Official ULTIMATE X-MEN Discussion Thread

[Colossal Spoons]

If I had a vial full of Banshee's tears and told you it'd get you high, you'd take it right along w/ me :o

Yes, tears. Not whatever perverted business you were thinking of. You big pervy pervert.

[PWN3R]

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ULTIMATE X-MEN #96
Written by ARON ELI COLIETE
Penciled by MARK BROOKS
Cover by GABRIELE DELL’OTTO
X-Men vs. X-Men! After their attack on Alpha Flight, Colossus and his team are wanted fugitives! Worse, they’ve become addicted to the insidious drug known as Banshee! Now it’s up to the other X-Men to take them down. Yes, it’s mutant vs. mutant! When the X-Men go to war with each other, who wins? Plus, the startling revelation of Jean Grey! Where did she go after defeating Apocalypse? Find out here!
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99

*goes weak at the knees*
*drools*

That cover is so :heart:.

[Colossal Spoons]

Feckin right!

[AndThePickles]

He's so shiny :heart:

[javon]

Wait, Jean disappeared? Colosuss has a team? Was all this in 92?!

[Venom160]

Wait, Jean disappeared? Colosuss has a team? Was all this in 92?!no it must happen in the final part of the Apoc arc. Good work spoiling that marvel.

[Mogwai]

^^agreed.

[El Bastardo]

1. It's the name of the game with solicitations. Don't want something possibly spoiled? Don't read the solicitation!

2. Come on, please. Did anyone really think after seeing Phoenix bust out at the end of last issue that she wouldn't be involved in defeating Apocalypse?

[Charlie No-One]

I am really looking forward to seeing more Northstar and Colossus. That will be refreshing.

[Mogwai]

^^same here. in the mean time though, i'm loving how apocalypse is just trouncing like every hero in the ultimate universe, lol.

[javon]

I FINALLY got 92 and I see what the buzz is about. It was a REALLY good issue, can't wait for 93. And is Kirkman officially gone?

[Brand]

I FINALLY got 92 and I see what the buzz is about. It was a REALLY good issue, can't wait for 93. And is Kirkman officially gone?

This last arc sounds like it's been a bit better than what we normally get out of Kirkman, but it still doesn't make up for all the crap we've had to go through. And, yes, this is the end of Kirkman's run on Ultimate X-Men. Aron Coleite takes over as of issue #94.

[PhoenixWillRise]

http://i.newsarama.com/marvelnew/July2008/full/ultxm96.jpg
ULTIMATE X-MEN #96
Written by ARON ELI COLIETE
Penciled by MARK BROOKS
Cover by GABRIELE DELL’OTTO
X-Men vs. X-Men! After their attack on Alpha Flight, Colossus and his team are wanted fugitives! Worse, they’ve become addicted to the insidious drug known as Banshee! Now it’s up to the other X-Men to take them down. Yes, it’s mutant vs. mutant! When the X-Men go to war with each other, who wins? Plus, the startling revelation of Jean Grey! Where did she go after defeating Apocalypse? Find out here!
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99

WOW.... OMFG.... all i can say...

(BTW.. who is that in his reflection, Wolverine?)

[Harlekin]

Yeah, you can see by the hair. Thought it was Dracula first though.

[Mogwai]

so, they are hinting at colossus being the new team leader? good news i think. can't wait to see who's on his team (i bet cyclops isn't).

[The Original Bamfer]

Yeah, you can see by the hair. Thought it was Dracula first though.

The claws were what gave it away to me.

[Brand]

so, they are hinting at colossus being the new team leader? good news i think. can't wait to see who's on his team (i bet cyclops isn't).

I don't see Cyclops stepping down unless it's a temporary thing (maybe he goes chasing after Jean). They might keep two teams with Colossus taking over the new group--he was originally supposed to be the leader of the team that was introduced in Giant Sized X-Men #1, after all. Depending on how many come out of the Apocalypse arc, there might be a few too many team members for a single roster.

[Havok83]

I hope they give Collossus more of a personality. He's kind of been bland for quite some time. I'd like to see him turn into a badass and step up. Aside from his sexuality, he hasnt been too different from his 616 coutnerpart

[Colossal Spoons]

Whoa whoa you conclusion jumpers! Haha, I think "Colossus' team" just refers to his classmates at Emma's school. I don't see Petey leading anything. That'd be so out of character, considering he just wants to be a farmboy.

[Havok83]

Whoa whoa you conclusion jumpers! Haha, I think "Colossus' team" just refers to his classmates at Emma's school. I don't see Petey leading anything. That'd be so out of character, considering he just wants to be a farmboy.
thats something I would change. Id kill Northstar off, which would hence push him in a direction which would give him more of an edge. He becomes darker, and more ruthless. That dream of being a farmboy would go out the window and instead of turning away from his previous mob connection, he'd embrace it.

[Colossal Spoons]

Sounds good to me :up:

[El Bastardo]

Yes, because we can never get enough of angsty heroes gone dark and emo and boohiss I am ANGRY in superhero comics. :whatever:

[Brand]

Whoa whoa you conclusion jumpers!

Better to jump the conclusion than the shark, I always say. :woot:

Haha, I think "Colossus' team" just refers to his classmates at Emma's school. I don't see Petey leading anything. That'd be so out of character, considering he just wants to be a farmboy.

Maybe. If that's the case, it might be interesting to see an arc or two focused on Emma's kids. Also, we find out some more about her connection to the HFC--I'm still hoping it's all a setup and she's not really evil.

thats something I would change. Id kill Northstar off, which would hence push him in a direction which would give him more of an edge. He becomes darker, and more ruthless. That deam of being a farmboy would go out the window and instead of turning away from his previous mob connection, he'd embrace it.

That would be cool, but Colossus' mob connections haven't even been mentioned (to my knowledge) since Millar's run. I don't hold out much hope for them coming back. Probably the last time we saw Piotr even close to that was the scene where Kitty was getting a tour of the mansion one morning and Colossus came in carrying a bullet-riddled Wolverine.

[Telekinetic]

So ive been out of the ultimate loop for a while, who has died? seems someone dies every two issues. and ult. banshee made an appearance?

and how is psylocke ?

[Havok83]

So ive been out of the ultimate loop for a while, who has died? seems someone dies every two issues. and ult. banshee made an appearance?

and how is psylocke ?
Nah, Banshee hasnt appeared yet.

Angel, Bishop and Sinister were all killed off in the same issue. Sinister though transformed into Apocalypse after he died

Psylocke is currently apart of Bishop's team or whats left of it. It was revealed that they marry sometime in the future, but they may not happen now

[Colossal Spoons]

Future Bishop died. She could always meet and marry present day Bishop ;)

[Havok83]

Future Bishop died. She could always meet and marry present day Bishop ;)
good point. Didnt even think of that

[Hyperion1320]

That would be cool, but Colossus' mob connections haven't even been mentioned (to my knowledge) since Millar's run. I don't hold out much hope for them coming back. Probably the last time we saw Piotr even close to that was the scene where Kitty was getting a tour of the mansion one morning and Colossus came in carrying a bullet-riddled Wolverine.

Wasn't there a scene somewhere along the way where they 'severed' his mob connections? I think Wolvie had something to do with that.

Personally, I think that was a nice origin, so far as Piotr doing what he could to survive as a young, misguided mutant, but I don't think he should move backwards and go back to them. He's got a boyfriend and has come to terms with his powers and I think he should move forward in this regard. I'm interested to see this new storyline.

[Brand]

Wasn't there a scene somewhere along the way where they 'severed' his mob connections? I think Wolvie had something to do with that.

I believe you're referring to an incident where a mobster from Russia had moved to the U.S. and was trying to threaten Colossus' family (or something like that). Scott and Logan dropped by the guy's place and told him to leave Piotr alone. Politely, of course. :cwink:

That took place in the early issues under Millar, though I'd have to search for the exact issue number. That scene was just about that particular mobster and didn't cut Piotr off from Russia's mob. He did that himself by getting out and staying out, even though early on he was shown as a darker character--patrolling the streets at night with Wolverine, for one thing.

Personally, I think that was a nice origin, so far as Piotr doing what he could to survive as a young, misguided mutant, but I don't think he should move backwards and go back to them. He's got a boyfriend and has come to terms with his powers and I think he should move forward in this regard. I'm interested to see this new storyline.

I wouldn't necessarily want him to go back to the mob, but I would like to see him get a bit of that edge that he had back in the early days. It helped separate him from the 616 version. These days, the only real difference between the two is their sexual preferences.

[Telekinetic]

Nah, Banshee hasnt appeared yet.

Angel, Bishop and Sinister were all killed off in the same issue. Sinister though transformed into Apocalypse after he died

Psylocke is currently apart of Bishop's team or whats left of it. It was revealed that they marry sometime in the future, but they may not happen now


cool,thanks :woot:

would of thought there was gonna be a psylocke/angel interaction
before his death tho, unless he is coming back as archangel ?

[Specter313]

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Ultimate X-Men #93 will arrive in stores on April 30 from Marvel Comics. The issue is written by Robert Kirkman, with art and cover by Salvador Larroca.

Here's how Marvel describes the issue:

"It¹s Kirkman¹s final issue of Ultimate X-Men -- and he¹s going out with a bang! Has the worst happened? Has Apocalypse triumphed? If so, there is only one force in the universe with the power to end his iron fisted reign. But it is a power of such magnitude that its slightest misuse could bring about the end of all things!"

Ultimate X-Men #93 will be 32 pages and will cost $2.99

[Hyperion1320]

The art here is awesome! An interesting version of the Phoenix. Can't wait to see how Jean reconciles this powerset...

[javon]

Yeah the art is good, this issue looks worthy of buying.

[Charlie No-One]

Great issue. Looks like things may be going back to the way they once were.

[El Bastardo]

Wasn't there a scene somewhere along the way where they 'severed' his mob connections? I think Wolvie had something to do with that.

I believe you're referring to an incident where a mobster from Russia had moved to the U.S. and was trying to threaten Colossus' family (or something like that). Scott and Logan dropped by the guy's place and told him to leave Piotr alone. Politely, of course. :cwink:

That took place in the early issues under Millar, though I'd have to search for the exact issue number. That scene was just about that particular mobster and didn't cut Piotr off from Russia's mob. He did that himself by getting out and staying out, even though early on he was shown as a darker character--patrolling the streets at night with Wolverine, for one thing.
It was Cyclops and Piotr, I'm pretty sure. Wolverine had nothing to do with the severing (was he humping Jean at the time?). The scene involves a Cyclops blast that bounces off Colossus's armored skin - after, Colossus questions how Cyclops knew the blast would bounce off, and Cyclops admits that he didn't.

I'm pretty sure it's in the first arc. I could grab the TPB, but I'm not. But I might if you want me to. Or maybe it's in the third.

[Colossal Spoons]

Wow, Jean is pwnin him! :up:

[Brand]

It was Cyclops and Piotr, I'm pretty sure. Wolverine had nothing to do with the severing (was he humping Jean at the time?). The scene involves a Cyclops blast that bounces off Colossus's armored skin - after, Colossus questions how Cyclops knew the blast would bounce off, and Cyclops admits that he didn't.

I'm pretty sure it's in the first arc. I could grab the TPB, but I'm not. But I might if you want me to. Or maybe it's in the third.

I'd forgotten about that. The Cyke/Wolverine scene took place early on in UXM; the Cyke/Piotr team-up occurred during the first Sinister arc, which would make it one of Vaughn's arcs (UXM #48). The X-Men go to the city to try and track the person who is killing mutants as Sinister heads for the mansion. Cyke and Colossus get paired up and they check out the Russian mob for information, which naturally leads to violence. Scott ends the fight by bouncing an optic blast off Piotr's forehead and just walks away when asked if he knew it would ricochet.

Wow, Jean is pwnin him! :up:

Definitely. Part of me hopes Apocalypse can put up at least some semblance of resistance. If not, Marvel will have spoiled virtually the entire fight and all this build-up will be a bit of a letdown.

[tank girl]

can someone tell me the issue..

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[javon]

Wow, Jean is pwnin him! :up:
Yeah, i'm actually looking forward to more Phoenix.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

can someone tell me the issue..

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Huh... New X-Men 150 and 154, if I recall correctly...?

What the hell is that request doing in the Ultimate thread, lol?

[Colossal Spoons]

lol random

[El Bastardo]

I'd forgotten about that. The Cyke/Wolverine scene took place early on in UXM; the Cyke/Piotr team-up occurred during the first Sinister arc, which would make it one of Vaughn's arcs (UXM #48). The X-Men go to the city to try and track the person who is killing mutants as Sinister heads for the mansion. Cyke and Colossus get paired up and they check out the Russian mob for information, which naturally leads to violence. Scott ends the fight by bouncing an optic blast off Piotr's forehead and just walks away when asked if he knew it would ricochet.
Ah, yes. Right, right. Thank you.

[tank girl]

Huh... New X-Men 150 and 154, if I recall correctly...?

What the hell is that request doing in the Ultimate thread, lol?

oh man i thought the lettering implied it was ultimate stuff

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Nope, that's Ems and Cyke after Planet X.

[Havok83]

Nope, that's Ems and Cyke after Planet X.
in one of the most truly disgusting scenes to ever grace an X-men comic

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

in one of the most truly disgusting scenes to ever grace an X-men comic

Disgusting in the 'no respect for the dead broad' sense, sure. Really, was it that hard - no freakin pun intended - to just have that talk at least thirty feet away from the grave or something? :wow:

EDIT: Come to think of it, considering Ems' insecurity issues regarding Jean, it was a pretty ballsy move.

[Havok83]

Disgusting in the 'no respect for the dead broad' sense, sure. Really, was it that hard - no freakin pun intended - to just have that talk at least thirty feet away from the grave or something? :wow:

EDIT: Come to think of it, considering Ems' insecurity issues regarding Jean, it was a pretty ballsy move.
As a Jean fan and Jean/Scott fan it was hard enough to endure the crap that Morrison threw their way over the course of his run and them him killing her off, but having Scott make out with Emma, who was dressed like an absolute ho, on top of her grave, like 5 minutes after she died, was like one big final slap in the face. He really didnt have to go there and it forever soured this new pairing for me and had me drop Cyclops as one of my favorite characters

[DJSCARLET]

Disgusting in the 'no respect for the dead broad' sense, sure. Really, was it that hard - no freakin pun intended - to just have that talk at least thirty feet away from the grave or something? :wow:

EDIT: Come to think of it, considering Ems' insecurity issues regarding Jean, it was a pretty ballsy move.

thats the one thing of the many things that pissed me off when it came to emma; anytime she saw scott thinking about jean she would get really pissed, as if jean were the one that tried to take him from her.

[JP]

Whoa, Jean is badass. :up: That's my girl.

[Brand]

As a Jean fan and Jean/Scott fan it was hard enough to endure the crap that Morrison threw their way over the course of his run and them him killing her off, but having Scott make out with Emma, who was dressed like an absolute ho, on top of her grave, like 5 minutes after she died, was like one big final slap in the face. He really didnt have to go there and it forever soured this new pairing for me and had me drop Cyclops as one of my favorite characters

In situations like this, you just have to take any such actions as PIS. Normally, Scott would have just told Emma, "Not here, not now," or something so that she'd be quiet and give him some privacy. But Morrison apparently started his run absolutely determined to break up the Scott/Jean marriage and replace it with a new relationship of his own making, and to do that he had to make the characters act out of character throughout the run. That's why I don't really hold that scene (or the whole "psychic affair," really) against Cyke.

[tank girl]

arent they bringing back the death penalty for morrison?

[Havok83]

In situations like this, you just have to take any such actions as PIS. Normally, Scott would have just told Emma, "Not here, not now," or something so that she'd be quiet and give him some privacy. But Morrison apparently started his run absolutely determined to break up the Scott/Jean marriage and replace it with a new relationship of his own making, and to do that he had to make the characters act out of character throughout the run. That's why I don't really hold that scene (or the whole "psychic affair," really) against Cyke.
whats PIS?

[Brand]

whats PIS?

Plot Induced Stupidity

Normally, PIS is used to refer to a situation where a character fails to use his/her abilities and powers to their fullest extent for the purposes of the plot. An example would be Firelord losing to Spider-Man (the classic example of PIS). I also use it to refer to characters (Scott) being made to do things that are wildly out of character (making out with another woman at his wife's grave).

[Brand]

I just saw a scan from Issue #93.

It looks like Angel's death didn't last long, and "Colossus' team" from the Issue #96 preview quite possibly refers to the team from Emma's school. The scan was a group pic of Xavier speaking to a group of mutants.

X-Men shown: Xavier, Cyclops, Storm, Rogue, Psylocke, Angel, Dazzler, Syndicate, Beast, Wolverine, Pyro, Iceman, and Toad

[Venom160]

I just saw a scan from Issue #93.

It looks like Angel's death didn't last long, and "Colossus' team" from the Issue #96 preview quite possibly refers to the team from Emma's school. The scan was a group pic of Xavier speaking to a group of mutants.

X-Men shown: Xavier, Cyclops, Storm, Rogue, Psylocke, Angel, Dazzler, Syndicate, Beast, Wolverine, Pyro, Iceman, and ToadYES! Brand don't take this inna wrong way but I could ****in kiss you right now!

[squeekness]

I just saw a scan from Issue #93.

It looks like Angel's death didn't last long, and "Colossus' team" from the Issue #96 preview quite possibly refers to the team from Emma's school. The scan was a group pic of Xavier speaking to a group of mutants.

X-Men shown: Xavier, Cyclops, Storm, Rogue, Psylocke, Angel, Dazzler, Syndicate, Beast, Wolverine, Pyro, Iceman, and ToadNow if they would only bring back :

Gambit I'd be so happy. :(

[Colossal Spoons]

Sounds good. Wish Syndicate would just go away though

[JP]

OMG, C-Spoons, your user title is amazing!

[Colossal Spoons]

Haha, Rob&Big all day :D

[javon]

HMM, that sounds good to me. Although I knew Angels death wouldn't last long.

[JP]

Haha, Rob&Big all day :D

Errday. :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

Well, not anymore :(

[Mogwai]

I just saw a scan from Issue #93.

It looks like Angel's death didn't last long, and "Colossus' team" from the Issue #96 preview quite possibly refers to the team from Emma's school. The scan was a group pic of Xavier speaking to a group of mutants.

X-Men shown: Xavier, Cyclops, Storm, Rogue, Psylocke, Angel, Dazzler, Syndicate, Beast, Wolverine, Pyro, Iceman, and Toad

^^great news!

[Brand]

The latest issue hit the stands today. I nabbed a synopsis and added my thoughts at the end.

Jean/Phoenix fight Apocalypse. There is some dialogue between two, Apoc thinks he's #1, Phoenix says he's crap. She starts to break him down ala X3, Apoc hits her saying she under estimated him. Phoenix smacks back says he under estimated her.

Apoc then begs for mercy. She strips him back down to Sinister and he lives. Cyclops tries to talk to her, she says she is still Jean but she's merged w/ Phoenix now, she's above emotion. She still loves him, but it's time to go.

Xavier confronts her and asks her what she will do. She says she is the world changer, she's going to change it and fix it. She says that all of this is his fault, with this fiasco he's helped set back mutant rights for 100 years. She tells Xavier he has so much potential, all he has to do is live up to it. She's gonna give them a 2nd chance.

The X-Men all wake up at the mansion. No sign of Jean, no sign of Sinister and no sign of Cable. Rogue and Lady Iceman (he looks like a chick) turn on the news and it's like nothing happened. The city is fine, nothing on the news at all. Xavier calls SHIELD, they don't remember, calls FF, they don't remember. No remembers but the X-Men. Wolverine's arm is fine and I think Xavier can't walk anymore. He's back in the wheelchair atleast w/ that cat.

He calls the X-Men together and says it's time to change the world...

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Unemotional is kind, anti-climatic is a nice way of putting it. Take your cliche superhero/supervillain dialogue and that's the Jean/Apoc fight. It was just ... the best way to compare this plot is think of a ad-lib book. It's like Kirkman took your basic plot, filled it in w/ Phoenix, Apocalypse, Onslaught/Cable and guest appearances. The only good thing about this is that the X-Men seen to back and it's almost like Kirkman reset things, although they really have only been reset back to after the Cable arc. They mention Peter at Emma's school and how he still thinks Xavier is dead. So you know...I guess that's good that technically this arc never happened. Except Jean is gone.

The art: I'm sure this fella is a talented artist, this probably wasn't his best work. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, he was a fill-in for Sal who's moved on to Invicible Iron Man.

Overall...not good.

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We're pretty much back to square one, except Jean is gone (bad), Beast is back (might be good), and Rogue lost the powers that actually made her different from her 616 self and interesting (one of Kirkman's biggest mistakes, IMO). I'm curious to see what happens to Nightcrawler now, too.

I'd be surprised if threads like Wolverine turning into Cable were touched again. I think the best thing that could happen for the Ult-X franchise would be that any future writer treats Kirkman's run like a bad dream.

[El Bastardo]

The latest issue hit the stands today. I nabbed a synopsis and added my thoughts at the end.



We're pretty much back to square one, except Jean is gone (bad), Beast is back (might be good), and Rogue lost the powers that actually made her different from her 616 self and interesting (one of Kirkman's biggest mistakes, IMO). I'm curious to see what happens to Nightcrawler now, too.

I'd be surprised if threads like Wolverine turning into Cable were touched again. I think the best thing that could happen for the Ult-X franchise would be that any future writer treats Kirkman's run like a bad dream.
Put into a spoiler, just because:
I don't quite agree with all of that. A future writer treating Kirkman's run like a bad dream would be performing a slap to the face of all the people who read Kirkman's run, crap or not. The only thing that saves his ending to this arc and the run is that it wasn't a total Dallas. The characters remember it, which offers future character development regarding it.

Rogue didn't need Gambit's powers. They offered something, sure, and it was different, but a character's interest is never based on their powers.

Jean going full-blown Phoenix in a very similar way to 616 is bad, though. And Beast being back is bad, too. These are things that should never have happened, quite honestly. Both are an affront. Phoenix could have been different, and I'm sorry, after all the random crapfests of build-up that Kirkman was doing throughout, this appearance is a flop. For example, what the heck was all the crap with the goblins? The point?

And it should never be touched on Wolverine being Cable. Well, I suppose technically Professor X should know. Wolverine will know. No one else does. And, really, the event that made Wolverine into Cable is gone now, so there's no likelihood of him becoming Cable at all, or the same Cable. The point would be entirely moot, and as such, should not be touched upon.

Else, all in all, a hum-ho finale.

[javon]

I'll have to get this issue this weekend. Seems like mixed reviews from what i've been hearing.

[Brand]

Put into a spoiler, just because:
I don't quite agree with all of that. A future writer treating Kirkman's run like a bad dream would be performing a slap to the face of all the people who read Kirkman's run, crap or not. The only thing that saves his ending to this arc and the run is that it wasn't a total Dallas. The characters remember it, which offers future character development regarding it.

Rogue didn't need Gambit's powers. They offered something, sure, and it was different, but a character's interest is never based on their powers.

Jean going full-blown Phoenix in a very similar way to 616 is bad, though. And Beast being back is bad, too. These are things that should never have happened, quite honestly. Both are an affront. Phoenix could have been different, and I'm sorry, after all the random crapfests of build-up that Kirkman was doing throughout, this appearance is a flop. For example, what the heck was all the crap with the goblins? The point?

And it should never be touched on Wolverine being Cable. Well, I suppose technically Professor X should know. Wolverine will know. No one else does. And, really, the event that made Wolverine into Cable is gone now, so there's no likelihood of him becoming Cable at all, or the same Cable. The point would be entirely moot, and as such, should not be touched upon.

Else, all in all, a hum-ho finale.

To address your points . . .

First, keep in mind that there are going to be changes. We've got a new roster, Jean off on her crazy new mission, people back from the dead, etc. It's just that everyone ELSE seems to have forgotten about Apocalypse, which is a rather convenient, albeit lazy, way of getting around explaining Apocalypse's actions and how no one else seems to know about or mention them.

The thing about Rogue wasn't that she had Gambit's powers. She could have shot flowers out of her *** for all I care. :oldrazz: What was cool about Rogue pre-Kirkman was that, for once, we didn't have the angst-ridden character who could never touch anyone. Take away the powers if need be, but give her at least partial control or SOMETHING so that we don't have a carbon copy of the angst-fest that we've had in the 616 for so long.

Jean--I agree completely.

Beast--Agree here, too. I would like to see Marvel stick to "dead means dead" for once. The potential positive that I saw from his resurrection, the one possible redeeming quality of his return, is that having Beast back will give Storm a push and make her less of a useless bit of wallpaper. Emo wallpaper, at that.

Wolverine/Cable--Yep. I'm thinking we've seen the last of Cable, and I'm hoping that there are no more time travel stories in the X-Men's future.

[El Bastardo]

If anyone's been saying it's a great piece of work, it's clear they should get a clue.

[Valechan]

It looks like this books is just as horrible as it was when it first came out. It's a waste of paper this book, that's what it is. You say "ultimate X-Men" next to a tree and the tree starts to cry

[El Bastardo]

And that was stupid.

[javon]

Actually it's getting wayyy better than earlier issues. Whats the last one you picked up?

[El Bastardo]

It's actually far worse than the original issues.

[javon]

Really? I thought it was a big step, these past issues. Mabe it'll get better.

[El Bastardo]

Kirkman's issues, any of them, in no way compare to Millar's original issues. They in no way compare to Bendis's issues. They in no way compare to Vaughan's issues.

[Valechan]

The only run I enjoyed was Vaughan, the rest was pure crap.

[Bastila]

You know this has really picked up and Jean in the last issue was hard core was cool !

[Venom160]

Indeed, im just happy Angel was brought back at the end. Hopefully it'll really start to pick up with the new writer taking over.

[Havok83]

Indeed, im just happy Angel was brought back at the end. Hopefully it'll really start to pick up with the new writer taking over.
thats the part I hated the most. Overall it was a good issue if not for that and Jean leaving. I thought the art was pretty good too.

[Specter313]

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Marvel Comics (http://www.marvel.com/) has provided CBR News with an exclusive first look at artist Gabriele Dell'otto's cover of "Ultimate X-Men" #97. On sale in August, the issue is written by "Heroes" producer Aron E. Coleite and illustrated by Mark Brooks, and promises to be so significant that series editor Bill Rosemann sent along a special teaser....


“What is the drug known as Banshee? How is it tied to Wolverine? And who in the world is Ultimate Alpha Flight? Writer Aron E. Coleite and penciler Mark Brooks reveal all in Ultimate X-Men #97! Just keep your eyes peeled -- sorta like Logan’s skin here -- for the cover by Gabriele Dell’otto!” -Ultimate Bill Rosemann

[JP]

sick

[El Bastardo]

Awesome.

[Havok83]

Banshee is going to be a drug?

[Venom160]

Banshee is going to be a drug?maybe the drug is derived from Banshee? Love the avatar Havok, what ya think of GTA 4?

[Havok83]

maybe the drug is derived from Banshee? Love the avatar Havok, what ya think of GTA 4?
Amazing game. I admit I wasnt looking forward to it and pumped like others bc I grew stale of the GTA series after 5 games on the PS2, all pretty similiar and not changing much but GTAIV has far exceeded my expectations. Its my favorite game at the moment and all I play. I managed to take 2 days off from work this week (for other reasons) and I played GTAIV all day long...lol

[Venom160]

Amazing game. I admit I wasnt looking forward to it and pumped like others bc I grew stale of the GTA series after 5 games on the PS2, all pretty similiar and not changing much but GTAIV has far exceeded my expectations. Its my favorite game at the moment and all I play. I managed to take 2 days off from work this week (for other reasons) and I played GTAIV all day long...lolsame here its all iv been playing. I was excited for this but it completely blew me away when I started playing it. The level of detail is absolutly beautiful.

[Generation Lee]

OK I'm liking the new writer allready he takes the name Banshee and change the concept. My god he's doing what the Ult. Universe has forgot of late. OK the drug is from Wolverine but I can handle that. Hopefully it will be a good start also hoping Jean-Marie if she appears in Alpha Flight is not related to Northstar. I like the fact that Mystique, Rogue and Nightcrawler are in no way realted like in 616. Keep it different subtle thing ie Jessica Jones a Spiderman clone that sort of thing.

[chris moore]

Last issue was just BND for Ultimate X-Men.

[Specter313]

OK I'm liking the new writer allready he takes the name Banshee and change the concept. My god he's doing what the Ult. Universe has forgot of late. OK the drug is from Wolverine but I can handle that. Hopefully it will be a good start also hoping Jean-Marie if she appears in Alpha Flight is not related to Northstar. I like the fact that Mystique, Rogue and Nightcrawler are in no way realted like in 616. Keep it different subtle thing ie Jessica Jones a Spiderman clone that sort of thing.

Who said the drug was from Wolverine? The thing only said he had a connection to it, not that it was taken from him.

[javon]

The last issue was okay. I'm thinking we have another "Phoenix Saga" in a way, or something similar. But I love how she whooped Apocalypse's ass! And the art is so much better.

[Colossal Spoons]

Last issue was just BND for Ultimate X-Men.

Haha, def did wipe the slate clean :up:

[Valechan]

What a big load of crap this book has turned into. Someone bring back Vaughan!!!

[Brand]

Last issue was just BND for Ultimate X-Men.

No, no. You see, BND signals the end of the relationship between the beautiful redhead and the brown-haired, brown-eyed orphan with self-confidence problems.

Kirkman's little stunt just physically separated (temporarily) the beautiful redhead and the brown-haired, brown-eyed orphan with self-confidence problems.

The two are TOTALLY different. :oldrazz:

[Valechan]

yes it's not like an all-powerful quasi cosmic entity just erased a bunch of continuity...

[Colossal Spoons]

I don't mind Jean erasing some/most of Kirkman's run. She did us a favor :o

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Just read the thing. Awful. Not even entertaining for one second.

BUUUUUT, if ones takes the time to step back and truly reflect on the issue's subtext/intent... A stroke of freakin GENIUS.

Combining a watered down DPS with BND and thus erasing most of Kirkman's run? Jean leaving and Cyke not seeming like he cares in the slightest?

That's AWESOME.

[UraniaChang]

Just read the thing. Awful. Not even entertaining for one second.

BUUUUUT, if ones takes the time to step back and truly reflect on the issue's subtext/intent... A stroke of freakin GENIUS.

Combining a watered down DPS with BND and thus erasing most of Kirkman's run? Jean leaving and Cyke not seeming like he cares in the slightest?

That's AWESOME.

Darth, I have no idea that you dislike Ult Jean like you do 616 Jean.

[Colossal Spoons]

I just wish Syndicate would go a away. Not a fan of the character

[UraniaChang]

Just read the issue, so Kirkman uses Jean to wipe off most of his work, is that supposed to be a parting gift?

[Colossal Spoons]

Sure was :D

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Darth, I have no idea that you dislike Ult Jean like you do 616 Jean.

Character's fundamentally the same, really. And the Phoenix storyline sucked big time in the Ultimate verse.

That being said, I don't really care much for Ult Cyke either. Eveyrthing that has been fixed in 616, well... In a sense, he truly is an AU version of his current counterpart.

[Havok83]

I prefer Ult over the 616 Cyclops.

[Valechan]

I hate all Cyclopses equally :D

[Brand]

Character's fundamentally the same, really. And the Phoenix storyline sucked big time in the Ultimate verse.

That being said, I don't really care much for Ult Cyke either. Eveyrthing that has been fixed in 616, well... In a sense, he truly is an AU version of his current counterpart.

I loved Ult. Cyke in the early days. The scene where he blasts Wolverine into the snow and throws him off the team is one of my favorite scenes in any comic. :woot:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I loved Ult. Cyke in the early days. The scene where he blasts Wolverine into the snow and throws him off the team is one of my favorite scenes in any comic. :woot:

Early Ult Cyke had potential.

But then they basically turned him into 90s' Cyke. Thus my comment.

[El Bastardo]

I liked Ultimate Cyclops through to Kirkman's run. Vaughan was still writing a good Cyke. "The Most Dangerous Game" and "Magnetic North" come to mind.

[Venom160]

Just read the issue, so Kirkman uses Jean to wipe off most of his work, is that supposed to be a parting gift?As far as im concerned it is. :D Heres hopin it also wiped Magician of the face of the Ult Marvel universe.

[Havok83]

I really havent noticed much of a change for Ult Cyclops. He's fared better than most of the other characters who are horrible in comparison to their 616 counterparts

[UraniaChang]

As far as im concerned it is. :D Heres hopin it also wiped Magician of the face of the Ult Marvel universe.

He hasn't re-appeared in Ult X-Men, has he?

[Brand]

I really havent noticed much of a change for Ult Cyclops. He's fared better than most of the other characters who are horrible in comparison to their 616 counterparts

Early on, Cyke actually had a pair (not to mention some potential). We're talking about a guy who wasn't afraid to go alone into Magneto's camp or toe-to-toe with Wolverine on multiple occasions. Lately, he hasn't really done that much; he's been more emo than bad***. He started pouting when the professor declared his love for Jean and hasn't been the same since. It was particularly bad when he refused to keep the X-Men together.

He hasn't re-appeared in Ult X-Men, has he?

No, and let's all pray that trend continues. I despise over-powered characters (go away, Phoenix :oldrazz:).

[UraniaChang]

Over-powered characters kill themselves in Marvel most of the time.

[Obsidian Idea]

Heads up you guys here a preview for the next arc; I must say it doesn't look bad; it looks very interesting. You guys be the judge:

http://comics.ign.com/articles/874/874171p1.html

[terry78]

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/874/874171/ultimate-x-men-20080514101146493.jpg

Ultimate Jubilee for the mutha****in win, I tells ya. :o

[Specter313]

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Ultimate X-Men #94
32 full color pages
Written by: Aron Coleite
Art by: Mark Brooks
Release Date: May 21, 2008
Price: $2.99

New scribe Aron Coleite jumps aboard, fresh from his stint as one of the top writers on the hit NBC show Heroes!

Regrouping after the devastating battle against Apocalypse, the X-Men encounter a new adversary which seems unstoppable. To fight it, the young mutants must ask themselves: how far are they willing to go and what are they willing to take to raise their game? The answer will test the bonds and shake the team to its very core

[Havok83]

Jean is back. YAY!

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Red back's already...??

Gosh, way to make her "sacrifice" matter in any whatsoever relevant way, lol.

Just, what, she flew off, sat on top of a mountain and came back like two days later...? :D

[Havok83]

Red back's already...??

Gosh, way to make her "sacrifice" matter in any whatsoever relevant way, lol.

Just, what, she flew off, sat on top of a mountain and came back like two days later...? :D
actually it was three days, but who's counting? ...lol

[Venom160]

Ultimate X-Men #94
32 full color pages
Written by: Aron Coleite
Art by: Mark Brooks
Release Date: May 21, 2008
Price: $2.99

New scribe Aron Coleite jumps aboard, fresh from his stint as one of the top writers on the hit NBC show Heroes!

Regrouping after the devastating battle against Apocalypse, the X-Men encounter a new adversary which seems unstoppable. To fight it, the young mutants must ask themselves: how far are they willing to go and what are they willing to take to raise their game? The answer will test the bonds and shake the team to its very core:eek: omg this looks awsome! Im liking how their following along USM and showing Liz Allen at the school. :up: God Logans' such a perv, hitting on a sixteen year old girl. Atleast Jean was eighteen before he hit dat. :whatever: Glad to see the old Nightcrawler back aswell.

[Brand]

This looks great so far.

Jean is back.

Kurt is acting like his old, sane self. Oh, and he's back.

And this Coleite has done his homework. Logan has a history of pedophilia--he went after a 15-year-old Mary Jane over in USM, and now he's trying to bed the 15/16-year-old Liz Allan. I'm loving the new guy already. :woot:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Something just dawned on me...

"I'll burn the hair off your nipples???!!!"

That's the funniest threat ever, lol. Exactly how many guys - without healing factor, mind you - would stop at that? :D

And how many seconds passed between Cyke pitching the ball to Pete and him... drinking a soda? Or maybe it's booze and he's drinking between every pitch? Sure would explain why Kurt thought he'd get away with that chat.

[uchiha_itachi]

you know...to me that looks like johnny storm not jean. specially since logan says " flame off, this is my fight"

[Ion Kenshin]

you know...to me that looks like johnny storm not jean. specially since logan says " flame off, this is my fight"
look at the comic again buddy. Jean is there she is the catcher and Logan is talking to Firestar aka Liz Allen who can ignite into flame.

[Brand]

you know...to me that looks like johnny storm not jean. specially since logan says " flame off, this is my fight"

The thing that really seals the deal (besides the fact that the catcher looks exactly like Jean) is that Jean and Scott are conversing telepathically.

It's good to see that they're going to be using Liz here in UXM, especially if she's going to be giving Logan a hard time. :oldrazz:

[Havok83]

The thing that really seals the deal (besides the fact that the catcher looks exactly like Jean) is that Jean and Scott are conversing telepathically.

theres also the fact that he mentions her by name when talking to her

[Brand]

EA hasnt published a great game in years? Um Burnout Paradise, Skate, Rock Band? Have you heard of these 3 big titles released around the last holiday season?

. . . yeahbuhwhat? :huh:

[Blacklight]

Uhh...Bobby's not dead, right?

[Valechan]

Liz Allen is Firestar? Gods the Ultimate Universe needs a Crisis :p

[Valechan]

Uhh...Bobby's not dead, right?

AS if anyone cares...

[Havok83]

. . . yeahbuhwhat? :huh:
sorry copied and posted something in teh completely wrong thread. Its now been fixxed

[Havok83]

AS if anyone cares...
I do!

[Valechan]

Do you actually care if Ultimate Iceman dies or lives? Even when you know that it is very very likely that they just dismantled him only to prove that he can bring himself back together like we've seen so many times already it's not even interesting anymore?

[Havok83]

Do you actually care if Ultimate Iceman dies or lives? Even when you know that it is very very likely that they just dismantled him only to prove that he can bring himself back together like we've seen so many times already it's not even interesting anymore?
in a unverse where I hate most of the X-men, Iceman is one of the few I actually do like. So yeah, I do care what happens to him

[Valechan]

Well... he is not going to die so breath easily

[Havok83]

Well... he is not going to die so breath easily
I never thought he would

[Blacklight]

I never thought he would
I did.

[Mogwai]

Ultimate Jubilee for the mutha****in win, I tells ya. :o

^^i know, right? and her shirt says 'dazzler.' wonder how that's going to go over, lol.

[Brand]

sorry copied and posted something in teh completely wrong thread. Its now been fixxed

No problem. I assumed that is what happened.

Uhh...Bobby's not dead, right?

Bobby is pretty resilient in his ice form. Spiral smashed his hand to pieces and it didn't cause him any problems, so I expect he'll find a way to pull himself together. :oldrazz:

Liz Allen is Firestar? Gods the Ultimate Universe needs a Crisis :p

Liz makes a great Firestar.

Geez, I wonder what your reaction will be when you find out her dad is the Blob . . . :woot:

[UraniaChang]

Baseball again?
It seems that the X-Men, no matter in which universe, play only this type of sport.

Jean is back, thought she told Scott that she had some priorities to do as Phoenix.

[squeekness]

Baseball because it's a low contact team sport that can be played fairly by mixed gender teams. :)

[Generation Lee]

I'm liking Alpha Flight adding Jubillee and Sunfire was a good twist and Snowbird being a native Canadian instead of a "god" or something kinda brings back the old school ultimate universe.

I don't mind that Jean is back at all and its explaned in a few lines phoneix was never dealt with right in the Ultimate verse altough I liked its origins I always wanted to see the orginal 616 ending happen to Ultimate Jean if they wanted to do Phoneix. I would have prefared jean just to be Jean nothing more or less.

[Havok83]

Baseball again?
It seems that the X-Men, no matter in which universe, play only this type of sport.

Jean is back, thought she told Scott that she had some priorities to do as Phoenix.
they've played basketball a few times in 616

[javon]

Damn, this arc is gonna be great! I hope they properly explain Jean coming....in 1 issue. Thats just weird.

[Charlie No-One]

I don't like Colossus as a druggie. Hope they resolve that without having him leave the team.

[Generation Lee]

I think they may actually give you a credable reason as to why he is a junkie. I've got the feeling its not for shock value.

[Venom160]

man I don't know bout you guys but I have a very good feeling about this next issue. I think the new writer will definatly breath new life into the title.

[The Infernal]

Is it just me or are they going to break up Scott and Jean and make it so she's in love with Xavier? I mean they messed up 616 Jean and Scott, why the ultimates as well?

[Havok83]

Is it just me or are they going to break up Scott and Jean and make it so she's in love with Xavier? I mean they messed up 616 Jean and Scott, why the ultimates as well?
I think its just you. I dont see that happening

[Colossal Spoons]

This book sounds like it's about to be good again :D

[Mogwai]

^^here's hoping :)

[Specter313]

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ULTIMATE X-MEN #97
Written by ARON E. COLEITE
Penciled by MARK BROOKS
Cover by GABRIELE DELL’OTTO
The battle lines of Ultimatum are drawn! Who is the true power behind Banshee? What is their connection to Wolverine and the X-Men? The answers will make the X-Men reconsider everything they've ever believed in! How can one ever be human again after being a god? It’s the shocking finale by Aron E. Coleite (TV’s Heroes) and Mark Brooks!
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99

[Colossal Spoons]

Ultimate Sasquatch looks like a Tauren from WOW :D

[Czar Colossus]

I don't like Colossus as a druggie. Hope they resolve that without having him leave the team.

They have totally ruined Colossus! He's not even likable at this point!:cmad:
(His mutant ability does not include super strength? It's drug induced?!!!!!!!):cmad:

[JustABill]

This whole Banshee thing is so stupid and ruined not only Colossus, but just look at how damn stupid all the others look once they hopped themselves up on it. I wanted to fry Angel and put him in a bucket with Colonel Sanders on the front of it. :(

[Czar Colossus]

Ageed; and Nightcrawler looks like he's ready for some S&M!
I remember when I first found out that Marvel was doing Ultimate X-men and that Colossus was to be part of it I was so glad that Colossus was going to get some attention. Now years later I feel nothing but regret. There is nothing here that makes him the great hero that the original was conceived as. Colossus more than any other Ultimate version is a very poor imitation!

[Valechan]

SO in one issue they ruin my favorite ult character by making him a drug addict, they create yet another "fanfic-like" team of X-Men, they make even more of a fool of ult Ororo, capture my second fave character and tell us that xavier is "resting" and "cannot be disturbed"... this books is even worse than it used to be. Pity the art is so pretty

[squeekness]

The art certianly is a nice change from Yannick's crap. :D I'll give ya that. I found this issue to be merely okay. I want to see where it's going before I decide how sucky this arc is.

[Havok83]

I actually liked the issue

[Venom160]

same here.

[terry78]

The Ultimate universe is infamous for making Marvel's well knowns into more "realistic, gritty" types, which basically means turning them into big ********s. So...not really shocked.

[squeekness]

I would be happier if Angel didn't have a beak for a face. :p

[Specter313]

I like it too. I really don't understand what the big fuss is about. Wasn't it not that long ago that most of the people here were *****ing that this book was becoming too much like 616 and didn't have enough differences? Well, here's your perfect one: Colossus doesn't automatically have superstrength. Don't like it? Well, you're not writing it so don't ask for something then ***** when it's not to your liking. A situation like this is a perfect representation for putting this universe in a world like our own. Why wouldn't there be some kind of drug out like this to upgrade mutant powers and why wouldn't some people use it for various reasons, good and bad? Yes, Colossus is using a drug, but he's not using it to hurt himself or hurt others, he's using it to try and fight evil. This whole thing is setting up for what could be a very interesting debate on the whole drug angle, so why don't all you complainers wait and see how this all plays out before you call for the new writer's head already.

[Havok83]

^^^ Good point

The only thing I didnt like about the issue was the horrible transition from the last one to this. I think Kirkman wrapped up his run really nicely and left it in a good position for any writer to come aboard, but it felt as if the last issue was completely ignored. Love Jean but she came back WAY too soon and with no explanation. Xavier being back at the mansion, back from the dead and around Scott is a huge issue that was conveniently swept under the rug and not even dealt with. And there were too many characters in the book. This issue felt like it could have been a few books into this new run and not the first. I just felt like we skipped a few. Still enjoyed it for what it was worth though. I just hope he explains the Jean return, explores Xavier and trims the fat on this ever expanding cast

Is Brooks the new regular artist bc I thought Larrocca was. Or are they going to be switching back and forth. That might be a good solution as Brooks has had trouble keeping a monthly schedule in the past. Either way, Im glad to finally see some great art back in this book. The Kirkman era was filled with some mediocracy and sometimes downright bad drawing

[Czar Colossus]

Just for the record I was never *****ing that this book was too much like 616, as a matter of fact I dropped it because I simply thought it sucked. So, seeing Colossus on the cover and at a glance the art looked good I decided to pick it up to see what was up (even though I don't care for the way they've developed his character). I didn't think that their treatment of Colossus could get worse, but I was wrong. Still, since I picked up pt. 1 I'll finish the arc.
Thank God this was not how the original Colossus was conceived and that we've got him back!

[Valechan]

You're so right Specter! Creating a power-enhancing drug and making the X-Men addicted to it is so very innovative and has never been seen in the 616 universe! Not even people like Claremont or Morrison thought of it! Not even characters like Cecilia Reyes or Quentin Tire would have dreamt to use abusive substances to increase their powers! You're so right this is so new and exciting!!

NOT

[gothicFLAVOURS]

I actually loved the issue. The only thing I didn't like was Jean being back already without an explanation (I guess we'll get one eventually) and in a weakened state. She defeated Apocalypse, she should have sensed Alpha Flight long before.

[Havok83]

I actually loved the issue. The only thing I didn't like was Jean being back already without an explanation (I guess we'll get one eventually) and in a weakened state. She defeated Apocalypse, she should have sensed Alpha Flight long before.
I prefer Jean weakened. Overpowered characters = boring and predictable. I can accept that she's burnt herself out a bit

[Specter313]

You're so right Specter! Creating a power-enhancing drug and making the X-Men addicted to it is so very innovative and has never been seen in the 616 universe! Not even people like Claremont or Morrison thought of it! Not even characters like Cecilia Reyes or Quentin Tire would have dreamt to use abusive substances to increase their powers! You're so right this is so new and exciting!!

NOT

When did I ever say that this was new and not done before? Never. So if you're going to start an argument, start it on a point that actually exists, smartass. :whatever:

[gothicFLAVOURS]

I prefer Jean weakened. Overpowered characters = boring and predictable. I can accept that she's burnt herself out a bit
Yeah, I prefer her weakened too. She would be a deus ex machina if that wasn't the case, but she shouldn't be talking about herself being a goddess or whatever.

BTW, I'm the only one who finds interesting the way the Banshee drug alters mutants? I really liked Dazzler's spider things.

[Valechan]

I like it too. I really don't understand what the big fuss is about. Wasn't it not that long ago that most of the people here were *****ing that this book was becoming too much like 616 and didn't have enough differences?

That reads like "I love the differences between Earth 1610 and Earth 616". I just pointed out that what they're doing isn't exactly different from what we've seen already

[Havok83]

Yeah, I prefer her weakened too. She would be a deus ex machina if that wasn't the case, but she shouldn't be talking about herself being a goddess or whatever.

BTW, I'm the only one who finds interesting the way the Banshee drug alters mutants? I really liked Dazzler's spider things.
Dazzler's new look was the only one I didnt get. She looked like some alternate version of 616 Callisto. The Banshee drug is reminding me of the Terrigan Mist in Son of M

[UraniaChang]

Colossus using drugs doesn't bother me at all, why should a character be 'perfect' to make him good? Like Specter313 said, Colossus didn't use drugs for some stupid reasons, like, for 'fun'.

I'm more bothered by the 'Angel-turns-into-Beak-with-no-reason' and 'Jean is back cause she feels like it' things, because they completely make no sense.

[squeekness]

Yeah, I wasn't digging Angel's new look at all. :(

[Generation Lee]

OK wasn't that Ultimate Beak?

I have to say irt was a kick ass idea giving Peter Metal skin but know strength. I always like that about Beak in 616 looked like a bird and that was pretty much it lol. As I said before I don't care that xavier is resting or Jean is back. Kirkman may have in someway erased hie run but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth regarding Phoneix so if she's back I don't mind. Glad Nightcrawler done the Christain thing and got over it, nice to see him back with his friend.

Good idea introducing MGH to mutants as a power boost and that they Canadians are not so "nice" compered to their U.S cousins.

[Specter313]

Nope, that was Angel. The Banshee just took his bird wings and pushed it to making him look like an actual bird. Interesting choice.

[Venom160]

Yeah Banshee seems to have just enhanced their abilities to a level that would take years to develop. Dazzler seems to be able to form her power into constant, solid forms. Angel has evolved more bird-like features. Nightcrawler's powers may have evolved somewhat like Nocturn's where he can form daggers. Rogue seems to have gained full control of her abilities, being able to summon previously absorbed powers and mixing them with others.

As for Jean suddenly being back that really doesnt bother me cause didnt they say that that would be revealed not next issue but the issue after that?

[Brand]

I read that Jean's return is to be explained in issue #96. I'm not 100% sure if it's true, but I certainly hope so.

[Generation Lee]

OK so code name change for Angel then time for Warren to become Beak. Interesting someone took his birdlike physiology and ran with that.

[Venom160]

eh it won't be permanent Gen Lee.

[Generation Lee]

I can hope lol.

[Havok83]

And Ultimate Angel gets even lamer than before by now becoming the Ultimate version of Beak, one of the lamest X-characters ever. The guy continues to suck

[MattThomasM2B]

Wow, I'm shocked. I come in here expecting to hear about some crossover event or special that bridges the canyon between 93 and 94 but it's nowhere to be found. Jean's had the shortest intergalactic journey ever and Nightcrawler's on good terms with the X-Men again. Cyclops' peaceful school plans go out the window in a flash. The status quo gets forced back together just so it can be blown apart by Colossus the druggie.

Wow, that's Angel 'roided out? I thought it was some other mutant or something.

[ProfeZZor X]

Uhh...Bobby's not dead, right?

No, Beast patches him up... and gives nods to his vast potential.

[ProfeZZor X]

http://images.wizarduniverse.com/WizardUniverse/Previews/PREV423/UE519-21.jpg

Nightcrawler is kind of like Blink now...
Looks like Rogue doesn't need physical contact anymore...
I expected Angel to look like a Griffin of some kind, not an eagle...
And who knows what the hell those insect legs are doing sticking out of her shoulders...

Regardless, I can't wait to see what the others look like on Babshee. Especially Iceman. I just hope they do something different with his appearance, like convert him into a water or mist form. Even a hulkier and jagged version of him wouldn't be that bad.

[Mogwai]

^^loving the art.

[ProfeZZor X]

I like it too. I really don't understand what the big fuss is about. Wasn't it not that long ago that most of the people here were *****ing that this book was becoming too much like 616 and didn't have enough differences? Well, here's your perfect one: Colossus doesn't automatically have superstrength. Don't like it? Well, you're not writing it so don't ask for something then ***** when it's not to your liking. A situation like this is a perfect representation for putting this universe in a world like our own. Why wouldn't there be some kind of drug out like this to upgrade mutant powers and why wouldn't some people use it for various reasons, good and bad? Yes, Colossus is using a drug, but he's not using it to hurt himself or hurt others, he's using it to try and fight evil. This whole thing is setting up for what could be a very interesting debate on the whole drug angle, so why don't all you complainers wait and see how this all plays out before you call for the new writer's head already.

For once I actually agree with you. :wow: ...

^^loving the art.

Same here. I haven't picked up this title since the introduced Mister Sinister. This book has gone so down hill for me that I couldn't bring myself to investing in such crap. I could understand keeping the core characters and introducing newer Ultimate versions of other x-characters in various storylines, but when Bishop takes the X-Men over and Kurt becomes king of the Morlocks, then I have to focus on some other book that make more sense - which is why X-Men First class took it's place (in my books). I mean looking back to the first 30 (maybe 40) issues of this book and it actually works for me. Anything after that is just hodge podge from a writer that just wants a paycheck.

[Obsidian Idea]

I don't think the other X-men are going to take the drug. If I remember one of the solicits right, the other X-men are going to get into it with Colossus's team after they confront Alpha Flight...

[javon]

Wait...what happened in 94? Why does everyone look different? Can someone give me a vast summary?

[Havok83]

Wait...what happened in 94? Why does everyone look different? Can someone give me a vast summary?
They took a drug called banshee which alters mutant powers. Those characters all got a boost

[squeekness]

I just realized that Rogue has feathers on her arms in the picture. Wierd. :(

[Brand]

I just realized that Rogue has feathers on her arms in the picture. Wierd. :(

Also, her skin looks metallic (Colossus) while her eyes are glowing (Nightcrawler). I'm guessing she's like Peter Petrelli now--she just sucks in all the mutant powers around her.

[Venom160]

Shes' absorbed their abilities before, well Nightcrawler's and Angel's anyway. I think what Banshee did to her was give her control over her power, allowing her to call forth abilities that shes absorbed.

[iamlegend]

Shes' absorbed their abilities before, well Nightcrawler's and Angel's anyway. I think what Banshee did to her was give her control over her power, allowing her to call forth abilities that shes absorbed.

Which effectively makes her almost unstoppable.

There's a reason that they never let her have complete recall in the 616-verse for too long... It created a mega deus ex machina. Rogue could whomp just about anyone.

[ProfeZZor X]

Which effectively makes her almost unstoppable.

There's a reason that they never let her have complete recall in the 616-verse for too long... It created a mega deus ex machina. Rogue could whomp just about anyone.

I seriously doubt that. Every mutant in the X-Men line up has a weakness that can be exploited by another X-Man one way or another. Look at the Super Skrull... How many times has he been beaten by the FF?

[Havok83]

Which effectively makes her almost unstoppable.

There's a reason that they never let her have complete recall in the 616-verse for too long... It created a mega deus ex machina. Rogue could whomp just about anyone.
and 616 Rogue sucked when she was able to recall every power she had. I was happy when she was depowered following that

[UraniaChang]

Which effectively makes her almost unstoppable.

There's a reason that they never let her have complete recall in the 616-verse for too long... It created a mega deus ex machina. Rogue could whomp just about anyone.

It only works if Rogue was a villain, otherwise she will become another Phoenix that we absolutely don't need.

[ProfeZZor X]

It only works if Rogue was a villain, otherwise she will become another Phoenix that we absolutely don't need.

On top of that, there is no way she could even match Pandemic when he was powered up. I think he was a better thinking man in terms of utilizing each of those recalled powers than Rogue probably ever could be. A scientist versus a southern belle... you decide. It was unfortunate that he was depowered, but if given a second chance, I'm sure he would be smart enough not to let the same mistakes happen again... Rogue on the other hand... :csad:

[javon]

What's Dazzler's powers now?

[chamber-music]

So ultimate Colossus is a gay drug addict........... awesome

[Mogwai]

What's Dazzler's powers now?

apparently she can form her light powers into solid objects.

[Mogwai]

So ultimate Colossus is a gay drug addict........... awesome

but all he wants to be is a hero.

[Generation Lee]

And yet I cannot stop liking him, it maybe caused by drugs but his a kick-ass powerhouse IMO.

[PhoenixWillRise]

So ultimate Colossus is a gay drug addict........... awesome
is it wrong that this just turns me on even more!?

[Colossal Spoons]

Just read 94. Not pleased with this drug addiction thing AT ALL. It totally cheapens everything Colossus has done thusfar. Sure, he' still a strong guy but he needs to shoot up to do it. I wanted the ultimate universe to differ from 616 as much as the next person, but this is a bad change. Here's hoping somehow Pete overdoses on banshee and instead of dying, just gets superstrength added to his base powers....like it already should have been :whatever:

However, his "team" looks totally badass :up:

[Generation Lee]

I was guessing something like that would happen as they mentioned the dreaded secondary mutation and shock horror even third. I expect it to be that Colossus would have eventually gained strength with his skin but gradually as he matured, banshee will probably kick that part of his X-Gene into gear or it may have even slowed it.

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm more inclined to believe he would have never gotten superstrength w/o banshee :(

[Havok83]

I'm more inclined to believe he would have never gotten superstrength w/o banshee :(
thats how I took it too. His only mutant power is his metallic skin.

[Colossal Spoons]

Which is pretty awesome if you just wanna be defensive. But not for Colossus.

[iamlegend]

Which is pretty awesome if you just wanna be defensive. But not for Colossus.


Hey, look at it this way. You could be a Banshee fan, and just have found out that your favorite character has been reduced to a drug for a bunch of whiney teenage mutants to abuse.

That's a kick in the nuts. One at a time, at that.

All of that coming AFTER said character's 616 model was killed off in order to spice up a horrid mini-series.

[UraniaChang]

Banshee is not going to be happy at all, and no, I don't mean the 616 character, I mean the user on this board.

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, but there's like 5 Banshee fans left in the whole world. :p

[chamber-music]

Yeah, but there's like 5 Banshee fans left in the whole world. :p

I must be one of them. Someone at Marvel won't be happy till every member of Generation X is dead!

[Havok83]

I must be one of them. Someone at Marvel won't be happy till every member of Generation X is dead!
Im another. I hate what they did with him in DG

[AndThePickles]

Just read 94. Not pleased with this drug addiction thing AT ALL. It totally cheapens everything Colossus has done thusfar. Sure, he' still a strong guy but he needs to shoot up to do it. I wanted the ultimate universe to differ from 616 as much as the next person, but this is a bad change. Here's hoping somehow Pete overdoses on banshee and instead of dying, just gets superstrength added to his base powers....like it already should have been :whatever:

However, his "team" looks totally badass :up:

As weird as it is, I kinda liked it. Totally different twist, and I would have never expected it. However, I wish that it would have been someone else rather than Colossus. They already gave him a twist by making him gay, so I would have expected another character to be shooting up.

I don't like Banshee-enhanced Angel :csad:

[javon]

Damn, I STILL haven't gotten this issue!:csad:

[gothicFLAVOURS]

I think Banshee just develops the original mutation to a next/higher level (Rogue having control over her power, Angel becoming more bird-like, Colossus getting superstrength...) so I think Colossus will keep that power after the arc is done because he's been using Banshee for so long or something like that.

I'm really liking this new arc, it's quite better that the Kirkman era.

[PWN3R]

I kind of like the changes. It doesn't hurt Pete's character IMO, he is doing it for the right reasons. And just think about what caused him to use for the first time. His father had just abandoned him due to his sexuality, and he had no choice but to turn to the Russian mobsters. At the time he saw no other way, but to enhance his powers. Now he's stuck. I can see it happening.

AT LEAST this book is trying something new, unlike Kirkman's crap run of rehashing everything with a twist.

I dunno, I don't necessarily love the changes they made, but I'm more than willing to see where they take it. Could turn out good.

And YAY for the art not sucking.

[Angamb]

http://images.wizarduniverse.com/WizardUniverse/Previews/PREV423/UE519-21.jpg



:wow:

but.... what have they done with the x-men??? :huh:

[Brand]

:wow:

but.... what have they done with the x-men??? :huh:

The rest of the X-Men are still there. That's just Colossus' team--the group that's going to get Northstar back.

[Colossal Spoons]

I think Banshee just develops the original mutation to a next/higher level (Rogue having control over her power, Angel becoming more bird-like, Colossus getting superstrength...) so I think Colossus will keep that power after the arc is done because he's been using Banshee for so long or something like that.
I'm really liking this new arc, it's quite better that the Kirkman era.

God, I hope so

[Colossal Spoons]

I kind of like the changes. It doesn't hurt Pete's character IMO, he is doing it for the right reasons. And just think about what caused him to use for the first time. His father had just abandoned him due to his sexuality, and he had no choice but to turn to the Russian mobsters. At the time he saw no other way, but to enhance his powers. Now he's stuck. I can see it happening.

I'm not mad about his reasons for doing the drugs; you can shoot up for whatever purpose you'd like. I'm pissed that w/o this drug, he'd be a weakling :down: His strength is one of the attributes that drew me to the character. I guess I took for granted the fact that it came naturally, now that that's been taken way, I guess I'm just kinda disappointed.

It's not like steroids where you're strong before it, but REALLY strong after it. Colossus w/o banshee can barely move around under the steel skin. How weak is that.

[AndThePickles]

I'm not mad about his reasons for doing the drugs; you can shoot up for whatever purpose you'd like. I'm pissed that w/o this drug, he'd be a weakling :down: His strength is one of the attributes that drew me to the character. I guess I took for granted the fact that it came naturally, now that that's been taken way, I guess I'm just kinda disappointed.

It's not like steroids where you're strong before it, but REALLY strong after it. Colossus w/o banshee can barely move around under the steel skin. How weak is that.

You have to consider how young he was when he first started shooting up...I'm sure he'd be a lot stronger naturally now. Also, steel all over your whole body WOULD be outrageously heavy.

[terry78]

Big Gay Colossus' Big Steroid Party. Coming soon to the Ultimate Universe.

[Colossal Spoons]

I can't even brag about him being stronger than Ultimate Thing anymore or that time he pwned Thor and IronMan at the same time. They were all operating under normal conditions/power...Pete was freakin high :down:

[Suiciety]

Somehow me thinks, Petey won't be singing the following song anytime soon:

Straightforward actions, common goals
Working together with straight clean souls
Working for a common cause, the youth unite
Join with us in our fight
NAILED TO THE X

We have goals in our minds we're not blind
Working for the better youth,
we're the future of mankind
Working for better youth, the best we can
Join with us, we have a plan

NAILED TO THE X

:oldrazz:

[Telekinetic]

:wow:

but.... what have they done with the x-men??? :huh:

http://images.wizarduniverse.com/WizardUniverse/Previews/PREV423/UE519-21.jpg



ughh that just looks ridiculous. id expect something like this out of exiles, not the ultimate universe :o

and what happened to psylocke? is she back in limbo?

[AndThePickles]

and what happened to psylocke? is she back in limbo?

Psylocke is still at the mansion.

[Canemacar]

You know. I used to think Gambit got shafted by appearing only twice, was ruined as a character, then killed off in the Ultimate universe, but after seeing whats been going on, I'm starting to wonder if he was the lucky one after all.

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, I know lol

[javon]

The rest of the X-Men are still there. That's just Colossus' team--the group that's going to get Northstar back.
Ah man, I wanted Dazzler to stay with the old team.

[Colossal Spoons]

I want Dazzler to go away :o

Why couldn't they have made her the druggie, she already looks like one

[Brand]

I want Dazzler to go away :o

Why couldn't they have made her the druggie, she already looks like one

:woot:

For this storyline, I was actually thinking that the best candidates for Banshee users among the X-Men were Dazzler and Colossus, given what little history we've given about each member. I guess Piotr just drew the short straw or something.

[javon]

But Dazzlers powers were already getting upgraded. I wanted to see how she's follow along with the team.

[Valechan]

Can the U Universe be crappier?

Now it seems that the mutant gene was created from Wolverine, so every mutant actually owes their powers to him, how crappy is that?

[iamlegend]

You know. I used to think Gambit got shafted by appearing only twice, was ruined as a character, then killed off in the Ultimate universe, but after seeing whats been going on, I'm starting to wonder if he was the lucky one after all.

Seems his character was right when he told Prof. X no way...

All them folk still at the mansion have gone completely f%#$*n nuts.

[terry78]

Can the U Universe be crappier?

Now it seems that the mutant gene was created from Wolverine, so every mutant actually owes their powers to him, how crappy is that?

Why do other X-Men even exist? Wolverine is the end all, be all.

[iamlegend]

Why do other X-Men even exist? Wolverine is the end all, be all.

Forget the X-men... according to Wolvie's own series, he can outlive all the superheroes in the universe.

[terry78]

They may as well just start calling every X-book "Wolverine and Friends." Oh wait, the new cartoon is already doing that. :dry:

[Colossal Spoons]

They may as well just start calling every X-book "Wolverine and Friends." Oh wait, the new cartoon is already doing that. :dry:

:(:down:

[AndThePickles]

Ugh

[Mogwai]

so, wolverine is 'en sabah nur'?

[Colossal Spoons]

Don't say that :(

[Czar Colossus]

I used to like Wolverine a lot more, but it's getting harder and harder. The way so many in the industry are giving him the "Monica Luinsky" treatment is nauseating! When Wizard named him the greatest character of all time I though I'd puke. There is no way he should be ahead of Superman, Batman, Spider-man, or Captain America!:whatever::down

[Colossal Spoons]

I've been enjoying 616 Wolverine a bit more lately. Ultimate Wolvie is meh.

Wolverine is at least 50000x better than Batman in every way possible though :o

[squeekness]

so, wolverine is 'en sabah nur'?

Don't say that :(Seriously. Don't give the writers any more bad ideas, they are doing fine coming up with crap all on their own. :p

[ProfeZZor X]

Seriously. Don't give the writers any more bad ideas, they are doing fine coming up with crap all on their own. :p

I wouldn't call this current storyline "crap"... It actually got me reading this book again (as long as they maintain all of these x-characters). The last time I picked it up was when they introduced that whole Sinister/Apocalypse story.

[UraniaChang]

I've been enjoying 616 Wolverine a bit more lately. Ultimate Wolvie is meh.

Wolverine is at least 50000x better than Batman in every way possible though :o


Do you mind explaining why? I'm not a Batman fan (I only watched Batman Begins and thought it was enjoyable), but I have a hard time believing him being worse than Wolverine.

[squeekness]

I like Batman and Wolverine both. They have many good and bad qualities to them both. :)

[Colossal Spoons]

Do you mind explaining why? I'm not a Batman fan (I only watched Batman Begins and thought it was enjoyable), but I have a hard time believing him being worse than Wolverine.

- He likes to spend long hours in a dark cave with little children(some of which, he's sewn sequined underpants for.) I find that weird.

- He has no powers of any kind. I like powers

- He has like 3.5 friends. I like friends.

All jokes aside, he could not bore me more. Wolverine may be overexposed but Bruce is about as entertaining as taking a test :o He beats people he has no business beating. Even with Kryptonite, how does Superman just not fly right through his head? Ugh :down:

[Czar Colossus]

I understand that sometimes the insinuation that Batman should stand up to certain heroes is daunting, but I find with Batman that his greatest asset (along with his intelligence) is that he creates the perception that he can stand up to anyone; and as they say perception is reality. To a certain degree it's true. Batman knows Superman, Wonder Woman and many others would "SPANK" him and in some instances they have, but he knows that he is out classed and he has always got to be the most that he can be to stand among and sometimes command god-like beings.
In Wolverine's case Marvel has their lips secured so firmly to his ASS, that they are on the verge of making him damn near omnipotent! All roads seem to lead to Wolverine. He should never be able to stand up to Hulk in a fight and now he's essentially immortal. It's one thing to increase in power or mature over time but Wolverine gets waaaay more TLC than anyone. Whether you are a fan of the likes of Superman, Batman, Spider-man, Captain America, Wonder Woman, even Captain Marvel etc. in the history of comic characters he is not as ground breaking as they are. Batman was bad-ass long before Wolverine and he does it without super powers. Who you like is a matter of opinion. No one can deny that Wolverine has a huge fan club, but to insinuate that he is the greatest character of all time is obscene. I'm a huge KISS fan, but I know historically that they are not (technically) the greatest band of all time. Hell; I'm just glad Colossus made the list (tough I'd have been P.O.ed if he didn't.):cwink: (And in Batman's defense Logan seems to have penchant for little girls. Does he hang out with R. Kelly?)

[Chamber_UK]

Marvel did us a great favour when they killed off Jean and have kept her dead for a while now. I liked her as a character but you really could develop her any further.

They should do the same with Wolverine, have him disappear for a couple of years shoot him into space on his own and let him have his own adventures for a while or something.

Absence does make the heart grow fonder.

[iamlegend]

I understand that sometimes the insinuation that Batman should stand up to certain heroes is daunting, but I find with Batman that his greatest asset (along with his intelligence) is that he creates the perception that he can stand up to anyone; and as they say perception is reality.


Batman creeps me out, what with his "EVERYONE MUST FACE JUSTICE AHHHHHH" personality.