Official X-FACTOR Discussion Thread

[Colossal Spoons]

Well, it's not like Jamie can willingly create the same 2 dupes that shagged Theresa and M so I think he'll either have to give it up or keep spitting out duoes until he gets those 2 back.

[Darthphere]

Jamie gains all the dupes knowledge when he re-absorbs them. Its possible he learned a thing or two about making love.

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, but he doesn't know which personality it was that attracted the 2 women. :(

[Darthphere]

The one with a penis.

[Colossal Spoons]

Ooooh, that one.

[Darthphere]

I cant wait for the awkwardness to follow.

[Colossal Spoons]

I bet M did some freaky things to Jamie :(





:)

[MoPlaYa]

I bet M did some freaky things to Jamie :(





:)

I bet Jamie did some freaky stuff to M....lol

and...Kurt Angle is the man

[Manic]

I bet Jamie did some freaky stuff to M....lol
Well, he did give her multiple orgasms. At least that's the implication I got.

[danielisthor]

Well at least Layla is saving herself for the wedding night

[Colossal Spoons]

....which is still creepy.

[MaskedManJRK]

Just read the first arc through the hardcover thing--pretty awesome stuff. Are there any more TPB's out/coming out?

[Exploding Boy]

Everytime he banged M wouldn't another dupe come out?

[Manic]

Everytime he banged M wouldn't another dupe come out?
That would certainly explain the multiple orgasms...

[danielisthor]

That brings up a question i have. Can a dupe create another dupe, or only Jamie.

[Gilpesh]

This issue just made love this series even more. Finally showing Madrox as the drunken womanizer that he is.


And yeah, Dupes can make Dupes.

[Generation Lee]

This issue had it all. In regards to Jamie he must have sent a few dupes out to explore human sexuality. I'd say he learned the Karma Sutra from a master lol.

Anyway the twist blew my head away didn't see it comming even after the major hint just before it happened. Loving the whole aspect of SI being the Yin to Madrox's Yang Singular V Multiple I'm loving it. I totaslly missed the CW issue last month hope they re print it I soo want to see him stand up to Cyc.

[LEX]

Apparently, no-one gives a jack about Pietro anymore. He's sitting comfortably in his office with a skewed tie. :rolleyes:

[Manic]

Pietro isn't doing anything wrong, though. Yes, he's responsible for House of M, but all he did was whisper in his crazy sister's ear (with good intentions, mind you. Everybody's so upset that they were granted their hearts' desires). Otherwise, he's just in Mutant Town, offering to give back the powers of anyone who wants them. He's even telling Rictor the risk involved.

[LEX]

I suppose you're right. But still, take Spidey, for instance. He was living in a dream world with Gwen and Ben alive. To have them taken away from him the second time had a major impact on him. Pietro should've known better than to mess with an unstable, not to mention, insanely powerful mutant like his sister. Sure, he had good intentions, but are we forgetting Decimation? That was bound to happen. Loads of depowered mutants have died because of exactly that. Either they were in denial and jumping off buildings to their deaths, believing that they could still fly, took the easy way out; suicide, alone because humans and mutants didn't want them or murdered because some psychotic madman thought a pink Nimrod was God. In most eyes, Pietro is guilty as sin.

[Specter313]

I suppose you're right. But still, take Spidey, for instance. He was living in a dream world with Gwen and Ben alive. To have them taken away from him the second time had a major impact on him. Pietro should've known better than to mess with an unstable, not to mention, insanely powerful mutant like his sister. Sure, he had good intentions, but are we forgetting Decimation? That was bound to happen. Loads of depowered mutants have died because of exactly that. Either they were in denial and jumping off buildings to their deaths, believing that they could still fly, took the easy way out; suicide, alone because humans and mutants didn't want them or murdered because some psychotic madman thought a pink Nimrod was God. In most eyes, Pietro is guilty as sin.

Or were caught in mid-use of some of their powers and soemthing happened that killed them. I remember Generation M showing a guy who was underwater when it happened and drowned becuase he couldn't get to air in time, and another girl who is in mid-phase through the ground and got stuck.

[Manic]

I suppose you're right. But still, take Spidey, for instance. He was living in a dream world with Gwen and Ben alive. To have them taken away from him the second time had a major impact on him. Pietro should've known better than to mess with an unstable, not to mention, insanely powerful mutant like his sister. Sure, he had good intentions, but are we forgetting Decimation? That was bound to happen. Loads of depowered mutants have died because of exactly that. Either they were in denial and jumping off buildings to their deaths, believing that they could still fly, took the easy way out; suicide, alone because humans and mutants didn't want them or murdered because some psychotic madman thought a pink Nimrod was God. In most eyes, Pietro is guilty as sin.
You forgot people whose powers were keeping them alive, like Jeffrey Garrett (the kid whose teleportation powers had left him as a living ghost).

Yes, Pietro should've known better than to mess with his psycho sister, but everyone is shifting ALL of the blame for Decimation on him. They're saying he's very dangerous, when all he did was manipulate a crazy woman (like that's so hard). Basically, no one can find Wanda, so they're placing as much blame as possible on Pietro. Personally, I believe Wanda would've caused Decimation, anyway, if she had kept spending time with her father on Genosha.

I blame Wanda, and Agatha Harkness for driving her crazy in the first place.

[Colossal Spoons]

I look forward to seeing the next appearance of Wanda. I hope to God that Wolverine is in the area :D


Wait, did I just wish for a Wolverine appearance? :(

[Darthphere]

I suppose you're right. But still, take Spidey, for instance. He was living in a dream world with Gwen and Ben alive. To have them taken away from him the second time had a major impact on him. Pietro should've known better than to mess with an unstable, not to mention, insanely powerful mutant like his sister. Sure, he had good intentions, but are we forgetting Decimation? That was bound to happen. Loads of depowered mutants have died because of exactly that. Either they were in denial and jumping off buildings to their deaths, believing that they could still fly, took the easy way out; suicide, alone because humans and mutants didn't want them or murdered because some psychotic madman thought a pink Nimrod was God. In most eyes, Pietro is guilty as sin.


But Spider-Man did confront Pietro.

[Specter313]

I look forward to seeing the next appearance of Wanda. I hope to God that Wolverine is in the area :D


Wait, did I just wish for a Wolverine appearance? :(

New Avengers #26

[Colossal Spoons]

November can't come fast enough. Thanks :up:

[Xplicit Content]

Just read number 10...Madrox is a pimp. All I have to say is...go with Monet. I really liked the art in this issue. I'm probably in the minority, but I wasn't a fan of the outgoing artist. The new guy that's coming on looks promising too.

[MoPlaYa]

Next week at the comic shop will be fun for me...X-Factor #11, Astonishing X-Men #17 and X-Men: Cilvil War # 3

[hippy fascist]

Next week at the comic shop will be fun for me...X-Factor #11, Astonishing X-Men #17 and X-Men: Cilvil War # 3

current arc's great but the one I'm really looking forward to is #13

http://www.forbidden-planet.co.uk/acatalog/XFR13.jpg

Remember X-Factor #87? "X-Aminations," the analysis issue? Sure you do. Everybody does. Well, Peter David and new regular artist Pablo Raimondi evoke memories of that classic tale with "Re-X-Aminations" as the new team unloads their hopes, fears and darkest secrets to an attentive Doc Samson.

I'll be interested to see what he makes of layla :up:

[MoPlaYa]

I think Pablo Raimondi will do an Awesome job as the artist for X-Factor

[Colossal Spoons]

Next week at the comic shop will be fun for me...X-Factor #11, Astonishing X-Men #17 and X-Men: Cilvil War # 3

Hell yeah, and Civil War #4 to make it even sweeter. :D :D

[Specter313]

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/previews/2006/December/xfactor14.jpg



X-FACTOR #14
Written by PETER DAVID
Pencils & Cover by PABLO RAIMONDI
Five words to strike fear into the hearts of spies and evildoers everywhere: Jamie Madrox, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. Except Madrox has decided that it’s time to start gathering in the stray dupes that are still wandering around, the S.H.I.E.L.D. agent doesn’t especially want to go...and S.H.I.E.L.D. isn’t especially inclined to let him go.
32 PGS./Rated T+ ...$2.99

[hippy fascist]

the Coutdown Has Begun: Whose Side Are You On?

[JustABill]

Alright. What the hell is Rictor doing in that cover? And why the feck are M and Siryn attacking Rahne?

[Specter313]

Alright. What the hell is Rictor doing in that cover? And why the feck are M and Siryn attacking Rahne?

Rictor looks like he's doubled over in laughter and Rahne and Guido look like they're trying to separate M and Siryn. That, coupled with Madrox's bump on the noggin, you think they found out about a certain recent development, eh? :wow: :woot:

[squeekness]

Rictor looks like he's laughing. :)

[JustABill]

Haha. God how I love this cast. Not as much as I love the Runaways cast, but my god I love this cast. :D

[squeekness]

It's a good book and I'm glad I'm reading it. :)

[littleredhat]

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/previews/2006/December/xfactor14.jpg





X-FACTOR #14
Written by PETER DAVID
Pencils & Cover by PABLO RAIMONDI
Five words to strike fear into the hearts of spies and evildoers everywhere: Jamie Madrox, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. Except Madrox has decided that it’s time to start gathering in the stray dupes that are still wandering around, the S.H.I.E.L.D. agent doesn’t especially want to go...and S.H.I.E.L.D. isn’t especially inclined to let him go.
32 PGS./Rated T+ ...$2.99

How much you wanna bet Layla went in to fetch the ice five minutes before the fight started?:woot:

[Colossal Spoons]

^Haha, of course.

[Manic]

Especially since she wouldn't know Guido would be pulling the ladies apart.

[Generation Lee]

e seen the preview pages on buzzscope.com for this weeks issue my head exploded seriously and I'm reliatively new to these characters.

[mightiest_mortal]

Good grief. Ive just read the preview for 11.
The homo Killcrop group of mutants is such an ingenius and obvious idea. I can't believe it was created just for a throwaway conversation.

PAD rules on so many levels.
cant wait to get this issue later....

[Charlie No-One]

Good grief. Ive just read the preview for 11.
The homo Killcrop group of mutants is such an ingenius and obvious idea. I can't believe it was created just for a throwaway conversation.

PAD rules on so many levels.
cant wait to get this issue later....

....What?

[Specter313]

So,

Apparently Madrox isn't really a mutant but a "Changeling", which is what Tryp also claims he is. Should be interesting.

I thought that the way the group found out Guido killed Buchanan was very well done, and I'm glad that he was just possessed/hypnotized and he didn't do it of his own volition.

Layla was still hilarious, especially when she had that woman on the phone before Jamie even asked about it.

Rahne's reaction to M grabbin Jamie's butt was also funny.

And for those who hand been wondering before, yes, the old guy we saw earlier in the series is also Damian Tryp.

[mightiest_mortal]

....What?
Basically, Mutants have been cropping up for a lot longer than people think they have, but theyve been born with their powers, so people thought they were demon/fairy children (like the changeling stories). The babies were too young to defend themselves, and the world was more superstitious, so most were killed or abandoned and left to die at Birth. Mutants today gain their mutant powers at puberty. Theyve evolved this way, because only the mutants thats powers showed themselves later in their lives could survive.

There are still the occasional throwback to this old mutant strand though such as Jamie, Nightcrawler i guess, and now Tryp that were all born as mutants.

[littleredhat]

Alright everybody how many Killcrop Mutants do we know of?


Namor
Nightcrawler
Angel
Beast
Morph from the Exiles
Cable?
Franklin Richards?


Who else?

[Specter313]

Angel didn't get his wings til puberty.

[mightiest_mortal]

Alright everybody how many Killcrop Mutants do we know of?


Namor
Nightcrawler
Angel
Beast
Morph from the Exiles
Cable?
Franklin Richards?


Who else?

Professor X aswell i guess, as he did detect evil from cassnandra in the womb, unless that was because she was sharing his mind/body with him at the time.

I think its important that people dont start to think that they arent mutants. They are, just a more primitive form of mutants.


Loved this latest issue though... again. DAMN issue 11, and PAD still hasnt disapointed.

btw... why do the cast all have second code names now? or are they replacments for their normal codenames that noones really picked up on? ie Screaming Mimi+ Schizophrenic Man

[Nature's Rising]

staring at jamie makes all kind of horny...
yum

[usagicassidy]

lol...seeing as how the past week all I've watched was X-Men Evolution seasons 3 & 4, all I can picture is you thinking a 12 year old boy makes you horney...

[Darthphere]

I love this comic.

[Colossal Spoons]

btw... why do the cast all have second code names now? or are they replacments for their normal codenames that noones really picked up on? ie Screaming Mimi+ Schizophrenic Man

They're not new codenames, it was supposed to be a covert operation so they needed to be inconspicuous incase they were overheard. :up:

And I agree that the Homo Killcrop idea is awesome. If only we could get the rest of the Marvel Universe to accept it and make it stick.

[mightiest_mortal]

They're not new codenames, it was supposed to be a covert operation so they needed to be inconspicuous incase they were overheard. :up:
But isnt that what their normal codenames are meant to be for?

[Colossal Spoons]

But isnt that what their normal codenames are meant to be for?

Most people know them though. If they had said Siryn and Multiple Man, any eavesdroppers would have known immediately.

[MoPlaYa]

Just got issue 11....can`t wait for issue 12

[Manic]

Alright everybody how many Killcrop Mutants do we know of?


Namor
Nightcrawler
Angel
Beast
Morph from the Exiles
Cable?
Franklin Richards?


Who else?
Meggan Braddock

[Darthphere]

Hopefully we see more of this plotline being explored in other X-Books.

[mightiest_mortal]

Meggan Braddock
Isn't she meenat to be a fairy or sprite or something? never really read Excalibur so cud easily b wrong

[Generation Lee]

OK how do we know that Angel and Nightcrawler belong in the group as well as Beast. I'm kinda trying to figure out the origin I'm hoping its clearer next issue. Has anyone and more info did PAD cover this before?

[Specter313]

OK how do we know that Angel and Nightcrawler belong in the group as well as Beast. I'm kinda trying to figure out the origin I'm hoping its clearer next issue. Has anyone and more info did PAD cover this before?

It's characters whose mutation has been obvious from birth, rather than emerging at puberty. Which is why I pointed out that Angel doesn't belong, since his wings didn't sprout until puberty.

[Generation Lee]

Thanks. So Beast also cvannot count since he became furry artifically.

[Specter313]

Thanks. So Beast also cvannot count since he became furry artifically.

But his original mutation, besides the agility, is abnormally large hands and feet, which were evident since his birth.

[chris moore]

Plus, Beast's furry appearance was the result of a serum that triggered mutations - therefore his fur was a mutation of his, just not one that had become active yet. Much like most mutant's powers dont become active until puberty. Again, his Catlike mutation is his own - just an as yet inactive one. Given enough time and the proper emotional or psychological stimuli, he probably would have gone furry on his own, and even later, gone cat-like on his own. He considers his secondary mutation a de-evolution, but in fact it might be the physical form humans are destined to begin to take on in order to remain physically capable of surviving the ever changing environment in spite of mental development being thought of as the next stage in our evolution. You ever see the asgardians in SG-1? Geniuses - but one of those little guys with their vastly enhanced brains facing a threat and stuck without their tech, and they'd snap like dry spagetti!

Mutants are mutants. Tryp was just trying to justify to Jamie's parents that Jamie belonged with him because his powers were evident at birth rather than puberty so he has a better understanding of Jamie and his powers than Xavier because Xavier didnt get his powers till puberty.

Mutants are humans who have finally had the evolutionary potential that the Celestials unlocked, manifested due to the right environmental conditions (increased atmospheric radiation, mating of two people who already have that potential triggered by an accident a la Sue and Reed, parental exposure to mutation causing radiation or conditions, natural genetic drift coincidentally activating the gene). At an earlier point, birth manifestations may have been more commonplace, but the abandonment of these through fear of devil worship and witchcraft led to the natural selection of those who managed to survive childhood - these are the subset referred to by Tryp. Reaction to natural selection in the opposite direction led to the manifestation of mutancy at puberty when they stood a better chance. Its not a separate offshoot - just an every now and then divergence from the norm of mutancy.

[Nature's Rising]

lol...seeing as how the past week all I've watched was X-Men Evolution seasons 3 & 4, all I can picture is you thinking a 12 year old boy makes you horney...

Ew. That's disturbing, seeing as how Jamie is a teen there...ewww...
lol
But seriously. :cwink:

[AndThePickles]

Hopefully we see more of this plotline being explored in other X-Books.

It would be interesting to see if it grew to that point. This series is so fantastic, it's really kept me curious and hooked the whole time.

[Specter313]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0610/11/xfactor12c.jpg

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X-Factor #12 will arrive in stores on Oct. 18 from Marvel Comics. The issue is written by Peter David, with art by Renato Arlem and a cover by Ryan Sook.

Here's how Marvel describes the issue:

"It all climaxes here: The final showdown with Mr. Tryp and Singularity, X-Factor's desperate race to save all the former mutants from annihilation, and the truth behind the shocking traitor in their midst."

X-Factor #12 will be 32 pages and will cost $2.99.

[hippy fascist]

as spideyinatree would say..."wake up and smell the awesomeness!"

[Specter313]

http://images.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Jan07/covers/XFACT015cov_col.jpg



X-FACTOR #15
Written by PETER DAVID
Pencils and Cover by PABLO RAIMONDI
Having a hard time accepting the idea of Jamie Madrox, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D.? Well, that's nothing compared to what's going to happen when Jamie is captured by S.H.I.E.L.D.'s foremost opponents and is transformed into Jamie Madrox...Agent of Hydra! Plus...Siryn and Monet decide to go shopping and have a grand Mall seizure!
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99

[Darthphere]

God I love this ****ing comic.

[JustABill]

A grand mall seizure? Siryn and Monet shopping TOGETHER? Oh, this I have got to read.

[AndThePickles]

Awesome cover :up:

[Manic]

God I love this ****ing comic.
My thoughts exactly

[spark627]

Hydra... oy, I'm kinda over them. And Jamie is goign to become an agent of SHILED.. interesting

[Specter313]

Oh man, oh man, what an issue!

PAD is really setting up some amazing stuff here, especially the possibility that X-Factor could be responsible for reversing the Decimation. Heck, even Layla was left speechless by the end of the issue, so you know it's good!

[mightiest_mortal]

Good issue,
I think its so funny that you have an 8 year old girl and some ancient pensioner as mortal enemies of eachother.

[spark627]

I'm confused about a few things, maybe someone can help

SPOILERS....




So why didn't Layla want X-Factor to know the truth about decimation?? SI doesn't want the former mutants to regain their powers, which they would from Quicksilver (right?), Layla doesn't want Quicksilver around either is this bc of the same reason, does she know that the future Tryp spoke about is real? So basically they want the same thing, right? lol Layla confuses me

[chris moore]

Layla appears to interpret chaos theory. So she experiences or witnesses an event of some magnitude (small or large), and her power knits together the "choice path" that will lead to its conclusion in our timeline and universe (the "every choice that is made results in an alternate timeline or universe" theory). She then takes steps to ensure that does or does not happen. I guess her powers make her sort of a random element that has no bearing on the choice path until she intervenes deliberately.

While the Scarlet Witch's twins are possibly the two twins over in Young Avengers, Layla could be the aspect of Wanda that Wanda herself created in HoM. Essentially acting as her subconscious knowing what she had done for Pietro was wrong, or being the "get out clause" if her own "spell" consumed her completely and she'd need a part of her to be separate to know what was real.

Pietro's terrigen mist ability seems to lack control - so the mutants regaining their abilities through him seems like it would result in more mutants dying than there could be overtaking normal humanity in numbers. Must be some other way - like using Tryp himself (an irony the old coot didnt see coming). He exists in all points in his lifetime (more on that in a sec), so there are versions of him everywhere in the timestream. It might be possible to utilise this ability (or ramification of his elemental ability) to revert all those who used to be mutants to a version of themselves before they lost their powers. Really this makes that process kind of like the system restore function on your computer in case of huge mistakes. It'd be funny as hell if Tryp's meddling in things to keep X-Factor out of the decimation investigation are what led them to find him and deduce his power could be used to restore mutants, which in turn leads to the future he has seen.

Now, Tryps power: Why just cos he's in tune with the earth to make (as we have only seen) winds, does he get to be so attuned that he exists as versions oif himself throughout his lifetime? Storm can control and feel every aspect of the earth's biosphere and feels part of "Mother Earth" and has said so herself, but she doesnt have this extra thing Tryp does...

And is immortality one of his powers as well? I can see if he exists in all points in HIS LIFELINE, then he would have an old version barely there now, and a present version of fortyish walking about, and a past version of twenty five ish walking about now - but how then does he have a fortyish version solid now if his ten year old version was alive in 13thC Wales? Is it really that versions from every point in his life are actually spread out through lifetimes throughout the Earth's history or something? I dont get it.

[Kevin]

What's up with quicksilver? is he apart of x-factor or not?

[spark627]

he is living in mutant town and giving former mutants their powers back. x-factor doesn't trust him. if they believe tryps story about the future, quicksilver might become an enemy

[MoPlaYa]

Issue #12 is a great issue!!....I can`t wait for #13...It should be nice to have a regular artist now

[hippy fascist]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MADROX-Multiple-Man-T-shirt-NEW-X-FACTOR-DESIGN-X-men-L_W0QQitemZ230039545426QQihZ013QQcategoryZ48776QQs sPageNameZWD2VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

this is not my auction so I don't think I'm breaking any rules but how cool is this! :up:

[MoPlaYa]

I would love to have a shirt like that....I also loved how Peter David is Hyping issue 13

[Kevin]

Jamie is the sexiest man in comics, Sook drew him the best... I miss Sook. that is all.

[hippy fascist]

one thing I've always wondered, madrox learns whatever his dupes have learnt when he re-absorbs them but while they are seperate does he have any kind of psychic link to them? Can he see what they see... etc.

[Specter313]

one thing I've always wondered, madrox learns whatever his dupes have learnt when he re-absorbs them but while they are seperate does he have any kind of psychic link to them? Can he see what they see... etc.

No, he's never shown anything like that. That might require him to be slightly psychich or empathic as well, but who knows, maybe that's something PAD has in the pipeline. I never really saw him being able to reabsorb dupes from afar like he's able to do now, so we'll see.

[mightiest_mortal]

No, he's never shown anything like that. That might require him to be slightly psychich or empathic as well, but who knows, maybe that's something PAD has in the pipeline. I never really saw him being able to reabsorb dupes from afar like he's able to do now, so we'll see.
He learnt the "absorb from afar" trick in the madrox mini.
As far as telepatchic bond, I know he can tell if his dupes are unconscious or dead but i think thats as far as it stratches

[Specter313]

I know where he learned it from, I just never saw him being able to do it before that, which is what I was saying to illustrate that we can't totally guess where his connections to the dupes will stop in the future.

[hippy fascist]

i'd like to see more on his upper limits in terms of dupes like with the madrii in AoA...

[Darthphere]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MADROX-Multiple-Man-T-shirt-NEW-X-FACTOR-DESIGN-X-men-L_W0QQitemZ230039545426QQihZ013QQcategoryZ48776QQs sPageNameZWD2VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

this is not my auction so I don't think I'm breaking any rules but how cool is this! :up:


Garbage, the color scheme is all wrong.

[hippy fascist]

Garbage, the color scheme is all wrong.

such a cold and bitter child...:csad:

[Darthphere]

If youre going to sell it as Madrox's X-Factor shirt, use the right colors *****! You wouldnt sell a Batman shirt with a purple bat logo on orange.

[hippy fascist]

If youre going to sell it as Madrox's X-Factor shirt, use the right colors *****! You wouldnt sell a Batman shirt with a purple bat logo on orange.

true, but where do you stand on rubber nipples?

[Darthphere]

Acceptable.

[JustABill]

true, but where do you stand on rubber nipples?
Not speaking for Darth, they turn me the **** on. Clooney nipples. Oooh la la.

Err....eww...I just barfed in my mouth a little. :(

[Darthphere]

Bat nipples wouldve been forgotten if the movie was good.

[hippy fascist]

I always wondered if they had some purpose, like kryten from red dwarf could use his to tune his built in radio...

[JustABill]

It was obviously for nothing more than that bondage sessions between George Clooney and Chris O Donnell on set. Alicia Silverstone just got to watch. :o

[mightiest_mortal]

I always wondered why, in that movie, Batgirl didnt get at all creeped out when she discovered that her Uncle had been spending his free time designing skin tight rubber costumes for her.

[hippy fascist]

I always wondered why, in that movie, Batgirl didnt get at all creeped out when she discovered that her Uncle had been spending his free time designing skin tight rubber costumes for her.

'cause he's george clooney...even blood relatives can't resist his charms :o

[Darthphere]

I always wondered why, in that movie, Batgirl didnt get at all creeped out when she discovered that her Uncle had been spending his free time designing skin tight rubber costumes for her.


I always wondered why they made her Alfred's niece.

[Specter313]

YOU REALLY NEED TO READ THIS:

Most X-fans probably missed it.

While your more typical X-Men were traipsing around in Shi-ar space, or fighting the Children of the Vault, over in X-Factor, Peter David quietly, but fundamentally shifted the placement of mutants in the evolutionary tree.

As the head of Singularity Investigations, Damian Tryp explained, there were mutants before there were mutants. Well, before the current crop of Homo superior that everyone likes to make a fuss about.

These “mutants” that preceded the contemporary versions were a rung down on the evolutionary ladder. As Tryp said:

“’Homo superior did not spring into existence overnight. Before them, there were beings like Jamie [Madrox]. Like myself. ‘Changelings.’ ‘Replacement people.’ ‘Killcrops…’ That’s my favorite. We were blamed for poor harvests. Heh”

As Tryp explained, these creatures possessed varied powers, almost as if nature was giving things a test run before it really hunkered down and got serious with Homo superior. As further explained by Tryp, every now and then, a “Homo killcrop” shows up – birthed of normal parents, and most often mistaken for a mutant. Those “mutants” – like Jamie Madrox – who have had their powers since birth, rather than gaining them at adolescence? They just might be one of these evolutionary throwbacks.

Think of them as the “Titans” of myth to the mutant “Gods.”

“Basically the notion stemmed from the scientific tendency to keep reclassifying dinosaurs,” David explained when asked where this all came from. “They find a skeleton with small variations from a known species and they immediately say, ‘These variations mean that this is a different species altogether.’ Pondering Jamie's origins, I was struck by the notion that one of the major aspects of mutants is that the powers manifest when they become adolescents. Indeed, this trait has become one of the major thematic underpinnings of the whole mutant concept: That the transition in adolescence is symbolic of teens having to cope with the hardships of growing up or--depending who you talk to--that becoming a teen, realizing that you're a mutant and thus have to cope with a society that may despise you for it is analogous to becoming a teen, ‘realizing’ you're gay and experiencing that same notion of being hated for what you are.

To me it's so tied in with adolescence that, in pondering Jamie's origins, the fact that he manifested his power at birth leaped out at me. I thought, ‘If having small variations in skeletal structure result in a different species of dinosaur, shouldn't it be that having a major variation in the normal presentation of mutant powers be a different species as well?’ But the notion of simply having it be an offshoot branch of homo superior wasn't interesting to me. Then I considered the notion of having it play into evolution: That once upon a time, powers always manifested at birth. The result was that the children were typically killed, presumed to be demonspawn and such. It explained to my satisfaction why it was that there were so few individuals born with powers prior to the 20th Century, beyond the notion of ‘Oh, well it's because of radiation.’ The race that we call Homo superior didn't show up out of nowhere; evolution doesn't work that way. They should up after uncounted centuries of natural selection in which the ones born with powers didn't survive, and the ones whose powers manifested when they were older and could protect themselves did.

“So does that mean that Jamie was never a Homo superior? That perhaps others, such as Nightcrawler, aren't either? Maybe. We'll see how it plays out.”

Put that in your pipe and smoke it, X-fans.

No really – think of the implications…an entire other race of mutant-type beings out there, perhaps hidden and living among us, like Tryp. Pepper in some strife…perhaps more like Tryp seeking out and collecting others like himself (issue #11) strongly implied that Tryp created the tornado that killed Madrox’s parents). Suddenly, the story ideas just start coming out of the woodwork, no? And not little stories. Whole, big-picture, “You’ve ignored your cousins the apes for too long, and now they’re here to kick your ass” type stories, huh?

Actually…next summer’s big crossover event…

Won’t really have anything to do with this. The element was just something David put into X-Force as he said, because it seemed to fit.

“I think fans are conditioned to think that, if stories aren't accompanied by multiple covers, huge advertising campaigns and sweeping crossovers - all the things they claim they hate but nevertheless respond to - then the subject matter is incidental and can be safely overlooked,” David said, noting that the bulk of X-Men fans probably missed the development entirely. “Many will ignore a book until they're literally forced to read it. You have no idea how many postings I saw after the Civil War tie-ins of fans saying, ‘I never read X-Factor until now; is the book always this good?’ and the regulars would immediately pipe in with, ‘Yup.’”

Oh, and one other little bombshell that was dropped in - if you’ve been looking for the period at the end of the sentence that was “Decimation,” it was here. Basically, as Tryp explained to the mutants, Decimation was something that had to happen and has to stick, otherwise, well, the picture of the future if the mutants regained their powers sure made it look like nowhere that you wanted to visit anytime soon.

“Of course, our heroes now have to wrestle with the notion of whether that's really true,” David said. “For that matter, what if they restore everyone's powers but then take the lead in trying to make the future turn out differently even though the mutants are fully empowered again?”

So – kind of long-winded spiel about why you should be reading X-Factor over, next month’s issue, “Re-X-aminations” (#13) doesn’t play with “Homo killcrop” at all, really – it’s a sequel of sorts, separated from its first part by 13 years (yes, we checked the math), and featuring the X-Factor team all being analyzed by Doctor Leonard Samson, psychiatrist to the super-powered folks of the Marvel Universe.

The “first part,” if you want to call it that, happened in X-Factor #87 written by David and drawn by young star on the rise, Joe Quesada (this his cover for issue #13 up top, by the way).

So what was that story about?

“About twenty two pages. Ba DUM bum. Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week. Be sure to tip your waitress.”

Alrigtht, better yet – why was there a need for “couch time” among the team members of that iteration?

“I was getting a little frustrated by fan perception that the characters were flat, one-dimensional and such,” David said. “See, here's the thing: In those days, fans had become accustomed to the way Chris [Claremont] wrote the mutant characters. There was tons of expository thought balloons where they would be laying out every single thing that was running through their heads. Basically, Chris spoon fed the fans the characterization--very effectively, I might add, obviously, judging by fan reaction and sales--and that's what they became used to. My writing style was different. I preferred to have them display their characterization purely through action and dialogue rather than lengthy self-reflection. But fans didn't get that. They wanted everything spelled out, just like they were used to, and because I wasn't doing that, they just assumed the characters had no depth.

“Deciding something needed to be done, I hit on the notion that--since they were a government team--it made sense for the government to insist they go in for a psychiatric consult after a particularly traumatic encounter. That way I could have an entire issue where the team members did nothing but talk about themselves. I could spell out for the fans all the characterization that was abundantly clear to me but apparently wasn't getting through to the readers. I could do it once, never have to deal with it again, and the fans would know where my guys were coming from that point on.”

And why revisit the story approach now? Surely, after 12 issues, there’s not one regular reader that thinks the members of X-factor lack depth…

So blame a (then) kid who picked up the issue and thought it was cool. Thing is, this fan’s name also appears with David’s in the credit box.

“[X-Factor editor] Andy Schmidt suggested it, actually,” David said. “No different from any other fan of my first run, Andy cited that issue as his favorite, and thought it would be a cool idea to do the exact same thing for the new team as we'd done for the old. I'd like to think I'm a better writer now than I was then, and have done a better job at getting the characterization across through show, don't tell. Nevertheless, I figured that Andy was right and it wouldn't hurt to have an issue where the characters ponder themselves. Plus having it occur at the end of the first Singularity Investigations arc seemed a good place to take a breather.”

This time, as David explained, the members go at Jamie’s insistence, and, since he’s the boss, they gotta.

“For the original members - Guido, Rahne - he's an old friend. For the new ones, they're basically doing it to humor Jamie, and I very much suspect that Monet would never have indulged Jamie's request if they weren't sleeping together.”

And yes, this time, Quicksilver will also have a session.

“It wouldn't be the same without Quicksilver,” David said. “When X-Factor #87 came out, I was literally flooded with letters - this was back in the days when you actually got paper letters - from fans saying that they'd hated Pietro for decades, and in just a few pages, I'd completely turned them around. Everyone admitted to having been driven nuts standing behind someone who didn't know how to operate an ATM. Curiously, no one ever admitted to being the one who didn't know how to operate an ATM…

“In any event, this time around, Doc takes it upon himself to check in with Quicksilver because he's literally in the area and drops in. And Pietro is happy to talk to him because, well, Pietro is a budding megalomaniac, so he's happy to talk to anyone. My goal the first time around was to make Pietro as sympathetic as possible to readers. This time out, I want him to come across as the most chilling individual in the X-Universe. I want readers to come out of that scene, put the comic down and say, ‘Jeeeeez’ before they can then pick it up and finish it.”

And moving on from there? Well, as regular readers will recall, Jamie Madrox had left one of his duplicates at SHIELD, where he’d become a full-on agent. Thanks to recent events, Jamie’s looking to round up his long external dupes, and that starts with Jamie Madrox, Agent of SHIELD.

“Jamie feels the need to get his act together in every sense of the word, and decides it's time to round up the few stray dupes still out there,” David said. “Plus we're going to have some serious shake ups in group dynamics as a result of ‘Re-X-aminations,’ moreso than when we did X-Factor #87. Plus we're going to see the rise of a radical group of former mutants. Remember how, when AIDS first started, many believed - probably still believe - that it was the result of a secret government plan? Or how some people believe that Bush was secretly behind the attack on the World Trade Center in order to foster his agenda - which, I have to emphasize, even I, as much as I dislike Bush, don't believe for a heartbeat. I thought it would make sense to have a movement among former mutants believing that the government was behind the loss of their powers and they go into guerilla attack mode, which is really going to put X-Factor on the spot. They're supposed to be protecting former mutants, but at the same time, they know the real reason behind M-Day...but now they're worried about the potential ramifications if they go public.”

Oh, and finally, if any of this sounds wonky, or hard to follow, like all Marvel books, X-Factor has those "Previously in X-Factor" pages where everything is made clear – including notes on Peter David daughters’ accomplishments.

“Just trying to make them a little different,” David said. “You know, just like the rest of the book: You never know what's going to happen next.”

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/X_Factor/QXFACTORcvrInks.jpg

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=88905


I'm really looking forward to this issue.

[Specter313]

From Newsarama:

Yesterday, we spoke with X-Factor writer Peter David about the recent developments showcased in the book as well as some hints at next month’s issue #13, which puts the team back on Doc Samson’s couch for therapy.

Along with an inside look at what makes the team members tick, X-Factor #13 also features the addition of regular series artist Pablo Raimondi. We spoke with the artist.

Newsarama: First off Pablo, what got you on to the series? Was there a particular straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak…aomething that made the book/gig just irresistible?

Pablo Raimondi: Irresistible? Yeah, it's X-Factor with Peter David, what else would I need to be sold on it?! I had a blast working with Peter on the original Madrox mini-series that set X-Factor up, so I knew right away that the book would be right up my alley.

Other than that, the timing worked out perfectly--- I was wrapping up Books Of Doom with Ed Brubaker as X-Factor became available, and both Peter and Andy Schmidt thought I would be a good fit for the book. I thought about it for a quarter of a second and then jumped on it before either of them could change his mind.

NRAMA: Of all the X-titles, probably of all of Marvel titles, period, X-Factor seems to be split pretty much 50/50 in terms of big action and exposition - scenes of people talking, with as much being said through their expressions as their dialogue. Are you comfortable with that, or is it something that you're growing to deal with?

PR: As much as I enjoy doing action sequences, I have to admit that most of the time I prefer working on the expositional scenes even more, simply because I naturally tend to focus a lot on facial expressions and character acting. That's not to say they are easy, but i just find it incredibly satisfying when I'm done with a scene and the characters appear to be moving and reacting in a way I can believe and relate to. I also think that Peter and I have similar story- telling sensibilities, so I have yet to come across a scene in the scripts that I can't wait to draw, as difficult as they may be.

NRAMA: So far, are any characters coming to you more naturally than others? Any characters proving to be bigger challenges than the rest?

PR: Well, at this point Madrox is by far the character I'm more familiar with, so he's the easier one. Layla is also a lot of fun to draw, and so are Monet and Rictor. I guess the one that I find the most challenging is probably Guido, simply because he's an awkward character to draw in the pseudo-realistic style I work on. I mean, the guy is supposed to be disproportionately big, but at the same time he needs to be able to fit through a door or sit behind the wheel of a car, so finding the balance that makes the character work from a visual standpoint can sometimes be tricky.

NRAMA: Speaking specifically about issue #13 - as has been revealed, it's therapy time. Were there any particular challenges to this issue?

PR: Yeah, to not screw it up. I have to admit that it was a little intimidating at first knowing that my first issue would pay homage to X-Factor #87, which I have always been a huge fan of. Actually, when I moved to New York from Argentina 12 years ago, I brought about 10 comic-books with me from home and one of them was X-Factor #87, which I still have to this day. So yeah, I got a little nervous at first, but then I realized my deadline was creeping up and I quickly got over it.

What I did was pay a couple of small homages of my own by referencing some stuff that I remembered from the original issue - like the vertical panel grid that would close-up on a character, or the way the therapist's hand would hang in the foreground of a panel framing whoever he was talking to. Stuff like that. On one hand it was challenging to keep the pages visually engaging because, after all, the characters are sitting in one same room for most of the issue, but on the other hand I found all the characters so interesting that it wasn't hard to keep the ball rolling.

NRAMA: Going forward - issue #14 deals with Jamie collecting his dupes. As Peter has brought out, his duplicates all have different personalities. How do you express that, artistically?

PR: Well, it's all pretty much in the acting of the character, so I'm always very aware of what it is that I need him to convey in order to have the personality come through. That's exactly what makes Madrox so much fun, though. Getting to see (and, in my case, draw) all these different sides to him is what keeps the character so consistently fascinating.

NRAMA: Wrapping things up, is there anything in particular coming up that really has you jazzed? Anything that has you apprehensive about how you'll approach it?

PR: Apprehensive? Yeah, my deadlines. Other than that, I'm just way too excited about this, I can't wait to have the book in my hands. And beyond issue #13 things just keep on getting better. Issue #14 is probably one of the funniest comic-books I've ever read, #15 has Hydra and S.H.I.E.L.D. in it, which are both incredibly fun to draw, and #16... well, you'll have to wait and see, I don't want to give too much away. I'm just having a blast, and hopefully so will everybody who picks up the book, too.

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http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=89038 (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=89038)

[Darthphere]

Looks ****ing awesome.

[squeekness]

The art on that looks amazing. A big step in the right direction. :D

[Kevin]

i can't wait! SQUEEEEEEE!!... oh wait...

[mightiest_mortal]

Damn, thats one sweetass preview, I just wish hed been on Art since the start.
so is the JoeyQ cover a variant then?

[Manic]

Good art, good story. This book just keeps getting better.

[The Watchman]

This book just keeps surprising the hell out of me, I can't believe I'm buying X-Factor, totally not my style, but it's easily the best thing Marvel is putting out right now.

[KingOfDreams]

The new art looks fantastic. I think I'm going to have to start buying this book again. The book hasn't been the same since Sook left in my opinion and now that we have the guy who drew the Madrox mini on board I think it's come full circle and it appears to me that this is a good place to jump back in.

[MoPlaYa]

I think X-Factor will take off now that it has an artist as good as Raimondi...Hopefullly he stays on permantley

[Specter313]

Here's the Quesada varient to #13 in color:

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0610/30/xfactor13b.jpg

[Harlekin]

I really can't wait for issue 13. Some of the stuff PAD has introduced I'm not too happy with (Madrox possibly NOT being mutant but something more, and the slightly big Angel-like-tones) but the title is still very very enjoyable, and this issue should be great. I have faith in PAD to get lightning in a bottle twice.

[Manic]

Some of the stuff PAD has introduced I'm not too happy with (Madrox possibly NOT being mutant but something more
I think Jamie might still be x-gene positive, though. He's just part of a sub-class of mutants whose mutations are present during birth. Like Meggan Braddock.

Like Tryp said, killcrops/changelings are basically the predecessor to mutants.

[Harlekin]

Except Meggan is quite possibly a faerie, or a faerie/mutant-hybrid. Either way, the way it was presented by Tryp was that they were really a class on their own, similar to how Vargas was portrayed. Predecessor and superior to mutants. That could just be me though. I like it better when Madrox is simply a mutant who's got cool powers. Like I said, I don't also really like the X-Factor-makes-or-breaks-the-world approach, since, together with the whole evil law firm thing reminds me of Angel, a show that I loved, but this isn't Angel, this is X-Factor.

[Kevin]

Well this is the new X-factor, and I like the new X-factor. It's nice to get away from the whole "Superhero" thing the other x-titles are going on about. I say, bring on the PAD.

[mightiest_mortal]

Except Meggan is quite possibly a faerie, or a faerie/mutant-hybrid. Either way, the way it was presented by Tryp was that they were really a class on their own, similar to how Vargas was portrayed. Predecessor and superior to mutants. That could just be me though. I like it better when Madrox is simply a mutant who's got cool powers. Like I said, I don't also really like the X-Factor-makes-or-breaks-the-world approach, since, together with the whole evil law firm thing reminds me of Angel, a show that I loved, but this isn't Angel, this is X-Factor.
Well, the law firm part wont be around anymore following the current arc by the looks of things.
Jamie is still a mutant, just an earlier version of a mutant. Doesnt mean hes any better or worse than other mutants. The only difference we know is that his mutant power kicked in earlier than other mutants.

[Harlekin]

Well this is the new X-factor, and I like the new X-factor. It's nice to get away from the whole "Superhero" thing the other x-titles are going on about. I say, bring on the PAD.
Oh, I totally agree, I just wish the parallels wouldn't be there.

Well, the law firm part wont be around anymore following the current arc by the looks of things.
Jamie is still a mutant, just an earlier version of a mutant. Doesnt mean hes any better or worse than other mutants. The only difference we know is that his mutant power kicked in earlier than other mutants.
You know, it's a paradox. I love the law firm part, but it's also just a little too obvious with the Angel parallel. Eh, I guess the thing with the Madrox being a pre-mutant, to call it that, is ok, but it felt a little like the "Angel is more than just a simple vampire" thing.

[danielisthor]

Layla is slowly moving up my favorite character charts.

[Manic]

I, personally, was a little confused by Singularity. Everyone likes to draw the Angel law firm parallels, but I thought they were a large-scale private detective agency. After all, they were Singularity Investigations, not Singularity Legal. Then you've got a staff of scientists, and Tryp representing that one actor in the first few issues.

Really, Singularity is the most ill-defined business since since Donald Trump's. And like Chris Rock says, if you can't describe your business in 6 words or less, your ass is guilty of something.

[Silvermoth]

I, personally, was a little confused by Singularity. Everyone likes to draw the Angel law firm parallels, but I thought they were a large-scale private detective agency. After all, they were Singularity Investigations, not Singularity Legal. Then you've got a staff of scientists, and Tryp representing that one actor in the first few issues.

Really, Singularity is the most ill-defined business since since Donald Trump's. And like Chris Rock says, if you can't describe your business in 6 words or less, your ass is guilty of something.

I'm sure there will be more on Singualrity soon. And Chris Rock is right, Singularity is guilty of something lol

[Specter313]

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X-FACTOR #16
Written by PETER DAVID
Pencils and Cover by PABLO RAIMONDI
James Maddocks: A good man. A family man. A man of God, who opens the door in his Minnesota home one day to discover himself face-to-face with his "maker"--Jamie Madrox, the Multiple Man, come to remove the runaway dupe from the home and life he's created for himself. How far will Maddocks go to save his existence...and will Jamie be willing to destroy Maddocks' life in order to be whole once more?
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99

[Colossal Spoons]

Maaaan, why is this book so F'in awesome?

I hope that wasn't forshadowing; with Layla calling herself expendable. :(

[AndThePickles]

Oooo that issue sounds awesome! I'm actually surprised something similar has never happened before.

[Darthphere]

Gangsta!

[hippy fascist]

I think Jamie might still be x-gene positive, though. He's just part of a sub-class of mutants whose mutations are present during birth. Like Meggan Braddock.

Like Tryp said, killcrops/changelings are basically the predecessor to mutants.

Not only that, it's a retcon that for once doesn't feel forced, illogical or unnecessary. It creates essentially a whole new race of powered characters and yet taking into account the evolutionary nature of mutants it makes perfect logical sense.

My only concern is this might be a quick way for marvel to tie up the whole 198 being the official figure, but in no way an acurate representation of present mutant numbers, thing. There could be thousands of killcrops still around with powers since they're not mutants in the traditional sense, thus making them immune to scarlet witch's pmt

[StormCrazy]

Image Request: Does anyone have a pic of Monet in her new costume? I haven't seen the whole thing. Preferrably on a standing position. Whole body. I just wanna see if it really looks good. :yay:

[Darthphere]

Trust me, it does.

[The Watchman]

I think he wants to touch himself to it.

[Darthphere]

Who wouldnt?

[StormCrazy]

Huh!!!??? You and your dirty minds...

[Silvermoth]

Heres a quick one I did, just for curiositys sake, in the middle of the night...

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/554/xfactorbr8.jpg

[Darthphere]

Yeah, I pretty much hate every bit of casting there.

[Kevin]

people are just fugly

[Xplicit Content]

I only like the Monet casting choice.

[Manic]

I only like the Monet casting choice.
I was just about to say that. It's the only choice I can remotely agree with.

I love Julia Stiles, but... Rahne?

[Nature's Rising]

Thank god no one thought about Lindsay Lohan. God, now that's sick.

[Manic]

Thank god no one thought about Lindsay Lohan. God, now that's sick.
Don't give anyone any ideas.

[Silvermoth]

I was just about to say that. It's the only choice I can remotely agree with.

I love Julia Stiles, but... Rahne?

Yeah but I couldn't think or find a pic of anyone else. Does anyone have any better Rahne casting ideas?

[Manic]

How about someone Scottish?

[Silvermoth]

How about someone Scottish?

Do you know anyone Scottish? If I knew a Scottish actor, don't you think I would have used them?

[mightiest_mortal]

Great Issue :) even if it is by a second rate creative team rofl

[Kevin]

:confused:

[CaptainCanada]

:confused:
On the Letters Page, somebody wrote in and said that the book was quite good, despite having a second-rate creative team, and saying that a first-rate one could take things to a new level.

A very good issue.

[Kevin]

WHAT?!? some people just need to shut the **** up.

[hippy fascist]

Yeah, I pretty much hate every bit of casting there.

how about this cast? (completely impossible but ideal world...)

M: Linda fiorentino (have to fudge the age a bit)
http://www.superiorpics.com/hs/linda_fiorentino/main1.jpg


Rictor:Martin Henderson
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Layla Miller:Hayden Panettiere (again, have to fudge the age a bit...)

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Jamie Madrox: Chris Evans

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siryn: Clare Danes (still not sure on this one)

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Strong Guy: Kurt Angle (definately the toughest one, as close as I could get...)

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/pv/Kurt%20Angle-4.jpg


Wolfsbane:Hilary Swank

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Completely unrealistic but it'd be cool!

[Kevin]

Chris Evans is too cute to be Jamie. Jamie's cute, but not that cute.

[hippy fascist]

Chris Evans is too cute to be Jamie. Jamie's cute, but not that cute.

you have to admit though Hayden Panettiere is the spitting image of layla

[Kevin]

She IS annoying enough:woot:

[Manic]

Loved this issue. Also, I made sure to pick up the Raimondi cover. Quesada's a good artist, but the group picture trumps "Samson on the couch" any day.

[Colossal Spoons]

What an awesome issue. Why the hell would Jamie tell M before Siryn? Dummy.

[Kevin]

tell her what?

[danielisthor]

What an awesome issue. Why the hell would Jamie tell M before Siryn? Dummy.


Not sure other than that he's had feeling for Teresa before and would probably want to again. The best part is that he doesn't even know if it was him or one of the dupes with either of the .

Better yet was that it seems that Layla's future telling wasn't a lie

[chris moore]

Although... Elder Tryp did say that Layla was the factor they couldnt see. The one that affected the outcome of events. And given that Rhane most likely picked up this future impression from when she made contact with future Tryp, it might be that the events she saw are only one path that could be taken, but Tryp believes it to be THE path (until he met Layla and realised she was the x-factor after all)

[Colossal Spoons]

tell her what?

That he(or a dupe) slept with both M and Siryn.

[Kevin]

Ohhhhh. Ooooooo

[Generation Lee]

Loved every part of this issue. Laughed so hard at the Samson Jamie exchange priceless. Monet is human! PAD made it simple and creditable without altering her in any way IMO as I haven't read Generation X.

I hope PAD never leaves and CC takes a leaf out of his book.

[Specter313]

I really loved the last issue too, especially what he did with Monet. I didn't see that little reveal with her coming at all. That's what I love about what PAD does with these kids. He really makes you care about all of them, even Quicksilver at his craziest.

[Snikt 6]

^ Alright, been debating whether to pick up X-Factor or not. I have been waiting for this issue because I love how they did it years ago. So, is this title worth picking up?

[Specter313]

Definitely. It's just at good if not better than the core three books at times.

[Snikt 6]

Alright bro, I trust ya. I will pick it up and give it a try. Not to hot on the Lyla character though. But with Jamie and Syrin on the team its gotta be somewhat good. Thanks.

[Manic]

That's the brilliant part. Layla Miller was such a horrible throw-away character from House of M, but David made her so interesting. Basically, he made her into a real character.

[Nature's Rising]

I agree! Layla is just awesomely written. David made her into a very brilliant and interesting character! She kicks so much ass.

OH puh-leasssseeee, not that Claire Danes. She's so annoying. And Kurt Angle is too short to be Guido. Lacey Chabert could be good enough for Monet, but she has some questionable acting skills.

[Kevin]

"I'm Layla Miller, I know stuff" *she says as his heart goes out.* Yea, she's total badass:up:

[Manic]

Lacey Chabert could be good enough for Monet, but she has some questionable acting skills.
Monet is black.
http://www.numutant.net/monet.jpg

This is why my only gripe about this book is the art. The artists are inconsistent, and the colorist makes Monet look white.

Granted, it's not as bad as that ass-hat who colored X-Men: The End...

[Kevin]

i thought PAD, in one of his letter pages, said she just had dark skin? not black?:confused:

[Manic]

Aren't M's origins always being re-written? I used to hear she was from Monaco, and then Morocco, and now Wikipedia says Bosnia. Either way, her skin used to be a hell of a lot darker in the 90s than it is today.

[Nature's Rising]

Manic, the reason that I also picked Lacey is because there's a very big debate about Monet's true race. I mean, she grew up in a like latin heritage, and then some people say she's black (which is evident on her color skin) and for me, Lacey Chabert could pass both hispanic/black complexion because there's also a very big debate about it too. Let's say they just fit perfectly right together.

[Charlie No-One]

After looking at her pictures on IMDB, she can't pass as either.

[Manic]

Lacey has one of those Hollywood tans. If you watch the movie Mean Girls (or Party of 5, or the Lost in Space movie, or Not Another Teen Movie, or just do a search on Google), you'll find that she has a generally fair complexion. I've never for a moment doubted Lacey Chabert was white. Otherwise, she wouldn't be on my Top 5 White Girls list.

[Kevin]

Okay, just finished reading 10-13, I don't need to comment on the writing as it was of course good. I completely trust PAD. But the art... I've never seen Renato Arlem's artwork before and I never want to to see again. It wasn't bad, but I HATED it. Everyone was ugly. Now, I've read the MADROX mini, so I've seen Pablo Raimondi's artwork... IT WAS LOVELY!!

(I'm sorry that I'm about to go completely gay on you guys, but I can't help it.:O:woot:) First, Any artist who makes Jamie sexy as hell is an "A" in my book, and only two people have done it so far. Of course Pablo Raimondi, and the guy who helped start this series, Ryan Sook. Now, I will say that I like Raimondi even more because HE MADE QUICKSILVER HOT!!:wow: Did you see how the front of his hair was at the sides of his face and not curved up in the air?(What the hell was with that, anyway?) And you get a plus with me if you have white hair (I love me some Storm.) That's all for now. :woot::o

[Generation Lee]

Okay, just finished reading 10-13, I don't need to comment on the writing as it was of course good. I completely trust PAD. But the art... I've never seen Renato Arlem's artwork before and I never want to to see again. It wasn't bad, but I HATED it. Everyone was ugly. Now, I've read the MADROX mini, so I've seen Pablo Raimondi's artwork... IT WAS LOVELY!!

(I'm sorry that I'm about to go completely gay on you guys, but I can't help it.:O:woot:) First, Any artist who makes Jamie sexy as hell is an "A" in my book, and only two people have done it so far. Of course Pablo Raimondi, and the guy who helped start this series, Ryan Sook. Now, I will say that I like Raimondi even more because HE MADE QUICKSILVER HOT!!:wow: Did you see how the front of his hair was at the sides of his face and not curved up in the air?(What the hell was with that, anyway?) And you get a plus with me if you have white hair (I love me some Storm.) That's all for now. :woot::o


Sorry to offend but I just laughed my ass off at you saying Quicksliver and Jamie were hot. Sorry its just I know people can draw hot characters but the story had me more focused on it not what each character looked like. :woot:

[Kevin]

No, it's okay. I got the story, but with a side of eye candy:woot: I'm silly, I know:O It's just that for me, If the art isn't working for me, the whole comic is pointless. Like how i'm starting to feel about "X-MEN".:(

[lilboo]

what are butterfly's powers?

[spark627]

Okay, just finished reading 10-13, I don't need to comment on the writing as it was of course good. I completely trust PAD. But the art... I've never seen Renato Arlem's artwork before and I never want to to see again. It wasn't bad, but I HATED it. Everyone was ugly. Now, I've read the MADROX mini, so I've seen Pablo Raimondi's artwork... IT WAS LOVELY!!

(I'm sorry that I'm about to go completely gay on you guys, but I can't help it.:O:woot:) First, Any artist who makes Jamie sexy as hell is an "A" in my book, and only two people have done it so far. Of course Pablo Raimondi, and the guy who helped start this series, Ryan Sook. Now, I will say that I like Raimondi even more because HE MADE QUICKSILVER HOT!!:wow: Did you see how the front of his hair was at the sides of his face and not curved up in the air?(What the hell was with that, anyway?) And you get a plus with me if you have white hair (I love me some Storm.) That's all for now. :woot::o

LOL I couldn't agree more, I think Jamie is so sexy.
He has a very charming personality and I think the fact that Eric Dane played him in X3 makes it easier to find him hot.

[Kevin]

:woot: see, someone agrees with me.

[Manic]

what are butterfly's powers?
Layla/Butterfly has the ability to see multiple futures. She can see the future as it will progress, and as she (or at least the mysterious benefactor she's working for) wants it to progress. She can also see how her actions can affect the future, and what steps she needs to take to cause something to happen.

For example, she knew a man was sneaking into X-Factor's office to kill Rictor, so she rigged the upstairs bathtub to flood before he got there. She then lured the killer downstairs into the kitchen, hopped up on the kitchen counter, and watched as the upstairs bath fell through the ceiling-- the water (combined with the electric lights on the first floor ceiling) fell on the guy, fried him, and killed him.

[Xplicit Content]

My picks for M would either be...

Lauren London from the movie ATL
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...or singer/actress Christina Milian
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http://www.zfm.ru/foto/Christina-Milian3.jpg

Click spoilers for pics.

[Specter313]

Cover to #17:

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[Specter313]

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X-Factor #14 will arrive in stores on Dec. 13 from Marvel Comics. The issue is written by Peter David, with art and cover by Pablo Raimondi.

Here's how Marvel describes the issue:

"Five words to strike fear into the hearts of spies and evildoers everywhere: Jamie Madrox, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. Except Madrox has decided that it's time to start gathering in the stray dupes that are still wandering around, the S.H.I.E.L.D. agent doesn't especially want to go...and S.H.I.E.L.D. isn't especially inclined to let him go."

X-Factor #14 will be 32 pages and will cost $2.99.


God I love this book.

[Kevin]

GO M!!!Can't wait for 14:woot:

[squeekness]

LOL, how many dupes before Monet gets the one she wants? :D

[Colossal Spoons]

Hehe, Monet is a trip. at least she understands the situation and isn't mad at Jamie. Theresa's not being very understanding.

[Kevin]

I'm starting to like her less and less. the f***ing stupid crazy "My Da is still alive" B****.

[AndThePickles]

Yeah, she is being annoying as heck. Your daddy is DEAD ho!

[Nature's Rising]

LOL I couldn't agree more, I think Jamie is so sexy.
He has a very charming personality and I think the fact that Eric Dane played him in X3 makes it easier to find him hot.
Really? You find Eric Dane hot? Lol. I never did.:D He dated Alyssa Milano. God, never understood his hotness. Julian McMahon however...:wow:

[Nature's Rising]

double post

[Darthphere]

Jamie is going to bruise....a lot.

[Manic]

I'm starting to like her less and less. the f***ing stupid crazy "My Da is still alive" B****.
The sad truth is that Terry's denial is borderline 4th-wall-breaking. She refuses to believe her dad is dead because she knows the X-Men have a long history of coming back from the dead. Remember how much everyone mourned when Colossus died? Oops! A few years later, and it turns out he never died. Storm? Same thing. Cyclops? Same. An entire team of X-Men (plus Maddy Pryor-Summers) all died live on television, and they were back among the living the next week.

Terry has reached the point where someone can tell her that her da, Banshee, died in battle, and she can play it off like "sure, whatever. He'll be back this time next year."

Even I think Banshee will come back.

[Nature's Rising]

Oh hell, he'll be back. I think Terry is really on bad denial but she has a point though. A lot of X-Men that dies, eventually gets resurrected. Look at Psylocke, and with new features to boot. He'll be back.

[CaptainCanada]

Theresa's not being very understanding.
Well, this is the second time this has happened.

[Darthphere]

I got a surprise for all of you.

[Darthphere]

X-Factor #87

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[The Watchman]

glorious :up:

[Kevin]

Who da man? Darth's da man. Go Darth!!

[Specter313]

http://images.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Mar07/XFACT017cov.jpg

X-FACTOR #17
Written by PETER DAVID
Pencils and Cover by PABLO RAIMONDI
Introducing the X-Mutant Attack Division--X-MAD--a group of former mutants convinced that M-Day was a result of a government plan to destroy mutants! And when this terrorist organization launches an assault on the government and then takes refuge in Mutant Town, X-Factor finds itself caught in the middle.
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99

[Specter313]

Spoiler for the next issue:



BI-MONTHLY
http://images.comicbookresources.com/litg/litg_gr.gifOkay, this is a bit of a spoiler, but worth it I think. This week's "X-Factor" has an official outing of one of the lead characters, Rictor, as a bisexual man. Handled, shall we say, much better than a certain Northstar. Get your copies before the shops sell out.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=13

[Manic]

It's about time they cleared that up. Looks like I can finally drop my "eunuch" theory.

[Kevin]

AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! i'm with this book now forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sad but true. i'm shady like that.

[Colossal Spoons]

^Oy, you act like the bi/homosexual population is in danger of being forgotten by comic writers lol.

[Darthphere]

AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! i'm with this book now forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sad but true. i'm shady like that.


You're so gay.:oldrazz:

[CaptainCanada]

The recap page for #14 deserves to be quoted at length:

What's Happened Up Until Now

First there was a Big Bang, which happened either by cosmic accident or divine providence, depending on who you're talking to. Fragments flew in all directions and eventually formed the galaxies and solar systems therein. The Earth cooled, life slunk out of the primordial ooze, moving from single-cell creatures to dinosaurs to chimps to humans. Who remain only about 4% different from chimps in their DNA. Then there were some wars and plagues and then Stan Lee and Jack Kirby created "The X-Men," which was cancelled but then revived, became a best seller and led to lots of spin-offs. And eventually the X-Men broke up but were later reunited as X-Factor, but then they stopped being X-Factor and a bunch of guys who no one was that interested in became X-Factor. It was eventually cancelled. But then Andy Schmidt got the bright idea to do a limited series based "Madrox," called in Peter David to write it and Pablo Raimondi to pencil it, and it sold real well and now here we all are.

In the aftermath of the blowout with Singularity Investigations, the individual members of X-Factor had a sit-down with psychiatrist Doc Samson. In the course of it, Madrox admitted to Doc that he'd been involved with both Monet and Siryn. Doc recommended being honest with both of them. It didn't go especially well.

Meanwhile, Guido deals with the aftermath of having, while under mind control, killed Dr. Henry Buchanan.

There was actually a lot more stuff than that, but really, we'd much rather that you just go out and buy the things.

[Kevin]

^^I try to be :oldrazz::woot:

[squeekness]

Spoiler for the next issue:



BI-MONTHLY
http://images.comicbookresources.com/litg/litg_gr.gifOkay, this is a bit of a spoiler, but worth it I think. This week's "X-Factor" has an official outing of one of the lead characters, Rictor, as a bisexual man. Handled, shall we say, much better than a certain Northstar. Get your copies before the shops sell out.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=13So? Rictor and Shatterstar? and I had thought that was only the stuff of fanfic writers. :D Kewl.

[Kevin]

So I read the issue and *sigh* "Sorry, honey, I was having an inner monologue." This is why I love this book. Now, let me tell you, I almost had a heart attack after Rictor said what he said about Quicksilver. This book and great:woot: Funny as hell.

[JewishHobbit]

As great as that scene was, I didn't see it as outing rictor as bi-sexual. He was goofing around about Quicksilver and Madrox was googing around about Shatterstar. I'm not against Rictor being bi-sexual, but I just don't think this issue really revealed it.

[Specter313]

As great as that scene was, I didn't see it as outing rictor as bi-sexual. He was goofing around about Quicksilver and Madrox was googing around about Shatterstar. I'm not against Rictor being bi-sexual, but I just don't think this issue really revealed it.

No, it was pretty clear:

Madrox: So... so it was a joke...

Rictor: Not that the guy/guy thing is, it's just that Pietro's semi-evil, and gimme a little credit, huh?

In other words, he wasn't kidding in the fact that he likes guys.

[squeekness]

That's what I got out of it too. :) Rictor was outed. Besides, I don't think the referrance to Rictor and Shatterstar was a fluke. I've seen comic clips that implied it as well, I had just thought someone who posted them was kidding around. Now I am not so sure.

[Silvermoth]

Sorry to break up the conversation but does anyone remember the X-factor team with Polaris, Havok, Multiple Man etc? Its just I've been wondering if the tpbs or essentials are worth buying for Christmas. What did you guys think of the series?

[squeekness]

I liked the issues where Sabretooth and Wildchild and Mystique were on the team, the issues right after AoA. :)

[chris moore]

Actually it suggests a little that Ric doesnt wanna make out that he's a homophobe or prejudiced - David probably just didnt finish the sentence in order to keep people talking

[Specter313]

Actually it suggests a little that Ric doesnt wanna make out that he's a homophobe or prejudiced - David probably just didnt finish the sentence in order to keep people talking

Huh? How the heck are you getting that? Jamie asks if he's joking and he responds immediately that the thing about him being with guy's isn't a joke. It's that he wouldn't make out with Pietro because he's evil.

[Kevin]

i would...:o

[Darthphere]

Actually it suggests a little that Ric doesnt wanna make out that he's a homophobe or prejudiced - David probably just didnt finish the sentence in order to keep people talking


Dude, he's bi, live with it.

[Kevin]

I'll post the pages up so everyone can judge...

[Kevin]

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[Kevin]

Should I try to make it bigger?

[Manic]

lol, that's freaking brilliant. "anyone in the first five rows is gonna get soaked."

[Xplicit Content]

I think it's obvious he outted himself also...I don't know of too many straight dudes who would joke about sleeping with another dude like Rictor did..."it's not like I'm sleeping with him...anymore." Add that to the parts about him saying he wasn't kidding about the guy/guy thing.

[chris moore]

Its the way he stopped mid sentence that makes me quesion whether he is bi or not; as if had he finished he would have said "its not that the guy/guy thing is wrong or anything, its just that pietro's semi evil so if I were into that, he wouldnt be my number one choice". you can see it either way - just depends on how much you ever bought into the him and shatterstar thing (touched on by madrox cos PAD knows full well about the insinuations in the fan community), and how much you look for gay heroes and heroines in comics because its becoming more widely accepted in the medium. These days its much more common to see a slightly more than offhandish male exchange as a subtle hint that one or the other bloke might be gay.

[Kevin]

Yeah, part of me is started to think a little bit of the main Jamie is bi. PAD keeps throwing in these jokes. I love that man.

[Specter313]

Its the way he stopped mid sentence that makes me quesion whether he is bi or not; as if had he finished he would have said "its not that the guy/guy thing is wrong or anything, its just that pietro's semi evil so if I were into that, he wouldnt be my number one choice". you can see it either way - just depends on how much you ever bought into the him and shatterstar thing (touched on by madrox cos PAD knows full well about the insinuations in the fan community), and how much you look for gay heroes and heroines in comics because its becoming more widely accepted in the medium. These days its much more common to see a slightly more than offhandish male exchange as a subtle hint that one or the other bloke might be gay.

Well, there's the problem. What makes you think that he stopped mid-sentence? It's much more clear that he just answered Jamie's question in a longer drawn out sentence. "Not that the guy/guy thing is (a joke), it's just Pietro is semi-evil, so give me a little credit (in who I would sleep with)."

[Manic]

Jamie: "So... so it was a joke..."
Julio: "'Course. Not that the guy/guy thing is..."

I don't see any other way to interpret that. I think it's pretty clear that Ric digs men.

[javon]

I didn't know Siyrn was in X-factor :huh:. Anybody got a scan of her using her powers please?

[JewishHobbit]

Jamie: "So... so it was a joke..."
Julio: "'Course. Not that the guy/guy thing is..."

I don't see any other way to interpret that. I think it's pretty clear that Ric digs men.


I'm with Chris on this one. To me it seems more like he didn't finish the sentance, leaving it up for debate. If he completed the sentance it should have had a period, not the three dots showing that the sentance was interupted.

[Specter313]

I'm with Chris on this one. To me it seems more like he didn't finish the sentance, leaving it up for debate. If he completed the sentance it should have had a period, not the three dots showing that the sentance was interupted.

Don't forget that he was wiping his face off during that sentence, which is why he "trailed off" more than once. You're not going to continue saying a sentence either when your mouth is covered. It was just PAD trying to give a realistic interpretation with how he'd be saying it at that time, nothing having to do with him being ashamed of his sexuality. Even if he did trail off, there's really nothing else you could have him say after that would make it seem like he's not admitting to liking guys.

[Darthphere]

I'm with Chris on this one. To me it seems more like he didn't finish the sentance, leaving it up for debate. If he completed the sentance it should have had a period, not the three dots showing that the sentance was interupted.


Dude, he likes dudes, accept it.

[Manic]

Comic book writers misuse ellipses all the time. There's a point where Jamie says "So... I notice Quicksilver's taken an interest in you lately." That should've been a comma. It doesn't mean Jamie cut himself off or that there was something else he wanted to say. It just means David doesn't have perfect grammar.

[Kevin]

Not really, I talk like that all the time. It just means your pausing before you conitinue.

EX: "Mom, Dad, I have somthing to tell you... This may be hard coming from me, your all american boy, getting all the girls... prefect life. But it's all a lie. Mom, Dad... I stole the cookie from the cookie jar."

[Manic]

Ellipses are used for pauses in casual writing, sure, but that's technically not the correct use for them. They're supposed to indicate an omission. Your example should look more like:

"Mom, Dad, I have something to tell you. This may be hard coming from me, your all american boy; getting all the girls, prefect life, but it's all a lie. Mom, Dad, I stole the cookie from the cookie jar."

That semicolon I added was most likely used incorrectly, but the phrasing you chose gave me little choice. I could've either turned that into one hell of a run-on sentence, or broken it up into sentence fragments.

But this is the internet, so we're allowed to get away with stuff like that. See? I just began a sentence with "but," and treated the word "see" as its own sentence, rather than connecting it to this one.

I believe Rictor wasn't omitting part of his sentence; he was indicating a pause. However, that's still bad grammar.

[Kevin]

OH, okay:up:

[chris moore]

We should probably move away from thsi topic before the only chat about the entire issue becomes Ric's sexuality.

But what's interesting is that most are adamant that there is no other interpretation of the broken sentence, that he must be gay or at least bi. I'm willing to say it could go either way (as possibly, could Ric), but there are those who refuse to consider the possibility that the sentence is meant to leave his preferences in question...

Its not like there's irrefutable evidence one way or the other people

[Kevin]

Layla Miller is F***ing awesome. She was gonna kick some ass, and erase some names. She's the new Killa Nilla... :huh: Sorry, don't know where that came from.

[squeekness]

LOL, I liked this whole issue, not just Ric's admission. I loved how Money kept smacking Jamie against the wall, trying to get the right dupe to come out. :D

[mightiest_mortal]

Thought it was a great issue.
Tho it was an admission from Ric that he was Bi, it seemed like an admition that nothing actually happened with Shatterstar, just because of quite how taken aback he was by Jamies statement.

very funny issue though, cant wait for next.

[Darthphere]

We should probably move away from thsi topic before the only chat about the entire issue becomes Ric's sexuality.

But what's interesting is that most are adamant that there is no other interpretation of the broken sentence, that he must be gay or at least bi. I'm willing to say it could go either way (as possibly, could Ric), but there are those who refuse to consider the possibility that the sentence is meant to leave his preferences in question...

Its not like there's irrefutable evidence one way or the other people


He's bi, live with it.

[Generation Lee]

Loved the issue the line from M about Lyla sending her and terri to the cornfield was priceless as was jamie calling her super ex-girlfriend. But the conversation between Jamie and rictor wasso funny I'd say PAD was just playing with everything that has been sayed about Ric eg he's gay, bi or straight and mixed it up with a very funny conversation between 2 friends.

[squeekness]

Has Rictor ever had a girlfriend? Just curious.

[chris moore]

Briefly dated Rhane while part of the new mutants

[JewishHobbit]

Rictor's never given off any sort of gay vibe for me. Shatterstar I could see, but I never really got the vibe back from Rictor. He dated Rahne back in New Mutants and I kinda remember him flirting with Siryn and Feral back in X-Force's early days too. Oh well.

But yeah, the whole issue was great. I'm liking the book more and more each issue, and now that we have a decent artist on the title I'm loving it.

[Darthphere]

Rictor's never given off any sort of gay vibe for me. Shatterstar I could see, but I never really got the vibe back from Rictor. He dated Rahne back in New Mutants and I kinda remember him flirting with Siryn and Feral back in X-Force's early days too. Oh well.

But yeah, the whole issue was great. I'm liking the book more and more each issue, and now that we have a decent artist on the title I'm loving it.


Thats because hes not gay, he's bi-sexual.:o :whatever:

[Kevin]

:rolleyes:

[chris moore]

Man - Darth really wants him to be bi. No wavering on that one.

Y'know, seems a little weird Jamie sending a dupe off to SHIELD. I wouldnt trust em not to force my dupe to make more dupes for battle situations. Fury wouldnt make him do it - but Hill? She'd have no qualms

[Colossal Spoons]

Didn't think the dupes could make more dupes.

[Manic]

Didn't think the dupes could make more dupes.
Of course. It's what makes Jamie so deadly.

[squeekness]

Briefly dated Rhane while part of the new mutantsFor a Catholic girl, she sure gets around. Didn't she have something going on with Elixer, too?

[Kevin]

yupsers

[Darthphere]

Man - Darth really wants him to be bi. No wavering on that one.

Y'know, seems a little weird Jamie sending a dupe off to SHIELD. I wouldnt trust em not to force my dupe to make more dupes for battle situations. Fury wouldnt make him do it - but Hill? She'd have no qualms


Correction: I don't really want him to be bi, he is already bi.

[chris moore]

Oookay...

[Darthphere]

I'm glad you agree.