Official X-MEN: LEGACY Discussion Thread

[Specter313]

X-Men




Creative Team: Mike Carey(writer) & Chris Bachalo(artist)


http://www.newsarama.com/JoeFridays/JF46art/XMEN188COVER1_400.jpg
http://www.mikecarey.net/images/xmen_191.jpg

Team Members: Rogue, Mystique, Sabretooth, Cannonball, Cable, Iceman, Karima Shapandar, Lady Mastermind

Storyline Info: As old threats begin to die down, new threats emerge as the effects are still being felt. Who are these "Children", what do they want, and what even has Sabretooth shaking in his boots? X-Men, new and old, come together to meet this threat head on in a brand new line up that has the fans talking.

[Specter313]

Preview art for X-Men #188

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/rage/images/060507/xmen188006col.jpg

[ghost113]

I'm liking everyones new looks but I staarting to see what everyone is talking about Bachalo is good but he sucks at the same time.

[Exploding Boy]

I hate the way that Sam looks these days.

[PWN3R]

I don't read this, but I'm thinking I will jump on with Carey....

[ghost113]

yeah iv'e heard of him his books are supposed to be kind of dark so I am happy he is coming to this book. MILLIGAN SUCKS!!!

[cardslinger]

Rogue is awsome!!!!:D

[Colossal Spoons]

Milligan doesn't suck, he just needs to tone down the petty drama.

[LittleMissVixen]

I liked Miligans X-Force/X-Statix, but his run on X-Men was awwwwful.

After Austen, and Miligan, I hope Carey can move things in the right direction.

[Nightwolf]

Before i saw that pic i was a bit upset that Rogue was going to be leader of this team, especially with Cable there, but if she continues to look as badass as she does in the pic ill be happy with the choice. This team struggles with having too many good leaders while uncanny struggles, imo to find one.

[La The Darkman]

I'll give this book another try once Milligan's crap is over, I tried giving it a shot after H.O.M. but it just got work......Hooray for the creative team.....for now.

[LEX]

I don't read this title, but the new preview with Rogue looks really good. I think I might give it a try. Is it any good?

[Sean Madrox]

Hopefully this will be a good run, the dreadful Apoclypse arc was rough for me. Bachalo is a fine artist, he just puts too damn much so the art looks all over the place. I hope that he drops it down a notch.

[usagicassidy]

I'm liking how Bachalo's drawing right now...more than I liked what he was drawing in the late 90's. Honestly, not knowing a thing about Milligan and hoping it would be better than Austen (who, by the way, I enjoyed 40% of the time, accepted 40%, and hated 20%), but every single issue he's written has been as bad as Austen's worst.

I will start picking up X-Men once 'new guy' jumps on board, but if I don't like it after the first arc (which HAS to be better than that Golgotha crap!), I'll drop it again.

And I'm gonna give Mystique and Sabes a shot. Loved loved loved them on X-Factor.

[mightiest_mortal]

looking forward to giving it a try.... really not a fan of Bachelos work tho at the moment, I dont think that you should have to spend 10 minutes trying to work out whats going on in each panel. his art style really doesnt make things clear.

[cerealkiller182]

Who is Cannoball fighting in the pic above? and who are the two girls to the left of them?

[Exploding Boy]

It looks like AoA Sunfire

[Iceman/Psylocke]

These Official comic threads were a damned good idea. :up:

[cardslinger]

First look for X-Men #186
http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0605/10/marvelfirsts.htm

[cardslinger]

You guys don't seem to care, but this one is easier to read.
http://www.popcultureshock.com/v/comic-previews/marvel-comics/x-men/x-men-186/x-men-186_cover.jpg.html

[ghost113]

iv'e seen it where the hell did captain america and iron man come from.

[canned_raccoon]

iv'e seen it where the hell did captain america and iron man come from.

i'd say they're probably doing the whole 'avengers protecting the un' thing..

[Colossal Spoons]

Well Apoc is a threat to humans so I see why the Avengers would get called in.

[Specter313]

You guys don't seem to care, but this one is easier to read.


Just go ahead and link the pictures and they'll get more notice.

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0605/10/xmen186c.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0605/10/xmen1861.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0605/10/xmen1862.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0605/10/xmen1863.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0605/10/xmen1864.jpg

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0605/10/xmen1865.jpg

Anyone else think these new Sentinel designs are ripped off from Neon Genesis Evangelion?

[Colossal Spoons]

^Totally

Is that artist the same guy who did the Taskmaster mini? His IronMan looks really familiar. His Beast on the first page is AWESOME too!

[cardslinger]

I just got X-Men #186 and I am unimpressed.:mad:
This story had so much potential.

[Specter313]

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Aug06/XMEM190COVER_400.jpg

X-MEN #190
Written by MIKE CAREY
Pencils & Cover by CHRIS BACHALO
“SUPERNOVAS”
Northstar and Aurora are back! Awoken by a mysterious new threat, the twins have been let loose in the Xavier Mansion, leaving a path way of destruction and death. Their mission: Kill Sabretooth! Part 3 (of 6)!
32 PGS./Rated A ...$2.99

[cardslinger]

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Aug06/XMEM190COVER_400.jpg




X-MEN #190
Written by MIKE CAREY
Pencils & Cover by CHRIS BACHALO
“SUPERNOVAS”
Northstar and Aurora are back! Awoken by a mysterious new threat, the twins have been let loose in the Xavier Mansion, leaving a path way of destruction and death. Their mission: Kill Sabretooth! Part 3 (of 6)!
32 PGS./Rated A ...$2.99



:eek: So Mystique is Iceman's new love intorest?
I can't wait for the new creative team for this title. I am so sick of Milligan.

[Mar420x]

hmmm. i guess i gotta see how the storyline plays out b4 i judge the cover. i guess mystique is gonna b the emma of x-men. peace.

[The Englishman]

I hope this makes Iceman a main player in this comic. I think this relationship could potentialy be really interesting for him.
Has anybody got a picture of the front cover of part 2?

[The Englishman]

Before i saw that pic i was a bit upset that Rogue was going to be leader of this team, especially with Cable there, but if she continues to look as badass as she does in the pic ill be happy with the choice. This team struggles with having too many good leaders while uncanny struggles, imo to find one.

How do you know shes going to be the Leader???

[cardslinger]

I believe it has been stated by the writer that Rogue will be the leader of this team. I could be wrong though.

[Colossal Spoons]

Cable would make the most sense, unless he's a part timer like Logan is for the Avengers.

[cerealkiller182]

I dont think Cable should even be on the team. It is so against what he is doing in Cable and Deadpool exiling himself from America on his island.

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, I'm not sure how that's gonna sync up with the story being told in C&D. It really looks like he'll be getting the Wolverine treatment: part time on a 2nd team and the ability to be in multiple places at once.

[Valechan]

just got 185... this sucks... Milligan go away already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fans have said NO NO And nO TO YOU!!!!

[Sean Madrox]

I can't wait until the new run.

[Kanon]

Anyone else think these new Sentinel designs are ripped off from Neon Genesis Evangelion?
I agree. And they suck.

[Generation Lee]

I dont think Cable should even be on the team. It is so against what he is doing in Cable and Deadpool exiling himself from America on his island.


Well Decemation has occured and mutants need all the help they can get therefore I could see him biting the bullet to help Mutants in America. BTW I don't read C&D so this is only an opinion as to why he would leave.

[ghost113]

that is a kick ass pic of iceman and mystigue.

[El Bastardo]

Northstar's going to be back? Well, I guess we were right when we saw that first cover.

Wonder if his brainwashing will be touched upon. SHIELD was trying to deprogram him, but looked like they were unsuccessful. Has it been dealt with since, and I missed it?

[spark627]

i cant wait for the new run, rogue looks amazing

milligan sucks so freaking hard, i have hated every arc of his run, he made my fave character (rogue) so boring and whiney

[cerealkiller182]

Did Sabertooth join the X-Men?

[squeekness]

i cant wait for the new run, rogue looks amazing

milligan sucks so freaking hard, i have hated every arc of his run, he made my fave character (rogue) so boring and whineyyeah well, he turned mine (Gambit) and turned him into a freak. Now he's gone off to who knows where and I have no idea when I will see him again. :( #186 sucked the great big fat one.

[Colossal Spoons]

I wonder what book Milligan would be best suited for?

[squeekness]

I wonder what Milligan would be best suited for?A slow agonizing death? :p j/k.

[Colossal Spoons]

Heh, I didn't think Golgotha was THAT bad.

[squeekness]

Heh, I didn't think Golgotha was THAT bad.Nah, it's pretty much been the Horseman arc that burned me. It was like he had no clue who he was worting, like these were strangers in X-men uniforms. Maybe Milligan was drugged.....:p

[Colossal Spoons]

Hey, at least he did make Lorna a tad more interesting. And I'm always down for anything Sunfire related, wish he'd join a team already.

[squeekness]

Yeah, Sunfire's pretty cool. Maybe he and Gambit will create their own team now. :)

[Colossal Spoons]

I'd read the hell outta that book. Bishop can be on it too since he's MIA from any solicit for the next 80 years :mad:

[Iceman/Psylocke]

Is there any info on what might happen to Gambit now? If he's chosen this route will it be easy for everyone to forgive him?

[Colossal Spoons]

To heck with Gambit's future, the X-world needs more Sunfire.

[Mar420x]

*throws x-men #186 across the room* what a lame conclusion story nothing eXciting happened in this arc, but destorying gambit's future on the team.

[proteus]

I haven't gotten the issue yet. What happened to Gambit and Apocalypse at the end? Thanks.

[Colossal Spoons]

I wonder when and how we're gonna find out what happens between Apoc and the Celestials. Milligan's gone in June, so I don't know.

[squeekness]

I wonder when and how we're gonna find out what happens between Apoc and the Celestials. Milligan's gone in June, so I don't know.This arc was so lame I don't even care what happens to Apocolypse. :down I just want my Gambit back.

[chris moore]

Bleedin nothing happened!

Apocalypse put up like... no fight. Bobby just poured on the ice, showing nothing of his power levels. War got stabbed (ooohhh he was tough), Lorna did squat; and why is the headmistress and sex counsellor isoltaing pathogens and monitoring t-cells? Christ! Keep her out of a book for one flamin' minute would ya?! Dont stick her in for the sake of stickin her in! You got a patient with a never before seen condition - call Beast ya pratt Milligan! The sentinels just fired stuff at the sphinx till it dropped (like any energy based mutant like Havok couldnt pour it on and do the same...) - which was just Milligan's excuse to stick the powerzords in or whatever the power rangers call those things. Pulse saved the day by doing what bloody Rogue does...

No conclusion, no progression of any character... oh... my... god...

[squeekness]

Well, hopefully with a new writer coming on board it'll be better. ...

[Colossal Spoons]

Bleedin nothing happened!

Apocalypse put up like... no fight. Bobby just poured on the ice, showing nothing of his power levels. War got stabbed (ooohhh he was tough), Lorna did squat; and why is the headmistress and sex counsellor isoltaing pathogens and monitoring t-cells? Christ! Keep her out of a book for one flamin' minute would ya?! Dont stick her in for the sake of stickin her in! You got a patient with a never before seen condition - call Beast ya pratt Milligan! The sentinels just fired stuff at the sphinx till it dropped (like any energy based mutant like Havok couldnt pour it on and do the same...) - which was just Milligan's excuse to stick the powerzords in or whatever the power rangers call those things. Pulse saved the day by doing what bloody Rogue does...

No conclusion, no progression of any character... oh... my... god...

I was neutral about the arc until reading your post. Your points are very valid, can't say I'll miss Milligan.

[squeekness]

*gives Milligan the boot* :mad:

[Generation Lee]

After read this crap today that's it I'm not getting Milligan's last issue roll on July. What a waste of paper I know a few comics going into the recycle bin.

[canned_raccoon]

and why is the headmistress and sex counsellor isoltaing pathogens and monitoring t-cells?

especially when she doesn't seem to even know that it wouldn't mean squat if lorna's oesophagus closed up.. if it was her trachea however, that might have been a problem that could've been remedied by cpr and a large injection of adrenalin. Grr the anatomy nerd strikes again!

[Colossal Spoons]

Heh, but if her esophagus closed up she wouldn't be able to eat....while unconscious!

[Colossal Spoons]

2x post

[proteus]

But does anyone know what happened to Apocalypse & Gambit at the end?

[Colossal Spoons]

Nope, and I dunno if we'll ever find out about Apoc with Milligan leaving.

[Valechan]

187 is Milligan's too, perhaps he will wrap things up there.

[f4faith]

187 is Milligan's too, perhaps he will wrap things up there.

Nah that just gives him one more issue to make it even worse. I really wish I was joking about that too.

[Iceman/Psylocke]

To heck with Gambit's future, the X-world needs more Sunfire.

SUnfire can replace Gambit - What do you think Squeeks?

I'm a Sunfire fan as long as he calms his attitude down a notch. I'd like to see him on the X-teams arguing with everyone.

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, he's got this snobby Namor thing about him.

[ProfeZZor X]

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Aug06/XMEM190COVER_400.jpg






X-MEN #190
Written by MIKE CAREY
Pencils & Cover by CHRIS BACHALO
“SUPERNOVAS”
Northstar and Aurora are back! Awoken by a mysterious new threat, the twins have been let loose in the Xavier Mansion, leaving a path way of destruction and death. Their mission: Kill Sabretooth! Part 3 (of 6)!
32 PGS./Rated A ...$2.99




Actually, going through the posts here, no one is really talking about it... :confused: :mad:. I was attempting to talk about the controversy of the subject matter on the cover, and what it means for both characters, but the way it was presented in this thread is just "FYI" information.

[Specter313]

Actually, going through the posts here, no one is really talking about it... :confused: :mad:. I was attempting to talk about the controversy of the subject matter on the cover, and what it means for both characters, but the way it was presented in this thread is just "FYI" information.

Still, the reason why I created these official threads, and why I let everyone vote on whether or not to create them, is so that we wouldn't have a new thread for every single piece of upcoming artwork or whatever that comes out. If you want to bring up something like that, copy the art, and say what you want to say in the official thread for that title.

[Exploding Boy]

Regarding the cover of issue#190. I just thought, maybe Mystique started kissing Bobby when she was disguised as someone else and Bobby doesent know its her. Now she could have turned back to Mystique during the kiss or she could have been disguised through out the entire kiss and it just shows her as Mystique for the sake of the cover...

[Colossal Spoons]

Or maybe the cover has nothing to do with the contnts of the book. I hate when they do that but it's possible.

[Exploding Boy]

That happens far far far to often.

[mightiest_mortal]

that covers beautiful.
has me more interested in the style.

is that gonna be the regular coulourer on X-men?
Never normally a fan of Bachelos work oat all, but on reflection.. with the right colourist it could be good.

[usagicassidy]

Yeah that art is quite impressive.

So for clarification on my part...when is Milligan's last issue?! I need this new creative team NOW!

[ProfeZZor X]

Still, the reason why I created these official threads, and why I let everyone vote on whether or not to create them, is so that we wouldn't have a new thread for every single piece of upcoming artwork or whatever that comes out. If you want to bring up something like that, copy the art, and say what you want to say in the official thread for that title.

Here it is, 8 hours later, and still no one really talking about the subject matter of the cover art (X-Men #190).... What a jip.

There are plenty of topics in this forum that are generalized questions, yet all conform to the same thing... X-Men comics. And if asking a general question in a more broader thread is the thing to, why not have one mega-thread called "X-Men" and everyone ask their questions there if that's the case.

And although I don't believe you're singling me out, the fact that my specific question is asked about the impending relationship between Iceman and Mystique is placed in a topic that generalizes the upcoming X-Men issues is ridiculous. That's like me asking "Do you think Rogue & Gambit will get back together, now that he's a horseman" and putting it in this thread... It just doesn't make sense. If my thread was deleted because you wanted credit for posting the cover first, then please step up to the plate and say so.... I copied it from elsewhere before I came into this forum.

Nonetheless, I'm sure this cover will be lost amongst the many multiple pages of generalized questions and meaningless ramblings in the next few days and weeks, and it'll be forgotten about... What a shame. :( :down

[Specter313]

Here it is, 8 hours later, and still no one really talking about the subject matter of the cover art (X-Men #190).... What a jip.

There are plenty of topics in this forum that are generalized questions, yet all conform to the same thing... X-Men comics. And if asking a general question in a more broader thread is the thing to, why not have one mega-thread called "X-Men" and everyone ask their questions there if that's the case.

And although I don't believe you're singling me out, the fact that my specific question is asked about the impending relationship between Iceman and Mystique is placed in a topic that generalizes the upcoming X-Men issues is ridiculous. That's like me asking "Do you think Rogue & Gambit will get back together, now that he's a horseman" and putting it in this thread... It just doesn't make sense. If my thread was deleted because you wanted credit for posting the cover first, then please step up to the plate and say so.... I copied it from elsewhere before I came into this forum.

Nonetheless, I'm sure this cover will be lost amongst the many multiple pages of generalized questions and meaningless ramblings in the next few days and weeks, and it'll be forgotten about... What a shame. :( :down

This has nothing to do with "who posted first" or singling you out. If anyone else did anything similar, I'd say the same thing, and the mods would probably close it too.

Did you ever think that not that many people are even that interested in what that cover meant? It's just as likely that your thread would have died a quick death even if it was kept open. And no one's probably talking about it here because no one brought up what you did either.

These threads for each ongoing X title are meant to be anything BUT a FYI or generalization thread. They're meant to have full discussions of what all is going on the title, past, present, and future, and not just say, "Oh, such and such happend" and "Oh, here's art for the upcoming issue", but to talk as fully as possible about them and not clutter up the board with multiple threads that essentially talk about the same things.

I never expected there to be a smooth transition into using these threads like that, and I'm surprised it went this long without having something like this happen. But again, this is why I put up a vote for these threads to be created, and pointed out specifically the stuff that would be included in them that shouldn't have extra threads made, and told people to include their ideas if they didn't like something that I put up. I have no idea if you voted yes or no, because I wanted the votes to be kept private so that should the idea pass, the ones that voted no wouldn't think that I was singling them out should they do continue to make separate threads in the future. So, if you felt this strongly, you probably could have gone ahead and said something to this effect in that thread, and I would have taken it into consideration, but neither you, nor anyone else, did, so I am just going by what was laid down then. If you don't like it now, there's not much to be done but try and make it so that your ideas are heard greater in these threads and not let them be such "generalization" threads like you think they are.

[ProfeZZor X]

Did you ever think that not that many people are even that interested in what that cover meant? It's just as likely that your thread would have died a quick death even if it was kept open. And no one's probably talking about it here because no one brought up what you did either. It's hard to say if anyone would comment on the subject matter, because it was closed two posts after it was opened. And the first post was yours on wanting to close it before it even got started. So that makes it pretty hard to find out if anyone really wanted to talk about it.

These threads for each ongoing X title are meant to be anything BUT a FYI or generalization thread. They're meant to have full discussions of what all is going on the title, past, present, and future, and not just say, "Oh, such and such happend" and "Oh, here's art for the upcoming issue", but to talk as fully as possible about them and not clutter up the board with multiple threads that essentially talk about the same things. There are hundreds of things that have gone on in the past, present, and future of the X-Men. Most of them having little to no stimuli or contribution to the X-titles whatsoever. And how many character vs. character threads have you seen here? Those seem to go on for pages and pages of posters name calling, and heated debates, yet somehow in the scheme of it all, they're considered to be seperate from anything posted in this thread.

If you don't like it now, there's not much to be done but try and make it so that your ideas are heard greater in these threads and not let them be such "generalization" threads like you think they are. The "idea"... My idea, was to ask what people thought of two completely different characters starting a tumultuous relationship with no real understanding or merit. Especially with Sabertooth being on the same team as them, already having a previous relationship with Raven... If that doesn't set my topic apart from anything else said in this thread, then I don't know what does.

[Specter313]

There are hundreds of things that have gone on in the past, present, and future of the X-Men. Most of them having little to no stimuli or contribution to the X-titles whatsoever. And how many character vs. character threads have you seen here? Those seem to go on for pages and pages of posters name calling, and heated debates, yet somehow in the scheme of it all, they're considered to be seperate from anything posted in this thread.

I'm not talking about the X-Men overall. I'm talking about this ONE X-Men title. Just look at the first post. Anything that falls under this title should be discussed in this thread.

The "idea"... My idea, was to ask what people thought of two completely different characters starting a tumultuous relationship with no real understanding or merit. Especially with Sabertooth being on the same team as them, already having a previous relationship with Raven... If that doesn't set my topic apart from anything else said in this thread, then I don't know what does.

But it still falls under this title, so no, it doesn't really set it apart from anything else in this thread. Hence, the reason it should be talked about in this thread and not have its own.

[Neptune]

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Aug06/XMEM190COVER_400.jpg

X-MEN #190
Written by MIKE CAREY
Pencils & Cover by CHRIS BACHALO
“SUPERNOVAS”
Northstar and Aurora are back! Awoken by a mysterious new threat, the twins have been let loose in the Xavier Mansion, leaving a path way of destruction and death. Their mission: Kill Sabretooth! Part 3 (of 6)!
32 PGS./Rated A ...$2.99



I am really impressed by this cover. The art is great. Mystique and Iceman? :eek:

[Colossal Spoons]

I still don't know what "off topic" things we've been talking about?

[Valechan]

Covers are known to be misleading. It might not mean anything. Wait until you have the issue on your hands to say they're in a relationship, Prof, it might not be anything like that. The art is astounding thoug, Bachalo's improving a lot.

[ghost113]

this cover is better than the one before

[squeekness]

I am really impressed by this cover. The art is great. Mystique and Iceman? :eek:Hee! I think it's about time Iceman got laid. Maybe he'll regain his sense of humor. :p

[ghost113]

Very true my friend

[ProfeZZor X]

Hee! I think it's about time Iceman got laid. Maybe he'll regain his sense of humor. :p

If anything, he needs to lose it. I, for one am tired of him being the class clown and background character in almost every issue of any X-book. Maybe this relationship will strengthen his personality and build confidence with his abilities. Maybe Raven will give him a little "tough love". Who knows what'll happen. All we can do at this point is speculate.

Although with Creed and Rogue being on the same team, of course this will pose a problem and add some serious tension amongst the four of them.

[squeekness]

I actually enjoyed XFactor quite a bit when Mytique/Sabes/and Wild Child were on the team. I liked the tension and the bickering, it made them seem more human.

As for ole Iceman, he's always been funny and for him not to be is him out of character. He doesn't seem like the Bobby I had grown to love. :)

[ProfeZZor X]

I actually enjoyed XFactor quite a bit when Mytique/Sabes/and Wild Child were on the team. I liked the tension and the bickering, it made them seem more human.

As for ole Iceman, he's always been funny and for him not to be is him out of character. He doesn't seem like the Bobby I had grown to love. :)

That's the whole point of Casey's run. Too many of us hardcore Iceman fans were complaining about how he's (Iceman) been perceived over the years, being a background character, and not being or taken seriously. He is in serious need of a personality makeover, and his powers should reflect that. After all, after Emma turned his powers back on, and they were still a little screwy, Milligan never mentioned it again. It's things like that - that bug me about writers. Even when he went through that secondary mutation, Milligan never mentioned anything more about it, other than converting him, and that was the end of it. You'd think that Milligan would have shown the human side of him by doing a story on the flesh to ice transformation. Hell, if you were permanently turning into ice, wouldn't you be stressed?... Personally, I'm glad Miilligan is gone. He contributed nothing to the character.

And out of the entire team - all teams for that matter, he's had the most potential with his abilities, but writer after writer has pushed him aside to focus on everyone else. And now is a perfect opportunity for Casey to give this character justice, and a sharper edge (no pun intended). Casey's said it himself in one of his interviews that Iceman has the most unlimited potential of all characters, and he plans on doing something about it in his run. Besides that, he's putting him in a relationship, so we'll see how that turns out.

[squeekness]

Yeah, I am looking forward to anything that was better than the Horseman arc. I am ready to read some good writing and I hope things get better. I don't see how they could get any worse. My poor beloved Gambit...:(

[Xplicit Content]

I wonder if Mystique's tongue got stuck like in "A Christmas Story"...heh.

[squeekness]

I wonder if Mystique's tongue got stuck like in "A Christmas Story"...heh.Bwahahahah!!!! Cute. ;)

[ProfeZZor X]

I wonder if Mystique's tongue got stuck like in "A Christmas Story"...heh.

For all we know, he could be partially in his flesh form. But at least he looks a lot better than in past issues. I've always admired the spikey/rock-like look on him. Romita Jr. was the last person to do it I believe (Uncanny #302/ Colossus Unleashed).

I also have a theory on the situation on that cover. Maybe he saved her life, and in the process was knocked out or became exhausted, so she craddled him into her arms and kissed him as a reward. And like one of the other members here mentioned, it may not be what it appears to be.

[Colossal Spoons]

If anything, he needs to lose it. I, for one am tired of him being the class clown and background character in almost every issue of any X-book. Maybe this relationship will strengthen his personality and build confidence with his abilities. Maybe Raven will give him a little "tough love". Who knows what'll happen. All we can do at this point is speculate.

Although with Creed and Rogue being on the same team, of course this will pose a problem and add some serious tension amongst the four of them.

Hey, Human Torch is still the team goofball and has a ton of confidence as well. Not to mention, he uses his powers wisely unlike Bobby"throw ice at 'em" Drake.

[Harlekin]

Eh, I myself think Iceman should be retired for a while. They tried way too many convoluted things with him in the last few years. I think a rest would do him good.

[ProfeZZor X]

Eh, I myself think Iceman should be retired for a while. They tried way too many convoluted things with him in the last few years. I think a rest would do him good.

The same thing could be said about Wolverine Cyclops and Storm. If each of them have been simutaneously in every Marvel comic on the shelf (New Avengers, New X-Men, Black Panther), then they must be tired too... So why don't we just retire them as well. :mad:

At least with Iceman, Casey could give him a new start on life. And since nothing has really been done with him for so long, this could be a great opportunity to do some memorable things with his powers and persona to boost his repect level. For both comic readers, and the characters he interacts with in the comics itself.

[Colossal Spoons]

Before seeing what they have in store for Rogue and her powers, I would have suggested a little vacation for her too.

[Harlekin]

The same thing could be said about Wolverine Cyclops and Storm. If each of them have been simutaneously in every Marvel comic on the shelf (New Avengers, New X-Men, Black Panther), then they must be tired too... So why don't we just retire them as well. :mad:
A) I think they should retire Wolverine.
B) I hate Storm, so yes, retirement would be great.
C) Cycke was usually handled by capable writers, unlike Iceman.

[ProfeZZor X]

A) I think they should retire Wolverine.
B) I hate Storm, so yes, retirement would be great.
C) Cycke was usually handled by capable writers, unlike Iceman.

A) I whole heartedly agree.
B) She's married now, so why chase after bad guys. That's hubby's full-time job now.
C) I agree 1000%.

It also comes down to if the writer likes Iceman or not. Most of the time it's not. Maybe that's why he's had that "bi-sexuality" rumor floating around him for so long. I can totally see how writers write him as being soft and passive, with a touch of warm light humor. And as a result, they indirectly write him with more ambiguous attributes. Even the artwork above implies this, with the way his hand is strategically placed in a feminine way.

[Colossal Spoons]

Hopefully between Milligan's last issue or when the new writer takes over, we get some sense of when Iceman's gonna lose the spikes and regain control over his powers. I also hope in the next few months, we seem him "ice down" and look human.

[ProfeZZor X]

Hopefully between Milligan's last issue or when the new writer takes over, we get some sense of when Iceman's gonna lose the spikes and regain control over his powers. I also hope in the next few months, we seem him "ice down" and look human.

I'm tired of the same old slick, crystaline look. If he's going through a makeover, then he needs a new agressive look to match. And with any luck, Casey will play on the whole "out of control" powers and do something with them that we haven't seen yet... Like that "Molecular Inversion" process they hinted at during the AoA story. Basically, it involved him "teleporting" himself and/or others, via mist, or something like that, hundreds of miles per second.

As for Icing down, a lot of fans complained to Marvel about the solid ice mutation, so they solved it during House of M. Although now that he can change back to flesh, no one really knows if he's still at the Omega class level that he once was, with his "out of control powers" and whatnot..... We'll know in upcoming issues though.

[danielisthor]

just got 185... this sucks... Milligan go away already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fans have said NO NO And nO TO YOU!!!!


And to think the majority of this board was x-static (pun intended) when he was taking over.

[danielisthor]

*throws x-men #186 across the room* what a lame conclusion story nothing eXciting happened in this arc, but destorying gambit's future on the team.


To some of us, that is a great conclusion which could of only have been made better had he died.

[moonstar]

I am really impressed by this cover. The art is great. Mystique and Iceman? :eek:
The most uninspired coupling yet. No-
Iceman +Mystique= boring. He's weak and she's corrupt totally not redeemable in any way not loved by any except pervs

Iceman + rogue=We'll never know...
might have been interesting for some reason he would have made a fun altrernative from all the grief with Gambit- since i remember when he was there for her when she took a little trip away from the xmen (dont member if that was her tatooed phase.)

Iceman + Emma might have been interesting since obviously she pushes her men to be all they can be or whatever. I just haven't found him funny or interesting in a long time even tho I will always love that he was one of the 5 originals.

I wish Apocolpse had taken him instead of Remy...

[cardslinger]

To some of us, that is a great conclusion which could of only have been made better had he died.
:mad: It is not Gambit's fault he has been written poorly for so long.

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm tired of the same old slick, crystaline look. If he's going through a makeover, then he needs a new agressive look to match. And with any luck, Casey will play on the whole "out of control" powers and do something with them that we haven't seen yet... Like that "Molecular Inversion" process they hinted at during the AoA story. Basically, it involved him "teleporting" himself and/or others, via mist, or something like that, hundreds of miles per second.

As for Icing down, a lot of fans complained to Marvel about the solid ice mutation, so they solved it during House of M. Although now that he can change back to flesh, no one really knows if he's still at the Omega class level that he once was, with his "out of control powers" and whatnot..... We'll know in upcoming issues though.

Not that I mind the spikes, I just hate how they're such a random occurance. Let's hope we get some new feats in the future. I really liked his "megazord" trick a few months back when they were fighting the Collective Men.

[proteus]

Can anyone tell me what happened to Apocalypse & Gambit at the end of the issue?

[Colossal Spoons]

We. Don't. Know.

[proteus]

Okay, then what was the last thing that happened with those two characters? That's all I'm asking.

[Colossal Spoons]

Gambit pretty much walked off panel.

Apoc had some trippy suicide/escape scene involving the Celestials. I don't quite understand it so I can't explain. You'll have to check the issue for than one. :up:

[proteus]

Okay, thanks. I'll be able to pick it up tomorrow. :)

[ProfeZZor X]

Iceman + Emma might have been interesting since obviously she pushes her men to be all they can be or whatever. I just haven't found him funny or interesting in a long time even tho I will always love that he was one of the 5 originals.

I wish Apocolpse had taken him instead of Remy...

There were past hints that Emma was interested in Iceman, but the writer never followed through with it.

I also thought Iceman should have been taken in by Apocalypse. He's been pushed around by his team mates, Emma screwed his powers up, Havok took his woman, and no one gives his respect... Who better to fill the Horseman roll than him.

[Harlekin]

I wouldn't really dig Iceman as a horseman but I was a Iceman/Emma Frost supporter for ages. Sadly, with the changes made to her by Morrison and her relationship to Cyclops, she and Iceman don't really fit anymore (I still like her, but she's not the Gen-X teacher we knew). They really should've followed up on that back then.

[Colossal Spoons]

With Iceman, what's really keeping him from being writte to his fullest potential? Maybe we need an X-writer who really likes him on a book. Seems like all the X-writers let Cyclops, Wolverine, and whichever telepath is popular at the time get away with all the cool feats.

[ProfeZZor X]

With Iceman, what's really keeping him from being writte to his fullest potential? Maybe we need an X-writer who really likes him on a book. Seems like all the X-writers let Cyclops, Wolverine, and whichever telepath is popular at the time get away with all the cool feats.

You hit the nail right on the head.... No writer out there likes him enough to do anything with him, so year after year, he get pushed around into oblivion. There was even rumor that Claremont wanted to kill him off years ago, but Marvel absolutely refused to. Once that happens, that's the day I stop reading Marvel comics.... Seriously.

The only thing that's stopping him from reaching some of that near unlimited potential is a creative enough writer that's up to the task. And I don't know how strict the guidelines are over at Marvel, but he really needs a personality change into someone more fearless, and not affraid to use their powers more creatively, like the Human torch. Otherwise, he'll be stuck in that steriotypical "class clown" role forever, and that's sadly the only thing non fans will remember about him. Just like that whole "Emma took over his body" thing. What people don't understand are the other things that have happened to him before that, and since then.

[Colossal Spoons]

Dropping Marvel comics because of Bobby's death is quite a claim. I don't like any character enough to do that and I'm one of the biggest Colossus fanmen you'll meet.

Sounds like Rogue's getting the revamp next; as she was in dire need of it. Hopefully Iceman'll follow.

[ProfeZZor X]

Dropping Marvel comics because of Bobby's death is quite a claim. I don't like any character enough to do that and I'm one of the biggest Colossus fanmen you'll meet.

Sounds like Rogue's getting the revamp next; as she was in dire need of it. Hopefully Iceman'll follow.

Aside Iceman, Colossus is next on my list, but I don't like him enough to stay with the book, even if Iceman was killed off. Casey is supposedly going to revamp both Iceman and Rogue in his run, so we'll see how that goes. I pray that it's not another lie, like so many of them consistently do when asked a direct question in their interviews.

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, I like what they have in store for Rogue; the whole recalling all past absorbed powers thing.

[cardslinger]

Yeah, I like what they have in store for Rogue; the whole recalling all past absorbed powers thing.
Are we sure that is what she is doing?
She might have just absorbe those powers from somewere.

[ProfeZZor X]

Yeah, I like what they have in store for Rogue; the whole recalling all past absorbed powers thing.

I don't know why it took them so long to do that.... But can she control her absorption powers now? Can she touch people without harming them yet?

[cardslinger]

I don't know why it took them so long to do that.... But can she control her absorption powers now? Can she touch people without harming them yet?
It would be kinda sad if that happened now. Right after Gambit leeves.:(
I mean, it would be good for Rogue in a way, but, poor Gumbo.

[chris moore]

Initially I would have said that Gambit going through what he just did and being taken out of the picture for a while like he has was a good idea (other than his own reasoning for doing what he did) as it would allow the crap that's been done with him to be alomst undone by forcing him to make some changes off page. Further, it would maybe result in some changes to Rogue - cos she hasnt been a rogue in years. She aint a powerhouse, she aint a scrapper, she's been a lovesick puppy dog.

Though it seems now that she will instead withdraw into herself. She wont be the girl who uses seduction and sultryness combined with her innocence because she cant use physical contact - shame...

[ProfeZZor X]

Yeah, I like what they have in store for Rogue; the whole recalling all past absorbed powers thing.

Will that be explained as a secondary mutation..... again?

[Savage]

...God has this arc sucked. I picked up the first thre TPBs and figured they were pretty good so I jumped on it but wow...this is...I had no interest in this whatsoever. I can't wait to see what this new guy has in store.

[ProfeZZor X]

...God has this arc sucked. I picked up the first thre TPBs and figured they were pretty good so I jumped on it but wow...this is...I had no interest in this whatsoever. I can't wait to see what this new guy has in store.

Only time will tell, my brotha...

[Colossal Spoons]

Will that be explained as a secondary mutation..... again?

oh I dunno, I assumed she could do that as she' shown using Scott and Emma's powers. I'm not sure what happened to her powers once she absorbed Sunfire's abilities. Maybe we need Vargas to stab her again, then Sage can jumpstart her powers for the second time.

[ProfeZZor X]

oh I dunno, I assumed she could do that as she' shown using Scott and Emma's powers. I'm not sure what happened to her powers once she absorbed Sunfire's abilities. Maybe we need Vargas to stab her again, then Sage can jumpstart her powers for the second time.

I thought about the idea of Sage "fixing" Iceman's powers too. I'd be curious to see what kind of evolutiuon she could evolve his current abilities into. My guess is it would be similar to the stuff he did in X-Men Forever.

[Colossal Spoons]

It's sad when we're thinking of ways to boost Bobby's power when the ones he currently has a re being wasted :(

Why doesn't Sage just boost up ALL the X-Men for ****s and giggles?

[ProfeZZor X]

It's sad when we're thinking of ways to boost Bobby's power when the ones he currently has a re being wasted :(

Why doesn't Sage just boost up ALL the X-Men for ****s and giggles?

That would be a good idea. I mean hey, there are only 198 mutants left on earth now. Why not make half of them even more powerful... through Sage's process.

[Colossal Spoons]

Instead, she off doing God knows what in New Excalibur.

[Wolverazio]

Instead, she off doing God knows what in New Excalibur.

Hitting on Pete Wisdom and getting beat up by Warwolves.

[chris moore]

Iceman doesnt need evolving or jumpstarting by Sage - he already is at omega level. Its just his own hangups about exploring his potential

[Colossal Spoons]

Well a telepath needs to fix that then.

[cardslinger]

Sage could have made Gambit a better horsemen than Apocalypse did.

[ProfeZZor X]

Iceman doesnt need evolving or jumpstarting by Sage - he already is at omega level. Its just his own hangups about exploring his potential

I'm with Colossal Spoons on this one. I've always wondered why Emma didn't correct what she screwed up right away, or shortly after those mutant haters were defeated. It's not like it would have taken long to correct. I mean as quickly as she turned them back on, she could have also easily corrected them.. Maybe even made some improvements on his confidence level. After all, a few issues back (1990's) when she took over his body, shortly after, he had asked her how he can do those same things too, so maybe Casey can play on that. Although he's already done better than what she's done since then.

Bottom line though, he just needs more respect and power than he's had in decades. All the other original X-Men have grown, and so should he. Maybe Mystique will slap him around silly to get him to straighten up.

[Valechan]

Thing is, I really doubt they're gonna let him "be all that he can be". It has been proven in the past that uber-powerful characters cannot be a part of a team. What need is there for a team if Bobby can instantly freeze any and all villains without breaking a sweat?? A character with very little limits (or none) is boring and creates boring stories. That's why Jean always dies when she reaches her maximum power.

[cardslinger]

Thing is, I really doubt they're gonna let him "be all that he can be". It has been proven in the past that uber-powerful characters cannot be a part of a team. What need is there for a team if Bobby can instantly freeze any and all villains without breaking a sweat?? A character with very little limits (or none) is boring and creates boring stories. That's why Jean always dies when she reaches her maximum power.
Agreed.
All powerfull characters are boring.

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah but letting Bobby "ice-teleport" wouldn't be pushing it too far. Or even freezing blood vessels.

[chris moore]

Using more abstract applications of his power wouldnt be making him too powerful for a team. His ice is superhard, but so many villains are superstrong or can expel energy from their eyes and things, that merely encasing an enemy in ice wouldnt do the trick all the time - so he wouldnt just be blasting ice at people and thats the end of that; he'd just be getting more creative. The freezing the blood thing was always genius, though potentially lethal if he didnt unfreeze it. So using it on someone then him losing concentration or getting hit may kill the person - so he rarely uses it. But man... when that pathetic english morlock killing guy goes "too slow" and belt Bobby when he tried freezing his blood... so many plot and logic holes there that there's not enough remaining sense to hold it together...

[chris moore]

Oh - and on a side note (retracing back to the latest issue). Alex sorta gets Lorna back and shows his true feelings for her as a setting up of the two of them being on the same team (a team away from Iceman) and going off into space with Kurt and Rachel, by giving her mouth to mouth when she's full of plagues... and the guy that warns her offa doing that is Wolverine. Alex says he doesnt care and gives her mouth to mouth anyway.

What?!?!?!?!?!? What is the guy with the bloody healing factor doing warning Alex off and not doing it himself?!?!?!? Milligan, you pratt...

[squeekness]

Yup. Suckage at it's best. *gives Milligan another boot*

[perdev145]

anybody remember in Legion Quest back in '95 when iceman froze every molecule in legions body?? he knows what he can do....just lacks the initiative to do it all the time.

[mightiest_mortal]

anybody remember in Legion Quest back in '95 when iceman froze every molecule in legions body?? he knows what he can do....just lacks the initiative to do it all the time.
One thing i liked about Austens run was that he was experimenting with Icemans powers. The giant iceman was fantastic. I hope future writers try out different tricks like that with him.

[ProfeZZor X]

anybody remember in Legion Quest back in '95 when iceman froze every molecule in legions body?? he knows what he can do....just lacks the initiative to do it all the time.

During that time/issue, I often wondered if Legion could have survived (as an energy source) if his body was shattered immediately after that incident. It only made sense if Bishop or Storm finished him off by shattering or blowing him up. Then again, what would Charles have thought if they did that to his son..... tough decision.

The giant Iceman was great too, but it lacked anything more than that. That was a nice little stepping stone that could have lead Iceman into something greater, but it fizzled out shortly after, and everything went back to the way it was. My fear with Casey, is that he'll do some great things with Iceman, but the next writer to follow may revert him back to the whimp everyone is accustomed to seeing. Marvel just needs to be consistent with him. That's all.

[Valechan]

You forget something, the X-Men do not kill (yes I know they have in the past, but for the most part, they don't). And they did have to take him back to the present.

I've been re-reading Blood of Apocalypse (i'm only missing the last issue)... and I must say, Apocalypse's plan isn't all that whacko, it is consistent with his char. What I find boring and overused is the "making X-Men Horsemen" bit. How many x-men have been Horsemen??? We need a new angle to Apocalypse.

[Mar420x]

the blood of apocalypse arc reminded me of another pointless arc the eve of destruction.

[spark627]

leave it to milligan to turn apocolypse into a weak, pointless enemy. I remember when the big a was a force and almost unstoppable, now he is a joke.

i really despise everything milligan did with the x-men. i feel like he didnt finish one storyline (did gambit sleep with mystique? why pulse? what the f@*k is golgotha? why was doop in space etc) and he didnt develop any of the characters (bobby moaned and was obsessed with lorna, lorna was crazy, alex was a prick, wolverine was wolverine, rogue stood in the back or cried about remy, remy... did nothing)

[Colossal Spoons]

^Too true.

[ProfeZZor X]

^Too true.

I swear, those guys over at Marvel seem like they're in it for the paycheck, and not the quality of the product.

[Valechan]

Really? I never saw it that way! :p

[moonstar]

Thing is, I really doubt they're gonna let him "be all that he can be". It has been proven in the past that uber-powerful characters cannot be a part of a team. A character with very little limits (or none) is boring and creates boring stories. That's why Jean always dies when she reaches her maximum power.
That's why it's not really about a power adjustment. Not only did Emma owe it to him to fix him. I think he needed & still needs a hot a$$ chick (nutcases don't count) who has her $ht together to make him a man. Definately a missed opportunity- I think he could have helped balance out Emma too. She seems like a totally different character now. I actually liked her better in the Gen X days.

Don't up the power level> but Iceman on the offensive would truly make him kool. He should have been the one to turn into a womanizer. a man who knows he's hot and dangerous that was the Gambit appeal and it would be so refreshing with someone untapped like Bobby.Dunno maybe that's too obvious or dramatic but there could have been a serious character shift which would have made his interactions more interesting all around.

I think what would make me want to folow a writer is if he refreshes the book especially character development with a supposed weak character into a strong. Any writer who wants to be a badass would have at least tried to do something!
What if ?
1. Iceman no longer needs to Ice Up but can still create diamond hard projectiles ?
2. What if Iceman took a break from the Xmen and got trained in hand to hand combat by SHIELD?

[El Bastardo]

Oh - and on a side note (retracing back to the latest issue). Alex sorta gets Lorna back and shows his true feelings for her as a setting up of the two of them being on the same team (a team away from Iceman) and going off into space with Kurt and Rachel, by giving her mouth to mouth when she's full of plagues... and the guy that warns her offa doing that is Wolverine. Alex says he doesnt care and gives her mouth to mouth anyway.

What?!?!?!?!?!? What is the guy with the bloody healing factor doing warning Alex off and not doing it himself?!?!?!? Milligan, you pratt...

Yeah, I noticed that. I think there were a few times during Milligan's run, or maybe just this arc, where he had someone saying something, and it made no sense for that person to be saying it. The case of "mistaken dialogue," apparently.

I've been thinking more about this arc, and... alright, I'll give sebita credit, I suppose Apocalypse's PLAN wasn't that whacko, and did make sense. What was wrong was, well, everything else - characterizations of both good and bad guys, laying out the plot, and what not. But at least Milligan's consistent - those problems are throughout his entire run, hurrah, hurrah.

But... ignoring the rest of his run, and just focusing on the Blood of Apocalypse arc - not even on the characters, but just on the story itself - does anyone else feel jyped? Am I wrong, or did Marvel hype this up to be one of the biggest events EVAR and of 2006, the reemergence of Apocalypse, his rise into a world with hardly any mutants... and now we're... back where we started. Pretty much. Nothing changed aside from the readers losing Gambit.

If this was supposed to be some huge, cataclysmic event, the "rebirth" of one of the X-Men's nastiest enemies... well, who else thinks Apocalypse should still be around? Oh, wait, he is. He's trapped in the LIGHT ROOM. On that note? I loathe whatever writer comes on and uses that Apocalypse-is-the-Celestial's-buddy idea. Maybe it's just me hating on Milligan, but I liked it when there was a mystery as to how Apocalypse got the Celestial tech, or better yet, had simply taken it.

But for an arc to be hyped up as huge, then bring Apocalypse back and subsequently "kill him off" four issues later... pfeh. Don't piss on my leg and say it's raining, Marvel.

[ProfeZZor X]

Don't up the power level> but Iceman on the offensive would truly make him kool. He should have been the one to turn into a womanizer. a man who knows he's hot and dangerous that was the Gambit appeal and it would be so refreshing with someone untapped like Bobby.Dunno maybe that's too obvious or dramatic but there could have been a serious character shift which would have made his interactions more interesting all around. In the very first X-Men issue with Kirby and Lee, Iceman WAS a bad ass. He had a higher control over his powers than any of his team mates, and although he was a class clown, he was also a bit of a hot head like Johnny Storm. Why that was never developed further, I don't know.

I think what would make me want to folow a writer is if he refreshes the book especially character development with a supposed weak character into a strong. Any writer who wants to be a badass would have at least tried to do something!
What if ?
1. Iceman no longer needs to Ice Up but can still create diamond hard projectiles ?
2. What if Iceman took a break from the Xmen and got trained in hand to hand combat by SHIELD?

I sent in some of those same suggestions to Marvel, but alas, no response. Here's my list:

1) Iceman becomes a Horseman of Apocalypse.
2) With the mutant populace now at an all time low, Iceman loses his "cool" against the mutant hating groups and does something controversial.
3) Iceman finds himself in an unexpected relationship with another X-character (Rogue, Magma, Husk, Mercury, Dazzler, Dr. Reyes). And this time it's long-term.

4) With the complication of his powers being out of whack, he converts to his mist form or melts into fluid from time to time.
5) Prosh returns to warn the X-Men on an upcoming danger and reacts as he realizes Iceman is still squandering his abilities.
6) Emma mentally adjusts Bobby's problem with his powers, but secretly conspires to alter his mind into being more aggressive and fearless... A bad boy.
7) Iceman rejects the newest ex-criminal members of his newly formed team, as he did with Juggernaut. Only this time they get physical.
8) Iceman discovers a new ability which may pose a potential danger to himself and other team members (molecular inversion process?).
9) Bastion seeks revenge on Iceman for thwarting his Sentinel Supremacy.
10) Iceman struggles through a Danger Room session and something happens as a result of reactivating his powers, courtesy of Emma.

[ghost113]

i'm glad they are moving havok and polaris and geting rid of gambit in this book it gives more room for iceman to shine

[moonstar]

i'm glad they are moving havok and polaris and geting rid of gambit in this book it gives more room for iceman to shine
What ? Even with all the ice he has never shined.Instead of Rogue being able to absorb Emma's powers Bobby should have gotten them so he could get even for her messing him up. What man would accept this but the popsickle head ? Mayb that's why he has no balls in iceform.

[ProfeZZor X]

What ? Even with all the ice he has never shined.Instead of Rogue being able to absorb Emma's powers Bobby should have gotten them so he could get even for her messing him up. What man would accept this but the popsickle head ? Mayb that's why he has no balls in iceform.

Yeah, why couldn't he have had a "rock-like' secondary mutation. And that his ice would become almost diamond hard and cold.

Also, if Emma's skin turns to diamond, then why can't we see her fat tissue, veins and muscle underneathe it?

[ProfeZZor X]

Here's a page from the upcoming X-Men #188 (feel free to post the actual picture):

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/rage/images/060521/xmen188009col.jpg

[spark627]

jeez, id hate to be the colorist on any book chris illustrates... so much detail

... i do like his style (esp the way he draws rogue), but sometimes it is too much to take in...

[chris moore]

Either Chris has a hate on for Iceman so gave him a pointy dome, or the impossible man from planet popup is guest starring, cos I dont like that trunk clad person's head! Actually, if that is iceman - I dont like him being trunk clad either... Johnny Storm's costume is practically invisible when he flames on, but that doesnt mean when he flames off he's wearing just a pair of speedos - why must they always do that for Bobby?

I like the idea of this line up - hopefully with most of the cast being grittier it'll force some hard edged behaviour from Iceman and therefore force him to mature somewhat. He isnt just one of the original five now on this team, he's also pretty much the only full time x-man on this team. Rogue's either gonna be a wuss in mourning or a badass getting way too violent and having to be reigned in; and Cannonball seems to float in and out of being an x-man, popping off to another team or another book when the sales figures and crossovers demand.

[ProfeZZor X]

Either Chris has a hate on for Iceman so gave him a pointy dome, or the impossible man from planet popup is guest starring, cos I dont like that trunk clad person's head! Actually, if that is iceman - I dont like him being trunk clad either... Johnny Storm's costume is practically invisible when he flames on, but that doesnt mean when he flames off he's wearing just a pair of speedos - why must they always do that for Bobby.
Chris Claremont DOES hate Iceman. He's admitted it in interviews, and he's tried killing him off once or twice. Casey, is suppose to improve on Iceman, on what other writers failed and didn't care to do. And to go along with Iceman's revamping, Bachelo gave him a different look. Which is much better than having that slick coating of ice he's worn for decades.

I like the idea of this line up - hopefully with most of the cast being grittier it'll force some hard edged behaviour from Iceman and therefore force him to mature somewhat. He isnt just one of the original five now on this team, he's also pretty much the only full time x-man on this team. Rogue's either gonna be a wuss in mourning or a badass getting way too violent and having to be reigned in; and Cannonball seems to float in and out of being an x-man, popping off to another team or another book when the sales figures and crossovers demand.
It'll be even weirder having Sabertooth and Mystique on the same team, and having Iceman as her love interest.... But my question is: How can Mystique go from a strong, abrassive character like Sabertooth, and be interested in a lowly, timid and lazy character like Iceman? I wonder if Casey will explain that. AND, what will be Sabertooth's reaction to that. After all, Mystique and Sab's do have a kid together....

[squeekness]

Mystique just uses people. If she and Bobby are having a fling, it's because she wants him for something.

[spark627]

yep, i doubt she has any interest in him. also it could be an illusion, lady mastermind is involved in the first arc

[ProfeZZor X]

Mystique just uses people. If she and Bobby are having a fling, it's because she wants him for something.

The problem or question is, what could he possibly have that she would ever want?

[chris moore]

Chris Claremont DOES hate Iceman. He's admitted it in interviews, and he's tried killing him off once or twice. Casey, is suppose to improve on Iceman, on what other writers failed and didn't care to do. And to go along with Iceman's revamping, Bachelo gave him a different look. Which is much better than having that slick coating of ice he's worn for decades.


It'll be even weirder having Sabertooth and Mystique on the same team, and having Iceman as her love interest.... But my question is: How can Mystique go from a strong, abrassive character like Sabertooth, and be interested in a lowly, timid and lazy character like Iceman? I wonder if Casey will explain that. AND, what will be Sabertooth's reaction to that. After all, Mystique and Sab's do have a kid together....

Not Claremont - Bachalo. Pointy dome man looks crap. Nothing wrong with being covered in ice - provided they made it jaggedy muscle and give him hair.

Covers often depict something not in the issue these days. Taken a look at an Amazing Spider-Man cover lately? We have no idea what the mystique/bobby thing is, so best to leave it till we see it.

[squeekness]

Same thing with that Emma/Wolverine kiss cover on Astonishing. I knew it wasn't what it looked like and I was right.

[Exploding Boy]

I hate covers these days. They always look awsome but are never true to the comic. In XMen:The End, a cover was Wolvy fighting Sabertooth. And I thought it was going to be a final battle between the two, since this was "the End" but it Sabertooth was in it for like 2 panels, :down So misleading.

[Specter313]

Chris Claremont DOES hate Iceman. He's admitted it in interviews, and he's tried killing him off once or twice. Casey, is suppose to improve on Iceman, on what other writers failed and didn't care to do. And to go along with Iceman's revamping, Bachelo gave him a different look. Which is much better than having that slick coating of ice he's worn for decades.


It'll be even weirder having Sabertooth and Mystique on the same team, and having Iceman as her love interest.... But my question is: How can Mystique go from a strong, abrassive character like Sabertooth, and be interested in a lowly, timid and lazy character like Iceman? I wonder if Casey will explain that. AND, what will be Sabertooth's reaction to that. After all, Mystique and Sab's do have a kid together....

Sorry, just have to cut in here real quick. Nothing personally, it's just a pet peeve of mine that's been irking me for a while, the upcoming writer's name is Mike CaRey, not Casey.

[chris moore]

Was amazed I hadnt realised it was Mike Carey not Joe Casey writing the new line-up, so I googled to double check and spotted this potential gem (assuming its an official interview, not some fanboy making crap up as I dont recognise the site)
http://www.insidepulse.com/articles/46198

[Joaqenix]

Not to move away from the Iceman discussion in here, but I'm sorta bummed out that they kept Cannonball's current design in this book. Maybe its just the way Bachalo draws him, but he looks too buff and old in my opinion. The costume is ok, but isn't he only like...what, 21 in Marvel years? He looks too old.

Although I guess its better than that ugly red costume he had when he was in Uncanny for like 5 issues a year ago or so. Sam literally looked like he was 30 in that arc.

As a Cannonball fan I'm pretty excited after reading that Carey interview. I'm glad Cannonball will actually be focused on again, instead of just being used to fill an X-Men quota like he is right now in Uncanny after Storm left.

[ProfeZZor X]

Not to move away from the Iceman discussion in here, but I'm sorta bummed out that they kept Cannonball's current design in this book. Maybe its just the way Bachalo draws him, but he looks too buff and old in my opinion. The costume is ok, but isn't he only like...what, 21 in Marvel years? He looks too old.

Although I guess its better than that ugly red costume he had when he was in Uncanny for like 5 issues a year ago or so. Sam literally looked like he was 30 in that arc.

As a Cannonball fan I'm pretty excited after reading that Carey interview. I'm glad Cannonball will actually be focused on again, instead of just being used to fill an X-Men quota like he is right now in Uncanny after Storm left.

Here's another page from X-Men #188:

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/rage/images/060521/xmen188010col.jpg

[spark627]

why does emma have to be a part of every arc these days?

[El Bastardo]

why does emma have to be a part of every arc these days?

Boobs sell.

[ProfeZZor X]

Boobs sell.

Don't forget the skywards-looking crotch shots of Rogue, Sage and Psylocke from Milligain's artist.

[squeekness]

I thought Emma was going bad in Astonishing. Shouldn't she be slowly making her way off the roster in the other books?

[Savage]

Well I guess that gives away the ending to that then.

[Specter313]

Though Mike Carey was unable to make the call, Brubaker was quick to put out something most would not expect from the upcoming run. "[Mike Carey] puts us to shame," Brubaker admitted. "Mike's such a classy writer. Reading his first [X-Men] scripts sort of scared me, because it was as if Neil Gaiman or Alan Moore had been given the project... [People] are going to be really stunned... he was born to write a book like X-Men."

Carey's team of X-Men is also a bit of a surprise. The team includes Rogue, Cable, Mystique, Iceman and Cannonball, with Sabretooth assisting but not a true member of the team.

Editor Nick Lowe explained the differences between the two books: "Ed is doing this giant, epic story, in the spirit of Shakespeare or Lord of the Rings (http://comics.ign.com/articles/710/710888p1.html#). Mike is going in a different angle that anything can happen at any moment... it's really exciting stuff as well, but it's two different directions to take."

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/710/710888/a-major-change-in-x-20060601105146356.jpg

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/710/710888/a-major-change-in-x-20060601105220464.jpg

[cardslinger]

I can't wait for the new creative team.
I think the team of X-men in this book will be fun as well. If only Gambit was with them.:(

[LittleMissVixen]

I read on the comicboards.com that Lady Mastermind is supposed to be the other new member.

[Specter313]

I read on the comicboards.com that Lady Mastermind is supposed to be the other new member.

That's the rumor. But that's only because someone found her name with this team on Wikipedia, and we all know how untrustworthy they are.

But it could be true. The girl next to Mystique looks like she could be a blonde. Who do you think the girl between Cable and Cannonball could be?

[Colossal Spoons]

Aurora?

[LittleMissVixen]

Wikipedia?...blah...nevermind. lol....Arent there two Lady Masterminds anyway?

Hmmm....as for the other mystery lady....maybe its Karma? or Northstar's sister (I forget her name)

[warren_sparta27]

i'm pissed off that Gambit isn't a member of any of the teams in any of th titles at the moment. :(

[chris moore]

Really hating the way Bobby looks - otherwise this could be interesting. Specially with Creed as only assisting and not fully part of the team - glad they didnt go down that route

[Nightwolf]

I think this is going to be alot better than Uncanny and i like most of the team but to be fair i could care less about Lady Mastermind. Is there a possibility she isnt a member and its actually Magma instead?

[warren_sparta27]

is that bobby on the right near the bottom? cause that guy looks really badly drawn :(

[Joaqenix]

I'd love it if that was Magma, she really needs to come back into the books in a more major part.

It probably is Lady Mastermind though, as I remember reading somewhere that she'd be featured in this arc. Don't really remember them saying she'd be a member of the team, but who knows?

Gosh I just wish this and the new Uncanny were starting now. I don't think I can take anothere issue from the current writer. Ugh.

[ghost113]

man this book look sreally interesting can't wait for the new creative teams to start.

[Colossal Spoons]

I'd love it if that was Magma, she really needs to come back into the books in a more major part.


I totally agree. Are they gonna follow through with the story they started in 198 about her becoming a teacher.

Bring Magma, Angel, and Husk back dammit!

[Joaqenix]

Ooh, could it be Husk? (albeit in a new costume) It would make minor sense for it to be her since her brother is a starring member of this book.

They really do need to bring her and Angel back into the fold. People hate Austen a lot, but I really loved the team he had assembled for his run.

[Colossal Spoons]

Especially the airborne antics ;)

[MattXG]

What are Rogue's powers these days? :confused:

[cardslinger]

Right now, Rogue has Sunfire's powers and her absorbing powers.

[ghost113]

where did these pics come from?

[jim_root_rules]

the last story i really read was house of m, i thought iceman got depowered? :confused:

[usagicassidy]

Retconned.

Apparently, he never lost his powers to begin with...he just thought he did.

[jim_root_rules]

random but oh well :D thnx

[LEX]

Right now, Rogue has Sunfire's powers and her absorbing powers.
How'd she get Sunfire's powers? It's permanent?

Those are nice pics. I can't wait for the next issue.

[MoPlaYa43]

I bet the writing for X-Men will be great but I`m not a fan of Bachalo`s artwork...way to cartoony for me...they should have kept Larocca!!

[squeekness]

How'd she get Sunfire's powers? It's permanent?

Those are nice pics. I can't wait for the next issue.Read the Rogue solo book that came out last year. :up:

[ProfeZZor X]

What date is Carey's first book to appear on news stands?

[Xplicit Content]

Is Lady Mastermind a decent character? Not sure if I like them adding her onto the roster with all the other possibilities.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

i would like to read X-men 188 with the new team coming on but the art is... just no for me.

[squeekness]

I thought Lady Mastermind was dead. Or one of them was. The one who was with Arcade. Locke, I think her name was. She was in the Wolverine/Gambit Viictims mini.

[ghost113]

People die so much I don't even think the writers know who's alive and who's dead anymore.

[Max J Power]

Milligan doesn't suck, he just needs to tone down the petty drama.
He has good plots, but he can't write dialogue and mos tof his story endings are boring or stupid. The Apocalypse arc, for example, was good for the first three issues, but fizzle dout into nothing in the end. It's like Milligan's allergic to resolution.

[LittleMissVixen]

Is Lady Mastermind a decent character? Not sure if I like them adding her onto the roster with all the other possibilities.

Which one?....aren't there two Lady Masterminds?

[LittleMissVixen]

Ooh, could it be Husk? (albeit in a new costume) It would make minor sense for it to be her since her brother is a starring member of this book.

They really do need to bring her and Angel back into the fold. People hate Austen a lot, but I really loved the team he had assembled for his run.


Ahh...I wish it was Husk. I actually liked the Husk and craddle robbing Angel romance.

With Angel being in X3, I figured that would have gave him good odds of being back on a main X-Team.

[Specter313]

Which one?....aren't there two Lady Masterminds?

Lady Mastermind: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=1268

Mastermind(female): http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=1410

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

i think husk is dead. i may be wrong but on one of the previews it looked like sam was really upset or crying. husk is his sis. he is not having a very good life if it is husk... and with jay in new x-men. but i'm most likely wrong.

[LittleMissVixen]

i think husk is dead. i may be wrong but on one of the previews it looked like sam was really upset or crying. husk is his sis. he is not having a very good life if it is husk... and with jay in new x-men. but i'm most likely wrong.

Last I saw, Husk was still alive in Uncanny X-Men and the 198 (brief cameos)

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

like any of the x-books match up anymore. that could change with a snap.

[LittleMissVixen]

like any of the x-books match up anymore. that could change with a snap.

yeah, but this is the first I have heard of Husk being dead.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

i know, i'm just speculating(sp?)

[Colossal Spoons]

Killing Husk wouldn't do much for any book as she's been absent for a while save her appearance in 198 like LMV said.

[Sean Madrox]

I really like the character Husk, hopefully she pops back up one of the main titles soon.

[Colossal Spoons]

...with Angel and Magma :up:

[LittleMissVixen]

...with Angel and Magma :up:

......Angel with Magma AND Husk :up: :up: :up:

[Sean Madrox]

Really great choices to bring back!

[danielisthor]

I am sure Husk is still living, as for Jay, its not looking good.

[Colossal Spoons]

......Angel with Magma AND Husk :up: :up: :up:

Heck, Sunspot ain't doin much these days. When's the last time anybody even mentioned the Hellfire Club. Bring his arse back to an X-team as well.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

8 issues in and he just wont die dammit!! i like jay and all but dammit stop dragging this along!! AND WHERE THE HELL IS KEVIN???!!! *deep breath* sorry, i kinda lost it there.

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah....where is Kevin?

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

safe... for now.

[Valechan]

Too many things....

Ms Locke is indeed dead, the current one is just a robot. She is Arcade's second-in-command and has NO RELATION to the Mastermind twins.

Both Regan Wyngarde (X-Treme 7-9) and MAritinique Jason (Uncanny 401-406) are the daughters of deceased Villain Mastermind (Jason Wyngarde), and are both alive, though Regan (the blonde) ended in a psychiatric hospital very much brain dead after battling Lifeguard and Sage on the Astral Plane.

[Joaqenix]

......Angel with Magma AND Husk :up: :up: :up:

One can only hope!

I was really really hoping that we'd get at least Angel and Husk back full time with the revamped teams, but I guess not. Such a bummer, I think they're great characters, and Angel doesn't get nearly enough respect from the writers (seeing as hes one of the original X-Men). Maybe we'll at least see Paige drop by from time to time since Sam looks like hes going to be one of the main characters in X-Men.

[masterj]

I'd be cool if they did an arc where Sam checked on his family and Husk and Angel tacked along on the team to help keep eyes out on the shiftier team emembers. Then they could grab Magma and get her wasted so that she forgets about that random dude that died that she loved so much.

[ghost113]

I'm hoping for a return by angel, husk and sunspot. Big fan of all three.

[ProfeZZor X]

When does Carey's first X-Men book hit newstands?..... Anyone?

[ghost113]

july

[cardslinger]

X-Men #188 comes out on July 12.
X-Men #189 comes out on July 26.
The first two books in Carey's run both come out in July. I can't wait.:)

[ghost113]

thanks for that info i needed it.

[LittleMissVixen]

How many issues of X-Men have come out since January?...Maybe its just because I wasnt excited to read any of MM work, but it seems like it has been biweekly almost.

[Valechan]

Just got 186... Was there any need for this saga at all??? Pestilence was the first Horseman to appear, she had 2 issues of previous story when she got captured, and when she gets into the fray... she gets taken down in 2 panels??? WTF??? A pointless end to a pointless story... Sunfire taking Remy??? Are they turning into a couple??? Apocalypse working for the Celestials??? Why do I fear this will all be forgotten??

[Joaqenix]

Why do I fear this will all be forgotten??
Because it was horrible? So it most likely will.

[MoPlaYa43]

I cant believe Marvel is replacing Larocca with Bachalo....Larocca`s art is 1000 times better IMO

[cardslinger]

Larocca and Bachalo have different stiles, that's for sure. I'm liking what I've seen of Bachalo's work so far. Larocca hasn't been his best lately. Rogue has gotten uglier every issue. Don't get me wrong Larocca is one of my favorites, he just hasn't been as good lately.

[Valechan]

LArroca's art has been awful ever since he left X-Treme. In x-Treme he was glorious, afterwards it turned to crap.

[cardslinger]

I wouldn't go as far as to call it crap, but I agree. X-Treme was gorgeous.

[Exploding Boy]

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/713/713416/marvel-in-september-20060620093457554.jpg
X-MEN #191
Written by MIKE CAREY
Penciled by MARK BROOKS
Cover by CHRIS BACHALO
"SUPERNOVAS"
The X-Men discover the truth behind their mysterious new enemies! It's time to take the fight to this new and dangerous threat...but are their enemies closer than the X-Men think? Part 4 (of 6)!
32 PGS./Rated A ...$2.99

[danielisthor]

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/713/713416/marvel-in-september-20060620093457554.jpg
X-MEN #191
Written by MIKE CAREY
Penciled by MARK BROOKS
Cover by CHRIS BACHALO
"SUPERNOVAS"
The X-Men discover the truth behind their mysterious new enemies! It's time to take the fight to this new and dangerous threat...but are their enemies closer than the X-Men think? Part 4 (of 6)!
32 PGS./Rated A ...$2.99

I don't know why, but i find it cool that the issue # is on Creed's knife. And who is that between Cable and Cannonball?

[ghost113]

are those two females magma and lady mastermind, man that cover is kickass, and that is cool how the number is on the knife.

[diabolical]

Preview pages for X-MEN 187.

Have fun.

http://www.popcultureshock.com/reviews.php?id=5643

[El Bastardo]

Bachalo's Cable looks like Bachalo's Bishop. :down

As for those preview pages... Ah, Brokeback Zen Temple, starring Sunfire, so secure in his masculinity and self, and Death-Remy, the confused little boy who doesn't know which side of the street to piss on.

Sunfire: "I wish I could quit you."
Death-Remy: "I will make it so! Hahahahaha! I will fill your lungs with some of the Death-Flatulents Master Apocalypse gave me the ability to create!"

Sigh. Only one more issue to go.

[squeekness]

Bachalo's Cable looks like Bachalo's Bishop. :down

As for those preview pages... Ah, Brokeback Zen Temple, starring Sunfire, so secure in his masculinity and self, and Death-Remy, the confused little boy who doesn't know which side of the street to piss on.

Sunfire: "I wish I could quit you."
Death-Remy: "I will make it so! Hahahahaha! I will fill your lungs with some of the Death-Flatulents Master Apocalypse gave me the ability to create!"

Sigh. Only one more issue to go.Your comments are amusing. :D

But I am now curious where this is going to go. The Ex-Horseman League? Maybe if they made a team of it the story here might be salvaged.

[Xplicit Content]

are those two females magma and lady mastermind, man that cover is kickass, and that is cool how the number is on the knife.
Unless Magma dyed her black, I don't think she's on the team...I'm pretty sure the blonde is Lady Mastermind. Curious to see who the other girl is.

I love the cover though. Chris has his flaws...most glaring of which is the "Where's Waldo" quality his panels can have, but I love his art. If only he could find a way to clean it up a little, he'd be set.

[cardslinger]

I got X-Men #187 yesterday in the mail. I thought it wasn't saposed to come out untill next week. Has anyone else gotten it????

[squeekness]

*sniff* No. :(

[cardslinger]

Gambit and Sunfire should get their own book.IMO
Isn't Milligan doing a mini that is saposed to have something to do with this arc? I wish they would get someone else to do it. I am sick of Milligan. I miss my Gambit.http://www.smileys.ws/smls/sad/00000005.gif