Official X-FACTOR Discussion Thread

[Kevin]

When is the next issue coming out?

[Darthphere]

Soon my gay friend, soon.

[Kevin]

Hey, hey, hey! What the hell did I do to you?:mad:

[Darthphere]

You showed me love, then you took it away.

[Kevin]

You showed me love, then you took it away.
:huh: I could continue this to the pont that it's creppy, you know?

[Darthphere]

I know I know, do you know I know you know that I know you know?

[Kevin]

You know, I don't even know.:confused:

[Colossal Spoons]

I don't know

[Specter313]

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X-FACTOR #18
Written by PETER DAVID
Penciled by KHOI PHAM
Cover by PABLO RAIMONDI
With Mutant Town under siege and the X-Cell having taken refuge there, X-Factor races both the clock and their own divided allegiances as they try to stave off the very real possibility of every former mutant being rounded up and imprisoned as a potential terrorist. But will they have to reveal their knowledge of M-Day's secret...and, if so, what will the fallout be?
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99

[Colossal Spoons]

X-Factor solicits never excite me but the issues end up rockin my socks off!


Thanks for all the solicits Spec :up:

[The Watchman]

I wish I could swim in a lake of X-factor.

but my dream won't ever be a reality. :(

[Darthphere]

I wish i could have an orgy with the cast of X-Factor.

[AndThePickles]

I wish I could swim in an orgy of X-Factor.

[Kevin]

....I, um.... like this book... you bunch of freaks....

[Specter313]

....I, um.... like this book... you bunch of freaks....

Pot. Kettle. Black. :p

And to answer an earlier question of yours, the next issue comes out next week.

[Kevin]

Thank you, Spec.

[Darthphere]

Pot. Kettle. Black. :p

And to answer an earlier question of yours, the next issue comes out next week.

You called him black.:wow:

[Specter313]

You called him black.:wow:

Shut it, Omarosa. :o

[Manic]

Oh no he di'n't!
*triple snap, neck roll, swing of the ass*

[jackmanx2]

http://images.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Aprl07/cvrs/XFACT018cov.jpg


X-FACTOR #18
Written by PETER DAVID
Penciled by KHOI PHAM
Cover by PABLO RAIMONDI
With Mutant Town under siege and the X-Cell having taken refuge there, X-Factor races both the clock and their own divided allegiances as they try to stave off the very real possibility of every former mutant being rounded up and imprisoned as a potential terrorist. But will they have to reveal their knowledge of M-Day's secret...and, if so, what will the fallout be?
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99



wasn't ther suppose to be a gay dupe? he should hook up with Ric!:oldrazz:

[Specter313]

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X-Factor #15 will arrive in stores on Jan. 24 from Marvel Comics. The issue is written by Peter David, with art and cover by Pablo Raimondi.


"Having a hard time accepting the idea of Jamie Madrox, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D.? Well, that's nothing compared to what's going to happen when Jamie is captured by S.H.I.E.L.D.'s foremost opponents and is transformed into Jamie Madrox...Agent of Hydra! Plus...Siryn and Monet decide to go shopping and have a grand Mall seizure!"

X-Factor #15 will be 32 pages and will cost $2.99.

[Kevin]

Cannot wait.

[mightiest_mortal]

Another month, another DAMN FINE (if not slightly creepy) issue of X-Factor.
Man, this series never misses. How can PAD keep making Madrox more and more interesting.

[Specter313]

I always like how PAD can blend humor and darker stories, like the torching of the ex mutants and Madrox's torture.

And I loved Monet's "political statement".

[Kevin]

Did... Monet.... kill that guy? Jamie didn't feel anything?? Have you guys noticed this: Everyone on this team, in this book, but Siryn has killed someone?:eek:



















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Awesome.:cool:

[Darthphere]

This book cant get any better. I hope it does.

[Manic]

Did... Monet.... kill that guy? Jamie didn't feel anything?? Have you guys noticed this: Everyone on this team, in this book, but Siryn has killed someone?:eek:


...


Awesome.:cool:
We're not playing by Charlie's rules, anymore. This is an era of necessary roughness.

[Darthphere]

And necessary hotness.

[Nature's Rising]

Wow, and Pablo Raimondi is so climbing my fave artist list

[mightiest_mortal]

Now at first I thought Jamies reaction was some freak accident from the mind control, but on rereading im not sure how much control Jamie has over his mind and if he used the mental torture to trick his body in to producing more dupes.
One of the most twisted massacres ive seen in comics for a long time. I wonder how many of his Dupes have killed before then to lead to his lack of care.
(and wonder if that Girls parents will be seeking revenge in the near future)

[Specter313]

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X-FACTOR #19
Written by PETER DAVID
Penciled by KHOI PHAM
Cover by ANDREA DI VITO
X-Factor is trapped in the middle: On the one side, the population of Ex-Mutant Town is in danger of boiling over as the X-Cell, apparently re-empowered by Pietro, endeavor to rally the rank and file against X-Factor. On the other side, the government, ready to move in with everything from armies to Sentinels. Will Madrox decide to tell the truth behind M-Day...and will anyone believe him?
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99

[Darthphere]

Disappointing, no Raimondi art or cover, still sounds great.

[Kevin]

The cover artist got the outfits wrong.:o

[gothicFLAVOURS]

Maybe they just changed them. I like the cover. Monet and Syrin look great

[Darthphere]

Maybe they just changed them. I like the cover. Monet and Syrin look great

Those are their old costumes.

[gothicFLAVOURS]

Oh ok, I just thought Monet's was different

[Manic]

Where's my wonderful Raimondi?

[Havok83]

I hate that Rahne is drawn like a damn Hollywood werewolf in this series. I much preferred her lupine phase from her X-factor and Excalibur days

[Colossal Spoons]

I hope Rictor goes through with the power restoration...and that Pietro learns to do it properly.

[Specter313]

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X-Factor #16 will arrive in stores on Feb. 28 from Marvel Comics. The issue is written by Peter David, with art and cover by Pablo Raimondi.

Here's how Marvel describes the issue:

"James Maddocks: A good man. A family man. A man of God, who opens the door in his Minnesota home one day to discover himself face-to-face with his 'maker' -- Jamie Madrox, the Multiple Man, come to remove the runaway dupe from the home and life he's created for himself. How far will Maddocks go to save his existence...and will Jamie be willing to destroy Maddocks' life in order to be whole once more?"

X-Factor #16 will be 32 pages and will cost $2.99.

[Kevin]

:csad: I need this book soooo bad.:(

[squeekness]

Me, too. *wishes it was bi-weekly* :D

[Silvermoth]

O no! Hes a father! Hows he going to take the other Jamie Madrox back now. I know X-factor tends to be more morally questionable than other titles but would Jamie do that?

[mightiest_mortal]

Oh. my. god.

Talk about Moral Dilemma. Didn't realise Madrox could get even more complex.

[Kevin]

One of my favorite characters EVER. Not bad to look at either.

[squeekness]

Yeah, I am really loving him myself now that I am getting to know him better. :)

[Specter313]

http://livewireworld.net/livewirereview/interviews.htm

[Havok83]

Why didnt Marvel just launch this book as a Madrox ongoing? This is barely an ensemble cast

[squeekness]

Just because they are dealing with Madrox now, doesn't mean they always will have him in the spotlight. :)

[Kevin]

http://livewireworld.net/livewirereview/interviews.htm
I can't wait for part 2. I wanna be PAD. He's better than Slott... ... ...:huh: ... ... Ok, I'll stick with that.

[The Watchman]

I love this title more than shemales, David is always on top of his game, I love it and I know one day it'll be cancelled and I'll have to kill myself...:(

[Kevin]

I love this title more than shemales. Hell, I love STD's more than shemales, but that beside the point. I'm more afraid of PAD leaving the book more than it ending., which popped into my mind while reading that interview for some reason. Both would really suck.:csad:

[Colossal Spoons]

Why didnt Marvel just launch this book as a Madrox ongoing? This is barely an ensemble cast

My only complaint. Other than that, this book is friggin awesome.

[Havok83]

Just because they are dealing with Madrox now, doesn't mean they always will have him in the spotlight. :)
Im taking the smile means your joking right

[Kevin]

Honestly, it is his book. Even though it is a team book, it'd next to barely work without him.

[squeekness]

Well they did have that one issue where Syryn got kidnapped by the crazy guy in the movie theater, right? It wasn't all Jamie in that one. :p

[Kevin]

No, but it also wasn't apart of what the book is about. Partly, yes, but not mainly.

[squeekness]

I really do think that this is a team book and the other folks will get their spotlight, just not right now. I mean right now X-men is the Rogue show, but it won't always be. :)

[Kevin]

This is totoaly a team book, but in the long run, the place this story is going, do we really think it would work without Jamie.

[Havok83]

I really do think that this is a team book and the other folks will get their spotlight, just not right now. I mean right now X-men is the Rogue show, but it won't always be. :)
This book is a spinoff off of the Madrox mini and it feels just like it. About 16 issues and its still all about Jamie. The rest are nothing more than his supporting cast

This is totoaly a team book, but in the long run, the place this story is going, do we really think it would work without Jamie.Thats the thing. You could take out any or all of the rest of the "team" and pretty much still tell the story. They are written as such and aren't necessary at all.

[Kevin]

Do you not like the book?:csad:

[littleredhat]

Why didnt Marvel just launch this book as a Madrox ongoing? This is barely an ensemble cast


Because a Madrox ongoing wouldn't sell as well as a new X-Factor book.

As far as I'm concerned Jamie is the star and all the others are mostly for suport.

[Darthphere]

Whoever says this isn't a team book is a dumbass, I mean, didnt we spend half of last issue dealing with Siryn and M in Paris? Really, one character is always going to stand out, thats impossible not to. But this is still a team book through and through.

[Kevin]

Exactly.

[Darthphere]

I mean, AXM is still a team book right? But most of the focus has been on Kitty since the beginning.

[Kevin]

I really can't tell with AXM. I always felt they got equal time.:huh:

[Manic]

I don't care if this is a team book or just "Madrox & Company." All I know is I love it.

[Havok83]

Do you not like the book?:csad:
I feel its overated but I still like and read it. Im just sick of Madrox front and center with the rest barely getting any scraps. It feels like the focus is 75% on him with the remaining 25% divided among the other 6 characters

I really can't tell with AXM. I always felt they got equal time.yeah I never felt that Kitty's time was overwhelming compared to the rest.

Really, one character is always going to stand out, thats impossible not to. But this is still a team book through and through.Ive been reading comics (95% team books) for years and no its not impossible to write for a team without having only 1 character standout. The only close example to what PAD is doing with Madrox here in recent history is Carey with Rogue on X-men, but its still early in his run so I can look past it. I hated when Claremont did it with Psylocke during his last stint on UXM

[Kevin]

YOu mean the recent run? Please... don't mention that here. *shudder*

[Specter313]

Swamped with a line of fans at this year’s New York Comic Con, writer Peter David held court in Artists Alley Saturday. Wizard Universe managed to get some time at the table with the writer of The Dark Tower: Gunslinger Born and X-Factor to ask some quick questions about the X-crew whose adventures he authors and his favorite Stephen King book.

WIZARD: Now that Civil War is over, what major changes can we expect to see in X-Factor?

PETER DAVID: We have an interesting storyline - we’re continuing Jamie’s search for his other dupes. He is literally trying to pull himself together. After that, we’re doing a storyline involving a group of former mutants who have become convinced that the government is responsible for M-day.

How’d you come up with that?

DAVID: In my mind, it came out of the belief that a number of people held years ago about AIDs – that it was actually developed in a government lab and escaped. So I thought it would be fantastic to have people in the Marvel Universe believe, especially considering the events of Registration Act, that M-day was a governmental strike against people with natural-born superpowers. They start taking the U.S. government in a terrorist manner and want to convince the U.S. government to go public with their plan. Of course, X-Factor knows the reason and they’re caught in the middle.

Are there any familiar faces showing up in the near future?

DAVID: One guy that I will mention is Callisto - and there will be a number of others in there as well.

You appeared with Stephen King on a panel today to discuss Dark Tower: Gunslinger Born - what’s your favorite book by him?

DAVID: Probably Misery, but that’s because I’m a writer. [Laughs]

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/003635341.cfm

[squeekness]

*hopes no one kidnaps Peter David and breaks his legs* :p

[Specter313]

LWW: One of the things I loved about your previous run on X-Factor was your handling of Quicksilver and the way you explained his impatience as being the result of his living his life at superspeed …
PD: I got so much positive reaction to that. People wrote in and said that they had hated Quicksilver for thirty years and in a three-page sequence they all of a sudden completely understood him. Everyone wrote in and talked about being stood behind someone trying to use a cash machine; curiously no-one wrote in and copped to being the person who doesn't know how to use a cash machine, which I found kinda interesting … go figure that.
Quicksilver's in a completely different situation now. What can we expect to see from him in future issues of X-Factor ?
Oh, yeah, he's going to be a major player in an upcoming story that I'm doing. I'm almost playing him like he's the Hannibal Lector of the story. He always … he's really almost the anti-thesis of Layla, which is why they are each others respective nemesis', because he has plenty of time to think and to plan and you never quite know where he's coming from, which is probably the reason he and Layla play off each other, because they are so similar, and thus despise each other.
The core X-books are all approaching a time of change, especially to their rosters. Can we expect any change to X-Factor's line-up, any new faces?
There will be some new faces in the book, to remain consistent to the title thus far, we will have at least one new face who I will absolutely guarantee you is a B if not a C-list character. God forbid we want to have anyone who people are actually interested in reading about.
I don't suppose you're able to tell me who that's going to be?
Able to? Of course I'm able to!
Willing?
I'm not going to.
Point taken, I'm sorry.
No, no, it's fine. I love grammar. Do you watch that TV series Extras with Ricky Gervais? Did you see the one with Daniel Radcliffe? … There's a sequence where he's sitting in a restaurant with Ricky Gervais and he pulls out a condom, unwrapped … and he stretches it … and he snaps it and it fires out of his hand and he turns around and the angle round reveals Diana Rigg on the next booth with the condom on her head and he says “Can I have my johnny back?” and she says “ May I have my johnny back” …
Thinking of Deadpool's history with Siryn, would you like to use him in X-Factor ?
Initially I wasn't that interested in it but because so many people have asked about it and because of his history with Siryn I am actually toying with the idea of bringing him in, not as any kind of regular character but maybe as a guest-star for an issue or two.
But Shatterstar won't be coming in any time soon. People keep asking about Shatterstar, guys, he really doesn't fit in with … the guy with big pigsticker on his back just doesn't fit with what we're doing here. No plans for Shatterstar.
Is the Monet/Siryn/Madrox's dupes love triangle over as a sub-plot?
Oh no, we're going to see more developments.
You're not letting him off the hook that easy?
Oh no. No no no, we're going to have some serious developments as a result.
There's the big X-book crossover coming down the line, which is the second crossover to hit X-Factor in it's first 20-24 issues. Do you find these stories help or hinder your writing of X-Factor ?
Kind of both. The fortunate thing is that I have enough time, enough warning that I'm able to make things mesh seamlessly, as opposed to the old days where it would be ‘okay, next month we're going to be doing a crossover' and I would be caught flat-footed because I would have storylines under way and things progressing and all of a sudden I'd have to backburner everything I was doing for three months because it's a crossover. Most of the stuff that's happened thus far has been events occurring in the Marvel Universe which impact on X-Factor , and I've had total freedom to decide how these things are going to affect our characters and to plant seeds for future stories. For instance, if it weren't for the Civil War and Registration Act I wouldn't have had the opportunities to so easily introduce Jamie Madrox, Agent of SHIELD, which then led in to the two-parter that I'm doing in #14 and 15.
There are a number of great personal connections between your X-Factor cast and characters that are on the other X-teams. Will you have the opportunity to play with some of those, such as Wolfsbane and Mystique, M and Emma Frost, Siryn and Cable …
That's gonna really rear it's head in the upcoming crossover. I like the Wolfsbane and Mystique thing but but there's nothing I'm wildly anticipating. I'm much more interested in the character interaction that I've introduced in to X-Factor and that we're exploring there. I like the idea of having X-Factor fairly self-contained when it comes to character interaction. I'm not a big fan of bringing in all kinds of character interaction from all kinds of other books and dragging it all over the place, I like to remain focused wherever possible; plus some of these interactions are so tangled through years of twisted continuity that sometimes it's better to stay away from it.
Do you find Mystique's denial that she murdered [Wolfsbane's foster Mother and long-time X-ally] Moira believable? Do you think she has plausible deniability?
I think it's the age-old tradition of a writer saying I think that's stupid, I think that's out of character, that doesn't fit with my plans, and so they brush off what another writer did, and if you've been in this industry long enough you've pretty much learned to take that sort of thing in your stride, unless you're John Byrne and you take it unbelievably personally and nurse grudges about it forever; but other than that it's pretty much SOP.
What's your perspective on it, do you see Mystique as Moira's killer?
I really don't have any opinion on it whatsoever, it's something I've given absolutely no thought to. The important thing is that Wolfsbane thinks of Mystique as Moira's killer.
There's been mention that you'll be writing about a group of depowered mutants …
The X-Cell. I called them something else and then didn't like what I came up with so I ended up calling them the X-Cell.
What's their motivation for coming together?
It goes back to what we were talking about in terms of things having real world roots. The concept stems from … when AIDS first started up, when AIDS reared its ugly head, there was a theory, a conspiracy theory floating about, that AIDS was in fact a virus that was being developed to kill the enemy or kill gays or whatever and that this was actually something that the government was behind and I thought wouldn't it be interesting if the same sort of logic was applied to M-Day. Remember, people don't know, generally, why this happened, and in the absence of real knowledge fake knowledge starts cropping up and I thought it would be interesting to have a group of former mutants convinced that M-Day was a result of some sort of secret government plan of secret government weapon which, if you think about it – particularly when you consider subsequent events involving the Super Hero Registration Act seems to form part of a pattern, that the government is endeavouring to crack down on all beings who have super powers – so I figured that Civil War and the Registration Act would only act to the mentality, to the conspiracy theory belief that the government was behind the events of M-day.
The logic of the X-Cell is simple: if the government was capable of taking away their powers then the government is equally capable of restoring their powers and so they embark on a terrorist campaign against the government to try and convince the government to go public with the fact that they removed the mutant powers and that they will pledge to restore them. To my mind it flows from two aspects of the real world, AIDS and terrorism. On that basis I felt this concept would have some real world relevance. I like the idea of messing with people's heads by coming up with a group of terrorists whose motivations are 100% understandable, and you feel for them, you feel for their frustration and for what they're going through, and of course the irony is that you know their concerns are wrong-headed.
What familiar faces can we look forward to seeing as part of the X-Cell?
I don't know if I want to say, because I don't want to give away … I will say that one of the members is Callisto.
Oh, wow!
Yea, I figured that would make you happy.
Given your understandable hesitation in releasing the names of X-Cell members right now, how has the proliferation of information, speculation etc. across the internet affected the way that you write?
I don't think it's affected the way that I write but it's certainly affected the way I release information. It's unbelievably frustrating because … surprise is probably the strongest tool in the writer's toolbox and the internet is almost designed, it seems, to destroy that element of surprise. Instead word gets out way before it should, and not only are surprises and major storey points blown but a lot of what you do … the way that it comes across stems entirely from it's execution and I can tell you that it is incredibly frustrating as a writer to see some semi-literate schmuck describe the upcoming event sin a book in about as inane and inept a way as could possibly be described and then conclude with ‘wow that really sucks' and the next thing you know everyone is sitting in judgement on this book that won't even be on the stands for two months, or even a few weeks, and it becomes frustrating because … if someone reads a story of mine and they don't like the story, okay, fine, you know what? You can't make everybody happy all the time. That's impossible. I don't mind people rendering judgement on a story they've read. I mind it when they render judgement based upon an incredibly inept, badly written summary. That is incredibly frustrating.
And even a plot summary itself tells you so little about how it's actually done – there are any number of movies about serial killers or summer romances that on paper can sound so ‘oh, we've seen it before, there's nothing new about that' but the execution can make a common idea blindingly good.
Look at Raiders of the Lost Arc : on paper it's a story about an archaeologist who has some sort of illicit affair with a woman when she was underage, everything he ever gets his hands on he loses, the story climaxes with a bluff that doesn't work and he gets tied to a stake, helpless, and God saves his ass. That doesn't sound particularly compelling – but is anyone going to deny that Raiders of the Lost Arc is one of the most compelling, great movies? No, but not based on what could have been on the internet.
Another example that I've used is … cast your mind back, do you remember Amazing Spider-Man #100?
<pause while Ian racks his brain!> No.
Were you reading comic books at that time?
I wasn't, no, sorry
At the end of Amazing …
Ohhh!
Now you remember it?
This is the issue with the extra arms, yes!
He grows four additional arms in an endeavour to try and cure himself of his Spider-powers. It winds up backfiring and he grows four extra arms. Now, I read this book, and I was 13 or 14, and my reaction when it got to the end was “He's grown four extra arms, what's going to happen now?!” I couldn't wait for the next issue. If you do that story now and I'm a 13 year old kid and I'm on the internet, the first thing is I wind up reading about it ahead of time and I spend the next few months seeing older fans saying ‘it's the most stupid idea ever, it's bad, it's ridiculous. How could he possibly get the additional muscle mass to grow four extra arms from a formula that he drank? Marvel is out of ideas, it will never last, it will last for an issue or two at most, it's idiotic, Stan Lee has completely lost his mind' and on and on and on, negative negative negative, to the point at which by the time the book came out I probably wouldn't even read it, I'd have stopped reading Spider-Man by that time. I would have been convinced by all the older fans that this was completely moronic.
Now, point of fact, it was completely moronic, make no bones about it. I can tell you that at age 50 if I read that I'd be ‘you gotta be kidding me, come on” but back then comic books were aimed at 13 year olds and I was the target audience for that development and as a result it hit me exactly the way it was supposed to and as the writers had intended. Nowadays the writers intent becomes lost in the incredible drive to not only spread the word about stuff that's coming out but render judgement upon it, be the first person to state an opinion, even though your opinion is completely and utterly worthless and as a writer I find that an anathema to entertainment. I don't call them spoilers, I call them ruiners. It's one thing if a television show, for instance, has already aired and you want to discuss the television show, and you want to discuss the show so you post ‘okay, I'm going to be discussing specifics of the show so spoilers are here, in case you haven't seen it. That's one thing, it's very different from what I call ruiners, which are postings that come out before the product has even hit the stands, that are designed not for the purpose of critical commentary but are posted purely for the purpose of blowing the end of the story. I see absolutely no point in it and it's just … to my mind it's a despicable practice.
Thinking of Indiana Jones, if licensing rights weren't an issue and you could insert any character from pop culture into X-Factor for an issue, what kind of characters would you like to use in that way?
Oh, Doc Savage, I like Doc Savage. I have no idea how given the timeframe is considerably wrong, but Doc Savage … and maybe The Shadow would be cool, one of those pulp characters.
I don't mean to be rude but are we almost done, because I have to work and we've been talking for an hour
I understand. If I can wrap up with just a couple of quick questions then.
Okay.
Dark Tower: The Gunslinger. The title sounds like it's an origin story for the character, is it? If I've never read any Stephen King, if I've never read any Dark Tower, will that hurt my enjoyment of it?
Yes. Stephen King has said himself that in comic book terms this would be considered the origin. It is very carefully designed to be as accessible as humanly possible, so not in the least.
They've just announced that there's going to be a World War Hulk/X-Men mini in the offing. What team of current X-characters would you select if you were sending them off to fight the Hulk and try to control him?
It would depend on which characters I wanted to kill off, so I don't think I'm going to answer on that basis. If I was going to send anybody up against the Hulk … let's see … Monet has telekinesis, right? I would probably send in Monet if for no other reason than I'd pull the same stunt Marvel Girl did, which is to use her power to telekinetically slaw the Hulk's eyelids shut so that you can then come at him from all different directions and he can't see anything.
What character that you haven't yet written would you love to have the chance to write?
I really like Thor at this point, I used him in a couple of issues of Captain Marvel and found that I really liked the character a lot more than I thought.
If I could just end with a little quick-fire word association:
Hulk – The strongest one there is
Supergirl – Cancelled. No, can I revise that to Fallen Angel ?
Monet – the ***** is back
Wolfsbane – sweet
Colossus – Colossus? Sure, Colossus. Big
With Supergirl – is that something you were definitely looking to do with Fallen Angel when it was a DC book? Were the rumours right about that?
All I'm going to say is that anyone who's a fan of my work on Supergirl should read Fallen Angel numbers #14-16

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[squeekness]

Eh, not a big Callisto fan, especially after her arms got all octopussy like.

[usagicassidy]

Question....when do the Paperbacks of Vol 1 and Vol 2 come out? On Amazon.com they have Vol 1 'coming' out January 30, and 2 'coming' on February 7.

Both of those days have already passed, but these two titles are still on the website as "pre-order." The Premiere Hardcovers are available, but why spend an extra unnecessary $10?

[Generation Lee]

Eh, not a big Callisto fan, especially after her arms got all octopussy like.


Arms are back to normal now she's no longer a muatant.

The book keeps getting better and better by the month I'm so getting the earlier X-Factor in paperback. I know they are different books but seriously PAD really knows how to write. The art is fantastic. Dialogue, plot everything. :yay:

[Darthphere]

This issue was simply beautiful.

[cerealkiller182]

Was that girl they took a mutant?

And who do you think was the guy in the hood? Im leading toward Gambit.

[squeekness]

I was wondering myself if that was Gambit, but there are lots of guys with glowy eyes. Could be Sinister.

And yeah, I am thinking that girl was amutant or at least used to be. Maybe Quicksilver will jumpstart her. I thought it was mentioned he would still be around.

[Darthphere]

Would Gambit have the power to teleport a squad of cop cars away?

[squeekness]

Nope, you do have a point there. I would like it to be Gambit but it won't be simply because Gambit had been dumped to even below C list status so there's no reson for him to be used here. :( It must be someone else.

[Darthphere]

Its either Sinister or some new villain. PAD seems to like to create new baddies.

[squeekness]

I don't mind. I thought that his whole Singular thing was pretty interesting. :D

[Kevin]

Pastor John was cute. Anyway, Jamie is a better person than me because I probably wouldn't have been that nice.

[Nature's Rising]

God, Jamie's hot.

[Kevin]

God, Jamie's hot.
I love it when we people can agree. Oh and his son was adorable.

[cerealkiller182]

Would Gambit have the power to teleport a squad of cop cars away?

Who knows what he can do after Apoc pumped him up? I mean the gas stuff seemed like a downgrade from the kinetic charging.

[Specter313]

Was that girl they took a mutant?

And who do you think was the guy in the hood? Im leading toward Gambit.

It's gotta be Sinister. One, the glowing red eyes. Two, the gloves he was wearing resemble the kind of gloves he's always worn.

[squeekness]

Yeah, this could be where they set up his coming around to start trouble. I think it's Sinister, too.

[Darthphere]

Am I the only that thinks Siryn looks just like Jessica Biel in some panels? Face wise.

[Colossal Spoons]

Damn awesome issue. Jamie letting his dupe go kinda makes his whole mission to "complete" himself pointless now right?

[chris moore]

Could it not be Emplate? I mean it was someone helping Monet and Theresa. Emplate could teleport to that dimension - maybe he can teleport any number of things to it.

[Darthphere]

COuld be, but he didnt give me Emplate vibes, I mean Emplate is pretty damn ugly.

[cerealkiller182]

Damn awesome issue. Jamie letting his dupe go kinda makes his whole mission to "complete" himself pointless now right?

The idea to complete himself was more of a soul searching, subconscious-level personal completion. He is getting closure for all the dupes he sent out on fact finding missions. By allowing this dupe who had a full-fledged life, he got his closure, so his mission to be complete is not over yet, in fact, the Preacher John incident should be put in the win column even though he didnt reabsorb him.

[LadyVader]

What I liked best about this issue was that Jamie regained some of his humanity by letting his dupe live, ironically as hell since without his dupes he isn't whole. Just like Darthphere said, that was beautiful. :)

[mightiest_mortal]

So, any one else wondering if we'l see Clay again in this series?

[Darthphere]

I'm wondering where the hell Rictor, Wolfsbane and Strong Guy are.

[Manic]

3 words: Orgy. With. Quicksilver.

[Kevin]

Niiice

[Specter313]

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X-Factor #17 will arrive in stores on March 21 from Marvel Comics. The issue is written by Peter David, with art and cover by Pablo Raimondi.

Here's how Marvel describes the issue:

"Introducing the X-Mutant Attack Division--X-MAD--a group of former mutants convinced that M-Day was a result of a government plan to destroy mutants! And when this terrorist organization launches an assault on the government and then takes refuge in Mutant Town, X-Factor finds itself caught in the middle."

X-Factor #17 will be 32 pages and will cost $2.99.

[hippy fascist]

jesus, that art's ugly as ****! :(

[Kevin]

You seem to be everywhere lately, HF. I don't know whether to feel safe or scared.:csad:

[Darthphere]

Um yeah, thats not Raimondi, at all.

[hippy fascist]

Um yeah, thats not Raimondi, at all.

whoever it is it's ****ing awful :csad:

[Darthphere]

Its some fool named Pham.

[hippy fascist]

it's marvel, every time they produce a challenging book with something to say, any kind of sales hike results in marvel blanding the book out beyond all recognition or simply ****ing it over on art (as is the case here)

:(

[Specter313]

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X-FACTOR #20
Written by PETER DAVID
Pencils and Cover by KHOI PHAM
X-Factor deals with the fallout of the X-Cell explosion!
X-Factor reels as they try and piece their lives back together as new relationships are forged and old ones crumble apart. Don't miss this turning point issue!
32 PGS./Rated T+ ...$2.99

[Manic]

Raimondi, damnit!

[Havok83]

Its either Sinister or some new villain. PAD seems to like to create new baddies.
Finally read the issue and I think its Sinister. I think that was set up for Endangered Species

[Specter313]

"Does it involve saving a cheerleader?"

PAD writes some of the best one liners.

[Mike059jig]

"Does it involve saving a cheerleader?"

PAD writes some of the best one liners.
Very Amusing issue....... to add

Layla and Jamie phone call

Rictor and Rahne Conversation

Guido and Layla ice cream conversation....

[spark627]

Great issue, PADs writing was really wonderful. Is it bad that I have a crush on Jamie...? ;)

[Kevin]

No, 'cause we all have a crush on Jamie.:heart:

[Colossal Spoons]

I only have a crush on Allan Heinberg :o

[Kevin]

:eek: But Heinberg has teh ghey! Ah, in all honesty, Allan's pretty meh. Good meh, but meh overall.

[Colossal Spoons]

I just want him to start writing YA gain :(

[Kevin]

We all do, but I'm actually not looking foward to it as so much has happened since it's last issue.

[Colossal Spoons]

Sure, I say that now. But I'll be speeding the whole way to the comic store the day the next issue comes out.

[Kevin]

Mee too.:csad: It's sad really, what I'd do just to see some fictional boys.:(

[gothicFLAVOURS]

I loved this last issue and the part about saving the cheerleader was great lol. Let's see what PAD has in store for Madrox. I missed Monet in this issue, but we had two issues with her so I'm not complaining

[anyjus]

I wish Val Copper would sodd off for a bit. I can't wait for the various X-Men teams to tell O.N.E. to take a hike. The government is WAY to involved.

[Colossal Spoons]

Heh, they sure as heck weren't this involved/interested after Genosha :o

[Generation Lee]

Great issue crap art.

[squeekness]

Now se, I liked the art myself. It thought it was very good compared to other things, like Ramos on Runaways. I also liked the line about the cheerleader, but I do admit I wouldn't have gotten the joke if I didn't watch Heroes.

[Darthphere]

Raimondi better come back.

[Havok83]

I know Im late but just read the last issue and have to say I love the Heroes reference

[Harlekin]

X-Factor is definitely one of the books I look forward to the most every month. I will say that the art from last issue was a little meh, and I want Raimondi back.

[Darthphere]

We all want Raimondi back, and hopefully he will be back, I have enough abandoment issues.

[Colossal Spoons]

Upon 2nd glance at the latest issue, I really don't like that art. :o

[Specter313]

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COVER BY: PABLO RAIMONDI
WRITER: PETER DAVID
PENCILS: KHOI PHAM
INKS: SANDU FLOREA
COLORED BY: BRIAN REBER
LETTERED BY: VC - CORY PETIT

With Mutant Town under siege and the X-Cell having taken refuge there, X-Factor races both the clock and their own divided allegiances as they try to stave off the very real possibility of every former mutant being rounded up and imprisoned as a potential terrorist. But will they have to reveal their knowledge of M-Day’s secret…and, if so, what will the fallout be?
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99

PRICE: 2.99
IN STORES: 2007-04-18

[Kevin]

Quicksilver kicking ass... Nice. And awesome spongebob joke

[Kevin]

And another thing, Why the **** does it feel that Raimondi is pulling a Sook?

Or more clever, why does it feel like we've been sooked??

:mad::mad::csad::cmad:

[Generation Lee]

I love Raimondi's art but hated his Quicksliver he looked to villiany and stuck up if you will this one looks better.

Sorry Comic boy I know you found him hot drew that way lol.

[squeekness]

I think the art in this looks great. This book is really my top fave right now, it's been a consistant joy to read. :)

[Kevin]

I love Raimondi's art but hated his Quicksliver he looked to villiany and stuck up if you will this one looks better.

Sorry Comic boy I know you found him hot drew that way lol.
No worries, it was mostly the hair that was sexy.:O

[usagicassidy]

So is issue 18 the end of a storyarc? Or in other words, are 13-18 going to come out in a trade? I just finished 1-6 and 7-12 and really want to keep reading.

[Darthphere]

I love Raimondi's art but hated his Quicksliver he looked to villiany and stuck up if you will this one looks better.

Um, thats exactly what Quicksilver is.:huh: I fail to see the problem.:huh: Another :huh:

[Specter313]

Another page:

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[Specter313]

And another thing, Why the **** does it feel that Raimondi is pulling a Sook?

Or more clever, why does it feel like we've been sooked??

:mad::mad::csad::cmad:

He's probably just taking off an arc, which is what artists do from time to time to catch up with their work. Just like Ramos took over for that one arc in X-Men.

[Kevin]

He's probably just taking off an arc, which is what artists do from time to time to catch up with their work. Just like Ramos took over for that one arc in X-Men.
I hope so. I'm still not over Sook though.:csad: I wish he were still on the title so bad.

[Specter313]

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X-FACTOR #21
Written by PETER DAVID
Pencils and Cover by PABLO RAIMONDI
In a castle of ice in a far off land, a fearsome being called the Isolationist sits and waits and plans...except he need wait no longer. He is coming to Mutant Town, and is seeking out Jamie Madrox. But whether he and X-Factor will be enemies or allies pales in comparison to the shocking developments involving Guido's new job offer, Rictor's unexpected call to action, Siryn and Monet's new case, and--most stunning of all--Layla's disturbing discovery of something even she didn't know.
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99

[Specter313]

We learn of 3 new X-Cell members in this issue:

Blob, Fatale, and Marrow!

[squeekness]

This book still continues to be the best X-book in the lineup in my opinion. I hope they don't change writers anytime soon. I love it! :D

[spark627]

Another amazing issue, it keeps getting better!

[Kevin]

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X-FACTOR #21
Written by PETER DAVID
Pencils and Cover by PABLO RAIMONDI
In a castle of ice in a far off land, a fearsome being called the Isolationist sits and waits and plans...except he need wait no longer. He is coming to Mutant Town, and is seeking out Jamie Madrox. But whether he and X-Factor will be enemies or allies pales in comparison to the shocking developments involving Guido's new job offer, Rictor's unexpected call to action, Siryn and Monet's new case, and--most stunning of all--Layla's disturbing discovery of something even she didn't know.
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99
He's coming back! He didn't Pull a Sook.:O:)

[Specter313]

He's coming back! He didn't Pull a Sook.:O:)

Told ya so.

[Generation Lee]

This comic just keeps getting better and better each issue.

[Specter313]

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X-Factor #19 will arrive in stores on May 16 from Marvel Comics. The issue is written by Peter David, with art by Khoi Pham and a cover by Andrea Di Vito.

Here's how Marvel describes the issue:

"X-Factor is trapped in the middle: On the one side, the population of Ex-Mutant Town is in danger of boiling over as the X-Cell, apparently re-empowered by Pietro, endeavor to rally the rank and file against X-Factor. On the other side, the government, ready to move in with everything from armies to Sentinels. Will Madrox decide to tell the truth behind M-Day...and will anyone believe him?"

X-Factor #19 will be 32 pages and will cost $2.99.

[Darthphere]

Art. Terrible.

[Nature's Rising]

That black woman reminds me of Storm. She looks so much like Storm, and the bullets of her gun is like a lightning bolt.

[usagicassidy]

NO! NOT EVEN! Seeing Marrow - a real, living, breathing, boney, ass-kicking Marrow - is about the best news a guy could ever get! F YEAH!!!!!

[squeekness]

Yeah, I always liked Marrow as well. Loved that big brawl she had way back with Wolverine in the Danger Room. :)

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm pretty "meh" on Marrow.

[Darthphere]

Marrow is so 90's.

X-People, vote for me!http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=272281

[Colossal Spoons]

^do it!

[AndThePickles]

I voted for you Dathphee :heart:

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X-Factor #19 will arrive in stores on May 16 from Marvel Comics. The issue is written by Peter David, with art by Khoi Phan and a cover by Andrea Di Vito.

Here's how Marvel describes the book:

"X-Factor is trapped in the middle: On the one side, the population of Ex-Mutant Town is in danger of boiling over as the X-Cell, apparently re-empowered by Pietro, endeavor to rally the rank and file against X-Factor. On the other side, the government, ready to move in with everything from armies to Sentinels. Will Madrox decide to tell the truth behind M-Day...and will anyone believe him?"

X-Factor #19 will be 32 pages and will cost $2.99.

[Colossal Spoons]

Good stuff. Rhane is actin crazy.

[Havok83]

When did Marrow come into this book? Man I need to start reading again. I hated Marrow at first but grew to like her once Kelly wrote for her in X-men. Davis killed the character for me when he turned her into a pretty teeny bopper. WORST case of character assasination.

[Manic]

When did Marrow come into this book? Man I need to start reading again. I hated Marrow at first but grew to like her once Kelly wrote for her in X-men. Davis killed the character for me when he turned her into a pretty teeny bopper. WORST case of character assasination.
She first showed up about an issue ago.

[Harlekin]

God, X-Factor rocks.

[squeekness]

Doesn't it? It's my favorite X-book right now. :D

[Colossal Spoons]

When did Marrow come into this book? Man I need to start reading again. I hated Marrow at first but grew to like her once Kelly wrote for her in X-men. Davis killed the character for me when he turned her into a pretty teeny bopper. WORST case of character assasination.

Wait, you dropped it? :eek:

[Manic]

I can't blame anyone for dropping this book. Comics are a visual medium, and maybe if they could keep a good artist for more than a few issues at a time...

[Havok83]

Wait, you dropped it? :eek:
I didnt drop it; just been too busy to read lately. Last issue I read was 16 or 17

[Colossal Spoons]

I can't blame anyone for dropping this book. Comics are a visual medium, and maybe if they could keep a good artist for more than a few issues at a time...

Granted, the art was much better in the beginning, but the writing is more than enough to make up for some average art.

I didnt drop it; just been too busy to read lately. Last issue I read was 16 or 17

Oh ok :D

[Havok83]

I actually like the art on this book. Its alot better now than in the begining when Calero was drawing

[Manic]

Granted, the art was much better in the beginning, but the writing is more than enough to make up for some average art.
I'm going to be blunt. This book wouldn't have me at all if Sook wasn't doing the art in the beginning. If my first exposure to this book was through Calero doing primary art, I'd have probably avoided it like I did Carey/Bachalo's run of X-Men.

[squeekness]

Just finished the latest issue. I'm not sure I want to know what Quicksilver just did to Rahne. :(

[Generation Lee]

Just finished the latest issue. I'm not sure I want to know what Quicksilver just did to Rahne. :(

me too on the Rahne front.

Also did anyone want to slap Rictor come on the kid has been around a while now he should smell trap a mile off.

[Darthphere]

Maybe he does, maybe he's buying time for the rest of the Factor to show up. Don't give up on Rictor too soon.

[Colossal Spoons]

I was really psyched to see Abyss :up::up:

[Darthphere]

It was like the 90's all over again.

[Kevin]

I was really psyched to see Abyss :up::up:
nightcrawler's.... brother? or am I thinking of someone else?

[squeekness]

Half brother. :)

[Specter313]

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X-FACTOR #22
Written by PETER DAVID
Pencils and Cover by PABLO RAIMONDI
Meet Molly and Wally, two charming children who go around the country singing cheerful songs that incite people to violence against mutants. Siryn and Monet have been dispatched to deal with them...except the twins have a rather unexpected protector. Meanwhile the Isolationist continues his manipulations to establish a world where mutants need never live in fear again. Question is, by the time he's done...will they be living at all? FEATURING ENDANGERED SPECIES CHAPTER 7 - Beast’s scientific journey to cure the effects of M-Day, lead him back to… THE AGE OF APOCALYPSE! 32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99

[squeekness]

Interesting cover. *hopes Siryn doesn't actually croak. *

[Kevin]

I wouldn't mind...

[JewishHobbit]

Okay, I'm a little behind on this comic due to lack of funds, but I just skimmed it at the store and was stoked about seein Abyss! I honestly never expected to see him again after the Draco. Now I know he was depowered (according to the list) but in my quick skims it looked like he was using powers. Did he get them back? And for the record, yes, I'll be buying this comic when I get extra funds... if anything for Abyss!

[Darthphere]

Okay, I'm a little behind on this comic due to lack of funds, but I just skimmed it at the store and was stoked about seein Abyss! I honestly never expected to see him again after the Draco. Now I know he was depowered (according to the list) but in my quick skims it looked like he was using powers. Did he get them back? And for the record, yes, I'll be buying this comic when I get extra funds... if anything for Abyss!

They haven't actually said but it's safe to assume that he has gotten his powers back from Pietro.

[JewishHobbit]

Sweet!!!

I've loved Abyss since the AoA. When he made his small debut in Cable I was stoked that he was now a character in the 616. Then he showed up in the X-Corps storyline and was s decent character there, and then shortly after showed up in the Draco and became Nightcrawler's brother. I was so excited that now that he has a link to a major X-man he may become a bigger character... and yet, he vanishes the next issue never to be seen again. I was sad when I saw his name on the Depowered list because I knew he was done then. I never expected to see him again. I love X-Factor, and now I love it even more :up:

[Specter313]

Actually, I'm pretty sure he's not repowered yet. I believe he was just using some kind of mechanical means to replicate his powers, same way that Marrow was using those throwing knives to replicate her bone daggers and Reaper has those mechanical sleeves to replicate his scythes. Also, I doubt they'd been repowered by Quicksilver, because he said he wanted to channel his powers through Rictor first before he gave any of the X-Cell members their powers back because it was too dangerous for them, and they didn't get Ric to Quicksilver until the end of the last issue and he started to learn about it all at that time. So, no powers back for Abyss yet.

[Kevin]

With PAD leaving FNSM, is it possible that he is leaving this book as well?

[Darthphere]

That makes no sense. And no.

[Kevin]

Well, he started FNSM, he started this book. And yes, he could very well leave. Not now, as he's apart of the x-event, but after.

[Darthphere]

Again, no.

[Havok83]

LMAO, its funny that this is brought up though bc it was Marvel's forcing him to write X-factor into the X-men crossovers that got him to quit the last time. I dont think he's going anywhere this time though

[Kevin]

Again, no.
I'm just saying I wouldn't be surprised if it happened.

[Darthphere]

LMAO, its funny that this is brought up though bc it was Marvel's forcing him to write X-factor into the X-men crossovers that got him to quit the last time. I dont think he's going anywhere this time though

I think Marvel realizes the positive reviews that X-Factor gets, personally, I think it's the best book Marvel publishes right now. So I don't think PAD will go anywehre unless he wants to go.

[Specter313]

I'm just saying I wouldn't be surprised if it happened.

So you're basically saying he's gonna drop just about all his work at Marvel then. I really doubt that.

[Kevin]

NO, I said I wouldn't be surprised if he did.

[squeekness]

If Marrow was depowered, I still think she should look normal, but instead, she still has bones sticking out. Was her mutation the growths or theability to pluck them out of her body? If it's both than she shouldn't have the bones sticking out of her face.

[Specter313]

If Marrow was depowered, I still think she should look normal, but instead, she still has bones sticking out. Was her mutation the growths or theability to pluck them out of her body? If it's both than she shouldn't have the bones sticking out of her face.

Don't forget, the depowerments all worked differently. Some people lost all traces of their mutations, while others still kept some of the physical changes. Like Stacy X, she lost her pheramone powers, but still kept her snake skin.

[Darthphere]

And Blob kept all the extra skin.

[squeekness]

See, I'm of the mind that if you lose the X gene it all goes. I think Marvel dropped the ball on that one, you can't have it both ways.

[Specter313]

See, I'm of the mind that if you lose the X gene it all goes. I think Marvel dropped the ball on that one, you can't have it both ways.

Well, I think it was more to show that Wanda's powers still don't work perfectly.

[squeekness]

Oh, because it sorta looked more like cheating to me...:p

[Specter313]

Oh, because it sorta looked more like cheating to me...:p

Well, there's a lot about the while decimation thing that Marvel didn't handle well at all, so your theory could still be valid. :p

[OutcryX]

I just want the whole depowerment thing to be retconned forever. if they wanted a lot less mutants, then write an incredible story with an Uber bad guy(s) that go out and mass murder every mutant in sight. or have mass sentinel deployment that does this..compelling storytelling that would be, especially with the reactions of the rest of the marvel superheroes and how thinnly stretched the x-men become trying to stop it. but the whole *snap and blink*, no more mutants thing was lazy writing and an easy out.

by the way..I LOVE Abyss too..ever since AoA glad he is back...i wish Blink were in the 616...now maybe they will bring Kiwi Black back too...by the way..to anyone who may know (Spec313) in the original AoA..in Exalibre...who was Switchback's counterpart in the 616?

[Specter313]

From what I can tell, Switchback is one of the few characters who doesn't have a 616 counterpart.

Kinda like how the Ultimate universe has original characters like Magician and Syndicate.

[Darthphere]

I just want the whole depowerment thing to be retconned forever. if they wanted a lot less mutants, then write an incredible story with an Uber bad guy(s) that go out and mass murder every mutant in sight. or have mass sentinel deployment that does this..compelling storytelling that would be, especially with the reactions of the rest of the marvel superheroes and how thinnly stretched the x-men become trying to stop it. but the whole *snap and blink*, no more mutants thing was lazy writing and an easy out.

The way they did it sucked, but I think this provides a lot more story possibilities than "OMG, Apocalypse killed 50,000 Mutants!"

[OutcryX]

The way they did it sucked, but I think this provides a lot more story possibilities than "OMG, Apocalypse killed 50,000 Mutants!"

I actually would LIKE to see Apocalypse do something..well..apocalyptic. So that he can be deserving of his freakin name and worthy of being his self claimed Strongest of all mutants crapola. you know for him to be an actual challenge to the X-men without mining their ranks for his next Death horseman

and thanks Spec. it always bothered me as to who she was in the 616. i didnt care for her much anyways.

[JewishHobbit]

I thought Switchback was cool myself... but then, I'm easily pleased. She was one of several original characters, but one of the few, if not the only, one to not show up in 616 aftwards.

Abyss
Holocaust
Rex
Sugar Man
Vincente
Demask
Bedlam Brothers


Hmm, that one guy that Husk and Vincente killed and replecated was original and didn't show up after the AoA... so I guess there were 2. I think his name was Quistus.

[OutcryX]

I thought Switchback was cool myself... but then, I'm easily pleased. She was one of several original characters, but one of the few, if not the only, one to not show up in 616 aftwards.

Abyss
Holocaust
Rex
Sugar Man
Vincente
Demask
Bedlam Brothers


Hmm, that one guy that Husk and Vincente killed and replecated was original and didn't show up after the AoA... so I guess there were 2. I think his name was Quistus.

The bedlam Brothers were around before AoA. Jesse bedlam had been a new recruit into X-Force.

Don't know who Rex, Vincente and Demask are in the 616. Abyss showed up as a mutate from genosha. Sugar man was one of the 4 AoA survivors along with holocaust. i apologize if i read your post wrong and responded accordingly

[Valechan]

The Bedlam brothers appeared in AoA first, Jesse Bedlam joined X-force in 98, when the AoA was in 95.

Damask (not Demask) was Ms Stein, Black Queen of the London Hellfire Club, seen in Excalibur 97-100. Rex was an assassin who tried to kill X-man (Nate Grey) in teh early issues of his run. Vincente was part of Emplate's Henchmen in his first attack on Gen X, circa Gen X 12-14

[OutcryX]

The Bedlam brothers appeared in AoA first, Jesse Bedlam joined X-force in 98, when the AoA was in 95.

Damask (not Demask) was Ms Stein, Black Queen of the London Hellfire Club, seen in Excalibur 97-100. Rex was an assassin who tried to kill X-man (Nate Grey) in teh early issues of his run. Vincente was part of Emplate's Henchmen in his first attack on Gen X, circa Gen X 12-14


cool. thanks for the update. Jesse bedlam was better left as a part of AoA.

[Valechan]

His 616 counterpart sort of fell into Limbo...

Back to X-Factor, just read issue 19... since when do Marrow and Syrin call each other by their first names and act so "we used to be such good friends"? Heck I don't even remember seeing them in one comic book at the same time EVER since this issue...

[Specter313]

The Bedlam brothers appeared in AoA first, Jesse Bedlam joined X-force in 98, when the AoA was in 95.

Damask (not Demask) was Ms Stein, Black Queen of the London Hellfire Club, seen in Excalibur 97-100. Rex was an assassin who tried to kill X-man (Nate Grey) in teh early issues of his run. Vincente was part of Emplate's Henchmen in his first attack on Gen X, circa Gen X 12-14

It's actually Ms. Steed, not Ms. Stein.

[Valechan]

I haven't read those issues in a while, but it's very similar anyway :p Pity she never appeared ever again...

[Specter313]

http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/marvelcomics/200709_advance/XFACT023.jpg

X-FACTOR #23
Written by Peter David
Pencils & Cover by Pablo Raimondi
"The Isolationist" Part 3 of 4.
Layla Miller is in over her head, and her survival hinges on the one man who wants to see her dead. The plan of Josef Huber, the Isolationist, is revealed, but X-Factor may not be around to stop it. And Monet and Siryn take an elevator.
FEATURING ENDANGERED SPECIES Chapter 11
Guest starring FORGE, Beast examines the effect that M-Day had on alternate futures via Forge's technology. And the future looks bleak!
40 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99


Hey, that's that one dude from the Madrox mini who had the same powers as Jamie!

[Kevin]

God, I love PAD. Him and plottreads are amazing. All you have to do is give it time, and he will get back to it.

[OutcryX]

I wish they would make their minds up on whether M is black or Middle Eastern or whatever....man I hate Siryn. Did Rictor get his powers back? Quicksilver is part of X-Factor? i wonder if Rictor and Shatterstar ever ****ed each other

[Kevin]

:eek: Oh my god, you're full of questions, aren't you?

[Manic]

I love M, but I can't stand the way they're coloring her in this series. She was much darker back in her old Gen X days.

http://snikt.com/COTA/Mutants/S/Monet_St_Croix/Image_Gallery/Index.htm

[Darthphere]

I love M, but I can't stand the way they're coloring her in this series. She was much darker back in her old Gen X days.

http://snikt.com/COTA/Mutants/S/Monet_St_Croix/Image_Gallery/Index.htm

I really don't see the problem. :huh:

[OutcryX]

Well the character ethnicity and race has been changed and misconstrued and debated for years. She is Ethnic Algerian no? she could be of any decent. Her mother's race was never stated was it?

[Specter313]

X-Factor: The Longest Night
Marvel Comics
Writer: Peter David
Art: Ryan Sook, Dennis Calero

This week the Shoot-Out takes aim at a trade paperback collection: X-Factor: The Longest Night, a collection of the first six issues of the new X-Factor series from Marvel.

Spinning out of the of 2004’s successful MadroX miniseries — which re-cast the second-string X-Man Jamie Madrox, a.k.a. Multiple Man, as a private detective — and Marvel Comics’ universe-shaking House of M series, the all new X-Factor follows the story of X-Factor Investigations, a group of mutant detectives dedicated to protecting Mutant Town, a neighborhood in New York City. Written by Peter David (who wrote both the MadroX miniseries and the some of X-Factor’s most fondly remembered adventures back in the late 1990s) and the artistry of Ryan Sook and Dennis Calero.

The premise is cunning: Jamie Madrox, who possesses the ability to create duplicates of his entire person, has sent his dupes out into the world to master skills and generate experiences that he would never have time to accomplish on his own. His plan has some unseen side-effects: while he hoped to better himself, what he did turned out to overwhelm his mind. As a result, his dupes have literally taken on lives of their own, and some of these “selves” are pursuing wholly different agendas.

Rounding out the cast of X-Factor, we have Theresa Cassidy (Siryn), with her sonic scream and new ability to modulate her voice to seduce others and gain their compliance; Rahne Sinclair (Wolfsbane), a Scots Presbyterian werewolf; Monet St. Croix (M), an aloof woman who is physically and mentally advanced beyond most of her peers; Guido Carosella (Strong Guy), a… well… strong guy (actually, he absorbs energy from physical attacks and converts the energy into more strength for himself); and Rictor, a depowered mutant who was once able to literally move the earth. Oh, and there’s also Layla Miller. She “knows stuff.”

Two of Best Shots’ finest — Michael Lorah and “Mean” Jeff Marsick — sat down to chew over the trade. Please check your sidearms at the door, and welcome to the Shoot Out.

Mike: One of the things about The Longest Night that really grabbed me is how good a job Peter David did at making each character feel like they have a personality and some sort of goal beyond just enforcing the team’s mission statement.

Jeff: I think it’s a much better group dynamic than the last time PAD wrote them, back when they were quasi-resentful and resented government lackeys under the thumb of Valerie Cooper.

Mike: My steel-trap memory has only hazy impressions of those halcyon days, but yeah, the group dynamics felt natural and like a group of people who have a lot of history. One character I couldn’t figure out was Monet: she doesn’t seem to like the rest of the team very much or get along with anybody, so I can’t see why she’d hook up with them.

Jeff: She’s abrasive, sure, but I think for her, especially now when the mutant population is greatly reduced, X-Factor is a life preserver to keep her afloat in a distinctly mutant-less sea. I think pomposity is part of her DNA, what makes her character unique. She’s the team’s resident Paris Hilton.

Mike: Maybe. I just hope her piece of the puzzle eventually settles in a logical manner. One of the problems I have with most super-teams is that half of the characters are basically window-dressing in any particular storyline. Fortunately, that’s not been the case in this series.

Jeff: Theresa is definitely not window-dressing.

Mike: Not at all. I love the idea that she resembles the sirens of myth, that she’s a woman whose magical voice cannot be resisted. I’m very curious to see where PAD takes this development.

Jeff: PAD has definitely changed his take on these characters since his first run on them, and for the better I have to say. Guido, for instance, used to be comic relief, almost to an annoying slap-sticky degree. Now he’s what I’ve always envisioned him to be, the team’s heavy. But he’s not such a tough, or should I say “strong” guy that you can’t see he wears a little bit of his heart on his sleeve for his teammates, or that he can’t trade witty ripostes with the others. The whole team, for that matter has undergone a makeover.

Mike: I thought the book had a relatively dark tone. X-Factor is now in the role of protecting thousands of recently de-powered mutants in the city, all of which are now vulnerable to attacks from bigoted “norms”. It works for the series, and is complemented nicely by the artwork, but I like that it never gets too dark. The humor comes out at the most unexpected times, and it really livens the series.

Jeff: Well, it’s a different tack for the team. Back in the day they were a government-sponsored mutant bounty hunting team, but written as a Marvel analog of the Giffen-era Justice League. Now they refer to themselves as a detective agency as well as a neighborhood watch program, and are much more their own team. It’s a good role for them. As for the humor, I personally was never able to read X-Factor after PAD left the first series. I don’t think anyone “gets” the team dynamic as well as he does, and he uses just enough humor and levity between the characters without going overboard like, say, Mighty Avengers or New Avengers do. The repartee is forced in those series, like Bendis is fleshing out a stand-up routine, but in X-Factor you get the feeling that this is a close-knit family and this is how they act with each other.

Mike: I loved “Layla! I have to go out. Jamie wants you to deal with the corpse on the floor.”

Jeff: Mine was the repeated “I’m Layla Miller. I know stuff.”

Mike: Rahne berating Rictor with Catholic dogma about suicides going to Hell when he was standing on the ledge was hilarious as well. All of it was a nice contrast to the really dark stuff, like the brutality of Theresa being kidnapped and beaten.

Jeff: Why PAD isn’t writing sit-coms is a mystery to me. What did you think of the artwork?

Mike: I was surprised. I was afraid that having two pencillers and two inkers on the book would lead to a jarring transition at some point. But it never happened.

Jeff: There were two pencillers on this book?

Mike: Uh, yeah. Read the credits much?

Jeff: It says “Writer: Peter David”. What more do I need to know? Seriously, though, I wouldn’t have known that a pencil had changed hands. On one side of the coin I’m sure that’s going to be insulting to one of them, or the other, that’s a pretty solid compliment.

Mike: And credit is due the color work of Jose Villarrubia. He makes their compositions look gorgeous. Sook and Calero kept the mood of the stories, while still making the characters recognizable, the action easy to follow, and the backgrounds clear and consistent enough to ground the scenes.

Jeff: Yeah, these guys are solid. They managed to give it a noir feel, which again is a welcome departure from the old days of vibrant colors and the blue and yellow duds. Personally, I thought the torture scene with Siryn was some of the best work in the series, morbid as that may sound. But it was the way the artists handled the lighting and the composition which really gave it a Seven-esque kind of feel. It felt like I was watching a movie.

Mike: Now, did you read MadroX or House of M?

Jeff: I did not.

Mike: I read the former but not the latter, so I pretty much knew where things stood with Jamie when X-Factor picks up, and I honestly felt that any new reader should be able to size up his status quo pretty quickly. PAD spells out his mindset very clearly in the first issue, so I don’t think that any readers coming in without that particular back story will have trouble following along. So I think MadroX is a nice and recommended prologue, but not required reading.

Jeff: There might be a little homework necessary on what the Decimation was all about, which never gets a lot air time in recap. I think the Cliff Notes version is that nearly all of the mutants were de-powered when the Scarlet Witch said “No more mutants” in the House of M storyline, right?

Mike: Right, and X-Factor is looking for answers, although I was confused as to why. I thought they had X-friends at Ground Zero who knew what caused the whole event. I hate that, not knowing a major plot point in Title X because I didn’t read Title A, B, or C.

Jeff: I agree with you there. But I didn’t think Decimation played enough of a role in these first six issues to compel me to rush out and buy the trade to see what all the hubbub was about. Maybe in coming issues I’ll need to, but I thought this trade was strong enough on its own to carry the reader through. This is about a team coming together and getting their feet back on solid ground.

Mike: Was there anything that bothered you about the book?

Jeff: I didn’t really care for Rictor’s attitude. Maybe it’s a sign of his depression, but he plays very cavalier about other people’s lives, especially the “bad guys”. His coldness reminds me of John Malkovich in In the Line of Fire, when he shoots those two hunters at the lake: Emotionless and empty. When Rictor’s at the gas station and he taunts the guy to pull the trigger and set himself on fire; and later when he just watches Theresa’s abductor get hanged: Not very hero-like. Oh and I have to pick a nit: in the scene with the gun, the guy pulls the trigger, the hammer falls, the fuel is ignited….but what happened to the bullet? If you start a spark from shooting a bullet, well, there’s gotta be a projectile from the other end. Someone dropped the ball on that one.

Mike: Yeah, that was particularly cold (and I had the same thought about the bullet!). I liked his character otherwise though. I’m curious to see if he’s going to have to pay a price for his indifference toward life. I guess if I had a problem, and I’m withholding judgment until we see how things develop in the next volume or two, it would be with Layla Miller, the teenage runaway who winds up hanging out at X-Factor’s headquarters, was definitely starting to wear thin with me by the end of the book.

Jeff: Seriously? Oh, I thought she was great.

Mike: There’s some great deadpan moments between her and the rest of the team and one extremely creepy scene at the end of issue three, but for the most part she’s this deus ex machina device who wanders into scenes knowing things that come true. I’ve never like prophecies as a story device since it feels like a cheap way to try to create a sense of impending doom without actually making the doom in any way threatening.

Jeff: I disagree with you there. I think she’s a grand manipulator, as it’s intimated in issue six and especially the last page of the book. It’s the mystery as to why she manipulates the situation around her that is the intrigue. I like that Rictor’s on to her possible shenanigans, too.

Mike: She is a manipulator, which is why I’m withholding final judgment. We’ll see… So the question is, would you recommend this?

Jeff: Absolutely. Great art and phenomenal writing by Peter David make this a must read for any X-fan. One of my favorite things about PAD’s writing are his segues. I read his book on writing comic books and he explains the technique, and I think he really is the best at seamlessly bringing the reader from one scene to the next.

Mike: Yeah, the technique makes all the disparate character threads feel like they’re part of a seamless whole. I’d definitely recommend it too.

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=117117

[Darthphere]

X-Factor #21 Preview. (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=117699)

RAIMONDI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Specter313]

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From Marvel

After years of planning and waiting, the frightening Isolationist finally leaves his castle of ice to hunt down the man known as Jamie Madrox in X-Factor #21. But is the Isolationist a friend or foe to the X-Factor? Legendary writer Peter David and fan favorite artist Pablo Raimondi present an issue of mystery and suspense with Marvel’s most unusual team of mutants. But even the most ardent X-Fan may not know that The Isolationist made his debut back in the pages of X-Factor (vol. 1) #89, when David hinted at the agenda of this shadowy figure. Now a decade’s long mystery will be revealed…and will leave the members of X-Factor reeling!

As if the appearance of the Isolationist wasn’t enough, the members of X-Factor all cope with surprising new developments; Rictor springs into action, Siryn and Monet accept a new case, Guido receives a job offer, and Layla discovers something that will shock the entire team!

Also, X-Factor #21 features part three of X-Men: Endangered Species, the epic quest of one mutant—the famous X-Man Beast—trying to solve the puzzle of mutant extinction before time runs out! This can’t miss chapter is written by Mike Carey (X-Men) and penciled by Mark Bagley (Ultimate Spider-Man).

Be sure to pick up a copy of X-Factor #21 to learn about all the exciting developments in Mutant Town!

X-FACTOR #21 (MAY072158)
Written by PETER DAVID & MIKE CAREY
Pencils by PABLO RAIMONDI & MARK BAGLEY
Cover by PABLO RAIMONDI
Rated T+ … $2.99
FOC—6/21/07, On-Sale—7/11/07

[OutcryX]

Damn...that description alone actually makes me want to start picking this up.

oh and see what i mean about beast(if you've been following my rants in other threads)....NOBODY seems to be able to draw a consistent cat-beast...ie..the form needs to go. now.

[Manic]

I really don't see the problem. :huh:
She used to be slightly lighter than Storm. Now she's roughly the same skin tone as Forge. They're pulling a Michael Jackson on her. She went from 'Off the Wall' to 'Bad', and hardly anyone seems to care.

[Darthphere]

She used to be slightly lighter than Storm. Now she's roughly the same skin tone as Forge. They're pulling a Michael Jackson on her. She went from 'Off the Wall' to 'Bad', and hardly anyone seems to care.

Why do you care so much? She's still "dark" but now she's less dark. Ok?:huh:

[Colossal Spoons]

From Marvel

[/I]After years of planning and waiting, the frightening Isolationist finally leaves his castle of ice to hunt down the man known as Jamie Madrox in X-Factor #21. But is the Isolationist a friend or foe to the X-Factor? Legendary writer Peter David and fan favorite artist Pablo Raimondi present an issue of mystery and suspense with Marvel’s most unusual team of mutants. But even the most ardent X-Fan may not know that The Isolationist made his debut back in the pages of X-Factor (vol. 1) #89, when David hinted at the agenda of this shadowy figure. Now a decade’s long mystery will be revealed…and will leave the members of X-Factor reeling!

As if the appearance of the Isolationist wasn’t enough, the members of X-Factor all cope with surprising new developments; Rictor springs into action, Siryn and Monet accept a new case, Guido receives a job offer, and Layla discovers something that will shock the entire team!

Also, X-Factor #21 features part three of X-Men: Endangered Species, the epic quest of one mutant—the famous X-Man Beast—trying to solve the puzzle of mutant extinction before time runs out! This can’t miss chapter is written by Mike Carey (X-Men) and penciled by Mark Bagley (Ultimate Spider-Man).

Be sure to pick up a copy of X-Factor #21 to learn about all the exciting developments in Mutant Town!

X-FACTOR #21 (MAY072158)
Written by PETER DAVID & MIKE CAREY
Pencils by PABLO RAIMONDI & MARK BAGLEY
Cover by PABLO RAIMONDI
Rated T+ … $2.99
FOC—6/21/07, On-Sale—7/11/07[/LEFT]

Wow, Guido's actually gonna do something!? :eek:

[OutcryX]

Why do you care so much? She's still "dark" but now she's less dark. Ok?:huh:


um why cant he care so much? the chick looks more european now when she started out looking very ethnic. she went from a tyra banks color to halle berry..in case you haven't noticed..that is quite a difference and one that doesn't happen naturally.

[Darthphere]

um why cant he care so much? the chick looks more european now when she started out looking very ethnic. she went from a tyra banks color to halle berry..in case you haven't noticed..that is quite a difference and one that doesn't happen naturally.

http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2006/0605/banks0508.jpg

http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/ap/pw80603281026.widec.jpg

It's just something really stupid to be focusing on. She's still "ethnic" right? Who the **** cares? Seriously.

[Colossal Spoons]

Darth, you obsess over some minuscule details as well. Hell, it's been the cause of like 70% of the arguments you've gotten into. This is just Manic's thing. :shrug:

[Darthphere]

Darth, you obsess over some minuscule details as well. Hell, it's been the cause of like 70% of the arguments you've gotten into. This is just Manic's thing. :shrug:

Manic's thing is stupid though. Mine, are not. Colossal, you knowz.:o

EDIT: I mean, what are we arguing about? The shade of a certain color? Lets be real. Now, if they retconned her into a white girl with a bad tan, then ***** away.

[Manic]

Monet isn't dark enough. She used to look black.

There, I said it.

[Specter313]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0706/21/xfactor20c.jpg

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X-Factor #20 will arrive in stores on June 27 from Marvel Comics. The issue is written by Peter David, with art and cover by Khoi Pham.

Here's how Marvel describes the issue:

"X-Factor deals with the fallout of the X-Cell explosion! X-Factor reels as they try and piece their lives back together as new relationships are forged and old ones crumble apart. A turning point issue!"

X-Factor #20 will be 32 pages and cost $2.99.

[Darthphere]

Monet isn't dark enough. She used to look black.

There, I said it.

So she isn't black enough? Wow.:dry:

[Colossal Spoons]

Manic's thing is stupid though. Mine, are not. Colossal, you knowz.:o

EDIT: I mean, what are we arguing about? The shade of a certain color? Lets be real. Now, if they retconned her into a white girl with a bad tan, then ***** away.

I guess everybody has their nitpicky topic. I make a fuss everytime Colossus is drawn less muscular than he should be. Does it matter at the end of the day? Hell yes! :mad:

[Darthphere]

I guess everybody has their nitpicky topic. I make a fuss everytime Colossus is drawn less muscular than he should be. Does it matter at the end of the day? Hell yes! :mad:

Colossus shouldn't have muscles in his metal form. That's stupid.:o

[Manic]

So she isn't black enough? Wow.:dry:
Exactly. She's not black enough. I demand chocolate!

[Darthphere]

Exactly. She's not black enough. I demand chocolate!

So sad.

[Manic]

So sad.
Racist.





:oldrazz:

[JewishHobbit]

Abyss isn't blue enough. I demand Blue Berry!

[Manic]

Abyss isn't blue enough. I demand Blue Berry!
Settle for nothing less!

[Havok83]

So she isn't black enough? Wow.:dry:
No she isnt drawn dark enough. Its been one of my complaints for a while

This is how Monet should look.

http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/8937/m1qo1.jpg

and this is how she looks in X-factor. She looks like a white girl with a tan

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/5426/m2yy3.jpg

[Kevin]

Holy ****! I need issue 20 yesterday, I can't wait until next week.

[OutcryX]

No she isnt drawn dark enough. Its been one of my complaints for a while

This is how Monet should look.

http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/8937/m1qo1.jpg

and this is how she looks in X-factor. She looks like a white girl with a tan

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/5426/m2yy3.jpg


exactly...if she isnt constantly being refered by her name i would have no clue that she was M. i'd be more quick to call her Dani Moonstar.

[Darthphere]

No she isnt drawn dark enough. Its been one of my complaints for a while

This is how Monet should look.

http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/8937/m1qo1.jpg

and this is how she looks in X-factor. She looks like a white girl with a tan

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/5426/m2yy3.jpg

You know coloring techniques on comics have advanced since the 90's right? That's probably what they wanted to go for back in the day but couldn't. I mean, even the examples from the time period you posted aren't consistent. In closing. GET THE **** OVER IT. Thank you.

[Havok83]

You know coloring techniques on comics have advanced since the 90's right? That's probably what they wanted to go for back in the day but couldn't. I mean, even the examples from the time period you posted aren't consistent. In closing. GET THE **** OVER IT. Thank you.
so your saying they couldnt color a light skinned person back in the 90s? Come on thats ridiculius. If they wanted Monet to be colored the way she is now, back then, they could have. Like Outcry said, she looks like Moonstar, a Native American, not the dark skinned African she was ALWAYS portrayed as until X-factor

[Darthphere]

Again, look at the coloring on a 90's book, and look at the coloring today. It is a league of difference between the two. And once more, her skin color isn't even consistent in the examples you posted. She's ****ing yellow in the last one for god's sake.

[Havok83]

Again, look at the coloring on a 90's book, and look at the coloring today. It is a league of difference between the two. And once more, her skin color isn't even consistent in the examples you posted. She's ****ing yellow in the last one for god's sake.
Its clear in all those pics that the 90s M is dark skinned and the M of today is light skinned. Her look was always consistant dark and she wasnt drastically changing skin tones by the issue

[Darthphere]

You're just not getting it are you?

[Havok83]

You're just not getting it are you?
no I dont think you are

[Darthphere]

Oh! Nice one. Seriously, go pick up some 90's comics and look at the difference, please. I'm begging you. I want to stop you from looking foolish.

Black or dark characters in comics have a lot more going for them in terms of tone. Coloring techniques have matured to the point where we can have different shades or "dark". That's just fact. When M first appeared, if you were black, you were dark as hell. End of story. There was no light dark or whatever you want to call it. I'm sorry if you can't come to terms with that.

[OutcryX]

You're just not getting it are you?

i get what you are saying. you are saying that throughout the 90s M was intended to be light skinned and the coloring system was sooo antiquated that they just couldnt get it right, so they made her dark skinned, but now since the coloring systems are lightyears ahead, they are now correctly coloring her.

and you are getting this information from what source?

what manic, havok and i are saying is that, as is soo obviously appears, is that M, who is ethnic Algerian...used to be MUCH darker than she is portrayed now, where she is not even recognizable as the character from Generation X.

but now she is the color she was intended to be??? that what you are saying?

[Darthphere]

Bishop

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fe/Bishop-Pacheco.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9b/DstrX2.jpg

Storm

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4b/Storm-Forge.JPG

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f3/Uxm449.jpg

Luke Cage

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7e/Cage_1992.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b6/Cagehoenswed.jpg

Do you need more? I can make all of you look dumb some more if need be. OMG, they're all light dark!!!1111!111

[OutcryX]

Bishop

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fe/Bishop-Pacheco.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9b/DstrX2.jpg

Storm

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4b/Storm-Forge.JPG

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f3/Uxm449.jpg

Luke Cage

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7e/Cage_1992.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b6/Cagehoenswed.jpg

Do you need more? I can make all of you look dumb some more if need be. OMG, they're all light dark!!!1111!111


please do..except this time. show us sum James Rhodes pics

[Darthphere]

please do..except this time. show us sum James Rhodes pics

I'm....shocked.:dry: