The Nightwing OYL Discussion Thread

[sinewave]

Okay, I had to start this thread after reading the third issue of the OYL arc of Nightwing. Does anyone out there think this book anything other than horrible? It seems like the books are getting worse and worse as they go along. Bruce Jones and this Joe Dodd jackass are butchering this character and I'm getting pretty damn sick of it. Coming off IC I thought DC was going to start pushing Nightwing to the forefront and really making him one of their premier characters. Judd Winnick is doing a decent job of making him an interesting character and a competent team leader in Outsiders, but in his own book the poor guy is getting raped hard. First, they just ignore his engagement to Babs from the pre-OYL arc, then they throw him in NYC with that jackass Jason Todd following him around and trying to destroy his rep. Now they've turned Dick into a male model and did one of the stupidest things I've ever seen done to a character. They've had him walk out on a catwalk in his costume, basically outting him and potentially damaging his secret identity and those of his close compatriots like Bruce and Tim. Then, they have him duke it out with Jason Todd (not in costume) while in his fashion-ized Nightwing costume while people who know his identity are in the crowd. Then there's the art. It's compeletely inconsistent and disproportionate. Plus, the flow of it is utter ****e. This is such a slap in the face to all the fans that have followed Dick's carreer and loved the character all these years. I really don't want to drop this title since I've been reading it non-stop for years, but with every issue it's getting harder to resist that impulse. Anyone else feel the same way?

[Harlekin]

:eek: Pretty please tell me that this isn't true. :( A male model!?

[GoldenAgeHero]

dropped it last issue.imnot picking up this book again, until a new crea....you know what **** it. im not that much of anightwing fan any way, i pulled the title to get interested in him but its not worth it.

[sinewave]

:eek: Pretty please tell me that this isn't true. :( A male model!?

seriously. and there's so much buzz about nightwing in the papers that his girlfriend/employer designs a clothing line based on the nightwing costume and dresses him up in it and he actually goes along with it! :down

[RAMORE]

BS i scream

[Harlekin]

Okay, last issue of this arc should just have Dick waking up and find Barbara in the shower.

[Till_the_End]

^^Yeah I am hoping for that as well.
I don't mind Jason Todd, but that model thing. It is just so...."girlish".
The story of Richard Grayson is to me one of the greatest hero stories ever. Give him a little dignity.
And why isn't he in Bludhaven fighting for his city?

[Nightwing]

The book has been off my list since the last issue as well. I thought it was going to be an enjoyable read like the other OYL titles, but obviously that didn't happen. Before OYL began, they ended Dick's life with a new beginning, that being his proposal to Barbara. Then mess it all up by making him sleep around with random woman whose names he doesn't know? That isn't the way to go with him, nor give the character the respect he deserves. I honestly want an explanation as to what happend, if not maybe 52 will be the book to explain it. I just don't want to see it forgotten about like that, since it was a new turning point that alot of fans wanted to see.

I resent the idea that Dick has changed his costume by applying a utility belt to his waist, when clearly his gauntlets served as his own. It's one of the things that made him his own hero, along with adding a side pocket for his escrimas sticks when he used to put them on his back. I DON'T like that fact that they gave Jason his old look, and now we're expecting to see a female Nightwing? I'm not going to waste my time with it until the book starts to pick up again.

[sinewave]

The book has been off my list since the last issue as well. I thought it was going to be an enjoyable read like the other OYL titles, but obviously that didn't happen. Before OYL began, they ended Dick's life with a new beginning, that being his proposal to Barbara. Then mess it all up by making him sleep around with random woman whose names he doesn't know? That isn't the way to go with him, nor give the character the respect he deserves. I honestly want an explanation as to what happend, if not maybe 52 will be the book to explain it. I just don't want to see it forgotten about like that, since it was a new turning point that alot of fans wanted to see.

I resent the idea that Dick has changed his costume by applying a utility belt to his waist, when clearly his gauntlets served as his own. It's one of the things that made him his own hero, along with adding a side pocket for his escrimas sticks when he used to put them on his back. I DON'T like that fact that they gave Jason his old look, and now we're expecting to see a female Nightwing? I'm not going to waste my time with it until the book starts to pick up again.


actually, in the latest issue he and jason are wearing the same identical costume. no utility belt or liefield-esque leg-belt. at least they got that right.

on another related topic, it looks like the girl he slept with in the first issue of this arc and who is nonw his boss actually has some superpowers and apparently, at least according to the cover of issue #122, she don's nightwing's costume also. talk about a cluster-f**k! i'm wondering, with all the speculation on who the mysterious new "batwoman" is, and since she has red hair, could this new super**** that dick is banging be the new batwoman?

[Nightwing]

actually, in the latest issue he and jason are wearing the same identical costume. no utility belt or liefield-esque leg-belt. at least they got that right.

Glad to hear that atleast changed.

on another related topic, it looks like the girl he slept with in the first issue of this arc and who is nonw his boss actually has some superpowers and apparently, at least according to the cover of issue #122, she don's nightwing's costume also. talk about a cluster-f**k! i'm wondering, with all the speculation on who the mysterious new "batwoman" is, and since she has red hair, could this new super**** that dick is banging be the new batwoman?

It was obvious that it was her on the cover, due to the fact that her hands glow the same way when it first showed she had a metahuman capability. Which, I can't believe they're doing cause this'll be the fourth Nightwing we have. Considering Powergirl will be calling herself the same name soon.

Speaking of who the new Batwoman is, that's actually a good theory you have. But considering she appears in 52, it doesn't seem likely that it could be her. I mean the red hair is a factor of course, there's a slight chance it could be someone new or current to the comics with a wig or new dye. Or, like so many have speculated, Barbara could very well be walking again. Though she was shown in the Birds of Prey to still be in her wheelchair....

[sinewave]

Glad to hear that atleast changed.



It was obvious that it was her on the cover, due to the fact that her hands glow the same way when it first showed she had a metahuman capability. Which, I can't believe they're doing cause this'll be the fourth Nightwing we have. Considering Powergirl will be calling herself the same name soon.

Speaking of who the new Batwoman is, that's actually a good theory you have. But considering she appears in 52, it doesn't seem likely that it could be her. I mean the red hair is a factor of course, there's a slight chance it could be someone new or current to the comics with a wig or new dye. Or, like so many have speculated, Barbara could very well be walking again. Though she was shown in the Birds of Prey to still be in her wheelchair....

who was in 52?

[SouLeSS]

I've yet to pick up this weeks issue, but from what I've read in OYL, 120 is gonna be the last I buy because I enjoy the series, and 121 + is because I might as well.

[Nightwing]

who was in 52?

Batwoman, she appears for the first time in issue #11.

[sinewave]

Batwoman, she appears for the first time in issue #11.

really? hmmm.... i guess i'm wrong then.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Okay, must be somethin' wrong with me 'cause I've been enjoying Nightwing so far. Maybe it's 'cause I have no history with th' character, but I haven't been bothered. And th' male model stuff is just funny. Haven't read th' latest yet so can't comment on that "debacle".

[GoldenAgeHero]

Okay, must be somethin' wrong with me 'cause I've been enjoying Nightwing so far. Maybe it's 'cause I have no history with th' character, but I haven't been bothered. And th' male model stuff is just funny. Haven't read th' latest yet so can't comment on that "debacle".

let me put it this way, your a wolverine fan right? now imgaine some shnitty writer, writing wolverine as a sloppy character, he isnt the same character he use to be before now(he doesnt have that ruff edge to him,such as giving him a spiderman personality but gayer) now imgaine the writer turning him into a male model....see what were saying.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Oh, you mean every issue of Wolverine from 125 to HoM? Th' male model thing I find funny. Nice misunderstandin' touch there.

[sinewave]

let me put it this way, your a wolverine fan right? now imgaine some shnitty writer, writing wolverine as a sloppy character, he isnt the same character he use to be before now(he doesnt have that ruff edge to him,such as giving him a spiderman personality but gayer) now imgaine the writer turning him into a male model....see what were saying.

while the male model thing is annoying, especially considering that dick is an extremely intelligent and well-trained guy and wouldn't stoop to that level just a to make a few bucks, the part that really pisses me off the most is that the writer and editor(s) show so much disrespect for the character that they think he'd be so careless enough with his identity as to let some skank he slept with once or twice find out his secret identity so easily. plus, the fact that his nightwing persona is all over the newspapers in that town, he thinks that no one will notice that he looks exactly like nightwing while dressed up in basically his exact nightwing costume during the damn fashion show! also, he and jason duke it out in front of hundreds of people and the media during the fashion show and he just blows it off assuming that the audience will think it's part of the show, even though i've never seen a model who was basically a trained ninja and acrobat doing the things that nightwing is able to do. on top of that, he's fighting someone, jason, who's in street clothes and whose identity is somehow known in the fashion industry (????) and he's holding his own against nightwing and nobody puts two and two together that those two are the "twin nightwings" that are causing such a huge buzz in the city. that is just so offensive to the readers on so many levels. f**k! they better find a way to fix this s**t or i'm going to be seriously pissed at dc for a long time. bruce jones is officially my least favorite writer working today.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Fer th' record, I haven't read 120 yet so don't take anythin' I said as a defense of it. I'm sure i'd probably agree based on all I've just read.

[sinewave]

Fer th' record, I haven't read 120 yet so don't take anythin' I said as a defense of it. I'm sure i'd probably agree based on all I've just read.

trust me, i'm not getting defensive over anything you've said. i'm just pissed to hell at the way they're f**king up one of my favorite characters.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Didn't say ya were, just wanted to clarify fer everyone before I got jumped on.

[Assassin]

its okay for me, but then again i liked the last mob arc with ravager

[Darthphere]

SO the general consensus is this book is pretty bad?

[Nightwing]

its okay for me, but then again i liked the last mob arc with ravager

It was alright.

SO the general consensus is this book is pretty bad?

That's basically what this whole thread is about.

[sinewave]

SO the general consensus is this book is pretty bad?

nah, i was just kidding. it's actually the besy OYL comic out there.

[Darthphere]

nah, i was just kidding. it's actually the besy OYL comic out there.


So thats a yes. Whew! Continue the hate please. Ill join in eventually. I think you guys covered everything I hate about this book so far. A ****ing male model.:(

[sinewave]

So thats a yes. Whew! Continue the hate please. Ill join in eventually. I think you guys covered everything I hate about this book so far. A ****ing male model.:(

yup. i wonder if he's gonna start doing blow with kate moss? i'm sure arsenal could hook him up with his old dealer.

[Darthphere]

yup. i wonder if he's gonna start doing blow with kate moss? i'm sure arsenal could hook him up with his old dealer.


Well thats hoping Roy is still alive.....or that DC even remembers he exists.



Either way, Jason Todd is a character that needs to die.

[sinewave]

Either way, Jason Todd is a character that needs to die.

as long as he takes bruce jones with him, i'm fine with that.

[Darthphere]

as long as he takes bruce jones with him, i'm fine with that.


Naughtwing has been Bruce...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v176/darthphere/Bruce_Jowned.jpg

[sethcohen]

im still getting it because nightwing is one of my absolute faves... but the art is messy at best and the story is uninspired... like jason todd... why the hate on dick? seriously... was he just bored so he said, aw screw it, ill dress up like nightwing? lame... it would be bad ass if he started dressing up as bats to discredit him... but dont let bruce jones write it...

[sinewave]

im still getting it because nightwing is one of my absolute faves... but the art is messy at best and the story is uninspired... like jason todd... why the hate on dick? seriously... was he just bored so he said, aw screw it, ill dress up like nightwing? lame... it would be bad ass if he started dressing up as bats to discredit him... but dont let bruce jones write it...

yeah, that's what i don't get. they've never given a good excuse as to why jason todd is f**king with dick so much. feel free to make any kind of gay jokes you want about that last line.

[Darthphere]

yeah, that's what i don't get. they've never given a good excuse as to why jason todd is f**king with dick so much. feel free to make any kind of gay jokes you want about that last line.


Jason Todd was 2nd Robin, he feel second best to Dick.

[sinewave]

Naughtwing has been Bruce...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v176/darthphere/Bruce_Jowned.jpg

aaarrrrgggghhh!!!!! why'd you do that?!?!? now that face will haunt my dreams!!!!

[sinewave]

Jason Todd was 2nd Robin, he feel second best to Dick.


lame. he's as whiney as sbp.

[The Aquaman]

Lol!

[sethcohen]

Jason Todd was 2nd Robin, he feel second best to Dick.
if thats his motivation, then it just serves to show how poor a writer bruce jones is... he didnt even imply it subtly... he just left it out completely and assumed the reader would get it... lame... and whos the editor for that? isnt it the editors job to point out gaping plot holes like that?

[sinewave]

if thats his motivation, then it just serves to show how poor a writer bruce jones is... he didnt even imply it subtly... he just left it out completely and assumed the reader would get it... lame... and whos the editor for that? isnt it the editors job to point out gaping plot holes like that?

yup, it's partially the editor's fault this books sucks so much. i think all the bat-books have the same editor so this guy's doing an okay job, better on the batman titles, crappy on nightwing and okay on robin. i still found a few gaffs in the last issue of robin, but it was still a pretty decent read, overall.

[Doc Destruction]

lame. he's as whiney as sbp.

He used to be. He's hardcore badass now. Love the rebirth.

[Brian Braddock]

He used to be. He's hardcore badass now. Love the rebirth.

I 2nd that motion - Jason has so much potential now its untrue. Regardless of how the characters written, Batman (and Nightwing) once more have a true enemy who can match them step for step.

Theres a lot of potential with the character.

A failed hero whos now a badass bad guy. :up:

[sinewave]

He used to be. He's hardcore badass now. Love the rebirth.

no, he's just a psycho. he's basically doing what sbp did to conner in IC. he's jealous that he's not dick so he's acting like a prick and trying to destroy him.

[Brian Braddock]

no, he's just a psycho. he's basically doing what sbp did to conner in IC. he's jealous that he's not dick so he's acting like a prick and trying to destroy him.


Maybe hes a psycho - maybe hes just a dick (no pun intended)

But theres no denying he has the skills to match Bats physically and mentally - thats what qualifies him as a badass imo.

[sinewave]

Maybe hes a psycho - maybe hes just a dick (no pun intended)

But theres no denying he has the skills to match Bats physically and mentally - thats what qualifies him as a badass imo.

true, but he needs his own identity. it's stupid to keep stealing other people's.

[Brian Braddock]

true, but he needs his own identity. it's stupid to keep stealing other people's.

Thats a fair point - again, thats a problem with the writing - not the character.

Once Jason settles down and becomes his own man, he'll be the rogue Robin who coudnt make the grade as a hero, 'turned to the dark side' and is now a major player/villain in the DCU.

Hopefully.


If written decently........

[TheCorpulent1]

Uh... the writing is the character. :confused:

Anyway, Jason Todd remains as worthless as ever, in my opinion. The sooner he's killed off, the better.

[sinewave]

Thats a fair point - again, thats a problem with the writing - not the character.

Once Jason settles down and becomes his own man, he'll be the rogue Robin who coudnt make the grade as a hero, 'turned to the dark side' and is now a major player/villain in the DCU.

Hopefully.


If written decently........

that's alll i'm asking for, some competent writing with respect to the characters and their histories. not this drivel.

[Brian Braddock]

Uh... the writing is the character. :confused:

Anyway, Jason Todd remains as worthless as ever, in my opinion. The sooner he's killed off, the better.


Well. you have your view; I have mine. Fair enough.

I just feel that better writing could make the character better. Maybe then he wouldnt be as worthless as you think.

[SpideyInATree]

Yeah, this book really isn't that good. I was expecting good things from this since Devin Grayson left but...maybe I was hasty in that decision.

The artwork doesn't sit too well with me.

And the only thing that has me the least bit interested is the fact that Jason Todd is dressing up like Nightwing. Other than that I'd probably be dropping this book. :(

[hippie_hunter]

Winnick did an awesome job with Jason Todd, just like Loeb did with Hush. It was the writer that took over the character is what is making him lame, Jones is making Jason suck as much as Lieberman made Hush suck

[sinewave]

Winnick did an awesome job with Jason Todd, just like Loeb did with Hush. It was the writer that took over the character is what is making him lame, Jones is making Jason suck as much as Lieberman made Hush suck

very true. :up:

lieberman also made prometheus suck, as well.

[Brian Braddock]

Winnick did an awesome job with Jason Todd, just like Loeb did with Hush. It was the writer that took over the character is what is making him lame, Jones is making Jason suck as much as Lieberman made Hush suck


Yep, totally agree.

As I said in a previous post, it's not Jason that sucks - just the current writing of him.

[hippie_hunter]

very true. :up:

lieberman also made prometheus suck, as well.

I still wonder why DC let Liberman make Prometheus, Hush's little b***h :o

[TheCorpulent1]

Well. you have your view; I have mine. Fair enough.

I just feel that better writing could make the character better. Maybe then he wouldnt be as worthless as you think.
No, he'll always be as worthless as I think. I still think Bucky is a worthless character over at Marvel, even though Brubaker made his return bearable.

[Darthphere]

No, he'll always be as worthless as I think. I still think Bucky is a worthless character over at Marvel, even though Brubaker made his return bearable.


Yeah better than punching a wall....*cough*

[Brian Braddock]

No, he'll always be as worthless as I think. I still think Bucky is a worthless character over at Marvel, even though Brubaker made his return bearable.


And as I said - thats your opinion.

My opinion is that the character has potential.

I guess we just have different views on the subject.

[Harlekin]

No, he'll always be as worthless as I think. I still think Bucky is a worthless character over at Marvel, even though Brubaker made his return bearable.
Same here. The story involving Bucky was great, but beyond that, meh.

[TheCorpulent1]

And as I said - thats your opinion.

My opinion is that the character has potential.

I guess we just have different views on the subject.
I never said it wasn't just my opinion. :confused:

[Darthphere]

No, actually its fact. Traithlon probably has loads of potential as well, doesnt change the fact that hes a crappy character.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, he was pretty crappy. I kind of liked him when he got more tied into the 3-D Man, though. Kind of like Beast Wars; it was just kind of there until the ties to G1 started coming in. Then it got awesome.

[sethcohen]

the bottom line here is that DC is stupid for handing beloved characters off to sucky, unproven writers... let them play with the c listers for a while... see if they can make them interesting... any writer worth their salt can take even the lamest character and find an angle that gets people interested... in my opinion (theres that phrase again! haha) you could have grant morrison write a book about the wondertwins and he would find a way to make it bad ass... just like you can have chuck austen write superman and make it blow...

[SouLeSS]

Who knows, Dick could of went through something really tramatic while off on the Batcruise.

I just read 120 today. Kinda funny how Todd's about to get owned. Hard.

[warren_sparta27]

just read 120, i liked it better than the others in the arc so far, but it is isn't great. cover art is abit off putting to me. and i know that cheyenne is going to wear a nightwing costume soon, which is going to be horrid, but at,least Jason is going to get the living crap kicked outta him. :)

[TheCorpulent1]

I also liked #120 better than the first two issues. It wasn't good, per se, it was just less bad and had a moment or two that didn't completely suck. The male model thing blew it pretty bad, though.

[Darthphere]

Who knows, Dick could of went through something really tramatic while off on the Batcruise.

I just read 120 today. Kinda funny how Todd's about to get owned. Hard.


Like what exactly, it was a bonding experience.:confused:

[TheCorpulent1]

Maybe Bruce tried to touch him in... that way. Not for any physical attraction--Dick's way too old for him. But, y'know, for old times' sake. :(

[SouLeSS]

Hah, I was gonna say "Bruce tends to go after little boys" but then I read the rest of your post.

Darthphere - Who knows. Apparntally his proposal to Babs went to ****, he moved what city he was looking over, and he's a closet alcoholic (though they havn't shown it yet. You can just tell)

[LadyVader]

I read the last 3 issues just because you made me curious. Nightwing is indeed... disappointing. Before Infinite Crisis it seemed like he finally got his act together but now he's down in the dumps... again.
For some reason the only capacity in which I truly like Dick is that of a leader. He seems to be great at motivating other people but not himself.

[Mr. Green]

First DC title I've ever bought. Not bad. Not great. I bet this will get better. I like Bruce Jones' writing so I will pobably like this if he keeps putting out issues like the last one.

[Anubis]

You sure picked a terrible book to start out on.

[Darthphere]

You sure picked a terrible book to start out on.


LOL! Exactly what I was thinking.

[SouLeSS]

First DC title I've ever bought. Not bad. Not great. I bet this will get better. I like Bruce Jones' writing so I will pobably like this if he keeps putting out issues like the last one.

Good lord, if you think the OYL stuff is good, start reading it from issue 1. You'll be amazed.

[The_Mystery]

Geoff Johns said in an interview that he would love to take over Nightwing. Team him up with Shane Davis and you've got yourself a top 25 title.

[sinewave]

Geoff Johns said in an interview that he would love to take over Nightwing. Team him up with Shane Davis and you've got yourself a top 25 title.

damn straight!

[yenaled]

Yeah, that and we'd never get anohter issue of Green Lantern on time again.

[The_Mystery]

Yeah, that and we'd never get anohter issue of Green Lantern on time again.


Actually, they could just take him off Green Lantern and put someone else on it.

[TheCorpulent1]

Given that Green Lantern is easily his worst title, I wouldn't mind that. I doubt Johns would leave GL, though. Restoring Hal to greatness seems to be a personal goal for him. Not that Hal was ever all that great to begin with.

[SpideyInATree]

Geoff Johns said in an interview that he would love to take over Nightwing. Team him up with Shane Davis and you've got yourself a top 25 title.

Johns on Nightwing could definitely inject some greatness back into the book. It'd make my day if he started writing it.

Like right now. :O

[sinewave]

Given that Green Lantern is easily his worst title, I wouldn't mind that. I doubt Johns would leave GL, though. Restoring Hal to greatness seems to be a personal goal for him. Not that Hal was ever all that great to begin with.

sure he was. plenty of people identify with him as the green lantern. i like him.

[sinewave]

Johns on Nightwing could definitely inject some greatness back into the book. It'd make my day if he started writing it.

Like right now. :O

agreed. i want to see johns on green arrow, also.

[TheCorpulent1]

sure he was. plenty of people identify with him as the green lantern. i like him.
That's nice for "plenty of people." I never thought he was that great. Regardless, Alan Scott is the Green Lantern. First and still the best.

[Darthphere]

That's nice for "plenty of people." I never thought he was that great. Regardless, Alan Scott is the Green Lantern. First and still the best.


Damn right. I love Hal too, Kyle, John, Guy, damn I love all the Green Lanterns but I never saw anything special in Hal.

[Nightwing]

Johns on Nightwing would finally allow the character to get the respect he deserves, I wouldn't mind him at all. I loved reading his Flash, and his current run with the Titans has really be worth reading.

Unfortunately it won't happen anytime soon...

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Okay, read 120...did suck a bit. Not as badly as people are saying, but it wasn't great by any means.

[TheCorpulent1]

Damn right. I love Hal too, Kyle, John, Guy, damn I love all the Green Lanterns but I never saw anything special in Hal.
I'm gonna assume that first name's supposed to be "Alan" because otherwise that list means one of us must be insane.

[Darthphere]

I'm gonna assume that first name's supposed to be "Alan" because otherwise that list means one of us must be insane.


Damn right is me agreeing with you on Alan. Then I say I love Hal as well. C'mon Corp, youre better than this.

[TheCorpulent1]

But if you never saw anything special in Hal, how could you still love him? That basically means you're a cheap whore. :(

[Darthphere]

But if you never saw anything special in Hal, how could you still love him? That basically means you're a cheap whore. :(


Hes cool and all, but some Hal fans go overboard with him. He can be a pretty good character but most of the time hes bland.

[TheCorpulent1]

Most of the good Hal stories I've read came after the Parallax stuff. Waid's The Brave and the Bold, for example. The Neal Adams GL/GA stories are the best pre-Parallax Hal stories I've read, and even there GA was the far more interesting character. Johns rebooted Hal to basically a carbon copy of his Silver Age self and, lo and behold, the GL comic has pretty much sucked. I think that says something.

[Darthphere]

Most of the good Hal stories I've read came after the Parallax stuff. Waid's The Brave and the Bold, for example. The Neal Adams GL/GA stories are the best pre-Parallax Hal stories I've read, and even there GA was the far more interesting character.


Hell yeah!

[The_Mystery]

Mark Miller probably could get me interested in a GL comic starring Hal Jordan. I wouldn't say that Geoff Johns' GL book is bad, but it just lacks a "spark". I feel like he's trying too hard to make Hal "cool."

[Nightwing]

Mystery, could you provide a link to where you read that Johns was interested in writing Nightwing?

[The_Mystery]

Check it out


http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70726

[Nightwing]

Thank you.

[Anubis]

Dude! He said the QUestion may be getting his own title, so I guess that means he survives 52.

[The_Mystery]

Y'know, I remember a time when the Nightwing series was selling more than the main bat-titles. I miss those days...

[TheCorpulent1]

Dude! He said the QUestion may be getting his own title, so I guess that means he survives 52.
I have a feeling they'll kill Ralph off. After Identity Crisis, there seems to be no real point to the character anymore. There seems to be no chance of his returning to his former cheerful, fun-loving personality, and bringing Sue back would be pretty much unthinkable at this point, so it's either let him continue on in a funk or turn him into a darker anti-hero, it seems. Neither of those seem very good for Ralph.

[SouLeSS]

I'de personally like to see The Question killed off in a heroic style towards the end of 52, rather than having him have his own ongoing.

[Mr. Green]

You sure picked a terrible book to start out on.
Hahaha. Yeah, I was just wanting to see how Bruce Jones was going to do. I don't think he's doing bad enough to give up hope though.

As for DC, how's the Flash's OYL stuff? I have always liked the character but every time I pick it up in the CBS I am immediately turned off by the crappy art.

[warren_sparta27]

i think that Hal arguement about who is the better GL.
he is easily the most well recognised of the lanterns, and although alan scott is kool and all that jazz, Hal is awsome.

[LadyVader]

You're right he's the most recognised. I don't think I remember any other GL's that went insane and tried to destroy the universe... but my memory is faulty.

[yenaled]

I honestly think one of thing that is killing Hal for me is the speed at which we get his solo book. We havn't got issue #11 yet, but the book has been running about 15 months?

The slow pace of the books release seems coupled with the slow and boring antics of the protagonist.

[sinewave]

Damn right. I love Hal too, Kyle, John, Guy, damn I love all the Green Lanterns but I never saw anything special in Hal.

i guess since i'm a big green arrow fan i've always had an appreciation for his and hal's relationship, also for hal himself.

[TheCorpulent1]

As for DC, how's the Flash's OYL stuff? I have always liked the character but every time I pick it up in the CBS I am immediately turned off by the crappy art.
The Flash's OYL stuff is not out yet. I think it starts in another month, sometime near the end of June.
i think that Hal arguement about who is the better GL.
he is easily the most well recognised of the lanterns, and although alan scott is kool and all that jazz, Hal is awsome.
If recognition were any benchmark for quality, Wolverine would be better than every other Marvel character combined except for Spider-Man. :o

Anyway, it wasn't an argument. I just gave my opinion on Hal, which is that he ain't got **** on Alan or Kyle or Guy or Kilowog. The only Lantern I'd take Hal over, really, is John, and that's just because John is probably the single most boring comic book character ever created.

[Darthphere]

Technically, nowaday if you poll people on the streets theyll tell you Green Lantern is black.

[TheCorpulent1]

Also a good point. Even though the cartoon John isn't much like the comic John, he's probably at least as recognizable as Hal at this point. I'm just waiting for the comics to have John shave his head and join the Army.

[Darthphere]

Also a good point. Even though the cartoon John isn't much like the comic John, he's probably at least as recognizable as Hal at this point. I'm just waiting for the comics to have John shave his head and join the Army.


You say that like its a bad thing. Hes an architect, maybe he was with the Army Corps of Engineers. *cough*copyrighted idea*cough*

[sinewave]

how did this turn into a green lantern thread?

[TheCorpulent1]

You say that like its a bad thing. Hes an architect, maybe he was with the Army Corps of Engineers. *cough*copyrighted idea*cough*
I think John could be interesting without reverting him to the militaristic cartoon version. Plus, it always feels kind of wrong when other media portrayals influence the comics' portrayals to me.

[Darthphere]

I think John could be interesting without reverting him to the militaristic cartoon version. Plus, it always feels kind of wrong when other media portrayals influence the comics' portrayals to me.


Still, John needs to be more interesting.

[TheCorpulent1]

I doubt he ever will be. Maybe before, when Kyle was around as the main GL, he stood a shot of stealing some limelight. But now that he's in the GL ongoing as nothing but Earth's second-string GL and Hal's backup, he's pretty much doomed to sit on the sidelines while Johns puts the equivalent of a Hal Jordan Silver Age status quo orgasm on every page. :(

[batnkevlar]

Yeah dude, everyone I know thinks Green Lantern is black... cuz JLU rawks...

[Darthphere]

I doubt he ever will be. Maybe before, when Kyle was around as the main GL, he stood a shot of stealing some limelight. But now that he's in the GL ongoing as nothing but Earth's second-string GL and Hal's backup, he's pretty much doomed to sit on the sidelines while Johns puts the equivalent of a Hal Jordan Silver Age status quo orgasm on every page. :(


LMAO!

[SpideyInATree]

Y'know, I remember a time when the Nightwing series was selling more than the main bat-titles. I miss those days...

When was that? :confused:

[TheCorpulent1]

Probably when Dixon was on and it was really good.

[The_Mystery]

When was that? :confused:


During the first 24 or so issues, it was the best selling Bat-title.

[DGrayson]

I haven't been able to read the OYL arc, so I was wondering if anyone can post some scans just to see how Jason and Dick look like and Dick's apparent new costume from number 118.

Thanks in advance.

[SpideyInATree]

During the first 24 or so issues, it was the best selling Bat-title.

That explains a lot then. I stopped reading the Batman titles right around when Nightwing # 1 was coming out.

Missed out on good stuff apparently. But that's what back issues are for. :up:

[hippie_hunter]

This is the identity that Jason Todd is going to steal next :o :

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/107/img0464he.jpg

[Darthphere]

This is the identity that Jason Todd is going to steal next :o :

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/107/img0464he.jpg


Well isnt there going to be an impostor Batman now.:rolleyes:


DC, c'mon.

[sethcohen]

not sure if its an imposter or a dream sequence or something... the imposter kills the joker... doubt DC would let that slide... a little off topic... how was jasons relationship with bruce? like was bruce harder on him than on nightwing?

[TheCorpulent1]

No, Jason was just more of a douche than Nightwing.

[sethcohen]

well that i knew... i just cant remember if bruce was always favoring dick (snicker!) over jason... THAT could have made this story line awesome... taking out aggression from always being in dick's shadow... like "im just as good if not better than you and ill prove it to you and bruce by doing YOUR job as nightwing" and then going off the deep end and capping villains...

[The_Mystery]

Whoever takes over Nightwing from Bruce Jones better bring their A-game. I was kinda mad that Didio said he wanted Nightwing dead at the end of Infinite Crisis, but he did take my comic I created and read it, so all's forgiven. Anyway, for all you Nightwing fans, he said to look out for Nightwing #125. Better have some answers dammit!

[TheCorpulent1]

Nightwing's all uncharacteristic in Outsiders now, too. Superman calls him on the retarded bull**** he and the Outsiders have been pulling, so he threatens Supes with Kryptonite? Seriously, when did Nightwing take over Batman's role as the DC universe's resident prick?

[Ultimate_Superman]

All this is because Dick was suppose to be dead. It was last min. changed.

[TheCorpulent1]

I know, but I'm still confused about why they felt they needed to change him this drastically. This is a complete 180 from what the character had evolved to be. Dick used to be the linchpin of the superhero community--he was Bat family heir, he was friends with Superman, he founded the Titans and led the JLA, everyone loved him. Now he's doing his best to stay off the radar, violate all of the basic superhero morals, and basically be a jerk to everyone he had connections to before. :confused:

[sinewave]

I know, but I'm still confused about why they felt they needed to change him this drastically. This is a complete 180 from what the character had evolved to be. Dick used to be the linchpin of the superhero community--he was Bat family heir, he was friends with Superman, he founded the Titans and led the JLA, everyone loved him. Now he's doing his best to stay off the radar, violate all of the basic superhero morals, and basically be a jerk to everyone he had connections to before. :confused:

yeah, i didn't understand that confrontation with superman, either. both sides seemed to be out of line. that general definitely deserved far worse than what the outsiders did to him and it wasn't supes' place to get involved. they weren't killing the guy or anything, just making sure he couldn't hurt anyone ever again. i also had a problem with dick threatening supes with kryptonite. that was a low blow, in my opinion.

[Darthphere]

Dick is hardcore. Crappy but hardcore.

[TheCorpulent1]

yeah, i didn't understand that confrontation with superman, either. both sides seemed to be out of line. that general definitely deserved far worse than what the outsiders did to him and it wasn't supes' place to get involved. they weren't killing the guy or anything, just making sure he couldn't hurt anyone ever again. i also had a problem with dick threatening supes with kryptonite. that was a low blow, in my opinion.
I think Superman was spot-on for wanting to have a talk with Nightwing, actually. Only Nightwing was out of line in that situation. Nightwing wanted to take down the leader of Mali? Fine. He gets evidence of the atrocities he's committing and takes him to stand trial in international court. I think Superman just felt that the way Nightwing was handling the situation was moving beyond justice and into vengeance. Plus, you know how Superman's hearing is. For all we know, he heard Nightwing give Thunder the order to let Benin slaughter that village. That goes way beyond what's allowed in the superhero game.

[Darthphere]

Sadly, Nightwing is still written better in Outsiders than in his own book.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, yeah, but that's like comparing a pile of crap to a pile of burning, festering, year-old crap. I'll probably be dropping Outsiders if it hasn't improved by the end of this Mallah/Brain arc.

[MaskedManJRK]

I remember reading the first issue of Nightwing OYL, finishing it, putting back on the rack, and not reading any more after that. I just wasn't interested.

Thank the lord above that happened, 'cause if I read that male model bit, I would have probably snapped into a homicidal rage.

[sinewave]

I think Superman was spot-on for wanting to have a talk with Nightwing, actually. Only Nightwing was out of line in that situation. Nightwing wanted to take down the leader of Mali? Fine. He gets evidence of the atrocities he's committing and takes him to stand trial in international court. I think Superman just felt that the way Nightwing was handling the situation was moving beyond justice and into vengeance. Plus, you know how Superman's hearing is. For all we know, he heard Nightwing give Thunder the order to let Benin slaughter that village. That goes way beyond what's allowed in the superhero game.

yeah, i can see your point. i think dick and the outsiders are attempting to operate more like a covert special-ops team, rather than like a typical superhero team. i wonder if they might have some ties to a government agency and are just following orders? it seems like something the d.e.o. might try.

[TheCorpulent1]

Either way, it seems awfully strange for Nightwing to have adopted this questionable morality deal again, when before the Crisis hit he had just recommitted himself to following the moral example of Batman. Batman would never be caught dead using some of the tactics Nightwing's employed in this first mission alone.

[jaydawg]

Yeah dude, everyone I know thinks Green Lantern is black... cuz JLU rawks...
JLU does "rawk" actually. And their John is pretty much a better GL than any Lantern ever. Well.... maybe not Alan, but its close.

[TheCorpulent1]

JLU John annoyed me. He's a bit too brusque. He was almost a mix of the comics' John and Guy, actually.

[The Caped Knight]

Nightwing OYL is the only series, I'm really disappointed with . Before the ending of Crisis, The old Dick Grayson came back, and was ready to take Responsibility of his life. By following the moral example of Batman, Finally getting married to Babs etc ... Then OYL Dick becomes a jackass all over again.WTF WHY DID DC do this ?

[MaskedManJRK]

JLU does "rawk" actually. And their John is pretty much a better GL than any Lantern ever. Well.... maybe not Alan, but its close.

Yeah, he's tied between Alan and Kyle, in my opinion. :up:

[SpideyInATree]

Thank the lord above that happened, 'cause if I read that male model bit, I would have probably snapped into a homicidal rage.

You really take your comic book reading seriously. Now I can sometimes understand calling other grown men names because they don't write your fictional characters the way you enjoy them written...or drawn...but busting into a homicidal rage is just blasphemy! :eek: :O :)

But, seriously, it sounds like they should have just killed ol' Dicky boy in Infinite Crisis. :o

[MaskedManJRK]

You really take your comic book reading seriously. Now I can sometimes understand calling other grown men names because they don't write your fictional characters the way you enjoy them written...or drawn...but busting into a homicidal rage is just blasphemy! :eek: :O :)

But, seriously, it sounds like they should have just killed ol' Dicky boy in Infinite Crisis. :o

Homicidal rage is a slight hyperbole. At the most, I probably would have uttered, "What the f**k?"

I'm actually quite laid-back when it comes to this stuff. :)

[SpideyInATree]

Homicidal rage is a slight hyperbole. At the most, I probably would have uttered, "What the f**k?"

I'm actually quite laid-back when it comes to this stuff. :)

Well, you could have reacted like another poster did in the Spidey forums.

"I'd rather cut my genitals with razor blades and pour rubbing alcohol on it than read The Other"

The story is bad. But not THAT bad. I'd rather read the dumbest non-sensical comic book ever than do ANYTHING horrible to my genitals. :eek:

[MaskedManJRK]

Well, you could have reacted like another poster did in the Spidey forums.

"I'd rather cut my genitals with razor blades and pour rubbing alcohol on it than read The Other"

The story is bad. But not THAT bad. I'd rather read the dumbest non-sensical comic book ever than do ANYTHING horrible to my genitals. :eek:

Yeah, I could understand, say, beating the crap out of yourself, Fight Club style, but harming the step-children?! :eek:

[SpideyInATree]

People really take their Spider-Man comics seriously. :O

I said that I liked that Spider-Man is going to reveal his identity to the world and I was accused of being Satan.

Maybe I'll develop my red body and horns later on. :(

[TheCorpulent1]

That's only if you cop to the popular image of Satan. Maybe you'll grow two extra heads and a door to Purgatory in your ass like Satan had in The Divine Comedy instead.

[SpideyInATree]

Or maybe I'll morph into Al Pacino. He played Satan before.

[TheCorpulent1]

No, you wouldn't be that lucky. :o

[SpideyInATree]

You're right. I'm probably going to turn into the worst looking Satan ever. Oh well, at least I'm the lord of the underworld. And I can make peoples souls burn for all eternity.

[TheCorpulent1]

Odd that this thread swung right over to Satan. I've been watching the old TV series Brimstone lately. It's pretty good.

And no, you wouldn't get to turn into John Glover, either. :p

[LinternaVerde]

dick is amazing in outsiders, and how he faced superman with the green K.

i don't know what his own series is so bad!!!

[Darthphere]

Dick pissed me off with that ****, who do you think you are, Batman?

[Knives122]

Isn't he suppose to be one of Batman's "replacements"?

[Darthphere]

No.

[Doc Destruction]

People really take their Spider-Man comics seriously. :O

I said that I liked that Spider-Man is going to reveal his identity to the world and I was accused of being Satan.

Maybe I'll develop my red body and horns later on. :(

You have a serious martyr complex, dude. I think you enjoy liking things that suck to make yourself seem above it all.

And people speak on forums with flair and exagerration, which you then call people on as though they were speaking literally. Lame.

[LadyVader]

I know, but I'm still confused about why they felt they needed to change him this drastically. This is a complete 180 from what the character had evolved to be. Dick used to be the linchpin of the superhero community--he was Bat family heir, he was friends with Superman, he founded the Titans and led the JLA, everyone loved him. Now he's doing his best to stay off the radar, violate all of the basic superhero morals, and basically be a jerk to everyone he had connections to before. :confused:
I find it supremely ironic that Batman is trying to get nicer, and Nightwing is the one getting meaner. Bruce himself told Dick that he admired him because he was able to form connections with people, keep his friends despite his job. Why are they trying to change that. :(

[Knives122]

No.

Exactly, which means his ass shouldn't be doing it.....

[SpideyInATree]

You have a serious martyr complex, dude. I think you enjoy liking things that suck to make yourself seem above it all.

And people speak on forums with flair and exagerration, which you then call people on as though they were speaking literally. Lame.

I've explained myself many times on these boards of what I like and don't like. And I'm not acting like I'm above anything, its just the way I feel. And somebody DID call me Satan. Sheesh.

Flair and exaggeration? Personally insulting comic book creators because they didn't write your favorite fictional characters right? Flair and exaggeration? Sounds more like hate to me.

[Doc Destruction]

I was referring to the genital mutilation stuff.

[SpideyInATree]

I was referring to the genital mutilation stuff.

And if you noticed I was joking back around with shinlyle. Sheesh

[supes_el]

Dick is now the old Batman (pre-OYL) :(
I used to like Dick as....Dick

[sethcohen]

Dick is now the old Batman (pre-OYL) :(
I used to like Dick as....Dick

well i guess now dick is a... oh its too obvious i cant do it!

[warren_sparta27]

who and when do the new creative team take over?

[Darthphere]

who and when do the new creative team take over?


Not soon enough.

[sinewave]

it looks like jones is on it through august, at least. the artist, joe dodd, is done for now, though. at least that's one positive thing.

[Darthphere]

it looks like jones is on it through august, at least. the artist, joe dodd, is done for now, though. at least that's one positive thing.


Bruce Jones has like 8 DC titles. The things the man mustve done....

[warren_sparta27]

Not soon enough.

lol :)

[warren_sparta27]

it says in that Robert Teranishi is only doing guest art from #123 though...?

[sinewave]

it says in that Robert Teranishi is only doing guest art from #123 though...?

according to dc's website, #121-#123 are done by different artists. paco diaz is on #121 & #122 and #123 is by robert teranishi.

[danielisthor]

To answer an earlier question in the thread not answered. Dick is in NYC because Bludhaven is a nuclear/chemical wasteland and has been taken over by some Super team. (don't remember the name of said team - i am just getting into DC books.)

I haven't been to pleased with this direction the new creative team has taken. Up until OYL, this was the only DC book i read. I didn't read IC, so i really don't know what happened, i am not sure why Jason Todd is here (just that he's from another earth). But, that being said, i'll stick with it and hope a new team is brought in soon.

I thought it interesting that he backs down from Checkmate and yet threatens Supes. Thats not Grayson. Whatever happened in IC has really messed his head up. Is this my Nightwing or is this another Earth's Nightwing?

[SpideyInATree]

To answer an earlier question in the thread not answered. Dick is in NYC because Bludhaven is a nuclear/chemical wasteland and has been taken over by some Super team. (don't remember the name of said team - i am just getting into DC books.)

I haven't been to pleased with this direction the new creative team has taken. Up until OYL, this was the only DC book i read. I didn't read IC, so i really don't know what happened, i am not sure why Jason Todd is here (just that he's from another earth). But, that being said, i'll stick with it and hope a new team is brought in soon.

I thought it interesting that he backs down from Checkmate and yet threatens Supes. Thats not Grayson. Whatever happened in IC has really messed his head up. Is this my Nightwing or is this another Earth's Nightwing?

This Jason Todd is from another earth? :confused:

I thought that it was the real Jason Todd. You know, the one who ressurrected because Superboy Prime was beating on the "timeline".

And I was reading that Nightwing was supposed to die in Infinite Crisis but they decided against it and really had no direction to go with the character. Apparently after Jones leaves the book we'll find out exactly what's been up with Nightwing and what the hell is up with Jason Todd, etc.

[Anubis]

Yeah, Todd's not from another earth, he's just from a timeline where he didn't die in the explosion because of SBP's rupturing of the walls of reality from his "paradise" prison that he and E2 Supes, E2 Lois, and Alex Luthor were stuck in since the original Crisis.

[SpideyInATree]

Yeah, Todd's not from another earth, he's just from a timeline where he didn't die in the explosion because of SBP's rupturing of the walls of reality from his "paradise" prison that he and E2 Supes, E2 Lois, and Alex Luthor were stuck in since the original Crisis.

Yeah, that's what I figured. Because at the end of the Red Hood arc we were under the impression that Todd died again, thus making me think it might be Todd from another earth...but I doubt it now. It'll just be interesting to see how Todd didn't die at the end of that arc. I thought he was dead. Heh.

[warren_sparta27]

no Jason isn't from an different universe or earth or what ever, i thought Batman Annaul 25 made that pretty clear. Superboy Prime bashing on walls resurrected the real Earth 1 Jason Todd from the dead. not earth prime jason, or earth 1337 Jason, earth 1.

i'am also pretty sure that this is our Nightwing yeah.

[danielisthor]

no Jason isn't from an different universe or earth or what ever, i thought Batman Annaul 25 made that pretty clear. Superboy Prime bashing on walls resurrected the real Earth 1 Jason Todd from the dead. not earth prime jason, or earth 1337 Jason, earth 1.

i'am also pretty sure that this is our Nightwing yeah.


Well, like i said, up until OYL, Nightwing was the only DC i read, so i was not sure of the whole Jason Todd issue. But thanks for clearing it up for me.

[sethcohen]

ya know, id preffer it were a Jason Todd from like Earth 2 or some other Earth that mirrored our own with slight differances... its much better then SB-P punching the walls of reality...

[TheCorpulent1]

The reason for anything bleeding from one Earth into another is Superboy Prime's punching the walls of reality, though.

[supes_el]

well i will say this much...this issue was better than the last...at least a story is forming...albeit a weak one...the chick is a hottie though

[Darthphere]

This comic really sucks, bad. Im not dropping it hoping that the team taking over is much better.

[sethcohen]

The reason for anything bleeding from one Earth into another is Superboy Prime's punching the walls of reality, though.

or from alex separating the merged earth again followed by them collapsing back together with subtle differances...

[sinewave]

man, this artist has the potential to be pretty good, but he's so inconsistent. this issue was better than the others in this arc. not by much, though.

[SpideyInATree]

Wow, is this arc terrible. I know that this is horrible because it's making me miss Devin Grayson. Holy crap.

When did Jason Todd suddenly become a scared little punk? :confused:

This same bad ass Jason Todd who was the Red Hood recently? Who was practically OWNING Batman? He's practically crying like a pansy? WHAT?

I'll stick with it, under the notion that a new creative team is coming on and I want to see what they've got. If the rumor of Geoff Johns is true then I'm sold...but this book is in definite danger of dropage. :O

[kiuju2k]

This ones ben off my list... looks like i missed out on something.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Yeah, this last issue blew. Too many Nightwings.

[sethcohen]

i had an awesome dream last nite... nightwing didnt suck... and john romita jr did the art... sigh

[sinewave]

Wow, is this arc terrible. I know that this is horrible because it's making me miss Devin Grayson. Holy crap.

When did Jason Todd suddenly become a scared little punk? :confused:

This same bad ass Jason Todd who was the Red Hood recently? Who was practically OWNING Batman? He's practically crying like a pansy? WHAT?

I'll stick with it, under the notion that a new creative team is coming on and I want to see what they've got. If the rumor of Geoff Johns is true then I'm sold...but this book is in definite danger of dropage. :O

where'd you hear a rumor about johns? that'd be great, but i haven't heard anything about it.

[sinewave]

i had an awesome dream last nite... nightwing didnt suck... and john romita jr did the art... sigh

yeah, romita would be pretty good on this book. i'd still like someone with a realistic style to draw nightwing, though. someone like bermejo.

[Darthphere]

where'd you hear a rumor about johns? that'd be great, but i haven't heard anything about it.


Whats CHuck Dixon writing, bringing him back on Nightwing.

[sethcohen]

Whats CHuck Dixon writing, bringing him back on Nightwing.
word... word...

[sinewave]

Whats CHuck Dixon writing, bringing him back on Nightwing.

i have no idea what dixon's doing, but i'd love to have him back on nightwing.

[Darthphere]

I think hes doing that commercial, I mena comic Rush City.

[sinewave]

I think hes doing that commercial, I mena comic Rush City.

seriously? yeah, you're right, all that comic is is a commercial for pontiac cars. it's like they're marketing it to gearhead kids that love crap like the fast and the furious. lame. :down

[sethcohen]

i dont see the sales of the book doing well... even with his name behind it...

[Darthphere]

seriously? yeah, you're right, all that comic is is a commercial for pontiac cars. it's like they're marketing it to gearhead kids that love crap like the fast and the furious. lame. :down


I feel like checking it out but probably wont. I think it will actually be pretty good like a Hitman lite.

[sinewave]

I feel like checking it out but probably wont. I think it will actually be pretty good like a Hitman lite.

yeah, it's possible, but it just reeks of focus group marketing.

[Till_the_End]

My God, another terrible issue.
I just read the Under the Hood vol.2 TPB. Jason is so cool there, it was great.
I seriously don't understand how this arc can be so bad. It's unbelievable.
I think the art is fine and the writing handwork is okay, but the story.......

[trustyside-kick]

My God, another terrible issue.
I just read the Under the Hood vol.2 TPB. Jason is so cool there, it was great. I seriously don't understand how this arc can be so bad. It's unbelievable.
I think the art is fine and the writing handwork is okay, but the story.......

I seriously loved everything from Under the Hood to OYL and now I am gonna read Nightwing OYL hoping that some people here are just exaggerating because I really loved Jason previous to Batman OYL.

[Darthphere]

I so want to drop this book but im still holding out for the announcement of the new creative team.

[DGrayson]

Hi can anyone post pictures on this thread since its the official nightwing thread or tell me what have been nightwing's hairstyles sicne he was robin back then?, I heard the had a pigtail, mullet, etc. But I want to know more specific, thanks in advance.

[sinewave]

I so want to drop this book but im still holding out for the announcement of the new creative team.

Ditto. I think Bruce Jones is doing at least one more arc, but hopefully that's it.

[Nightwing92]

Yes there's a nightwing thread...... thank you lord..... anyways... ya same here Bruce Jones has to do one more arc it'll fit all the pieces to the puzzle....

[Darthphere]

Must be a really crappy puzzle.

[Gogo Bananas]

I think this is a new low for Nightwing - even worse than Devin Greyson.
I'm really thinking it's time to send DC a message and drop the book.

[Darthphere]

I think this is a new low for Nightwing - even worse than Devin Greyson.
I'm really thinking it's time to send DC a message and drop the book.


I would, but theyre holding this new creative team over our heads.

[sinewave]

I would, but theyre holding this new creative team over our heads.

what have you heard on it?

[Darthphere]

what have you heard on it?


Absolutely nothing, I thought id read that Jones was off after #125 but who knows. Im hopinh for a big name like Rucka or something.

[Gogo Bananas]

I would, but theyre holding this new creative team over our heads.

There's ALWAYS a new creative team coming.
Chuck Dixon needs to come back. And McDaniels...

[sinewave]

Absolutely nothing, I thought id read that Jones was off after #125 but who knows. Im hopinh for a big name like Rucka or something.

yeah, rucka or brubaker should take over after jones. i haven't heard anything about transitioning to a new creative team. i wonder if dc is aware of fan reaction to this book since jones took over?

[Darthphere]

yeah, rucka or brubaker should take over after jones. i haven't heard anything about transitioning to a new creative team. i wonder if dc is aware of fan reaction to this book since jones took over?


Mna, I dont even remember where I read that a new creative team was coming, maybe it was posted in this thread. But yeah brubaker aint happening, Marvel exclusive, unless hes under contract by DC to write something which i doubt. I would take Winnick at this point if anything.

[Nightwing92]

ya ed brubaker is gonna extend his exclusive contract till 2008 or 2009.....

[sinewave]

Mna, I dont even remember where I read that a new creative team was coming, maybe it was posted in this thread. But yeah brubaker aint happening, Marvel exclusive, unless hes under contract by DC to write something which i doubt. I would take Winnick at this point if anything.

ya ed brubaker is gonna extend his exclusive contract till 2008 or 2009.....

seriously? that really sucks. i'm totally digging brubaker's run on daredevil right now, but i'd give almost anything to have him back with dc. :(

[Darthphere]

Brubaker on Nightwing would be so awesome, but id bet he'd pretty much write it like hes doing with Daredeivl, with some Sleeper noir elements which would be awesome IMO.

[sinewave]

Brubaker on Nightwing would be so awesome, but id bet he'd pretty much write it like hes doing with Daredeivl, with some Sleeper noir elements which would be awesome IMO.

true dat. did you read his book "sleeper"? that was pretty killer. i'd shave my ass hair and wear it as a lip-tupee if it would get him to write nightwing or robin right now.

[Darthphere]

true dat. did you read his book "sleeper"? that was pretty killer. i'd shave my ass hair and wear it as a lip-tupee if it would get him to write nightwing or robin right now.


Yeah I have Sleepr in trades, cant wait for Criminal.

[sinewave]

Yeah I have Sleepr in trades, cant wait for Criminal.

haven't heard of it. i'll have to look that up.

[Darthphere]

haven't heard of it. i'll have to look that up.


There was a thread on it in Marvel comics.

[sinewave]

There was a thread on it in Marvel comics.

sweet! i just read the 5-page trailer and interview with brubaker. god, i'm jazzed for that book! if you like that kind of crim noir with maybe a little bit of the supernatural mixed in you should check out "fell" by warren ellis and ben templesmith. that's one hell of a book. creepy and gritty, just like i likes 'em.

[Darthphere]

I already pick up Fell. :D

[sinewave]

I already pick up Fell. :D

good man! :up: :D

[Darthphere]

I also picked up Casanova, and by picked up I mean its in my box.

[Nightwing92]

seriously? that really sucks. i'm totally digging brubaker's run on daredevil right now, but i'd give almost anything to have him back with dc. :(

i thought brubaker stopped doing daredevil and brian BENDIS! took over.... right?

[Darthphere]

i thought brubaker stopped doing daredevil and brian BENDIS! took over.... right?


Other way around.

[Nightwing92]

oh sorry.....anyways.... brubaker is gonna be busy for the next couple of years working on all this x-men crap........

[trustyside-kick]

Well, just read some of Nightwing OYL...greatly dissapointed.

Jason was so great from Under the Hood to right before OYL started and now in Nightwing OYL they do all that crap...

:(

:mad:

:down

[SpideyInATree]

I agree with you. Jason Todd went from brutal bad ass to a quivering wuss. Unless in that one year Jason was taking wussy pills or something.

[Nightwing]

When questioned about the future creative team of Nightwing, DiDio’s only reply was, “Marv Wolfman, #125.”

From Wizard Entertainment's coverage of Heroes Con: DC Nation Panel. (http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/000764634.cfm)

[Darthphere]

Interesting, but really doesnt make me not want to drop the book.

[Harlekin]

Wolfman... Nightwing...

:eek:

Party in my pants and everybody is invited!

Well, everyone with a vagina that is.

[Darthphere]

No thanks.

[Harlekin]

No thanks.
You have a vagina!? :eek:

[Darthphere]

No.

[Harlekin]

Then read my post more carefully next time. ;)

[Darthphere]

Party in my pants and EVERYBODY is invited.

[TheCorpulent1]

Wolfman and Jurgens' run will be my return to Nightwing. BUT:

Will readers see more of the Dick Grayson and Barbara Gordon relationship? Didio: “Not if I can help it, and guess what – I can.”

From http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75593

I love to see editors' vendettas against plotlines result in disjointed storytelling. :o

[Darthphere]

I dont get that quote. I wish these people could answer yes or no questions with a yes or no answer.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm pretty sure it's a "no." Although I read it more as a "**** you, fans of cohesive storytelling where plot threads are actually addressed rather than ignored."

[Nightwing92]

i know..... me too....

[Darthphere]

Yeah, Dan isnt a fan of Nightwing and hes pretty vocal about that but he forgets that hes not the one that buys the books.

[Green Lantern]

Wolfman... = my all time favorite writer...
Jurgens = one of my all time favorite artists...

Can you say geekgasm? :D

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, Dan isnt a fan of Nightwing and hes pretty vocal about that but he forgets that hes not the one that buys the books.
They should've just killed Nightwing off in the Crisis like they planned. It would've been better all around, I'd say.

[yenaled]

I wonder why this thing with Babs was green lit in the first place when it is clear that no-one seems to want to deal with it.

He should have died in the crisis. Just asked his long term lover to marry him, then dies - adding something else to Babs then. Would have cemented Tim as Batman's son/heir/ward and succesor and given Batman the death that his history kind of does't have anymore (considering Jason). I think Connor and Dick both dying would have been a good move.

Wolfman and Jurgens are good news though.

[TheCorpulent1]

Lack of foresight on the editors' parts is my guess.

[Harlekin]

Party in my pants and EVERYBODY is invited.
Wolfman... Nightwing...

:eek:

Party in my pants and everybody is invited!

Well, everyone with a vagina that is.
I figured you'd be one of the first to see the whited text.

[Darthphere]

I figured you'd be one of the first to see the whited text.


I dont bother highlighting stuff.

[Harlekin]

You would've seen it if you had quoted. Alas, the joke is no longer funny (not even to me), so let's get back to discussing Nightwing!

[Darthphere]

You would've seen it if you had quoted. Alas, the joke is no longer funny (not even to me), so let's get back to discussing Nightwing!


Yeah, it sucks, continue.

[SpideyInATree]

Wolfman and Jurgens on Nightwing? Interesting. Well, I'm officially sticking with this book now. Though it's going to be hard to actually buy the rest of this current arc.

[GoldenAgeHero]

I'll be honest, i felt that devin just shoved that engagement in there. the whole thing felt really rushed.

[TheCorpulent1]

I thought it made perfect sense. It was a nice cap-off to Dick's retaking control of his own life, which is basically the message Devin Grayson ended her run with.

[Anubis]

Wow, Wolfman and Jergens. Should be freakin sweet.

[Joker]

what do I like about this arc...I like Jason Todd having gone totally bat s**t crazy and trying to take over Dick's life...yeah, that's about all...they were going to kill Dick in crisis though? they should have, and just had Todd take over as the crazy punisher-wing thing he's doing right now...

[trustyside-kick]

what do I like about this arc...I like Jason Todd having gone totally bat s**t crazy and trying to take over Dick's life...yeah, that's about all...they were going to kill Dick in crisis though? they should have, and just had Todd take over as the crazy punisher-wing thing he's doing right now...

The idea of him doing that is okay but there are problems with how they are doing it. In Under the Hood when Jason was causing havoc in Gotham he was much more professional about it. He should not be pretending to be Nightwing to ruin his name and piss Dick off like they say in the current arc (or team-up or w/e the hell they said which is crap). He should be doing it because he should believe that Dick is unfit for the mantle/job; now that would be a whole lot better.