Official X-MEN: LEGACY Discussion Thread

[04nbod]

i always thought rogues powers should be at the level that sage boosted them too years ago. maybe the 200th issue is a milestone for rogue's character as well- wouldn't surprise we with such a wonderful writer!!:woot: maybe this is where the new romance comes out.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

I miss Ms. Marvel Rogue!!!:cmad:

[04nbod]

there's not much different now than before except the fiery powers

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

super strength

[04nbod]

you wait- she'll absorb all powers permenantly from 200 hundred on.:cwink:

[Rogue's Hand]

I like Rogue's new powers, but there is nothing unique about them.
She needs something, I just can't put my finger on it :huh:

[Snikt 6]

I miss Ms. Marvel Rogue!!!:cmad:

Me too. I loved the flight, invurndablity and super strength. My favorite was when she absorbed both Nightcrawler and Colossus' powers - she just looked SO cool.

[Snikt 6]

She needs something, I just can't put my finger on it :huh:

Neither can she....get it....finger....oh never mind....:cwink:

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

dude, that was cold.

[Rogue's Hand]

Neither can she....get it....finger....oh never mind....:cwink:
Actually she can :woot: and hopefully in # 200 she will!:hyper:

[Specter313]

Me too. I loved the flight, invurndablity and super strength. My favorite was when she absorbed both Nightcrawler and Colossus' powers - she just looked SO cool.

See, but then she doesn't need the Ms. Marvel powers. They just need to have her utilize her absorbtion powers more often and she'll appear much cooler.

[Snikt 6]

^Ah, good point. She really doesnt use her absobtion powers all that often, but when she does it really is amazing. I loved what Sage did in X-Treme...wonder if they will ever go back. (On a side note have you seen how cool that X-Treme Rogue toy looks in the new X-Men toy line....so sweet!)

[Rogue's Hand]

^Ah, good point. She really doesnt use her absobtion powers all that often, but when she does it really is amazing. I loved what Sage did in X-Treme...wonder if they will ever go back. (On a side note have you seen how cool that X-Treme Rogue toy looks in the new X-Men toy line....so sweet!)
Can you post a link so I can see it :huh:

[Snikt 6]

Check out Uncanny #194. Not that great, but still kinda cool....

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/covers/showgallery2.asp?fldAuto=5&ID=uncanny&title=Uncanny%20X-Men&page=13

I know there are more, when I find them I will post them. Hope that link above works, if not, so sorry! On www.uncannyxmen.net they have a cover gallery of pretty much each issue. Good stuff.

[Rogue's Hand]

Check out Uncanny #194. Not that great, but still kinda cool....

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/covers/showgallery2.asp?fldAuto=5&ID=uncanny&title=Uncanny%20X-Men&page=13

I know there are more, when I find them I will post them. Hope that link above works, if not, so sorry! On www.uncannyxmen.net (http://www.uncannyxmen.net) they have a cover gallery of pretty much each issue. Good stuff.
Oh yeah I remember that, but I meant a picture of the action figure:woot:

[Snikt 6]

Oh, let me see if I can find one.....sorry!

[Snikt 6]

Can you post a link so I can see it :huh:

Here is one link for the X-Treme Rogue. Thumbnails are at that bottom of the page.

http://www.action-figure.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=20302

[spark627]

I just got that figure... I love it!

[Snikt 6]

^Awesome, I can not find it anywhere. Might have to order it online. I love the costume and glasses, so cool.

[Brainiac 8]

I miss Ms. Marvel Rogue!!!:cmad:

So do I. I got back into the comics sometime late last year and at that point Rogue was like she is now, and to be honest, I don't like her with Fire abilities. I really wish she had her Ms. Marvel powers again.


That said, I think bod is right and the 200th issue might be another milestone for Rogue and her powers. I can tell you one thing, Carey has had her use her powers more interestingly than she has in a very long time.

I still love how he had her mix Cyclops' optic blast and Emma's Diamond form together to make a laser prism.:woot:

[Snikt 6]

^I agree, I hope Carey does this right. She needs something....new.

I loved when she could recall all the powers she absorbed. The visuals would be amazing!

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

The Cyclops/Emma power mix thing WAS hella awesome. We need more of that.

[Snikt 6]

Imagine a mix of Cannonball and Iceman's powers......Rogue is such a great character because it really is up to the writers imagination on how far she can go.

[Brainiac 8]

Yup, and so far Carey has more delivered on her powers and characterization.:yay:

[Snikt 6]

That's why I am really getting into X-Men. What a difference a writer makes when he actually cares....

[04nbod]

http://image.milehighcomics.com/nice/images/NOV062333.gif
has the annual come out yet?

[@JeanGrey]

I just bought today X-Men #193 (i will read it tomorrow cause at the moment im a bit drunk..)

I am really getting into adjectiveless x-men, more than astonishing. I happened today to see milligan issue 181. what a horrible artist! i was astonished by how bad everyone was drawn there...

i have faith in carey.just that

[Snikt 6]

http://image.milehighcomics.com/nice/images/NOV062333.gif
has the annual come out yet?

It will be in stores on 31 January.

[Snikt 6]

This was posted on the Civil War and Storm threads, but for those of you who have not checked those sites out:

http://previews.diamondcomics.com/de...s=213&ai=35682

FF?

[Rogue's Hand]

That's why I am really getting into X-Men. What a difference a writer makes when he actually cares....
Especially that he's a Rogue fan :woot:

[Snikt 6]

^Man that makes it so much sweeter. Just like Joss in Astonishing. I loved how Kitty was actually the center character for a bit. X-Men, right now, is a Rogue fan's dream. She is the center character, leader of the team and she chooses the path for her squad.....sweet.

[thewhitequeen]

^Man that makes it so much sweeter. Just like Joss in Astonishing. I loved how Kitty was actually the center character for a bit. X-Men, right now, is a Rogue fan's dream. She is the center character, leader of the team and she chooses the path for her squad.....sweet.

It's so nice to see Rogue as the leader of a team too. She and Remy get portrayed as "not really team people" so often. It's a wicked cool change.

[Snikt 6]

^Agreed. I love how Rogue is taking charge, standing up to Scott and thanks to Carey we will at least get a glimpse of what Rogue should have been these last few years. I really hope Carey stays awhile longer than the last few writers.

[thewhitequeen]

Yeha, Rogue's such a strong character and she's been playing the super pussy lady lately. I'm glad to see her taking charge of a wicked cool team.

[OutcryX]

^Man that makes it so much sweeter. Just like Joss in Astonishing. I loved how Kitty was actually the center character for a bit. X-Men, right now, is a Rogue fan's dream. She is the center character, leader of the team and she chooses the path for her squad.....sweet.


ugh. I'm just not a Kitty fan..at all. Joss can have her. Rogue is the shizznit tho. Now if she can only learn to control her damn powers and be able to recall any power she ever absorbed again...then she'd be freakin unstoppable

[Snikt 6]

^That would be amazing, I really hope Carey pushes her powers in that direction. I am a pretty big Pryde fan, so I am digging Joss's stuff, but I am enjoying Rogue getting the lead in X-Men.

[04nbod]

kitty is probably the worst character of the x men in my opinion. rogue has been my favourite for years. rogue recalling every power would not surprise me- it happened just before she lost her powers totally, then it was done in evolution to amazing effect- to have it as canon would be amazing.

[04nbod]

It will be in stores on 31 January.


argg..it was meant to be out at the end of november whats the hold up!:cmad:

[ProfeZZor X]

Sebita is going to hate me for this but....:

Is ROGUE becoming the NEW Storm?

(Strong leader with a full grasp of her powers)

[Brainiac 8]

I wouldn't say so. Rogue has been put in charge of a team before, so this is nothing really new.

They are different personalities, and I for one am glad that they are showing that there are others among the X-Men that have learned how to lead.

[@JeanGrey]

Storm and Rogue are totally different types of character, therefore they give us two different kind of demonstrating leadership skills. Rogue is good at this kind of team, Storm is good in other kind of teams.

Let's not get confused.

By the way, i love Rogue's new haircut, but i miss yellow in her uniforms. Am I the only one that gets the impression that Rogue's uniform is not as sexy as the previous ones..? Lack of any Cajun to tease with maybe..?:whatever:

[04nbod]

i think this costume is beautiful - no need for a skin tight outfit to be sexy- and her mothers there lol

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

I'm fine with the costume. I miss the yellow, but this is just as good.

[@JeanGrey]

I never said i dont like it. Im just not really so used to Rogue wearing not so stretchy outfits.

[04nbod]

she's matured lol

[Snikt 6]

i think this costume is beautiful - no need for a skin tight outfit to be sexy- and her mothers there lol

Her look is amazing. I really liked Bahalo's design.

You really don't like Kitty? Any specific reason why? I really like her character (just hated the times while she was with Excalibur and with that Wisdom dude....).

[Brainiac 8]

I have always liked Kitty, but oh well.

Personally I was ticked when they ousted Marrow, whom I loved being on the X-Men.

[Snikt 6]

I have always liked Kitty also.....she is such a cool character, and now that she is back with Colossus I am just loving it. Marrow was iffy with me for the first little bit, then I really started to like her.....then she was gone. The way they just dumped her was just wrong.

[@JeanGrey]

I do miss Marrow too... Shes a really cool character...

Kitty is indifferent to me...

[Brainiac 8]

http://wolverine.x-knights.com/fullsize/wolverine60.jpg:woot:

[Havok83]

Marrow was interesting and while I hated her at first, Kelly made me like her. The issue that did it for me was X-men 74, which was the issue with her and Archangel. Brought out a whole different side to Marrow.

I think she got ruined though hte minute Davis took over and beautified her. He took everything that made her cool and interesting and completely destroyed her character. She wasnt the same and was changed for the worse. I havent had any use for Marrow after that

[04nbod]

Her look is amazing. I really liked Bahalo's design.

You really don't like Kitty? Any specific reason why? I really like her character (just hated the times while she was with Excalibur and with that Wisdom dude....).

i think kitty is a waste of space- other than her relationship with colossus i can't recall anything major that has happened with her. her power is boring- you've seen it once you've seen it all- hence why they gave her martial arts skills. she has no central dilemma- she's happy being an mutant and loves being a jew- its not like she has a central problem to her character. i think there are lot more characters out there that deserve her place on the team and would be far more interesting to see.

[danielisthor]

i think kitty is a waste of space- other than her relationship with colossus i can't recall anything major that has happened with her. her power is boring- you've seen it once you've seen it all- hence why they gave her martial arts skills. she has no central dilemma- she's happy being an mutant and loves being a jew- its not like she has a central problem to her character. i think there are lot more characters out there that deserve her place on the team and would be far more interesting to see.


My only response to this is, you just don't know Kitty Pryde all that well then.

[04nbod]

well i do try and keep away from what she's in- but those are the main reasons i really don't like her

[Brainiac 8]

Bod, does that mean you don't read Astonishing?:huh:

[04nbod]

nope

[04nbod]

i read ultimate though- only because of iceman rogue cyclops and jean

[Brainiac 8]

Which comics do you read then?

I think I read the current main X-titles: X-Men, Uncanny, Astonishing, New X-Men, and now the X-23 mini.

I just can't get into Ultimate. The only Ultimate I read is Spider-Man.

[04nbod]

i read x men. first class. ultimate x men.
and DC titles. i never got into spiderman either- i tend to read what i started reading as a kid- x men and supergirl(i know,i know- but i can't let kara go).
i'm thinking of picking up some nightwing but i can't choose between his solo or outsiders. i might also pick up justice, ross is too good

[Brainiac 8]

I'm just an X-Fanatic. :O

As far as DC = Superman and Action Comics and Superman/Batman. (As Superman is still and always will be my favorite hero)

I just can't get into Supergirl, the comic just seems to have been on a constant low point. I loved her arc in Superman/Batman though.

[04nbod]

yeah i bought that as a trade. i was raised on her awful movie so i can't let her go- and maybe that explains my standards

[Brainiac 8]

Yes, the movie was definitly awful. :O

It's ok though, it was better than X3. :eek: :ninja:

[04nbod]

x3 was alright but not half as good as it had the potential to be- those who didn't know anything about x men in my friendship circle really liked it

[Snikt 6]

^Well now you have just GOT to pick up Astonishing!!!!

[04nbod]

is it a kitty pryde love fest. and is wolverine the central character. is emma slutty?
because these are the main reasons i don't pick up. if my view is misguided i'd be happy to pick it up.

[Snikt 6]

^Good questions, and fair. It is not a Kitty "love" fest. She was freatured in a few issues because she was the last X-man standing, but it worked really well into the storyline. Wolverine has some great moments, but is not the main character (unfortunatley). Emma is always......you know.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

emma's not a slut. This book(astonishing) got me to really like her.

[Snikt 6]

Well I wouldnt say she is one, but she dresses the part. I still have my doubts about her intentions....

[04nbod]

http://www.theempire.com.au/images/2006-02-03/Marvel%20Astonishing%20X-Men%20Emma%20Frost%20Bust.jpg

thats from the astonishing line which really puts me off

[Snikt 6]

^Yeah, see your point. Joss has done at developing Emma, maybe not her clothes.......its hard for me to defend Emma, she is my least favorite character, but Astonishing as a whole is a super read.

[04nbod]

i'll pick up the next issue to try.

[Snikt 6]

^Cool, comes out on the 27th. Starts a new arc, "Unstoppable" so you might want to pick up a few before that to see how they got to where they are at. Looking forward to the next X-Men arc also.....

[Brainiac 8]

So, what do you think this Pan guy was up to when he had Karima and Lady Mastermind hostage?

Sorry, new issue next week, and I we need some new conversation here. ;)

[ProfeZZor X]

So, what do you think this Pan guy was up to when he had Karima and Lady Mastermind hostage?

Sorry, new issue next week, and I we need some new conversation here. ;)

As far as I know, previews should be out for this next issue next week.

And from what I've observed in the last few issues:

1) Rogue seems to be turning into a Republican.
2) Bobby seems to be playing it cool with his crush on Mystique.
3) Sam seems happy to be working with his role model... Cable
4) Sabertooth's social interaction and loyalty with the X-Men remains uncertain.
5) Lady Mastermind and "Sentinel-Girl" are off to a slow start, but seem to be taking on a more prominent role.

[spark627]

Rogue a Republican... huh? Is that a joke?

[Snikt 6]

As far as I know, previews should be out for this next issue next week.

And from what I've observed in the last few issues:

1) Rogue seems to be turning into a Republican.
2) Bobby seems to be playing it cool with his crush on Mystique.
3) Sam seems happy to be working with his role model... Cable
4) Sabertooth's social interaction and loyalty with the X-Men remains uncertain.
5) Lady Mastermind and "Sentinel-Girl" are off to a slow start, but seem to be taking on a more prominent role.

My comments on your observations:

1) Heck yes, thats what she needs to be.
2) I think Mystique is setting Bobby up for Rogue.
3) Yeah, not to much out of Cable this first series. Cable just doesnt seem like he fits in.
4) Sabertooth should be the first one to go (I hope).
5) Well see how or if they last on this title. I really like Lady Mastermind and wonder what Carey has in store for her.

Im not sure about that Pan guy, wonder if he was the one who had those two in the lab in the first place, doesnt seem like the "Children of the Vault" really needed a lab to do their thing.

[Brainiac 8]

I think Pan is the one that ran the lab.

If you read the Excalibur series Claremont did with Xavier and Genosha, there was alot about Karima in it. She is a neat character and I hope Carey has some plans for her.

I was upset that Excalibur got lost in the shuffle after HOM. There were characters in that that were just neat. Freakshow and Karima especially.

[Snikt 6]

^Yeah, you know I totally forgot that she was in Excalibur until recently. The whole Excalibur series with Prof X and Magneto was so poorly planned out, seems like Marvel is doing that alot. There is little follow through.

[Brainiac 8]

It was a great story, written well...but like you said, Marvel kind of took a dump on it and on Claremont when HOM happened, then they depowered all of the characters Claremont created for that series, many of whom were very interesting.

It's too bad though, because the story was very well done.

[Snikt 6]

Do you know which charactes were depowered from that series off the top of your head?

[Brainiac 8]

Wicked, Freakshow, Callisto, Xavier, Magneto

Those are the ones off the top of my head that I can remember.

Given time Xavier and Mags should have their powers back.
I was upset by it though, because I thought Freakshow was a great character.

Jullien is now on the New X-Men so he is still around.

[spark627]

My comments on your observations:

1) Heck yes, thats what she needs to be.
2) I think Mystique is setting Bobby up for Rogue.
3) Yeah, not to much out of Cable this first series. Cable just doesnt seem like he fits in.
4) Sabertooth should be the first one to go (I hope).
5) Well see how or if they last on this title. I really like Lady Mastermind and wonder what Carey has in store for her.

Im not sure about that Pan guy, wonder if he was the one who had those two in the lab in the first place, doesnt seem like the "Children of the Vault" really needed a lab to do their thing.

Sorry but Rogue is def not a Republican... lol god forbid

[Snikt 6]

Wicked, Freakshow, Callisto, Xavier, Magneto

Those are the ones off the top of my head that I can remember.

Given time Xavier and Mags should have their powers back.
I was upset by it though, because I thought Freakshow was a great character.

Jullien is now on the New X-Men so he is still around.

I gotta look throgh my old issues, so that is where I knew Jullien from!

I hope Prof X gets his powers back soon. Yeah Freakshow and Wicked were cool. Didnt care for Callisto and her little tenticle thingys though. Thanks.

And why in the world wouldn't Rogue be an Republican? :cwink:

[Specter313]

Wicked, Freakshow, Callisto, Xavier, Magneto

Those are the ones off the top of my head that I can remember.

Given time Xavier and Mags should have their powers back.
I was upset by it though, because I thought Freakshow was a great character.

Jullien is now on the New X-Men so he is still around.

Basically, everyone who was still on the island was likely depowered, except for maybe the Dark Beast.

Besides the ones you listed, there were Shola Inkose, Hub, Hack, Purge, and Unus.

And was Julien ever in that? I started on that title on i think its second arc, and I don't ever remember seeing him. Shola was their resident telekinetic.

[Brainiac 8]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Freakshow.png/340px-Freakshow.png (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/94/Freakshow.png)

One of the best parts in Excalibur was when Freakshow ate Unus and he gave him indigestion, until he barfed him out.:woot:

[Brainiac 8]

Basically, everyone who was still on the island was likely depowered, except for maybe the Dark Beast.

Besides the ones you listed, there were Shola Inkose, Hub, Hack, Purge, and Unus.

And was Julien ever in that? I started on that title on i think its second arc, and I don't ever remember seeing him. Shola was their resident telekinetic.

I'm sorry, you are correct...it was Unus, not julien.

My bad. :O

Plus good memory, thanks for naming the rest of them...like you said, basically everyone on Genosha ended up depowered. Sugarman was killed, and Dark Beast is still MIA.

[Snikt 6]

I really hope Dark Beast doesnt show up for a long long time...but you know he eventually will. I still feel that House of M was a lazy way of writing alot of charactes out of the XMU.

[Brainiac 8]

Yes it was, and that was my biggest gripe against HOM. It was lazy writing. Plus it was a disservice to the rest of the X-writers, because it seriously messed up some stories people were in the process of writing.

Such as New X-Men. While I am loving the series right now, many of the characters in the book I loved (Sophia and Laurie) are now gone or dead, as is most of the old cast. Fortunately, at least they are keeping David around.

[Specter313]

I'm sorry, you are correct...it was Unus, not julien.

My bad. :O

Plus good memory, thanks for naming the rest of them...like you said, basically everyone on Genosha ended up depowered. Sugarman was killed, and Dark Beast is still MIA.

Yeah, it sucked. I liked the three kids who the adults were kinda tutoring, and Hub. Well, we also haven't heard anything from some of the minor characters they met on the island, such as Book and Broadband, or those pirates, Stripmine and Appraiser, so there's a chance they stuck around, but since they were so minor, I doubt they made the cut.

[Snikt 6]

^I actually picked up New X-Men after HOM and I just love it. Outstanding writing and art, so I am not as heartbroken about some of the characters as most of you are, but I am reading alot of back issues and they were great characters. That is why I love X-Men so much, because Carey really does a great job of giving us some really great charactirization which many many other titles sorley need.

[ProfeZZor X]

Rogue a Republican... huh? Is that a joke?

I'm referring to her way of doing things without the concent of the team or other X-Men as a whole.

1) Using the nanobots on Sabertooth.
2) Using confidential tactics against the enemy without briefing her teammates (exploding the Suncatcher).
3) Commandeering the Conquistador without the concent of headmasters Cyke or Emma.
4) Moving out of the mansion without informing her own teammates.

Those are Republican-like decisions, not Democratic decisions.

[ProfeZZor X]

I wasn't a big fan of the Genosha mutants, except for Freakshow. Although, I think he had potential with his powers, such as having the ability to transform into other mutated or alien-like creatures other than just the one he did... A Beast Boy ripoff... maybe. But without the green skin and comedic attitude.

[Rogue's Hand]

I'm referring to her way of doing things without the concent of the team or other X-Men as a whole.

1) Using the nanobots on Sabertooth.
2) Using confidential tactics against the enemy without briefing her teammates (exploding the Suncatcher).
3) Commandeering the Conquistador without the concent of headmasters Cyke or Emma.
4) Moving out of the mansion without informing her own teammates.

Those are Republican-like decisions, not Democratic decisions.
I'm a Democrat, but I love these decisions she made :woot:

[@JeanGrey]

I'm referring to her way of doing things without the concent of the team or other X-Men as a whole.

1) Using the nanobots on Sabertooth.
2) Using confidential tactics against the enemy without briefing her teammates (exploding the Suncatcher).
3) Commandeering the Conquistador without the concent of headmasters Cyke or Emma.
4) Moving out of the mansion without informing her own teammates.

Those are Republican-like decisions, not Democratic decisions.

Huh..?:wow: If anything, i could never consider Rogue a Republican

About 4), how do we know that it is her own desicion? I mean, maybe there was such a meeting that was simply not written.

[spark627]

I'm referring to her way of doing things without the concent of the team or other X-Men as a whole.

1) Using the nanobots on Sabertooth.
2) Using confidential tactics against the enemy without briefing her teammates (exploding the Suncatcher).
3) Commandeering the Conquistador without the concent of headmasters Cyke or Emma.
4) Moving out of the mansion without informing her own teammates.

Those are Republican-like decisions, not Democratic decisions.

We don't know if she made decisions without her team. But she is the leader, they don't need to stick around if they don't like her decisions.

I have a hard time hearing the word Republican in relation to something I love...

[iamlegend]

We don't know if she made decisions without her team. But she is the leader, they don't need to stick around if they don't like her decisions.

I have a hard time hearing the word Republican in relation to something I love...

Can we just leave the political references to the Civil War comics and move on? No need to go starting any debates on here folks.

[ProfeZZor X]

Huh..?:wow: If anything, i could never consider Rogue a Republican

About 4), how do we know that it is her own desicion? I mean, maybe there was such a meeting that was simply not written.

If you saw the last issue, judging by the surprised look on Sam's face, and everyone else in that panel, I'd say she failed to inform the other teammembers of that little detail.

And the Republican remark was in reference to taking matters in her own hands... Kind of like the way our country is run now. But enough with political references. You guys get the point.

[Snikt 6]

^Yep, so anyways........how do you guys feel about Ramos penciling the next couple of issues?

My answer - I actually got all the Wolverine issues he penciled, and I am SO glad he is off that title. But then he lands on the great book......just can't win.

[04nbod]

rogue's definitely republican- she's from the bible belt after all

[Brainiac 8]

I am not looking forward to Ramos pencilling the next couple of issues.

I'm only sticking them out because of Carey's great writing.

[Snikt 6]

^Yeah, me to. Looking forward to a new bad guy also! Wonder if Carey will follow up on Iceman's recent power revelations. Pretty pysched about the next issue, to bad we still have a week to wait.....

[Rogue's Hand]

I'm looking forward to Carey not much Ramos.
His art is okay, but it's too manga-ish :huh:
Japanimation has to have been an influence, LOL
I really hope Carey gives Rogue her new powers!
Being that I'm a huge Rogue fan every issue
is a ticking time bomb for me! LOL!

Something is going to happen, I can see it in her eyes!
She's never been this dark before! The suspense is killing me!
To be honest w/ you, Rogue is the hugest marvel underdog IMO
because people feel she steals everyone's powers which
doesn't classify her having the power she acquires by touch as her own.
And honestly, they do become her own, writers just haven't taken her
to that next level yet. What would happen if Rogue absorbed the powers
of an "Omega" level mutant permanently? Would she become an Omega?
Or does her level remain the same, just w/ the power ability?
I am dying to know who's powers are hers NEXT.
Imagine her with Telepathic abilities! She'd be so lethal!
A fire witch, LOL I can just see it! Then the sexy costumes evolve.
It can be like she's revamped. I also can't wait for when Gambit & Sunfire
come back to get revenge on her! :ninja: :ninja:
I love this comic! :woot:

[Snikt 6]

^Wow, that is the most excited I have senn ANYONE on this site....pretty cool. :yay: Rogue is a great character and I have been waiting a long time for her to step out of the group and become a leader. With her abilities is hard to imagine someone more powerful (on a Mutant level, not a Thanos or whatever) walking around.

I hope Gambit and Sunfire trip and fall into a time warp and come out right before the whole horseman thing....where is Gateway anyways? :cwink:

[Brainiac 8]

Stuck in the never ending abyss Marvel puts all the forgotten characters.:whatever:

Characters like Blaqsmith.

[Specter313]

is a ticking time bomb for me! LOL!

Something is going to happen, I can see it in her eyes!
She's never been this dark before! The suspense is killing me!

Well, are we sure it will definitely happen with her powers? And that this newer darker Rogue is connected to that? I think this darkness is because we've yet to see her fully grieve over her relationship ending with Gambit, and I'm expecting a big emotional breakdown from her in the near future.

[Brainiac 8]

Makes sense. ^

[Snikt 6]

I dunno. I don't see Rogue having a big emotional breakdown, I think she will use that in a positive and maybe grow stronger.

[Rogue's Hand]

Well, are we sure it will definitely happen with her powers? And that this newer darker Rogue is connected to that? I think this darkness is because we've yet to see her fully grieve over her relationship ending with Gambit, and I'm expecting a big emotional breakdown from her in the near future.
Carey said these powers wouldn't be her permanent ones :woot:

[Brainiac 8]

^I would like to see the old Rogue powers again, but if Carey is planning on getting rid of her fire abilities, I'll be ok with that. :D

I think it would be great to have the character finally get a handle on her powers.

[mightiest_mortal]

^I would like to see the old Rogue powers again, but if Carey is planning on getting rid of her fire abilities, I'll be ok with that. :D

I think it would be great to have the character finally get a handle on her powers.

Yeah, im not too keen on the fire powers either. If she just uses her absorbing powers with inteligence and cunning she'l be very powerful on her own.

[Snikt 6]

^She needs to be able to recall any power she has absorbed. Period. That is her power, right? I would love it if they would just allow her to be as powerful as she was ment to be.

[04nbod]

yes i have always said that is her power but she was still growing.- a bit like jean grey in some continuities (like the movies) grows into her powers- in a way.

[Snikt 6]

^That was always my vision also. I just hope Carey agrees!

[ProfeZZor X]

Previews for Next week's #194 issue:

http://www.popcultureshock.com/index.php?p=40813

[Snikt 6]

Thanks for the post. I am so ready for Ramos' arc to be done....and it hasn't even started. The art is just....bad.

[mightiest_mortal]

hmm looks funky

[Snikt 6]

looks bad. dang.

[Brainiac 8]

Agree...just bad. :o

[Snikt 6]

He is only suppose to fill in for this arc, right? :huh:

[Rogue's Hand]

Thanks for the post. I am so ready for Ramos' arc to be done....and it hasn't even started. The art is just....bad.
Yeah man, it is :csad:

[Snikt 6]

I am a Bachalo fan, so seeing the drop off in looks is very evident. I miss Bachalo already..

[@JeanGrey]

Bleah...:csad:

God make him go away! How obsessed can he be with boobs? It's bad. Too bad. Not good for X-Men comics at all

[Snikt 6]

^Yeah, same thing he did on Wolverine. Pathetic.

[mightiest_mortal]

How obsessed can he be with boobs?
As lest hes obsessed with something healthy

[Snikt 6]

Now if only he could draw a normal sized neck and face. Oh yeah, and body and arms would be cool....

[04nbod]

^^^he needs to learn to draw- maybe some life art lessons are required

[Red Mask]

^She needs to be able to recall any power she has absorbed. Period. That is her power, right? I would love it if they would just allow her to be as powerful as she was ment to be.

Whatever state is it, she's not getting any from Carol this month. (Ms. Marvel #10) If she wants the Marvel powers so bad, she can trek through outer space and touch the female Captain Marvel. Give her a nice long kiss!

[Havok83]

^She needs to be able to recall any power she has absorbed. Period. That is her power, right? I would love it if they would just allow her to be as powerful as she was ment to be.
oh I hope not. I hated when she could do that. Made her too powerful. It was way too convenient and boring. I like how unpredictable and strategic she is now

[Snikt 6]

^^^he needs to learn to draw- maybe some life art lessons are required

That would do wonders! :cwink:

[Snikt 6]

oh I hope not. I hated when she could do that. Made her too powerful. It was way too convenient and boring. I like how unpredictable and strategic she is now

All depends who writes her. I think Carey would keep it in check, but I see where you are coming from. Would be fun though!

[Specter313]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0612/20/xmen194c.jpg


http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0612/20/xmen1941.jpg


http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0612/20/xmen1942.jpg


http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0612/20/xmen1943.jpg


http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0612/20/xmen1944.jpg


http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0612/20/xmen1945.jpg


http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0612/20/xmen1946.jpg

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

yup, i like it

[Snikt 6]

Really? Did you see Lady Mastermind or Scott? Ugh.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Yeah, Doesn't Upset Me. Lol

[Specter313]

Yeah, Doesn't Upset Me. Lol
Well, you're clearly just insane then. :p

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

:( Alot of people are starting to think that.

[Xplicit Content]

rotfl...Lady Mastermind and Mystique's tiddies are IMMENSE! I give Ramos props for being abe to contain all of his cleavage into the panels.

[Valechan]

Concerning the new artwork... I think it's a bit childish... all in all it will certainly makes us appreciate Bachalo's work even more when he returns

[Snikt 6]

^Ah, couldn't agree more.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Ok, I will hate on one thing. why does he have to draw the boobs so big?That's not kool.

[Mogwai]

they are a bit excessive..

[04nbod]

oh I hope not. I hated when she could do that. Made her too powerful. It was way too convenient and boring. I like how unpredictable and strategic she is now

i wouldn't want her to have total control of her powers- that totally takes away from rogues dilemma. it wouldn't be interesting if she never knew when she would be able to have all those powers at her disposal

[Brainiac 8]

See that art. It's just not good, his people have those jagged chins and huge necks. It's also too animeish.

Plus like was stated his fixation on boobs detract from his art. Believe me, I appreciate the breast as much as the next male, but it is just distracting in his panels.

[ProfeZZor X]

I can understand the fact that comic book characters can be drawn contorted from time to time, but Ramos' work is riduculously ugly and disproportionate. I will give him credit for nailing down facial expressions though, but that's as far as I go.

[Snikt 6]

I can understand the fact that comic book characters can be drawn contorted from time to time, but Ramos' work is riduculously ugly and disproportionate. I will give him credit for nailing down facial expressions though, but that's as far as I go.

^Well, I guess thats one thing......to bad that shouldn't be enough for a gig on X-men. :whatever:

[bengan]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0612/20/xmen194c.jpg



Maybe its something wrong with me, I hated this guys art the first time I saw it , but This is actually ok. I mean the boobs is ...wrong, just wrong, but other then taht its ok.

[The Cajun]

Maybe its something wrong with me, I hated this guys art the first time I saw it , but This is actually ok. I mean the boobs is ...wrong, just wrong, but other then taht its ok.[/LEFT]

Well Ramos can't draw woman to save his life but his Cable and Sabretooth don't look bad.

I'm really liking X-Men and thinking of picking up either Uncanny or Astonishing now. Which do you lot recommend?

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

X-factor & New x-men

[AndThePickles]

X-factor & New x-men

Seconded.
And go ahead and buy Astonishing, but you'll have to make sure you get ALL of the issues IMO. They're all worth a read.

[bengan]

I havnt read x-factor, but everyone is saying how great it is so you should probobly check it out. I love New X-men, allthough it has changed A LOT during its last arcs. And you HAVE to read Astonishing. The writing is just superb. And the art leaves you breathless.:heart: :heart:

[The Cajun]

I was thinking of giving New X-Men a go. Where would people reccomend I start from?

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

wow, You should post this in the New X-men thread instead, everyone has an opinion there.

[AndThePickles]

I was thinking of giving New X-Men a go. Where would people reccomend I start from?

Start with New Mutants.

[Snikt 6]

I havnt read x-factor, but everyone is saying how great it is so you should probobly check it out. I love New X-men, allthough it has changed A LOT during its last arcs. And you HAVE to read Astonishing. The writing is just superb. And the art leaves you breathless.:heart: :heart:


Agree, Astonishing is your MUST buy. Then New X-Men is next, it is just a great great team. X-Men (Rogue's team) is a great read becuase Carey is just amazing, I would pick up the SuperNova's arc, thats all you will need. Uncanny is a good read, but you would have to start at the begining of this arc to understand whats going on, actually you might even have to pick up the LS Deadly Genisis because if gives alot of backstory on some of the characters that are running around in Uncanny.

[bengan]

Well Uncanny has an interesting team, but I really dont care for the story and I HATE stories that invilve space. Its just to off for me.:cwink: So it really a matter of personal taste.

[Snikt 6]

^Yeah, the team is great....but in space....blah.

[Havok83]

Start with New Mutants.
while that helps, it really isnt necesary. One could jump in with New X-men 20

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

while that helps, it really isnt necesary. One could jump in with New X-men 20
One would RATHER jump into New X-men 20.

[bengan]

One would RATHER jump into New X-men 20.
NONONONONONONONONONO!!! u need to read them all. This book was great even before all the action, death and tragic settings. Please read them all, the team is great and the stories too. Just give it a shot:yay:

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

NONONONONONONONONONO!!! u need to read them all. This book was great even before all the action, death and tragic settings. Please read them all, the team is great and the stories too. Just give it a shot:yay:
No, see, I loved The book since issue 4. I just don't want a newcomer to become attached to any character because he or she may currently be dead, and That could upset them.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Better Idea. read issue 20-Now, THEN read the back issues.

[Snikt 6]

^I started around 20 and while the back issues are alright, if you were to just pick up the book I gotta agree with COMICBOY, 20 is a great place to start.

[Brainiac 8]

Who else is going to get stuck buying the overpriced hardcover of Carey's first year. I know I will be... :csad:

Doesn't the new issue with *coughRamoscoughsuckyartcough* come out tomorrow?

[Valechan]

Who else is going to get stuck buying the overpriced hardcover of Carey's first year. I know I will be... :(

And that's why buying the comics every month beats buying tpbs :p

[Brainiac 8]

And that's why buying the comics every month beats buying tpbs :p

What's sad is that I am buying the issues every month....TPB just make it easier to read all in one shot. :O

[Valechan]

That sounds very very lazy my friend :p

[Brainiac 8]

it is. :csad: :O

[ProfeZZor X]

So why do it?... You mean to tell me that you like being in that kind of living hell for so long, while everyone else enjoys the spoils of Carey's work?

[Brainiac 8]

So why do it?... You mean to tell me that you like being in that kind of living hell for so long, while everyone else enjoys the spoils of Carey's work?

no no no, don't missunderstand me. I am reading the book and buy it every month, so I'm not holding out for the TPB.

Usually after a really good run, I will buy the TPB form for easier reading...so effectively I end up buying the story twice. I only do that for runs that are extremely good though.

[Snikt 6]

^That would be nice.......but I just love the feel of the comic rather than the TPB's.

[ProfeZZor X]

^That would be nice.......but I just love the feel of the comic rather than the TPB's.

Me too... Although, when I was in the Philippines for a vacation this year, I picked up the "X-Men: Children Of The Atom" TPB and it was a very good read. I bought the first two issues, but never finished it, due to impatience. So on the way there, and all during my stay (since there was no comic book shop in sight), I read it many times over. I guess that was my first TPB ever purchased.

[ProfeZZor X]

So how many of you are still pumped on Carey's work, and how many of you are over the "newness" of his team and writing style?

[Brainiac 8]

So how many of you are still pumped on Carey's work, and how many of you are over the "newness" of his team and writing style?


Thus far, I am really enjoying his work on the title. I haven't been this interested in reading X-Men in years. :up:

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

So how many of you are still pumped on Carey's work, and how many of you are over the "newness" of his team and writing style?
meh

[Brainiac 8]

You're not liking the book much anymore? :huh:

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

1. It's the art (Bachalo's)
2. Why the **** would carey think i would care about "The children"? They're not the worst villians ever, but they do nothing for me.
3. It was kinda boring reading this arc. Milliigan rarely bored me (LIES!:cmad::))
4. the art.

[squeekness]

So how many of you are still pumped on Carey's work, and how many of you are over the "newness" of his team and writing style?I like the book so much better now. Anything is better than that Horseman arc. *spits on the ground*

[Havok83]

this book hasnt felt exciting since Morrison left. I think Carey is doing an amazing job with the title. The team is itnriguing. Im just waiting for Iceman to get some spotlight time bc Im sure Carey can do wonders with him

[Rogue's Hand]

I just read # 194 and I'm sorry to say Carey has me glued to his work once again, I can't wait to see what Pan has in store for Rogue, better yet
what Rogue has in store for Pan :woot:

FYI: The art wasnt as bad as I thought, or maybe it's Carey's writing which is soooo good it overlaps it:huh:

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

i'm sure the art is good.

[usagicassidy]

I love this team, I love this writer, and I'm okay with the artists thus far. It's doing a lot more for me than Uncanny is, and Astonishing only comes out once every 6 or so months so I kind of forget whats happening. And while New X-Men is near and dear to my heart, there's been far too much death. So X-Men is the book for me at the moment.

[Brainiac 8]

The X-series in general is better than it has been in years...

X-Men
Astonishing X-Men
Uncanny X-Men
New X-Men
X-23: Target X

All of these are quality books right now, makes me happy I patiently waited through the crap.:yay:

[ProfeZZor X]

I'll pick up my copy today, and see what all the hubbub is all about (Rogue's Hand). Carey's work is fantastic, but it's like getting your very first car.... You're excited for a few months, then you get use to it after a while, and seek out an even bigger thrill. I was hoping to get that thrill in Brubaker's book (since I like Darwin's character), but that's not hitting the spot either (since he's not used as much).

[Snikt 6]

^Guess we gotta wait another day for today's and next weeks comics.

I agree with the state of the X books, right now they are getting really good!

[spark627]

is the newest issue out today or delayed because of the holidays?

[Snikt 6]

^Delayed until tomorrow, and next weeks comics will be also due to the holidays.

[spark627]

aw too bad, thanks!

[squeekness]

The X-series in general is better than it has been in years...

X-Men
Astonishing X-Men
Uncanny X-Men
New X-Men
X-23: Target X

All of these are quality books right now, makes me happy I patiently waited through the crap.:yay:Don't forget X-Factor. That book is smoking right now. :D

[squeekness]

^Delayed until tomorrow, and next weeks comics will be also due to the holidays.Same for me, too. I've got a big stack coming on tomorrow.

[Brainiac 8]

Don't forget X-Factor. That book is smoking right now. :D

I would have added it, but to be honest...I haven't read X-Factor at all.:csad:

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

:eek: get on to it!! It's good. we tells the truth.

[Rogue's Hand]

I honestly love the authority they've given Rogue.
I even like the convo btwn Cyke & Sam regarding her leadership being in question (yet again :whatever: )
He handled it nicely by putting Scott in his place.
Lady M also had a nice "girl talk" with Rogue :mad: :mad: LOL!
Rogue handled it like a boss chick that she is! I love her!
She doesn't take bull from no one
Pan's intentions are definitely intriguing though:ninja:

[Snikt 6]

Same for me, too. I've got a big stack coming on tomorrow.

Yep, I'll pick it up tomorrow. Looking forward to this and Astonishing.....

[Brainiac 8]

Between X-Men, Astonishing, and my gold star Annihilation...tomorrow is going to be great.

[Havok83]

I HATE Ramos' art. Bachalo needs to hurry on back. The issue was worse than I thought it would be visually

[Snikt 6]

^I am going to pick up my copy today, but I to am dreading Ramos' art.

[Prettyboy]

I HATE Ramos' art. Bachalo needs to hurry on back. The issue was worse than I thought it would be visually

I dislike Balcho, I miss the days of the early 90's

[Snikt 6]

^You have to admit he is better than Ramos though.

[@JeanGrey]

1000 times better than Ramos...

I miss Jim Lee as well....
I liked Larocca as well. He was good most of the times...

[Brainiac 8]

Man, I loved the Jim Lee era.

The only reason I got into Gen 13 years ago was because it was a Jim Lee helmed comic series.:woot:

[Havok83]

^You have to admit he is better than Ramos though.
Yeah looking at Ramos' art made me forget all of my issues with Bachalo's current style. He is so much better. Where is Clayton Henry? Couldnt they have gotten him to fill in instead?

[ProfeZZor X]

For those that can't make it to the comic book store anytime soon, here is someone's detailed review with spoilerific information:

The issue begins with Pan talking with his henchwoman (?) Turlow. Their discussion reveals that they're setting out bait for the X-Men (and especially "her", who we know who she is cuz we read so in the solicits, duh!) to fall on their trap, starting with the hospital incident in Carey's first issue.

Cue to a splash page of Lady M drinking a whole bunch of shots in a contest in some bar. I bet the shots she's drinking is some kind of illusion, but she didn't need to do that anyway! She should just let the crowd stare at her Lefield-like boobs while she pours the alcohol bedind her back. Bah. On the foreground there are two hands pointing straight at her boobs. Like we haven't noticed already!!!!

Anyway, Lady M easily wins and then declares that Calvin Goynes (the guy they're after, a participant on the experiments on mutants like Lady M in that hospital) was her lover, so that the reactions of the crowd will point her to who he actually is. She sets an illusionary jungle to the crowd that goes against her and the chase for Goynes begins! Rogue, Iceman, Karima and Lady M all combine forces to... catch a puny human with no powers whatsoever (beyond a good sprint time)!

Wetchester. Cyke, Cable and Dead...uuum, Cannonball are almost done fixing the Conquistador. Cyke can't help to ask why Rogue decided that going off is a good idea "at these difficult times", and Cable explains that she (and most of the team) don't think they'd be much of a free agent with some giant robots being around all the time, monitoring every move. Sam says that he's going along because living in the mansion is like stepping on Jay's grave every morning. Excellent way of using current continuity for your goals, Carey!

Meanwhile, Rogue, Lady M, Karima and Bobby are interviewing Goynes, and guess what; all four of them are playing the "bad cop"! Finally, Rogue touches him and has a flashback that was conveniently placed there for her to find. She finds out that Pan is Richard Palance, a doctor that she met once when she first joined the X-Men and Xavier tried to help her out with her power issues. She also gets the words "Sea Eagle".

Xavier's. Beast is having a de-briefing on the zombie guy from the last arc. Turns out that he was dead eight days before we walked to the mansion's gates, and that something hitched a ride in his brain when he died (in some cara ccident) and used him to get there. I bet, whatever that thing is, it's hanging out in the mansion now...!

Sea Eagle warehouses. The bad soldier guys are about to torch the place up and go, when Mystique reveals herself and, along with Bobby, kicks their butts. They were too easy to beat, like they were there for that reason only. Lady M kicks a bad guy who was already down. "What? He moved!" Then Rogue sends everyone to search for clues while she gives Lady M a heartfelt, cuddly and Christmas-y talk like the one she gave Mystique in the previous arc. She pretty much threatens to get Lady M naked!!!! WTF? Lesbian alert!!!!!

Later, Rogue and Karima discover a teleport gate, which wasn't supposed to be there, or else the bad guys wouldn't try to go off in a measly truck. IT'S A TRAP!!!!! (well duh) Some "Plague Dogs" teleport there and the battle begins! Rogue can't use her fire powers or else she'll set the whole place on fire and make nice X-Souvlakis, so she fights with bare hands but to no avail! the zombie dogs capture Rogue and teleport outta there, brining her to Pan's feet.


Nice issue with lots of cool moments (even some mild Mystique/Iceman flirting!), but I dunno about the art. Some panels were groovy and some other were hideous (there's a particular one where Lady M looks like a wrinkly old lady with a massive boob-job)... so all in all the art should count as "ok". In general, pretty straight-forward stuff from Carey but with an extreme "coolness" edge.

[Mike059jig]

I never have problem with art...but this issue took me a while just to read a page....that says alot.....expecially the begining but it improved as the issue went one....a little......Now for the issue...this was a great issue...i really had to read it again cause I didn't it at fist but just needs to fill in the plot issue it left behind....mostly whats this new villian about

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

For those that can't make it to the comic book store anytime soon, here is someone's detailed review with spoilerific information:

The issue begins with Pan talking with his henchwoman (?) Turlow. Their discussion reveals that they're setting out bait for the X-Men (and especially "her", who we know who she is cuz we read so in the solicits, duh!) to fall on their trap, starting with the hospital incident in Carey's first issue.

Cue to a splash page of Lady M drinking a whole bunch of shots in a contest in some bar. I bet the shots she's drinking is some kind of illusion, but she didn't need to do that anyway! She should just let the crowd stare at her Lefield-like boobs while she pours the alcohol bedind her back. Bah. On the foreground there are two hands pointing straight at her boobs. Like we haven't noticed already!!!!

Anyway, Lady M easily wins and then declares that Calvin Goynes (the guy they're after, a participant on the experiments on mutants like Lady M in that hospital) was her lover, so that the reactions of the crowd will point her to who he actually is. She sets an illusionary jungle to the crowd that goes against her and the chase for Goynes begins! Rogue, Iceman, Karima and Lady M all combine forces to... catch a puny human with no powers whatsoever (beyond a good sprint time)!

Wetchester. Cyke, Cable and Dead...uuum, Cannonball are almost done fixing the Conquistador. Cyke can't help to ask why Rogue decided that going off is a good idea "at these difficult times", and Cable explains that she (and most of the team) don't think they'd be much of a free agent with some giant robots being around all the time, monitoring every move. Sam says that he's going along because living in the mansion is like stepping on Jay's grave every morning. Excellent way of using current continuity for your goals, Carey!

Meanwhile, Rogue, Lady M, Karima and Bobby are interviewing Goynes, and guess what; all four of them are playing the "bad cop"! Finally, Rogue touches him and has a flashback that was conveniently placed there for her to find. She finds out that Pan is Richard Palance, a doctor that she met once when she first joined the X-Men and Xavier tried to help her out with her power issues. She also gets the words "Sea Eagle".

Xavier's. Beast is having a de-briefing on the zombie guy from the last arc. Turns out that he was dead eight days before we walked to the mansion's gates, and that something hitched a ride in his brain when he died (in some cara ccident) and used him to get there. I bet, whatever that thing is, it's hanging out in the mansion now...!

Sea Eagle warehouses. The bad soldier guys are about to torch the place up and go, when Mystique reveals herself and, along with Bobby, kicks their butts. They were too easy to beat, like they were there for that reason only. Lady M kicks a bad guy who was already down. "What? He moved!" Then Rogue sends everyone to search for clues while she gives Lady M a heartfelt, cuddly and Christmas-y talk like the one she gave Mystique in the previous arc. She pretty much threatens to get Lady M naked!!!! WTF? Lesbian alert!!!!!

Later, Rogue and Karima discover a teleport gate, which wasn't supposed to be there, or else the bad guys wouldn't try to go off in a measly truck. IT'S A TRAP!!!!! (well duh) Some "Plague Dogs" teleport there and the battle begins! Rogue can't use her fire powers or else she'll set the whole place on fire and make nice X-Souvlakis, so she fights with bare hands but to no avail! the zombie dogs capture Rogue and teleport outta there, brining her to Pan's feet.


Nice issue with lots of cool moments (even some mild Mystique/Iceman flirting!), but I dunno about the art. Some panels were groovy and some other were hideous (there's a particular one where Lady M looks like a wrinkly old lady with a massive boob-job)... so all in all the art should count as "ok". In general, pretty straight-forward stuff from Carey but with an extreme "coolness" edge.
sounds like a good issue. maybe i was wrong..,.

[Snikt 6]

^Issue was really good....except (of course) for the art. Loved the Rogue getting into Lady Mastermind's grill....good stuff. Thats the Rogue I know.

I am glad Lady Mastermind and Karima got some action...finally a good scene with both of them. :cwink:

I noticed when Scott and Cable are talking that Cable mentioned that he said "It's not my decision, Scott. Not my Team, either. I'm just vistiting." Guess Carey is not going to be keeping him around in the next arc.....thoughts anyone?

Overall a good read (not to pretty to look at) and I look forward to what Pandemic wants with Rogue. :huh:

[proteus]

Cable mentioned that he said "It's not my decision, Scott. Not my Team, either. I'm just vistiting." Guess Carey is not going to be keeping him around in the next arc.....thoughts anyone?



Carey has said that he has big plans for Cable in 07 and this summer so he's not going anywhere.

[Colossal Spoons]

The issue was "meh". I'm just not really interested in this "Pan" person. I'm just waiting for the next arc so we can see some Husk :D

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

The issue was "meh". I'm just not really interested in this "Pan" person. I'm just waiting for the next arc so we can see some Husk :D
Y'know, If I didn't know her, I would've thought that was some type of porn term. Y'know, like, "showing some skin.":huh:*shrugs* Don't mind me, I'm tired and my eyes hurt.

[Rogue's Hand]

^Issue was really good....except (of course) for the art. Loved the Rogue getting into Lady Mastermind's grill....good stuff. Thats the Rogue I know.

I am glad Lady Mastermind and Karima got some action...finally a good scene with both of them. :cwink:

I noticed when Scott and Cable are talking that Cable mentioned that he said "It's not my decision, Scott. Not my Team, either. I'm just vistiting." Guess Carey is not going to be keeping him around in the next arc.....thoughts anyone?

Overall a good read (not to pretty to look at) and I look forward to what Pandemic wants with Rogue. :huh:
I also noticed Cable said that:huh:
For some strange reason I think he and Mystique got sumthing going on.
As far as Rogue?
I am so syked man!!!
I hope this is wear her powers change!!
What is Pans' mutant power exactly?
Who knows, this so called "bacteria" might enhance her?
What do you think?:hyper:

[Rogue's Hand]

The issue was "meh". I'm just not really interested in this "Pan" person. I'm just waiting for the next arc so we can see some Husk :D
Husk is cool! I still have the first issue of Generation X.
My 2nd favorite after Rogue is M :woot:

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

You ARE reading x-factor, right? You better.:cmad:

[The Cajun]

When is the annual out?

[usagicassidy]

The art in this issue wasn't so bad. I didn't enjoy it, but it wasn't bad by any means. Now if it had been Igor Kordey, I would have burned it upon opening.

[gothicFLAVOURS]

The art was pretty bad in this issue. Body proportions were out of place and what was wrong with women's lips?

I especially can't get over how bad Lady M looked, especially in this picture (I know there's some perspective with the eyes, but even with that perspective those eyes are weird):

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/5658/ladymvh7.jpg

Anyways, it was a pretty good issue. Lady Mastermind and Karima are pretty interesting characters, so I hope Carey gives them a good use.

[El Bastardo]

I haven't read the issue with it (soon shall), but I have some experience with Ramos. I read Wolverine, and he was the artist on the last... I dunno, 6, 7 issues?

My initial knee-jerk reaction was "OMG, this art sucks. The people have freakin' GIRAFFE necks." And then... Well, I'm pretty sure his art cleaned up a little in later issues, but I also grew accustomed to it, and wound up liking it. So I'm figuring I won't have many problems with the issue, or this arc, but that's because I do dig the style now. Yeah, it has its problems, and proportions are one of those problems, and that posted pic has a really scary eye, but I can sweep that under the rug. Ramos kinda reminds me of MAD on X-Men, and I miss MAD.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

I haven't read the issue with it (soon shall), but I have some experience with Ramos. I read Wolverine, and he was the artist on the last... I dunno, 6, 7 issues?

My initial knee-jerk reaction was "OMG, this art sucks. The people have freakin' GIRAFFE necks." And then... Well, I'm pretty sure his art cleaned up a little in later issues, but I also grew accustomed to it, and wound up liking it. So I'm figuring I won't have many problems with the issue, or this arc, but that's because I do dig the style now. Yeah, it has its problems, and proportions are one of those problems, and that posted pic has a really scary eye, but I can sweep that under the rug. Ramos kinda reminds me of MAD on X-Men, and I miss MAD.
See, that's EXACTLY what I went through. When I first saw his art, it was a wolverine civil war tie in. I was Like, "WTH is wrong with his head? His ****ing ARM is BIGGER than his HEAD! This is bull****!!" But i grew to love it.:up:

[gothicFLAVOURS]

Now that I read what Lady M says in the picture I posted, it seems to fit this discussion, "whatever gets the job done, right?" lol.

Anyways, I'm glad Carey's in charge of this book right now. His issues are amazing plotwise. The only flaws I see in his work are most of the sentences in Spanish. He could get some help from someone who can speak spanish.

[El Bastardo]

See, that's EXACTLY what I went through. When I first saw his art, it was a wolverine civil war tie in. I was Like, "WTH is wrong with his head? His ****ing ARM is BIGGER than his HEAD! This is bull****!!" But i grew to love it.:up:

I was so afraid when I saw my post quoted. Figured you'd be the first person ready to tighten the noose. But yay, you agree! So now you can help me fight off the people who will inevitably be wanting to tighten the noose around both our necks.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

but of course.:woot:

[Snikt 6]

The art was pretty bad in this issue. Body proportions were out of place and what was wrong with women's lips?

I especially can't get over how bad Lady M looked, especially in this picture (I know there's some perspective with the eyes, but even with that perspective those eyes are weird):

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/5658/ladymvh7.jpg

Anyways, it was a pretty good issue. Lady Mastermind and Karima are pretty interesting characters, so I hope Carey gives them a good use.

Ugh. Lady Mastermind was just done bad all issue.

I do think Carey is the perfect writer for this series, and I can't wait to see what he has in store for this X-team. I look forward to Bachalo's art already.

So has Carey said anything about Cable sticking around? He might have some solo stuff scheduled...but I am not sure. Anyone hear anything about that?

[spark627]

I really liked this issue, this story has me hooked and intrigued. Call me crazy, but I kinda liked the art. There were some rough spots, but I thought Rogue looked great.

Confused about one thing, what is strain 87?? What did Pan mean about being Typhoid Mary in reverse?

[mightiest_mortal]

I liked the art aswell, sure it was a little overly stylized in places, but it was certainly a lot clearer to follow than some of Bachelos work.

[Galact-Gal]

I really liked this issue, this story has me hooked and intrigued. Call me crazy, but I kinda liked the art. There were some rough spots, but I thought Rogue looked great.

Confused about one thing, what is strain 87?? What did Pan mean about being Typhoid Mary in reverse?

This is absolute speculation on my part...but maybe he means instead of spreading a disease, he intends to spread a cure? Like maybe a cure for mutants who lost their powers?

[mightiest_mortal]

This is absolute speculation on my part...but maybe he means instead of spreading a disease, he intends to spread a cure? Like maybe a cure for mutants who lost their powers?
hmmm thats an interesting idea :) only we know he was experimenting on mutants for his research than had to stop after Mday.. which would assume it hand't happened yet when he started his plan

[Snikt 6]

^Yeah, good point. I wonder if he is going to try and "cure" Rogue.

[ProfeZZor X]

This is absolute speculation on my part...but maybe he means instead of spreading a disease, he intends to spread a cure? Like maybe a cure for mutants who lost their powers?

That's an interesting theory, but what would be his reasoning for re-powering mutants? He captures and mutilates them for parts...

Given, every new procedure needs a few test subjects, but if he's already infected with the strain, and already has the ability to do whatever he can do now, it would make no sense to continue to kill other mutants.

[iamlegend]

This is absolute speculation on my part...but maybe he means instead of spreading a disease, he intends to spread a cure? Like maybe a cure for mutants who lost their powers?


I sincerely hope not. M-Day only just happened. Lets not erase its effects this soon.

[squeekness]

Just guessing, but does anyone else wonder if PAN is Sinister in disguise?

[Galact-Gal]

I was thinking he might be Dark Beast reverted back to human (thanks to Wanda). But if this Pan character was experimenting on mutants before M-Day, then I'm wrong. Bad Ol' McCoy was stuck on Genosha before House of M happened.

[El Bastardo]

The Beast's mutation (both 616 Beast and, I'm pretty sure, AoA Dark Beast) is not the fur and shape change. The bodily transformation was initiated by chemical experimentation, not genetic mutation.

But it's a neat idea that Pan could be Sinister in disguise. It's not unlikely at all, and really, not a whole ton has been done with Sinister lately. He showed up in Hine's Colossus: Bloodlines mini as having to suck up other mutants' powers since he was losing his, but that series was godawful, and it wouldn't surprise me if it is or has been ignored. I pray it has. We've only otherwise seen him in the epilogue to Milligan's equally godawful Apocalypse arc. So, I <3 that idea, your royal squeekness!

Otherwise, I liked this issue. Some badassitude from Lady Mastermind and Rogue, zinger from Mystique, one-liners from Iceman, and I liked the exchange between Cyclops and Cable. Though it would've been nice to see some input from Cable during the Cyclops-Cannonball exchange. Cable -was- a father figure to Cannonball. The art, I thought, was equally fine - sure, some issues, but all in all I like Ramos's art to Bachalo's, even with Bachalo's work cleaned up as it has been.

[emmymae]

Hi,
I'm new. I haven't made it to the comic book store lately. I quit reading for 11 years and just got myself back into the comics. I have decided that I would wait for the TPB's, see how the year's story arcs work out and then decide which one to buy. Thankfully, I can get issue summaries on Uncannyxmen.net. I know not the best way, but I am so busy that I have to do that and I don't want 100's of loose comic books.

Anyway, my thoughts on the latest events in the X-Men book. I like that Rogue is an empowered leader, she deserves it. I just keep thinking about how much I miss Gambit and the Romy love. Poor Rogue has lost the love of her life for now, though I know she doesn't have much time to be sad right now. I don't know what this Pan guy will portend. I'm just not interested in the latest story arcs, even with Rogue in a major role. I love her as much as Gambit. And it's not like they can't stand on their own, they can, it's just why should they? I know he's evil right now, but they have got to find a way to fix what happened. I just want the romance. The comics just aren't as romantic as they used to be.:heart:

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Welcome, Newbie!:woot:

[emmymae]

Thanks. I think the X-Men are the best comic book characters ever.

[Havok83]

The Beast's mutation (both 616 Beast and, I'm pretty sure, AoA Dark Beast) is not the fur and shape change. The bodily transformation was initiated by chemical experimentation, not genetic mutation.
except that Morrison (and Claremont in X-treme) said that Beast's current cat look was a part of his secondary mutation. I think the chemical was responsible for him turning blue but based on New X-men, it looked like he would eventually change for. The chemical was only a catalyst that allowed it to happen earlier

[Harlekin]

Claremont actually said something else entirely. He had Sage speed up Beast's natural evolution in order to make his body heal his wounds quicker. Claremont implied in no way that it was a secondary mutation. The contrary, in fact.

[Snikt 6]

^Either way, this look is horrible on him and I hope that someday soon we will see Beast as he was before Morrison got ahold of him.

[squeekness]

I don't mind cat-Beast, it just depends on who's drawing him.

[Galact-Gal]

Unfortunately, Cat-Beast reminds me of Morrison's run...which I really don't want to be reminded of.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

cat beast kicked wolverine's ass.

[Galact-Gal]

cat beast kicked wolverine's ass.

Are you speaking metaphorically? If not, when was this? (Perks up at the thought of a Wolverine a$$ kicking :yay: )

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Well, i thought he did a good job in Astonishing X-men #3

[Galact-Gal]

Let me go back & read that one over again. :woot:

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

That issue, for me, made Beast kool. NO one, not even a 5'3" midget, ****s with Hank McCoy, you heard.

[squeekness]

cat beast kicked wolverine's ass.I don't know. Does knawing on his leg and eating it count as an ass wupping? :p

[El Bastardo]

Thanks, Harlekin. :up:

I miss classic Ape Beast, but Cat Beast has grown on me if for no better reason than Cassaday's art. That said, most other artists draw a horrendous Beast, with often differeng looks, but I don't think Ramos did too bad a job.

And yes, Beast whooped on Wolverine. Not to mention what he did to Danger.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Beast is badass.

[Havok83]

Thanks, Harlekin. :up:

I miss classic Ape Beast, but Cat Beast has grown on me if for no better reason than Cassaday's art. That said, most other artists draw a horrendous Beast, with often differeng looks, but I don't think Ramos did too bad a job.

And yes, Beast whooped on Wolverine. Not to mention what he did to Danger.
I hate cat Beast in every form. He needs to go back to old look ASAP

[bengan]

I like CatBeast, apart from those times when he looks like Tony the Tiger...

[@JeanGrey]

I dont like cat look in beast, even if the artist is excellent
I just can't get it, this look...it doesn't make Mackoy to me

And Galact-Gal, i would like ur idea about the 'cure' from M-day. Maybe this way Rogue's mutation moves to a level where she won;t be able to control it in a matter of speaking, but just because she is Rogue she will grit her teeth, show her fist and get things her own way...
:hyper:

[Snikt 6]

Cat-Beast just plain.......stinks. The pre-Morrison Beast was so much better, and look how cool Hank is in X-Men First Class without the blue fur, I think I prefer him like that.

The Beast is cool for finding stuff out, research or a funny line or two...but thats about it.