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BRUTAL
06-06-2007, 12:30 PM
Which "him"?
DocLathropBrown
06-06-2007, 02:45 PM
I think the lineup should stay with characters who got their start on the NES. So non-Nintendo characters are still okay, but only if their first US start was on the NES.
Snake fits that criteria because Metal Gear first came to the US on the NES. Even though it was a crappy port.
Thus, I think Mega Man, Simon Belmont and the Bionic Commando would be great additions to the lineup.
BRUTAL
06-06-2007, 06:12 PM
Thus, I think Mega Man, Simon Belmont and the Bionic Commando would be great additions to the lineup.
All great choices, I think Snake is a horrible selection because of the spirit and lightheartedness of the game. Snake has always been a serious character and this departure kind of makes me lose a little respect for Kojima, feels a bit like he's selling out.
Mega Man would be badass, as would Belmont, Bionic Commando I'm a little iffy about, but a guy from Contra would rock all manner of socks.
What about "NES Sport's Guy" just a generic looking guy that could switch from golfer, to tennis, to baseball, etc. as homage to all the NES non Title sports games of old. Or how about a little love for MAC from Punch Out!!!
DocLathropBrown
06-06-2007, 06:22 PM
All great choices, I think Snake is a horrible selection because of the spirit and lightheartedness of the game. Snake has always been a serious character and this departure kind of makes me lose a little respect for Kojima, feels a bit like he's selling out.
He's just having fun with his character. It's not in continuity, so I think if Kojima doesn't have a problem, we shouldn't. Snake knows how to party, dammit! :oldrazz:
Little Mac is a must! Imagine unlocking King Hippo! :wow:
BRUTAL
06-06-2007, 06:52 PM
He's just having fun with his character. It's not in continuity, so I think if Kojima doesn't have a problem, we shouldn't. Snake knows how to party, dammit! :oldrazz:
Little Mac is a must! Imagine unlocking King Hippo! :wow:
F King Hippo, let see some Mr. Dream from Punch-Out!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7c/Mrdream.jpg
Telekinetic
06-06-2007, 07:14 PM
Which "him"?
the motorcyle guy from excitebike.
Capt Throbberson
06-06-2007, 08:29 PM
F King Hippo, let see some Mr. Dream from Punch-Out!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7c/Mrdream.jpg
Mr Dream? Is that like Mike Tyson's stand-in?
All great choices, I think Snake is a horrible selection because of the spirit and lightheartedness of the game. Snake has always been a serious character and this departure kind of makes me lose a little respect for Kojima, feels a bit like he's selling out. MGS games aren't completly serious. It's not a departure, hell MGS1 was filled with innuendo and comedic moments (Mostly involving Meryl and Otacon), MGS2 had a easter-egg where you can see Snake spanking it, MGS3 had that Austin Powers-esque shadow scene, and those are just a few examples. If lightheartedness = Selling out for Kojima, then he sold out a LONG time ago.
WolfCypher
06-07-2007, 08:32 AM
F King Hippo, let see some Mr. Dream from Punch-Out!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7c/Mrdream.jpg
King Hippo would be a fun treat in Brawl. Mr. Dream would seem so generic.
And Mr. Dream is the final boss replacing Mike Tyson in the newer "remakes".
Shifty
06-08-2007, 01:19 PM
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.nintendowiifanboy.com/media/2007/06/smashcontrols060707.jpg
There’s no need to be confused about what does what—just choose the play style you prefer!
I suppose I would recommend the Nintendo GameCube controller, though. I like the feel of that powerful rumble.
Still, try out the other controls—they definitely give you a fresh experience.
Hmm? How do you do smashes and dashes with just the Wii Remote?
If I get the chance to tell you, I will.
Electro UK
06-08-2007, 01:25 PM
Put me down for the GC controller then.
Drakon
06-08-2007, 01:33 PM
I'm still pulling for Captain N.
Telekinetic
06-08-2007, 01:35 PM
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.nintendowiifanboy.com/media/2007/06/smashcontrols060707.jpg
you beat meto it.
but yeah this is an update many have been waiting for.
jaydawg
06-08-2007, 04:20 PM
Seriously. Even with two wiimotes, I'm already set for four player matches. Very awesome. I bet the standard wiimote is the worst while the GC is the best.
Telekinetic
06-08-2007, 04:38 PM
Even on the site it says the GC remote is recommended
"becuase you can feel it rumble"
umm no....because the wii remote sucks for any kind of fighting game.
BRUTAL
06-08-2007, 05:55 PM
I'm still pulling for Captain N.
That would rule ridiculous amounts of ass... But ONLY if you could call upon Duke for some of his moves.
Drakon
06-08-2007, 05:58 PM
Or, give Duke his own place. I mean, if we can fight as Pokemon, then why not?
BRUTAL
06-08-2007, 06:16 PM
Or, give Duke his own place. I mean, if we can fight as Pokemon, then why not?
Duke's more of a side kick, he wasn't super powered or anything
SLYspyder
06-08-2007, 08:01 PM
I'm really happy that people with Wiis don't have to go out an buy a different controller in order to play the game.
I was thinking about it previously and I was disappointed by it.
Telekinetic
06-08-2007, 11:11 PM
Im really unhappy that people without wii's have to go out and buy one for this game.
:D
Brainiac 8
06-09-2007, 12:47 AM
Even on the site it says the GC remote is recommended
"becuase you can feel it rumble"
umm no....because the wii remote sucks for any kind of fighting game.
Play the new Mortal Kombat for the Wii...your tune will change.:o
SLYspyder
06-09-2007, 02:49 AM
Im really unhappy that people without wii's have to go out and buy one for this game.
:D
Hehe, yup, I'm having to do the same thing. This is the ONE game that'll make me go to the stores immediately and purchase a Wii.
Drakon
06-09-2007, 07:29 AM
Duke's more of a side kick, he wasn't super powered or anything
I though that, while not SUPER powered, he was above doggie average in the game world?
Super Kal
06-09-2007, 08:02 AM
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.nintendowiifanboy.com/media/2007/06/smashcontrols060707.jpg
that's cool...
they really need to update who's gonna be in this game
The Leaguer
06-09-2007, 12:45 PM
Play the new Mortal Kombat for the Wii...your tune will change.:o
I have Mortal Kombat on the Wii and it only proves that Nintendo is wasting the potential the Wii-mote has.
Besides, Smash and Mortal Kombat are two wildly different games.
Telekinetic
06-09-2007, 04:32 PM
I have Mortal Kombat on the Wii and it only proves that Nintendo is wasting the potential the Wii-mote has.
Besides, Smash and Mortal Kombat are two wildly different games.
Ive played MKA on the wii and i was super disappointed.
Ill stick to my PS2 version.
Even on the GC, because of the fisher-price design of the remote, it made it impossible to have any decent fighting games.
Only one was SSM.
Telekinetic
06-09-2007, 04:34 PM
Hehe, yup, I'm having to do the same thing. This is the ONE game that'll make me go to the stores immediately and purchase a Wii.
true that,
i mean the wii, does look pretty cool, but im such a smash fan it would make me buy a wii just for this game.
I did that last time with the GC. i only played melee once and i went out and bought a GC just for that one game.
The Leaguer
06-09-2007, 04:51 PM
Even on the GC, because of the fisher-price design of the remote, it made it impossible to have any decent fighting games.
That's true. Soul Calibur was impossible to control on the 'Cube.
Telekinetic
06-09-2007, 05:10 PM
Iwished they improved the remote when the wii came out
but then they came out with the wii mote
thats when i figured id probably end up buying a ps3 later on.
jaydawg
06-09-2007, 06:48 PM
That's true. Soul Calibur was impossible to control on the 'Cube.
Maybe you just suck at fighters. I rock at GC Calibur.
The Leaguer
06-10-2007, 01:25 AM
Actually, my first time playing Soul Calibur I dominated my friends who had been playing it for weeks. The problem isn't that I suck at fighters, the problem is that the 'Cube controller sucks at fighters. Although, now that the Wii is out, I can honestly say the 'Cube controller is not the worst controller I've ever used.
spideyboy_1111
06-10-2007, 01:28 AM
sounds like your just a button masher... thats the only way someone wins there first time against people who have played it before
The Leaguer
06-10-2007, 01:30 AM
I'm a button masher because I used the skills I garnered playing the PS2 version? :confused:
spideyboy_1111
06-10-2007, 01:34 AM
I'm a button masher because I used the skills I garnered playing the PS2 version? :confused:
different controlers mean you need new learned skills...
The Leaguer
06-10-2007, 01:37 AM
The PS2 version and the 'Cube version both had identical controls and fighting abilities. The only difference was controller button layout. Do you know nothing about video games? :confused:
spideyboy_1111
06-10-2007, 01:45 AM
i know very much about video games... but getting use to a new control isn't an instant thing... for most people its hard having your hands programed for one controler.. and then playing the same game with another.. your hands just naturally are use to the other... it shouldn't of been as easy of a switch as u seem to have made it. it's just common sense
The Leaguer
06-10-2007, 01:46 AM
Actually, it's really not that hard. I guess you must just suck at video games. Sorry cowgirl, not everyone's a pro.
spideyboy_1111
06-10-2007, 01:55 AM
cowgirl?
The Leaguer
06-10-2007, 01:56 AM
cow-girl
–noun
1. a woman who herds and tends cattle on a ranch, esp. in the western U.S., and who traditionally goes about most of her work on horseback.
2. a woman who exhibits the skills attributed to such cowgirls, esp. in rodeos.
spideyboy_1111
06-10-2007, 02:10 AM
ur an odd ball....
Super Kal
06-10-2007, 10:58 AM
on every Super Smash Brothers game, I love to just toy with my opponent
Spidey Lover 10
06-10-2007, 11:02 AM
yay 4 sssssssssssssolind ssssssssssssssnake!!!!!!! he kick arse!
The Leaguer
06-10-2007, 01:29 PM
Yeah, I love Solind Snake.
jaydawg
06-10-2007, 03:22 PM
Ugh. More noobs.
DACrowe
06-10-2007, 11:56 PM
When is this coming out, official, yet?
The Leaguer
06-11-2007, 01:15 AM
All we know is sometime in 2007. There's been a lot of skepticism about a launch that early, but Nintendo has been pretty adamant of late that it'll be out this year, so that's reassuring, I guess.
TheCorpulent1
06-11-2007, 08:58 AM
But there are still, like, six months left of this year. I want more Smash Bros. now. :cmad:
The Leaguer
06-11-2007, 05:25 PM
But there are only three months in which Brawl has a high likelyhood of coming out, since it's not on Nintendo's '07 Q3 list of releases, which covers up to October.
jaydawg
06-12-2007, 01:41 AM
I seriously doubt we'll get Brawl earlier than December and even then its a stretch. The snails pace of info (Fox was the update of today) kinda shows that. How the hell is a jump recovery worth putting on the site?
Shifty
06-12-2007, 10:14 AM
I seriously doubt we'll get Brawl earlier than December and even then its a stretch. The snails pace of info (Fox was the update of today) kinda shows that. How the hell is a jump recovery worth putting on the site?
Well they do have 5-6 more months of blogging to do until the release, why blow the load right away? E3 is only a month away. Tuesday before US Thanksgiving is when it probably be out.
spideyboy_1111
06-12-2007, 01:40 PM
it'd be released in nov over dec though... most entertainment things go on sale in nov. for better holiday sales
iambilly81
06-12-2007, 05:45 PM
Well they do have 5-6 more months of blogging to do until the release, why blow the load right away? E3 is only a month away. Tuesday before US Thanksgiving is when it probably be out.
if there going for a holiday release.....this will most likely be it, or around it. they dont want it out to close to christmas, but they also dont want it to soon. plus theyll probly have a ton of wii out there since it seems you cant find any anyplace now or anytime soon..... i bet they got a ton sittin someplace, just waiting.
Telekinetic
06-13-2007, 05:56 PM
i hope they release wii;s that comes with the game.
that would be awesome for all the people just waiting for the
game to come out along with having to buy a wii to play.
Spidey-Bat
06-13-2007, 05:57 PM
They won't. Wii already comes with Wii Sports.
Super Kal
06-13-2007, 06:10 PM
I just read that it was going to be released on December 31st
Telekinetic
06-13-2007, 06:18 PM
They won't. Wii already comes with Wii Sports.
o yeah thats true:dry:
they should invent some kind of package tho.
spideyboy_1111
06-13-2007, 06:57 PM
dec. 31st wouldnt make sense for marketing reasonings
The Leaguer
06-13-2007, 07:17 PM
i hope they release wii;s that comes with the game.
that would be awesome for all the people just waiting for the
game to come out along with having to buy a wii to play.
They will, but not for a while. Companies package a game with the console as an added incentive to purchase the console. Right now the Wii is far too in-demand for Nintendo to essentially throw away the extra $30 or so (since consoles packaged with a game are generally $20 or so more expensive than the console alone) they would make if the customer bought the console and game separately. As for the Wii already being packaged with Wii Sports, it's not unheard of for Nintendo to package a console with more than one game. I recall buying a Super Nintendo packaged with both Super Mario All-Stars and Super Mario World.
dec. 31st wouldnt make sense for marketing reasonings
Actually, it's not quite as bad as you'd expect. They may not make as much money as they would if they launched right before a holiday, but six days after Christmas is still during the post-Christmas spending frenzy, when people are spending their gift cards, gift certificates and holiday cash, as well as making exchanges and returns.
spideyboy_1111
06-13-2007, 07:27 PM
dec 31st is a monday, dont most video games/movies/cd's all come out on tuesdays?
The Leaguer
06-13-2007, 07:28 PM
They usually arrive either on a Tuesday or a Wednesday. I didn't pay attention to the day of the week, I was responding assuming you meant releasing a game soon after Christmas was a marketing mistake.
Archangel
06-14-2007, 10:20 AM
****ing BARRELS AND CRATES. SERIOUSLY?!
These "updates" are getting weaker and weaker...
TheCorpulent1
06-14-2007, 10:24 AM
Hahahaha, that really was a ****ing lame update.
spideyboy_1111
06-14-2007, 10:24 AM
i hate how they update with "givens"... i mean come on... were nut friggin excited about stuff we knew were going to be there
TheCorpulent1
06-14-2007, 10:34 AM
Yeah, I was confused when I saw Fox was an update. Who didn't expect Fox to be in the game? :confused:
spideyboy_1111
06-14-2007, 10:46 AM
it wouldn't surprise me if the next update is mario... :(
Telekinetic
06-14-2007, 10:47 AM
it wouldn't surprise me if the next update is mario... :(
they already did him:dry::dry::dry::dry:
Telekinetic
06-14-2007, 10:48 AM
they already did him:dry::dry::dry::dry:
the only newcomers that has been shown has been Pit.
and that was like 2weeks ago.
TheCorpulent1
06-14-2007, 11:01 AM
I bet Snake is their last update before release.
spideyboy_1111
06-14-2007, 11:32 AM
i hope not.... we'd all be praying for someone big and new to be added, and get him when we know he's there
TheCorpulent1
06-14-2007, 11:49 AM
They're screwing with our heads, dude. They know Smash Bros. is like crack for us. :(
Nathan
06-14-2007, 11:51 AM
****ing Nintendo! Just reveal one new character already. :cmad:
TheCorpulent1
06-14-2007, 12:13 PM
What if Pit and Snake are the only new characters?
Drakon
06-14-2007, 12:14 PM
They aren't. We also got Wario.
Nathan
06-14-2007, 12:16 PM
Well, then I'm not getting the game. Mega Man is the breaking point for me. I know he is a Capcom character, but he had his first appearance on the Nintendo console and with Snake included the doors are wide open for other 3rd party characters. Especially if they are classics like Mega Man.
TheCorpulent1
06-14-2007, 12:32 PM
I'd love to see Mega Man. Or Pac Man, if they could swing that. Hey, Sonic's finally made the jump to a Nintendo console, too...
Telekinetic
06-14-2007, 10:21 PM
what if we only get like 12 characters in total?
i would be pissed.
for some reason im expecting like 20
=/
Spidey-Bat
06-14-2007, 10:33 PM
We're not going to get 12. There were 26 in Melee. We'll get 30 at least.
Timstuff
06-14-2007, 11:52 PM
Am I the only one who hates what they did to Fox? He looks messed up.
TheCorpulent1
06-15-2007, 11:08 AM
He pretty much looks like Fox always has, to me. Scarf around the neck, jacket, pants, boots, and a gun. What's wrong with him?
Samus is up, by the way. Looks basically identical to how Samus has always looked, in every game she's been in, ever.
Archangel
06-15-2007, 11:38 AM
Am I the only one who hates what they did to Fox? He looks messed up.
I agree, he looks terrible. They really should've stuck with the Melee design, where he looked like an actual fox..
I'm happy with the Samus update, a lot of people were worried that the Zero-Suit version was replacing the original, or that it was a Zelda/Sheik thing. Looks like they're seperate characters now, which I prefer.
jaydawg
06-16-2007, 12:16 AM
He pretty much looks like Fox always has, to me. Scarf around the neck, jacket, pants, boots, and a gun. What's wrong with him?
Samus is up, by the way. Looks basically identical to how Samus has always looked, in every game she's been in, ever.
Yeah, but shes far more detailed here than she was in smash bros, which thank god for that, because a lot of screens have next to no difference from melee.
Telekinetic
06-18-2007, 11:45 AM
The site was updated with links super brawl attack or w/e you call it.
updates are sucking hardcore.
TheCorpulent1
06-18-2007, 12:37 PM
Yeah, but shes far more detailed here than she was in smash bros, which thank god for that, because a lot of screens have next to no difference from melee.
Well, it's a bright, cartoony game. You don't really need details, just vibrant colors. Hell, I can still play the N64 game and be happy. The graphics aren't important, the action is.
The Leaguer
06-18-2007, 01:02 PM
http://dragonballarena.gamesurf.it/immagini/psg/scouter4.jpghttp://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/fox/fox_070611d-l.jpg
It's over 9000!!!!
Drakon
06-18-2007, 01:14 PM
Damnit, you beat me to it by ten minutes. :(
TheCorpulent1
06-18-2007, 02:19 PM
Fox is gonna go Super-Saiyan. That's it, game over.
hippie_hunter
06-18-2007, 02:38 PM
I agree, he looks terrible. They really should've stuck with the Melee design, where he looked like an actual fox..
I'm happy with the Samus update, a lot of people were worried that the Zero-Suit version was replacing the original, or that it was a Zelda/Sheik thing. Looks like they're seperate characters now, which I prefer.
I believe that it is going to be a Zelda/Shiek thing.
The lack of Captain Falcon makes me sad.
Super Kal
06-18-2007, 04:17 PM
we don't know that yet...
The lack of Captain Falcon so far makes me sad.
Telekinetic
06-18-2007, 08:31 PM
i hated how Ganadorf was a cheap clone of him.
Captain Falcons/Sheikes punches reminded me of fighting
from Dragon Ball Z.
Telekinetic
06-19-2007, 10:36 AM
the new pikachu update made me chuckle. :D
hippie_hunter
06-20-2007, 12:12 PM
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/367072
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/380810
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/384023
spideyboy_1111
06-20-2007, 02:00 PM
mewtwo was friggin awsome in that
Telekinetic
06-20-2007, 10:53 PM
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/367072
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/380810
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/384023
i thought it was gameplay footage :dry:
anywhoo where was zelda/shiek ???
and the ice climbers should of been massacred in that.
Super Kal
06-24-2007, 10:23 AM
is there an official release date yet?
The Leaguer
06-24-2007, 12:28 PM
Of course not, that would assume that Nintendo actually gives a s***.
Archangel
06-25-2007, 09:30 AM
Zelda! Zelda!
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/zelda/zelda.jpg
TheCorpulent1
06-25-2007, 09:42 AM
Er... didn't Zelda used to be blonde? :confused:
The lack of Captain Falcon so far makes me sad.
Ditto. Captain Falcon and Fox have been the characters I tend to play most since the N64 Smash Bros. If he's not in Brawl, I will weep. :(
The spaceship map update looks cool. I wonder if all of the maps are going to have major changes of scenery while you fight...
Spidey-Bat
06-25-2007, 10:11 AM
She looks more blonde in the other screencaps
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/zelda/zelda_070625a-l.jpg
The Leaguer
06-25-2007, 11:07 AM
Of course Falcon will be in the game. It's just a matter of time.
Telekinetic
06-25-2007, 11:24 AM
Beat me to it:oldrazz:
but im not sure if i like her new look yet..:huh:
kinda liked the blonde and pink outfit.
now its brunette and purple. and she looks older.
hmmnn....
TheCorpulent1
06-25-2007, 11:26 AM
Of course Falcon will be in the game. It's just a matter of time.
But you don't know. :o
Telekinetic
06-25-2007, 11:30 AM
Yeah imsure he'll be in too.
They cant leave one of the strongest/popular characters out.
hippie_hunter
06-25-2007, 11:48 AM
They have to put in all the characters that were in Smash Bros Brawl. It would be a crime if they didn't.
Telekinetic
06-25-2007, 11:57 AM
Yeah it would be alet down.
but i wouldent miss characters like jigglypuff and iceclimbers if they werent in it.
Telekinetic
06-25-2007, 12:12 PM
They have to put in all the characters that were in Smash Bros Brawl. It would be a crime if they didn't.
Actually i just found this:
Not all characters will return from Super Smash Bros. Melee however, as stated on Sakurai's blog.
from wiki but its officially off of that guys blog, who does the site updates.
TheCorpulent1
06-25-2007, 12:24 PM
Well, there were a lot of characters in Melee. I wouldn't mind seeing Mr. Game & Watch or MewTwo or some of the others outside of the core guys, Ice Climbers, and the Fire Emblem guys get bumped off. Like Gannon, who was just a slower, medieval Captain Falcon.
Yeah it would be alet down.
but i wouldent miss characters like jigglypuff and iceclimbers if they werent in it.
**** that, I loved the Ice Climbers.
Spidey-Bat
06-25-2007, 12:55 PM
They should get rid of the Fire Emblem guys. The series never hit it off in the US.
TheCorpulent1
06-25-2007, 01:08 PM
Who cares about the game's popularity? Roy and Marth were awesome additions to Smash Bros. It's not like we see F-Zero games coming out every year, yet Captain Falcon is still a stalwart of the Smash crowd.
Hell yeah. I've stuck with Falcon since the 64 days.
Telekinetic
06-25-2007, 02:13 PM
Who cares about the game's popularity? Roy and Marth were awesome additions to Smash Bros. It's not like we see F-Zero games coming out every year, yet Captain Falcon is still a stalwart of the Smash crowd.
I thought Roy and Marth were pretty cool.
Never used them tho, they too were to similar to each other.
If they keep them around, they need to diversify them more.
TheCorpulent1
06-25-2007, 02:18 PM
I agree. Roy was perfect in Melee, but I wouldn't mind seeing some tweaks made to differentiate Marth a bit more, rather than just keeping him as a weaker version of Roy.
Drakon
06-25-2007, 02:34 PM
So, does, like, ANYONE just play with Mario or Luigi anymore?
Mario yes. Dr. Mario and Luigi no. You know, I wonder if they will make any more tweaks to Luigi so he differs from Mario some more.
GekigangerV
06-25-2007, 03:27 PM
Mario yes. Dr. Mario and Luigi no. You know, I wonder if they will make any more tweaks to Luigi so he differs from Mario some more.
It would be interesting to see him with his Luigi's Mansion vacuum cleaner.
Telekinetic
06-25-2007, 04:04 PM
I use to play as Mario.
Luigi would get me killed all the time with that rocked headbash move he had.
and Dr Mario was just retarded.
hippie_hunter
06-25-2007, 04:13 PM
Mario yes. Dr. Mario and Luigi no. You know, I wonder if they will make any more tweaks to Luigi so he differs from Mario some more.
They should make Dr. Mario a skin of Mario. That along with Super Mario.
Telekinetic
06-25-2007, 04:14 PM
Yeah that character slot could of be filled by someone else.
I think this thread should of has a poll to see who the fans wanted in.
Super Kal
06-25-2007, 05:42 PM
I agree. Roy was perfect in Melee, but I wouldn't mind seeing some tweaks made to differentiate Marth a bit more, rather than just keeping him as a weaker version of Roy.
lol, what are you kidding me!?
Marth was a great character... better than Roy IMO.
I was God with Marth...
spideyboy_1111
06-25-2007, 06:32 PM
zelda looks awsome, i love the way she looks
Telekinetic
06-25-2007, 06:45 PM
Im still unsure if i like her drastic change.
Iw onder how Shiek will come out looking.
spideyboy_1111
06-25-2007, 07:08 PM
Im still unsure if i like her drastic change.
Iw onder how Shiek will come out looking.
a slight brown tint to her hair and pink to purple in a dress is a drastic change?
Telekinetic
06-25-2007, 07:20 PM
Well i just thought she looked very different.
Im guessing since she lost all the pink and blode,
the more Peach will get of it.
Telekinetic
06-25-2007, 09:19 PM
so they took Zeldas new look from the new recent Legend of Zelda game, Twilight Princess
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b8/PZeldaTP.jpg/290px-PZeldaTP.jpg
spideyboy_1111
06-25-2007, 09:25 PM
i like it, i think it's pretty
Fantastic Fan22
06-25-2007, 11:11 PM
i was thinking about third party characters the other day and while im sure many of us would love to see sonic
i thought crash bandicoot might make a good addition to smash bros, what do you all think?
spideyboy_1111
06-25-2007, 11:17 PM
his mask would be a cool item
hippie_hunter
06-26-2007, 12:37 AM
i was thinking about third party characters the other day and while im sure many of us would love to see sonic
i thought crash bandicoot might make a good addition to smash bros, what do you all think?
Hell no. Crash has been horribly tainted since Sony no longer published the games. Also Nintendo really doesn't have a close relationship with Vivendi compared to Namco, Capcom, Sega, and Konami.
Those are going to be the ones that will get their characters in if they make it and I'm guessing it will be Pac-Man, Mega Man, or Sonic.
spideyboy_1111
06-26-2007, 01:01 AM
well didnt they say there'd be 3? so we know at least 2 more will make it.. most of us think sonic is guaranteed, fighting wise, mega man would be much better then pac-man... but i hope tails is in the game as well
Drakon
06-26-2007, 01:10 AM
It's easier to believe that it'd be Sonic and Tails, as opposed to having them go to three different companies for lisencing issues.
spideyboy_1111
06-26-2007, 01:20 AM
agrees... they'd fit best as well. they should do team combo's.. like a special move sonic and tails could do together, mario and luigi, yoshi and peach, wario and bowser, fox and falco, pickachu and jiggly puff, zelda and link, etc...
TheCorpulent1
06-26-2007, 08:39 AM
Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles would rule. They're always considered a team in the Sonic games with teams. Sonic and Mega Man would be better, though. Nintendo's got enough money to spring for two licenses, right?
So, does, like, ANYONE just play with Mario or Luigi anymore?
My friend favors Luigi because he's trying to master the rocket headbutt thing. Apparently there's a whole style of play built around it that, if you can figure out how the hell to use it, is practically unstoppable. He's pretty good with Luigi, so I can believe it.
lol, what are you kidding me!?
Marth was a great character... better than Roy IMO.
I was God with Marth...
I tended to favor Marth more than Roy at first, but then I realized how much easier it is to take people off the screen with a few well-placed hits from Roy, as opposed to dozens of hits from Marth. Maybe I'm just not good with the Fire Emblem guys. I tend to favor Captain Falcon or Fox or, occasionally, the Ice Climbers.
so they took Zeldas new look from the new recent Legend of Zelda game, Twilight Princess
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That makes sense. I'd expect them to update the look of the characters if a new game featuring them has come out since the last Smash. It'd be kind of weird if we were still playing with the Ocarina of Time's Link after Twilight Princess improved on the model and all.
Archangel
06-26-2007, 11:44 AM
I'm assuming they darkened her hair because of the addition of Zero-Suit Samus, which would have made all 3 main female characters blondes.
Telekinetic
06-26-2007, 12:39 PM
it makes sense.
im liking her new look now.
i wanna see how much theyve changed the rest of the characters!
Super Kal
06-26-2007, 02:40 PM
this is a bit off topic, but does the Wii play those small CDs like the Gamecube did?
Spidey-Bat
06-26-2007, 02:47 PM
The Wii plays GC games but the Wii games are on regular sized CDs.
Archangel
06-26-2007, 02:47 PM
Wii games are normal sized, but it also plays GC games.
Super Kal
06-26-2007, 02:54 PM
The Wii plays GC games but the Wii games are on regular sized CDs.
okay, that makes me very happy... I thought I was gonna have to buy a GC just for SSBM
Super Kal
06-26-2007, 02:57 PM
what about memory?
JustABill
06-26-2007, 03:11 PM
It has an internal flash drive.
Super Kal
06-26-2007, 03:16 PM
so no memory card then...
hmmm... i wonder what this means for other games that used memory cards as part of the game, like Animal Crossing...
ihateusernames
06-26-2007, 05:18 PM
No, you still need a memory card for GCN games.
Super Kal
06-26-2007, 08:05 PM
oh... then does it still have a port for a memory card?
Spidey-Bat
06-26-2007, 08:06 PM
Yes. When it's standing up vertically, the top flap opens. There are 4 GC controller ports and 2 memory card slots.
Super Kal
06-26-2007, 09:45 PM
scratch that... never mind :mad::(
Telekinetic
06-27-2007, 11:37 AM
Banana peal update?
was thier banna peals in the last game? i think this if from super mario kart/donkey kong.
Super Kal
06-27-2007, 11:42 AM
I don't think there were... I certainly don't remember any
Spidey-Bat
06-27-2007, 11:45 AM
There weren't any.
Telekinetic
06-27-2007, 12:53 PM
hmmnn
should be interesting to have them then.
i hope they include the bumper they left out in melee.
TheCorpulent1
06-27-2007, 01:08 PM
That bumper was awesome. I tended to just stop playing and bounce my dude off of it when someone threw it. It was so much fun.
Telekinetic
06-27-2007, 01:48 PM
Yeah i loved it too.
Took me a while to notice it was missing from melee.
So they better have it in this game.
TheCorpulent1
06-27-2007, 01:49 PM
I hope they just take the hammer out. I have never met anyone who liked that stupid hammer.
Midnight Ice
06-27-2007, 01:51 PM
I forgot all about the bumber. Can't remember if I liked it all that well. It would be cool if it came back.:xmen:
Super Kal
06-27-2007, 02:04 PM
I found it to be a nuisance
Telekinetic
06-27-2007, 02:59 PM
The hammer was kinda dumb too.
maybe since everyone has a super power thing, it will be left out.
TheCorpulent1
06-27-2007, 03:03 PM
I hope so. I came to hate that stupid hammer music with a burning passion.
Drakon
06-27-2007, 03:16 PM
I chased my brother around with an inflatable hammer while singing that song.
Golden, I tell ya.
Spidey-Bat
06-27-2007, 03:22 PM
The hammer is awesome. Anyone who hates it sucks.
hey yo its sean
06-27-2007, 03:26 PM
So when are they going to announce Sora and King Mickey?
Brainiac 8
06-27-2007, 03:27 PM
http://nindb.classicgaming.gamespy.com/nus/images/cam/nal_02b.jpghttp://forums.superherohype.com/image.php?u=12349&dateline=1182810940 (http://forums.superherohype.com/member.php?u=12349) "AAAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHHH!!!!":oldrazz:
Brainiac 8
06-27-2007, 03:29 PM
The hammer is awesome. Anyone who hates it sucks.
I agree Spidey, the hammer is a great weapon. Those who hate it probably always get hit by it.:cwink:
Telekinetic
06-27-2007, 03:30 PM
It was to easy to get to it though.
The computer basically gave it to you.
They should at least change it so it has different forms
or something.
Brainiac 8
06-27-2007, 03:38 PM
The worst was when the head of the hammer fell off and you're stuck flailing about with a stick that does nothing to those you are fighting.:woot:
ToddIsDead
06-27-2007, 03:39 PM
I loved the hammer.
Telekinetic
06-27-2007, 03:53 PM
The worst was when the head of the hammer fell off and you're stuck flailing about with a stick that does nothing to those you are fighting.:woot:
And if the other person was smart, they pick up the black thing
and murder you with it :woot:
BRUTAL
06-27-2007, 06:17 PM
Nearly every character has a move that can get through the hammer. Falco works best for me. Mario's cape is pretty fun sometimes as well.
Drakon
06-27-2007, 06:29 PM
I'd always knock them off the ledge when they had the hammer, since they can't save themselves.
BRUTAL
06-27-2007, 06:35 PM
I'd always knock them off the ledge when they had the hammer, since they can't save themselves.
Who do you use? Falco and Fox's Fire Charge thing works best for me. Mario's Cape and Marth and Roy's Deflect work well too...
Telekinetic
06-27-2007, 07:04 PM
Also Links boomarang and Zeldas fire blast worked.
But you could also just throw something at them too.
Brainiac 8
06-27-2007, 10:33 PM
Ness' Psi Fire did the trick also.:woot:
Telekinetic
06-28-2007, 11:09 AM
You can enter individual names for each player. Start by just entering a name.
This time, enter it like you would on your cell phone!
You can also use random names.
Once it’s entered, choose your name for your character on the character-selection screen before you begin fighting.
The character-selection screen is still a secret!
This time, names are extremely important. That’s because we’ve included personalized button configurations.
We’ve made this game compatible with four different controllers:
Wii Remote(turned on its side),Nunchuk(Wii Remote+Nunchuk),Classic Controller,GameCube Controller
You can change button configurations for each one for each registered name, and alter those configurations any way you like.
Assigning personal button configurations each time you fight would be a bit of a pain...but if you just choose your name from the list, BAM! You get to play with your preferred configuration! There’s no waiting!
We’re also considering allowing you to save your name to the memory in your Wii Remote so you can bring your settings with you to your friend’s house...
But if we can’t make that happen, I apologize
i dont get it?
TheCorpulent1
06-28-2007, 11:21 AM
I have a feeling I'm gonna wind up sticking with the Gamecube controller for Brawl.
Brainiac 8
06-28-2007, 11:30 AM
Actually I agree Corp...I'll try all the play methods to see how I like them...but I'm pretty sure I'll probably stick with the Gamecube controller..it just works well with the Smash Bros games.
TheCorpulent1
06-28-2007, 11:32 AM
Everything I come up with for how one might control it using a Wiimote and Nunchuk just strikes me as awkward. Of course, I haven't really been comfortable using the Wiimote in anything other than Mario Party.
Brainiac 8
06-28-2007, 11:50 AM
Yea, I don't know how you would use it in SSBB.
However, I haven't had any trouble using it on games that implement it well. Wii Sports, Wii Play, Elebits, Trauma Center: SO, Rayman: RR, Mario Pary 8, and even Spider-Man 3 (even though the game is crap) all worked well I thought.
Transformers isn't quite as good, but only because of the horribly wonky camera/remote thing it does.
But mostly, the remote just comes naturally to me, and I really enjoy the interactivity it gives me when playing the games. But it's all in how the company choosed to implement the controls. There are certain games that just would work on another system without this type of control scheme (Elebits and Trauma Center) and they are just a blast to play IMO.
But to each his own.
TheCorpulent1
06-28-2007, 12:00 PM
Oh yeah, I like it in Wii Sports, too. But that's kind of a given, since the games were essentially built around it. I've heard it's fantastic with the remake of Resident Evil 4, which I could see.
How do you use it in 3rd-person games like Spider-Man 3?
Brainiac 8
06-28-2007, 12:14 PM
Oh yeah, I like it in Wii Sports, too. But that's kind of a given, since the games were essentially built around it. I've heard it's fantastic with the remake of Resident Evil 4, which I could see.
How do you use it in 3rd-person games like Spider-Man 3?
The combat is quite unimaginative, but it works well. You sort of wave the remote to one side to attack, then the other side to combo, then press A to finish it off with a strong attack. Sort of a waggle/wave motion.
But the strong point in the controls with that was the web swinging, and I like it better than the other controllers on PS3 and PS2.
Your Nunchuck is Spidey's left hand and the remote is his right hand. You press the Z button and make a flick gesture, and he shoots a web line from that hand, and when you are up and swinging, you press the B button and flick the right hand to shoot out a web line from that hand. It makes for quite a unique web swinging experience and is the Diamond in the crap that is Spider-Man 3, and one of the only reasons I bother with the game.
It's quite ingenius..and I hope they make a real Spidey game with some actual effort with the same swinging mechanics.
TheCorpulent1
06-28-2007, 12:38 PM
Eh. I liked the PS2 swinging method a lot, actually. The Wii version sounds really confusing, and I'd probably end up screwing it up.
Brainiac 8
06-28-2007, 12:43 PM
It has a learning curve to it, but after about ten minutes of practice it just clicks.
But I don't know if a swing simulator by itself is worth subjecting yourself to that game.:csad:
TheCorpulent1
06-28-2007, 02:20 PM
Oh, I'm sure I'll play it eventually. It'll probably be on the PS3 or 360, though.
SlyGuyTtjn
06-28-2007, 06:33 PM
So SSBB, is coming out when exactly?
spideyboy_1111
06-28-2007, 06:38 PM
no release date yet
SlyGuyTtjn
06-28-2007, 06:39 PM
no release date yet
Thanks.
Well am I the only one who thinks they should do one of these for Xbox or Playstation characters? Maybe geared more towards adults?
spideyboy_1111
06-28-2007, 06:43 PM
Thanks.
Well am I the only one who thinks they should do one of these for Xbox or Playstation characters? Maybe geared more towards adults?
no, were getting solid snake, thats all you need
Telekinetic
06-28-2007, 07:41 PM
Thanks.
Well am I the only one who thinks they should do one of these for Xbox or Playstation characters? Maybe geared more towards adults?
no, were getting solid snake, thats all you need
I think what he means is there should be a game similar to this
involving non nintendo related characters for the PS2 and Xbox
I agree it would be fun to see more of theese kind of games around other than the smash bros. franchise.
spideyboy_1111
06-28-2007, 07:48 PM
ahh ok, that makes more sense...
Telekinetic
06-28-2007, 08:04 PM
Sure does.
Do you think they will finish all the updates to the site before the game
comes out?
SlyGuyTtjn
06-28-2007, 08:45 PM
I think what he means is there should be a game similar to this
involving non nintendo related characters for the PS2 and Xbox
I agree it would be fun to see more of theese kind of games around other than the smash bros. franchise.
Exactly, thanks.
Telekinetic
06-28-2007, 09:43 PM
Exactly, thanks.
no prob:up:
have to say, the vid in your sig is pretty intresting :woot:
SlyGuyTtjn
06-29-2007, 06:41 AM
no prob:up:
have to say, the vid in your sig is pretty intresting :woot:
haha thanks. (The trend we created in Ohio) Called Bush jumping.. Just jump into a bush.. Quite random, but fun.:woot: :whatever: (That vid was called DPN 4.. look up the other 3 if you want. We might've taken the 1st or 2nd down cuz of our parents looking for them)
jaydawg
06-29-2007, 03:03 PM
Someone posted a wii-nunchuk mock up a while ago that actually seems like a pretty good mock up. I think the straight wiimote is easily going to be the worst. Thinking about how to do thinks like grab and shield just seems odd, especially on as something that was essentially built for NES games.
Telekinetic
06-29-2007, 04:50 PM
im sticking with the GC remote on this one.
itll probably be easiest to play on.
Brainiac 8
06-29-2007, 04:57 PM
I will be trying the remote/nunchuck style out...but I'll probably end up using the GC controller 99.9% of the time.
Telekinetic
06-29-2007, 06:24 PM
Yeah
ill experiment with all remotes to see how it is too.
Grievous
06-29-2007, 10:14 PM
http://revolution.ign.com/articles/707/707504p1.html
Solid Snake! Pit!
looks like a cool game but I don't have a wii so I won't be buying.
spidey-dude
06-30-2007, 01:42 PM
haha thanks. (The trend we created in Ohio) Called Bush jumping.. Just jump into a bush.. Quite random, but fun.:woot: :whatever: (That vid was called DPN 4.. look up the other 3 if you want. We might've taken the 1st or 2nd down cuz of our parents looking for them)
ha bush jumping! I used to do that when I was like 14, was fun....till I jumped off a shed into a bush with a wasps nest in it....and found out I was allergic to wasp stings.....
Super Kal
06-30-2007, 02:02 PM
I'm getting a Wii in the next few weeks fro this game and and SSBM and a few other games as well... any suggestions on what I need to get?
Spidey-Bat
06-30-2007, 02:04 PM
You'll need to get a GC controller and GC Memory card to play SSBM and save the data.
Telekinetic
06-30-2007, 02:43 PM
Ill be getting a Wii in august. cant wait!
are they still hard to get? or are they finally available at places
like target and stuff?
Fantastic Fan22
06-30-2007, 03:25 PM
ive seen them avaliable at most places
Super Kal
06-30-2007, 04:22 PM
that's good to know
Drakon
06-30-2007, 07:21 PM
Question for you Wii-ners out there.
I know that the Wii can use GC controllers, no problem. But does that include Wavebirds, or are the receivers too bulky?
Spidey-Bat
06-30-2007, 07:43 PM
You can use the Wavebird. I always use mine when I play.
Drakon
06-30-2007, 07:43 PM
Sweet. Thanks.
GekigangerV
07-02-2007, 08:26 AM
Today's update was actually interesting
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/index.html
Assist Trophies.
They appear to be Pokeballs for non-Pokemon.
Telekinetic
07-02-2007, 11:25 AM
Thoose are pretty cool.
And if Samurai Goro is one of those assist things, Captain Falcon is a given in the game.
Spidey-Bat
07-02-2007, 12:08 PM
Samurai Goro should be a ****ing character :o
Capt. Falcon will be in the game. If any character were to go, it'd probably be Pichu, Dr. Mario, or Game & Watch.
Telekinetic
07-02-2007, 01:29 PM
Game and Watch wasnt that bad. Atleast he wasnt a clone.
spideyboy_1111
07-02-2007, 04:39 PM
wait, are we even sure samuari goro is an assist..? why create a seperate bracket for him?
spideyboy_1111
07-02-2007, 04:40 PM
o wait, nvm, had to read it... :(
btw the assist trophies do sound pretty awsome
TheCorpulent1
07-02-2007, 04:49 PM
Today's update was actually interesting
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/index.html
Assist Trophies.
They appear to be Pokeballs for non-Pokemon.
Heh, that's exactly what I thought when I read it. Still, it may just be an expansion on an existing idea, but it's a really good expansion that probably should've been done before. I wonder if they'll even have an utterly useless Assist Trophy version of Goldeen. Like Rush if Mega Man makes it in, or Princess Sally if Sonic does. :up:
Telekinetic
07-02-2007, 05:29 PM
They can throw all the characters like Dr mario and stuff like that and turn them into assist characters
Does anyone wanna see Birdo as a playable? she would be cool aswell as Toad.
TheCorpulent1
07-02-2007, 06:06 PM
Birdo would own. I'd also like to see Toadstool do more than hide in Peach's dress. He'd make a great Assist Trophy.
SlyGuyTtjn
07-02-2007, 06:43 PM
Game and Watch wasnt that bad. Atleast he wasnt a clone.
Yeah I think Jiggly Puff, and Pichu and Dr. Mario are kinda lame.
TheCorpulent1
07-02-2007, 06:44 PM
Jigglypuff's whole purpose is to be lame. That's his charm. :)
spideyboy_1111
07-02-2007, 06:49 PM
Yeah I think Jiggly Puff, and Pichu and Dr. Mario are kinda lame.
jiggly puff is actually one of the most powerful players, if you use him/her/it right
spideyboy_1111
07-02-2007, 06:49 PM
Jigglypuff's whole purpose is to be lame. That's his charm. :)
cute and charming, but packs a punch :)
TheCorpulent1
07-02-2007, 06:54 PM
Yeah, it has that one good move that knocks you off the screen in like two hits. But you just have to keep moving and it'll basically never get a chance to use it.
spideyboy_1111
07-02-2007, 07:01 PM
ya, but ive seen some excellent players at school devestate people with her they have SSBM tournaments all the time since our school has alot of game art students
Super Kal
07-02-2007, 07:30 PM
ya, but ive seen some excellent players at school devestate people with her they have SSBM tournaments all the time since our school has alot of game art students
the last time I was in a SSB tournament was in 10th grade... I mopped up everyone with Marth on SSBM and Captain Falco on SSB
Telekinetic
07-02-2007, 07:44 PM
i wish we had tournaments over here :whatever:
GekigangerV
07-02-2007, 09:55 PM
http://blog.wired.com/games/2007/07/nintendo-smash-.html
Not playable at E3.
Telekinetic
07-02-2007, 10:11 PM
Disappointing news for Nintendo fans looking for hands-on impressions of Super Smash Bros. Brawl -- the Wii fighting game won't be playable at next week's E3.
ahhhhh that sucks.
Super Kal
07-02-2007, 11:59 PM
well, I can't go anyways, so it's not like I'm missing anything
JustABill
07-03-2007, 05:10 AM
Bowser was added to the list of returning fighters.
Super Kal
07-03-2007, 10:19 AM
awesome
Telekinetic
07-03-2007, 11:16 AM
well, I can't go anyways, so it's not like I'm missing anything
me either but that could of meant we could of had some gameplay vids.
and im glad we have bowser, he wasnt that bad.
Spidey-Bat
07-03-2007, 11:22 AM
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/bowser/bowser.jpg
He looks awesome :o
TheCorpulent1
07-03-2007, 11:27 AM
Haha, he looks very mischievous there.
Telekinetic
07-03-2007, 11:29 AM
i wonder what his "super" attack will be, im guessing a flamethrower.
JustABill
07-03-2007, 11:36 AM
Bowser does look rather awesome doesn't he. I wish they'd announce another new character we don't know about though.
Telekinetic
07-03-2007, 12:02 PM
Yeah same here.
iambilly81
07-03-2007, 08:49 PM
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/images/assist02/assist02_070702a.jpg
They did the other day but i dont think anyone noticed. captain falcons rival.... samurai Goro
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/images/assist02/assist02_070702c-l.jpg
Telekinetic
07-03-2007, 08:51 PM
We talked about that on the previous page.
spideyboy_1111
07-03-2007, 09:31 PM
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/images/assist02/assist02_070702a.jpg
They did the other day but i dont think anyone noticed. captain falcons rival.... samurai Goro
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/images/assist02/assist02_070702c-l.jpg
and he's not a player, just pretty much an item
Spidey-Bat
07-03-2007, 09:48 PM
He should be a ****ing character :o
Telekinetic
07-03-2007, 10:05 PM
Agreed. He looks pretty cool and were missing a samurai in the game.
hippie_hunter
07-04-2007, 12:08 AM
Now that I think about it, I'm surprised that Yoshi hasn't been confirmed yet. Considering that they've already shown Yoshi's Island.
spideyboy_1111
07-04-2007, 03:02 AM
well both trailers showed Zero suit samus, meta knight, and snake and all 3 still arnt on the list
ihateusernames
07-04-2007, 06:33 AM
anyone else see Bowsers super smash attack?
you can turn into Giga Bowser!
Telekinetic
07-04-2007, 11:27 AM
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/bowser/bowser_070704d.jpg
looks sweet!
Spidey-Bat
07-04-2007, 11:41 AM
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/bowser/bowser_070704b-l.jpg
THAT'S ****ING AWESOME
Super Kal
07-04-2007, 03:36 PM
YES!!! I've been waiting for Giga Bowser as a playable character, even if it is only a transformation
The Leaguer
07-04-2007, 03:40 PM
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/7/7d/300px-TokkaRahzarTMNTMovie.jpg
Where's Rahzar? :confused:
Drakon
07-04-2007, 03:45 PM
That Giga Bowser....actually......looks kinda....scary. :csad:
spideyboy_1111
07-04-2007, 09:32 PM
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/7/7d/300px-TokkaRahzarTMNTMovie.jpg
Where's Rahzar? :confused:
cant you tell? giga bowsers both of them
JustABill
07-05-2007, 07:25 AM
Update on attacks today.
Ugh. Nintendo is a cocktease.
Telekinetic
07-05-2007, 10:24 AM
thats was a boring update.
Telekinetic
07-06-2007, 10:29 AM
new stage
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/images/stage05/stage05_070706a.jpg
Bridge of Eldin
Spidey-Bat
07-06-2007, 11:04 AM
Awesome :o
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