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Kevin D. Comicboy

01-01-2007, 11:48 PM

I also like FC beast. He's funny.

supermarvelman

01-02-2007, 02:34 AM

Cat-Beast just plain.......stinks. The pre-Morrison Beast was so much better, and look how cool Hank is in X-Men First Class without the blue fur, I think I prefer him like that.

The Beast is cool for finding stuff out, research or a funny line or two...but thats about it.

Feline-Beast is cool, it just depends on whose drawing him.

Kevin D. Comicboy

01-02-2007, 02:46 AM

Feline-Beast is cool, it just depends on whose drawing him.
:woot:

supermarvelman

01-02-2007, 02:52 AM

Really the character is always the same whether he is in his human form, blue-human form, or his feline form. If more people could draw feline Beast as good as Paco Medina, more people would like this version of the character.

Do you guys realize that every form of the Beast is present in the 616 universe.

Human Beast - is locked up (New Excalibur)
Blue-Human Beast - Dark Beast last seen in Genosha (Excalibur)
Feline Beast - Astonishing and all other X-titles.

Snikt 6

01-02-2007, 09:33 AM

^Yep, three to many. :woot:

Just kidding.....you are right though, Beast is internally the same, but I just like the look of the Beast in anything that is not cat-like.

squeekness

01-02-2007, 10:57 AM

Actually, I thought that Evolution Beast or gorilla Beast, was pretty well done, too. :)

proteus

01-02-2007, 05:45 PM

New interview with Mike Carey:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=9274

El Bastardo

01-02-2007, 06:27 PM

That interview was an awesome read. I'm loving Carey's work on X-Men so far, even more that Bachalo is currently off the title (for once I wasn't searching longingly for ten minutes at panels to make sure I wasn't missing something), and that interview has me itching for more.

And can I just say that Carey and Nicieza working together for the Cable character puts all my fears to rest, and absolutely rocks? Yeah, I just wanted to get that out there. :woot: :woot: :woot: :woot:

emmymae

01-02-2007, 06:59 PM

The X-Men book is certainly taking a departure from it has been. It's changed so much. The coming events sound very exciting and I'm glad Rogue is a huge part of it. She at last gets to do some important stuff and call the shots. The only thing I could be disappointed with is that I read some earlier interview with Mike Carey and he said that we might see Gambit in #200 if not before then, and then I read this interview and he made no mention of him. I fear we might be down one character for a while to come. I have to confess I don't like Mystique or Sabertooth, and I don't know Iceman and Cable as well as I know Rogue, so there's only one character I feel a strong connection to. Otherwise, I'm a bit lost and have no vested interest in anyone other than Rogue on this team. And I eagerly await the return of my favorite Cajun.:csad:

supermarvelman

01-02-2007, 07:10 PM

Actually, I thought that Evolution Beast or gorilla Beast, was pretty well done, too. :)

What beast are you talking about?

Rogue's Hand

01-02-2007, 07:56 PM

I'm waiting for my subscription to expire so I can renew it!! :woot:
This man has got me blued to X-Men!
Rogue's back sugah:heart: :hyper:

spark627

01-02-2007, 08:06 PM

that article with mike carey is amazing

El Bastardo

01-02-2007, 08:30 PM

Were I Carey, I wouldn't want a thing to do with Gambit.

He's got a lot on his plate to begin with (Carey, that is), and were I him, I wouldn't want any of the taint known as Milligan's run to rub off on me. :o

supermarvelman

01-02-2007, 10:01 PM

Maybe he's gonna try and fix Gambit.

Havok83

01-02-2007, 10:29 PM

I want Gambit to stay out of the X-men

mightiest_mortal

01-02-2007, 10:54 PM

Actually, I thought that Evolution Beast or gorilla Beast, was pretty well done, too. :)
i actuallly liked that design too
http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0203/21/beast.jpg

Kevin D. Comicboy

01-02-2007, 10:57 PM

God, I don't hate Gambit, I grew up with a gambit (TV show) But I honestly never wanna see that cheating prick again, and I don't want rogue pining over him either.

squeekness

01-02-2007, 11:57 PM

iamlegend

01-03-2007, 01:06 AM

Well we know Gambit will be back in some form another this year, simply because Carey himself has said that Sinister will almost definitely hit the scene at one time or another.

They keep saying that they're building up to something big... and if that something big doesn't involve Mr. Sinister's return to the scene then I don't know what else it could be.

emmymae

01-03-2007, 01:09 AM

Gambit is not really a cheater. You might be referring to the Lily incident and nothing really happened. Also, he did not sleep with Mystique. Gambit and Rogue loved each other deeply and have proven it several times. Rogue put her life on the line for him several times and he's saved her too. I'm a Romy fan no matter what. Without this relationship, I wouldn't be an X-Fan. It's that important. And it's ok if he's out for a bit. The relationship can have a rest so they both can deal with their own issues. And Gambit is no more chained to the Milligan tenure than anyone else. Carey may write the X-Men book anyway he sees fit and I trust his writing. But Gambit doesn't deserve to be written out of the comic. I happen to LOVE the guy and Rogue too.:heart:

Kevin D. Comicboy

01-03-2007, 01:15 AM

New interview with Mike Carey:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=9274
kool.

PWN3R

01-03-2007, 01:26 AM

I'm so tempted to buy the Ramos fill in issues. I love his art.

Kevin D. Comicboy

01-03-2007, 01:44 AM

DO IT!!:woot:

Neptune

01-03-2007, 08:56 AM

Gambit's a cheating prick? The only thing that has kept Rogue clean is her mutation. She may have had Magneto, would have had Joseph in a flash, and I didn't exactly see her turn her nose up at Pulse. They have both had their problems as a couple, trouble on both sides. I am glad to see the relationship end, only because Rogue has never thrilled me. They are not properly suited for one another.

Agreed. Gambit and Rogue are 2 of my favorite characters but i don't like them as a couple.It's just too much. And Rogue is as big of a flirt as Gambit is. I hope Carey does fix him. Milligan messded him up pretty bad. I think Carey can do it. But i say if he ever turns good again, they should not put him on Rogue's team.

Specter313

01-03-2007, 10:35 AM

I'm so tempted to buy the Ramos fill in issues. I love his art.

Boy, I will hurt you. :p

Specter313

01-03-2007, 10:36 AM

News about what's in store, particularly for Northstar, Aurora, and Exodus, in the Annual:

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/xmen/CareyXAnn.html

Snikt 6

01-03-2007, 03:58 PM

^Carey is just so awesome. He does more interviews than any X writer than I can remember, and he really seems like he is having fun!

Once Joss leaves, Carey will become my favorite writer easily.

Snikt 6

01-03-2007, 04:00 PM

I'm so tempted to buy the Ramos fill in issues. I love his art.

That was a joke....right? :wow:

Kevin D. Comicboy

01-03-2007, 04:41 PM

News about what's in store, particularly for Northstar, Aurora, and Exodus, in the Annual:

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/xmen/CareyXAnn.html
:up:

PWN3R

01-03-2007, 04:42 PM

That was a joke....right? :wow:

No. I know this sounds crazy, but some people have different tastes!:wow:

Go figure.

Kevin D. Comicboy

01-03-2007, 04:59 PM

:eek:+*gasp* Holy Jeebus!:eek:

Kevin D. Comicboy

01-03-2007, 05:00 PM

By the by, I LOVE your sig.

bengan

01-03-2007, 05:05 PM

Well Exodus have been with both Brotherhood of Evil Mutants and the Acolytes. I betting we will se the return of Brotherhood of Evil Mutants.

Havok83

01-03-2007, 06:02 PM

Well Exodus have been with both Brotherhood of Evil Mutants and the Acolytes. I betting we will se the return of Brotherhood of Evil Mutants.
I sure hope note. The Brotherhood has been a joke since every incarnation after Mystique's team

Specter313

01-03-2007, 06:15 PM

I think it's most likely going to be the Brotherhood as well. If I remember correctly, Exodus, Amelia Voght, and Cargill are the only Acolytes left with their powers after M-Day, so I think that rules the Acolytes out.

Snikt 6

01-03-2007, 09:07 PM

^Really, I think its the Acolytes. It sets up a possible Magneto return later in the year.....

emmymae

01-03-2007, 09:19 PM

Magneto might come back? They are certain to have Mr. Sinister; and with him comes Gambit and Sunfire. Between Pan, the Children, the remaining Acolytes, former teammates and friends gone bad, and the other baddies coming back, the X-Men have a great deal to contend with. How they're going to survive the onslaught is anyone's guess. And Wolverine can't help everyone. (How he manages to be involved with three teams and his own personal missions at the same time is anyone's guess.) But Rogue certainly has a plan that no one is going to expect. Surprise me Carey!:wow:

mightiest_mortal

01-03-2007, 09:24 PM

It sets up a possible Magneto return later in the year.....
Hasn't Magneto already returnd? heard he popped up in New Avengers but not followed it for a while.

Specter313

01-03-2007, 09:36 PM

^Really, I think its the Acolytes. It sets up a possible Magneto return later in the year.....

Mags doesn't need the Acolytes to come back. He could easily make his return on his own just as much, or would be more tied to the Brotherhood as well, since he originally founded them, and I think the Acolytes started out as a fan cult of him that he adopted. Plus, in the interview, Carey said he was picking out of old members to form the new version of the group, and with only three members of the Acolytes left with their powers, I doubt it's them.

bengan

01-04-2007, 07:50 AM

So if it is the Brotherhood, who would you want on this incarnation? Who would be in your own fanmade team?

Brainiac 8

01-04-2007, 10:28 AM

^Really, I think its the Acolytes. It sets up a possible Magneto return later in the year.....

I agree, I think the brotherhood is too obvious. I'm thinking Exodus gathered a new group of Acolytes.

usagicassidy

01-05-2007, 12:37 AM

I hope it's not the Acolytes. Have they ever been interesting? (And I'm being serious about this question.)

bengan

01-07-2007, 05:16 PM

Is it just me or does Pan have a very strange design? Looks like theve crossed Phantom of the opera and Mikhail Rasputin(whatever happened to that guy btw?). Or what is that thing on his head?

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g199/ilovebengan/XMEN195cvrcol.jpg

emmymae

01-07-2007, 07:34 PM

Poor Rogue. That guy looks scary. I think I'll pick up the annual when it comes out. I just hope the issues don't run out before I can get to the store. (If only Remy hadn't decided to make a deal with Apocalypse. Bad strategy for a gambling man. Rogue could sure use the help.)

Kevin D. Comicboy

01-07-2007, 07:39 PM

emmymae

01-07-2007, 07:56 PM

He is one ugly dude. Caption on Picture: Rogue: Why do Horsemen of Apocalypse keep following meh around?

Specter313

01-08-2007, 12:39 AM

Who the hell did that horrible cover. Ugh.

That would be Humberto Ramos. Ya know? The guy who's art you said you liked alot. :p

Specter313

01-08-2007, 12:40 AM

He is one ugly dude. Caption on Picture: Rogue: Why do Horsemen of Apocalypse keep following meh around?

:huh: That would only work if that guy was actually a Horseman.

PWN3R

01-08-2007, 12:40 AM

That would be Humberto Ramos. Ya know? The guy who's art you said you liked alot. :p

lol! How'd that one bullet do?

Specter313

01-08-2007, 12:46 AM

lol! How'd that one bullet do?

Obviously not good enough. :cmad:

PWN3R

01-08-2007, 12:48 AM

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/382/humberto20ramossj5.jpg

Ramos: Haha, you missed.

Kevin D. Comicboy

01-08-2007, 12:49 AM

I won't lie, That's a terrible cover, but I still like his inside art. My god that cover is so bad.

Colossal Spoons

01-08-2007, 01:06 AM

Is it just me or does Pan have a very strange design? Looks like theve crossed Phantom of the opera and Mikhail Rasputin(whatever happened to that guy btw?). Or what is that thing on his head?

In Colossus' mini, Mikhail jumped into this portal/black holey type thing that he nobody can return from.

Specter313

01-08-2007, 01:18 AM

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/382/humberto20ramossj5.jpg

Ramos: Haha, you missed.

I don't miss! :cmad: I just didn't make it fatal. :o

emmymae

01-08-2007, 06:46 PM

:huh: That would only work if that guy was actually a Horseman.

Specter, I did the caption as a joke. The guy looks like a Horseman. I meant in regard to Gambit becoming Death and trying to kill Rogue twice and now this guy who looks like a Horseman looks like he's trying to kill her.:woot:

Specter313

01-09-2007, 12:08 AM

Specter, I did the caption as a joke. The guy looks like a Horseman. I meant in regard to Gambit becoming Death and trying to kill Rogue twice and now this guy who looks like a Horseman looks like he's trying to kill her.:woot:

I know what you were doing, but again, it doesn't work because the guy is not a Horseman. Horseman have a bunch of different looks, so there is no one look that anyone can say looks like one, so again, the joke does not work.

bengan

01-09-2007, 08:20 AM

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/382/humberto20ramossj5.jpg

wooow, this guy likes boobs...BIG TIME!:wow:

spark627

01-09-2007, 08:23 AM

funny thing is, he looks like he has never seen one

bengan

01-09-2007, 08:28 AM

funny thing is, he looks like he has never seen one
Sure he has... I mean he must have been on the internet atleast one time in his life.:hyper:

Brainiac 8

01-09-2007, 08:31 AM

funny thing is, he looks like he has never seen one

He sees one when he looks in the mirror every morning.:cwink:

bengan

01-09-2007, 08:37 AM

haha boobface:woot:

04nbod

01-09-2007, 03:59 PM

insults of his work - fine but are personal insults really necessary. anyway that cover is awful- what the hell is with rogue's skinny arm?

bengan

01-09-2007, 04:23 PM

am i the only one who liked the cover except rouges big boobies?

04nbod

01-09-2007, 05:10 PM

i like the colour palette, i like the simple idea. he draws pan well but the pose he put rogue in made his job harder. the idea is better than bachalo's last cover where everything was so small you could barely point out the characters but this cover wasn't executed well

emmymae

01-09-2007, 10:01 PM

I know what you were doing, but again, it doesn't work because the guy is not a Horseman. Horseman have a bunch of different looks, so there is no one look that anyone can say looks like one, so again, the joke does not work.

I still think it's funny. You are certainly a dedicated fan and a comic expert. I'm just a lil' ol' Romy fan.:heart:

Kevin D. Comicboy

01-09-2007, 10:06 PM

I still think it's funny. You are certainly a dedicated fan and a comic expert. I'm just a lil' ol' Romy fan.:heart:
He'd be great if he were a mod.

Specter313

01-09-2007, 10:33 PM

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0701/09/xmenannual1c.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0701/09/xmenannual11.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0701/09/xmenannual12.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0701/09/xmenannual13.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0701/09/xmenannual14.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0701/09/xmenannual15.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0701/09/xmenannual16.jpg

Kevin D. Comicboy

01-09-2007, 10:43 PM

Awesome

bengan

01-10-2007, 01:04 AM

wooow !! I love that!! Whos in his team?

El Bastardo

01-10-2007, 01:08 AM

I still think it's funny. You are certainly a dedicated fan and a comic expert. I'm just a lil' ol' Romy fan.:heart:

Y'mean Remy, right?

And that preview looks cool. Mark Brooks rocks... I really dig his work. As for who's with Exodus... well, I recognize Exodus, and that's Random in the page before Exodus's grand entrance, yes? Don't know who the two girls with Exodus are, but I'm not so well-versed.

Specter313

01-10-2007, 01:32 AM

wooow !! I love that!! Whos in his team?

The girl on the right in all the gold is named Tempo, and I'm not totally sure who's on the left, but based on the braids, I'd have to guess she's Cargill.

Xplicit Content

01-10-2007, 01:43 AM

Good to see Tempo back...I always thought she was a cool character. One of the main reasons I liked Sway.

usagicassidy

01-10-2007, 11:17 AM

Man, I've loved his work on New X-Men and wondered what it would look like if he drew the X-Men...well now I can know! Yay!

Brainiac 8

01-10-2007, 12:06 PM

bengan

01-10-2007, 12:28 PM

When does the Annual come out again?

Random is back! That is awsome.
The chick in the braids almost looks like Cecelia Reyes.
I love the fact that Exodus is coming back, maybe Carey can make him cool again and not a mockery that he had become.
yea I noticed that too. It was my first thought. I wonder if he has the guts to do it :)

Brainiac 8

01-10-2007, 01:38 PM

I'm thinking this means that Exodus is reforming the Acolytes, only in a form he wants.

Exodus has the power to be a major threat, in the same vein as Magneto..we just need someone to use him to his potential...and i think Carey will be able to do it.

Colossal Spoons

01-10-2007, 07:38 PM

I like the way Rogue looks on the cover of that annual...and I'm not usually a big Rogue person.

Specter313

01-10-2007, 10:23 PM

When does the Annual come out again?

Random is back! That is awsome.
The chick in the braids almost looks like Cecelia Reyes.
I love the fact that Exodus is coming back, maybe Carey can make him cool again and not a mockery that he had become.

It comes out on the 24th, I think.

And if the woman in the braids is anyone, it's Johanna Cargill, not Cecelia. She's been on the Acolytes with Exodus before, and would make much more sense than Cecelia.

emmymae

01-10-2007, 11:11 PM

Y'mean Remy, right?

Romy is Remy and Rogue put together. I'm a major fan of Gambit and Rogue. That annual looks a bit strange.:word:

ProfeZZor X

01-11-2007, 12:12 AM

It comes out on the 24th, I think.

And if the woman in the braids is anyone, it's Johanna Cargill, not Cecelia. She's been on the Acolytes with Exodus before, and would make much more sense than Cecelia.

It's Cargill... The last time she was drawn (Uncanny #300, or so), it looked like Grace Jones beating the crap out of Iceman. It should be interesting to see them confront each other again.

Brainiac 8

01-11-2007, 08:46 AM

Havok83

01-11-2007, 05:39 PM

I'm just glad they are bringing back the Acolytes again instead of it being the brotherhood.

This may be closed minded but the brotherhood should not be reformed if it's not led by Magneto or Mysique.:o
No IA. The name is a joke these days. The ONLY Brotherhood I choose to acknowledge are Magneto's original team and Mystiques. Since then it seems like a lame way to just to throw a few villians together for no reason

04nbod

01-12-2007, 12:58 AM

i doubt we will see villains that can last in this decade. its missing its magento, apocalypse,sinister,mystique and all we get are rehashes. That's a bit disappointing.

bengan

01-12-2007, 11:31 AM

^Am I the only one who liked Cassandra Nova? :)

Kevin D. Comicboy

01-12-2007, 11:36 AM

:dry: yes.

mightiest_mortal

01-12-2007, 12:06 PM

^Am I the only one who liked Cassandra Nova? :)

Nah, the whole idea behind her was actually kind of interesting.

Kevin D. Comicboy

01-12-2007, 12:10 PM

well, that's two of you then.

Valechan

01-12-2007, 01:42 PM

In the solicits with the preview they mention a shock appearance in the last page... am I the only one that thinks it's gonna be Magneto?

Rogue's Hand

01-12-2007, 01:55 PM

In the solicits with the preview they mention a shock appearance in the last page... am I the only one that thinks it's gonna be Magneto?
Are you serious? Can you post a link? :huh:

bengan

01-12-2007, 02:07 PM

Where have he been the last year? Did he disappear after house of M?

ProfeZZor X

01-12-2007, 02:54 PM

C'mon guys.... You'd be naive to think Magneto would disappear from the likes of the X-Men. This is an iconic figure that's standed the tests of time, and was their very first villain. Marvel is not about to let him go that easily.

...It's just a matter of HOW he'll make his return.

Brainiac 8

01-12-2007, 03:03 PM

Kevin D. Comicboy

01-12-2007, 03:05 PM

"And yes, Nova sucked."

This is why you're on my list.:up:

proteus

01-12-2007, 03:27 PM

I'll be happy if it's Magneto written the way he was supposed to be. NOT XORN, NOT a powerless weakling. They need to bring him and the acolytes back as a serious threat, like DC has done with Luthor....back and in charge.

and yes, Nova sucked. :cmad:

After "Excalibur" with Magneto and Xavier working together, I don't want to see Magneto all of a sudden an enemy to the X-Men again. My guess is the return is Mr. Sinister.

Brainiac 8

01-12-2007, 03:57 PM

After "Excalibur" with Magneto and Xavier working together, I don't want to see Magneto all of a sudden an enemy to the X-Men again. My guess is the return is Mr. Sinister.

I'll concede that, the little Excalibur story between Xavier and Erik was fantastic.:yay:

This is why you're on my list.:up:

Sweetness. :up: :D

bengan

01-12-2007, 04:37 PM

I want to be on someones list. How does everybody feel about Mr. Sinister? I like him as a villian(dont really know why) but i hope hes written good and dont turn out to be a pusharound.

Kevin D. Comicboy

01-12-2007, 04:44 PM

Everyone, Bengan, is on my list. There's no way I can, 1) Miss anyone in the x-forums, and 2) Miss anyone who has a love for Nightcrawler.

And I don't care too much for Mr. Sinister.

Havok83

01-12-2007, 05:28 PM

I like Sinister and looking forward to seeing him agian. I hope Jean is somehow connected to his return

ProfeZZor X

01-12-2007, 06:16 PM

Everyone, Bengan, is on my list. There's no way I can, 1) Miss anyone in the x-forums, and 2) Miss anyone who has a love for Nightcrawler.

And I don't care too much for Mr. Sinister.

Likewise... Now you're on MY list :cwink: .

Kevin D. Comicboy

01-12-2007, 07:50 PM

:woot:

bengan

01-12-2007, 07:54 PM

Everyone, Bengan, is on my list. There's no way I can, 1) Miss anyone in the x-forums, and 2) Miss anyone who has a love for Nightcrawler.

YES!!!

Hey, do you thunk that Exodus will only appear in this issue? Isnt he suppose to be a great threat?

emmymae

01-12-2007, 10:50 PM

I just want Gambit. I don't care if he's Death. It's about time Rogue saw her man again. Let's just hope he doesn't try to kill her this time. Remy, come back to your senses!:(

jackmanx2

01-12-2007, 10:55 PM

I just want Gambit. I don't care if he's Death. It's about time Rogue saw her man again. Let's just hope he doesn't try to kill her this time. Remy, come back to your senses!:(

Ever since they gave Gambit his own series and storylines involving his mysterious past being laid out on the table, he's become just less and less cool. They should leave him be gone for many years and have him return and then have him carry this all new mystery around him or somethin like that...come on Remy! Stop the farting mon ami!!!

emmymae

01-12-2007, 11:02 PM

Ever since they gave Gambit his own series and storylines involving his mysterious past being laid out on the table, he's become just less and less cool. They should leave him be gone for many years and have him return and then have him carry this all new mystery around him or somethin like that...come on Remy! Stop the farting mon ami!!!

Gambit will never stop being cool in my mind. And while having him out of the series for many years would provide the opportunity for a new vibe for the character, it would make for one very disappointed fan, among several others. I love Rogue as much as him, but I could never be fully satisfied with the comics if he was gone too long. I need them both. They're like my best friends, only fictitious.:heart:

jackmanx2

01-12-2007, 11:13 PM

Gambit will never stop being cool in my mind. And while having him out of the series for many years would provide the opportunity for a new vibe for the character, it would make for one very disappointed fan, among several others. I love Rogue as much as him, but I could never be fully satisfied with the comics if he was gone too long. I need them both. They're like my best friends, only fictitious.:heart:

I still remember readin X-Men where Gambit is playin basketball with Jubes and Wolvy...he looked pretty fine...:cwink:

Snikt 6

01-13-2007, 01:02 AM

jackmanx2

01-13-2007, 03:11 PM

Well reading the latest New X-Men Mammomex (the Elephant guy) states that the "Brotherhood" would save him....guess that means its the Brotherhood that Exodus will lead, not the return of the Acolytes.

brotherhood...acolytes...does it matter what group he willl reform? they both have been jokes for the last years. i hope with the death of mammomax they finally accept decent members to join now...

Havok83

01-13-2007, 04:36 PM

Well reading the latest New X-Men Mammomex (the Elephant guy) states that the "Brotherhood" would save him....guess that means its the Brotherhood that Exodus will lead, not the return of the Acolytes.
I dont think that necesarily means anything. The last team taht Mammomex was on was teh Brotherhood. It only makes sense that he would say they would save him

Brainiac 8

01-13-2007, 09:04 PM

Kevin D. Comicboy

01-13-2007, 09:28 PM

Your step-father is kool.

proteus

01-13-2007, 09:48 PM

Well reading the latest New X-Men Mammomex (the Elephant guy) states that the "Brotherhood" would save him....guess that means its the Brotherhood that Exodus will lead, not the return of the Acolytes.

In one of the previews for the Annual it's stated that Exodus reforms the Acolytes.

Snikt 6

01-13-2007, 11:39 PM

^Which preview was that?

proteus

01-14-2007, 01:11 AM

^Which preview was that?

One at marvel.com where Carey said so.

04nbod

01-14-2007, 08:58 AM

Just an interesting theory that my Step-father mentioned. (Yes, he is also an avid comic reader like I am.)

He thinks that Pan is going to turn out to be Gambit. I hadn't thought of that, did anyone else get that. He thinks that is why he is going after Rogue.

on the memory page the guy did look a lot like gambit- i had to read it a few times to make sure it wasn't. if it is what the hell is going on with him?:wow:

jackmanx2

01-14-2007, 06:38 PM

jackmanx2

01-14-2007, 06:52 PM

I was wondering where are all the other people who were turned into Omega Sentinels? I was also wondering what happened to karima which made her end up on Genosha?

Havok83

01-14-2007, 08:27 PM

I was wondering where are all the other people who were turned into Omega Sentinels? I was also wondering what happened to karima which made her end up on Genosha?
I think you mean Prime Sentinel. Karima's existance makes NO sense. When one bcomes one, they lose their conscience are are mere machines. She functions like any normal human being and there's no trace of being a sentinel in her outside of her powers. She's not supposed to have feelings. She's not suppose to care or think. She should only have killing mutants on the brain. I never could get into her bc Claremont didnt stay true to what she was supposed to be nor did he offer any explanation for this

jackmanx2

01-14-2007, 09:16 PM

I think you mean Prime Sentinel. Karima's existance makes NO sense. When one bcomes one, they lose their conscience are are mere machines. She functions like any normal human being and there's no trace of being a sentinel in her outside of her powers. She's not supposed to have feelings. She's not suppose to care or think. She should only have killing mutants on the brain. I never could get into her bc Claremont didnt stay true to what she was supposed to be nor did he offer any explanation for this

thanx for the correction: Prime Sentinel, not Omega Sentinel.

Maybe what u just said will be adressed in a future issue, maybe Karima/Omega Sentinel is planted into the X-men by Bastion/ MasterMold and activates her back to his slave to exterminate them again...

emmymae

01-14-2007, 10:01 PM

emmymae

01-14-2007, 10:01 PM

emmymae

01-14-2007, 10:02 PM

jackmanx2

01-14-2007, 10:45 PM

So Gambit's probably ending up in the summer event. Oh joy!

On the Karima front, I don't really know her, but I certainly hope she isn't activated into killing mode. What is her story anyway? And where has she previously appeared?:meow:

This is all I can remember bout Karima/Omega Sentinel:
She first appeared in some X-Men Annual which explained more about Thuderbird's (Neal Shaara) history. Karima was a cop who fell in love with T-Bird but was also a Prime Sentinel, she told Neal to run away before she would hunt/kill him coz thats what she was programmed to do by bastion during Operation Zero Tolerance. Since then we havent seen of her till she showed up on Genosha and with Xavier and Magneto and helped them on some crazy missions there. She was then aducted by Pan's organisation and was later found by Rogue's team and joined them...

squeekness

01-14-2007, 11:51 PM

in last issue it's said that Pan is NOT Gambit but some doctor who was in contact with Rogue & Xavier when she joined the X-Men.

Gambit's whereabouts will probably be revealed this summer event which involves Mr Sinister's return. Gambit was seen with Sunfire and both were greeted by Sinister.This is why I think Pan might be Sinister. We know Sinister is coming up, we know Gambit is returning even if it's only briefly. I think all this might be all tied in together.

Specter313

01-15-2007, 01:35 AM

I think you mean Prime Sentinel. Karima's existance makes NO sense. When one bcomes one, they lose their conscience are are mere machines. She functions like any normal human being and there's no trace of being a sentinel in her outside of her powers. She's not supposed to have feelings. She's not suppose to care or think. She should only have killing mutants on the brain. I never could get into her bc Claremont didnt stay true to what she was supposed to be nor did he offer any explanation for this

Actually, he did offer an explaination for her in his Excalibur run on Genosha, where I believe he and Magneto worked together to override her programming.

04nbod

01-15-2007, 06:24 AM

Snikt 6

01-15-2007, 09:12 AM

Actually, he did offer an explaination for her in his Excalibur run on Genosha, where I believe he and Magneto worked together to override her programming.

Yeah he did. I wonder if they are going to off her or have her just fade away again.

I don't think Pan is Sinister, but maybe he works for him. I just hope they keep the Dark Beast far far away from this storyline. :dry:

Brainiac 8

01-16-2007, 09:35 AM

This is why I think Pan might be Sinister. We know Sinister is coming up, we know Gambit is returning even if it's only briefly. I think all this might be all tied in together.

This is what I was thinking, that the doctor will end up being Sinister.

Oh and yes, the VILLAIN can lie about his past, so him saying he was a doctor could be made up.

ProfeZZor X

01-16-2007, 10:50 AM

This is what I was thinking, that the doctor will end up being Sinister.

Oh and yes, the VILLAIN can lie about his past, so him saying he was a doctor could be made up.

I don't recall Sinister ever using "minions" in the past to dispatch his enemies (the X-Men). But if you really think about it, why would he (Sinister) go through the trouble of creating this guise to fool the team, when he can just come out as who he is? ... I mean, what the heck would be the big deal anyway. Why create a false persona if he's going to expose himself in the end anyway?

But looking at his "grand scheme" of things from what we know, it appears that all he wants to do is mimick Rogue's absorbing powers, and absorb every other mutant's powers out there, permanently. Because looking at the last page of #194, his left arm seems to be made of ice, while his right arm looks like it's made of steel... or a strain of the legacy virus (like Cable). The same goes with his face... Which was fleshy at the beginning of the book.

That's just my guess on what he wants.

Specter313

01-16-2007, 02:02 PM

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Aprl07/cvrs/XMEN198.jpg

X-MEN #198
Written by MIKE CAREY
Pencils & Covers by CHRIS BACHALO
“CONDITION CRITICAL”
Behind the X-Men's worst nightmare there's a bigger nightmare waiting in the wings. Hecatomb has dropped from deep space onto the island of Providence, bringing death to whatever he touches - and Cable receives an offer of help from a truly terrifying source! Be here for the story leading into the milestone 200th issue! Part 2 (of 3)!
32 PGS./Rated A …$2.99

Colossal Spoons

01-16-2007, 02:04 PM

Meh :o

bengan

01-16-2007, 02:17 PM

^true words...

AndThePickles

01-16-2007, 02:20 PM

Amen.

Kevin D. Comicboy

01-16-2007, 02:51 PM

NOW everyone agrees with me that the book is pretty meh?

Havok83

01-16-2007, 03:17 PM

I love Cable so Im looking forward to him getting spotlight

Brainiac 8

01-16-2007, 03:26 PM

I'll give it a chance. Carey has a good handle on the characters and I'm interested in seeing what he has in store.

bengan

01-16-2007, 03:38 PM

I love this book. Love that art AND the team(apart from Sabretooth and Cable), but the story of that arc seems to be really "Meh" and the cover isnt really doing it for me.

ProfeZZor X

01-16-2007, 05:20 PM

Meh :o

I felt that way two issues ago. I think the hype is dying down, but overall, Mike Carey is doing a great job... Compared to the 2 idiots of recent past.

jackmanx2

01-16-2007, 06:56 PM

emmymae

01-16-2007, 07:36 PM

Not another alien plot. One's enough. I looked at the Golgotha TPB at Barnes and Noble and I was pretty grossed out. But I found it a bit funny when Gambit was talking about a kid that drowned in the Mississippi and then proceeded to vomit and sing "Old Man River." Random thought, sorry. I'm a bit lost and I don't know who Hecatomb is. I'm really only interested in Gambit and Rogue.:whatever:

Snikt 6

01-16-2007, 09:00 PM

Carey is doing a wonderful job on this title....I actually look forward to this more than most X comics out there now.

Colossal Spoons

01-16-2007, 09:28 PM

Carey is doing a wonderful job on this title....I actually look forward to this more than most X comics out there now.

Adjectiveless is the X-book I look forward to the least. Sucks to cuz I thought the Iceman/Cannonball combo would be entertaining but they hardly do anything :(

Kevin D. Comicboy

01-16-2007, 09:32 PM

I'm am so glad not EVERYONE is saying "omg, carey is god. This book is so great, exciting. He can do no wrong. best x-book ever!" Just no.

Havok83

01-16-2007, 10:18 PM

the main thing I hate about the book is that its Rogue and the X-men. Im loving her but I want to see the other characters get some spotlight as well. His run just seems to be very heavy Rogue-centric

Kevin D. Comicboy

01-16-2007, 10:21 PM

Colossal Spoons

01-16-2007, 10:23 PM

Claremont - Psylocke
Whedon - Shadowcat

Havok83

01-16-2007, 10:36 PM

Claremont - Psylocke
Whedon - Shadowcat
dont remind me of Claremont's fascination with Psylocke. What he did to UXM when he got her back was just terrible. With the exception of Rachel, he forget any other X-men on that team existed. Storm, Nightcrawler, Bishop and even Wolverine all got pushed aside for what was like a Psylocke solo with a large supporting cast

Colossal Spoons

01-16-2007, 10:50 PM

You'll get reminded next month in Exiles :(

YJ1

01-16-2007, 11:22 PM

Specter313

01-16-2007, 11:48 PM

Despite decent writing, I just have to stop buying this book. Bachalo's anime style artwork is beyond awful. I couldn't even make it through the last issue. I'm officially off this book until they tap a real artist.

Lol, that one wasn't Bachalo, that was Humberto Ramos, who's filling in for this three issue arc, but he's just as bad as Bachalo if not worse.

Havok83

01-17-2007, 04:44 AM

You'll get reminded next month in Exiles :(
haha, I dont read Exiles. I might check it out to see her but its not a book that interests me. Sucks for Exile fans

Colossal Spoons

01-17-2007, 09:29 AM

Yeah, sucks a lot.

04nbod

01-17-2007, 04:14 PM

i'm guessing issue 200 will be a special one shot- the run up arc doesn't look interesting

ProfeZZor X

01-17-2007, 04:41 PM

Adjectiveless is the X-book I look forward to the least. Sucks to cuz I thought the Iceman/Cannonball combo would be entertaining but they hardly do anything :(

One would be lead to think something special would have become of Sam and Bobby, being the youngest of the members... And I don't mean on an intimate level either. Especially when Sam looked after Bobby in #190 when he returned to flesh.

.. That whole (best bud/I got your back) moment kind of "evaporated" shortly after.

Colossal Spoons

01-17-2007, 05:19 PM

^Yup, now we get Rogue for the most part. I like the woman but she hogs up a lot of page-time.

Havok83

01-17-2007, 05:32 PM

^Yup, now we get Rogue for the most part. I like the woman but she hogs up a lot of page-time.
I hear that the annual will only feature 3 X-men, Rogue, Mystique and Cable. Carey needs to get over his Rogue obsession. This book is an ensemble not a solo series

Colossal Spoons

01-17-2007, 05:34 PM

^ugh!

emmymae

01-17-2007, 06:26 PM

I love Rogue and I don't mind her being in the spotlight. It's about time she got some major attention. And with the tragic Gambit situation, the woman needs the honors. Unfortunately, Carey and I have a favorite character in common, though he doesn't LOVE Gambit like I do.

I would like Carey to explore Cannonball and Iceman and their relationship more though. And it's about time Mystique and Rogue settled their differences, even though I wish Mystique would fall off a cliff.

On the game X-Men Legends II: Rise of Apocalypse, I played as Rogue for almost half the game and one time I accidentally knocked Wolverine off a cliff. So I get that image in my head of Rogue, accidentally!, knocking her foster mother off a cliff.:cwink:

I'm such a shameless fan. I'm planning on buying the annual and waiting for the TPB of the current story arcs if I so choose to buy one of them. I buy only the stuff I like the best.

04nbod

01-18-2007, 08:21 AM

^ugh!

rogue is the leader- do you expect her not to be in the annual.
i would have preferred rogue bobby and sam but we get what we're given i guess

Colossal Spoons

01-18-2007, 08:23 AM

^I expected more than her and 2 friends.

ProfeZZor X

01-18-2007, 10:49 AM

rogue is the leader- do you expect her not to be in the annual.
i would have preferred rogue bobby and sam but we get what we're given i guess

I'm fine with Sam and Bobby in this annual, only because she mentioned in #188 that both of them are "Solid Gold". And for once, I'd like to see what she was talking about. I know what she means, but sometimes it would be nice to see on paper... Plus, it would give them both the opportunity to shine.

Everyone else on her team can take a backseat for a while. Even Rogue, because Carey is starting to get carried away with her leadership and screen time. I remember him coming in saying that he wanted to develop everyone on the team, but it's turning out that he's no different from the other writers wanting to feature their favorite character...

iamlegend

01-18-2007, 11:52 AM

I'm fine with Sam and Bobby in this annual, only because she mentioned in #188 that both of them are "Solid Gold". And for once, I'd like to see what she was talking about. I know what she means, but sometimes it would be nice to see on paper... Plus, it would give them both the opportunity to shine.

Everyone else on her team can take a backseat for a while. Even Rogue, because Carey is starting to get carried away with her leadership and screen time. I remember him coming in saying that he wanted to develop everyone on the team, but it's turning out that he's no different from the other writers wanting to feature their favorite character...

Well, to be fair, wouldn't an X-Men book written by you flesh out Iceman as much as possible and as often as possible? Everyone has a favorite character, and everyone wants them to get the limelight. Do I like it? No, but that's what happens.

Kevin D. Comicboy

01-18-2007, 12:02 PM

I'd get bored writing my favorite character.

Colossal Spoons

01-18-2007, 02:17 PM

^Same here. There's only so much ass Colossus can whoop :D

ProfeZZor X

01-18-2007, 02:37 PM

Well, to be fair, wouldn't an X-Men book written by you flesh out Iceman as much as possible and as often as possible? Everyone has a favorite character, and everyone wants them to get the limelight. Do I like it? No, but that's what happens.

In all honesty, I really wouldn't want an "All Iceman, All the time" book. I love him like a brother, but I'd have to be fair to the other people he's working with. And by doing that, I'd listen to the people that matter most... The fans. I'd cover the things they want resolve on for each character, work a little bit of that drama into my story arc, and go from there.... Rather than be selfish like that, and use my favorite character to run things... Remember, they're a team.

After all, you can't win any popularity contests if you say one thing, then end up being another way later on.

04nbod

01-18-2007, 02:56 PM

^Same here. There's only so much ass Colossus can whoop :D

that should be colossus' new slogan- amazing:woot:

emmymae

01-18-2007, 03:59 PM

After all, you can't win any popularity contests if you say one thing, then end up being another way later on.

You can never tell how much a writer is controlled by the head editors. But I must say, I don't mind a Rogue centric run. And if I could have Gambit with her, that would be great. I am one of the unfortunate people who love two characters above and beyond everyone else and doesn't notice when other characters are being overshadowed. I have to confess I always skimmed past most of the parts that didn't have Gambit and Rogue in them in the comics, except for Psylocke and sometimes Storm and Wolverine.:cwink:

ProfeZZor X

01-18-2007, 06:08 PM

You can never tell how much a writer is controlled by the head editors. But I must say, I don't mind a Rogue centric run. And if I could have Gambit with her, that would be great. I am one of the unfortunate people who love two characters above and beyond everyone else and doesn't notice when other characters are being overshadowed. I have to confess I always skimmed past most of the parts that didn't have Gambit and Rogue in them in the comics, except for Psylocke and sometimes Storm and Wolverine.:cwink:

Gambit has "pimp slapped" rogue on several occasions. So why the hell do fans still insist they should be together? People grow apart after so many years... even in comics. They should move on and date other people.

04nbod

01-18-2007, 06:46 PM

there was a letter in UXM's last issue about why gambit and rogue aren't together- the reply was 'i don't know what country your in but in america Rogue would be jailed for a long long time if she got back with him right now

emmymae

01-18-2007, 11:29 PM

I don't mean for them to get back together right now. That would be a bad idea. ProfezzorX, they've been through too much to just grow apart. Life can be so disappointing, that can't we at least have a happy ending and true love in our favorite reading material? I don't read comics for the realism. When did Gambit "pimp slap" Rogue? He did try to kill her twice as Death and once punched her out accidentally in her recent solo series.

I'll try to hush up about the Romy romance, but that's basically why I was ever interested in the X-Men in the first place. Nah, on second thought I'll keep talking about them.:heart:

ProfeZZor X

01-19-2007, 11:42 AM

^ I just don't see the attraction between the two. Both have potential in their own right, but as a couple, they seem very different. And it seems the only way they can relate to each other on some level, is because Rogue has been in Gambit's head a few times.

Colossal Spoons

01-19-2007, 12:46 PM

I support a Rogue/Iceman relationship waaay more.

Rogue's Hand

01-19-2007, 01:43 PM

Rogue deserves all the shine she can get.
She's been swept under the welcome mat for years.

ProfeZZor X

01-19-2007, 04:03 PM

Rogue deserves all the shine she can get.
She's been swept under the welcome mat for years.

I don't necessarily agree with that. Out of the original five, Iceman has had the least amount of storylines. So, my vote would be for him to get a little more attention than Rogue. Besides, whenever Gambit is concerned, Rogue automatically get's screen time... Since they're a package deal.

And I don't have a problem with fans of certain characters wanting their hero to have the spotlight, but since Mike Carey has such a small cast to work with, I really don't see why he can't do a story arc centralized around each team member, by going hard and heavy with content on whatever the fans (and editors) want to hear about. Two or three issue arcs shouldn't be out of the question... Each ending leading up to the next character featured.

04nbod

01-19-2007, 04:25 PM

I support a Rogue/Iceman relationship waaay more.

we're on the same page :woot::cwink:

Kevin D. Comicboy

01-19-2007, 04:27 PM

I support a Rogue/Iceman relationship waaay more.
In the Ultimate MU? Yes. Regular MU? I'd drop the book. It just would feel wrong to me.

Havok83

01-19-2007, 04:35 PM

In the Ultimate MU? Yes. Regular MU? I'd drop the book. It just would feel wrong to me.
Ult Rogue and Bobby are horrible. I loved 616 Rogue and Bobby though. I dont think now is the right time for them to have a relationship but I wouldnt be opposed to it bc I loved them in the mid 90s

04nbod

01-19-2007, 04:39 PM

bobby and rogue in ultimate are good there just isn't enough development. i still don't know why bobby puts up with her sometimes other than the lurvve

ProfeZZor X

01-19-2007, 06:25 PM

Ult Rogue and Bobby are horrible. I loved 616 Rogue and Bobby though. I dont think now is the right time for them to have a relationship but I wouldnt be opposed to it bc I loved them in the mid 90s

The 90's would have been the perfect opportunity for them to get together. She had confidence in him and he in her. They helped each other through their problems, and they've been friends for the longest.

And although it would kind of replicate what was in the movie, I actually might have a hard time grasping the concept of them together now. I'd be okay if it happened before the movies came out, but knowing that it happened in that reality, it only seems like a copy cat idea that's being translated into the comics.

emmymae

01-19-2007, 10:19 PM

Iceman doesn't hold a candle to Gambit. Gambit is more man and way more interesting than he'll ever be. Gambit and Rogue are not that different, and not so different that they don't belong together.

Profezzor, Mike Carey said the attraction between Gambit and Rogue is that they both react similarly to given situations, though Gambit seems to have a self-destructive streak that Rogue doesn't seem to have. They're both fiery and Southern and love each other and understand each other like no one else. Rogue intuitively felt some things about Gambit even before she absorbed him. There are things he should have told her in the first place, but she had her secrets as well, though Gambit's outweigh hers in sheer gravitas. I mean that Rogue didn't need to get into his head to feel a connection to him. She's his best girl.

I feel a very special connection to both Gambit and Rogue that I can't quite explain. They're my favorite characters in all media. I bet you guys feel the same about your favorites.:heart:

squeekness

01-19-2007, 10:42 PM

Rogue is self destructive, just not in an obvious way. I seem to recall in Extreme, when they were both powerless, that a question was asked of Rogue. Something indirectly asking if they were still a couple. Rogue's aswer was yes, but you could see she was still holding Gambit at arm's length. She wants all the control to be hers, even if that means pushing Remy away. She likes to be sought after, it's the only explanation for why she never gave into him fully, even when she could. That to me is self destructive because it means she will never be able to give herself to anyone. She will always be alone.

Havok83

01-20-2007, 01:22 AM

Iceman doesn't hold a candle to Gambit. Gambit is more man and way more interesting than he'll ever be. Gambit and Rogue are not that different, and not so different that they don't belong together.

any cool factor he had went out the window the minute he turned to Apocalypse's side bc the X-men werent giving him enough attention. Gambit has let Rogue down way too many times. Bobby was a rock for her during a very important time in her life. He was overprotective of her and cared about what happend to her. I'd love to see that friendship renewed bc writers since Lobdell have seen to forgotten it. They've been on the same squad for almost 3 years and I dont think they've had a single scene with one on one interaction. I think he is the person she can trust the most on her team and Id like to actually see that

Rogue's Hand

01-20-2007, 04:05 AM

I don't necessarily agree with that. Out of the original five, Iceman has had the least amount of storylines. So, my vote would be for him to get a little more attention than Rogue. Besides, whenever Gambit is concerned, Rogue automatically get's screen time... Since they're a package deal.

And I don't have a problem with fans of certain characters wanting their hero to have the spotlight, but since Mike Carey has such a small cast to work with, I really don't see why he can't do a story arc centralized around each team member, by going hard and heavy with content on whatever the fans (and editors) want to hear about. Two or three issue arcs shouldn't be out of the question... Each ending leading up to the next character featured.
I agree that everyone on the team should shine,
but I do feel Carey needs to clean Rogue up.
Her Sunfire powers are cute :whatever: , but I don't like her as an elemental.
I think her attitude is more fit being a tank.
I actually could careless for the flight, Carey has to make Rogue
strong again. I used to love seeing knocking Sentinels around like
cans in a junkyard :woot: He needs to fix her and set her path,
I have nothing wrong w/ him giving Iceman some shine, after all
Rogue might have to do with his arc also :woot:

ProfeZZor X

01-20-2007, 10:31 AM

any cool factor he had went out the window the minute he turned to Apocalypse's side bc the X-men werent giving him enough attention. Gambit has let Rogue down way too many times. Bobby was a rock for her during a very important time in her life. He was overprotective of her and cared about what happend to her. I'd love to see that friendship renewed bc writers since Lobdell have seen to forgotten it. They've been on the same squad for almost 3 years and I dont think they've had a single scene with one on one interaction. I think he is the person she can trust the most on her team and Id like to actually see that

I'm in 100% agreement. Their close friendship has been avoided for many years now, and I hope Mike will revitalize that in his book. I also think with Mystique's precence in their ranks, and Bobby's new infactuation with her, I predict Rogue will step in, expose her vulnerable side to Bobby, and talk him out of it. And that's where something might spark.... But that's just a theory.

emmymae

01-20-2007, 06:45 PM

I can't win for trying. Gambit and Rogue give each other grief. It's not one sided. I guess I'm one of the few left who still supports their romance and loves them both equally. But they can't be together right now and that's fine.

And Gambit will never stop being cool, Horseman or not, and even though he made the mistake of joining Apocalypse to protect his teammates, that's still a pretty gutsy move. Of course, Iceman is a great friend and Rogue needs good friends, but only one man has her heart. Iceman can have Polaris.

Hi Squeek. One thing I've noticed about Gambit and Rogue is that he believes he doesn't deserve to be happy and she believes that she can't be happy. They'll both need to get over this mindset.:csad:

04nbod

01-20-2007, 06:59 PM

bless you emmymae for keeping the faith. i just hope you don't get disappointed if carey hooks rogue up with someone else.

what are anyone's thoughts on her getting with cannonball? He's recently been spurned and i can see him and rogue relating to each other- southern mentality and all.

emmymae

01-20-2007, 07:07 PM

Well even if Carey does, you can be sure it won't last long. Cannonball somehow has an appeal as a potential hook-up, but I don't think Rogue is interested in romance right now. Gambit was always the one not afraid to touch her. She did say in her last solo series that he was the only man who would go through life with her touch or no. The connection between Gambit and Rogue is special, and the love between them beyond the love that anyone else could have. I knew they were meant for each other the first time I saw them together. I'm starting to sound like a broken record.:heart:

Kevin D. Comicboy

01-20-2007, 07:07 PM

Sam I have no problem with her being with.

cardslinger

01-20-2007, 07:10 PM

Rogue's not giving up on Gambit. She has said so herself. Gambit is basically in a coma right now. Horseman Gambit is not the Gambit we all know and love. He is basically a new character entirely. Even his powers are different.

emmymae

01-20-2007, 07:32 PM

Yes! Someone agrees with me. Gambit is not himself right now. While I'm very interested in what will happen to Rogue, I am dying to find out what will happen to Gambit. When will we see him again and what the heck has he been up to? How will that whole Horseman thing be resolved and how can he get back to his old self? I believe Carey said that Gambit's convictions and mentality have lead him away from the X-Men. But Rogue is certainly never giving up on him. It's time for a real commitment between them both and also a final solution to their touching problem.:heart:

iamlegend

01-20-2007, 08:21 PM

On the Gambit/Rogue front... Does everyone forget that Rogue told Cyclops that she'd wait for Gambit?

Some people may feel that's foolish or something to that effect, but it shows a lot more character depth than just giving up on Gambit and hooking up with someone else a few books later would. Rogue essentially admitted she'd wait for him to comeback indefinitely.

Kevin D. Comicboy

01-20-2007, 08:26 PM

iamlegend

01-20-2007, 08:32 PM

And I commented on how I weak she was weak for it.

Why? Because they had a character, for once really, commit? Because she made the decision that it was going to be Gambit or no one?

They had her FINALLY commit entirely to a relationship that's been up and down for over a decade in real time. So much so that if it doesn't work she'll accept the consequences and be alone. That's a strength, not a weakness.

Kevin D. Comicboy

01-20-2007, 08:55 PM

Why? Because they had a character, for once really, commit? Because she made the decision that it was going to be Gambit or no one?

They had her FINALLY commit entirely to a relationship that's been up and down for over a decade in real time. So much so that if it doesn't work she'll accept the consequences and be alone. That's a strength, not a weakness.
It's easy for me. The moment he tried to kill her, and the moment she said she'd wait for him, I lost some respect for her just like I lose respect for any woman who lets a man abuse them.

I know it's different with Rogue and Gambit. 1) They both have powers, 2) She could kick his ass into tomorrow, and 3) He wasn't exactly himself, but when you see a woman go back to the one who hurts them over and over, you can't help but think they're pathetic.

ProfeZZor X

01-20-2007, 09:26 PM

It's easy for me. The moment he tried to kill her, and the moment she said she'd wait for him, I lost some respect for her just like I lose respect for any woman who lets a man abuse them.

I know it's different with Rogue and Gambit. 1) They both have powers, 2) She could kick his ass into tomorrow, and 3) He wasn't exactly himself, but when you see a woman go back to the one who hurts them over and over, you can't help but think they're pathetic.

*Stands up... Claps... Cheers in agreement.

Rogue's Hand

01-20-2007, 09:52 PM

*Stands up... Claps... Cheers in agreement.
I agree also. She needs to stop playing the victim when she
can fry Gambit and feed him to a pack of wolves on a stick:cmad:

cardslinger

01-21-2007, 05:37 PM

It wasn't "Gambit" that tried to kill Rogue. It was "Death." Gambit, in his right mind, would never hurt Rogue. She knows that. That is why she is waiting for him.

jackmanx2

01-21-2007, 06:59 PM

anybody know if the anuual is still coming out? i don't see it on Marvel's site anywhere. It's suppose to come out end of the month but its not listed...help!

emmymae

01-21-2007, 07:11 PM

Jackman, the Annual comes out Jan. 31.

Right on Cardslinger! Iamlegend, I am so with you. Rogue has finally committed and that shows great character.

Rogue has NEVER nor has she ever been pathetic. She has dealt with the challenges in her life, especially not being able to touch the people she loves without hurting them, with more grace and courage than most characters I've ever encountered. Rogue could never be considered a victim.

Gambit as Death only tried to kill her because he was possessed. As crazy as it may sound, he offered himself to Apoclypse to protect his teammates, but it majory backfired. Gambit and Rogue have never physically or intentionally hurt each other unless they are out of their right mind.

Gambit is not abusive. He gives Rogue her space and shows her great love the best way he knows how. Gambit is not the abusive man character to whom the poor woman keeps coming back. They both love each other better than anyone else. And that really means something.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Gambit loves Rogue with more passion and conviction than Cyclops ever loved Jean. Their relationship to me represents the nature of real love: it isn't perfect and two people who love each other face obstacles together and try to solve them. This is real love. "Nuff said.:heart:

proteus

01-22-2007, 09:55 AM

Mike Carey posted new info at his site:

http://www.mikecarey.net/

I'm really disappointed that this roster will be no more. :(

usagicassidy

01-22-2007, 12:49 PM

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Gambit loves Rogue with more passion and conviction than Cyclops ever loved Jean. Their relationship to me represents the nature of real love: it isn't perfect and two people who love each other face obstacles together and try to solve them. This is real love. "Nuff said.:heart:

I'd agree with you there. I'm not sure if I was ever really convinced that he ever truely loved Jean - at least as much as she felt for him. The job always came in the way for him - until Emma came around. Now, if we wanna talk about abuse...they have an abusive relationship, not Rogue and Gambit.

Havok83

01-22-2007, 03:17 PM

Mike Carey posted new info at his site:

http://www.mikecarey.net/

I'm really disappointed that this roster will be no more. :(
well it should come as no surrpise bc he said that Iceman, Rogue and Cannonball would be the core three and the rest would be a rotating cast. As long as those 3 stay Im fine. Well Id rather Cable stay but I dont expect much from his membership. The rest aka the villians need to go

jackmanx2

01-22-2007, 03:24 PM

proteus

01-22-2007, 03:27 PM

well it should come as no surrpise bc he said that Iceman, Rogue and Cannonball would be the core three and the rest would be a rotating cast. As long as those 3 stay Im fine. Well Id rather Cable stay but I dont expect much from his membership. The rest aka the villians need to go

It sounds like not even all of those three will remain. If Iceman or Cannoball fall back into limbo I'll be really disappointed. I'm also upset that Cable will most likely be gone. Same goes for Mystique & Lady M, who have shown lots of promise. Guess I'll see when the lineup changes if I'll still want to buy this book.

ProfeZZor X

01-22-2007, 05:09 PM

It sounds like not even all of those three will remain. If Iceman or Cannoball fall back into limbo I'll be really disappointed. I'm also upset that Cable will most likely be gone. Same goes for Mystique & Lady M, who have shown lots of promise. Guess I'll see when the lineup changes if I'll still want to buy this book.

I swear I'll drop this book faster than Gambit can hold out on cheating on Rogue :cwink: . But seriously though, I would lose a lot of respect for Mike Carey if he dropped everyone but Rogue. He's the writer, therefore he should have that kind of control over who stays or goes in his book, aside from putting in what the editors tell him. And for as short a time it's been for him to develop his team so far, it seems like he's coping out on the very fans that praised him for the work he's doing so far...

Leave it up to Marvel to screw things up. They would have been better off not saying anything to the fans at all, if they were going through with these major changes.

Maybe we're all reading into this a little too much right now. Who knows, Marvel could be reading posts like this to get their fan's opinions and dislikes for these changes... Yeah right. :whatever:

proteus

01-22-2007, 06:20 PM

I swear I'll drop this book faster than Gambit can hold out on cheating on Rogue :cwink: . But seriously though, I would lose a lot of respect for Mike Carey if he dropped everyone but Rogue. He's the writer, therefore he should have that kind of control over who stays or goes in his book, aside from putting in what the editors tell him. And for as short a time it's been for him to develop his team so far, it seems like he's coping out on the very fans that praised him for the work he's doing so far...

Leave it up to Marvel to screw things up. They would have been better off not saying anything to the fans at all, if they were going through with these major changes.

Maybe we're all reading into this a little too much right now. Who knows, Marvel could be reading posts like this to get their fan's opinions and dislikes for these changes... Yeah right. :whatever:

ITA. My biggest fear is that with all three main X titles changing their line ups, they'll be littered with C list characters and all the main ones like Iceman, Cannonball, etc. will go back into limbo. We know that Bru plans on leaving some X-Men in space (My fear being this will include Polaris, Havok, and Rachel) and now Carey is getting rid of everyone but one or two characters. :whatever: And who knows who will be left in Astonishing (I'm done with that book if Cyclops & Emma leave). I thought that Carey would at least have a stable team. Guess not. :cmad:

ProfeZZor X

01-22-2007, 07:43 PM

ITA. My biggest fear is that with all three main X titles changing their line ups, they'll be littered with C list characters and all the main ones like Iceman, Cannonball, etc. will go back into limbo. We know that Bru plans on leaving some X-Men in space (My fear being this will include Polaris, Havok, and Rachel) and now Carey is getting rid of everyone but one or two characters. :whatever: And who knows who will be left in Astonishing (I'm done with that book if Cyclops & Emma leave). I thought that Carey would at least have a stable team. Guess not. :cmad:

That sucks big time. And like you said, just when Carey is getting his feet wet with these characters, Marvel pulls the wool over our eyes, and changes everything. But I guess it's no secret that he favors Rogue, so that's a given. It just bewilders me that he would admit that none of the people he spent all this time developing, would some day up and leave for good. It's almost as if Marvel was killing time with this adjectiveless group until they knew what direction they wanted to go into with the X-Universe.

My biggest gripe is the fact that Iceman and/or Cannonball will fall back into the ranks of C-List characters. Thisis just when I was starting to like Sam as a character too. And I don't so much mind the fact that some C-List characters will be brought into the light, which is a good thing for me, so long as they have great powers and are developed well. Ramdom is a prime example of that in Carey's up and coming Annual.

Kevin D. Comicboy

01-22-2007, 07:57 PM

I told you the book was meh. No one beileved me. And if Sam or Bobby goes, who's coming in? Husk, maybe even Angel. I don't know much about Husk, but I don't like her. I rather see Bobby and or Sam. O well.

Havok83

01-22-2007, 08:09 PM

Kevin D. Comicboy

01-22-2007, 08:14 PM

Yes, I did read her in UXM, and those few issues of Excailbur

Havok83

01-22-2007, 09:31 PM

Yes, I did read her in UXM, and those few issues of Excailbur
haha figures. Really I uderstand why you dont like her then. She was nothing like how she used to be.

emmymae

01-22-2007, 09:46 PM

Rogue's Hand

01-23-2007, 05:01 AM

The suspense is killing me. I wanna know exactly what is happening. Does that leave room for Gambit? He's still Death so he maybe can't be returning to the team too soon. Who will the new teammembers be? He said that the conclusion to the awful situation yet to befall Rogue will seriously shock people. Just surprise me, don't spill the beans. :huh:
I'm excited about this:

"Rogue’s fate after the events of Condition Critical is going to be left really hanging in the balance – and this story will resolve the question in a way people will not see coming. When you see the cover to issue 5 of this story, some of you will wet your pants, scald yourselves with hot coffee, fall backwards off your chairs and emit involuntary sounds.
The climax – the pay-off – is HUGE."

I wonder what the heck is going to happen! OMG!
I love Rogue! I hope this is where she'll get her new powers.
Isn't "Condition Critical" a 3 part story?:huh:

I just wanna know what might happen dammit, LOL:woot:

AnnoyingSilence

01-23-2007, 06:38 AM

well... u...?

I really don't analyze the Poop-out-of-iT like yall...

But i sure do like X-men... alot more than any Dc title I've ever read.... period

AnnoyingSilence

01-23-2007, 06:40 AM

And i read a lot of Dc titles(20-30 something)

AnnoyingSilence

01-23-2007, 06:46 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/jusreal/Mystique/Mystique-2.gif?t=1169552726

Generation Lee

01-23-2007, 07:08 AM

ProfeZZor X

01-23-2007, 11:02 AM

Why are people so shocked about what happens after the crossover. Carey stated from day dot that his team's rota would change and in all honesty how long will that team have been together? Usually X Teams do add remove characters at certain points. Anyway people he couldn't have back when he started are probably up for grabs and he has got them.

Changing a couple of characters, okay....
Changing the ENTIRE Freakin team?..... C'mon.

I can understand that he wanted other characters to work with, which I do remember, but from the way it looks, it's as if he was just killing time with this roster until Marvel came up with their definitive plan... Which also means that if he really cared about any of these characters, he would have kept the ones that he really liked, besides Rogue.

It just goes to show that he really didn't care about any of them besides her.

iamlegend

01-23-2007, 11:53 AM

Changing a couple of characters, okay....
Changing the ENTIRE Freakin team?..... C'mon.

I can understand that he wanted other characters to work with, which I do remember, but from the way it looks, it's as if he was just killing time with this roster until Marvel came up with their definitive plan... Which also means that if he really cared about any of these characters, he would have kept the ones that he really liked, besides Rogue.

It just goes to show that he really didn't care about any of them besides her.

We're just figuring this out now? Hasn't it been a little obvious since he took over?:whatever:

04nbod

01-23-2007, 12:18 PM

cannonball and iceman are going- when did this happen*looks over shoulders nervously* why wasn't i told!:(

Colossal Spoons

01-23-2007, 02:41 PM

Brainiac 8

01-23-2007, 03:56 PM

Colossal Spoons

01-23-2007, 03:58 PM

Psylocke is stuck in Claremont world, Sunspot is a b-lister at best, Gambit was raped by Milligan and Carey will fix him hopefully, and I agree about Angel and Husk (One of the only Gen Xers left :( )

I don't mind his team changing much, as long as the main three stay on it.

The ideal team is with Rogue, Gambit, Iceman, Cannonball, Husk, and Angel. Get rid of the villains and Cable.:o

Yeah, I know where my dream characters are; I just don't like it lol

iamlegend

01-23-2007, 04:02 PM

Psylocke is stuck in Claremont world, Sunspot is a b-lister at best, Gambit was raped by Milligan and Carey will fix him hopefully, and I agree about Angel and Husk (One of the only Gen Xers left :( )

I don't mind his team changing much, as long as the main three stay on it.

The ideal team is with Rogue, Gambit, Iceman, Cannonball, Husk, and Angel. Get rid of the villains and Cable.:o

No, don't you get it? Having characters who have been villains for decades on the team is "kewl!" :whatever: :whatever: :whatever:

Brainiac 8

01-23-2007, 04:04 PM

Yeah, I know where my dream characters are; I just don't like it lol

Thing is, is Psylocke was probably the only way they could get Claremont off of UXM and onto another book.

Joe Q: Hey Chris, we are going to move you from Uncanny and onto Exiles.

Claremont: WHAT!?! I don't wanna move to another book.

Joe Q: I know, if you go quietly, you can take Psylocke with you.

Claremont: WOOHOO!

Joe Q: DOH!

Brainiac 8

01-23-2007, 04:08 PM

No, don't you get it? Having characters who have been villains for decades on the team is "kewl!" :whatever: :whatever: :whatever:

If done correctly, it makes great storytelling. If we didn't periodically reform villains, we wouldn't have ever had Quicksilver Hawkeye, and Scarlet Witch on the Avengers...or even the creation of the Thunderbolts.

I even love Juggs being on Excalibur.

But I don't really like Sabertooth and Mystique being on the team. They have learned their lessons, or so you would have thought. Remember both of them being on X-Factor, and how big of a mistake that was.

Learn from continuity dangit! :cmad:

Kevin D. Comicboy

01-23-2007, 04:14 PM

I'm fine with Raven on the team. I like her.

Brainiac 8

01-23-2007, 04:21 PM

I'm fine with Raven on the team. I like her.

I bought the reason Rogue gave for putting her on the team.

At least it makes more sense than having Creed on the team.:huh:

squeekness

01-23-2007, 04:24 PM

Creed is cool in a serial killer on Crack sorta way. I like him being there. :D

proteus

01-23-2007, 05:44 PM

I'm fine with Raven on the team. I like her.

Me too. I like Sabretooth on the team as well.

ProfeZZor X

01-23-2007, 06:12 PM

This roster did seem really temporary anyway with Cable, Mystique, and Sabes on it.

Wait, so let me get this straight: there's gonna be a crossover event that spans across the 4 X-Book in continuity(all but Astonishing) and the stat-quo is gonna get shaken up again? I thought we just had a shake up when Cyclops reassigned all the team? I don't wanna see any C-list X-Men. Get rid of all the straglers that nobody cares about and bring back Angel, Husk, Sunspot, Gambit, and Psylocke. I'm getting really tired of "shake-up". Avengers, X-Men, enough already..

The roster seemed temporary in the sense that Carey wasn't given a lot of characters to choose from to work with in the first place. Although now, he'll be in the same situation, so I really don't see a difference from now until the time the changes take place. Either way, he'll still be stuck with some characters he may not like.

Sunfire would be a good character to add on, and from Mike Carey's response to me on considering New X-Men students, it looks like he's open to the idea:

"ProfeZZor - I think you make a really compelling case. There are a lot of personalities in the new X-Men team who’ve more than shown their worth now. And several who I’d really enjoy writing if I got the chance (see above). I take your point, Mike, that things progressed a lot more slowly in the New Mutants era - but these are dark days, and the X-children have had to grow up fast. The question isn’t whether they’re ready for the majors, it’s more whether there’s any way of keeping them in the classroom if they decide they’d rather be some place else…

Comment by Mike Carey — January 22, 2007 @ 4:26 pm"

LINK: http://www.mikecarey.net/?p=168#comments

Colossal Spoons

01-23-2007, 06:30 PM

Carey not given a lot of characters to work with? Husk, Sunspot, and Angel aren't doin squat.

Rogue's Hand

01-23-2007, 06:40 PM

The roster seemed temporary in the sense that Carey wasn't given a lot of characters to choose from to work with in the first place. Although now, he'll be in the same situation, so I really don't see a difference from now until the time the changes take place. Either way, he'll still be stuck with some characters he may not like.

Sunfire would be a good character to add on, and from Mike Carey's response to me on considering New X-Men students, it looks like he's open to the idea:

"ProfeZZor - I think you make a really compelling case. There are a lot of personalities in the new X-Men team who’ve more than shown their worth now. And several who I’d really enjoy writing if I got the chance (see above). I take your point, Mike, that things progressed a lot more slowly in the New Mutants era - but these are dark days, and the X-children have had to grow up fast. The question isn’t whether they’re ready for the majors, it’s more whether there’s any way of keeping them in the classroom if they decide they’d rather be some place else…

Comment by Mike Carey — January 22, 2007 @ 4:26 pm"

LINK: http://www.mikecarey.net/?p=168#comments
Sunfire on the team :huh:
Yeah right, not after Rogue milked him for his powers.
If anything, they'll be fighting w/ him.

Rogue's Hand

01-23-2007, 06:41 PM

Carey not given a lot of characters to work with? Husk, Sunspot, and Angel aren't doin squat.
I love Husk, hope she comes to the team soon.

Colossal Spoons

01-23-2007, 06:41 PM

I love Husk, hope she comes to the team soon.

Well she's apparently just hangin around the mansion :rolleyes:

Rogue's Hand

01-23-2007, 06:45 PM

Well she's apparently just hangin around the mansion :rolleyes:
I loved Paige, she'd be great, especially w/ her brother on the team.

Colossal Spoons

01-23-2007, 06:59 PM

I loved Paige, she'd be great, especially w/ her brother on the team.

I wouldn't want a brother/sister combo on a team. It's make Sam do things he wouldn't normally do to protect her...especially after losing Jay. :csad:

Mother_Askani

01-24-2007, 01:22 AM

The way Mike Carey explained the roster change makes sense. It's currently a team set-up for a specific mission, so it includes some oddballs like Cable & Sabertooth, and if their role is going to change, the line-up should change as well

If only 2-3 members of team remains, that's likely to include Rogue, Bobby, Sam and Mystique. Carey is really fixated on the Rogue/Mystique relationship, so of the reformed villains, Mystique is the most likely to stay.

If the new Astonishing writer got to pick his (or her) team first, it is possible that Bobby or even Rogue could go over to Astonishing. I think Bobby is the most likely.

So, my guess is Rogue, Mystique and Sam remain.

With Carey's emphasis on family, the odds of Paige joining are high.

Based on Carey's post saying he couldn't spill the beans since those beans are tied to other beans suggests that members of Uncanny or Astonishing are moving over to Adjectiveless, not book-less characters like Angel and Husk.

My guess for the character that Carey was referring to as "potential dibs on a character I didn’t even ask for because I was sure the answer was going to be no" would be either Psylocke or possibly Rachel.

Carey has been keen to have a telepath on the team, and that's why he added Cable. But Nate isn't really a telepath. Getting Psylocke away from Claremont might be difficult, but not impossible.

I'm absolutely praying that Carey gets Cable and Rachel, but I doubt the editors would let that happen.

One odd thing Carey posted was "On the Uncanny side of things, I’ve always liked both Colossus and Nightcrawler" when picking his dream team. Was that just a typo or did he let something slip about the new Uncanny line-up?

Another thing that Carey posted was "And yeah, everyone who leaves the team will do so for a reason. There’s an inexorable (in some cases grim) logic to everything that happens."

I wonder if the use of "grim" could mean one of the team dies? Or perhaps another character's death prompts character(s) to part ways with the X-Men?

AndThePickles

01-24-2007, 01:41 AM

iamlegend

01-24-2007, 12:15 PM

If we're going for a shakeup then the smart money says that Wolverine winds up all three times again somehow...

Brainiac 8

01-24-2007, 12:45 PM

If we're going for a shakeup then the smart money says that Wolverine winds up all three times again somehow...

Bite your tongue!:cmad:

iamlegend

01-24-2007, 02:11 PM

Bite your tongue!:cmad:

I speak only the truth... Sad thing is that most people would actually be okay with said scenario.

@JeanGrey

01-24-2007, 02:18 PM

I remember Carey telling us that a person from Rogue's past will be in the following arcs. Plus the changes in her love life. Has anyone thought that she may tie with someone that she was interested in in the past? Or a former villain? Perhaps Magneto..? Why does it have to be anyone from her current team?

Colossal Spoons

01-24-2007, 02:26 PM

If we're going for a shakeup then the smart money says that Wolverine winds up all three times again somehow...

Hopefully his full-time Avenger status puts a stop to that.

ProfeZZor X

01-24-2007, 05:50 PM

LIVEWIRE interview with Mike Carey:

In part one, Ian Murphy talks to the writer of Ultimate Fantastic Four, Ultimate Vision, God Save The Queen, Faker, Crossing Midnight and X-Men about the forthcoming X-Men annual and this autumn’s big X-book crossover.

Discuss the interview at the LWW Forums Here (http://livewireworld.net/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=55303#55303)

LWW: Are you all recovered after your long plane journey?

MC: Yeah, pretty much. It was tiring, but I had the whole of Saturday to veg out and get myself back up to speed.

Can you just give me a second Ian? [aside: The chicken will be ready at about twenty past seven, could you put … we’ll have it with a little pasta] Sorry, go ahead Ian.

So how intimidated did you feel when you first offered the job of writing X-Men?

My first response was ‘ this has to be some kind of a joke’, it came so much out of left field; obviously I was already doing stuff for Marvel but I wasn’t doing any monthlies. I’d done a couple of fill-in jobs and one mini-series. So that was my first response, utter disbelief. When I got over that, yes, it was quite scary, and immensely exciting because I’ve always been a big fan of the franchise and I’ve followed it intermittently ever since Chris Claremont revamped the X-Men back in the 1970s. It was scary and exciting in equal measure.

What was your biggest concern in terms of making the book a success?

I wanted to choose the right team. I wanted to make sure that I had a team that worked, both in terms of the internal dynamic and, just as importantly, in terms of my ability to voice the characters. I went out of my way to choose characters who I could do interesting things with and who I could write and voice convincingly.

Seven issues into your run now, how are you enjoying it?

An awful lot. It’s great. It’s a pure adrenaline rush. I think it’s hard to say which of X-Men and Ultimate Fantastic Four I enjoy more, they’re both such fantastic books. I sit down to rough out the scripts with a feeling of anticipation and excitement – it’s not like working, it’s not like working for a living at all.

The fan reaction has generally been really positive. Knowing how difficult X-fans can be to please, were you surprised by that?

Yes I was, and hugely relieved. I’ve had this conversation with a couple of other writers … I’m aware that when you take over a book that’s been written for as long as X-Men has, and is as popular – and I’m talking about the whole line – every character you use, every character you bring in, there’s going to be a contingent of people who have an enormous emotional investment in that character. There’s that line from WB Yeats ‘tread softly because you tread on my dreams’. There’s a sense that the materials you’re using are immensely important to a lot of people. I think you have to bear that in mind, you have to have that at the front of your mind when you write – which is not to say that you try to preserve the status quo or you don’t do things just because you know they’ll be unpopular with some parts of the audience, but you need to be aware that there is that emotional investment and therefore everything you do is going to be watched very very closely by a large group of people and is going to matter to them a lot. I’ve tried very hard to address fans’ concerns courteously and with due consideration when people post on my blog and so on. I try to engage in as open and honest a dialogue as I can.

In terms of plotting and scripting, are things roughly playing out as you expected them to when you started writing X-Men?

Yes and no. There are always a few curveballs, certain things – you’ll suddenly get a call from one of the editorial team saying ‘you need to be aware that such-and-such is happening in Wolverine, so you can do this but you have to do it in a slightly different way’, or ‘this character’s going to be somewhere else at that time’, or whatever, so it’s not all plain sailing. But in broad terms, what I’ve wanted to do in the first year, I’ve been able to do. I always intended to do one longer arc and then two shorter arcs, which would bring us up to [issue number] 200 and bring us to an interesting place; and then in #200 everything explodes and it’s all up for grabs.

When I think of milestone issues, I often think of birthdays and the ways different people approach them. Were you mindful of #200 being a milestone issue or was it just another year older, just another issue?

It was something that I realised very quickly, that if I started with #188 then my first anniversary was gonna be this huge milestone issue and I was already asking myself, where do I want to be when that happens? I had a couple of early discussions with Michael Marts, who was the editor when I came onboard, about whether we’d be able to make it a larger than usual issue, and what we might do with the extra page count. What else would be happening in the line at that time, and so on.

The timing has been serendipitous because we’re building towards this big crossover event which will actually happen towards the tail end of this year, by which time we’ll be on issue #205, so what we were able to do was to start planting seeds and to use 200 and the arc that launches in 200 to really set things up for that, to really start the balls moving for that.

A lot of the speculation around #200 is that Sinister will be the big villain – is that something you could confirm or deny?

I couldn’t possibly comment; but I will say that there are some familiar faces from a long time back coming into that crossover, and coming into the arc that starts with 200, but the core situation is something totally new.

The constant speculation as to who’s joining or leaving the team, who the next villain will be etc. – does that ever become an irritation? Does the speculation create am extra pressure on you to bring your best game, knowing that people are so interested and excited and talking so much about what’s going to happen?

No, it’s not an irritation. I sometimes feel bad when fans ask me a direct question and I have to duck it and say I can’t comment on that. And then again I sometimes feel an uneasiness if I do reply to a question and then I think ‘no, I shouldn’t have said that, I shouldn’t have given that away’. Sometimes I say too much and then worry about it. It’s a tension between satisfying readers’ curiosity and keeping up the anticipation, because the anticipation is part of the pleasure.

I think the speculation does bring an extra pressure but at times like this, when I’ve just come back from the summit and I know how things are gonna shape up over the next year and I know there’s all this incredible stuff about to happen, I can absolutely relate to what that guy from Pixar said – it feels like you’re throwing a big party and hundreds of thousands of people are going to come, and only you know what’s on the menu.

I know I can’t expect you to name names but is it true that the next Astonishing X-Men writer was at the summit?

Again, I can’t confirm or deny that but there was somebody at the conference who is a writer, is not currently writing any of the X-books, and is gonna have a role. I can’t say more than that, sorry

Astonishing X-Men isn’t down for being part of the crossover as such, but will the Astonishing team still feature?

Yes, they will, very much so.

One thing I can tell you, structurally, which is very interesting and hasn’t been done before, is that there’s gonna be a prologue to the whole story, and it will be handled in an interesting and, I think, unique way, so that thematically certain beats are going to be hit and it’s not going to be quite in the way you’d expect, like a freestanding title, it’s going to be slightly different.

And that prologue, is that the story you’ll be running from X-Men #200, or a stand-alone issue or a mini?

It’s something different. There is definitely a sense in which the X-Men arc #200 to #203 definitely feeds directly into the situation in the crossover, but the prologue is something different.

How difficult is it to imagine moving from being the sole writer of a book to being one of four writers working on a bigger story? This is your first big crossover – how do you feel about it, going into it?

It’s potentially a nightmare. The possible ramifications are awful if communications get screwed up. I went into the summit with some misgivings about how it might be handled but it was clear that Axel [Alonso] knew what he was doing and that the X-Men editorial team had already anticipated this problem and had solutions to hand. We all came away – I think the most significant thing I can say is that at some point during the two days every writer in the room went ‘I can’t wait to write this’.

I think what gives me confidence is that I can see that the people who are in charge of it know what they are doing, and I think from that point of view that we’re all in good hands. I think also, having read the big X-Men crossovers of the 80s and 90s I came in with some very strong opinions about what we should do and what we shouldn’t do, about how it could possibly go wrong, and certain kinds of approaches that we should avoid; so although I am a virgin in the sense that I’ve never been part of one of these events before I don’t feel out of my depth.

You mentioned on your blog that the Sentinels that are ‘guarding’ the X-Mansion will be dealt with as a side plot; could you give us any hint as to what kind of plot that might involve?

I will say that they feature not as one of the key factions, the key players in the story, but there is a moment when they come in on a tangent and you think ‘Yes!’ and you see a connection that hasn’t been apparent before. One of the beauties of this crossover is that because we started talking about this in June, we – all the X-writers - knew certain things that were going to happen and, whether consciously or unconsciously, we’ve all been dropping in little hints and setting up elements that are going to be used. We’ve got a lot of the pieces in place for this story and it will seem so organic when it happens.

Gambit will be back after issue #200 – are there any other old friends that we can look forward to seeing again?

Yes, definitely. The Beaubier twins will be playing a part. You already asked about the Astonishing team, they will be there. There’ll be some pretty amazing villains from a while back as well as some new characters. I think it’s got all of my favourite characters in it but as with all the crossover events that actually work, at the heart of it is a very simple idea. It’s not like a baroque monstrosity that spills out in all directions. It’s a very tight and focused story that just has a lot of elements feeding into it.

With Gambit, are we thinking about Sunfire as well?

Sunfire will also be there, but Gambit’s role is larger than Sunfire’s. More significant things will happen to Gambit.

The Annual is fast approaching now – whose idea was it to do a X-Men annual?

I think it was Mike Marts, or possibly someone higher up in the chain of command, but it was Mike who approached me. I went away and chewed over what we could do in it and then we talked and compared notes and we thought of a way that the annual could be yet another beat on the way to the big story. There’s a revelation in the annual about M-Day, DeciMation, in a way bringing to the fore a question that should perhaps have been asked sooner, and giving an answer to it, and that answer starts a whole lot of other things happening.

Was this a story that you already had in mind that you wanted to tell, or something that you had specifically in mind for the annual?

It was a combination of the two. The role that the twins play, the Beaubier twins … one of the threads in the story is trying to cure Northstar and Aurora from the mind manipulation that Northstar in particular has been exposed to and in Aurora’s case, the psychotic breakdown she’s had; that was something that I always wanted to do because having used them simply as cat’s pawns and bad guys in the Supernova storyline I was left without the space to take their story forward and I knew that at some point I had to go back and do that, I didn’t want to leave them there in limbo.

The other plot thread, about Exodus and the Acolytes, that was something I pitched to Mike there and then.

Where have the Beaubiers been since the Supernova arc?

They’ve been at the mansion, they’ve been under sedation. They can’t be allowed to wake up or be free for a moment because being speedsters a moment can be a couple of hours to them, they can cause a vast amount of havoc in a very short amount of time. So the X-Men have had this problem of how to deal with people who are basically bombs, grenades, potentially very dangerous indeed, and at the same time their friends, team-mates, comrades, and they can’t be left to rot; and so Rogue and Cable and Emma Frost have come up with a possible way of dealing with the situation and that’s what the annual shows us.

It seemed to me that Northstar really blossomed when he became a X-man and that his character really blossomed for the first time since the early days of Alpha Flight.

I think that’s fair to say

Do you have any interest, somewhere down the line, in writing Northstar as a X-man?

Yes. Very much so. I like Northstar a lot. I like both of the Beaubier twins. I liked some of the things that were happening with Aurora in Weapon X and I think she’s potentially a very interesting character as well, so I’d be happy to have either or both of the Beaubier twins as part of my regular cast.

The return of Exodus – what was it about the character that made you want to bring him back?

This is going to sound incredibly shallow and trivial, but one of the things I like about him is his name, and the religious overtones that it intentionally conveys. I don’t know whether it’s ever been explicitly stated but in the annual I have him saying that ‘when Magneto baptised me I ceased to be a man, I became an idea. I am the setting out and the going forth, I am the road that leads to salvation’. The name, from the Old Testament, about the wanderings in the wilderness and the finding of the Promised Land, that is exactly the ideal he wants to embody for mutantkind, the taking of mutants out from among their enemies and bringing them into a place of their own.

The idea that ‘I embody’ and ‘I represent’ – I like that kind of Messianic madness that he has about him. In a way, Cable has that too. Cable has no limit to his ambitions, he thinks he can save the world single-handed. If you’re prepared to go to any lengths to realise your dream then there’s almost no distinction between heroes and villains at that stage.

What’s Exodus’ current agenda, and what ways does he have in mind to achieve those goals?

I don’t want to answer the second part of that question, but the agenda is the same as it ever was – mutant separatism and the salvation of mutantkind, bearing in mind that he’s now dealing with a mutantkind of fewer than 200.

The preview art shows to be what looks like Cargill, Tempo and Random by his side – is there anyone else that we can expect to see allied with him?

Not in the annual, but you will be seeing them again soon, and when we see them they will be in bigger company.

The preview pages show Rogue & Mystique aboard a SHIELD Helicarrier – are they there as guests or prisoners?

Initially as guests, but things don’t go according to plan.

Coming back to your previous question, Ian, there is one other character, one other villain, if you like, that we see in the annual, who doesn’t come in until the very last page, and it’s very much a teaser for the next story so I won’t tell you who they are. It will be a big moment when you see this character. ... ...

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emmymae

01-24-2007, 08:26 PM

Gambit's coming back! I'm so happy. But I'm quesy about what's going to happen to the other characters even though I'm a major fan of Gambit and Rogue. Of course, I'm dying to know what will happen when Gambit and Rogue come face to face again. Carey, Carey he's the man!:wow:

squeekness

01-24-2007, 09:05 PM

Yay! Gambit! Of course he didn't say that Gambit would join a team....

Kevin D. Comicboy

01-24-2007, 09:13 PM

Gambit joins, book will suck.

Havok83

01-24-2007, 10:28 PM

I think Carey gives way too many interviews

Kevin D. Comicboy

01-24-2007, 11:09 PM

I think Carey gives way too many interviews
Each making me less happy.

iamlegend

01-25-2007, 12:57 AM

Gambit joins, book will suck.

How trivial a reader can you be if you think ONE character could kill a book? And Gambit won't be rejoining any teams in a permanent sense for quite awhile, I'd think. Not during his first reappearance, anyway.