Wizard talks Batman sequal

[The Joker]

Sorry if this has been posted already,and there's probably nothing much in here we don't already know,but I thought I'd post some scans from the latest issue of Wizard about what they're saying about the Begins Sequal.




They also did a poll on what readers thought which Batman story should influence the sequal.The results were as follows:

The Killing Joke: 41%
The Long Halloween: 26%
Arkham Asylum: 10%
Original story: 7%
Batman Dark Detective: 5%
Batman the Cult: 3%

There was other little articles like there's no plans to do a Batman/Superman crossover movie.Katie Holmes may still return.And although Nolan and Goyer are not officially returning for the sequal,they both want to return.

[Cinemaman]

The Killing Joke is one of my favorite Batman novels!

[spdrknight]

Too bad Wizard did not have anyhting new to report... but we all knew that. It is good though that the sequal is getting some press, attention is not a bad thing.

[Cinemaman]

As I know, the shooting of Prestige have already began in January, right?

[Keyser Soze]

Spider-Freddie is not gonna like Bale's comment on Robin, since he denies the existence of anything said by anyone involved with "Batman Begins" that is anti-Robin.

As for the article, fun read, even if there is nothing new there. I'm a bit disappointed that Batman Begins seems set to be 2009 rather than 2008. But on the other hand, it's cool that the majority of people want to see something like "The Killing Joke".

[Macphisto]

2009 release? Hoffman linked to the Two-Face role? I knew there was a reason I stopped buying Wizard.

[Cinemaman]

Spider-Freddie is not gonna like Bale's comment on Robin, since he denies the existence of anything said by anyone involved with "Batman Begins" that is anti-Robin.

As for the article, fun read, even if there is nothing new there. I'm a bit disappointed that Batman Begins seems set to be 2009 rather than 2008. But on the other hand, it's cool that the majority of people want to see something like "The Killing Joke".

Dont think it will be released in 2009. There reasons for this:

1. SR sequel is going to be released in 2009, so WB cant put 2 their main movie franchises in one-two months.

2. The production of Prestige have already started.

3. If Nolan start shooting BB2 only in 2008, WB will choose another director, what is bad. We dont need Batman franchise from 90s.

4. Nolan is going to come back for BB sequels, as he has already said.

[batmaluco]

2009 release? Hoffman linked to the Two-Face role? I knew there was a reason I stopped buying Wizard.
Yeah, this is the first time that I heard such thing.
Nice reading though, even if there's nothing really new. Thanks for posting this.
About Robin, all I can say is that I'm glad that we have Nolan now. :)

[Stringer]

Nothing new but at least its something to read. Thanks.

[batsone]

scans from wizard bring a ***** storm for the staff here, you might want to remove them.

[AnimeJune]

:batman: GrammarBatGirl: Sequel is spelled with an 'E'.

Back on topic - as hard as it is to wait for anticipated sequels (I've been waiting for Spidey 3 since Spider-Man 2 came out), sometimes it's more profitable. The longer the wait, the sweeter the payoff when it comes out.

Besides, I can understand why Nolan would not want to be pigeonholed as the "Batman director". He wants to spread out his repertoire a little. Plus, The Prestige, about fighting magicians, sounds pretty cool.

[Elijya]

Ock - we've had some problems with Wizard before, they don't like it when people scan their mag and pass it around the net. Sorry.

[Cinemaman]

Yah, there is something strange.

* BB2 is going to be released in 2009 (WHAT??? 4 years???)
* Nolan have a rest (as I know he is making Prestige now)
* Dasting Hoffman as Harvey Dent??? (he is good actor, but not for this role)

[Two-Face]

Why don't they check BOF or SHH for source instead of making stupid news?

[The Joker]

Ock - we've had some problems with Wizard before, they don't like it when people scan their mag and pass it around the net. Sorry.

No problem :)

There was no MAJOR news there anyway.

[Macphisto]

Why don't they check BOF or SHH for source instead of making stupid news?
Lazy journalism. Wizard is notorious for it.

[Motown Marvel]

just because it hasnt been on SHH! or BOF deosnt mean its not true...and plenty enough bulls#!t rumors gets slung around on SHH! and BOF anyways, why is your reaction all of a sudden different with wizard?

[Saint]

just because it hasnt been on SHH! or BOF deosnt mean its not true...and plenty enough bulls#!t rumors gets slung around on SHH! and BOF anyways, why is your reaction all of a sudden different with wizard?
Because Wizard movie news is ALWAYS one of the following: A) out of date, or B) entirely false.

[The-Dark-Knight]

hoffman, are we refering to dustin hoffman???

[Gamma Ray]

As usual, Wizard hypes up that they have news and it's all complete speculation and turned down questions. That magazine sucks.

[Nightwing]

hoffman, are we refering to dustin hoffman???

No, Phillip Seymour Hoffman.

[Katsuro]

No, Phillip Seymour Hoffman.

then they must be mixing up their rumors (hearing he was suggested for Penguin and thinking Harvey). There's no way PSH could play Dent, he's not right for the part at all.

[Ronny Shade]

THERE IS NO A IN SEQUEL DAMMIT!

[Nightwing]

then they must be mixing up their rumors (hearing he was suggested for Penguin and thinking Harvey). There's no way PSH could play Dent, he's not right for the part at all.

Indeed, that must have happend. I agree with Hoffman for Cobblepot (though I think Hoskins is the ideal choice), but imagining him as Harvey is something I can't see vividly. Wizard is mostly great for reading what's coming up in comics, along with interviews with certain writers and artists which is why I buy it. But when it comes to movie news, they're always one or two steps behind.

[kytrigger]

THERE IS NO A IN SEQUEL DAMMIT!

Hoffman should be casted as Joker in teh sequal! :p

[Keyser Sushi]

THERE IS NO A IN SEQUEL DAMMIT!

Holy crap, GrammarBatman! That sure was loud!

Also, GrammarBatgirl already made note of that. :up:

-- GrammarRobin

[Motown Marvel]

Because Wizard movie news is ALWAYS one of the following: A) out of date, or B) entirely false.

a) no doubt about that
b) not necessarily. im certainly not saying theres any truth to this, because theres probably not. but i've seen a 100 times before reports of rumored actors for a role, 99% of which were obvious b.s. and came from sources with little to no credit, yet the messanger was never attacked. im jus wondering why theres suddenly a double standard when it comes to Wizard?

[AnimeJune]

Indeed, that must have happend. I agree with Hoffman for Cobblepot (though I think Hoskins is the ideal choice), but imagining him as Harvey is something I can't see vividly. Wizard is mostly great for reading what's coming up in comics, along with interviews with certain writers and artists which is why I buy it. But when it comes to movie news, they're always one or two steps behind.Bob Hoskins for Penguin? Niiiice. I think Hoffman would make a good Two-Face, but I grew up with the animated series first, the comic second. I've always thought of Two-Face as African-American. Laurence Fishburne as Two-Face? Hell yes!

Has anyone considered Jack Black for Penguin? Or would he be too energetic?
Also - Martin Short for the Mad Hatter. No other choice. None.

[Two-Face]

Bob Hoskins for Penguin? Niiiice. I think Hoffman would make a good Two-Face, but I grew up with the animated series first, the comic second. I've always thought of Two-Face as African-American. Laurence Fishburne as Two-Face? Hell yes!

Has anyone considered Jack Black for Penguin? Or would he be too energetic?
Also - Martin Short for the Mad Hatter. No other choice. None.

if you gonna make Two-Face character black which he isn't black in comics but if then I say go sign Denzel Washington as DA Harvey Dent in BB2 best man for the job!

[AnimeJune]

if you gonna make Two-Face character black which he isn't black in comics but if then I say go sign Denzel Washington as DA Harvey Dent in BB2 best man for the job!Yeah, but when Batman started out, how many black people WERE in comics? In Two-Face's case (as it was in Kingpin's in DareDevil), the colour of his skin wasn't really integral to his character, unless he was a white supremacist or something of that sort. So I'd see no problem in making him a different race.

[Two-Face]

Yeah, but when Batman started out, how many black people WERE in comics? In Two-Face's case (as it was in Kingpin's in DareDevil), the colour of his skin wasn't really integral to his character, unless he was a white supremacist or something of that sort. So I'd see no problem in making him a different race.


Did I say I had problems of black actors playing in a Batman movie? No. If Nolan gets black actor to play then it has to be Denzel Washington as Dent I was just saying.

[Keyser Sushi]

Yeah, but when Batman started out, how many black people WERE in comics? In Two-Face's case (as it was in Kingpin's in DareDevil), the colour of his skin wasn't really integral to his character, unless he was a white supremacist or something of that sort. So I'd see no problem in making him a different race.

Harvey was black in Batman '89 - he was portrayed by Billy Dee Williams, once and always true pimp. :up:

I always felt that it was a missed opportunity that they never took Billy Dee's Dent to the point of being Two-Face. Billy Dee would have been an awesome Two-Face, far better than Tommy Lee Jones. I love Tommy Lee Jones, but not as Harvey Dent / Two-Face.

Billy Dee is obviously handsome and a smooth operator, but he also has a dark side, and he can carry off menace extremely well. He would have been a perfect Two-Face.

That ship has, of course, sailed. But I'll always wonder what might have been.

[Nightwing]

Bob Hoskins for Penguin? Niiiice. I think Hoffman would make a good Two-Face, but I grew up with the animated series first, the comic second. I've always thought of Two-Face as African-American. Laurence Fishburne as Two-Face? Hell yes!

Yes. Like I said in my post before, Hoskins would be the ideal choice. Though it wasn't clear what he was saying "no" too in his interview a couple of months back, whether it was the sequel in particular or the role of Penguin in general. I'd hope that he comes back, or we start hearing about his participation again. If not, Hoffman would be fine by me.

I have nothing toward Harvey being black, he was in the '89 film which again was greatly done even if he didn't have that many scenes. I like the choice of Washington, but I have a feeling with the way everyone wants Dent to be potrayed in the sequel, Nolan will stick to the characters original roots. Either way, I'd be fine with. As long as it's done right.

Has anyone considered Jack Black for Penguin? Or would he be too energetic?
Also - Martin Short for the Mad Hatter. No other choice. None.

I think when the rumor hit of Black possibly determined to lose weight for the role of Joker, some people were a bit upset with it that they suggested him for Penguin instead. Martin Short for Mad Hatter, wouldn't be bad at all.

[Cinemaman]

I think Dent should be white man as he was in comics.

[Nightwing]

I think Dent should be white man as he was in comics.

I'm sure he will be....

[Katsuro]

Dent has to be white, because Liev Schreiber is white. I mean, I guess if Schreiber was black, then Dent could be black, but he's not. Schrebier for Dent, damnit!

As for Billy Dee, I hate that he was shafted out of playing Two-Face. Not only would he have made a great Two-Face, but the consistancy alone would've helped the tragedy of the character. With the cast change, most casual movie-goers would likely not even realize they were the same character, therefore there was no setup of the character Harvey before his transformation. If they'd have used Williams, then people could've gone back to B89 and noticed the same character and though "oh, it sucks what happens to this guy, he seems pretty cool". They sure did screw up on that one...

[AnimeJune]

I think Dent should be white man as he was in comics.:batman: GrammarBatGirl Translation: "I believe Dent should be Caucasian, so as to corrolate with the graphic novel version."

AnimeJune: :down
BatRacist: :up: - I mean, honestly - WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE? None! His appearance is important, yes - with half of a ravaged face. But does skin colour make a difference? No. In some cases, I think we have to be colourblind. Unless it screws up his backstory, I say race doesn't matter. By all means, if Dent, for instance, grew up in Southern comfort on a refurbished plantation with wealth and priviledge, then making him a man of colour would be an unrealistic change. But with his backstory now, what difference would it make?

The different that he would not look EXACTLY like he does in the comics? What human being alive today looks EXACTLY like Harvey Dent? No one. Comics aren't necessarily drawn with realism in mind - not all women have gigantic busoms and tiny waists, but can still manage to lift a truck into the air without breaking their spines.

[Katsuro]

What human being alive today looks EXACTLY like Harvey Dent?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/84/Lievschreiber.jpg
- not all women have gigantic busoms and tiny waists, but can still manage to lift a truck into the air without breaking their spines.

But they should...

[AnimeJune]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/84/Lievschreiber.jpg


But they should...Ah, 100% Cotton.

Yes, they should, Katsuro. Fewer would drown. But the world just isn't that way. Liev could do it, I'm not saying he can't - I've seen him in "The Manchurian Candidate". I just prefer Larry Fishburne.

[The Flash!]

I'm sure he will be....

Yeah same here, and by the way Rufus Sewell for Dent!! :) :up:

[Ronny Shade]

I mean, honestly - WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE? None! His appearance is important, yes - with half of a ravaged face. But does skin colour make a difference? No. In some cases, I think we have to be colourblind. Unless it screws up his backstory, I say race doesn't matter. By all means, if Dent, for instance, grew up in Southern comfort on a refurbished plantation with wealth and priviledge, then making him a man of colour would be an unrealistic change. But with his backstory now, what difference would it make?
That's the only reason I take issue with ANTHONYNASTI's casting of Denzel Washington as DKR Batman. It conflicts with the idea that the Waynes are an "old money" family. As we get more and more towards the future this will be less and less of an issue, but for now, it kinda still is.

TAS Harvey was kinda like TAS Lex Luthor. They were in-between races. Could've been either.

[Nightwing]

Yeah same here, and by the way Rufus Sewell for Dent!! :) :up:

Rufus Sewell would be make a great candidate for Dent, only thing is that his name has yet to be brought up for the role like Schrieber's or Lucas'. His name has mainly been a fan based choice. And yes, if Dent is true to his comic counterpart in the sequel the so be it. But as I've said before, if Nolan wants to revisit that version of the character in '89, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

Though I'm sure he'll remain his current race...

[Ronny Shade]

I'm positive Dent will be white. All the rumored contenders have been white.

[StorminNorman]

Ronny, man, what can I say....I love your Sig.

[Ronny Shade]

I knew you would.

[Nightwing]

I'm positive Dent will be white. All the rumored contenders have been white.

Exactly.

[AnimeJune]

That's the only reason I take issue with ANTHONYNASTI's casting of Denzel Washington as DKR Batman. It conflicts with the idea that the Waynes are an "old money" family. As we get more and more towards the future this will be less and less of an issue, but for now, it kinda still is.

TAS Harvey was kinda like TAS Lex Luthor. They were in-between races. Could've been either.An excellent point. And I'm also more or less certain that Two Face will be played by a white actor, for exactly your reasons - all the contenders are white. I'm just saying they shouldn't eliminate black actors from the running.

[kytrigger]

Ah, 100% Cotton.

Yes, they should, Katsuro. Fewer would drown. But the world just isn't that way. Liev could do it, I'm not saying he can't - I've seen him in "The Manchurian Candidate". I just prefer Larry Fishburne.

No, offense, but I would not want Larry Fishburne in the role. Not because he is black, but because he is ugly as sin. Harvey needs to be an attractive man.

[Keyser Sushi]

An excellent point. And I'm also more or less certain that Two Face will be played by a white actor, for exactly your reasons - all the contenders are white. I'm just saying they shouldn't eliminate black actors from the running.

Agreed. I've said it before but honestly, for me, Billy Dee Williams was the best casting choice for Harvey Dent EVER, black, white, or otherwise... but I can't think of any other black actor right now, honestly, whom I like as much for the role. I mean if they cast a black man as Harvey, it's gotta be because he would totally own the role - the way Michael Clarke Duncan was the best possible choice for Kingpin (and he was, let's be honest).

As much as I like Laurence Fishburne, and Denzel Washington, I can't really see either of them as Harvey Dent. Denzel would be better than Fishburne, though. But whomever plays Harvey needs to be a REALLY smooth operator.

[AnimeJune]

Agreed. I've said it before but honestly, for me, Billy Dee Williams was the best casting choice for Harvey Dent EVER, black, white, or otherwise... but I can't think of any other black actor right now, honestly, whom I like as much for the role. I mean if they cast a black man as Harvey, it's gotta be because he would totally own the role - the way Michael Clarke Duncan was the best possible choice for Kingpin (and he was, let's be honest).

As much as I like Laurence Fishburne, and Denzel Washington, I can't really see either of them as Harvey Dent. Denzel would be better than Fishburne, though. But whomever plays Harvey needs to be a REALLY smooth operator.Fair enough - he IS supposed to be a very talented attorney before he goes bonkers. Tommy Lee Jones, bless his wrinkled little heart, was pure baked ham as Two-Face, with his origin being given a two-second mention on a television show. He was fun to watch, certainly, but Two-Face could have been done a whole lot better.

[Keyser Sushi]

Fair enough - he IS supposed to be a very talented attorney before he goes bonkers. Tommy Lee Jones, bless his wrinkled little heart, was pure baked ham as Two-Face, with his origin being given a two-second mention on a television show. He was fun to watch, certainly, but Two-Face could have been done a whole lot better.

LOL. Yes Batman Forever gave Two-Face the shaft on sooo many levels. As you said, the barely-there origin and Tomm Lee Jones's ridiculous performance. There was also the fact that with the origin being mostly missing, there was virtually no attention given to Harvey's relationship to Batman, except in passing references when they knew they needed the viewer to know about it. But it lacked any emotional resonance, which really bugged the hell out of me.

[StorminNorman]

When Tommy Lee and Jim Carrey get into a contest to see who can play the campiest villian ever - we all lose.

[AnimeJune]

LOL. Yes Batman Forever gave Two-Face the shaft on sooo many levels. As you said, the barely-there origin and Tomm Lee Jones's ridiculous performance. There was also the fact that with the origin being mostly missing, there was virtually no attention given to Harvey's relationship to Batman, except in passing references when they knew they needed the viewer to know about it. But it lacked any emotional resonance, which really bugged the hell out of me. I know. The Riddler is a funny villain - I can understand why they'd cast Jim Carrey. Two-Face never came across as anything but serious, so why he'd be making that "wine and roses, or in your case, pizza and beer" comment is still beyond me. The makeup, however, was quite good - and, yes, his halfway house and Drew Barrymore in Cherub getup.

When Tommy Lee and Jim Carrey get into a contest to see who can play the campiest villian ever - we all lose.

Exactly - NO ONE outcamps Jim Carrey. Tommy Lee trying to outcamp Jim Carrey is like William Hung trying to outsing Beyonce.

[Keyser Sushi]

I know. The Riddler is a funny villain - I can understand why they'd cast Jim Carrey. Two-Face never came across as anything but serious, so why he'd be making that "wine and roses, or in your case, pizza and beer" comment is still beyond me. The makeup, however, was quite good - and, yes, his halfway house and Drew Barrymore in Cherub getup.

****ty cherub. Sugar and Spice, LOL. The whole portrayal of Two-Face was comic -- some of it was indeed very funny, but as you say, not really in character. The makeup was okay, except the mouth still bothers me, and the fact that the scarred side of his head, where they'd made it appear that his ear was burned off, was bigger than the unscarred side. It looked fake, but it was done fairly well for a low-tech solution. I didn't like his suit, though. Too much. Way too much.

Exactly - NO ONE outcamps Jim Carrey. Tommy Lee trying to outcamp Jim Carrey is like William Hung trying to outsing Beyonce.

LOL! Or William Hung trying to outsing Pavarotti.

For the record, though, Riddler isn't really a funny villain. I mean he's been portrayed that way, yes; but really he's a calculating genius who just doesn't like being a social outcast. He wants to prove he's smarter than everybody else. IMO it's okay to get comic mileage out of it, as long as the character is not intentionally being funny.

[AnimeJune]

****ty cherub. Sugar and Spice, LOL. The whole portrayal of Two-Face was comic -- some of it was indeed very funny, but as you say, not really in character. The makeup was okay, except the mouth still bothers me, and the fact that the scarred side of his head, where they'd made it appear that his ear was burned off, was bigger than the unscarred side. It looked fake, but it was done fairly well for a low-tech solution. I didn't like his suit, though. Too much. Way too much.



LOL! Or William Hung trying to outsing Pavarotti.

For the record, though, Riddler isn't really a funny villain. I mean he's been portrayed that way, yes; but really he's a calculating genius who just doesn't like being a social outcast. He wants to prove he's smarter than everybody else. IMO it's okay to get comic mileage out of it, as long as the character is not intentionally being funny.True...still - you know the actor who played the 60s Riddler? I forget his name - he basically went back and did that on last year's season finale of CSI (the one directed by Tarantino) right before he died. He traps one of the CSIs in a mechanical glass coffin, and his voice on the tape player he leaves on the dude...took me back to when I was ten and they used to show the old Batman episodes on tV.

[Keyser Sushi]

True...still - you know the actor who played the 60s Riddler? I forget his name - he basically went back and did that on last year's season finale of CSI (the one directed by Tarantino) right before he died. He traps one of the CSIs in a mechanical glass coffin, and his voice on the tape player he leaves on the dude...took me back to when I was ten and they used to show the old Batman episodes on tV.

There were two Riddlers on that old show, actually... but do you mean Frank Gorshin? Frank Gorshin was awesome. :up:

I don't watch CSI, though. I prefer my cop shows to be... realistic. ;)

[Bat Attack]

True...still - you know the actor who played the 60s Riddler? I forget his name - he basically went back and did that on last year's season finale of CSI (the one directed by Tarantino) right before he died. He traps one of the CSIs in a mechanical glass coffin, and his voice on the tape player he leaves on the dude...took me back to when I was ten and they used to show the old Batman episodes on tV.
Frank Gorshin.

[AnimeJune]

There were two Riddlers on that old show, actually... but do you mean Frank Gorshin? Frank Gorshin was awesome. :up:

I don't watch CSI, though. I prefer my cop shows to be... realistic. ;)Yes, Frank Gorshin - on the tape, he was saying, "Tick-tock, CSI, you're gonna die in here" or something to that effect, it was excellent.

THEN he blows himself up! Awesome!

[Keyser Sushi]

Yes, Frank Gorshin - on the tape, he was saying, "Tick-tock, CSI, you're gonna die in here" or something to that effect, it was excellent.

THEN he blows himself up! Awesome!

Wow, excellent. I don't like CSI but I might be convinced to watch that episode for Frank Gorshin -- AKA "I'm black on the LEFT side!!! He's black on the RIGHT!!! DON'T YOU SEE?!?!?" :)

[Nightwing]

There were two Riddlers on that old show, actually... but do you mean Frank Gorshin? Frank Gorshin was awesome. :up:

True, true. Gorshin was really the ideal Riddler of his prime and time while on the show. Call it wishful thinking if you will, but if he were alive today I'd would've loved to see him make a very small cameo in Nolan's franchise. Not as the Riddler, but only to pay homage of always being part of the Bat-verse. Now that would've been great to see.

[Keyser Sushi]

True, true. Gorshin was really the ideal Riddler of his prime and time while on the show. Call it wishful thinking if you will, but if he were alive today I'd would've loved to see him make a very small cameo in Nolan's franchise. Not as the Riddler, but only to pay homage of always being part of the Bat-verse. Now that would've been great to see.

I agree. Gorshin was, in fact, ideal... he had the look and he had the right kidn of presence, too. The right demeanor. If it had been a serious Batman show, Gorshin would still have been perfect.

And it would have been cool for him to show up in a BB sequel someplace, too, I agree. He could easily have had a small cameo. :up:

[Nightwing]

I agree. Gorshin was, in fact, ideal... he had the look and he had the right kidn of presence, too. The right demeanor. If it had been a serious Batman show, Gorshin would still have been perfect.

Even if it was a serious based film, I believe he would've been the best. Not to mention he always had that schemish look like he always had one last trick up his sleeve. Which of course was always a great trait, considering that's half of what Riddler is all about. Catching you off guard right when you think you've beaten him. And I agree, his presence really was a factor.

And it would have been cool for him to show up in a BB sequel someplace, too, I agree. He could easily have had a small cameo. :up:

Way I imagine it happening is that he has a problem which only a D.A. can fix, that D.A. being Harvey Dent...:up:

[Keyser Sushi]

Even if it was a serious based film, I believe he would've been the best. Not to mention he always had that schemish look like he always had one last trick up his sleeve. Which of course was always a great trait, considering that's half of what Riddler is all about. Catching you off guard right when you think you've beaten him. And I agree, his presence really was a factor.

Yeah, Gorshin was awesome. :up: ??? :up:

I agree about the look, too - everything about him screamed "tricksy"... he seemed smart and nutty and devious and he looked all those things, too. I think to this day Frank Gorshin influences the way most of us think of the Riddler.

Way I imagine it happening is that he has a problem which only a D.A. can fix, that D.A. being Harvey Dent...:up:

Ahhh, right on. :up:

[Nightwing]

Yeah, Gorshin was awesome. :up: ??? :up:

I agree about the look, too - everything about him screamed "tricksy"... he seemed smart and nutty and devious and he looked all those things, too. I think to this day Frank Gorshin influences the way most of us think of the Riddler.

Exactly. Every episode that involved him, showed him with that devious grin he put on. As if to say we never knew what he was planning, all we had to do was watch to find out. I think that's one of the main reasons why so many became fond of his view on the character, and how he brought him to life. I've yet to see anyone that can out act him in the terms of wits he put in, when playing Riddler. And I doubt we ever will.

[Keyser Sushi]

Exactly. Every episode that involved him, showed him with that devious grin he put on. As if to say we never knew what he was planning, all we had to do was watch to find out. I think that's one of the main reasons why so many became fond of his view on the character, and how he brought him to life. I've yet to see anyone that can out act him in the terms of wits he put in, when playing Riddler. And I doubt we ever will.

Yeah, he was one of those rare instances of perfect casting... like Chris Reeve as Superman, or Viggo Mortensen as Aragorn... Frank Gorshin IS the Riddler, and always will be. He's the mental image we all have. Anybody trying to play the role has basically two options:

1.) Try to rip off Gorshin (which is nigh impossible since it was just something about the man)

2.) Try to reinterpret the character (which is equally pointless in a sense, as it takes us farther from the character's roots). Witness Jim Carrey, who dwelt on the physical aspects of Gorshin's performance but left out the real sense of intelligence and menace that always lay underneath with Gorshin.

I do believe, however, that the right actor can maybe equal Gorshin by honestly doing his own thing, and not relying on the memory of what has come before. There's good material for an actor in the Riddler as frustrated intellectual who has no social skills, the man who needs to prove he's smarter than everybody.

[AnimeJune]

Yeah, he was one of those rare instances of perfect casting... like Chris Reeve as Superman, or Viggo Mortensen as Aragorn... Frank Gorshin IS the Riddler, and always will be. He's the mental image we all have. Anybody trying to play the role has basically two options:

1.) Try to rip off Gorshin (which is nigh impossible since it was just something about the man)

2.) Try to reinterpret the character (which is equally pointless in a sense, as it takes us farther from the character's roots). Witness Jim Carrey, who dwelt on the physical aspects of Gorshin's performance but left out the real sense of intelligence and menace that always lay underneath with Gorshin.

I do believe, however, that the right actor can maybe equal Gorshin by honestly doing his own thing, and not relying on the memory of what has come before. There's good material for an actor in the Riddler as frustrated intellectual who has no social skills, the man who needs to prove he's smarter than everybody. While I understand why you guys are such fans of Frank Gorshin, it does seem a little unreasonable to say that no one in the world will be able to do a better job than Gorshin. I wouldn't want a new Riddler to be exactly the same as Gorshin's. The Batman comics, and their villains, have been through the blender for what? 60 years? How many different writers and comic series has the Riddler been in?

Reinterpreting the Riddler is the best idea for a different actor, I think - it explores a very popular character in ways that may have been overlooked.

[Cinemaman]

I think Riddler will have 2 scenes in BB3 as new villian.

Because it will not be so exciting to see only Two-Face and Joker from BB2.

Riddler will have very small part in third movie.

[AnimeJune]

I think Riddler will have 2 scenes in BB3 as new villian.

Because it will not be so exciting to see only Two-Face and Joker from BB2.

Riddler will have very small part in third movie.Two-Face + Riddler + Put in same room together = unpleasant Batman Forever flashbacks.

[ultimatefan]

People always mention one particular storyline they want the movie to be based on, but the thing is, it´s most likely to be a combination of different stories, like Begin was.

[The Batman]

Gorshin's Riddler is pretty much the only version of the character i can see standing toe to toe with the likes of joker and two face. Wouldnt mind seeing him or penguin in a small role in the sequel

[Keyser Sushi]

While I understand why you guys are such fans of Frank Gorshin, it does seem a little unreasonable to say that no one in the world will be able to do a better job than Gorshin. I wouldn't want a new Riddler to be exactly the same as Gorshin's. The Batman comics, and their villains, have been through the blender for what? 60 years? How many different writers and comic series has the Riddler been in?

Alright, babe - first off, I never said a new Riddler should be exactly the same as Gorshin's. In fact I'm fairly certain I said this would be a bad thing, because only Gorshin can be Gorshin. What I said was that an actor portraying Riddler has to do his own thing in order to get out of the shadow of Gorshin. I think I stuffed up some of what I'd meant to say, but I was trying to say that Jim Carrey's problem was that he had Gorshin on the brain. He tried to reinterpret the character but he was too conscious of Gorshin's work, so it created that total miscarriage of a performance in "Forever."

Reinterpreting the Riddler is the best idea for a different actor, I think - it explores a very popular character in ways that may have been overlooked.

It is, but in order to do it he has to forget Gorshin, otherwise he probably runs too far in a different direction; or else rips off Gorshin wholesale, which would be a bad thing. You see what I'm saying now?

I love arguing with you. I don't think I've ever been able to say that about a woman before. :up:


Gorshin's Riddler is pretty much the only version of the character i can see standing toe to toe with the likes of joker and two face. Wouldnt mind seeing him or penguin in a small role in the sequel.

I agree. What I'm hoping is that an actor, when given the chance, can bring equal strength to the character without ripping off Gorshin.

[Katsuro]

Man, all this talk about Frank Gorshin is making me want to watch the old TV series again. It's been so long since i've seen it. I'm pretty sure my video store carries it, maybe i'll go rent it...

[Keyser Sushi]

Man, all this talk about Frank Gorshin is making me want to watch the old TV series again. It's been so long since i've seen it. I'm pretty sure my video store carries it, maybe i'll go rent it...

It's been doing that to me, too, but I think if I watched it I wouldn't be able to wax nostalgic anymore. Instead I'd be... disturbed. I'd like to just get a clips reel of Frank Gorshin as Riddler and Yvonne Craig as Batgirl. That makes it all worthwhile.

Especially Yvonne Craig. :up:

[Nightwing]

I do believe, however, that the right actor can maybe equal Gorshin by honestly doing his own thing, and not relying on the memory of what has come before. There's good material for an actor in the Riddler as frustrated intellectual who has no social skills, the man who needs to prove he's smarter than everybody.

I believe that there's an actor who can match wits with what Gorshin accomplished as well, it's just a question of who. As long as they don't "rip him off," as you put it. I have to ask though, who in your opinion would be suitable for the role?

Edward Norton has been a personal choice of mine for as long as I can remember. But I see him more of Jim Lee's version of the character in Hush, besides that he's just a good an actor as anyone else in the movie business. David Hyde Pierce has also been a choice I favor, he's got that Riddler esque look to him as well.

[Keyser Sushi]

I believe that there's an actor who can match wits with what Gorshin accomplished as well, it's just a question of who. As long as they don't "rip him off," as you put it. I have to ask though, who in your opinion would be suitable for the role?

Edward Norton has been a personal choice of mine for as long as I can remember. But I see him more of Jim Lee's version of the character in Hush, besides that he's just a good an actor as anyone else in the movie business. David Hyde Pierce has also been a choice I favor, he's got that Riddler esque look to him as well.

I've never really had an actor in mind. There's nobody who pops out to me as being immediately perfect for the role, but admittedly I haven't given it much thought. I like Ed Norton and David Hyde Pierce, and I could easily see either of them as Riddler. I think David Hyde Pierce would be really good as a TAS-style Riddler, honestly, though I can see him being a little screwier, too. That's not a bad choice at all.

And Ed Norton is always great. :up:

[Nightwing]

I've never really had an actor in mind. There's nobody who pops out to me as being immediately perfect for the role, but admittedly I haven't given it much thought. I like Ed Norton and David Hyde Pierce, and I could easily see either of them as Riddler. I think David Hyde Pierce would be really good as a TAS-style Riddler, honestly, though I can see him being a little screwier, too. That's not a bad choice at all.

And Ed Norton is always great. :up:

Pierce is a great comparsion to the TAS Riddler, I think the resemblance he has is almost uncanny. Personally, Pierce would be the ideal choice if ever they were going to base the character on that particular version. While Norton would absolutely be best suited for a future film while Nolan is still on board the franchise. Jeff Goldblum would also make a great candidate, his name was brought up frequently before as a favorite choice to some people.

[CrypticOne]

Sorry if this has been posted already,and there's probably nothing much in here we don't already know,but I thought I'd post some scans from the latest issue of Wizard about what they're saying about the Begins Sequal.




They also did a poll on what readers thought which Batman story should influence the sequal.The results were as follows:

The Killing Joke: 41%
The Long Halloween: 26%
Arkham Asylum: 10%
Original story: 7%
Batman Dark Detective: 5%
Batman the Cult: 3%

There was other little articles like there's no plans to do a Batman/Superman crossover movie.Katie Holmes may still return.And although Nolan and Goyer are not officially returning for the sequal,they both want to return.

I'd like to see The Killing Joke. That would be cool.