someone can be so talented...and not even try. I mean, they get paid cash money for this stuff right? I guess after years and years of doing this it might start to get stale....but still, they do get paid. Well, I will stick to my guns and still hope that Larocca would make an outstanding artist on the X-books again, even if it is to fill in for the current guys.

[aaron]

I just hope Bachalo is on this book for as long as possible, I know he said he wants to pencil for it until they kick him off, so he's happy doing it... same goes for Mike Carey, I love the guy and what he's done, especially to Rogue... and he and Chris' styles mesh so, so well.

[Snikt 6]

I know, which really suprised me. I loved Bachalo from back in the day, but I had no idea it would be this good. Astonishing is still my #1, but X-Men has really moved past all others X books for me. I love it and I actually look forward to the Wednesday's it comes out. I really wish they didn't have to use a fill in artist though, kind of a let down from the stuff I am used to. I love the team and the staff....just a great read.

[aaron]

I'm not looking forward to Ramos' fill-in. :(

[Snikt 6]

Oh my goodness gracious.....don't remind me. He is the guy who draw's Wolverine right now, right? Ugh. I really really really hope he doesnt last long as the fill in guy. What a bad choice. I really dont want to see Rogue with a neck as long as her forearm.

[aaron]

I'm not sure, don't read Wolverine... been fed up with the character since The Last Stand.

He's pencilling 195-98 if I remember correctly, so 3 months of hell. :(

[Snikt 6]

If you have not seen the latest Wolvie issues....don't. Do your self a favor and smell some roses or something. 3 issues huh? Just glad Chris will be back in time for issue 200.

Now why in the world are you fed up with comic Wolvie just because X3? Wolvies a great character, and if you pick up the lastest Astonishing stuff I think you will get a kick out of it.

[aaron]

Because he's at the front and centre of everything... Logan taking Scott's place in the Phoenix Saga in The Last Stand was the last straw... I'm fed up with him.

[Snikt 6]

Now, he can't help it if Scott goes off and gets himself vaporized, now can he? I see why people could get fed up with Logan, but I just think its cool how his character can just....well take over. Now THAT is a great character.

I like the fact that Carey is getting Wolverine in the pages of X-Men also, good stuff.

[aaron]

Well of course Scott couldn't be there since he was supposedly vaporised, hehe... but my point is, the screenwriters were told Wolverine had to be the lead yet again... and because of this, they couldn't be faithful to the comics at all, giving Wolvie Scott's place in the Phoenix Saga.

[Snikt 6]

Yeah, I can see why people (or at least the fans that know what in the world should be going on) could be upset, but don't take it out on good ol Logan. Im tellin you, pick up Astonishing and you wont put it down.

[aaron]

I know I wouldn't, hehe... I really like Whedon's style.

[Snikt 6]

At first it was frustrating (never really got into Buffy) but man, once I got used to his style it has been great. That is what happend with Carey also, never really read his stuff, but now he has just rocked on X-Men.

[aaron]

Well I love Whedon's wit... I do actually have 1-3... the Cure storyline.

[Snikt 6]

So all you read is X-Men? How do you pull that off? I kinda get wrapped up in almost all the X-titles.

[aaron]

Because I like minimalism, I stick to X-Men, Daredevil and Moon Knight.

[Snikt 6]

You just like only those characters or is it the writers that you like? I am just an X-Men fan, so I kinda like reading most of the titles. Did you choose to read X-Men becuse of the lineup or Carey?

[aaron]

I read X-Men before Carey... started reading it 'cos it was the title Gambit was in, and I've kept faithful to it... and I like the characters of Daredevil and Moon Knight, plus David Finch is drawing Moon Knight, and I love him too.

[Specter313]

I despise Bachalo's art. There's only been one issue that I liked since he started on this book, and not even the entire book because he can't even stick to one inker. All his faces, especially the women, look the same, many of his body parts look out of proportion(look at some of his men, they look like they have absolutely no waists), he can never seem to draw a joint correctly 'cause his elbows especially suck, it can be ridiculously hard to try and figure out what the hell is going on in most of his action scenes, and he constantly throws in completely uneccessary crap that is not needed and only serves to crowd up the panels making it even harder to distinguish what is going on. That is not the mark of a good artist to me, especially when I have to sit there an extra 10 minutes just trying to figure it out. It ruins the stories for me because I have to step out of them and go analytical instead of just enjoying them. Ramos is worse, but not by much.

And with Larocca, yeah, his stuff suffered on some of his last issues of X-Men, but he seemed to be in an experimental period, since it seemed to change issue to issue, but his new stuff coming up for Newuniversal looks great.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248660

[Snikt 6]

Carey really is awesome. Looking at his website he really has impressed me on how much he actually cares about his line of work. Really down to earth and really fun to read. Still not 100% about bringing Sabertooth and Mystique into the fold, but I suppose I am not suppose to be. With this team, or at least this line-up I think Forge would make an awesome behind the scenes character.

[aaron]

I despise Bachalo's art. There's only been one issue that I liked since he started on this book, and not even the entire book because he can't even stick to one inker. All his faces, especially the women, look the same, many of his body parts look out of proportion(look at some of his men, they look like they have absolutely no waists), he can never seem to draw a joint correctly 'cause his elbows especially suck, it can be ridiculously hard to try and figure out what the hell is going on in most of his action scenes, and he constantly throws in completely uneccessary crap that is not needed and only serves to crowd up the panels making it even harder to distinguish what is going on. That is not the mark of a good artist to me, especially when I have to sit there an extra 10 minutes just trying to figure it out. It ruins the stories for me because I have to step out of them and go analytical instead of just enjoying them. Ramos is worse, but not by much.

And with Larocca, yeah, his stuff suffered on some of his last issues of X-Men, but he seemed to be in an experimental period, since it seemed to change issue to issue, but his new stuff coming up for Newuniversal looks great.I don't care what you say. :)

Nah, I agree on the proportion arguement, that could be improved... and I think the multiple inkers was due to time restraints.

[aaron]

And I like having to look at the panel, trying to figure out what's going on, 'cos in the process you might find things you realised weren't present if you didn't look and process the visual with such detail.

[Snikt 6]

I despise Bachalo's art. Ramos is worse, but not by much.

And with Larocca, yeah, his stuff suffered on some of his last issues of X-Men, but he seemed to be in an experimental period, since it seemed to change issue to issue, but his new stuff coming up for Newuniversal looks great.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248660

To bad you don't like Bachalo's stuff, hopefully someday you will enjoy it. Ramos is so much worse though, not even in the same zip code.

Good link, thanks. Larocca is awesome, hope he comes back to the X-teams someday.

[Snikt 6]

And I like having to look at the panel, trying to figure out what's going on, 'cos in the process you might find things you realised weren't present if you didn't look and process the visual with such detail.

Same here. I don't mind having to check the art out also. I dont have trouble seeing what he is trying to draw, but I have heard this complaint about his stuff alot. I love it though, but then again I have always liked his work.

[Specter313]

And I like having to look at the panel, trying to figure out what's going on, 'cos in the process you might find things you realised weren't present if you didn't look and process the visual with such detail.

Normally, I go back anyway. I like to go through and enjoy the story first, and then go back and see if there's any little stuff that I didn't pick up on before. With Bachalo, I have trouble just getting the basics down because he throws too much crap in that is completely unneeded, that it overpowers what is needed and then I don't want to go back and sift through the crap.

[aaron]

Same here. I don't mind having to check the art out also. I dont have trouble seeing what he is trying to draw, but I have heard this complaint about his stuff alot. I love it though, but then again I have always liked his work.
When it comes to people liking Bachalo, it's 50/50 and always will be. Just depends what you personally like.

[aaron]

Normally, I go back anyway. I like to go through and enjoy the story first, and then go back and see if there's any little stuff that I didn't pick up on before. With Bachalo, I have trouble just getting the basics down because he throws too much crap in that is completely unneeded, that it overpowers what is needed and then I don't want to go back and sift through the crap.
Too much crap? :(

[Snikt 6]

When it comes to people liking Bachalo, it's 50/50 and always will be. Just depends what you personally like.

Yep, sometimes we must agree to disagree. Well, I am one of the 50% that favors good ol Bachalo, plus its really fun to say.

[aaron]

It's really fun to say Bachalo? Lol.

[Snikt 6]

^ Yeah, have you tried it? Kinda fun to spell to. Bachalo. Good stuff.

[aaron]

Yeah... ummm, okay. Didn't know they had computers at the asylum. ;)

[Snikt 6]

Only on weekends.

Has Carey said the length of his stay will be on X-Men?

[aaron]

He said as long as they let him keep doing it.

[Snikt 6]

Sweet, then I hope its a very, very, very long time.

[aaron]

I'd say at least a couple of years... I know he has the next 12 issues set out, so at least a year.

[Snikt 6]

That is awesome. You gotta check out the new poll: do you like or dislike Bachalo's art thread. You got my back right?

[aaron]

Hehe, of course.

[Snikt 6]

With Bachalo, I have trouble just getting the basics down because he throws too much crap in that is completely unneeded, that it overpowers what is needed and then I don't want to go back and sift through the crap.

You really don't like him do you? Be honest now, don't hold back, tell us how you feel.

Who would you rather have as the artist on X-Men. Bachalo is my choice.

[ProfeZZor X]

A friend of mine posted spoilers for #193 on another site... Read on if you dare (For those in need of a link, you'll find out the truth on Wednesday):

Fans of The Children: There are a whole lot more than we thought... Also, start planning a memorial service. Namely for Sangre, Fuego, Ajuga, and (this will break a lot of people's hearts) Serafina. Perro got out of the melee alive. Let me go into the finer details of each kill. Oh yea, and small warning, people who are uncomfortable with some of the X-men showing brutal or ruthless behavior will not be pleased. You'd probably be surprised by who it comes from though. (Although I guess it's understandable in some ways.)

Ajuga: got taken out by... ahem... as Lady Mastermind would put it "friendly fire". She cast an illusion to get Ajuga into position, then cast another illusion that made Fuego think that Cable and Lady M were in her place. The poor perky bubble-blowing blonde gets fried.

Rogue: was dueling with Fuego, until Bobby comes in and puts out his lights, while Fuego exclaims that it isn't possible, he killed him, and Bobby remarks that he's returning the favor. Steam and a pillar of ice.

Serafina: has her fun with Karima by making her shoot at Mystique, until Sabretooth comes up and tells her something along the lines of, "there's something special in killing women". Serafina informs him of the nanosentinels in his blood, manipulates them, then retorts with "there's something special in killing misogynists", before Sam comes in. He calls her Sarah, asks why she's doing this, they've spent 20 years of their lives together, and he loves her/they love each other. She tells him that her name is Serafina, they've only spent 20 minutes of their lives together, it wasn't real, and she made him fall in love with her. He responds with, that's all he needed to hear, before he rockets off with her, zinging around the deck, before slamming her hard into the floor.

Sangre: He retreats to the captain's quarters and prepares to make the ship ram the Institute in a final kamikaze-style manuever, when "Serafina" comes in and asks why he has run away, before she pulls out a gun and shoots him. As you might have guessed, it's Mystique. Sangre says that they should know by now that bullets don't do anything to him, but surprise, surprise, someone's done their homework (maybe Forge?), and they're thermite bullets, that have the nice little side effect of turning water into hydrogen before they detonate. And boy do they detonate! Mystique breaks the window and leaps out, she looks like she's got nowhere to go but down, until Bobby ice-slides in to sweep her off her feet.

Cable: Well, while Mystique was off pretending to be him, he went and blew up the suncatcher dish, as seen in the preview. That's basically all you see of him.

Is that the last we've seen of The Children?: The answer is no. Remember Cadena from the Agent M article from the Marvel site? AKA goldfishbowl head? Well now she's the new big baddie leader head honcho thingamabobber, of a race of 3000 people. Yea, 3000 people who are really pissed that their vanguards got taken out by a group of rag-tag vigilantes currently flying under the colors of the X-men. All the corpses below deck? Animals that have been gene-altered to be given human shape, to mislead the X-men to thinking that their species is now extinct. I think it's safe to say that Rogue and her little group have a lot of work ahead of them. Too bad they've got the small matter of a man named Pandemic to handle first in the next arc.

And people who have been waiting for Sabretooth to stab someone in the back: he tells Sam as he puts his arm around him, thanks for coming to his rescue, but the next time he turns his back on him, he's dead. I guess he's not very happy about the nano-sentinels, huh?

[aaron]

I couldn't resist... :(

God, I'm loving Sabretooth in the team.

[danielisthor]

Damn, just by going on the spoilers alone I'm prepared to annoit Carey King of all that is X

[aaron]

I know... I heart Carey! :)

[Xplicit Content]

I really liked Serafina. I would've liked to have seen her make it out of this arc alive.

[ProfeZZor X]

I guess there had to be some casualties in this arc. After all, the Children were out for blood since the beginning.

[Valechan]

Damn I can't wait to read it ... bummer part is I probably won't till late next month :'( I hate my country :'(

[danielisthor]

Damn I can't wait to read it ... bummer part is I probably won't till late next month :'( I hate my country :'(


I love the women in your country.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

what country is he from?

[Valechan]

argentina, like we like to call it "the butt of the world" (El culo del Mundo)

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

...I love the men in your country.:woot:

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm glad very one of those bastards died. I'm not a big fan of villains surviving but I do love to see the X-Men kill a person or two! :D

[danielisthor]

argentina, like we like to call it "the butt of the world" (El culo del Mundo)


Well, i live in Florida, the penis of America.

[danielisthor]

I'm glad very one of those bastards died. I'm not a big fan of villains surviving but I do love to see the X-Men kill a person or two! :D


Makes you wonder if Rogue and her team gets the outdated X-Mendon't kill speech.

[Colossal Spoons]

With the Professor not so much "in charge"; that motto should change.

[ProfeZZor X]

I'm glad very one of those bastards died. I'm not a big fan of villains surviving but I do love to see the X-Men kill a person or two! :D

Yeah but if that was the case...


Writers would have tot find a way to resurrect a villain everytime they want to do "The menacing return of....". I can understand banishment to another dimension, or something along that line, (and yeah, I know it's cliche'd) but only in some circumstances should it be absolutely necessary for the X-Men to kill villains. I mean, look at all the other storylines we would have missed out on if the X-Men had killed Magneto on their first mission.

[Valechan]

...I love the men in your country.:woot:

Me too :D

And about the rest... I guess that's the reason why they're gonna move out of the mansion and be more "outlaw" than the regular X-Men, which is what Carey said they would do. I find it refreshing and interesting... though it does sound too much like the concept for the original X-Force...

[danielisthor]

Me too :D

And about the rest... I guess that's the reason why they're gonna move out of the mansion and be more "outlaw" than the regular X-Men, which is what Carey said they would do. I find it refreshing and interesting... though it does sound too much like the concept for the original X-Force...


Or the Uncanny team during the Silvestri years

[Rogue's Hand]

Hey I wanted to know if any of you guys have subscribed to X-Men and if so, have you recieved # 193? I usually get my issues on the 24th and I haven't gotten this one. Anyone else experience delays in issue delivery?:huh:

[ProfeZZor X]

Me too :D

And about the rest... I guess that's the reason why they're gonna move out of the mansion and be more "outlaw" than the regular X-Men, which is what Carey said they would do. I find it refreshing and interesting... though it does sound too much like the concept for the original X-Force...

In a way the concept does seem like the original X-Force, but without the whole cover up thing. And I like the fact that this team has to make the kind of "sacrafices" Colossal Spoons mentioned, in order to get the job done. After all, if the threat is on a global scale, why shouldn't they do whatever it takes to insure the safety of the population...

Wow.... One more day until #193 comes out!!! I can't wait.

Actually, I can't wait until issue #195. So I can see what Carey is talking about with his "ice crystals" theory. But enough about Iceman...

I was expecting Cable to be used more in this story. Especially with all the hype of him joining the team. I guess he does have a pivotal role in all of this, but I guess I shouldn't complain, since I never really liked the character anyway.

I'm also glad to see the darker side of Sabertooth, than in previous books. Although I'd really like to know more about his misogynist mentality, and need to kill anything that breathes. How he and Mystique got together is anothre mystery I'd like to find out. Guess it should be interesting when he sees Iceman moving in on her... That is, if Sabertooth leaves the team before they actually get together.

I'll also be glad when "Robo-chick" and "Mastermind Girl" take a hike. For some reason, they really feel out of place on the team. Mike really needs to bring back some of the reserve X-Men that have been out of circulation for a while, and make them a permanent part of the team.

[Snikt 6]

In a way the concept does seem like the original X-Force, but without the whole cover up thing.

I was expecting Cable to be used more in this story. Especially with all the hype of him joining the team. I guess he does have a pivotal role in all of this, but I guess I shouldn't complain, since I never really liked the character anyway.

I'll also be glad when "Robo-chick" and "Mastermind Girl" take a hike. For some reason, they really feel out of place on the team. Mike really needs to bring back some of the reserve X-Men that have been out of circulation for a while, and make them a permanent part of the team.

Yeah, its got that X-Force feel...at least they are not on a road trip....
I am excited to see where Carey will take this team. The "Outlaw" tag is all good, but do Iceman and Cannonball really belong on that type of team....

I really don't think Cable belongs on this team, just seems out of place to me. Maybe behind the scene's in the Mansion or something.

I kind of like what I have seen of Lady Mastermind, I wouldnt mind her sticking around. There are so many characters that could shine in this book, and with Carey's writing any character could start to look good.

[aaron]

I wonder who the romance Rogue is gonna have will be.

[Snikt 6]

^Gotta be Bobby, right? I mean, who else makes sense?

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Sam?

[aaron]

I was thinking Sam... all I know is it's gonna be a very short thing... and that's not going to be disrespectful or anythong to how Rogue feels/felt about Remy.

[ProfeZZor X]

^Gotta be Bobby, right? I mean, who else makes sense?

That's what I've been saying for a while. I think the thing with Mystique is a ploy to make us think they are getting together, but in reality, she (Mystique) is probably setting him up to go after Rogue.

They were close friends at one time, and they both understand each others problems very well. Mystique has been known to try an play matchmaker and homewrecker in the past, so this theory kind of makes sense.

And here's why: Rogue's been with Gambit for years, yet nothing positive has come out of it. He's cheated on her before, and he's also tried to injur her as well. Bobby is the "boy next door" type that needs a girl like Rogue, because of her "down home" personality, and she's grounded. You also have to remember that he tried to care for her a few years back after she absorbed Remy's powers, and she was trying to confront him. Plus, in Milligain's last remaining books, Bobby was trying to protect her yet again from Gambit/Horseman.

It's obvious that Rogue is tired of the games Remy has been playing over the years, and wants someone steady. Bobby has had a history of failed relationships, but also believes Rogue can do better... If that's not two people reaching out to each other, I don't know what is.

Not only that, but it kind of ties in to the whole X-Men movie thing, as well as the Ultimate X-Men book too.

[aaron]

I feel bad for the Romy haters that they're going to be together again.

[ProfeZZor X]

I feel bad for the Romy haters that they're going to be together again.

So far, Mike Carey is taking a "true to life" approach to his characters. And eventually, if he's on this book long enough, he will write the Rogue/Gambit relationship similar to a real world approach. People have ups and downs in relationships all the time. And with the amount of abuse each character has had over the decades with each other, it would seem only natural for them to go their own separate ways... I mean, look at Whitney Houston and Bobby Brown. Some people thought they were inseperable. That is, until one of them couldn't take the abuse anymore.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

^yeah. She Would Beat Him Up Daily.:woot:

[aaron]

Well I can see them back together 2008 the latest.

[04nbod]

oh please no, that chapter of rogues life should be over. Remember we all thought scott and jean were forever but now emma...

[aaron]

Actually... I do love Scott and Emma! But I wasn't a total Scott/Jean enthusiast... but I am so totally that for Remy & Rogue... their love is eternal! Oh gosh! ;)

[ProfeZZor X]

With the way relationships are today, do people honestly think two people can be together for that long? You really have tot step out of the box on this one and think of these people as real to some degree. Sure, it's all a fantasy, but if written with real world issues, Rogue and Gambit wouldn't be together today... Which they aren't. But to think they could last for 30 years or more is completely unrealistic.

[ProfeZZor X]

The Rogue and Gambit relationship need to end. How else could both characters grow as individuals, without associating one without the other?

[aaron]

Yes... but there are also couples in real life... that no matter what, stay together.

[ProfeZZor X]

Yes... but there are also couples in real life... that no matter what, stay together.

...Yeah, just ask O.J., he'll tell you.

[aaron]

Au contraire, mon ami... nope, actually, can't think of one... but just wanted to get a nifty piece of Gambit dialogue in there somewhere.

[Colossal Spoons]

Gambit is an embarassment to all French people or anybody that speaks a wee bit of the language ;o

[aaron]

Of course he is, he's the cheesy version.

[Colossal Spoons]

Gambit's French gets him ino women's underpants and I guess that's all that matters for him lol.

[aaron]

It's all that matters to any man. ;)

[OutcryX]

...Yeah, just ask O.J., he'll tell you.

What's O.J. got to do with it?

[aaron]

OJ has something to do with everything. ;)

[Snikt 6]

With the way relationships are today, do people honestly think two people can be together for that long? You really have tot step out of the box on this one and think of these people as real to some degree. Sure, it's all a fantasy, but if written with real world issues, Rogue and Gambit wouldn't be together today... Which they aren't. But to think they could last for 30 years or more is completely unrealistic.

First of all, good stuff about the Bobby and Rogue connection, I'm with you on that one. He is there, good guy and all and Rogue needs someone good....perfect match.

Now about your observation above, I must disagree. Now you talk about relationships that do not last, or can not last, but I ask.....why not? I mean really, isn't that one of the good things we have as we go through life, hope? I mean really, it is alot of work and it is not always easy, but it is so worth it. Take Scott and Jean, they are a true couple. True some writers thought they were "stale" or stagnat, but I disagree. Couples will go through spells of time where they just get by, but when a struggle comes or a trial they can draw on each other to get through it. Now it might be because I am Mormon and belive that marriages can be for "time and eternity" (yeah, I really do belive that you can be with your spouse & children for this life...and all that follows it) but I like to see couples last. Rogue and Remy had sparks....but was there fire? It just seemed like Rogue always got burned. Scott & Jean - yep fire there, and that was because they worked at it. Scott & Emma is a relationship that I have a problem with, just because what it is based on, and how it started. Bottom line is we need to hope our relationships last, because it is a relationship that truly can last even beyond this life, IMO.

[danielisthor]

Nobody meets up with a girl or guy and thinks "wow this will be over in 5 days or 5 weeks or 5 years". We hook up with the intentions of lasting forever, till death do us part. Unless of course its a one night stand.

[Snikt 6]

^Yeah, that could cause a problem....

[mightiest_mortal]

Nobody meets up with a girl or guy and thinks "wow this will be over in 5 days or 5 weeks or 5 years". We hook up with the intentions of lasting forever, till death do us part. Unless of course its a one night stand.
i hook up with people thinnking "this will be over in a week" if that counts? I think as soon as you start thinking youl be together forever for every relasionship you go into your just gonna get disapointed lots.

[ProfeZZor X]

I'm not sure how young you guys are, but all relationships go through a "honeymoon" period. Meaning, that they all start off great, and as time passes, you start to see little things about the other person that either annoy you, conflict with your lifestyle, or they're too demanding. And not to sound bitter or anything, because I'm not... But to honestly go in to a relationship thinking it's going to last forever is a hope and a dream.

Are there exceptions to the rule.... YES. But the reality here is that most relationships don't last a lifetime. Unless it's an arranged marriage, or divorce is not a part of that culture. Even then, people still cheat, or murder their spouses just to get out of marriage to that person.

The Rogue and Gambit relationship belongs in one of those romance novels, because that's all people see... An over thought idea to keep two people together, despite their obvious personality differences. It's failed miserably over the years, so people should move on and think of other people Rogue and Gambit could be with to make them happy.

[Rogue's Hand]

OMG! Jus got issue 193 brb wit my MO

[Rogue's Hand]

BTW, Rogue OWNS in this issue so far and I'm only on the 5th page!! :woot:

[Rogue's Hand]

My thoughts on X-Men # 193?
I am loving this comic more and more each issue!!!
Not only because my favorite character is leading the team,
but because the action that goes on gives me goosebumps! LOL!!
All I have to say is I love ROGUE!!!! And welcome back!!!!
Feels so good to be a Rogue fan!!!!
She is back ladies and gents, and whoever didnt think
it was possible for a female to have more b**ls den men,
you've gotta read 193 :woot:
Rogue quickly confronts Sangre with great humor that is sure to
make you LOL
Serafina: We were meant to inherit the Earth. We intend to.
Rogue: Yeah, but we're not about to let you do that.
You can have Jersey City, but that's our final offer.
****LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!*****
That was classic! Needs to go up there with Deadpool's lines!
Her fight with Fuego really let you know that Rogue is far
more powerful then we can imagine!
I love That Carey is a Rogue fan!
It's our turn dammit :hyper:

[Rogue's Hand]

Oh and heres something that happens at the end which
I think was the big decision that was going to affect the team
At the end Cyclops & Emma had this convo w/ Rogue

Cyclops: I guess you do know how to pick a team,
after all, Rogue. Welcome Home.

Emma: And the look is you, too.

Rogue: Thanks Emma. Sweet o' you to notice. But you get a whole
different perspective from way up there in the clouds.
We're not staying. We just came to pack our things.:whatever:
Guess this means a new beginning, which is good :woot:

[04nbod]

i love to hear another rogue fan so excited- makes me excited. the Uk stores won't get it in til monday at the earliest. I m looking forward to it. Was there any chemistry between bobby and rogue to support our theories thus far?

[Rogue's Hand]

i love to hear another rogue fan so excited- makes me excited. the Uk stores won't get it in til monday at the earliest. I m looking forward to it. Was there any chemistry between bobby and rogue to support our theories thus far?
No, not really. He helped her, but nothing major that makes
me think there's romantic link. Rogue is too focused right now, LOL:woot:
Plus, the favor he did for her was actually a personal vendetta he had with Fuego for evaporating him

[Specter313]

Dang. Now I'm hoping that they'll rip off Battlestar Galactica and say that the Children can download into new bodies when they die, so we can get some of those good characters back. :p

[Rogue's Hand]

Dang. Now I'm hoping that they'll rip off Battlestar Galactica and say that the Children can download into new bodies when they die, so we can get some of those good characters back. :p
Hahahaha, that'd be cool :woot:

[aaron]

I agree... I love The Children.

[ProfeZZor X]

Dang. Now I'm hoping that they'll rip off Battlestar Galactica and say that the Children can download into new bodies when they die, so we can get some of those good characters back. :p

To be honest, I'd be highly disappointed if Mike Carey did something like that. He's just establishing himself to the readers that don't know his work outside of X-Men, and to have him do something as uncreative as that idea would show how little his creative talent truly is.

Now if Milligain or Austen stole that idea, it would be and improvement, and would probably boost their careers. :whatever:

[aaron]

You don't like Carey?

[ProfeZZor X]

You don't like Carey?

I love Carey... He's the FIRST, and only writer that I've ever taken the time to study and read about. I even go to his site on a daily basis to read the comments he leaves for his fans... And yeah, I post questions there too.

[aaron]

I post there too...

and this "and to have him do something as uncreative as that idea would show how little his creative talent truly is" reads as you thinking he's uncreative and untalented.

[ProfeZZor X]

I post there too...

and this "and to have him do something as uncreative as that idea would show how little his creative talent truly is" reads as you thinking he's uncreative and untalented.

No, I think you misread what I was saying. I was sayig that I think he is a creative genius. I've told him so on his website many times before.

But for him to copy someone else's idea, like Specter313 mentioned, would be a big disappointment to me.

[aaron]

Hehe... nope, you miswrote it. Your bad.

[ProfeZZor X]

Hehe... nope, you miswrote it. Your bad.

If so, I'm feeling too lazy to change it now anyway... :woot:

Man, I can't wait to pick up my copy today. Only one more hour to go. Even then, I still won't be able to read it until later on this evening... Only because I have way too many errands to run until this evening, around 10 PM (PST)

[04nbod]

doesn't take 10 mins to read a comic prof. i usually read mine on the train home from college.

[mightiest_mortal]

Is it just me that thought that the x-men seemed uncarachteristically bloodthirsty? i know theyve got sabretooth and lady mastermind on the team now... but even Bobby and Sam seemed to apparently be killing in cold blood. Sam especially, slamming some girl repeatedly through walls, who hed moments before thought hed been in a serious relationship with. seemingly killing her outright rather than even trying to stun or subdue her. It just seemed crazily violent for him and kinda unnerving :S. also... what was keeping the ship afloat at the end? i thought maybe one of the x-men had found the controls.. but mystique had blown up the entire control room.

[spark627]

question...very slight spoiler...


so, when rogue was fighting fuego, was she absorbing his powers and fighting him with them or using her own fire powers... i like bachalo but his fight scenes are hard to decipher

[Snikt 6]

Well I was gonna wait for the weekend, but now I gotta go pick it up tomorrow. Sounds like a fun issue....with a whole lotta action. Not to keen on having the X-Men just killing the "bad guys", I kinda like how they try not to, but well see what Carey has in store.

[PiotrRasputin]

question...very slight spoiler...


so, when rogue was fighting fuego, was she absorbing his powers and fighting him with them or using her own fire powers... i like bachalo but his fight scenes are hard to decipher

In this case, it's not a Bachalo's issue, cause either way (I mean, Rogues's absorbing or using her own) it wouldn't (COULDN'T) be expressed by the artist's lines. How could you show that? I think everything was happening at that moment: Roguey was absorbing the Child's powers AND using her own (Solaris' own) ate the same time.

By the way: Carey ROCKS! Bachalo ROCKS! Humberto Ramos...? Not so much...

PS= Sam was soooooo handsome! :yay:

[Snikt 6]

By the way: Carey ROCKS! Bachalo ROCKS! Humberto Ramos...? Not so much...



Ah, I love when people think like I do......

[PiotrRasputin]

Ah, I love when people think like I do......

Yeah!
And I dont know what's with all the complaining.
The "adjectiveless" X-Men is the better X book (since Carey and Bachalo.)
Bachalo's haters dont admit it but the fill-in artist in the middle of Supernovas proved the Carey-Bachalo connection. When it's not there, it's just terribily missed. Their work together's awesome. Like Rogue's team.
For me, its Astonishing and Adjectiveless. Uncanny's just too boring these days (the months)

[Snikt 6]

Yeah!
And I dont know what's with all the complaining.
The "adjectiveless" X-Men is the better X book (since Carey and Bachalo.)
Bachalo's haters dont admit it but the fill-in artist in the middle of Supernovas proved the Carey-Bachalo connection. When it's not there, it's just terribily missed. Their work together's awesome. Like Rogue's team.
For me, its Astonishing and Adjectiveless. Uncanny's just too boring these days (the months)

Totally agree!! Comics are suppose to be....fun right? I love what Carey is doing on X-Men, and Bachalo's art is just perfect for this title. I am having fun....are you?
Astonishing is also my #1, X-Men #2, Uncanny #3 in a tie with New X-Men. Uncanny has a great line-up, Im just not that hot on the whole year in space, but maybe it will pay off.

[PiotrRasputin]

Totally agree!! Comics are suppose to be....fun right? I love what Carey is doing on X-Men, and Bachalo's art is just perfect for this title. I am having fun....are you?
Astonishing is also my #1, X-Men #2, Uncanny #3 in a tie with New X-Men. Uncanny has a great line-up, Im just not that hot on the whole year in space, but maybe it will pay off.

Yup, I mean it's like Brubaker's trying to build up this gigantic, epic, out of proportion story and it's so gigantic, epic and out of proprotion (:yay: ) that it doesn't get me ... at all. I like the pencils, but not so much the writing.

With X-Men you just have this strange strange group of people, lead by a notorious schizofrenic (hope I wrote this one correctly) that is Rogue (and that's why I love her originally). Everytime she gets inside the green cloak and the scene gets all dark, I can feel the mansion's mood, and it's like I'm one of the X-guys, right there with them.

I can't explain. Adjectiveless's the best X-book for me. Its got something.
I'm definitely having fun reading that and waiting for the next issue.
So it's Astonishing/Adjectiveless # 1, and Uncanny # 2.

[Snikt 6]

^What a difference a little bit of effort makes. It really seems like Carey has taken time to realy think about where this team is headed, and just got lucky and got a great artist to "show" his story. With some writers I just feel they are getting the issue over with so they can work on the next one, IMO. X-Men comics are ment to be fun, exciting and have some type of morals attached to the story, again IMO.

I just wished Astonishing could come out when it is suppose to.....

[PiotrRasputin]

That's the issue with Astonishing. It's not out when it's supposed to be, it takes a long time and continuity gets lost. I used to list my favorite x-books like you did: Astonishing#1, X-Men#2 and Uncanny#3.
But due to the constant time gaps, Adjectiveless kept growing on me. It has such a great style, in every way.
Maybe people shoul give a chance to Bachalo, you know, spend some time looking at the pictures, understanding the whole thing. Reading a comic (for me) is not a "fast food" kindda thing. I enjoy spending time with it.

Let's just wait now, and see what's up with the "Infection", Carey's next arc. Snikt 6, I'm going to bed. It's 2 in the morning here in Brazil and I'm supposed to go to college tomorrow (today) lol. See you!

[Silvermoth]

I prefer The Children to Vulcun actually

[OutcryX]

Yeah, its got that X-Force feel...at least they are not on a road trip....
I am excited to see where Carey will take this team. The "Outlaw" tag is all good, but do Iceman and Cannonball really belong on that type of team....

I really don't think Cable belongs on this team, just seems out of place to me. Maybe behind the scene's in the Mansion or something.

I kind of like what I have seen of Lady Mastermind, I wouldnt mind her sticking around. There are so many characters that could shine in this book, and with Carey's writing any character could start to look good.


Cannonball used to be on X-Force back when it was operating like a terrorist cell( and under Cable's leadership/guidance no less)...he shouldn't have a problem with the more...aggressive...stance Rogue's team is taking...Aand Bobby needs to cut loose...so yeah they belong.

[AndThePickles]

That's the issue with Astonishing. It's not out when it's supposed to be, it takes a long time and continuity gets lost. I used to list my favorite x-books like you did: Astonishing#1, X-Men#2 and Uncanny#3.
But due to the constant time gaps, Adjectiveless kept growing on me. It has such a great style, in every way.
Maybe people shoul give a chance to Bachalo, you know, spend some time looking at the pictures, understanding the whole thing. Reading a comic (for me) is not a "fast food" kindda thing. I enjoy spending time with it.

Let's just wait now, and see what's up with the "Infection", Carey's next arc. Snikt 6, I'm going to bed. It's 2 in the morning here in Brazil and I'm supposed to go to college tomorrow (today) lol. See you!

Eh, as a comic book artist, Bachalo is not someone that I care for. I like his artwork, but it's too cluttered for a comic. Too hard to figure out what's going on half the time.

[Brainiac 8]

Regardless of which X-title you like reading, the team change has really upped the quality in the stories. They haven't bee this good in quite a while.

[chris moore]

I dont like that they've bleeding taken off again. We dont need another X-Treme fiasco, with a team unhappy at the way the mansion handles things so they go trotting off round the globe by themselves...

[aaron]

True Brainiac, so loving Mike Carey!

[ProfeZZor X]

I wasn't digging Ramos' work, so hopefully Bachalo will return for the full issue next month.

I didn't mind so much the thing with Bobby killing Fuego. In fact, this will mark the third time he's killed someone in self defense. What was a little confusing was if Bobby was extinguishing Fuego from the inside out, or consuming him with mist. Looking at the Ice column that he created around Fuego, it seems like ice was coming out of Fuego's chest.... Thoughts?

Oh, and Fishbowl lady looks like a formitable villainess. Can't wait for her to make a comeback.

[Colossal Spoons]

I dont like that they've bleeding taken off again. We dont need another X-Treme fiasco, with a team unhappy at the way the mansion handles things so they go trotting off round the globe by themselves...

Yeah, I'm with you on that one.

[aaron]

Isn't Ramos doing 195-198?

[ProfeZZor X]

Isn't Ramos doing 195-198?

I hope not. Because I absolutely HATE the way he draws Iceman.

[aaron]

I hate the way he draws everyone/everything.

[mightiest_mortal]

so, its just me that thought Cannonball seemed a bit brutal?

[aaron]

Hmm, I'm kinda meh.

[Specter313]

Isn't Ramos doing 195-198?

#194 - #196

[aaron]

Thanks evil.

[Specter313]

I hate the way he draws everyone/everything.

This is a little funny, since when it was first announced he was subbing in, a bunch of Bachalo lovers were defending the choice to bring him in because his art is "really close to Chris'".

[aaron]

Haha! I don't see it as being Like Chris' at all really.

[mightiest_mortal]

well im not overly keen on Bachelos art at all, but i do like that theyve chosen an artist that has a somewhat similar style.

[ProfeZZor X]

Haha! I don't see it as being Like Chris' at all really.

In all honesty, I completely forgot someone else was also doing this book. I was so caught up in looking at the spoilers everyone was dishing out that I completely ignored the art variation..... That is, until I took a look at Iceman's weird "squiggly lines" look. Which I kind of find funny and comical with no color contrast.

Although I would agree with Specter313 on the similarities. After all, it had me fooled, until I reached page 15 (the Iceman page).

http://www.brokenfrontier.com/img/2006/nov/XMEN193p15.jpg?PHPSESSID=2a4c94ffdc148de6c9cd61c98 11a7010

Also, here's an added BONUS of an in-depth review of Mike's take on his #193 issue (Complete with scans!!!!) ...Do I deliver, or do I deliver? Enjoy

http://www.brokenfrontier.com/lowdown/details.php?id=592&PHPSESSID=2a4c94ffdc148de6c9cd61c9811a7010

[ghost113]

Is that bachalo's work?

[Mike059jig]

The Uncanny Storyline and X-men Supernova are better story arcs than the Astonishing X-men books this year,I like Astonishing but the wait just drags down the storyline. I pick it up and read then I just go, is this what I've been wating for?.........This book is on schedule and has great writing behind them..the action in this book was a bit confusing it took me a while to get the picture right...but next up is Uncanny X-men...then 2 months later Astonishing!!!

[usagicassidy]

http://marvel.com/i/content/st/580new_storyimage4901007_full.jpg

http://marvel.com/i/content/st/580new_storyimage4901017_full.jpg

http://marvel.com/i/content/st/580new_storyimage4901044_full.jpg

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

...I actually like it. it's quite cute:O

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

also, now we have three artist to draw sam's current costume.

[Specter313]

That last one is just hideous.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

i can deal.

[ProfeZZor X]

That last one is just hideous.

Agreed...

[chris moore]

Also, here's an added BONUS of an in-depth review of Mike's take on his #193 issue (Complete with scans!!!!) ...Do I deliver, or do I deliver? Enjoy

http://www.brokenfrontier.com/lowdown/details.php?id=592&PHPSESSID=2a4c94ffdc148de6c9cd61c9811a7010

Those last couple lines in the article are suggestive arent they? So their new base is going to be floating around the country/world in a tanker? Bit SHIELD hellicarrier, but it could work. Of course when Nate started moving about the world in Providence, and Thor floats over New York in a stone city, people get antsy - same thing would happen here wouldnt it?

Of course, it does also take us back a bit to the days of the original X-Factor, and Ship - that was good. I'm assuming those preview pages by Ramos with Cyke talking to Nate and Sam are them fixing up the tanker to be habitable and more techno.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

So I read the issue... At least I was ABLE to read the issue. Yeah, the art was THAT bad. This issue was a complete MISS for me because of the art. God, I'm starting to hate Bachalo alot.:cmad:Never the less, the writing was good, and I'd rather have a Bobby/Raven relationship over a Bobby/Anna relationship any day of the week, but oh well.

[Cosmic Mind]

The last pics are really nice, I kinda like the art..

[Generation Lee]

So I read the issue... At least I was ABLE to read the issue. Yeah, the art was THAT bad. This issue was a complete MISS for me because of the art. God, I'm starting to hate Bachalo alot.:cmad:Never the less, the writing was good, and I'd rather have a Bobby/Raven relationship over a Bobby/Anna relationship any day of the week, but oh well.

I agree it getting worse and lazy in parts. Also please God those preview pages abover aren't from the same artist on Wolverine Civil War Tie in are they man I hate him those stupid muths see Mysitue and Cable.

OK I think I'm going to read this issue again cause I'm still not sure why Rouge wants to leave and how the hell the last page can be explained. OK mobile strike team is understandable and of course Carey stated they would return to the mansion that can make sense. But Rogue's tone of voice to Cyc kinda suggested a fall out. :huh:

[aaron]

Looks cel shaded.

[04nbod]

why does cable have a giant body and a little head?
i'm an art student i know whats awful and that is awful. iceman iced up looks like something from dragonball! is that bobby or cyclops in the red shades- he looks blonde?

[aaron]

Always seems to be oddly proportioned girly girl.

[ProfeZZor X]

I agree it getting worse and lazy in parts.

And I thought it was just me.... But you also have to consider, Bachalo is steadily cranking these things out. And for him to do this much for an entire arc can be a bit much for any one person. Let's also not forget that he's also doing the inking on some of these.

[ProfeZZor X]

http://marvel.com/i/content/st/580new_storyimage4901007_full.jpg


You know... You either love Ramos' work, or you hate it. I'm not a big fan of his wide-eyed, wide-mouthed expressions, and disproportionate body parts, but sometimes he can produce some decent work (I said "SOMETIMES"). The detail and colors in this piece are far more vivid than in Bachalo's entire arc. Which is great, because Bachalo blazed the trail for this darker team, whereas Ramos is lightening the mood with a well earned rest for the team... Well, kind of.

I don't like his Iceman on the cover, but I am kind of digging him on this page. I'm just hoping Carey will write him using other modes of transportation, now that he's increased his flexibility with his powers.

[danielisthor]

There is just something fun about the iceslide though. INstant rollercoaster.

To answer a query. Yes that is Scott in the red glasses. It doesn't look like Sam liked what he had to say. in that final panel between the two. I am really enjoying this new Sam under Carey. He's doing great advancements with most if not all the characters under his direct control.

[ghost113]

I like the way Ramos draws Sam.

[danielisthor]

I like the way Ramos draws Sam.


i do as well, though i don't know if i want Ramos drawing Sam and ALex next to each other. Might not be able to tell the difference

[ghost113]

Nah Sam has thos long sideburns and stubble, Alex is real clean cut and probably shaves that and alex is in space won't be seeing him for awhile.

[The Cajun]

Anyone know if Sabretooth sticks around for the next arc? I remember someone saying that the team would be changing quite a bit for the first arc or two.

[squeekness]

I hope he stays. :D He's my number one bad guy.

[ghost113]

I as well, it seems him and mystigue were just what this team needed.

[Snikt 6]

I hope he stays. :D He's my number one bad guy.

^Really? I don't know, its cool having him around for a bit...but for the long haul I hope he gets droped off somewhere along the way. I feel the comics flow smoother without him there, but he does add an edge.

[aaron]

I think like 3 of the current team will be leaving by issue 200 if I remember correctly.

[Snikt 6]

^Yeah, any ideas which ones?

[PiotrRasputin]

I like the way Ramos draws Sam.

I like the way BACHALO draws Sam!
Actually, it clearly seems to me that Bachalo's the ONLY one able to capture Carey X-Men's atmosphere in an awesome way

[ProfeZZor X]

^Yeah, any ideas which ones?

I'm guessing Lady Mastermind, Cable, and Karima. And now that the "Supernova" arc is over, and the Children have been defeated, there also no real reason why Sabertooth really needs to stick around either.

[The Cajun]

I'm guessing Lady Mastermind, Cable, and Karima. And now that the "Supernova" arc is over, and the Children have been defeated, there also no real reason why Sabertooth really needs to stick around either.

Well the next arc is all about Pan and the hospital that Lady Mastermind and Karima were found at. Once the arc is over and the bad guys are defeated those two will probably be on their way out.

That leaves one last character to leave. While I love Sabretooth on the book and he does add an edge I'm pretty sure he will leave and Cable will stick around. I just can't see a way for him to stay around with the X-Men for longer then an arc or two.

[04nbod]

he has sentinals in his blood- he may be sticking around

[The Cajun]

Hasn't he got a big story coming up in Wolverine #50 though?

Plus I swear I seen him on the covers for upcoming Exiles issues.

I just don't see him hanging about, even if I wished he would.

[04nbod]

it would involve rogue letting him go and not activating the nanites

[Brainiac 8]

it would involve rogue letting him go and not activating the nanites

You a comic reader also bod, or just an X-fan?

[04nbod]

all of the above and proud!:woot:

[Brainiac 8]

all of the above and proud!:woot:


Comics, X-fan, and Smallville...you're like the perfect woman.:cwink: :oldrazz:

[ProfeZZor X]

he has sentinals in his blood- he may be sticking around

Didn't his healing factor come back? If so, maybe his body will eventually reject them, and exponge them from his system.

[The Cajun]

Creed should totally make a move on Rogue just for the pure entertainment value it would offer.:hyper:

Didn't Mytique (sp) and Sabretooth have a kid together? There was like no interaction between them at all in the last arc.

[Specter313]

Creed should totally make a move on Rogue just for the pure entertainment value it would offer.:hyper:

Didn't Mytique (sp) and Sabretooth have a kid together? There was like no interaction between them at all in the last arc.

Yeah, Graydon Creed. Mystique killed him some time ago.

[04nbod]

Didn't his healing factor come back? If so, maybe his body will eventually reject them, and exponge them from his system.

eventually- how longs eventually? lol.. as in before 200

[Snikt 6]

Well the next arc is all about Pan and the hospital that Lady Mastermind and Karima were found at. Once the arc is over and the bad guys are defeated those two will probably be on their way out.

That leaves one last character to leave. While I love Sabretooth on the book and he does add an edge I'm pretty sure he will leave and Cable will stick around. I just can't see a way for him to stay around with the X-Men for longer then an arc or two.

I hope Sabretooth goes just for the fact that if he sticks around...he is going to overdue his welcome. Plus in Wolverine around #50 he and Sabretooth are suppose to go to some big time blows......

I kinda hope Lady Mastermind sticks around and Cable goes, he just seems like he doesnt fit in. He had, what two lines last issue.

[Brainiac 8]

Personally I would like Cable to stay, it's nice seeing him on an X-team again.

[Snikt 6]

^It is nice to see him on a team again, but I guess I just see him as a stand alone character. Maybe they could have him head something up at the school or something. I actually like Cable alot, and Rogue's team is a good fit, I guess I just expected more from him. This arc was very bland for Cable fans.

[bengan]

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/43159537/

Is it just me that thinks that Iceman with pants is just wierd? And why does Mystique have boobs bigger then her head? Other then that, a nice cover. But I really love the guy that draws it now.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

I dont know, but i'm not really feeling x-men anymore. Maybe it's the writing? No, the writing's fine. Maybe it's the children? I didn't really like them. Maybe it was the art? No it's mostly the art. either way, I may be done.

[proteus]

I'm guessing Lady Mastermind, Cable, and Karima. And now that the "Supernova" arc is over, and the Children have been defeated, there also no real reason why Sabertooth really needs to stick around either.

I've only heard of two people, Lady Mastermind & Karima leaving. Mike has mentioned Cable in his plans for later arcs.

[bengan]

I would really like to Lady mastermind to stay. Love her fights in 193. never cared for Sabretooth, Cable or Karima. let them go...NOW!!

[Colossal Spoons]

Hasn't he got a big story coming up in Wolverine #50 though?

Plus I swear I seen him on the covers for upcoming Exiles issues.

I just don't see him hanging about, even if I wished he would.

You must be talking about AOA Sabertooth; whose on that team. The next few issues are about Psylocke presumably.

I dont know, but i'm not really feeling x-men anymore. Maybe it's the writing? No, the writing's fine. Maybe it's the children? I didn't really like them. Maybe it was the art? No it's mostly the art. either way, I may be done.

Au revoir mon ami!

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

:csad: i'll miss you guys.

[04nbod]

comicboy - don't leave me:(:(:(

[04nbod]

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/43159537/

Is it just me that thinks that Iceman with pants is just wierd? And why does Mystique have boobs bigger then her head? Other then that, a nice cover. But I really love the guy that draws it now.

if rogue is leader why does she look like she's playing second to mysitique:csad:

and icemans underpants- what???:(:(

[ProfeZZor X]

CBR revealed more information on the mysterious villain named Pan:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=9075

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

I really can't stay away.:up::woot::(

[danielisthor]

I really can't stay away.:up::woot::(


It's a problem most of us have. :oldrazz:

[Snikt 6]

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/43159537/

Is it just me that thinks that Iceman with pants is just wierd? And why does Mystique have boobs bigger then her head? Other then that, a nice cover. But I really love the guy that draws it now.

I love X-Men, I really dig Carey's writing and I relly enjoy looking at Bachalo's art. But, man Ramos is the last person I wanted to work on this book, I knew this day was coming, but I didn't want to believe it. Have you seen his work on Wolverine? Check out the preview pages - look at his Lady Mastermind....ugh. It just seems Ramos rushes his art. I mean it looks like he messes up, say "oh well, I'll make it work" and just presses on instead of getting the ol' eraser out and fix it.

He does have a cool style, but the work is just not up to par with what I expect out of a paid artist.

[04nbod]

CBR revealed more information on the mysterious villain named Pan:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=9075

those preview pages were really inconsistant-and rogue looks really dark in some. i don't like it:csad:

[Rogue's Hand]

those preview pages were really inconsistant-and rogue looks really dark in some. i don't like it:csad:
Agreed.

[Snikt 6]

those preview pages were really inconsistant-and rogue looks really dark in some. i don't like it:csad:

Did you see the Lady Mastermind....ugh! Man, VERY inconsistant!

[Nature's Rising]

I gotta give Ramos some credit, he actually can match Bachalo sometimes. I'm not an avid fan of both, so casual readers wont really know they are done by 2 different artists.

Plus, he does a decent Sam and Sabertooth though. The females are just hideous though. Mystique looks like a multiple Pamela Anderson.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

I really like Ramos' art. It doesn't bother me like Bachalo's does.

[Snikt 6]

I gotta give Ramos some credit, he actually can match Bachalo sometimes. I'm not an avid fan of both, so casual readers wont really know they are done by 2 different artists.

Plus, he does a decent Sam and Sabertooth though. The females are just hideous though. Mystique looks like a multiple Pamela Anderson.

Yeahbuhwhat? Ramos's art and Bachalo's art are very different. Bachalo's are is so smooth...while Ramos's are it so...choppy. Bachalo really can draw the characters well (except for Beast) but all of Ramos' women are just....blah. Again, did you see his Lady Mastermind? Bad, bad stuff. They both have a "cartoony" feel, but for anyone who loves the X-Men they will notice the change in artists right away...for the worse. At least Carey is writing it!

[danielisthor]

I really like Ramos' art. It doesn't bother me like Bachalo's does.

I Don't mind Ramos, but his style is more intune with a manga style book and not a major title

[Brainiac 8]

If it wasn't for the excellent writing and interesting story on Carey's part, I would skip the next few issues. I hate hate hate Ramos art.

I haven't read Wolverine since he has been on it.

ugh!:cmad:

[Colossal Spoons]

What is Lady Mastermind wearing in those preview pages? Even Emma would call that a slutty outfit.

[Snikt 6]

^Actually, Lady Mastermind wore that outfit the last two issues. Difference is....Bachalo can actually draw her. Ramos' drawing of her is just....bad. It is kind of "lady of the night"-ish.

[Snikt 6]

If it wasn't for the excellent writing and interesting story on Carey's part, I would skip the next few issues. I hate hate hate Ramos art.

I haven't read Wolverine since he has been on it.

ugh!:cmad:

When I first started reading his run on Wolverine it was okay, but man the art just gets worse and worse. I am so thankful that Carey is writing interesting stories.

[Brainiac 8]

When I first started reading his run on Wolverine it was okay, but man the art just gets worse and worse. I am so thankful that Carey is writing interesting stories.


That will be the next two or three issues saving grace, Carey's writing.

Because I am very much digging his story he is building.:woot:

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

I'm staying in For the art

[usagicassidy]

So I still don't understand who some of the characters are. For instance...uhhh anyone who's been showing up recently that ISN'T an X-Man...maybe it's just the art...but sometimes I couldn't tell who was good and who was bad. Like in the last issue...there was a girl with an 'X' on her belt, but I definitly had no clue who she was supposed to be.

[Snikt 6]

^What page was she on? Most likely Lady Mastermind.

[usagicassidy]

Yeah, she's definitely one of them. Am I stupid for not knowing at all who she is?

Same for this Karima?

[Snikt 6]

^Nah, definitley not stupid. If it wasn't for Uncannyx-men.net I would have been clueless when they introduced Karima. I remember now reading about her and Lady Mastermind, but when they were introduced to this X-Men team I couldn't remember them either. I totally forgot that Karima was in Excalibur (with Prof X) also.

[04nbod]

i get totally confused between karima and lady mastermind- and for a while serafina but its not like their important anyhow

[ProfeZZor X]

Now that "Supernova" is over, I'm really not that excited about the next issue. Not that I'm disappointed with Mike's work... Beacause I like it... It's just that this next arc doesn't really grab me like the first one did.

[usagicassidy]

How can you know before you've read it?

[danielisthor]

Now that "Supernova" is over, I'm really not that excited about the next issue. Not that I'm disappointed with Mike's work... Beacause I like it... It's just that this next arc doesn't really grab me like the first one did.


Try reading his writing in Wetworks. HIs writing on X is 1000X better that that crap.

[Snikt 6]

I am kind of looking forward to this next arc. I am MORE excited to read issue #200 because of the cast of characters it is suppose to bring in, and maybe a new line up. But this next one should be good, hopefully he can flesh out more of the newer characters and continue to build up Rogue.

[04nbod]

bobby needs something to do in the next arc- besides giving mystique flirtly looks

[Snikt 6]

^Now in all fairness Bobby had alot more action than half the team, plus his powers are growing. I still feel that Mystique is leading Bobby on to get him close to Rogue.

[ghost113]

I like how Bobby grew as a character but barely did anything.

[Snikt 6]

If a few charcters actually do leave this line-up, like Lady Mastermind (hope not) or Karima (hope so) who do you guys want to replace them? I know Husk has been rumored, so that would be cool. I personally hope Angel doesnt follow, although he really needs to be on one of the main titles.

[04nbod]

i like husk but i feel it needs another a list x man. considering sabretooth and mystique are not considered 'x men' in the traditional sense. the only a listers are bobby and rogue- maybe cable- i would welcome angel. so i'd say bobby rogue, mystique, cable, angel, cannonball and husk as the team after 200. can't think of others that would join.

[Snikt 6]

^agreed. Although they are not "A" list X-Men it would be cool to see either Magma or Sunspot on this squad.

[Specter313]

(No Preview Cover)
X-MEN #197
Written by MIKE CAREY
Pencils and Cover by CHRIS BACHALO
“CONDITION CRITICAL” PART 1 (OF 3)!
Rogue lays battered and bruised and close to death! The X-Men must rush to save her life, but while trying to save their fallen teammate, Lady Mastermind might have unleashed a hidden danger that may threaten everyone on the planet! Lead-up issues to the milestone 200th issue!
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

[Snikt 6]

^To bad there was no cover preview. Wonder what Lady Mastermind does....maybe Shadow King or something?

[Rogue's Hand]

If a few charcters actually do leave this line-up, like Lady Mastermind (hope not) or Karima (hope so) who do you guys want to replace them? I know Husk has been rumored, so that would be cool. I personally hope Angel doesnt follow, although he really needs to be on one of the main titles.
I think that Storm & Blackpanther should join, besides I recently
read that they are supposed to be in a new "family" :woot:
And a lot of her fans feel it doesn't have to do with babies:ninja:
So having Storm back on a team w/ Rogue would be hot.
It would be the first time Rogue was leading above Storm :woot: :hyper:
Other then that, I would love Husk, she'd be in the team w/ her brother.:yay:

[Rogue's Hand]

(No Preview Cover)
X-MEN #197
Written by MIKE CAREY
Pencils and Cover by CHRIS BACHALO
“CONDITION CRITICAL” PART 1 (OF 3)!
Rogue lays battered and bruised and close to death! The X-Men must rush to save her life, but while trying to save their fallen teammate, Lady Mastermind might have unleashed a hidden danger that may threaten everyone on the planet! Lead-up issues to the milestone 200th issue!
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99
OMG! I'm hoping this is where Rogue's powers evolve!
I remembered Mike saying her firepowers might not be her final powers :woot:
And isn't she supposed to be infected w/ something?:huh:
It'll probably have a reaction :word:

[Snikt 6]

I think that Storm & Blackpanther should join, besides I recently
read that they are supposed to be in a new "family" :woot:
And a lot of her fans feel it doesn't have to do with babies:ninja:
So having Storm back on a team w/ Rogue would be hot.
It would be the first time Rogue was leading above Storm :woot: :hyper:
Other then that, I would love Husk, she'd be in the team w/ her brother.:yay:

Interesting thought......it would be weird seeing Storm and Black Panther join the "front line" X-team. I like Storm, and she might fit in, but the Black Panther is to much of a leader....he might clash with Rogue a bit to much. Cool thought though.